Never Kept a Dollar Past Sunset

by Lowetide

Edmonton Oilers fans are going to be inundated with news and information over the next 30 days. Trades, signings, draft picks, updates on Connor McDavid, and even though the Oilers fan went through this in 2015 with Peter Chiarelli, this feels a little different. It is a more nervous fan base, a more urgent media, a sense of a gathering storm. Into that mess of blues arrived Ken Holland, who appears capable of getting excited himself. What we’ve seen so far is a deliberate pace and something approaching a plan. Let’s not get too excited (music bg builds, suspenseful), but there appears to be (crescendo followed by a single, peaceful flute and the sound of rushing water) a sliver of light up above.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Hard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How a third-line grinder launched the star-filled Oilers to their first Stanley Cup and a hockey dynasty.
  • Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

THE MCDAVID NEWS

There isn’t any. A guy walked across a field, was asked about his April injury, and then (correctly) brought things back to the reason he was there. That led to questions and the kind of vague usage of medical issues that usually ends badly. This little blog isn’t going to enter the fray, beyond saying the obvious.

If Connor McDavid were badly hurt, he doesn’t get within 2,000 yards of a Canadian media member or camera. That’s a fact. Did anyone ask him if he’s started training? Perhaps the limp is a result of his scheduled workouts that are obviously part of recovery?

If there was real concern, the event could have been moved later into summer, or organizers could have seated 97 before media arrived. The fact McDavid was caught on camera suggests to me his people didn’t think there was an issue, and that’s a tell.

DRAFT Q. AND A.

Favourite player in the draft at No. 8 overall? I would choose Arthur Kaliyev. He is not a burner, but he has a great shot, can pass the puck expertly and impact the power play. A late June 2001, he’s 6.02, 194 and put 320 shots on the net in 67 games. Kaliyev is a fantastic prospect.

One player in the draft who will go higher than you have him ranked? Kaedan Korczak. I have him No. 114, he’ll go inside the top 50 on draft day. I routinely punish players who will deliver most of their value defensively, it’s the reason Dmitri Samorukov was so low on my list. Ranking these players so low runs the risk of a spike, which happens often (Klefbom, Samorukov) with defenseman.

Favourite player not on your list? Eric Uba. He plays for the Flint Firebirds and had a fine season. I hope he gets drafted. This is a guy who didn’t find a way out of Flint, but rather made the most of it. I think that’s a character arrow.

Where is your list? Here.

Who is the best player not on your list? Ilya Nikolaev. Button had him inside the top 15 on his March list, Pronman listed him not far outside his first round.

Why isn’t he on your list? Much of his resume talks about responsible play, which is great but you want to see it from a more substantial offensive player. I think he’s a tweener.

Who do you think the Oilers will take? Wide open. I will guess they love all of the top four (Hughes, Kakko, Bowen, Turcotte) and like a second group that includes Dach, Cozens, Zegras, Caufield and Broberg (I said this the other day, Broberg’s name wasn’t mentioned until Holland arrived and that’s a tell).

Who do you think the Oilers will pass on? Podkolzin, Boldy and Krebs. I’m tempted to put Caufield in there too, but his scoring is so impressive my guess is they have him right there around No. 8.

Who is most likely to fall from that top tier? I’d say Kaliyev, but I’m the only one who has him in the top tier. Peyton Krebs may fall, his offensive numbers aren’t mammoth and you can say poor team and be right, but suspect scouting directors will go for the sure thing.

Name 10 players you hope Edmonton selects during the draft. Arthur Kaliyev, Trevor Zegras, Kirby Dach, Bobby Brink, Blake Murray, Sam Fagemo, Patrick Puistola, Alexei Protas, Mattias Norlinder, Lukas Wernblom.

If there’s one thing that stands out after this long draft season, what is it? The USHL will be heard like never before. It’s been a slow train coming, but it’s a monster this year.

Will they take a goalie? Holland takes one most seasons, Edmonton has a helluva lot in the pro leagues now. Maybe. I would be shocked if they take Spencer Knight No. 8, though.

The most obscure player eligible for the draft that you like?  There’s a goalie who plays for Djurgardens (J18 Elite) named Lucas Rheyneuclaudes. He’s good, but not good enough to be drafted.

What is the best part of the draft? For me, the best part of hockey is watching these kids grow from where they are on draft day to full bloom. It’s also fun identifying the players who fit my idea of a quality player and to see if I get anywhere close to reality. I’m proud of my 2015 list, others not so much.

Was this a difficult season to mark? It was pretty easy for me, but my rankings don’t fit with the other lists. Even more than in most seasons, I expect my top 120 will begin to separate from the actual draft around No. 15 overall.

Will Holland trade the first-round pick? His story as general manager has been about the long game, so my guess is he keeps most or all of his picks.

If the Oilers pick Broberg No. 8, will you write a scathing article? I have Broberg at No. 16, mostly because the offense implied doesn’t approach future top pairing status. However, Swedish blue are typically underrated offensively going back to Oscar Klefbom in 2011 and before. I will say that Edmonton left a lot of forward talent on the board if they pick Broberg and likely say “they better be right” with the selection. Picking Broberg and passing on Caufield would put draft for need on its ear.

PULJUJARVI TO JOKERIT?

There’s an online rumor that has Jesse Puljujarvi signing with Jokerit of the KHL next season. Not sure at this time if it’s correct, and had heard that Torpedo owned his KHL rights. So, we’ll see. It wouldn’t be the worst outcome in the world if Jesse blew the doors off a Euro league.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll hit the ground running with a live lowdown! TSN1260 is live at The Ranch all day today, and we’ll welcome Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal at 10:20. Bruce will discuss the early weeks of Holland, what the new general manager might be searching for, and how much activity we can expect in the coming days.

At 10:40, Nick Sulsky from Monkey Knife Fight drops by with some amazing prop bets for Raptors/Warriors and more. Kris Abbott from OddsShark pops in to talk about Bruins-Blues, NBA Finals, and a strange day in mlb. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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RonnieB

Professor Q: Eriksson only has 3 years left.

3 years on contract but 6 years on buyout, which is what my post compare to Lucic buyout. I didn’t bother to go past 4 years because the Cap hits are a wash after 4 years.

OriginalPouzar

russ99:
OriginalPouzar,

Makes no sense to me, production is roughly a wash, assuming both players have a bounce in a new city.

Doesn’t help this year’s cap on iota, which is the real reason we’d move Lucic, especially with Holland’s MO of adding primarily through FA.

Buyout is just as bad.

Older player with similar cap hit and declining performance concerns will he harder to trade even with no NMC. Despite how he played here outside the first season, Lucic is still a name player and some teams will have an interest based on grit and leadership alone.

As much as some fans just want to dump Lucic, I don’t see Holland making a bad trade just to get rid of him.

I’d say no on any trade that doesn’t help our cap, since we can just buy Lucic out and save $2.35M for next season and the rising salary cap and expiring contacts will mitigate the nastiness of buyout years 2 and 4.

The one year less term is material.

The lack of a NMC is material (in particular with the expansion draft).

His ability to PK (and actually have success) is a plus over Lucic.

I dont’ know if he’ll rebound at all but I can see his skill set fitting in with Leon or McDavid or Nuge – I don’t see Lucic bouncing back offensively at all.

No, its not the ideal way to get rid of Lucic as there is no immediate opening up of space but I do think its a net plus.

stephen sheps

Woodguy v2.0: Why do you hate science?

ha! I think I even included different science in my post… and I am a scientist (well, a social scientist… so you’re probably right, I do hate science)

russ99

OriginalPouzar,

Makes no sense to me, production is roughly a wash, assuming both players have a bounce in a new city.

Doesn’t help this year’s cap on iota, which is the real reason we’d move Lucic, especially with Holland’s MO of adding primarily through FA.

Buyout is just as bad.

Older player with similar cap hit and declining performance concerns will he harder to trade even with no NMC. Despite how he played here outside the first season, Lucic is still a name player and some teams will have an interest based on grit and leadership alone.

As much as some fans just want to dump Lucic, I don’t see Holland making a bad trade just to get rid of him.

I’d say no on any trade that doesn’t help our cap, since we can just buy Lucic out and save $2.35M for next season and the rising salary cap and expiring contacts will mitigate the nastiness of buyout years 2 and 4.

Ribs

What a thread to get in late on. Awesome stuff, Munny. Some LT swag would be great. I’ve been meaning to research how to make this feasible but haven’t had much luck. Do you have a particular supplier in mind?

Professor Q

RonnieB: Yes. That proposed trade provides no significant benefit to the Oilers until year 4. The Oilers need Cap relief now; a lot can change in 4 years.

Lucic buyout Cap hit in years 1 thru 4: $3.625 $5.625 $4.125 $5.625

Eriksson buyout hit i years 1 thru 4: $5.556 $5.556 $3.556 $0.556

Lucic turns 31 in June and would have to waive his NMC ( he likely would ). Eriksson turns 34 in July and would have to waive his NTC; would he rather spend his winters in Vancouver or Edmonton ?

Eriksson only has 3 years left.

Munny

Jaxon: Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

I have Kakko ahead of Hughes. After that I’m nowhere near as sure… I think Kaliyev has a seriously good chance to be a better player than Hughes and Byram could be too, although D are tougher to project and I think his ceiling is more unknown.

I like Turcotte a lot and I like Cozens. Talent-wise, NHL projection-wise, I think those five are the cream of the draft, along with Hughes.

But if I’m picking first, I’m taking Kakko.

With Holland at the helm, I would not be surprised to see Kaliyev taken 8th.

RonnieB

OriginalPouzar: Actually, check that, his buyout structure is pretty much as egregious as Lucic’s.

Yes. That proposed trade provides no significant benefit to the Oilers until year 4. The Oilers need Cap relief now; a lot can change in 4 years.

Lucic buyout Cap hit in years 1 thru 4: $3.625 $5.625 $4.125 $5.625

Eriksson buyout hit i years 1 thru 4: $5.556 $5.556 $3.556 $0.556

Lucic turns 31 in June and would have to waive his NMC ( he likely would ). Eriksson turns 34 in July and would have to waive his NTC; would he rather spend his winters in Vancouver or Edmonton ?

Glovjuice

Jaxon: Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

Cheers.

Yeah, Turcotte could go up over Broberg and Cozens probably over Dach. I do think Boldy covers my bet and I have a feeling (no math) that he covers a bit higher. I’m sure kaliyev is as good as that Tchaupchuck in Calgary.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Warriors are in a bit of trouble now: for real. Only one day off between games: two guys out

– Raptors are just way better than this Warriors lineup, not even close.

Jaxon

Glovjuice: 5 years:

1. Math against men
2. Ultra skating D that aren’t small and don’t suck.
3. Math.

I think Krebs might be the one I miss on. He was good in tournaments but those in-season maths suck.

Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

Jaxon

Who are the NHL-ready picks this year?

Most complete game with fairly elite speed, high IQ, adequate size, physicality: Cozens, Turcotte, and maybe Byram? Harder for D, but Byram is pretty elite.

Elite picks:
Kakko? Hughes? Can their elite talent overcome any challenges?

Adequate speed, decent physicality, good IQ:
Dach? Beecher? Harley? Seider? Broberg? – probably not talented enough at this stage.

Issues for top picks:
Hughes and Caufield are small and not very physical
Kakko, Podkolzin, Kaliyev, Boldy and Dach aren’t very fast (not slow, just not fast)
Newhook’s competition jump from BCHL
Seider, Broberg, Kakko and Podkolzin have to adjust to N. American ice surfaces
Caufield’s size and he has decent speed but not elite speed
Krebs, Zegras, and Suzuki aren’t very fast (not slow either) or physical

I’d say Cozens, Turcotte, and Byram are most likely to start in the NHL and have decent rookie seasons.

After the combine, there’s a lot of buzz about Seider’s state of mind. Many teams seem very impressed with him. He might climb, but will definitely need some adjustment time. Probably best to get out of Germany though. Maybe join the WHL?

Glovjuice

Jaxon: Nice. Is this your prediction of the draft or how a redraft will look in 5 years?

5 years:

1. Math against men
2. Ultra skating D that aren’t small and don’t suck.
3. Math.

I think Krebs might be the one I miss on. He was good in tournaments but those in-season maths suck.

Jaxon

Would anyone pick Dominic Fensore at #38 and then convert him to a winger?

Munny

Glovjuice:
Ya’ll are stressing LT out. He has probably been stewing all day deciding how to tell Munny that it’s an awesome idea but not for him.

Judging by his email to me he’s not stressed… but doesn’t want to break any laws (none of us do) and is unsure how well swag would sell.

OriginalPouzar

Jaxon: Without looking it up I seem to remember JP being a more complete player and being more NHL ready with better size and speed and defensive awareness than Laine, yet Laine had a higher offensive ceiling so was considered a lock at #2. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but that’s the “feels” I have about it.

I was going to state something along those lines in my previous response to this post – i have seen/read/heard multiple of each, the exact opposite – multiple reports that he would need time but could be the better player in 4-5 years and other reports that he was ready.

OriginalPouzar

Rondo:
Cahoon,

Lots of opinions, but I think Hockey Prospect is the 2nd best at predicting second to Bob McKenzie.

I would hope McKenzie’s list is accurate as its the official list of 10 plus team’s scouts and averaged.

Jaxon

Glovjuice:
Glovjuice top 10 2019:

1. Kakko
2. Byram
3. Kaliyev
4. Hughes
5. Broberg
6. Turcotte
7. Boldy
8. Dach
9. Cozens
10. Podkolzin

Nice. Is this your prediction of the draft or how a redraft will look in 5 years?

Jaxon

Made a table out of Pronman’s Grading System for his final prospect list for anyone who’s interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hNKnmlFMvEbTFjJEAf0Sk_WrDzsvSZaJbYv1i01AnJQ/edit?usp=sharing

Here’s the article of his top ranked 107 prospects with writeups on each one and grading system explanation:
https://theathletic.com/970746/2019/05/21/pronmans-2019-nhl-draft-board-top-107-prospects/

Great stuff. Subscribe.

Glovjuice

Glovjuice top 10 2019:

1. Kakko
2. Byram
3. Kaliyev
4. Hughes
5. Broberg
6. Turcotte
7. Boldy
8. Dach
9. Cozens
10. Podkolzin

Jaxon

Scungilli Slushy: When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

Without looking it up I seem to remember JP being a more complete player and being more NHL ready with better size and speed and defensive awareness than Laine, yet Laine had a higher offensive ceiling so was considered a lock at #2. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but that’s the “feels” I have about it.

digger50

Reja: Been tooting Anderson for 6 months Big Strong and fast scores 35-40 on the new Triple crown line signed for one more year at 1.85 he’s 25 years old. I would trade JP plus plus to see him in Oilers silks. We need to add at least one real winger this offseason I hope holland’s not gonna bank on Projects and shrubs off the Giant Tiger scrap heap while Mcdavid and Leon are hitting their primes.

I like Anderson or that player style. But I would not trade Jessie for him as Jessie may be the exact same player. Big, strong and fast, capable of 30 goals.

I don’t know the answer for Jessie, but you can see the problem, just no confidence whatsoever.

Jaxon

ArmchairGM: This list is bunk. Cozens at 14, Broberg at 21 and Lavoie at 25? Yikes.

Yes, but I hope it is the truth up to number 7.

ArmchairGM

Rondo:
Hockey ProspectTop 31

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-final-2019-nhl-draft-top-31-ranking/

This list is bunk. Cozens at 14, Broberg at 21 and Lavoie at 25? Yikes.

Munny

Woodguy v2.0: A 3-D box?

Would be easy to make but kind of meaningless to the eye.

Rondo

Cahoon,

Lots of opinions, but I think Hockey Prospect is the 2nd best at predicting second to Bob McKenzie.

OriginalPouzar

Scungilli Slushy:
To me Lucic for Eriksson is straight up. The extra year is offset by Lucic being who he is, the Dys needing a legit heavyweight as their small skill players are getting pushed around, another coming.

Louie is a light duty player. Neither score recently, same salary, both need a move.

There are other benefits to Eriksson, and his contract, other than the one year less term:

– better buyout structure
– no NMC
– he can kill penalties – he killed over a minute/game last year and his GA/60 was a fantastic 3.11

Also, as far as offensive production, I think there is a better chance of Eriksson bouncing back a bit as an Oiler – if he gets a chance in the top 6, I think he could click with one of the higher end guys – don’t know why i think that mind you.

Actually, check that, his buyout structure is pretty much as egregious as Lucic’s.

Cahoon

Rondo,

They have Cozens wayyyy low and soderstrom ahead of Broberg…

OriginalPouzar

Scungilli Slushy:
When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

Now the oilers have a coach who is firm, but players actually like playing for. Who has a history of getting the best out of players.

To me the issue is his long term health. If he’s likely to move past the hip issue, it would be risky to move him now. I’d trade any player in the right deal, but dumping a player with such potential in a cap deal or traditional Oiler impatience move has a high chance of whining in 3 years of that it would be awesome to have a 4-5M winger with size skill defensive awareness and speed to play in the top 6.

He’s going into his 4th season, been brought over too soon and Oilered there after.

Give him a year of stability and growing confidence in himself and the new regime and then decide. He won’t bring any less later. Probably more if he can gain any sort of traction.

Agreed with pretty much all of this in particular with what Jesse needs this year in order to “put him in a position to succeed” which is what the coach has professed he does for his players.

Trading him at this point is silly, we all know that – there is just too much potential value to the Oilers to risk what would be a middling return. Assuming Holland is smart, which he is, Jesse will be an Oiler come October and he needs some consistency – consistency in minutes and linemates – put him somewhere in the top 6 with some skill and roll him out there for at least a third of a season, night in and night out with 12 plus even strength minutes. Allow him to “play” to be creative to make mistakes and the have fun.

This player may blossom.

I’m not concerned about his hip as the verbal was that its not that uncommon and generally “fixes” the issue – he should be good to go.

Woodguy v2.0

Munny: Ha!Other than a box, what shape would that be though?

Those who know would know.

Also,

A 3-D box?

Woodguy v2.0

Nit64: I agree. I was referring to ON using a genericoil drop on those Tees. Smart. Borrowing elements wholesale is asking for trouble. Especially that lettering and the crest elements

Got it. Thanks

Munny

Nit64,

It’s far better to be safe than sorry.

Munny

Woodguy v2.0:
Munny,

I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

Or the shape of a camping box.

Ha! Other than a box, what shape would that be though?

N64

Woodguy v2.0: I not sure what you mean

I agree. I was referring to ON using a generic oil drop on those Tees. Smart. Borrowing elements wholesale is asking for trouble. Especially that lettering and the crest elements

Woodguy v2.0

Munny,

I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

Or the shape of a camping box.

Woodguy v2.0

stephen sheps: I’m certain we’ve debated this before. IMO the best way to enjoy whisk(e)y is however the hell you like your whisk(e)y.

Personally I like to try everything neat first and then add a couple drops of water just to see if anything changes. Sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes it needs more, sometimes I find that water absolutely wrecks the drink.

Then again I rarely if ever drink anything below 45% abv and often drink things that are 50% plus, not chill filtered and often single cask or cask strength. To be fair, this also means I rarely have more than an ounce or two in a night. Water is great because even two drops can dramatically change the subtle flavours and, as the article correctly implies, bring certain phenolic compounds to the surface. Rarely do I enjoy my whiskey cold and I find that cubes water it down too much, especially lower proof whiskies like your beloved writers tears, which along with the occasional Redbreast 12 are the only 40% abv whiskies I really enjoy. The lower the proof, the more likely they are chill-filtered, which strips a lot of the oils, fatty acids and esters out of the whisky. You can always tell if it isn’t chill filtered if it goes a bit cloudy when you add ice. Almost nothing above 46% will be filtered in that way (http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whisky_basics/chill_filtration.html)

Of course everyone is different and I’m not exactly militant about it. Bourbon makes for a great cocktail base, which often (but not always) leads to using ice, same with Rye. And when I’m at my better half’s grandparents’ place, they only have garbage whisky, but if her grandfather offers me a scotch, I’ll happily take it however he hands it to me, which is usually full of ice.

So, to bring it back to my initial point drink it how you like it, and never forget that it’s better when it’s shared.

Why do you hate science?

Woodguy v2.0

Nit64: They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation

I not sure what you mean.

I noted that ON avoids a knockoff of the logo.

OEG and the NHL own the Oilers logo so if you knock it off and sell it they might come calling.

Glovjuice

Ya’ll are stressing LT out. He has probably been stewing all day deciding how to tell Munny that it’s an awesome idea but not for him.

Scungilli Slushy

To me Lucic for Eriksson is straight up. The extra year is offset by Lucic being who he is, the Dys needing a legit heavyweight as their small skill players are getting pushed around, another coming.

Louie is a light duty player. Neither score recently, same salary, both need a move.

Scungilli Slushy

When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

Now the oilers have a coach who is firm, but players actually like playing for. Who has a history of getting the best out of players.

To me the issue is his long term health. If he’s likely to move past the hip issue, it would be risky to move him now. I’d trade any player in the right deal, but dumping a player with such potential in a cap deal or traditional Oiler impatience move has a high chance of whining in 3 years of that it would be awesome to have a 4-5M winger with size skill defensive awareness and speed to play in the top 6.

He’s going into his 4th season, been brought over too soon and Oilered there after.

Give him a year of stability and growing confidence in himself and the new regime and then decide. He won’t bring any less later. Probably more if he can gain any sort of traction.

Munny
N64

Munny: Also one has to be an absolute masochist to try to letter with the Oiler crest lettering

Or have a very good trademark lawyer. The Oilers Nation ball caps are probably as close as one can get. Borrowing more elements is looking for trouble.

Context also matters. Logo elements in the upper corner of an Oilogosphere blog might be more like a newspaper using the Oilers logo in a chart. Whereas the same logo in a T-shirt may be objectionable.

pts2pndr

Munny: No worries, bro.It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see.Don’t want to step on his toes.

And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top.Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom.Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

Things I’ve considered for the top:

Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
Sideburns and Shineboxes
Regress(ing) to the Meat
Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
Stan Weir of the Al Gore
Home of the Camping Box
Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
Surviving the Decade of Darkness(might be too many letters)

Any other good ones?

LT’s Commando’s

Figure of the commando with boom box for back pack, hockey stick for rifle, hockey helmut, and skates for boots.
Just a thought

Pescador

Woodguy v2.0:
Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

Also,

On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

Ymmv.

Taste testing the effects of water and or ice on whiskey,
Talk about a sweet job,
I never should have dropped out of scientist school

Munny

Nit64: They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation

We don’t really know their reasons. But I would point out that they have their own logo… and OilersNation would not fit in the centre of an Oiler crest. Also one has to be an absolute masochist to try to letter with the Oiler crest lettering. None of those letters in what I have created are exact replicas of the existing logo, but of course there are strong similarities.

I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

I can also place the Lowetide lettering inside of an oildrop, take out the circular idea and banner one of the Lowetidisms across the top of the drop (which actually was my original plan).

stephen sheps

Woodguy v2.0:
Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

Also,

On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

Ymmv.

I’m certain we’ve debated this before. IMO the best way to enjoy whisk(e)y is however the hell you like your whisk(e)y.

Personally I like to try everything neat first and then add a couple drops of water just to see if anything changes. Sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes it needs more, sometimes I find that water absolutely wrecks the drink.

Then again I rarely if ever drink anything below 45% abv and often drink things that are 50% plus, not chill filtered and often single cask or cask strength. To be fair, this also means I rarely have more than an ounce or two in a night. Water is great because even two drops can dramatically change the subtle flavours and, as the article correctly implies, bring certain phenolic compounds to the surface. Rarely do I enjoy my whiskey cold and I find that cubes water it down too much, especially lower proof whiskies like your beloved writers tears, which along with the occasional Redbreast 12 are the only 40% abv whiskies I really enjoy. The lower the proof, the more likely they are chill-filtered, which strips a lot of the oils, fatty acids and esters out of the whisky. You can always tell if it isn’t chill filtered if it goes a bit cloudy when you add ice. Almost nothing above 46% will be filtered in that way (http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whisky_basics/chill_filtration.html)

Of course everyone is different and I’m not exactly militant about it. Bourbon makes for a great cocktail base, which often (but not always) leads to using ice, same with Rye. And when I’m at my better half’s grandparents’ place, they only have garbage whisky, but if her grandfather offers me a scotch, I’ll happily take it however he hands it to me, which is usually full of ice.

So, to bring it back to my initial point drink it how you like it, and never forget that it’s better when it’s shared.

pts2pndr

Woodguy v2.0:
Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

Also,

On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

Ymmv.

While I generally agree and this is my preference some of the more subtle nuances may be masked when the whiskey is colder.

pts2pndr

Yeti:
I would love Patrick Puistola for the Oil! But I wonder whether he’ll be there in the second…
Here’s Jokke Nevalainen’s verdict from earlier in the winter:
“In Mestis, Puistola has been excellent, putting up 10 goals and 14 points in 14 games playing often together with undrafted Kristian Tanus and 2020 top prospect Kasper Simontaival. Puistola has high-end puck skills combined with great release and vision. He could be a bit quicker, but his pure skill level is very high. Like Heinola, I could see Puistola getting picked in the late first or early second round.”

His skating says he shouldn’t be picked higher than fourth or fifth round. The one common theme to those that do not make it in the NHL is skating. When it is recognized as a weakness in his scouting report there should be big warning label attached.

N64

Woodguy v2.0:
Nit64,

Oilers Nation has done a lot of T-shirt swag. Do they get that close to the Oil logos?

No, they do a good job avoiding obvious knock-offs.

My guess is that OEG would have a trademark issue with what Munny has posted.

Cool idea but it probably needs to be walked back a bit.

We (company) own some trademarks and protect them jealousy.I expect a NHL team to be *really really* hot on protecting their property.

They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation