Stand Back

by Lowetide

On the day he was hired (before the media avail), I pegged Ken Holland’s ‘needs list’ at two wingers, a RH center, a backup goalie, a RH defenseman who could move the puck, and cap room. I think that list is still relevant one month later, but the order may have shuffled. We’re about to see the great architect get to work. Stand back.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

MILAN LUCIC

You may recall we’re going over last year’s bottom-six forwards and giving thumb’s up or down. I’ve voted to keep Jujhar Khaira and Sam Gagner so far, Milan Lucic is our third man theme.

We are looking for players who can: PK, score at 5-on-5, play more than one position, forecheck, win battles and play with an edge.

Milan Lucic can win battles, play with an edge, and his 5-on-5 possession number is strong, even without Connor McDavid (and that’s rare). In ’17-18, he posted a 5-on-5 per 60 number that put him as a third-line performer. Everything else is strictly fourth line.

He does not PK, he no longer scores at 5-on-5, and he’s late to the forecheck. ML has been one of my favourites for more than a decade, but it’s time for him to sail on. I would not give up a monster asset (No. 8 overall) to dump his contract. There are trade winds surrounding him, perhaps the deal goes down after July 1 and the bonus payment.

HOLLAND’S TO-DO LIST

When Ken Holland first arrived, I suggested his to-do summer list looked like this:

*Two scoring wingers
*Cap room
*No. 3 RH center
*Top 4 RHD who can move the puck
*Backup goalie

After hearing him talk, and reviewing his plan of action (he wants to both make the playoffs and build the system), I believe the priority list is the same but the order has to be shuffled.

1 Goalie. If the Oilers are going to make the 2020 playoffs, and that’s a distant bell, a goalie is going to steal some games. I’ve suggested Brian Elliott, perhaps there’s another option. Either way, goalie is the priority.

2 Two scoring wingers. I do believe Holland will spend (money and assets to bring in some quality scorers. It might be a one and one, as in Brett Connolly via free agency and Connor Brown via trade, but there will be changes.

3 RH center. I think we’ll see a PK option who can skate and win faceoffs acquired over the summer. Maybe it’s someone Holland knows, like Luke Glendening.

4 Cap room. Most of the heavy work may have to wait a year.

5 Top 4 RHD who can move the puck. I can see a scenario where Holland and Tippett look at the internal options and decide a solution is on the roster, but 12 months away. Evan Bouchard might own that job by December 2020.

NHL.COM MOCKS

NHL.com always does an excellent job with their mocks, three individual mocks in this case. The Oilers options are fascinating, especially Philip Broberg. Why is it interesting? No one mentioned him as an Oilers option until after Ken Holland arrived. Maybe we get a surprise.

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Bobcaygeon

Been away for sometime but happy to be back.

I think the Oilers need to be a little more aggressive than Elliot.

I wonder if Holland might be more interested in Semyon Varlamov or Jake Allen.

“The only job worse than goalie is a javelin catcher at a track- and- field meet.”

rickithebear

I have been away for pretty much a year +.
Has their been any discussion of trying JP at C.
His speed and distribution might be best suited at C.

That is a video based non math observation.

rickithebear

Russell an elite 0% corsi Dman.
Suffers the most from rovers failing to restablish 2-1 structure that Conf final teams maintain.
He had the best 3d situation comp numbers with Larsson.
Minimal break down of 2-1 structure.

Enough Old boys thinking!

We no longer have the top 125 forward depth needed to outscore the repetative 2-1 Defensive (HD) zone break down caused by Nurse and Klefbom.

Klefbom & Nurse generate pathetic opp def (HD) zone penetration on their 2-1 abandoning rovering.

OriginalPouzar

I like the Ennis though – a nice cheap bet to provide a value contract and top 6 production – I throw Pirri in there as well.

I worry about the Connolly signing if the term is too long.

He’s gone one season over 27 points.

He’s likely a good bet for 15 goals but who knows if he’s more than a 30 point guy.

Is he Alex Chiasson X 2?

Pescador

Jaxon: Broberg might be a player that helps as well as he might be the 2nd best D and therefore some time might pick him in the top 7 if they miss out on Byram.

I’m basing my board on BPA, which every team professes to select.
I have Broberg as a bit of a reach pick if selected in the top 7.
More likely selected 11-15 is my guess

Jaxon

Pescador: After studying each prospect realistically available between 5-15, my estimation is that these players will be available to the Oilers at #8:
Boldy
Caufield
Krebs
Podkolzin
Newhook
Kaliyev
Broberg
Lavoie
My personal preference would be for the Oilers to trade down about 4-5 spots & collect an NHL winger or an additional draft pick to then trade for an NHL winger or 3C as part of a package
Then I would draft Lavoie or Kaliyev

Broberg might be a player that helps as well as he might be the 2nd best D and therefore some time might pick him in the top 7 if they miss out on Byram.

Pescador

Jaxon:
These are the players I’m hoping squeak into the top 7 picks from 3 to 7. How many of these 5 players do you think might get picked from 3 to 7? Listed with highest rank of 18 rankings and lowest.
Player–High–Low
Dach–3–15
Podkolzin-3–17
Zegras–4–21
Krebs–5–17
Boldy–6–17
I think there is a decent chance at least two of these players gets picked higher than 8th, maybe more. All we need is 3 to get picked and Edmonton could have one of Cozens, Byram, Turcotte, Kaliyev or Caufield. The problem is that Edmonton, too, might pick one of Dach, Podkolzin, Zegras, Krebs or Boldy.

These players are very unlikely to get picked higher than 8th but stranger things have happened. In fact, stranger things happen almost every year.
Player–High–Low

Broberg–5–33
Newhook–7–27
Suzuki–8–28
York –9–22
Harley–10–35
Heinola–12–41

The more of these players that get in the better the chance that Edmonton will be choosing from:
Cozens–3–9
Byram–3–10
Turcotte–3–11
Kaliyev–3–17
Caufield–5–30

It won’t but IF the draft unfolded:
Kakko
Hughes
Dach
Podkolzin
Zegras
Krebs
Boldy

Who would you pick at #8?

Stranger things, my friends… stranger things.

After studying each prospect realistically available between 5-15, my estimation is that these players will be available to the Oilers at #8:
Boldy
Caufield
Krebs
Podkolzin
Newhook
Kaliyev
Broberg
Lavoie
My personal preference would be for the Oilers to trade down about 4-5 spots & collect an NHL winger or an additional draft pick to then trade for an NHL winger or 3C as part of a package
Then I would draft Lavoie or Kaliyev

Jaxon

These are the players I’m hoping squeak into the top 7 picks from 3 to 7. How many of these 5 players do you think might get picked from 3 to 7? Listed with highest rank of 18 rankings and lowest.
Player – High – Low
Dach – 3 – 15
Podkolzin- 3 – 17
Zegras – 4 – 21
Krebs – 5 – 17
Boldy – 6 – 17
I think there is a decent chance at least two of these players gets picked higher than 8th, maybe more. All we need is 3 to get picked and Edmonton could have one of Cozens, Byram, Turcotte, Kaliyev or Caufield. The problem is that Edmonton, too, might pick one of Dach, Podkolzin, Zegras, Krebs or Boldy.

These players are very unlikely to get picked higher than 8th but stranger things have happened. In fact, stranger things happen almost every year.
Player – High – Low
Broberg – 5 – 33
Newhook – 7 – 27
Suzuki – 8 – 28
York – 9 – 22
Harley – 10 – 35
Seider – 11 – 35
Heinola – 12 – 41
One of Broberg, York, Harley, Seider, or Heinola might sneek in as the 2nd D in the draft if a team misses out on Byram. I know Seider really impressed at the U18s and the combine, so his stock may be rising. Maybe Edmonton will be considering him. Might be a great teammate for Draisaitl.

The more of these players that get in the better the chance that Edmonton will be choosing from:
Cozens – 3 – 9
Byram – 3 – 10
Turcotte – 3 – 11
Kaliyev – 3 – 17
Caufield – 5 – 30

It won’t, but IF the draft unfolded:
Kakko
Hughes
Dach
Podkolzin
Zegras
Krebs
Boldy
Who would you pick at #8?

Stranger things, my friends… stranger things.

Best case for Edmonton as there is a slim to nil chance that Cozens, Turcotte and Byram don’t go in the top 7?
Kakko
Hughes
Turcotte
Byram
Cozens
Dach
Zegras
Krebs
As I think Dach, Krebs and Zegras would be the most tempting for Edmonton and thus lessen the chances of picking the goal scoring machines Kaliyev or Caufield.

Who would they pick from
Kaliyev (scored at pace with greats like Tavares (9.25 months older), Stamkos (4.5 months older), Skinner (1.25 months older) and Debrincat (6.25 months older)
Caufield (best goal/gp scorer in the history of the USNTDP with 72G in 64GP. Next best is Kessel with 41G in 41 GP)
Podkolzin (too many unknowns?)
Boldy (the least wanted of the top 5 USNTDP players)

I think a pure goal scorer is what Edmonton needs most, so I hope Caufield and Kaliyev are their best options at #8. Although, Draisaitl as proven to be one of the best goal scorers in the NHL, he is still a great setup man. McDavid can do anything. Nuge is okay but still not considered a sniper. The upcoming crop is largely setup guys like Benson, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi (debatable). Maksimov has shown promise at the junior level but we still don’t know how much of that will come with him. Putting Kaliyev or Caufield on McDavid’s or Draisaitl’s wing in the future might unlock some crazy production and divide up the scoring between the top two lines a bit more. Fingers crossed.

slopitch

Would never happen but…

Trade Nuge to Colorado for 4 and 16
Draft Bryam, Couzens and Seider
Offer sheet Marner

Oilers have 3 years of elc on Bouchard and the 3 2019 1sts which arent expansion eligible. They would need to move Sekera out for wingers but lordy would that team be ready to win in time for the lockout 😉

OriginalPouzar

Glovjuice: Sample size of one game.

Don’t you base your entire position on Samorukov on one play he made earlier in the year?

Ryan

leadfarmer:
Ryan,

More like whoever we draft 8ov or Bouchard + Yamamoto + Bear

My estimate could be a little light, but conversely I think yours is a little rich.

Bouchard alone would be too much for one year of Hall.

One year of Hall only really has any value to a team that thinks it can contend for the cup next year. These teams are who you’re bidding against and it’s unlikely any have high end prospects drafted in the top ten to offer.

San Jose already went all in on Karlsson. Columbus did their thing. Unlikely Toronto or the Bolts have the cap space. Who knows Doug Armstrong always finds a way.

The Habs foolishly traded Sergachev for Drouin who himself was an RFA iirc.

I’ll be amazed if the Hall trade nets the Devils more than a 1st and second rounder, decent prospect drafted in the first and a couple okay roster players.

Look at the Ryan O’Reilly trade and he had four years left on the contract and the Blues picked up the cost of his Bonus.

– 1st rounder 2019 – obviously not a great pick now.

– 2nd rounder 2021

– Tage Thompson. 26 ov pick 2016.

– Sobotka and Bergland. Two garbage roster players.

Ryan

Glovjuice: Sample size of one game.

The Devils are a fast team and everything was clicking that night.

They really did look all-world against the Oilers that game.

Contrary to our expectations, that game did not portend how good the Devils were but rather how terrible the Oilers were.

YKOil

I do like all of the little moves Holland has been taking. Small signings to be sure, but indicative of smart thinking.

Glovjuice

Kinger_Oil.redux: -?No one actually conflates war with NHL playoffs. . It’s afigure of speech very commonly used. They didn’t actually go to war.It would be silly to think they did or take offense to commonly used vernacular.

Re-read your full post and you will see the irony.

Bag of Pucks

Munny: That ungordly shift during the 2nd.. which results in a penalty and then a shortie against and the Blues don’t crumble but battle hard.

True dat. A lesser team would’ve caved after that shortie.

Two great teams with neither giving an inch.

We’ll see who blinks first.

Glovjuice

Jordan:
Gregor insinuating that Hall would be more willing / interested in coming back with the new management team in place.

Also that there may interested in re-acquiring the player (may just be hearsay).

You know who might be great wingers for RNH… Taylor and Jordan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k

I predict Hall will come back at a discount. Save this post. He was devastated not to win here. $50 large vs. $100. What’s the difference really.

Munny

Bag of Pucks:
That was a fantastic hockey game. Physical. Intense. Dramatic. Gutty.

Best of 3 and Bruins defense getting wore down. The Playoffs are a battle of attrition.

Go Blues!!!

That ungordly shift during the 2nd.. which results in a penalty and then a shortie against and the Blues don’t crumble but battle harder.

Rask has been insane. But Binnington pops that big juicy rebound to give his team a break the other way and it totally blows up in his face… but then he shuts the door with the pressure on and a bad outing at home last game, What a rook!

Glovjuice

OriginalPouzar: After opening night in Gothenburg, I thought they were on the verge of becoming one of the league’s elite teams.

Sample size of one game.

rickithebear

Munny,

The dman in 1-1 does not get a negative. It goes to the rover who caused the 2-1 not to be established.
Even if they go off the ice and another dman replaces him but is unable to restore a 2-1 in HD area.

The High danger area is the true D zone.
Perimeter is part of NZ.
True NZ is HD area to HD area.

Blue line is Zone entry line.
Entry is most reduced by Forward NZ trap.
A situation measure based on teammates.
A 3D ZS, Team, Comp

A little insight to how a proper multidimensional map is created.

Rovers generate offence @ a 4th line forward rate.
3 times worse than the top 6 forwards.

Most rovers do not even penetrate the opps real DZ the HD area.

Enough of this outdated thinking!

Bag of Pucks

Lowetide: It’ll be harder to get that matchup in Boston, but the Bruins top-six forwards are becoming a story in this series.

You betcha. And special teams.

Have to stay out of the box against the Bs.

Bag of Pucks

Munny: Biggest in franchise history.

Until the next one ?

Bag of Pucks

Berube goes with the old fashioned checking line to shut down the Bergeron line. Worked beautifully.

Good call Coach!

Bag of Pucks

That was a fantastic hockey game. Physical. Intense. Dramatic. Gutty.

Best of 3 and Bruins defense getting wore down. The Playoffs are a battle of attrition.

Go Blues!!!

Munny

Rights to Kevin Hayes acquired by the Flyers for a 5th.

Munny

Lowetide:
Big, big win for the Blues.

Biggest in franchise history.

defmn

Lowetide:
Big, big win for the Blues.

Heavy on the ‘big’. 😉

Munny

Huge goal. ROR has been the best player on the ice tonight.

Munny

rickithebear: Suspect Larsson ends up +40 for the season.

I have great difficulty believing Larsson “roved” 40 times last season. And pretty much no belief that 40 would be his “differential”.

rickithebear

Went thru half a season of Nurses shifts around goals.

Assigned a negative to rover who abandon 3-2-1 for a 4-1-1 and the rover fails to re – establish a 2-1 coverage of HD area resulting in a goal.

Nurse was – 28 thru that half season.

-28 cause that god awful rover could not re establish 2-1.

Quit all this dithering about how great rovers are when they are GA nightmares.

Do not want to waste my time on a Klefbom.

A Rover nightmare of epic proportion!

Suspect Larsson ends up +40 for the season.

Woodguy v2.0

Ryan: Well, when a team like San Jose trades for Karlsson, the risk of him walking away is mitigated by their ability to take a run for a cup during the last year of his contract.

On that note, you and I had some sort of bet about Karlsson of which I forgot the parameters.It was a $100 donation to the charity of winner’s choice. I will if he signs in San Jose and you win if ??? I couldn’t have possibly given you 30/31 odds on that bet, did I?

Also San Jose has depth throughout the organization along with the ability to attract decent filler free agents at reasonable prices…

If we go all in on Hall, we’re not in a position to take a cup run next year.

The big question is what does full value on the trade look like?

A first and second round pick for 2020, Yamomoto, Kassian and Lagesson?

I don’t trade for Hall unless he signs an extension.

I took TBY, but you may have given me all 30

Todd Macallan

Was hoping for Dylan Cozens to say Yukon Gold when asked about pre game meal. Both the potatoes and the beer.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Glovjuice: This is a good post till the silly war part.

-? No one actually conflates war with NHL playoffs. . It’s a figure of speech very commonly used. They didn’t actually go to war. It would be silly to think they did or take offense to commonly used vernacular.

Munny

Rube Foster,

I think you would have difficulty finding a team willing to give up a 2nd to move up a few spots.

Munny

Cherry: “Ask them what they eat….”

Was said to hear pasta and rice repped in every answer.

Rube Foster

ArmchairGM: Who has 2 picks in the 10-20 range?

No team has two picks in the 10 – 20 range, hence the witchcraft comment:)

It’s an exercise in hypothetical gymnastics, lets say we trade down from 8th spot to the 10 – 15 range for a a swap of first rounds picks and a second round pick.

Could we then turn two second round picks and an asset into another first round pick in the 15 – 20 range?

Its a speculative and hypothetical question, but might Kaliyev and Lavoie be worth more than Krebs and the 38th and a fourth?

… the ridiculous things we Oiler fans contemplate while other NHL teams fan’s focus on the Stanley Cup playoffs:)

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
OriginalPouzar,

I would definitely have to gauge the interest in re-signing with my team if I acquired him but if it seemed like he would be interested I would most definitely do it and pay the acquisition cost.These guys don’t grow on trees.
These are the players you want to spend the cap on.Jeff Skinner will get 9 mil a year and while elite at putting pucks in net he’s isn’t in any other facet and would not spend money on him
Spend your cap on elite players and surround them with guys on shortest contracts possible
Hall can drive a line by himself.These are the only players worth acquiring for their late 20 early to mid 30 years because you are not able to get these players any other way

I’m going to disagree completely – these are the type of contracts teams should be staying away from – retirement contracts – paying massive money for the better part of a decade for the player’s decline.

I don’t want the players at that age, not for the contracts required.

Also, yes, these players do get traded at or before their primes – Hall, Seguin (2nd time), Panarin, Jumbo Joe, etc.

ArmchairGM

Rube Foster:
Question for those with bigger brains than I.

Assuming that Dach & Cozens are off the board at 8th hole, is there some kind of combination of calculus and witchcraft in which the Oilers trade the 8th, 38th and an asset for two picks in the 10 to 20 range?

Who has 2 picks in the 10-20 range?

OriginalPouzar

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Maybe Ken already has his backup in mind!

Essentially zero chance of that I would think – Holland has been very clear one of his top priorities is an established 1B tender.

Good for Shane – he earned that contract.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: OP will be pleased!

I’ve got zero issue with them re-signing Malone and have expressed that opinion throughout this off-season.

He is a fantastic player at the AHL level and a big part of the success of the Condors (and their success is important). His game does not translate to the NHL level, however, I don’t imagine he plays an NHL game next year for the Oilers.

Rube Foster

Question for those with bigger brains than I.

Assuming that Dach & Cozens are off the board at 8th hole, is there some kind of combination of calculus and witchcraft in which the Oilers trade the 8th, 38th and an asset for two picks in the 10 to 20 range?

ArmchairGM

Bag of Pucks:
Taylor Hall has gone on record saying he’s already made his money and his next contract will be about which team gives him the best chance to win the Cup.

Doubt that’s Edmonton over the next year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/230154

Jaxon

McSorley33:
Jaxon,

You may be right. A little while ago I was posting about Turcotte, wondering why he wasn’t being considered for #1 or #2. His complete game, his speed, his tenacity, and his production are pretty special and he’s been overshadowed by Hughes who didn’t score anywhere close to his rate. His TOI was the only thing that concerned me.
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I will tell you what….Chicago took 2 D with their first 2 draft picks last year.
( Boqvist & Beaudin)

They did the same in 2017. ( Jokiharju & Mitchell)

Now,if they add Turcotte we could be looking at a fairly smooth‘re-tooling’ in the
windy city.

Turcotte , Strome at C and RHD of Boqvist and Jokiharju…..

Not to mention Turcotte is local and models his game after Toews and is going the same route. Toews was also drafted 3rd. I think Chicago will have a tough time passing on Turcotte.

ArmchairGM

Ryan: I really like Hall and find that he’s a fairly cerebral player in terms of analytics and comparing the NHL / contract structures across different sporting leagues. I could see him having a role in hockey after he retires.

I’d also really like to have Hall back.

However, I can’t see how it would be feasible to pay the full acquisition cost with the inherent risk that he doesn’t extend the contract.

Even if he does, pairing the extension price with the acquisition cost seems counterproductive towards our goals as improving as a franchise.

Using the Karlsson trade as an outer marker of a template, they traded a 1st, 2nd rounder along with a few prospects [former 1st (Josh Norris) and 5th (Rudolf Balcers] along with Chris Tierney and Dillan Demello.

Now the price for Hall would be less than Karlsson, but you would still be looking at what a 1st, probably second, and a few good prospects???

We don’t have the cap space, prospect depth, or pipeline of players to pull off this trade. (nor the ability to sign cheap effect free agents)

We do have the cap space, but not the other items necessary. I favour signing him as a UFA for that reason. If he doesn’t become available then I would consider Dadonov and Kreider, but not long term as I would with Hall.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/230154

thehop

Material Elvis,

The dreaded Hockeybuzz Eklund referemce!

Thank you for the nostalgic walk down horseshit lane good sir.

Glovjuice

Jaxon:
If any of these guys are available, this is the order I’d take them in:

Cozens
Byram
Caufield
Turcotte
Kaliyev

Newhook and Podkolzin are the mysteries for me. Not enough data on those leagues and they have the opposite problems (competition too hard vs competition too easy). Outside of Hughes, Caufield, and Turcotte, I don’t think I’d take a USNTDP player. I even have my doubts that those three are as good as their numbers suggest and Hughes’ Adjusted 5v5 P1/60 numbers don’t suggest all that great a player. Turcotte’s TOI worries me, but his production is 3rd best in the past 15 years going back to Crosby. Caufield’s production and TOI numbers have him as the only one on the team who meets both thresholds of a fairly certain top 6 player in my opinion, but his size may be an issue. I like how Turcotte plays, though, I think Chicago will have a hard time passing him up. I’m even tempted to puch Kaliyev up ahead of Turcotte and Caufield.

USNTDP would be akin to Cozens, Dach, Krebs, Byram, Tomasino, Lavoie, Pelletier, Newhook, Harley, Suzuki, Thomson, Legare, Beaucage, Poulin, Foote, McMichael, Jamieson, M Robertson, etc all playing on the same team against WHL OHL and QMJHL teams all year without those players and without their 19 and 20 year olds. You’d think they’d be scoring even more than that. “But what about the National tournaments?” you say? Well, they have a very big advantage there as well. They play together all year long bonding, getting to know their coaches systems, creating on-ice chemistry, while all the other teams are thrown together in a week or two prior to the tournament. Of course they’re going to look good. So I’d be wary of drafting them. Good players? Sure. Of course, but I think they might be zoomed enough by their situation and teammates that some of them shouldn’t be considered in the top 15 or 20.

This is awesome. First draft ever to test this theory out. Gonna be great to watch the next five years on these guys.

Glovjuice

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– Re Hall.He had this to say: “”Following the NBA more closely with this Raptors run has really opened my eyes to how great a league it is. There is a real sense of bravado and showmanship that you don’t see in other sports. The stars are on display every night and it’s impressive,”

– The NBA has very colourful caracters.It’s the Hockey culture though: a guy like PK: the players don’t like him.Showboating: players need to teach that guy a lesson. Yak’s hockey goal celebrations were awesome (and hated by virtually the whole league) And if I hear another player saying they “give 110%”. these NBA Finals are great in terms of some the beaking off and chriping: it’s all done with the appropriate amount of jest

– McD and Crosby: they are about as boring bland personas for a sport that you could come up with.they are just awful in interviews: never say anything.But this is the Hockey “way”Dumb stuff like not touching the Conference Cups, even though you’ve gone through war to get to the finals…

This is a good post till the silly war part.

Material Elvis

Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think BLH is awesome: he’s a funny guy, knows a few people, does enough to keep entertained.He’s a breath of fresh air in an otherwise plan-vanilla “reporting” from other sources

– So he gets it wrong: he has insights: if you don’t like him, don’t read him, or post about it, not sure why he has to be mocked or bashed because you or others disagree with what he writes

Don’t patronize me Kinger. When you write bullshit and put it onto a public domain, you open yourself up to criticism. His response to said criticism earns him needles from people like me. Perhaps he’s the most likable guy in Canada, but that doesn’t excuse these ridiculous rumors he posts, in an attempt to be an insider (e5).

leadfarmer

Ryan,

More like whoever we draft 8ov or Bouchard + Yamamoto + Bear