Teenage Wasteland

by Lowetide

Craig Button’s final list is out today and if you’re an Oilers fan it would be a good idea to have a look. Over the last three drafts, Button’s list does a very good job of tracking Edmonton’s picks. What does that mean? Well, chances are the player chose No. 8 overall will be close to that number on Button’s list. It’s a fascinating trend, not because of the first rounders, but because it doesn’t stop there.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The top five players the Oilers could lose in the expansion draft
  • New Jonathan Willis: What a trade involving Edmonton’s No. 8 pick might look like given Ken Holland’s history
  • New LowetideHard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How a third-line grinder launched the star-filled Oilers to their first Stanley Cup and a hockey dynasty.
  • Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland steadfast that buck stops with him as new Oilers GM.
  • Lowetide: How will Ken Holland proceed in Year 1 as Oilers general manager?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Prioritizing the roster issues that await Ken Holland in Edmonton.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s procurement list for his rumored move to Edmonton will include front-office personnel
  • Jonathan Willis: A Milan Lucic trade is at the top of the to-do list for the Oilers’ next GM.

BUTTON AND THE OILERS

Edmonton selects No. 8, 38 and 85 this June. Probably a good idea to pay attention to the names in range that remain on the board when the Oilers pick in Vancouver. If Edmonton grabs the numbers from Button’s March list, Oilers will walk away with Alex Turcotte (No. 8), Phillip Tomasino (No. 38) and Layton Ahac (No. 85). Helluva take.

JESSE’S COMPS

In year one, JP’s closest comp was Mikko Rantanen. Both men spent their draft years in the Sm-Liiga, and both men showed enough offensive ability to be considered solid contributors in a men’s league. Rantanen was 18 years, 239 days on his draft day, Puljujarvi was 18 years, 48 days on his draft day. Puljujarvi went 4-5-9 in 10 playoff games.

Year two has a couple of reasonable comparable, I think William Nylander is the closest to Puljujarvi’s totals in draft +1. No NHL games for Toronto’s prospect, that’s something to keep in mind moving forward.

Year three sees the other three men stepping forward and Puljujarvi reaching an offensive plateau. Puljujarvi wasn’t productive enough to stay in the range with Pastrnak as a young NHL player.

Year four and Jesse is a stone alone. Not the good kind, the Bill Wyman kind.

When people discuss Puljujarvi’s shortcomings, all kinds of things come into play. A word cloud might include “instincts”, “immature”, “communication issues” and “problems learning” and they may all hit the nail on the head. However, when we talk about results, the numbers, I feel we can speak in more concrete terms.

One of the first questions I ask about a young player is the following: Is there any spot in the lineup where he has shown signs of success? In the case of JP, the answer is yes.

JP with 97 2016-17 5-on-5: 0-4-4 in 84:01 (2.86)

JP with 97 2017-18 5-on-5: 5-3-8 in 256:57 (1.87)

JP with 97 2018-19 5-on-5: 1-1-2 in 66:46 (1.80)

That works out to 6-8-14 (2.06 5-on-5 per 60 in 407:44) and that’s a productive player. Now, is JP the most productive RW for 97? I doubt the player feels that way and two coaches have had different ideas. Ty Rattie went 6-9-15 in 402:55 (2.23), that’s a stronger number and I do think McDavid had good chem with Rattie.

If I’m Ken Holland, and can convince Puljujarvi to return, I’d bring up the idea of running the big Finn with McDavid for at least 250 minutes 5-on-5 next season. At the very least, he’d have increased trade value next summer. That’s what Sam Pollock would do. Sometimes a manager and coach have to put away ‘making a young player earn the opportunity’ to get the most from a valuable asset. I wrote about Puljujarvi in April for The Athletic here.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but Pronman’s pick for Edmonton seems to have some momentum as the actual selection. No idea where this is coming from, but no one mentioned his name before Ken Holland arrived at Fort Edmonton.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re back this morning with another edition of the Lowdown at 10 on TSN1260. Julian Edlow will join us from Draft Kings at 10:20 to talk Raptors, and Frank Seravalli from TSN hits the airwaves at 11:05 to talk SCF, free agency and just how close to the Blues came to being blown up in the middle of the 2018-19 season. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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GMB3

ArmchairGM: The contract is a risk. Pretty sure Gagner produced at similar rates last season and he’s generally considered a liability due to earning $3.15M.

Lol

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: It doesn’t quite work that way.

Current cap space is calculated without reference to any of the soon to be UFAs or RFAs

The Oilers have apx $9.5M of cap space with the need to sign 5 players.

One of those players will be a 1B goalie which will likely cost apx $2.5M – $3M leaving four players and apx $6.5M of cap space.

Two of those players will be Jesse and Khaira for apx $2.5M combined leaving about $4M of cap space for 2 players.

There is no cap space to make a material acquisition without disposing of cap space.

I would make reference to not being a genius to figure this out but figure I personally don’t need to be a pretentious dink this morning.

If you can’t find cap space for a player like Ehlers on a very nice $6 mill deal because you need to make room for JP and JK, maybe you shouldn’t be GM. All these things are doable and you know that. Using the cap space argument is a convenient crutch to argue with. You don’t want to trade the 8OV and that’s fine.

OilSafety

Lets bring in fellow fin Haula as 3C and put Jesse on his wing. Find a veteran proven player with tread on the tires for the left side.

russ99

OriginalPouzar,

Where are we getting the cap space to add?

I assume we’ll need to add to get back a good player for Lucic, maybe not for an average Tippett-style player.

The shot for numbers see Benning way better than I do, and I see him as a liabilty on our zone, especially if he’s last guy back. If you think otherwise, we’ll have to disagree, plus he’s Chia’s guy, and the new GM has no attachment to how Chia’s 94’s and NCAA pickups do.

Sekera is 33 tomorrow (skating decline age) after a major surgery on each leg, can’t understand how anyone doesn’t see that this is a risky player to keep at $5.5 for two more years, and that’s too much cap for third pair. Kinda hard to mentor the kids if he can’t stay or the ice or loses more wheels.

Preferably he’d be traded, but the return can’t be too good, see above, and we’d need to take cap back. Two years left is the prime buyout timing, see the article in The Athletic. We’d save $3M each of the next two years.

Not to mention Russell will be a good trade chip for cap space rich, cash poor teams at the deadline due to his lesser salary in the last year of his contract, and if we keep him until next summer, his trade protection degrades further. Also, Russell can still skate, and both shot metrics and boxcars say he can perform better on his natural left side. Not to mention he likely will play less reckless in Tippett’s systems where defense is played as a 5-man unit. He’s out within a year at the latest but we should be smart about when we move him. If the kids come up like gangbusters, move him in December.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965: If the salary cap goes up $3 mill or even $2 mill you don’t exactly need to be Einstein to figure out a way to make it work. If the cap goes up $3 mill and you replace Reider with Ehlers there’s $5 mill.

It doesn’t quite work that way.

Current cap space is calculated without reference to any of the soon to be UFAs or RFAs

The Oilers have apx $9.5M of cap space with the need to sign 5 players.

One of those players will be a 1B goalie which will likely cost apx $2.5M – $3M leaving four players and apx $6.5M of cap space.

Two of those players will be Jesse and Khaira for apx $2.5M combined leaving about $4M of cap space for 2 players.

There is no cap space to make a material acquisition without disposing of cap space.

I would make reference to not being a genius to figure this out but figure I personally don’t need to be a pretentious dink this morning.

Pouzar

If I’m Holland I am in Chevy’s ear all day about how the Oil have the answer to their Right D problems!

I will continue to dream of a Perrault for Russell swap NMCs be damned!

Also lots of parts to consider a move for Roslovic as well. There is your 3rd line RC and top 6 winger.

jp

ArmchairGM: He has played 5 seasons in the NHL and a couple of part seasons.If you look at the 5 he has averaged about 40 points each year.

IMO his more recent performance should be weighted, but as you wish.

SwedishPoster

A very doubtful rumour out of Sweden places finnish D Kristian Näkyvä in Edmonton, he’s played the last few seasons in the SHL. Smallish two way D but leaning more towards the offensive side, good skater and puckmover. He’s a good SHL D but the rumour doesn’t really make sense to me as he’s 28 year old who’s been good but not amazing in the SHL. The source is kinda dodgy so take it with a bucket of salt.
But maybe Holland is trolling media by adding players with names that are impossible to pronounce for english speakers without butchering.

ArmchairGM

jp: I was responding to a post that said Zucker “averages about 40 points per year” by providing his actual average (51 points) is over the last 3 years. The numbers by year are 47, 64 and 42. 47 is pretty close to 50. If you want to discount his best season and say he’s a 42-47 point player that’s fine, though I’m not sure it’s more honest or accurate. Personally I’d project him for ‘about’ 50 points (45-55) based on his own recent past.

He has played 5 seasons in the NHL and a couple of part seasons. If you look at the 5 he has averaged about 40 points each year.

ArmchairGM

JimmyV1965: If the salary cap goes up $3 mill or even $2 mill you don’t exactly need to be Einstein to figure out a way to make it work. If the cap goes up $3 mill and you replace Reider with Ehlers there’s $5 mill.

It’s going up $3.5M to $83M as far as I know.

jp

OriginalPouzar: It may be correct to say he’s averaged 51 points but is it being honest?Is that number not scewed by his one 64 point year which is 17 points more than he’s managed in any other year? It seems that year may be the aberration points wise as he seems to be a 42-27 point player other than the one year.

To be clear, this post isn’t even against the acquisition of Zucker but simply providing the additional context on the traditional box cars as I’m not sure counting on 50 plus points as his norm is correct.

It seems his fancies trump his general production.

I was responding to a post that said Zucker “averages about 40 points per year” by providing his actual average (51 points) is over the last 3 years. The numbers by year are 47, 64 and 42. 47 is pretty close to 50. If you want to discount his best season and say he’s a 42-47 point player that’s fine, though I’m not sure it’s more honest or accurate. Personally I’d project him for ‘about’ 50 points (45-55) based on his own recent past.

Professor Q

Everyone forgets about the Expansion Draft, too, with all these draft pick and prospect oustings.

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: and trading the 8th also requires a corresponding move to open up the cap space for the additional $6M.

If the salary cap goes up $3 mill or even $2 mill you don’t exactly need to be Einstein to figure out a way to make it work. If the cap goes up $3 mill and you replace Reider with Ehlers there’s $5 mill.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965: I would love to have Ehlers and I would trade the 8OV to do it. I’m not trading Klef to do it. You’re digging a hole to fill another hole.

and trading the 8th also requires a corresponding move to open up the cap space for the additional $6M.

OriginalPouzar

who: You make some good points.
Klefbom is our best dman on a value contract for 4 more years. All true. But hear me out.
Is Klefbom that much better than Nurse, or a healthy Sekera? Is he really a stud dman?
My reasoning is talent in on defense will equal talent out. It’s just that Broberg may take 4 or 5 years to get to Klefboms level . In the meantime you have Sekera and Russell to get through the next 2 years, and hopefully Jones and Samarukov and maybe Lagesson to take it from there. It’s interesting that the concerns regarding Broberg still show up in Klefboms game from time to time. Hockey IQ, vision, offensive and defensiveinsincts. In some ways they are very much alike.
The kicker here is Ehlers. People who are longing for Taylor Hall should take a long look at this guy. Very similar skill sets and playing styles. He is also signed for the next 6 years at 6AAV. I think that will be a value contract as well. I’d rather pay him 6 million a year than pay Connelly or Nyquist 4 or 5 million.
Bottom line for me is this;
If the Oilers choose a dman with 8OV they need to find another way to add an impact forward.This seems like a good bet to me.

I guess my point is that drafting Broberg doesn’t really allow them to trade Klefbom at this point in time any more than drafting any other player because drafting Broberg has not effect on the NHL lineup for at least 2 if not 3 or more years.

If your position is that there is adequate cover to trade Klefbom for a forward, so be it, I’m just positing that drafting Broberg doesn’t really provide any sort of cover for years.

As far as having such cover, one could make the argument that Nurse provides cover for Klefbom and that Sekera provides cover for Nurse, and Jones or Lagesson provide cover for Sekera but it would be a downgrade because (a) everyone if moved up a spot, (b) Jones/Lagesson are still unproven and (c) all injury cover is lost.

My position is to wait until we are sure of the progression of at least one of the prospects proving NHL readiness and maybe even top 4 readiness prior to trading one of the core defenders (Nurse, Klefbom, Larsson) – this may be 6 months, a year, two year.

OriginalPouzar

jp:
I don’t agree the Zucker deal (edit: contract) is a risk. As you say, he’s 27 and signed for 4 more years. He’ll turn 31 for just the last 3 months of the deal, that’s basically all prime years.

Over the past 3 seasons he’s averaged 25G, 26A, 51PTS, +11. He’s also been among the top 4 Wild players over that span in every single one of CF%, FF%, SF%, GF%, xGF%, SCF%, HDSCF% while getting negative OZ starts. Also plays pretty tough competition and his DFF% has been better than 55% for each of the last 3 years.

This is a very good player. IMO that deal would be a huge win for the Oilers. I don’t expect it would be a competitive offer from the Wild’s POV, and I don’t know why they would need to take on Gagner’s contract in addition.

It may be correct to say he’s averaged 51 points but is it being honest? Is that number not scewed by his one 64 point year which is 17 points more than he’s managed in any other year? It seems that year may be the aberration points wise as he seems to be a 42-27 point player other than the one year.

To be clear, this post isn’t even against the acquisition of Zucker but simply providing the additional context on the traditional box cars as I’m not sure counting on 50 plus points as his norm is correct.

It seems his fancies trump his general production.

JimmyV1965

who: You make some good points.
Klefbom is our best dman on a value contract for 4 more years. All true. But hear me out.
Is Klefbom that much better than Nurse, or a healthy Sekera? Is he really a stud dman?
My reasoning is talent in on defense will equal talent out. It’s just that Broberg may take 4 or 5 years to get to Klefboms level . In the meantime you have Sekera and Russell to get through the next 2 years, and hopefully Jones and Samarukov and maybe Lagesson to take it from there. It’s interesting that the concerns regarding Broberg still show up in Klefboms game from time to time. Hockey IQ, vision, offensive and defensiveinsincts. In some ways they are very much alike.
The kicker here is Ehlers. People who are longing for Taylor Hall should take a long look at this guy. Very similar skill sets and playing styles. He is also signed for the next 6 years at 6AAV. I think that will be a value contract as well. I’d rather pay him 6 million a year than pay Connelly or Nyquist 4 or 5 million.
Bottom line for me is this;
If the Oilers choose a dman with 8OV they need to find another way to add an impact forward.This seems like a good bet to me.

I would love to have Ehlers and I would trade the 8OV to do it. I’m not trading Klef to do it. You’re digging a hole to fill another hole.

who

OriginalPouzar: Its clear they need forwards with scoring pedigree, however, I’m not sure how drafting a d-man that won’t play on the team for at least 2 full seasons, and possibly three (and then likely starts with sheltered minutes), leads to the ability to trade the current 1LD (signed to a value contract for the next 4 years).

I know you mentioned Russell and Sekera as stop gaps in the interim but that that trade would materially decrease the defensive group as a whole.

We’ve seen the impact of losing Klefbom.

You make some good points.
Klefbom is our best dman on a value contract for 4 more years. All true. But hear me out.
Is Klefbom that much better than Nurse, or a healthy Sekera? Is he really a stud dman?
My reasoning is talent in on defense will equal talent out. It’s just that Broberg may take 4 or 5 years to get to Klefboms level . In the meantime you have Sekera and Russell to get through the next 2 years, and hopefully Jones and Samarukov and maybe Lagesson to take it from there. It’s interesting that the concerns regarding Broberg still show up in Klefboms game from time to time. Hockey IQ, vision, offensive and defensive insincts. In some ways they are very much alike.
The kicker here is Ehlers. People who are longing for Taylor Hall should take a long look at this guy. Very similar skill sets and playing styles. He is also signed for the next 6 years at 6AAV. I think that will be a value contract as well. I’d rather pay him 6 million a year than pay Connelly or Nyquist 4 or 5 million.
Bottom line for me is this;
If the Oilers choose a dman with 8OV they need to find another way to add an impact forward. This seems like a good bet to me.

Munny

Jordan,

Rask said pretty much the same post-game. “Happened really fast.” Missed calls tend to even up over the course of a series… if you’re not the Oilers playing the Dinks, I mean Ducks.

Munny

jp,

There is nothing wrong with kicking the tires on Zucker. A GM has to find out the ask for any player that is possibly available and fills a hole. Same with Kadri, Burakowsky, Miller, Cirelli, and all the others. And one never knows what a cap-desperate dance partner might do. Could be full Elaine Bennis.

Reja

leadfarmer:
I still don’t get how refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs especially third period.
A call in first game of season should be a call in 3rd period of finals

They say the Stanley cup is the hardest to win out of all the sports for a reason that’s when the men show what it takes to win. Don’t fret fighting, hitting and passion will be striped from the game soon enough.

jp

ArmchairGM: MN fans would do this deal:

Zucker

for

Yamamoto
Manning or Gagner
2020 2nd round pick

Zucker averages about 40 points per season, is 27 and has 4 more years at $5.5M. There’s some risk involved here even though the ask isn’t terrible IMO.

ArmchairGM: The contract is a risk. Pretty sure Gagner produced at similar rates last season and he’s generally considered a liability due to earning $3.15M.

I don’t agree the Zucker deal (edit: contract) is a risk. As you say, he’s 27 and signed for 4 more years. He’ll turn 31 for just the last 3 months of the deal, that’s basically all prime years.

Over the past 3 seasons he’s averaged 25G, 26A, 51PTS, +11. He’s also been among the top 4 Wild players over that span in every single one of CF%, FF%, SF%, GF%, xGF%, SCF%, HDSCF% while getting negative OZ starts. Also plays pretty tough competition and his DFF% has been better than 55% for each of the last 3 years.

This is a very good player. IMO that deal would be a huge win for the Oilers. I don’t expect it would be a competitive offer from the Wild’s POV, and I don’t know why they would need to take on Gagner’s contract in addition.

Gerta Rauss

The joint will be jumpin’ in St Loo on Sunday

Go Blues..!

Jordan

It’s easy to see it should have been a call in slow motion.

My first reaction watching it live and then at speed again was that bozak was playing the puck and Acciari fell because he had stopped moving his feet.

The refs likely saw it but didn’t see it as a penalty too.

They might feel differently looking at it in slow motion, but that’s not where most of the game is played or called. Tough break for Boston.

OriginalPouzar

I assume they just missed it.

leadfarmer

I still don’t get how refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs especially third period.
A call in first game of season should be a call in 3rd period of finals

RonnieB

JimmyV1965: I wouldn’t trade Klef for Ehlers either, but this is a ridiculous take. Many many players have not scored in the playoffs early in their career and then it changed. Datsyuk says hi.

Maybe we are both trying to use an exception to prove a rule that doesn’t exist.

Rondo
JimmyV1965

RonnieB:
BornInAGretzkyJersey,

I think i read somewhere that he played game 6 with a broken leg.
Edit: He is quoted in the press as saying he suffered a fractured leg when he blocked a shot near the end of Game 5.

Did he have a broken leg last year also when he had zero goals in 15 games ?

I wouldn’t trade Klef for Ehlers either, but this is a ridiculous take. Many many players have not scored in the playoffs early in their career and then it changed. Datsyuk says hi.

leadfarmer

I wonder if a team would be tempted to trade up a few spots for retaining a bit on Lucic contract (3team hypothetical)
I’d be happy if we could draft Broberg and get rid of Lucic while retaining 2 mil or less

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: 3.09 GF/60 (Leon is 3.11 without Nuge).

GA is 3.31/60 (higher for both together than apart).

Less than 300 minutes at 5 on 5 over the three years.

For this past season, 120 of the most high event minutes:

GF/60 – 4.05
GA/60 – 4.56

I can’t say if those minutes were before or after Hitch fixed Drai’s 200 foot game and shift to shift consistency in the defensive and neutral zones.

Are you looking at “on ice” or individual?

OriginalPouzar

who: Just to be clear, I think they should draft a forward at 8OV.
But if they are going to draft Broberg, trading for a forward like Ehlers makes a lot of sense. If JP doesn’t pop, I don’t see another forward in the minorleague system who can carry the play like Ehlers.
Also,wouldn’t it be fair to say that Broberg is just as highly rated as Klefbom was in his draft year? In fact, he’s probably rated higher.

Its clear they need forwards with scoring pedigree, however, I’m not sure how drafting a d-man that won’t play on the team for at least 2 full seasons, and possibly three (and then likely starts with sheltered minutes), leads to the ability to trade the current 1LD (signed to a value contract for the next 4 years).

I know you mentioned Russell and Sekera as stop gaps in the interim but that that trade would materially decrease the defensive group as a whole.

We’ve seen the impact of losing Klefbom.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: I believe that their scoring rates over the past 3 years are quite high.

3.09 GF/60 (Leon is 3.11 without Nuge).

GA is 3.31/60 (higher for both together than apart).

Less than 300 minutes at 5 on 5 over the three years.

For this past season, 120 of the most high event minutes:

GF/60 – 4.05
GA/60 – 4.56

I can’t say if those minutes were before or after Hitch fixed Drai’s 200 foot game and shift to shift consistency in the defensive and neutral zones.

leadfarmer

Munny:
LT said…

If Edmonton grabs the numbers from Button’s March list, Oilers will walk away with Alex Turcotte (No. 8), Phillip Tomasino (No. 38) and Layton Ahac (No. 85). Helluva take.

If Tomasino is still on the board at 38 I will be over the moon.Blue moon, Harvest moon, Sailor Moon, I don’t care, I will be over it.Hell, Turcotte at 8 too. They’d both be steals.

That would be a crazy good haul. I would be almost as happy as when Barzal dropped to 16. Hopefully my happiness lasts longer

I don’t have a problem drafting Broberg at that slot. Like the others he’s got very high ceiling due to physical attributes and I don’t get where the rover talk is coming from, he’s not a liability in his own end. He actually gets dinged a decent amount for not taking more offensive chances
The question with the player is his offensive upside and whether he will be good enough in the ozone to bat at top line level
I think this player has a higher floor than the other guys

OriginalPouzar

blainer:
Package him in a deal that helps us dump Lucic as keeping him will only lessen his value.

It’s already low but another shitty year and you won’t even get a 4th rounder for him.

It is not true that keeping him will only lessen his value – its a possibility but there is a fairly obvious other possibility.

You second point is correct but the key phrase is “another shitty year” and he very well could have the opposite of that.

I think the delta between his current trade value and the 4th rounder (if he has another shitty year) is dwarfed by the value if he does indeed take a step forward, or even pop. If is so not uncommon for 21 year olds to take material steps forwards – even 22 and 23 year olds.

Yeti

Tbags Funhouse: I so hope you’re correct, we can finally have our own “Puistola Cutter” home grown!

I do hope you are going to join my ‘Pissed for Puistola’ wagon on draft day. We’ll drink nothing but whisky and salmiakki koskenkorva with not a drop of water in sight!

OriginalPouzar

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
russ99,

Rusty is the first guy you trade for cap space.He’s the last guy you want to mentor rookies.Rej is ideally suited to that role, as well as play up the roster as injury cover.

Fully agree.

Not to say I am right and anyone else’s opinion is wrong but suggestions of buying out Sekera just boggle my mind.

OriginalPouzar

russ99:
ArmchairGM,

I’d take what LT has and trade Lucic at 50% retained for a winger, trade Benning + for Brown, buy out Sekera, sign/trade for a better #2 RHD option (using Sekera cap savings) that will allow us to eventually trade Larsson, and put Russell on his natural left side third pair as first man back with a young D – assume Jones but also could be Persson. Also, consider moving Gagner if we can get cap relief.

That could be a playoff team.

I’m sorry but:

1) Lucic at 50% retained doesn’t get a positive value winger – Lucic at $3M still has negative value and a sweetener would need to be added

2) A legit RD, even third pairing, is worth more than a middling bottom 6 winger, which is what Brown is. Benning for Brown is a decrease in value let along adding

3) Buying out Sekera is just a horrible idea – they shouldn’t be buying out anyone and adding term to bad contracts let along a legit NHL d-man and a good NHL d-man.

who

RonnieB: Trade a top pairing D ( especially when you don’t have a replacement in-house ) for a 2nd line winger who disappears in the playoffs ? No thanks.

Just to be clear, I think they should draft a forward at 8OV.
But if they are going to draft Broberg, trading for a forward like Ehlers makes a lot of sense. If JP doesn’t pop, I don’t see another forward in the minor league system who can carry the play like Ehlers.
Also, wouldn’t it be fair to say that Broberg is just as highly rated as Klefbom was in his draft year? In fact, he’s probably rated higher.

OriginalPouzar

Alpine:
Drai pretty much can’t play with anyone not named McDavid or Hall so if he’s being picky about linemates, then maybe he needs to look in the mirror. He had one hot streak in the playoffs and since then he gets outscored heavily without Connor on his line. Even Nuge does better in goal share than Leon.

If I remember correctly, the issue here hasn’t been GF as Drai produces at first line rates without McDavid (and often with tweener wingers). The issue has been GA and lets not forget the massive uptick we saw in Leon’s 200 foot game after Hitch did whatever he did.

You aren’t wrong about the goal share, however, if Leon’s 200 foot game remains “fixed”, the results could (should) be massively different.

Munny

LT said…

If Edmonton grabs the numbers from Button’s March list, Oilers will walk away with Alex Turcotte (No. 8), Phillip Tomasino (No. 38) and Layton Ahac (No. 85). Helluva take.

If Tomasino is still on the board at 38 I will be over the moon. Blue moon, Harvest moon, Sailor Moon, I don’t care, I will be over it. Hell, Turcotte at 8 too. They’d both be steals.

Tbags Funhouse

Yeti:
If Button’s list holds true we could grab Puistola in the second round. Then I’d be super happy and would drink whisky without ice or water just for the hell of it, science be damned.

I so hope you’re correct, we can finally have our own “Puistola Cutter” home grown!

ArmchairGM

GMB3: Not sure how manning or Gagner have the same value either.

Both are considered cap dumps that mitigate Zucker’s cap hit the 1st year – which is when the Oilers need the relief.

ArmchairGM

GMB3:
What risk? Bonafide NHLer for magic beans and a pilon. Not sure how manning or Gagner have the same value either.

The contract is a risk. Pretty sure Gagner produced at similar rates last season and he’s generally considered a liability due to earning $3.15M.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Are they?In their less than 300 minutes in the last 3 seasons together at 5 on 5, they have a negative CF% and GF%.

I believe that their scoring rates over the past 3 years are quite high.

OriginalPouzar

stephen sheps:

Apropos of not these players, but one of the things Nuge said in his exit interview (I believe) that resonated with me was the constant line shuffling was getting to him.

and McDavid had intimated the same prior to the season.

Of course, Hitch as the worst line blender I’ve ever witnessed – it was unreal what he did with the forward deployment during his short stint.

I will always cherish his time as the Oilers’ head coach due to whatever he did to take Drai to 3 levels above where he was (please, please, please let that overall game we saw in the last 30 games be the new Drai), but, man, that forward deployment.

dustrock

OriginalPouzar: Except the Oilers haven’t done this – its just one blogger’s thoughts.

Sorry to pick this pick out but its a pet peeve of mine. Fans, bloggers, MSM speculate on what the organization may or may not do and the organization gets chastised for it (without them ever having done (or not done) it).

Yeah, we’re speculating on what would be a stupid move by the Oilers, Captain Obvious.

I realize it hasn’t happened yet because it’s only June 6th.

David

David:
Button’s list really seems to be heavily influenced by tournaments. That would also jive with his cool attitude toward Bouchard who dominated the OHL while having a meh WJC.

That’s opposite of my approach. I’ll have to look at his past lists and see if his method has more merit than I think.

In the past couple of years there is not as much evidence of Button heavily favouring the U-18WHC so maybe this year is a one off.

GMB3

ArmchairGM: MN fans would do this deal:

Zucker

for

Yamamoto
Manning or Gagner
2020 2nd round pick

Zucker averages about 40 points per season, is 27 and has 4 more years at $5.5M. There’s some risk involved here even though the ask isn’t terrible IMO.

ArmchairGM: MN fans would do this deal:

Zucker

for

Yamamoto
Manning or Gagner
2020 2nd round pick

Zucker averages about 40 points per season, is 27 and has 4 more years at $5.5M. There’s some risk involved here even though the ask isn’t terrible IMO.

What risk? Bonafide NHLer for magic beans and a pilon. Not sure how manning or Gagner have the same value either.