Never Kept a Dollar Past Sunset

Edmonton Oilers fans are going to be inundated with news and information over the next 30 days. Trades, signings, draft picks, updates on Connor McDavid, and even though the Oilers fan went through this in 2015 with Peter Chiarelli, this feels a little different. It is a more nervous fan base, a more urgent media, a sense of a gathering storm. Into that mess of blues arrived Ken Holland, who appears capable of getting excited himself. What we’ve seen so far is a deliberate pace and something approaching a plan. Let’s not get too excited (music bg builds, suspenseful), but there appears to be (crescendo followed by a single, peaceful flute and the sound of rushing water) a sliver of light up above.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Lowetide: Hard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How a third-line grinder launched the star-filled Oilers to their first Stanley Cup and a hockey dynasty.
  • Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

THE MCDAVID NEWS

There isn’t any. A guy walked across a field, was asked about his April injury, and then (correctly) brought things back to the reason he was there. That led to questions and the kind of vague usage of medical issues that usually ends badly. This little blog isn’t going to enter the fray, beyond saying the obvious.

If Connor McDavid were badly hurt, he doesn’t get within 2,000 yards of a Canadian media member or camera. That’s a fact. Did anyone ask him if he’s started training? Perhaps the limp is a result of his scheduled workouts that are obviously part of recovery?

If there was real concern, the event could have been moved later into summer, or organizers could have seated 97 before media arrived. The fact McDavid was caught on camera suggests to me his people didn’t think there was an issue, and that’s a tell.

DRAFT Q. AND A.

Favourite player in the draft at No. 8 overall? I would choose Arthur Kaliyev. He is not a burner, but he has a great shot, can pass the puck expertly and impact the power play. A late June 2001, he’s 6.02, 194 and put 320 shots on the net in 67 games. Kaliyev is a fantastic prospect.

One player in the draft who will go higher than you have him ranked? Kaedan Korczak. I have him No. 114, he’ll go inside the top 50 on draft day. I routinely punish players who will deliver most of their value defensively, it’s the reason Dmitri Samorukov was so low on my list. Ranking these players so low runs the risk of a spike, which happens often (Klefbom, Samorukov) with defenseman.

Favourite player not on your list? Eric Uba. He plays for the Flint Firebirds and had a fine season. I hope he gets drafted. This is a guy who didn’t find a way out of Flint, but rather made the most of it. I think that’s a character arrow.

Where is your list? Here.

Who is the best player not on your list? Ilya Nikolaev. Button had him inside the top 15 on his March list, Pronman listed him not far outside his first round.

Why isn’t he on your list? Much of his resume talks about responsible play, which is great but you want to see it from a more substantial offensive player. I think he’s a tweener.

Who do you think the Oilers will take? Wide open. I will guess they love all of the top four (Hughes, Kakko, Bowen, Turcotte) and like a second group that includes Dach, Cozens, Zegras, Caufield and Broberg (I said this the other day, Broberg’s name wasn’t mentioned until Holland arrived and that’s a tell).

Who do you think the Oilers will pass on? Podkolzin, Boldy and Krebs. I’m tempted to put Caufield in there too, but his scoring is so impressive my guess is they have him right there around No. 8.

Who is most likely to fall from that top tier? I’d say Kaliyev, but I’m the only one who has him in the top tier. Peyton Krebs may fall, his offensive numbers aren’t mammoth and you can say poor team and be right, but suspect scouting directors will go for the sure thing.

Name 10 players you hope Edmonton selects during the draft. Arthur Kaliyev, Trevor Zegras, Kirby Dach, Bobby Brink, Blake Murray, Sam Fagemo, Patrick Puistola, Alexei Protas, Mattias Norlinder, Lukas Wernblom.

If there’s one thing that stands out after this long draft season, what is it? The USHL will be heard like never before. It’s been a slow train coming, but it’s a monster this year.

Will they take a goalie? Holland takes one most seasons, Edmonton has a helluva lot in the pro leagues now. Maybe. I would be shocked if they take Spencer Knight No. 8, though.

The most obscure player eligible for the draft that you like?  There’s a goalie who plays for Djurgardens (J18 Elite) named Lucas Rheyneuclaudes. He’s good, but not good enough to be drafted.

What is the best part of the draft? For me, the best part of hockey is watching these kids grow from where they are on draft day to full bloom. It’s also fun identifying the players who fit my idea of a quality player and to see if I get anywhere close to reality. I’m proud of my 2015 list, others not so much.

Was this a difficult season to mark? It was pretty easy for me, but my rankings don’t fit with the other lists. Even more than in most seasons, I expect my top 120 will begin to separate from the actual draft around No. 15 overall.

Will Holland trade the first-round pick? His story as general manager has been about the long game, so my guess is he keeps most or all of his picks.

If the Oilers pick Broberg No. 8, will you write a scathing article? I have Broberg at No. 16, mostly because the offense implied doesn’t approach future top pairing status. However, Swedish blue are typically underrated offensively going back to Oscar Klefbom in 2011 and before. I will say that Edmonton left a lot of forward talent on the board if they pick Broberg and likely say “they better be right” with the selection. Picking Broberg and passing on Caufield would put draft for need on its ear.

PULJUJARVI TO JOKERIT?

There’s an online rumor that has Jesse Puljujarvi signing with Jokerit of the KHL next season. Not sure at this time if it’s correct, and had heard that Torpedo owned his KHL rights. So, we’ll see. It wouldn’t be the worst outcome in the world if Jesse blew the doors off a Euro league.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll hit the ground running with a live lowdown! TSN1260 is live at The Ranch all day today, and we’ll welcome Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal at 10:20. Bruce will discuss the early weeks of Holland, what the new general manager might be searching for, and how much activity we can expect in the coming days.

At 10:40, Nick Sulsky from Monkey Knife Fight drops by with some amazing prop bets for Raptors/Warriors and more. Kris Abbott from OddsShark pops in to talk about Bruins-Blues, NBA Finals, and a strange day in mlb. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is a Finish report that Jesse is about to sign over seas but, as per Rishaug, negotiations with the team are ongoing and that would be a big surprise to them.

    He’s also not free to sign elsewhere until July.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup, I’m not concerned about McDavid’s recovery not being on track.

  3. Coiler says:

    Signing overseas is not the solution for this young man. I think it’s an easy way out for him.

    Maybe he (and his agent) read the tea leaves with Holland’s/Tippett’s arrival? Maybe he doesn’t want to do the hard work required for the NHL game? Either way it’s a shame.

  4. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There is a Finish report that Jesse is about to sign over seas but, as per Rishaug, negotiations with the team are ongoing and that would be a big surprise to them.

    He’s also not free to sign elsewhere until July.

    This sounds a lot like his Holland tweet.

  5. Pouzar says:

    Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/reporterchris

    The report circulating about Jesse Puljujarvi signing a KHL contract with Jokerit is “totally inaccurate,” according to his agent Markus Lehto.

    10 mins ago

  6. Pouzar says:

    So yeah….how bout dem Knicks!

  7. 36 percent body fat says:

    How would this be for a draft,

    JP and bear traded for a mid 1st and early 2nd

    8th- Cozins
    16th- Kaliyev
    33rd- Leasson
    38th- Tracy
    85th – Fagemo

    Would that restock the forward pool.

  8. stevebergeron97 says:

    36 percent body fat:
    How would this be for a draft,

    JP and bear traded for a mid 1st and early 2nd

    8th- Cozins
    16th- Kaliyev
    33rd- Leasson
    38th- Tracy
    85th – Fagemo

    Would that restock the forward pool.

    At this point, I don’t think JP fetches a 1st rounder, let alone an additional 2nd.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spector:

    Spoke with Puljujarvi agent Marcus Lehto, who says his client is planning on playing in the NHL next season. No Jokerit, no KHL – even though those teams have been calling.

    I do believe the Puljujarvi camp would welcome a trade from EDM however. “Maybe it is best for team too,” Lehto said. He has spoken with GM Holland, but nothing specific on a new deal for the RFA Puljujarvi

    Agent also said that perhaps a new coach and new GM could mean a fresh start for Puljujarvi in EDM. My bet? He will be dangled this summer. We’ll see if there are any takers.

  10. Jaxon says:

    Some may find this interesting and might be a useful tool for later round picks. Grabbing someone with elite speed and hockey sense or elite speed and shot, for instance, might be a good way to go.

    From Pronman’s scores on prospects:

    Hockey Sense 65 or higher: Hughes, Kakko, Zegras, Boldy, Newhook, Krebs, Kaliyev, Suzuki, Brinks, N. Robertson, Mastrosimone, Legare, Beaucage, Koster, Malm, Tanis.

    Skating 65 or higher: Hughes, Broberg, Newhook, Fensore, Aaltonen

    Puck Skills 65 or higher: Hoglander, Hughes, Kakko, Caufield, Boldt, Puistola, Huglen, Altybarmakyan, Likhachyov, Malm.

    Physical Game 65 or higher: Vlasic (ME’s 6’6″ cousin), Voronkov, Cozens, Seider, Beecher, Leason, Hamaliuk, Attard, Misyul, Tuomisto, Korczak, Bolduc.

    Shot Grade 65 or higher: Caufield, Nick Robertson.

    Hughes (3), Kakko, Malm, Newhook, Caufield, and N Robertson show up multiple times as near elite in a category.

  11. LadiesloveSmid says:

    The organization has done JP few favours, but if he’s sniffing around the KHL at 20 then good riddance.

  12. GMB3 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t JP listed as a plus skater in his draft year? I’ve found that to be so far from true in his time in the NHL.

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    stevebergeron97: At this point, I don’t think JP fetches a 1st rounder, let alone an additional 2nd.

    – I think this is right. Maybe he’s just another Yak? Yak was poorly managed here, but he did get 2nd opinions, and he wasn’t a NHL hockey player (you can argue that it was his initial development that made him not an NHL player, but he got other chances).

    – If all you can get is a 2nd: I dont’ see why you don’t put him on a line for 30 games with skill. And you don’t let McD dictate that he doesn’t like playing with him (if that rumour is true), you coach McD up to unlock Pool (or Drai or RNH)

    – I’d rather find out he’s another Yak , than trade him now

    * I am one of the most anti-preseason guys that posts here in terms of what it means for the season. Remember Rattie, Kailer and Pool were zooming in pre-season (15 goals combined), Talbot looked awesome…

    That said, you don’t give this potential for nuthin’ IMO:.

    “Another gear,” McDavid said. “He’s just got another step. He must have had a good summer.

    “He’s got skill,” McDavid said. “The goal he scored on the power play, I zipped it in there on his backhand, and sometimes that’s a tough play when you’re going full speed. He handled it perfectly and got off an amazing shot.”

    ““You work hard, and some good things will happen. I had a good summer. That helped me,” said Puljujarvi, who has found confidence early this autumn. “I think that all things come from there. If you have good confidence, good things happen.””

    “Puljujarvi had a breakaway in the first period and used his puck control and wheels to go end to end and hit the post in the second and then scored two goals in the third. He has definitely taken a big step forward this season.”

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    Pouzar:
    Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/reporterchris

    The report circulating about Jesse Puljujarvi signing a KHL contract with Jokerit is “totally inaccurate,” according to his agent Markus Lehto.

    10 mins ago

    Thank you for that. It didn’t make sense with a new coach and GM to give up without giving it a try 1st. Fake news and rumours are getting ridiculous.

  15. Ben says:

    If there’s someone they love there in the teens, wonder if JP+2nd does the trick. Would prefer they get a more seasoned prospect for him. The dream would be JP, 2nd, Bear for Anderson or something like that.

  16. Tapdog says:

    LOL anyone catch Global News Edm this morning and specifically the Bryan Hall clip 🙂
    As serious as ever he leans in and says……. Taylor Hall wants to come back to Edm……. lol then he goes on to add the Oilers are also in on Kadri from the Leafs because the Leafs are in Cap trouble 🙂 oh my…..
    Got to love the fella, just had to share 🙂

  17. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – I’d rather find out he’s another Yak , than trade him now

    Agreed.

    Though I hope this KHL nonsense is a bargaining tactic or something.

    EDM needs wingers so desperately, need JP to flourish this season.

    New coach & ideally a new centre.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: –

    – If all you can get is a 2nd: I dont’ see why you don’t put him on a line for 30 games with skill.And you don’t let McD dictate that he doesn’t like playing with him (if that rumour is true), you coach McD up to unlock Pool (or Drai or RNH)

    – I’d rather find out he’s another Yak , than trade him now

    * I am one of the most anti-preseason guys that posts here in terms of what it means for the season.Remember Rattie, Kailer and Pool were zooming in pre-season (15 goals combined), Talbot looked awesome…

    That said, you don’t give this potential for nuthin’ IMO:.

    Agree with all of this and have been expressing that all off-season.

    I don’t believe there is much trade value there now and Jesse’s potential value as an Oiler vastly trumps anything that will be received in a trade.

    Sure, he may never get there and bust out completely, however, at the same time, he just turned 21 and is at the age where many high skilled players do “pop” – he is far from a closed book.

    He needs to take a real step forward this year and, as long as the coach puts him in a position to suceeds (at the coached has professed he does with his players) there is a reasonable chance for that to happen.

    For me, he needs consistent minutes at evens with consistent linemates. As stated above, give him at least some skill to play with (somewhere in the top 9) and give him 12-14 5 on 5 minutes per game – for a couple of months. I think he will thrive with that deployment.

    Preseason productions means absolutely nothing with respect to NHL readiness.

    Go Jesse!

  19. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    LadiesloveSmid: A

    New coach & ideally a new centre.

    – I think the new coach and philosophy represent opportunities.

    – A bad organization would do the following, relying on the advice of what remaining people in management were there before :

    – Trade a 4rth overall who has struggled but is 20 and has skills, and will be cheap
    – Trade Benning who might be a 2RHD if the entire D roster was healthy and slotted properly
    – Trade Sek and retain a lot because he was injured for 2 years
    – Trade Nurse because whatever
    – Get rid of Lucic at all costs and have a lot of pain that last many years

    – Of course the new guys can do any/all of these things: they have a blank slate. But maybe a 2nd opinion, improvements to the roster, a year of health, coaching tweaks

  20. godot10 says:

    //Who do you think the Oilers will take? Wide open. I will guess they love all of the top four (Hughes, Kakko, Bowen, Turcotte) and like a second group that includes Dach, Cozens, Zegras, Caufield and Broberg (I said this the other day, Broberg’s name wasn’t mentioned until Holland arrived and that’s a tell).//

    Could be just coincidental with the under-18’s, where like the Hlinka, Broberg was dominant against his peers again.

  21. GBandQ says:

    Jaxon,

    i hope Caufield lands in our laps at #8.

  22. godot10 says:

    Coiler:
    Signing overseas is not the solution for this young man. I think it’s an easy way out for him.

    Maybe he (and his agent) read the tea leaves with Holland’s/Tippett’s arrival?Maybe he doesn’t want to do the hard work required for the NHL game? Either way it’s a shame.

    If you are trying to force a trade out of Edmonton draft week, a rumour out of Finland that you will sign there July 1 is a smart thing to do.

    The message from the agent to Holland “Take your 2nd round pick for Puljujarvi now.”

  23. godot10 says:

    36 percent body fat:
    How would this be for a draft,

    JP and bear traded for a mid 1st and early 2nd

    8th- Cozins
    16th- Kaliyev
    33rd- Leasson
    38th- Tracy
    85th – Fagemo

    Would that restock the forward pool.

    You aren’t getting more than a 2nd for Puljujarvi.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Q: Would you give up Yamamoto + Marody + 2019 3rd round (NYI) for Zucker + $1.5M retained? Why or why not?

  25. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Q: Would you give up Yamamoto + Marody + 2019 3rd round (NYI) for Zucker + $1.5M retained? Why or why not?

    Fenton was asking for Boeser out of Vancouver for Zucker. He was asking for Kessel out of Pittsburgh. He is not giving him away for two AHL’ers and a 3rd round draft pick.

  26. 36 percent body fat says:

    godot10,

    Maybe, maybe not. Remember Reinhart? Hall got traded? Horton and Clarkson were traded?

    Maybe they need to throw in a some sweetners, who knows.

  27. Pescador says:

    godot10: Fenton was asking for Boeser out of Vancouver for Zucker. He was asking for Kessel out of Pittsburgh.He is not giving him away for two AHL’ers and a 3rd round draft pick.

    What was the offer/ask from Cgy?

  28. Yeti says:

    I would love Patrick Puistola for the Oil! But I wonder whether he’ll be there in the second…
    Here’s Jokke Nevalainen’s verdict from earlier in the winter:
    “In Mestis, Puistola has been excellent, putting up 10 goals and 14 points in 14 games playing often together with undrafted Kristian Tanus and 2020 top prospect Kasper Simontaival. Puistola has high-end puck skills combined with great release and vision. He could be a bit quicker, but his pure skill level is very high. Like Heinola, I could see Puistola getting picked in the late first or early second round.”

  29. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pescador: Quote

    Frolik + 2019 1st (27th overall I believe)

    Kessel gives up more than he produces.

    Could they do Lucic+8th overall+? Fenton did take Rask off of CAR’s hands. He’s a buyout candidate this summer.

  30. Pescador says:

    Coiler:
    Signing overseas is not the solution for this young man. I think it’s an easy way out for him.

    Maybe he (and his agent) read the tea leaves with Holland’s/Tippett’s arrival?Maybe he doesn’t want to do the hard work required for the NHL game? Either way it’s a shame.

    This is an interesting question, Why is it considered such a terrible option?
    Every year there are numerous players in the Euro leagues that are pursued by NHL teams.
    If Puljujarvi plys his trade elsewhere next season that doesn’t mean the story with the Oilers is done forever.
    There are a lot of prospects that have matriculated in Europe before arriving in the NHL at ahe 21 -22.
    Of course none of them were jerked around by the team that drafted them .
    Unless you see the parallels with Radulov.
    Seeing as how the Oilers screwed the pooch on JP’s eligibility for the AHL, I can see the benefit of him finding his game in a lesser league.
    Oilers retain his rights & have the option of bringing Jesse back after his fulfills his contract.
    Or trade him, but don’t you have to try first?

  31. dustrock says:

    Jaxon,

    Newhook is the one guy where I think it’s too risky at #8 but man he could be Barzal in 2019 and 30 other teams going “Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc….”

  32. GMB3 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Frolik + 2019 1st (27th overall I believe)

    Kessel gives up more than he produces.

    Could they do Lucic+8th overall+? Fenton did take Rask off of CAR’s hands. He’s a buyout candidate this summer.

    Frolik + Bennett I thought

  33. godot10 says:

    Pescador: This is an interesting question, Why is it considered such a terrible option?
    Every year there are numerous players in the Euro leagues that are pursued by NHL teams.
    If Puljujarvi plys his trade elsewhere next season that doesn’t mean the story with the Oilers is done forever.
    There are a lot of prospects that have matriculated in Europe before arriving in the NHL at ahe 21 -22.
    Of course none of them were jerked around by the team that drafted them .
    Unless you see the parallels with Radulov.
    Seeing as how the Oilers screwed the pooch on JP’s eligibility for the AHL, I can see the benefit of him finding his game in a lesser league.
    Oilers retain his rights & have the option of bringing Jesse back after his fulfills his contract.
    Or trade him, but don’t you have to try first?

    Jesse’s agent needs a legitimate European offer in hand so he can ignore the QO, and head into July looking for an offer sheet at the 3rd round compensation level.($1.4-$2.1 million). and force the Oilers into the $1.5 million dollar range to sign him.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    GMB3: Frolik + Bennett I thought

    I’ve read it changed to that post-deadline.

    Think I’d rather have 27th overall than Bennett. Easily replaceable.

  35. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Fully agree with you and OP here. The only palatable trade of JP would be as a piece in a bigger deal to land a roster player.

  36. Mr DeBakey says:

    godot10: If you are trying to force a trade out of Edmonton draft week, a rumour out of Finland that you will sign there July 1 is a smart thing to do.

    The message from the agent to Holland “Take your 2nd round pick for Puljujarvi now.”

    All the Oilers need to do is give Puljujarvi is QO and sit back and see what happens.
    If he signs with another NHL team, match and play him on the 3rd line with Benson and a responsible Center [Filppula].
    But
    Probably the best thing is that he signs in Europe for next season.
    His road back to the NHL runs through Edmonton.
    Hopoefully a season there polishes him up a little.

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: Fenton was asking for Boeser out of Vancouver for Zucker. He was asking for Kessel out of Pittsburgh.He is not giving him away for two AHL’ers and a 3rd round draft pick.

    Asking and receiving are two very different things sometimes.

  38. Bag of Pucks says:

    Right now,, it looks very unlikely that Jesse will hit his lottery draft projection as a top line winger. They wanted a driver and they got a passenger.

    With that in mind, i think rather than trading him for another draft pick with a fractional % of paying out, trade him to a team with excess depth that will give you a 3L contributor in exchange for the possibility of Jesse becoming a 2L guy.

    I’m thinking guys like Fabbri, Grimaldi, Paquette.

    You could plug & play a guy like that onto the Oiler roster now and they still are young enough where the potential for more offense exists. Grimaldi for instance had the kind of playoff series for the Preds where he looks like he’s about to breakout as an offensive player.

    Other than draft pedigree and small sample size encouragements, there is absolutely nil evidence to believe Jesse will become the player his draft buzz promised.

    Stop wishful thinking and get a useful player in return asap.

  39. Visually better says:

    2 years from now:

    Nuge McDavid dach
    Hall Draisaitl puljujarvi
    Benson Marody Brown
    Currie khaira Maksimov

    Klefbom Barrie
    Jones larsson
    Samoroukov Bouchard

    Laggesson
    Persson

    – Trade Nurse for Barrie
    – Draft Dach 8 Ov
    – Use bear, Yamamoto and any combo of 2/3rd round picks to move lucic
    – Trade Russell/Benning for solid winger ( ex, Connor brown)
    – Let Sekeras contract run out, or trade at deadline for picks
    – use lucic/Russell/sekera money to sign hall in free agency

    This is plausible and could be an incredible amount of talent on one team with cheap young talented payers providing depth roles

  40. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Jesse’s only 20, he was too good for the AHL at 19. I think with patience, and proper usage/linemates he will be fine.

  41. Hitman77 says:

    dustrock:
    Jaxon,

    Newhook is the one guy where I think it’s too risky at #8 but man he could be Barzal in 2019 and 30 other teams going “Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc….”

    I’d take Newhook at #8.

  42. Coiler says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Right now,, it looks very unlikely that Jesse will hit his lottery draft projection as a top line winger. They wanted a driver and they got a passenger.

    With that in mind, i think rather than trading him for another draft pick with a fractional % of paying out, trade him to a team with excess depth that will give you a 3L contributor in exchange for the possibility of Jesse becoming a 2L guy.

    I’m thinking guys like Fabbri, Grimaldi, Paquette.

    You could plug & play a guy like that onto the Oiler roster now and they still are young enough where the potential for more offense exists. Grimaldi for instance had the kind of playoff series for the Preds where he looks like he’s about to breakout as an offensive player.

    Other than draft pedigree and small sample size encouragements, there is absolutely nil evidence to believe Jesse will become the player his draft buzz promised.

    Stop wishful thinking and get a useful player in return asap.

    Well put. Hard to argue with that logic.

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    There’s 2 common mistakes people make when buying & selling assets.

    1) They pay too much to acquire the asset.
    2) Because they paid too much, they hold the asset too long while it depreciates believing they and not the market set the return. The first mistake feeds the second, because most human beings are not psychologically wired to effectively cut their losses.

    Modern neuriscience shows that when presented with a potential loss vs a potential gain of equal value, human beings rate the potential of loss as greater. In short, we are naturally risk averse to eat a loss, even if it saves us a greater loss in the longterm. You can thank your lizard brain survival instincts for this.

    Which is a roundabout way of saying that the time to sell Jesse is now. The odds are stronger of him being a bust than they are of him having a miraculous turnaround. So liquidate the asset accordingly.

    We already know the Oil paid too much based on what Tkachuk has produced post draft vs JP. Holland shouldn’t compound the error by chasing his losses. This is the benefit of a new GM. He can move on from these failures prudently with no egg on his own face.

  44. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Tapdog:
    LOL anyone catch Global News Edm this morning and specifically the Bryan Hall clip
    As serious as ever he leans in and says……. Taylor Hall wants to come back to Edm……. lol then he goes on to add the Oilers are also in on Kadri from the Leafs because the Leafs are in Cap trouble oh my…..
    Got to love the fella, just had to share

    I saw that too. Had a little chuckle afterwards 🤣
    I know he likes to speak his mind a lot, but geez. I also remember seeing the News anchors arguing with him over Oilers stuff in the past where you can tell they’re totally holding themselves back from calling BS on the air.

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    Coiler: Well put. Hard to argue with that logic.

    Oh I’m sure someone will find a way 😏

    And that’s half the fun.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    Bag of Pucks: Which is a roundabout way of saying that the time to sell Jesse is now. The odds are stronger of him being a bust than they are of him having a miraculous turnaround. So liquidate the asset accordingly.

    Now, just when he’s coming off an injury-plagued season which was cut short by surgery from which he is still recovering? Now, when nobody has any idea what level he will be at next fall due to the aforementioned occurrences? I can hardly imagine a WORSE time to sell than now.

  47. theWaxCollector says:

    Hitman77: lot

    I was just thinking the same thing yesterday, Newhook could be this years Barzal.

    I’d move down to Minny’s #12 and pick Newhook, Kaliyev, Krebs, or Caufield.
    Swap Spurgeon for Sekera

  48. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    I’m thinking guys like Fabbri, Grimaldi, Paquette.

    Stop wishful thinking and get a useful player in return asap.

    – Your kind of on both sides with this

    – If you can get one of those players for Pool sure, I think your shopping in the wrong department store for Pool though: 2nd round draft picks are are at the Honest Ed’s

    – So there is no wishfull thinking: if he’s the next Yak you let it play out: as your not getting a roster player that helps the team next year, IMO

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Your kind of on both sides with this

    – If you can get one of those players for Pool sure, I think your shopping in the wrong department store for Pool though: 2nd round draft picks are are at the Honest Ed’s

    – So there is no wishfull thinking: if he’s the next Yak you let it play out: as your not getting a roster player that helps the team next year, IMO

    Fabbri is not playing for the Blues now. Grimaldi has been a fringe starter for the Preds.

    I think a GM might part with a fringe roster player if they think JP still has Top 6 upside and the Oil have bungled his development. The Oilers got Perron for Paajarvi plus a sweetener.

    The good thing about targeting the deep good teams is their fringe players are likely an immediate contributor on the Oilers given their putrid bottom 6.

  50. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    @Munny

    I really like the design, sorry for not seeing it until today!

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    ArmchairGM: Now, just when he’s coming off an injury-plagued season which was cut short by surgery from which he is still recovering? Now, when nobody has any idea what level he will be at next fall due to the aforementioned occurrences? I can hardly imagine a WORSE time to sell than now.

    Compare him to Enron stock when the rumors first start swirling. The asset can actually depreciate much much more.

    Right now, he’s the possibility of a bust. That’s worth more than the certainty of a bust.

  52. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Puljujarvi is like Bitcoin when it was a dollar, the asset will blossom & the acquirer will be rich in 5 years.

    Or he’s a 20YO hockey player. Dylan Strome was Enron stock too.

  53. Munny says:

    Little Johnny Frostbite:
    @Munny

    I really like the design, sorry for not seeing it until today!

    No worries, bro. It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

    I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see. Don’t want to step on his toes.

    And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top. Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom. Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

    Things I’ve considered for the top:

    Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
    Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    Sideburns and Shineboxes
    Regress(ing) to the Meat
    Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore
    Home of the Camping Box
    Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
    Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
    Surviving the Decade of Darkness (might be too many letters)

    Any other good ones?

  54. Jaxon says:

    Munny: No worries, bro.It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

    I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see.Don’t want to step on his toes.

    And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top.Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom.Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

    Things I’ve considered for the top:

    Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
    Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    Sideburns and Shineboxes
    Regress(ing) to the Meat
    Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore
    Home of the Camping Box
    Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
    Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
    Surviving the Decade of Darkness(might be too many letters)

    Any other good ones?

    Leftorium!

  55. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    Munny,

    Love Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    and
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore (although I’d put Al Gores)

    And I especially love the Music! since…on the bottom.

  56. jimmers2 says:

    Munny: No worries, bro.It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

    I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see.Don’t want to step on his toes.

    And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top.Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom.Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

    Things I’ve considered for the top:

    Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
    Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    Sideburns and Shineboxes
    Regress(ing) to the Meat
    Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore
    Home of the Camping Box
    Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
    Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
    Surviving the Decade of Darkness(might be too many letters)

    Any other good ones?

    Grab yer banana hammock, shine boy!

    Clap Clap!

  57. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Munny,

    Calm your tits!
    We wait
    This is us
    Defensemen/prospects don’t develop in a straight line
    MAP was a player
    Since exactly one forever
    Making decisions for reasons other than winning since (xxxx)
    I blame Woodguy’s phone
    At a certain point you develop a past
    Too much month at the end of the money (Munny? 😉 )

    The possibilities are nearly endless.

  58. PennersPancakes says:

    dustrock:
    Jaxon,

    Newhook is the one guy where I think it’s too risky at #8 but man he could be Barzal in 2019 and 30 other teams going “Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc….”

    Genuinely curious because I havent seen much of Newhook. Why do you believe hes closer to Barzal than say Jost who put up almost identical boxcars in the BCHL?

  59. Munny says:

    Jaxon: Leftorium!

    Good one but it needs a little more length.
    jimmers2,

    I really wanted to get banana hammock on there, but it risks being offensive, maybe? If LT is okay with it though, I would go something like “Al Gore’s Banana Hammock” But this is his rep we’r e talking about, so he needs to be cool with it.

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Munny,

    Calm your tits!
    We wait
    This is us
    Defensemen/prospects don’t develop in a straight line
    MAP was a player
    Since exactly one forever
    Making decisions for reasons other than winning since (xxxx)
    I blame Woodguy’s phone
    At a certain point you develop a past
    Too much month at the end of the money (Munny? 😉 )

    The possibilities are nearly endless.

    Wow, what an awesome list. Could combine two: “”This is us. We wait” Be nice to have more obvious humour though (to the general public). Since exactly one forever repeats the bottom… but could replace the bottom bit? Some of the others are a tad too long.

    I will throw up a Banana Hammock one in a few minutes just for the lulz (no commitment though)

  60. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Munny,

    Just building a word web while we await wearable wares 🙂

  61. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    Munny,

    Long Live the Leftorium

  62. Oilman99 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Jesse’s only 20, he was too good for the AHL at 19. I think with patience, and proper usage/linemates he will be fine.

    If he stays in NA this summer and trains with NHL players, and the proper trainer JP will surprise a lot of people this fall.

  63. Munny says:

    Little Johnny Frostbite:
    Munny,

    Long Live the Leftorium

    Beauty!

    Here’s a banana hammock one. Now that I see it, not sure it works for me. YMMV.

    http://connectweekly.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Lowetide32.jpg

  64. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    Munny,

    That made me laugh, but I’m not sold on banana hammock…looks great though!

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Jesse’s agent needs a legitimate European offer in hand so he can ignore the QO, and head into July looking for an offer sheet at the 3rd round compensation level.($1.4-$2.1 million). and force the Oilers into the $1.5 million dollar range to sign him.

    I just don’t see anyone offer sheeting JP, even at $1.5 mill. The Oilers would match so it would simply be a punitive offer sheet. And that really doesn’t ever happen. Every team has their own projects. I doubt anyone is chomping at the bit to take on another one.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Jesse’s only 20, he was too good for the AHL at 19. I think with patience, and proper usage/linemates he will be fine.

    Why do you say he was too good in the AHL at 19?

  67. Reja says:

    Ben:
    If there’s someone they love there in the teens, wonder if JP+2nd does the trick. Would prefer they get a more seasoned prospect for him. The dream would be JP, 2nd, Bear for Anderson or something like that.

    Been tooting Anderson for 6 months Big Strong and fast scores 35-40 on the new Triple crown line signed for one more year at 1.85 he’s 25 years old. I would trade JP plus plus to see him in Oilers silks. We need to add at least one real winger this offseason I hope holland’s not gonna bank on Projects and shrubs off the Giant Tiger scrap heap while Mcdavid and Leon are hitting their primes.

  68. JimmyV1965 says:

    Reja: Been tooting Anderson for 6 months Big Strong and fast scores 35-40 on the new Triple crown line signed for one more year at 1.85 he’s 25 years old. I would trade JP plus plus to see him in Oilers silks. We need to add at least one real winger this offseason I hope holland’s not gonna bank on Projects and shrubs off the Giant Tiger scrap heap while Mcdavid and Leon are hitting their primes.

    I have. I idea why the Jackets would trade Anderson. He’s one of their best forwards, possibly even their best forward with the departure of Duchene and Panarin.

  69. David says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Munny,

    Calm your tits!
    We wait
    This is us
    Defensemen/prospects don’t develop in a straight line
    MAP was a player
    Since exactly one forever
    Making decisions for reasons other than winning since (xxxx)
    I blame Woodguy’s phone
    At a certain point you develop a past
    Too much month at the end of the money (Munny? )

    The possibilities are nearly endless.

    My favourite thing about Lowetide is his undying love of M.A. Pouliot. (I understand it, for me it is Rob Schremp)

    Followed closely by his hatred of Smid.

  70. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny: YMMV.

    This is a classic too.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Been tooting Anderson for 6 months Big Strong and fast scores 35-40 on the new Triple crown line signed for one more year at 1.85 he’s 25 years old. I would trade JP plus plus to see him in Oilers silks. We need to add at least one real winger this offseason I hope holland’s not gonna bank on Projects and shrubs off the Giant Tiger scrap heap while Mcdavid and Leon are hitting their primes.

    Why would Columbus trade him though?

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: If he stays in NA this summer and trains with NHL players, and the proper trainer JP will surprise a lot of people this fall.

    He is currently in Edmonton working out under a team-supervised training regimen.

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: I have. I idea why the Jackets would trade Anderson. He’s one of their best forwards, possibly even their best forward with the departure of Duchene and Panarin.

    Yup, Holland has to target players who may be available, when due to having a down year or cap constraints or teams that just need a shake up. Guys like Kapanen, Burakovsky, Zucker, Kessel, several Tampa / Vegas forwards and the like. Targeting Anderson is akin to people calling Holland about Draisaitl – he’s likely to just hang up the phone.

  74. Rondo says:

    1. Hughes
    2. Kakko
    3. Byram
    4. Turcotte
    5. Zegras
    6.Cozens
    7. Dach
    8. Krebs

  75. Munny says:

    Okay, enough fun, we’re (I’m) probably embarrassing the living daylights out of LT. I’ve taken the last one down,

    I know this is pretty generic, but I think something along these lines is the way to go:

    http://connectweekly.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Lowetide3F.jpg

  76. Munny says:

    David: Followed closely by his hatred of Smid.

    Ha!

  77. LadiesloveSmid says:

    JimmyV1965: Why do you say he was too good in the AHL at 19?

    Sorry, meant to say at 20.

    Showed up for 4 games & was head and shoulders above the competition. 4 P and 17 SOG.

  78. Nit64 says:

    Munny: No worries, bro.It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

    I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see.Don’t want to step on his toes.

    And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top.Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom.Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

    Things I’ve considered for the top:

    Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
    Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    Sideburns and Shineboxes
    Regress(ing) to the Meat
    Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore
    Home of the Camping Box
    Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
    Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
    Surviving the Decade of Darkness(might be too many letters)

    Any other good ones?

    An older collection here:

    https://lowetide.ca/2015/04/11/oilers-at-canucks-g82-2014-15/comment-page-1/

  79. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: Why would Columbus trade him though?

    I believe they would show interest in Caleb JP and our first or second something centred around that.

  80. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Munny:

    http://connectweekly.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Lowetide3F.jpg

    – It’s a good start: I think it has to incorporate the dinstinctive colours and fonts from the Blog: the Dark Blue and White, etc…Anyway, will be fun to have LT Swag

  81. Nit64 says:

    Munny: Any other good ones?

    ~Why do I have to log in to see the comments ~

    OK this is very weird. Today I can see the comments without logging in?

    What hath Danny wrought?

  82. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I have. I idea why the Jackets would trade Anderson. He’s one of their best forwards, possibly even their best forward with the departure of Duchene and Panarin.

    Who knows what direction the Jackets go this off season they have no draft picks.

  83. pts2pndr says:

    GBandQ:
    Jaxon,

    i hope Caufield lands in our laps at #8.

    We already have a mascot.

  84. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    Broberg’s name wasn’t mentioned until Holland arrived and that’s a tell.

    This is particularly interesting when you consider Holland’s long history of trading down at the draft (as explored by Jonathan today: https://theathletic.com/1011409/2019/06/05/what-a-trade-involving-edmontons-no-8-pick-might-look-like-given-ken-hollands-history/).

    Holland traded down in the first round in almost half (5 out of 12) of his drafts, and generally came away with both the better player, and an extra asset. This suggest that he has both a good eye for talent and an awareness of how his peers value the available players.

    If he genuinely rates Broberg higher than some of the forwards currently in the consensus top ten then he may be looking to move down a few spots figuring he might as well pick up an extra asset if the guy he likes best is not rated as highly by his peers.

    The other possibility with Broberg is that he is one of the Swedish D that makes a late surge up the draft rankings. I remember in the weeks before the 2009 Draft there were suddenly lots of reports that teams loved Oliver Ekman-Larsson, who had been seen as a mid first round guy. And in 2012 Hampus LIndholm had lots of really late buzz (Bob MacKenzie’s final rankings had him 15th. He went 6th).

    If you look at the draft rankings from April, most had Broberg in the late teens. In a lot of the May rankings though, he’s now showing up in the low teens, or even in the top ten. It will be interesting to see where Mackenzie has him next week.

    One thing that’s worth noting about previous surging Swedish D is that even with their surge they were still drafted too low. OEL is probably the third best guy in his class after Tavares and Hedman, and Hampus Lindholm (with Morgan Reilly and Trouba) is one of the three best guys taken in 2012.

  85. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: Fenton was asking for Boeser out of Vancouver for Zucker. He was asking for Kessel out of Pittsburgh.He is not giving him away for two AHL’ers and a 3rd round draft pick.

    The ask is always high but it does not mean that is what he will get. This is part of the bargaining process.

  86. Munny says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Those colours should print darker than they appear on a lit screen.

  87. Jordan says:

    Munny,

    I would suggest some version of “we hoped for the best, but it turned out like always”.

    That holds more truth about this blog over the last decade and a half than any other collection of words I can think of.

    JMO.

  88. Munny says:

    Nit64,

    Thank you. I was exactly thinking of GSO’s picture when I (probably wrongly) gave myself this project.

  89. Munny says:

    Jordan,

    It’s my absolute favourite, but is too long unless we take out the since 2007.

    Also it would, in the context of a Tshirt crest, reflect on Lowetide rather than the Oilers to an unknowing viewer.

  90. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    My favourite from years ago was “Hope Dies Last”

  91. Darth Tu says:

    Marc: This is particularly interesting when you consider Holland’s long history of trading down at the draft (as explored by Jonathan today: https://theathletic.com/1011409/2019/06/05/what-a-trade-involving-edmontons-no-8-pick-might-look-like-given-ken-hollands-history/).

    Holland traded down in the first round in almost half (5 out of 12) of his drafts, and generally came away with both the better player, and an extra asset. This suggest that he has both a good eye for talent and an awareness of how his peers value the available players.

    If he genuinely rates Broberg higher than some of the forwards currently in the consensus top ten then he may be looking to move down a few spots figuring he might as well pick up an extra asset if the guy he likes best is not rated as highly by his peers.

    The other possibility with Broberg is that he is one of the Swedish D that makes a late surge up the draft rankings. I remember in the weeks before the 2009 Draft there were suddenly lots ofreports that teams loved Oliver Ekman-Larsson, who had been seen as a mid first round guy. And in 2012 Hampus LIndholm had lots of really late buzz (Bob MacKenzie’s final rankings had him 15th. He went 6th).

    If you look at the draft rankings from April, most had Broberg in the late teens. In a lot of the May rankings though, he’s now showing up in the low teens, or even in the top ten. It will be interesting to see where Mackenzie has him next week.

    One thing that’s worth noting about previous surging Swedish D is that even with their surge they were still drafted too low. OEL is probably the third best guy in his class after Tavares and Hedman, and Hampus Lindholm (with Morgan Reilly and Trouba) is one of the three best guys taken in 2012.

    Exactly what I was thinking the other day when Broberg first came up. If he’s in love with the Bro-berg, and can move down a few spots then that wouldn’t be out of character for Holland.

    If that move down also includes ditching one of the overpay contracts that’s also very much a Ken Holland thing to do. To be sure on getting Broberg you’d have to think that the Oilers couldn’t drop any lower than 12th pick. Who has cap space in that zone, Vancouver and the Wild?

  92. Nit64 says:

    Munny:
    Nit64,

    Thank you.I was exactly thinking of GSO’s picture when I (probably wrongly) gave myself this project.

    Oilers Nation has done a lot of T-shirt swag. Do they get that close to the Oil logos?

    Rather than Official Team Member up top something with Prospect would be apt.

    Overripe Prospect
    Ungraded Prospect
    Checking Prospect
    Low NHLE Prospect
    Big Boxcar Prospect
    Camping Box Prospect
    Lowetide.ca Prospect
    Music! Prospect
    etc.

    Also like “Developing a past since 2007”

    Music should be prominent but can also stand by itself anywhere.

  93. Primetime says:

    JP often compared to another “failed” 4th overall pick, Sam Bennett.

    Just curious, given Tippet’s desire for fast, aggressive, forechecking players with skill….

    Would anyone trade JP for Bennett straight up? The deal is 1 for 1…

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nit64,

    Oilers Nation has done a lot of T-shirt swag. Do they get that close to the Oil logos?

    No, they do a good job avoiding obvious knock-offs.

    My guess is that OEG would have a trademark issue with what Munny has posted.

    Cool idea but it probably needs to be walked back a bit.

    We (company) own some trademarks and protect them jealousy. I expect a NHL team to be *really really* hot on protecting their property.

  95. jp says:

    Reja: I believe they would show interest in Caleb JP and our first or second something centred around that.

    Good Lord, that really is JP + + for Anderson. Yikes.

  96. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

    Also,

    On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

    Ymmv.

  97. Munny says:

    Nit64: Oilers Nation has done a lot of T-shirt swag. Do they get that close to the Oil logos?

    Rather than Official Team Member up top something with Prospect would be apt.

    Overripe Prospect
    Ungraded Prospect
    Checking Prospect
    Low NHLE Prospect
    Big Boxcar Prospect
    Camping Box Prospect
    Lowetide.ca Prospect
    etc.

    Also like “Developing a past since 2007”

    Music should be prominent but can stand by itself.

    Lol, I was changing it to “Official Draft Pick” while you were posting this. Official Blog Member maybe. Something along those lines.

  98. Nit64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Nit64,

    Oilers Nation has done a lot of T-shirt swag. Do they get that close to the Oil logos?

    No, they do a good job avoiding obvious knock-offs.

    My guess is that OEG would have a trademark issue with what Munny has posted.

    Cool idea but it probably needs to be walked back a bit.

    We (company) own some trademarks and protect them jealousy.I expect a NHL team to be *really really* hot on protecting their property.

    They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

    https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation

  99. pts2pndr says:

    Yeti:
    I would love Patrick Puistola for the Oil! But I wonder whether he’ll be there in the second…
    Here’s Jokke Nevalainen’s verdict from earlier in the winter:
    “In Mestis, Puistola has been excellent, putting up 10 goals and 14 points in 14 games playing often together with undrafted Kristian Tanus and 2020 top prospect Kasper Simontaival. Puistola has high-end puck skills combined with great release and vision. He could be a bit quicker, but his pure skill level is very high. Like Heinola, I could see Puistola getting picked in the late first or early second round.”

    His skating says he shouldn’t be picked higher than fourth or fifth round. The one common theme to those that do not make it in the NHL is skating. When it is recognized as a weakness in his scouting report there should be big warning label attached.

  100. pts2pndr says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

    Also,

    On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

    Ymmv.

    While I generally agree and this is my preference some of the more subtle nuances may be masked when the whiskey is colder.

  101. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

    Also,

    On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

    Ymmv.

    I’m certain we’ve debated this before. IMO the best way to enjoy whisk(e)y is however the hell you like your whisk(e)y.

    Personally I like to try everything neat first and then add a couple drops of water just to see if anything changes. Sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes it needs more, sometimes I find that water absolutely wrecks the drink.

    Then again I rarely if ever drink anything below 45% abv and often drink things that are 50% plus, not chill filtered and often single cask or cask strength. To be fair, this also means I rarely have more than an ounce or two in a night. Water is great because even two drops can dramatically change the subtle flavours and, as the article correctly implies, bring certain phenolic compounds to the surface. Rarely do I enjoy my whiskey cold and I find that cubes water it down too much, especially lower proof whiskies like your beloved writers tears, which along with the occasional Redbreast 12 are the only 40% abv whiskies I really enjoy. The lower the proof, the more likely they are chill-filtered, which strips a lot of the oils, fatty acids and esters out of the whisky. You can always tell if it isn’t chill filtered if it goes a bit cloudy when you add ice. Almost nothing above 46% will be filtered in that way (http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whisky_basics/chill_filtration.html)

    Of course everyone is different and I’m not exactly militant about it. Bourbon makes for a great cocktail base, which often (but not always) leads to using ice, same with Rye. And when I’m at my better half’s grandparents’ place, they only have garbage whisky, but if her grandfather offers me a scotch, I’ll happily take it however he hands it to me, which is usually full of ice.

    So, to bring it back to my initial point drink it how you like it, and never forget that it’s better when it’s shared.

  102. Munny says:

    Nit64: They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

    https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation

    We don’t really know their reasons. But I would point out that they have their own logo… and OilersNation would not fit in the centre of an Oiler crest. Also one has to be an absolute masochist to try to letter with the Oiler crest lettering. None of those letters in what I have created are exact replicas of the existing logo, but of course there are strong similarities.

    I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

    I can also place the Lowetide lettering inside of an oildrop, take out the circular idea and banner one of the Lowetidisms across the top of the drop (which actually was my original plan).

  103. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Scientific proof that putting your whiskey over ice or with a splash of water is superior to having it neat:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/503690/why-adding-water-your-whiskey-makes-it-taste-better

    Also,

    On the rocks is superior to water back. Imo.

    Ymmv.

    Taste testing the effects of water and or ice on whiskey,
    Talk about a sweet job,
    I never should have dropped out of scientist school

  104. pts2pndr says:

    Munny: No worries, bro.It has advanced from there, just have the little curly bits left and decisions on words to use.

    I’m just not sure of LT’s thoughts… so I’ve emailed him and we’ll see.Don’t want to step on his toes.

    And I’m not sure what would be best to put across the top.Right now I have Music! Since 2007 on the bottom.Probably will switch the stars for hockey sticks, something like that.

    Things I’ve considered for the top:

    Steak, Scotch and Shineboxes
    Steak, Scotch and Sideburns
    Sideburns and Shineboxes
    Regress(ing) to the Meat
    Oilogosphere’s Mandelbaum
    Stan Weir of the Al Gore
    Home of the Camping Box
    Oilogosphere’s Vaunt
    Oilogosphere’s Harvest Moon
    Surviving the Decade of Darkness(might be too many letters)

    Any other good ones?

    LT’s Commando’s

    Figure of the commando with boom box for back pack, hockey stick for rifle, hockey helmut, and skates for boots.
    Just a thought

  105. Nit64 says:

    Munny: Also one has to be an absolute masochist to try to letter with the Oiler crest lettering

    Or have a very good trademark lawyer. The Oilers Nation ball caps are probably as close as one can get. Borrowing more elements is looking for trouble.

    Context also matters. Logo elements in the upper corner of an Oilogosphere blog might be more like a newspaper using the Oilers logo in a chart. Whereas the same logo in a T-shirt may be objectionable.

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

    Now the oilers have a coach who is firm, but players actually like playing for. Who has a history of getting the best out of players.

    To me the issue is his long term health. If he’s likely to move past the hip issue, it would be risky to move him now. I’d trade any player in the right deal, but dumping a player with such potential in a cap deal or traditional Oiler impatience move has a high chance of whining in 3 years of that it would be awesome to have a 4-5M winger with size skill defensive awareness and speed to play in the top 6.

    He’s going into his 4th season, been brought over too soon and Oilered there after.

    Give him a year of stability and growing confidence in himself and the new regime and then decide. He won’t bring any less later. Probably more if he can gain any sort of traction.

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To me Lucic for Eriksson is straight up. The extra year is offset by Lucic being who he is, the Dys needing a legit heavyweight as their small skill players are getting pushed around, another coming.

    Louie is a light duty player. Neither score recently, same salary, both need a move.

  108. Glovjuice says:

    Ya’ll are stressing LT out. He has probably been stewing all day deciding how to tell Munny that it’s an awesome idea but not for him.

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nit64: They seem to limit themselves to an Oil Drop. Clear. But not protected.

    https://nationgear.ca/collections/all-oilersnation

    I not sure what you mean.

    I noted that ON avoids a knockoff of the logo.

    OEG and the NHL own the Oilers logo so if you knock it off and sell it they might come calling.

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    stephen sheps: I’m certain we’ve debated this before. IMO the best way to enjoy whisk(e)y is however the hell you like your whisk(e)y.

    Personally I like to try everything neat first and then add a couple drops of water just to see if anything changes. Sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes it needs more, sometimes I find that water absolutely wrecks the drink.

    Then again I rarely if ever drink anything below 45% abv and often drink things that are 50% plus, not chill filtered and often single cask or cask strength. To be fair, this also means I rarely have more than an ounce or two in a night. Water is great because even two drops can dramatically change the subtle flavours and, as the article correctly implies, bring certain phenolic compounds to the surface. Rarely do I enjoy my whiskey cold and I find that cubes water it down too much, especially lower proof whiskies like your beloved writers tears, which along with the occasional Redbreast 12 are the only 40% abv whiskies I really enjoy. The lower the proof, the more likely they are chill-filtered, which strips a lot of the oils, fatty acids and esters out of the whisky. You can always tell if it isn’t chill filtered if it goes a bit cloudy when you add ice. Almost nothing above 46% will be filtered in that way (http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whisky_basics/chill_filtration.html)

    Of course everyone is different and I’m not exactly militant about it. Bourbon makes for a great cocktail base, which often (but not always) leads to using ice, same with Rye. And when I’m at my better half’s grandparents’ place, they only have garbage whisky, but if her grandfather offers me a scotch, I’ll happily take it however he hands it to me, which is usually full of ice.

    So, to bring it back to my initial point drink it how you like it, and never forget that it’s better when it’s shared.

    Why do you hate science?

  111. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny,

    I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

    Or the shape of a camping box.

  112. Nit64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I not sure what you mean

    I agree. I was referring to ON using a generic oil drop on those Tees. Smart. Borrowing elements wholesale is asking for trouble. Especially that lettering and the crest elements

  113. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Munny,

    I can remove the oildrop portion of the crest,and make it just a circle, or maybe place a .ca in there or ca in a dot or something like that to make more of a distinction.

    Or the shape of a camping box.

    Ha! Other than a box, what shape would that be though?

  114. Munny says:

    Nit64,

    It’s far better to be safe than sorry.

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nit64: I agree. I was referring to ON using a genericoil drop on those Tees. Smart. Borrowing elements wholesale is asking for trouble. Especially that lettering and the crest elements

    Got it. Thanks

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: Ha!Other than a box, what shape would that be though?

    Those who know would know.

    Also,

    A 3-D box?

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

    Now the oilers have a coach who is firm, but players actually like playing for. Who has a history of getting the best out of players.

    To me the issue is his long term health. If he’s likely to move past the hip issue, it would be risky to move him now. I’d trade any player in the right deal, but dumping a player with such potential in a cap deal or traditional Oiler impatience move has a high chance of whining in 3 years of that it would be awesome to have a 4-5M winger with size skill defensive awareness and speed to play in the top 6.

    He’s going into his 4th season, been brought over too soon and Oilered there after.

    Give him a year of stability and growing confidence in himself and the new regime and then decide. He won’t bring any less later. Probably more if he can gain any sort of traction.

    Agreed with pretty much all of this in particular with what Jesse needs this year in order to “put him in a position to succeed” which is what the coach has professed he does for his players.

    Trading him at this point is silly, we all know that – there is just too much potential value to the Oilers to risk what would be a middling return. Assuming Holland is smart, which he is, Jesse will be an Oiler come October and he needs some consistency – consistency in minutes and linemates – put him somewhere in the top 6 with some skill and roll him out there for at least a third of a season, night in and night out with 12 plus even strength minutes. Allow him to “play” to be creative to make mistakes and the have fun.

    This player may blossom.

    I’m not concerned about his hip as the verbal was that its not that uncommon and generally “fixes” the issue – he should be good to go.

  118. Cahoon says:

    Rondo,

    They have Cozens wayyyy low and soderstrom ahead of Broberg…

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    To me Lucic for Eriksson is straight up. The extra year is offset by Lucic being who he is, the Dys needing a legit heavyweight as their small skill players are getting pushed around, another coming.

    Louie is a light duty player. Neither score recently, same salary, both need a move.

    There are other benefits to Eriksson, and his contract, other than the one year less term:

    – better buyout structure
    – no NMC
    – he can kill penalties – he killed over a minute/game last year and his GA/60 was a fantastic 3.11

    Also, as far as offensive production, I think there is a better chance of Eriksson bouncing back a bit as an Oiler – if he gets a chance in the top 6, I think he could click with one of the higher end guys – don’t know why i think that mind you.

    Actually, check that, his buyout structure is pretty much as egregious as Lucic’s.

  120. Rondo says:

    Cahoon,

    Lots of opinions, but I think Hockey Prospect is the 2nd best at predicting second to Bob McKenzie.

  121. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: A 3-D box?

    Would be easy to make but kind of meaningless to the eye.

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo:
    Hockey ProspectTop 31

    https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-final-2019-nhl-draft-top-31-ranking/

    This list is bunk. Cozens at 14, Broberg at 21 and Lavoie at 25? Yikes.

  123. Jaxon says:

    ArmchairGM: This list is bunk. Cozens at 14, Broberg at 21 and Lavoie at 25? Yikes.

    Yes, but I hope it is the truth up to number 7.

  124. digger50 says:

    Reja: Been tooting Anderson for 6 months Big Strong and fast scores 35-40 on the new Triple crown line signed for one more year at 1.85 he’s 25 years old. I would trade JP plus plus to see him in Oilers silks. We need to add at least one real winger this offseason I hope holland’s not gonna bank on Projects and shrubs off the Giant Tiger scrap heap while Mcdavid and Leon are hitting their primes.

    I like Anderson or that player style. But I would not trade Jessie for him as Jessie may be the exact same player. Big, strong and fast, capable of 30 goals.

    I don’t know the answer for Jessie, but you can see the problem, just no confidence whatsoever.

  125. Jaxon says:

    Scungilli Slushy: When drafted it was said by some that in 5 years JP would be the better player overall than Laine, and that JP wasn’t as close to NHL ready, which obviously he wasn’t.

    Without looking it up I seem to remember JP being a more complete player and being more NHL ready with better size and speed and defensive awareness than Laine, yet Laine had a higher offensive ceiling so was considered a lock at #2. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but that’s the “feels” I have about it.

  126. Glovjuice says:

    Glovjuice top 10 2019:

    1. Kakko
    2. Byram
    3. Kaliyev
    4. Hughes
    5. Broberg
    6. Turcotte
    7. Boldy
    8. Dach
    9. Cozens
    10. Podkolzin

  127. Jaxon says:

    Made a table out of Pronman’s Grading System for his final prospect list for anyone who’s interested:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hNKnmlFMvEbTFjJEAf0Sk_WrDzsvSZaJbYv1i01AnJQ/edit?usp=sharing

    Here’s the article of his top ranked 107 prospects with writeups on each one and grading system explanation:
    https://theathletic.com/970746/2019/05/21/pronmans-2019-nhl-draft-board-top-107-prospects/

    Great stuff. Subscribe.

  128. Jaxon says:

    Glovjuice:
    Glovjuice top 10 2019:

    1. Kakko
    2. Byram
    3. Kaliyev
    4. Hughes
    5. Broberg
    6. Turcotte
    7. Boldy
    8. Dach
    9. Cozens
    10. Podkolzin

    Nice. Is this your prediction of the draft or how a redraft will look in 5 years?

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rondo:
    Cahoon,

    Lots of opinions, but I think Hockey Prospect is the 2nd best at predicting second to Bob McKenzie.

    I would hope McKenzie’s list is accurate as its the official list of 10 plus team’s scouts and averaged.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: Without looking it up I seem to remember JP being a more complete player and being more NHL ready with better size and speed and defensive awareness than Laine, yet Laine had a higher offensive ceiling so was considered a lock at #2. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but that’s the “feels” I have about it.

    I was going to state something along those lines in my previous response to this post – i have seen/read/heard multiple of each, the exact opposite – multiple reports that he would need time but could be the better player in 4-5 years and other reports that he was ready.

  131. Munny says:

    Glovjuice:
    Ya’ll are stressing LT out. He has probably been stewing all day deciding how to tell Munny that it’s an awesome idea but not for him.

    Judging by his email to me he’s not stressed… but doesn’t want to break any laws (none of us do) and is unsure how well swag would sell.

  132. Jaxon says:

    Would anyone pick Dominic Fensore at #38 and then convert him to a winger?

  133. Glovjuice says:

    Jaxon: Nice. Is this your prediction of the draft or how a redraft will look in 5 years?

    5 years:

    1. Math against men
    2. Ultra skating D that aren’t small and don’t suck.
    3. Math.

    I think Krebs might be the one I miss on. He was good in tournaments but those in-season maths suck.

  134. Jaxon says:

    Who are the NHL-ready picks this year?

    Most complete game with fairly elite speed, high IQ, adequate size, physicality: Cozens, Turcotte, and maybe Byram? Harder for D, but Byram is pretty elite.

    Elite picks:
    Kakko? Hughes? Can their elite talent overcome any challenges?

    Adequate speed, decent physicality, good IQ:
    Dach? Beecher? Harley? Seider? Broberg? – probably not talented enough at this stage.

    Issues for top picks:
    Hughes and Caufield are small and not very physical
    Kakko, Podkolzin, Kaliyev, Boldy and Dach aren’t very fast (not slow, just not fast)
    Newhook’s competition jump from BCHL
    Seider, Broberg, Kakko and Podkolzin have to adjust to N. American ice surfaces
    Caufield’s size and he has decent speed but not elite speed
    Krebs, Zegras, and Suzuki aren’t very fast (not slow either) or physical

    I’d say Cozens, Turcotte, and Byram are most likely to start in the NHL and have decent rookie seasons.

    After the combine, there’s a lot of buzz about Seider’s state of mind. Many teams seem very impressed with him. He might climb, but will definitely need some adjustment time. Probably best to get out of Germany though. Maybe join the WHL?

  135. Jaxon says:

    Glovjuice: 5 years:

    1. Math against men
    2. Ultra skating D that aren’t small and don’t suck.
    3. Math.

    I think Krebs might be the one I miss on. He was good in tournaments but those in-season maths suck.

    Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

  136. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Warriors are in a bit of trouble now: for real. Only one day off between games: two guys out

    – Raptors are just way better than this Warriors lineup, not even close.

  137. Glovjuice says:

    Jaxon: Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

    Cheers.

    Yeah, Turcotte could go up over Broberg and Cozens probably over Dach. I do think Boldy covers my bet and I have a feeling (no math) that he covers a bit higher. I’m sure kaliyev is as good as that Tchaupchuck in Calgary.

  138. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: Actually, check that, his buyout structure is pretty much as egregious as Lucic’s.

    Yes. That proposed trade provides no significant benefit to the Oilers until year 4. The Oilers need Cap relief now; a lot can change in 4 years.

    Lucic buyout Cap hit in years 1 thru 4: $3.625 $5.625 $4.125 $5.625

    Eriksson buyout hit i years 1 thru 4: $5.556 $5.556 $3.556 $0.556

    Lucic turns 31 in June and would have to waive his NMC ( he likely would ). Eriksson turns 34 in July and would have to waive his NTC; would he rather spend his winters in Vancouver or Edmonton ?

  139. Munny says:

    Jaxon: Great rank. I think I’d have Turcotte and Cozens higher, but otherwise, I really like it and might have something similar. I really don’t like the math on Hughes. He’s 6th on his own team of age peers at 5v5 Primary Points / 60. Would we thing McDavid was elite if he was 6th on a team in any stat?

    I have Kakko ahead of Hughes. After that I’m nowhere near as sure… I think Kaliyev has a seriously good chance to be a better player than Hughes and Byram could be too, although D are tougher to project and I think his ceiling is more unknown.

    I like Turcotte a lot and I like Cozens. Talent-wise, NHL projection-wise, I think those five are the cream of the draft, along with Hughes.

    But if I’m picking first, I’m taking Kakko.

    With Holland at the helm, I would not be surprised to see Kaliyev taken 8th.

  140. Professor Q says:

    RonnieB: Yes. That proposed trade provides no significant benefit to the Oilers until year 4. The Oilers need Cap relief now; a lot can change in 4 years.

    Lucic buyout Cap hit in years 1 thru 4: $3.625 $5.625 $4.125 $5.625

    Eriksson buyout hit i years 1 thru 4: $5.556 $5.556 $3.556 $0.556

    Lucic turns 31 in June and would have to waive his NMC ( he likely would ). Eriksson turns 34 in July and would have to waive his NTC; would he rather spend his winters in Vancouver or Edmonton ?

    Eriksson only has 3 years left.

  141. Ribs says:

    What a thread to get in late on. Awesome stuff, Munny. Some LT swag would be great. I’ve been meaning to research how to make this feasible but haven’t had much luck. Do you have a particular supplier in mind?

  142. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Makes no sense to me, production is roughly a wash, assuming both players have a bounce in a new city.

    Doesn’t help this year’s cap on iota, which is the real reason we’d move Lucic, especially with Holland’s MO of adding primarily through FA.

    Buyout is just as bad.

    Older player with similar cap hit and declining performance concerns will he harder to trade even with no NMC. Despite how he played here outside the first season, Lucic is still a name player and some teams will have an interest based on grit and leadership alone.

    As much as some fans just want to dump Lucic, I don’t see Holland making a bad trade just to get rid of him.

    I’d say no on any trade that doesn’t help our cap, since we can just buy Lucic out and save $2.35M for next season and the rising salary cap and expiring contacts will mitigate the nastiness of buyout years 2 and 4.

  143. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Why do you hate science?

    ha! I think I even included different science in my post… and I am a scientist (well, a social scientist… so you’re probably right, I do hate science)

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Makes no sense to me, production is roughly a wash, assuming both players have a bounce in a new city.

    Doesn’t help this year’s cap on iota, which is the real reason we’d move Lucic, especially with Holland’s MO of adding primarily through FA.

    Buyout is just as bad.

    Older player with similar cap hit and declining performance concerns will he harder to trade even with no NMC. Despite how he played here outside the first season, Lucic is still a name player and some teams will have an interest based on grit and leadership alone.

    As much as some fans just want to dump Lucic, I don’t see Holland making a bad trade just to get rid of him.

    I’d say no on any trade that doesn’t help our cap, since we can just buy Lucic out and save $2.35M for next season and the rising salary cap and expiring contacts will mitigate the nastiness of buyout years 2 and 4.

    The one year less term is material.

    The lack of a NMC is material (in particular with the expansion draft).

    His ability to PK (and actually have success) is a plus over Lucic.

    I dont’ know if he’ll rebound at all but I can see his skill set fitting in with Leon or McDavid or Nuge – I don’t see Lucic bouncing back offensively at all.

    No, its not the ideal way to get rid of Lucic as there is no immediate opening up of space but I do think its a net plus.

  145. RonnieB says:

    Professor Q: Eriksson only has 3 years left.

    3 years on contract but 6 years on buyout, which is what my post compare to Lucic buyout. I didn’t bother to go past 4 years because the Cap hits are a wash after 4 years.

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