Assets Out

What on earth can Ken Holland afford to trade? As a man who believes in building through procurement, the draft offers some options (trading down) but the build in Bakersfield and the recent draft picks who are matriculating are needed in Edmonton. He can’t bodge the rebuild, but he also cannot bring the same bunch to camp this fall. Rock, meet hard place.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Trading for Loui Eriksson: What makes sense for the Oilers?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Differing needs of Oilers, Jets could create a trade fit
  • New Lowetide: How will Ken Holland build around Connor McDavid?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The top five players the Oilers could lose in the expansion draft
  • Jonathan Willis: What a trade involving Edmonton’s No. 8 pick might look like given Ken Holland’s history
  • LowetideHard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How a third-line grinder launched the star-filled Oilers to their first Stanley Cup and a hockey dynasty.
  • Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.

POSSIBLE NHL ASSETS OUT

The Oilers roster has a few pieces other teams might find attractive and in two cases the team should have enough depth to cover for the loss of the player. Matt Benning (70, 5-12-17, solid numbers and a legit RH defenseman), Kris Russell (72, 3-1-13, a reliable veteran) and Jujhar Khaira (60, 3-15-18) would garner interest from other teams, and Jesse Puljujarvi (46, 4-5-9) will fetch something should Holland decide to deal him. Milan Lucic (79, 6-14-20) also has a limited market.

There’s another area for Holland, coming from the group who represent future cap issues. We could include Adam Larsson (contract is up 2021 summer and he’ll be a free agent at that time), Darnell Nurse (RFA next summer and the expectation is a substantial contract) and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (contract is also up 2021 summer, at which time he’ll be unrestricted).

POSSIBLE PROSPECT ASSETS OUT

If Holland feels he can sacrifice some of the depth Peter Chiarelli built up on defense, then names like Caleb Jones, William Lagesson, Ethan Bear, the rights to John Marino, Dmitri Samorukov or even Evan Bouchard could be in play. I don’t buy it, at least I don’t buy the idea of trading Jones, Samorukov or Bouchard. Does Bear have enough value built to move the needle? Lagesson? We can argue about it here amongst ourselves, but do these players represent enough value for an NHL team to move a roster player? We may find out this summer. I don’t think Holland can afford to trade a single forward with promise, Edmonton is so poor in this area. Maybe a goalie?

DRAFT PICKS

I don’t think you can trade picks and claim to be building up the system, so the picks currently owned by the Oilers are likely to be there on draft day. I could see Edmonton trading down in order to improve the current NHL team, especially if the picks are ‘shades of grey’ and the team doesn’t move down too far.

If I’m honest, I think Holland probably uses free agency to address a couple of roster issues (say, Brian Elliott and Alex Chiasson) and then deals Benning for Connor Brown and finds a way to acquire Jean-Gabriel Pageau or Riley Nash without blowing up the draft picks or the prospect pipeline.

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  1. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t think Holland comes in guns blazing like Chia did.
    Guessing he shops the UFA low tier pile and post July 1 scraps and maybe a smaller trade or two

  2. Woogie63 says:

    Petry, Shultz, Dubynk would look pretty good on this team right now.

    Petry 2015 second round and fifth round

    Shultz 2016 third round

    Dubynk fo a 32 year Hendricks

  3. Mr DeBakey says:

    Jujhar Khaira (60, 3-15-18) would garner interest from other teams,

    Whenever I see Khaira included on these tradeable asset lists I cringe a little.
    Obviously he’s not a core 12 player at this time,
    But his combination of NHL-calibre skills, low Cap Hit, and size/toughness is not that easily replaced.

  4. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer,

    – I agree. He doesn’t need to make the playoffs this year, but the team NEEDS to be really good in two years. The ability to do stuff increases greatly next year with expansion draft and buy outs gone and Russell and Lucic a lot cheaper to move and 3mm for the space gagner occupys

    – Also he hasn’t brought in any management that he trusts and he is not going to rely on Keith for bold moves. He needs his own people that he trusts and has his own take on the team before making big moves. Even Chia waited a year to move out Hall.

  5. GeePee says:

    You mentioned if Ethan Bear has any trade value. I’m not confident he would have a lot but think he could be valuable as 6/7 Dman for a team that needs a cheap contract.

    If you could trade Kris Russell for, say, a third round pick. Would you then be able to pair that pick with Ethan Bear in a trade for Colin Miller? Would that be enough? Vegas needs some players on the cheap and I think Miller would be a great compliment to Darnell Nurse.

  6. godot10 says:

    GeePee:
    You mentioned if Ethan Bear has any trade value. I’m not confident he would have a lot but think he could be valuable as 6/7 Dman for a team that needs a cheap contract.

    If you could trade Kris Russell for, say, a third round pick. Would you then be able to pair that pick with Ethan Bear in a trade for Colin Miller? Would that be enough? Vegas needs some players on the cheap and I think Miller would be a great compliment to Darnell Nurse.

    Colin Miller is at best a 3rd pairing right D, just like Matt Benning, at twice the cost and twice the duration.

    Acqirining another nearly $4 million dollar 3rd pairing D to create a matching pair with Russell would hurt, not help.

  7. chrisco stu says:

    I wonder if all the smoke around Lucic/Neal/Eriksson could lead to a swap of Lucic then a dump of one the other two who don’t have trade restrictions on their contracts to a team like Ottawa. That might require multiple sweeteners, but could free up some cap space in a hurry. There is also the possibility of trading through Ottawa with the senators retaining on one or both players. If you could dump Lucic for say a third to Vancouver for Eriksson, then Eriksson to the senators for Bear you would have to do it, no?

  8. McNuge93 says:

    Bear and maybe Pulu in a package might get us something. I wouldn’t trade Bouchard. Yes to Benning trade if it gets us a younger forward off an NHL roster.

    And trading the #8 even if its trading down is crazy. We do have decent forward prospects but none of them seem truly highend, top 6 guaranteed. Not saying Yam or Benson aren’t good prospects. So draft a forward at 8 to give us a highend forward prospect (fingers crossed).

  9. godot10 says:

    I prefer Matt Benning for an actually good forward from Tampa Bay (like MIller or others) than an unproven one from Toronto (like Brown).

    Miller is the only desirable forward from Tampa who doesn’t have trade protection (on July 1, he does). Others would be acceptable, but they have trade protection in their contracts.

    The trade with Tampa would give Nugent-Hopkins a competent winger to build a 2nd line around.

    McDavid, Draisaitl (1st line)
    Nugent-Hopkins, Tampa forward (2nd line)
    Khaira, Puljujarvi (3rd line)

  10. who says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Jujhar Khaira (60, 3-15-18) would garner interest from other teams,

    Whenever I see Khaira included on these tradeable asset lists I cringe a little.
    Obviously he’s not a core 12 player at this time,
    But his combination of NHL-calibre skills, low Cap Hit, and size/toughness is not that easily replaced.

    I agree. Unless you are including him in a package for a true impact player.
    I think Khaira could be a solid 3rd liner right now. Don’t see any point in trading him for something similar.

  11. norm_klassen says:

    Does it make sense to keep building the system and pray and play the vets and hope for bounce backs and health so they may become traceable at the deadline; or seasons end.
    Looking at sekera’s health and lucic to bounce back to 10 goals 35 points

  12. Rondo says:

    Interesting stats regarding Thomas Harley

    https://twitter.com/307x/status/1137404074649935878

  13. digger50 says:

    Connors knee hitting that goal post was a real eye opener to me. What if he’s not around in two years?
    We want the #8 to grow into an impact player. There are no guarantees of this.
    Puljujarvi
    Yamamoto
    Bouchard

    What if the #8 grows into a third line Strome?

    The #8 asset has huge value at thecdraft table to a cap strapped team. If it can be turned into an impact player today, you have to do it and then make the money work.

    Unfortunately Peter C now has everybody gun shy of any type of trades. If the trade isn’t there, don’t do it.

    That one trade doesn’t have to be the end . JT Miller etc can still be pursued, the team can get better again.

    If Oilers do pick at #8 overall they must get it right. There is always a chance they are not adding this player to the core but replacing Connor, Leon or Nuge.

  14. Ryan says:

    chrisco stu:
    I wonder if all the smoke around Lucic/Neal/Eriksson could lead to a swap of Lucic then a dump of one the other two who don’t have trade restrictions on their contracts to a team like Ottawa. That might require multiple sweeteners, but could free up some cap space in a hurry. There is also the possibility of trading through Ottawa with the senators retaining on one or both players. If you could dump Lucic for say a third to Vancouver for Eriksson, then Eriksson to the senators for Bear you would have to do it, no?

    You’d certainly hope to trade Lucic straight across for Eriksson if you wanted to do that deal.

    I’d worry about that deal if you got stuck with Eriksson due to his age.

    No way that Bear is enough of an asset for Ottawa to take on the Eriksson contract.

  15. jtblack says:

    Good Morning Lowetiders; from Windy Southen Alberta!

    TIGER won the Masters
    ST LOUIS may win their 1st Cup
    RAPTORS should win the NBA Title
    4 CANADIANS in contention @ the Canadian Opeen

    Sports is Magical. What a year so far …..

    2019 Draft

    HUGHES
    KAKKO

    NOBODY KNOWS AFTER THAT ….

    Going to be Crazy. So many different scenarios

    Cant wait. Wonder how far Krebs drops due to the Achilles injury? Does he fall out of Top 20?

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of course they aren’t untradeable, however, unless the deal is a no-brainer, I am very hesitant to trade the more valuable assets that are 25 and under such as Klefbom or Nurse. There may be a time when one needs to go or it makes sense for one to go (i.e. when Nurse’s next contract creates issues or when a Jones, Lagesson, Samorukov prove top 4 readiness) but i don’t believe that time is now even though there are few other assets available with significant value.

    I could get on board with a Larsson trade but can’t see one making sense given the current lack of top 4 depth on the right side. Even a trade for an equal value player at a position of need, such as Kadri, wouldn’t make sense. Kadri would be fantastic on this team, he’d fill a bunch of holes, and I think the value is there vis-a-vis Larsson, however, subtracting Larsson and adding Kadri hurts the team, I think, due to the right side top 4 depth.

    We are a year away from trading any of the top 3, in my opinion.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    JJ Khaira is going to come in around $1M, give or take a couple hundred grand.

    He is big and mean (he beats people up when he fights). He is a plus skater, fast in my eyes. While struggling on the dot, he can play center or wing. He can play on the PK.

    He had a tough year last year with consistency but injuries are a big part of that.

    He is a solid bottom 6 guy that will be super cheap.

    At the least, he will provide value. A decent bet for a value contract.

    Sure, he will have some trade value but, really, how much? His value in the Oilers bottom 6 next year is higher.

    I just don’t see a reason to trade this player.

  18. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar: We are a year away from trading any of the top 3

    Exactly. Many of the moves being discussed today might make perfect sense once we have a sense of what kind of contribution players like Jones, Bouchard and Benson will make. We’re a year or two away from that time.

    Now is not the time to sell the house for grocery money.

  19. Pescador says:

    who: I agree. Unless you are including him in a package for a true impact player.
    I think Khaira could be a solid 3rd liner right now. Don’t see any point in trading him for something similar.

    Khaira is beyond could be,
    If he can remain healthy he is legit, especially on this team.
    Like most wingers on the Oilers roster, they would thrive with a good 3C.
    The Oiler bottom 6 is a problem, mainly because it’s always cobbled together with a mixture of 4th liners.
    Ken Holland’s list:
    1. Top 6 scoring winger.
    2. Veteran 3C.
    3. Dispose of Kris Russell.
    4. Upgrade goaltender
    Of course there are many many other issues, but there is only
    so much that can be accomplished in 1 offseason

  20. Jordan says:

    norm_klassen:
    Does it make sense to keep building the system and pray and play the vets and hope for bounce backs and health so they may become traceable at the deadline; or seasons end.
    Looking at sekera’s health and lucic to bounce back to 10 goals 35 points

    Evidenced by the roars from the Edmonton crowds when he scored last year, I think everyone would be thrilled if Milan could produce like that this coming year.

    Evidenced by his play both with skill and without, I seriously question if setting my money on fire wouldn’t be a better plan than betting on Lucic to recover – at least if set it on fire I’m not going to be dissapointed when I don’t have it.

    Wish all the best for the player, feel great sorrow at how his play scoring touch has left him. Hope he proves me wrong.

    Woogie63:
    Petry, Shultz, Dubynk would look pretty good on this team right now.

    Petry 2015 second round and fifth round

    Shultz 2016 third round

    Dubynk fo a 32 year Hendricks

    Yes, they would all be great.

    I’d rather have McDavid.

    Just my opinion.

    Mr DeBakey:
    Jujhar Khaira (60, 3-15-18) would garner interest from other teams,

    Whenever I see Khaira included on these tradeable asset lists I cringe a little.
    Obviously he’s not a core 12 player at this time,
    But his combination of NHL-calibre skills, low Cap Hit, and size/toughness is not that easily replaced.

    I also greatly like the player. All of the attributes you list are the reasons you keep him, and the reasons other teams would be interested in acquiring him.

    The reasons you trade him include the value of the return, the growing injury history, and the performance regression in 18-19 from 17-18.

    If you could package him and Russell to Minnesota for Zucker, that’s a move I make, because it’s good value. I would not trade him for Colin Miller straight up, as we would lose the more valuable player on a better contract and help Vegas out of the cap hell they’ve put themselves in.

    We wait to see how Holland values and evaluates the market and his assets.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Given right shot d-men are coveted in the NHL and Matty Benning is a legit 3RD in the NHL, and a very good one, a one for one for Connor Brown is simply not enough.

    The acquisition target in a Matt Benning trade to Toronto should be Andreas Johnsson and, while I generally want the pressing youngsters to prove readiness prior to trading the incumbent, this is the type of deal I would pursue. If the Oilers have to add a C asset, that’s fine – Rights to Hawkey, V. Dehanrnais, J. Marino, etc.

  22. Silver Streak says:

    jtblack:
    Good Morning Lowetiders; from Windy Southen Alberta!

    TIGER won the Masters
    ST LOUIS may win their 1st Cup
    RAPTORS should win the NBA Title
    4 CANADIANS in contention @ the Canadian Opeen

    Sports is Magical.What a year so far …..

    2019 Draft

    HUGHES
    KAKKO

    NOBODY KNOWS AFTER THAT ….

    Going to be Crazy.So many different scenarios

    Cant wait. Wonder how far Krebs drops due to the Achilles injury? Does he fall out of Top 20?

    G`Morning back at you….Bruins in 7 ( not sure I care if the Raptors win or not) …..

    Krebs will fall to us at 38 …..

    Holland will work magic with moving Lucic, AND we will have 3 rookies playing in the fall.

    Huge 2 weeks coming up.

  23. godot10 says:

    jtblack:

    Cant wait. Wonder how far Krebs drops due to the Achilles injury? Does he fall out of Top 20?

    Colorado’s 2nd 1st is at #16OV. The Rangers 2nd 1st is at #20OV. So no, he will not fall out of the top twenty.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Olivier Rodrigue has been traded to the Moncton Wildcats!

    He’s also been attending Team Canada’s summer goaltending camp – that was a no-brainer, he’ll be at all of the camps as he’s a legit candidate for the World Junior team.

  25. Munny says:

    Rondo,

    No doubt.

    Here’s the vitals on Harley for those curious:

    Defense — shoots L
    Born Aug 19 2001 — Syracuse, NY
    [17 yrs. ago]
    Height 6.03 — Weight 188 [191 cm/85 kg]

    68gp . 11-47-58 . 24pim . -15

    He’s a much more significant offensive prospect than say Samorukov. Good skating minute muncher. Great birthday, essentially playing D against year older players all his life.

  26. dolenator says:

    Can anyone shed some light on all the Connor Brown hype. Looking at his stats he would help the 3rd line but why not spend a little more and go after kapanen to help out on the second line. They both spent some time on the pk and pp but one was 1.9p/60 the other 1.4p/60. Brown did have more defensive zone starts but hits way less. Also if Kyle Dubas is a big stats guy shouldn’t he love Benning, i would think we would be getting the bad end of the trade if it was straight up for brown

  27. jtblack says:

    godot10: Colorado’s 2nd 1st is at #16OV.The Rangers 2nd 1st is at #20OV.So no, he will not fall out of the top twenty.

    I am not sure he will even fall?? my bet is he still goes Top 12

  28. dolenator says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Couldn’t agree more

  29. leadfarmer says:

    I would think a tendon laceration would heal better than a tendon rupture and he is very young

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jordan: Evidenced by the roars from the Edmonton crowds when he scored last year, I think everyone would be thrilled if Milan could produce like that this coming year.

    Evidenced by his play both with skill and without, I seriously question if setting my money on fire wouldn’t be a better plan than betting on Lucic to recover – at least if set it on fire I’m not going to be dissapointed when I don’t have it.

    Wish all the best forthe player, feel great sorrow at how his play scoring touch has left him.Hope he proves me wrong.

    Yes, they would all be great.

    I’d rather have McDavid.

    Just my opinion.

    I also greatly like the player.All of the attributes you list are the reasons you keep him, and the reasons other teams would be interested in acquiring him.

    The reasons you trade him include the value of the return, the growing injury history, and the performance regression in 18-19 from 17-18.

    If you could package him and Russell to Minnesota for Zucker, that’s a move I make, because it’s good value.I would not trade him for Colin Miller straight up, as we would lose the more valuable player on a better contract and help Vegas out of the cap hell they’ve put themselves in.

    We wait to see how Holland values and evaluates the market and his assets.

    Minnesota is not trading Zucker for Russell and Khaira.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    If one of the pro, or turning pro, defence prospects is being moved in a deal, my vote is for Bear.

    I believe that his trade value may be up there with Jones and ahead of Lagesson whereas I personally (for what its worth), have him below Lagesson and Jones.

    If Bear ever does make it, I can’t see him playing higher than 3rd pairing at evens and I do think its still up in the air if he’ll be able to improve in the defending speed, puck retrieval and defensive zone battle areas to ever make it.

    On the other hand, I think Lagesson is NHL ready and I do think he has the potential to be a 22 minute 2LD in the NHL.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    I don’t think Holland comes in guns blazing like Chia did.
    Guessing he shops the UFA low tier pile and post July 1 scraps and maybe a smaller trade or two

    I hope this is indeed the case.

    His biggest UFA spend may be the goalie.

    Add in a Pirri and/or Ennis (I’d prefer Pirri) and maybe a Filppula.

    Move Benning plus a B- prospect (Berglund, rights to Hawkey, Vinny D.) for A. Johnsson.

  33. Reja says:

    jtblack: I am not sure he will even fall?? my bet is he still goes Top 12

    It would take a real confident in his job no pressure here GM to pick him top 12 when he can’t even walk up to the podium to put on his sweater for his new team. We shall find out soon enough

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    If the Oil want to trade someone at peak value it should be Zack Kassian. He’s 28, scored 15 goals for the second time in his career and would generate tremendous interest from multiple teams. I think Kassian is much more likely to land a player like JT Miller than Benning would.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Petry, Shultz, Dubynk would look pretty good on this team right now.

    Petry 2015 second round and fifth round

    Shultz 2016 third round

    Dubynk fo a 32 year Hendricks

    The entire Petry situation really hurt this organization.

    He was massively undrated by a portion of the fan-base for not being tough enough but he was a legit 1RD – not an elite one but could handle those minutes just fine. He was also young enough that he was still going to mature.

    He would have been a near perfect d-man on this team over the last number of years.

    Of course, trading him and mis-developing Shultz led the Taylor Hall trade.

    Yes, the Dubnyk of the last few years would have been great but that is not the Dubnyk that we had (nor did Montreal/Hamilton or Nashville). His numbers as an Oiler were better than his performance – he consistenly let in terrible goals at terrible times – night after night. I just wasn’t good enough.

    Also, Matty H. was a solid Oiler for a number of years.

    Yes, Dubbie popped but that trade was fine.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Jujhar Khaira (60, 3-15-18) would garner interest from other teams,

    Whenever I see Khaira included on these tradeable asset lists I cringe a little.
    Obviously he’s not a core 12 player at this time,
    But his combination of NHL-calibre skills, low Cap Hit, and size/toughness is not that easily replaced.

    Quoted for 100% agreement.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    GeePee:
    You mentioned if Ethan Bear has any trade value. I’m not confident he would have a lot but think he could be valuable as 6/7 Dman for a team that needs a cheap contract.

    If you could trade Kris Russell for, say, a third round pick. Would you then be able to pair that pick with Ethan Bear in a trade for Colin Miller? Would that be enough? Vegas needs some players on the cheap and I think Miller would be a great compliment to Darnell Nurse.

    I’d be careful projecting Miller on the 2nd pairing as he’s been a 3rd pairing guy for Vegas, even playing behind Derek Engelland.

  38. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Given right shot d-men are coveted in the NHL and Matty Benning is a legit 3RD in the NHL, and a very good one, a one for one for Connor Brown is simply not enough.

    The acquisition target in a Matt Benning trade to Toronto should be Andreas Johnsson and, while I generally want the pressing youngsters to prove readiness prior to trading the incumbent, this is the type of deal I would pursue. If the Oilers have to add a C asset, that’s fine – Rights to Hawkey, V. Dehanrnais, J. Marino, etc.

    A C asset and Benning are not going to get you Johnsson.

  39. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: The entire Petry situation really hurt this organization.

    He was massively undrated by a portion of the fan-base for not being tough enough but he was a legit 1RD – not an elite one but could handle those minutes just fine.He was also young enough that he was still going to mature.

    He would have been a near perfect d-man on this team over the last number of years.

    Of course, trading him and mis-developing Shultz led the Taylor Hall trade.

    Yes, the Dubnyk of the last few years would have been great but that is not the Dubnyk that we had (nor did Montreal/Hamilton or Nashville).His numbers as an Oiler were better than his performance – he consistenly let in terrible goals at terrible times – night after night.I just wasn’t good enough.

    Also, Matty H. was a solid Oiler for a number of years.

    Yes, Dubbie popped but that trade was fine.

    The Dubnyk trade was horrible the minute it was made.
    Yes he was struggling, but he was solid the year before, won a world championship with Team Canada, and was still a young goalie.
    Hendricks was a solid 4th liner, and leader, for the Oilers, but who trades a potential starting goalie for that?

  40. RonnieB says:

    who: A C asset and Benning are not going to get you Johnsson.

    It’s looking likely that Toronto will have to clear some Cap space by moving either Johnson or Kapanen.
    They also need more defencemen, especially if they trade Zaitzev. In that case Benning plus something ( i would suggest Cam Hebig ) could very well be the pieces that get you one of Johnsson or Kapanen.

  41. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Trading for Loui Eriksson: What makes sense for the Oilers?

    https://theathletic.com/1018144/2019/06/09/trading-for-loui-eriksson-what-makes-sense-for-the-oilers/

  42. JimmyV1965 says:

    RonnieB: It’s looking likely that Toronto will have to clear some Cap space by moving either Johnson or Kapanen.
    They also need more defencemen, especially if they trade Zaitzev. In that case Benning plus something ( i would suggest Cam Hebig ) could very well be the pieces that get you one of Johnsson or Kapanen.

    Benning is an established third pairing dman. Why would teams be willing to trade a top six forward to acquire him? There are plenty of dmen in this league and plenty of trade options. If the Leafs want to trade Johnsson for a dmen, they could easily get someone like Spurgeon. Yes, his cap hit is higher, but there’s many ways to reduce their cap as well. It looks like they will be trading Marleau and Zaitsev. That will clear some cap.

  43. jtblack says:

    Reja: It would take a real confident in his job no pressure here GM to pick him top 12 when he can’t even walk up to the podium to put on his sweater for his new team. We shall find out soon enough

    Lots of players drop due to injury as GM’s are short sighted.

    Chycrun
    Barzal
    Benson

    Krebs …. at the very least, as someone posted earlier, the Avs wont let him past #16

  44. Oilman99 says:

    dolenator:
    Can anyone shed some light on all the Connor Brown hype.Looking at his stats he would help the 3rd line but why not spend a little more and go after kapanen to help out on the second line.They both spent some time on the pk and pp but one was 1.9p/60 the other 1.4p/60.Brown did have more defensive zone starts but hits way less.Also if Kyle Dubas is a big stats guy shouldn’t he love Benning,i would think we would be getting the bad end of the trade if it was straight up for brown

    Totally agree, a top six forward is required first and foremost. Trying to move Russell before Benning is a much more desirable move, Benning is still on the upward side of the curve, Russell is declining.

  45. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965: Benning is an established third pairing dman. Why would teams be willing to trade a top six forward to acquire him? There are plenty of dmen in this league and plenty of trade options. If the Leafs want to trade Johnsson for a dmen, they could easily get someone like Spurgeon. Yes, his cap hit is higher, but there’s many ways to reduce their cap as well. It looks like they will be trading Marleau and Zaitsev. That will clear some cap.

    Is there a team in the league that isn’t trying to offload players like Marleau and Zaitsev, Lucic and Russell?
    Today’s NHL is all about salary in salary out.
    Perhaps TOR has a deep enough prospect system that they can afford to divest themselves of those high cap hits with zero cap dollars coming back. But I doubt it, especially after the Muzzin trade
    I wonder if the Kings asked for Kapanen to take on Marleau’s contract?

  46. jtblack says:

    Pescador: Is there a team in the league that isn’t trying to offload players like Marleau and Zaitsev, Lucic and Russell?
    Today’s NHL is all about salary in salary out.
    Perhaps TOR has a deep enough prospect system that they can afford to divest themselves of those high cap hits with zero cap dollars coming back. But I doubt it, especially after the Muzzin trade
    I wonder if the Kings asked for Kapanen to take on Marleau’s contract?

    Marleau had 37 points. Hes not that bad. Lucic had 6 goals. There are different levels of struggle

  47. Yeti says:

    who: Hendricks was a solid 4th liner, and leader, for the Oilers, but who trades a potential starting goalie for that?

    Ah, but you clearly underestimate the role that character and culture play in building a team.

  48. Oil2Oilers says:

    A better target from Vancouver for Lucic is Brandon Sutter. Often injured during his time in Vancouver he is a capable 3C and penalty killer. Would he cost more than Erickson? Yes, but he is worth more and a better fit for need.

    Lucic + 1.5M retain + Ethan Bear for Sutter

    Bear making up for Sutter’s shorter term.

  49. Washingtron says:

    This isn’t gonna be popular, or maybe everyone is already saying it, but I don’t think Nuge finishes the year here if we’re not in a playoff position by the deadline. You won’t even get value given his UFA status. And his exit interview did not engender a lot of confidence in his desire to continue to toil in the land of eternal rebuilds.

    Seriously, does anyone see him re-signing in Edmonton when he’s a UFA? Good players even move from WINNING teams when the league is their oyster. Other than an insane overpay, which defeats the purpose, what is one single reason he would stay? The chance to hit a bakers dozen of coaches played under?

    Is trading him our only play?

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pescador: Is there a team in the league that isn’t trying to offload players like Marleau and Zaitsev, Lucic and Russell?
    Today’s NHL is all about salary in salary out.
    Perhaps TOR has a deep enough prospect system that they can afford to divest themselves of those high cap hits with zero cap dollars coming back. But I doubt it, especially after the Muzzin trade
    I wonder if the Kings asked for Kapanen to take on Marleau’s contract?

    Marleau has one year remaining on his deal. Moving that contract should not be difficult. My point is that we shouldn’t expect a top six forward for Benning. It’s unrealistic. Benning for Brown seems like a fair deal to me. One is third pair dman who could possibly move up the order. One is a third line winger who could possibly move up the order.

  51. JimmyV1965 says:

    Washingtron:
    This isn’t gonna be popular, or maybe everyone is already saying it, but I don’t think Nuge finishes the year here if we’re not in a playoff position by the deadline.You won’t even get value given his UFA status.And his exit interview did not engender a lot of confidence in his desire to continue to toil in the land of eternal rebuilds.

    Seriously,does anyone see him re-signing in Edmonton when he’s a UFA?Good players even move from WINNING teams when the league is their oyster.Other than an insane overpay, which defeats the purpose, what is one single reason he would stay?The chance to hit a bakers dozen of coaches played under?

    Is trading him our only play?

    I’ve been saying this for months. If the team doesn’t look like it’s ready to make the playoffs, RNH needs to be on the table. No one has put up with more crap than the Nuge. I see zero reason he would resign here. And it’s better to trade him with two years on his deal than one. Imagine his disappointment if he comes into camp and two fourth liners are lining up with him.

  52. HenryDrix says:

    Ken Holland can afford to trade LHD and that’s about it. It’s the only position of strength in abundance. Any of them should be available for the right price. Draft Broberg, who looks like will be a #1 or #2 (at worst). Those don’t come along every day. Bottom half roster players should be either up and comers from within or FA scraps looking to prove they still have game. #1 most important signing will be a goalie, get that wrong and it’s another season of misery.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    l

    godot10:
    I prefer Matt Benning for an actually good forward from Tampa Bay (like MIller or others) than an unproven one from Toronto (like Brown).

    Andreas Johnsson – Oilers may need to add a small piece.

  54. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    l

    Andreas Johnsson – Oilers may need to add a small piece.

    ^^^
    This.

  55. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: Benning is an established third pairing dman. Why would teams be willing to trade a top six forward to acquire him? There are plenty of dmen in this league and plenty of trade options. If the Leafs want to trade Johnsson for a dmen, they could easily get someone like Spurgeon. Yes, his cap hit is higher, but there’s many ways to reduce their cap as well. It looks like they will be trading Marleau and Zaitsev. That will clear some cap.

    Some teams have a surplus of top six forwards that they cannot afford to pay for lack of cap room, and are in need of a cheap legit 3rd pairing D.

    A 3rd pairing D plays as much as a 2nd line winger, and competent 3rd pairing D on good contracts are scarcer than 2nd line wingers.

    Benning (modulo stuff) should be able to get a proven competent winger..

  56. Reja says:

    jtblack: Lots of players drop due to injury as GM’s are short sighted.

    Chycrun
    Barzal
    Benson

    Krebs …. at the very least, as someone posted earlier, the Avs wont let him past #16

    Maybe Avs or Rangers but it would take a ballsy GM before no 16 you would think they would want to see all the medical reports. If you take him top 15 and he covers the bet nobody remembers the injury but if you take him top 15 and he can’t walk to the podium it’s bad optics and if he busts and they attribute it to the injury the fan base we be irate for picking him when their were so many other players at the same value that were healthy. If you were Holland would you pick him at 8?

  57. Yeti says:

    Rondo:

    Good summary on Finnish players in draft.

    https://lassialanen.squarespace.com/new-blog/2019/4/13/top-25-finnish-prospects-for-the-2019-nhl-draft

    Dear Oilers,
    Please Pick Puistola!
    (should he be there in the second round).

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Some teams have a surplus of top six forwards that they cannot afford to pay for lack of cap room, and are in need of a cheap legit 3rd pairing D.

    A 3rd pairing D plays as much as a 2nd line winger, and competent 3rd pairing D on good contracts are scarcer than 2nd line wingers.

    Benning (modulo stuff) should be able to get a proven competent winger..

    What I find interesting is that virtually every poster on this blog is willing to trade Benning – for the right price. Why is that? Because we have guys in the minors ready to replace him. The league is riddled with guys as good as Benning. Tampa’s top prospect is LHD Cal Foote.

    Maybe we can trade Benning for JT Miller. I certainly hope we can. I find it very very unlikely. The RHD thing is a bit of a red herring as well. Teams need top four RHD because they are scarce. Only about half the teams in the league have them. Bottom pairing RHD are not nearly as valuable because teams have guys in the minors, and you can run two LHD on the bottom pairing.

    Benning likely gets an uptick in value because maybe possibly he can play on the second pair. But this is far from a lock and teams know that.

    When was the last time we saw a bottom pairing dman traded for a top six forward? Honest question.

  59. jtblack says:

    Reja: Maybe Avs or Rangers but it would take a ballsy GM before no 16 you would think they would want to see all the medical reports. If you take him top 15 and he covers the bet nobody remembers the injury but if you take himtop 15 and he can’t walk to the podium it’s bad optics and if he busts and they attribute itto the injury the fan base we be irate for picking him when their were so many other players at the same value that were healthy. If you were Holland would you pick him at 8?

    You make Good Points.

    If they wanted him pre injury @ #8 then I still take him.

    It doesnt seem like a career altering injury? Going to take him 6 months to get back. Krebs would have went back to junior anyway So now his season will just start late. Prob Dec or Jan.

  60. jtblack says:

    With that said. There will be a number of good choices @ #8.

    But Krebs was consensus Top 12 across almost all rankings; so if he slides to #16 – I think Avs grab him

  61. jtblack says:

    Also, I just hope Edm picks a Good skater @ #8.

    Getting close to draft time. Can’t wait.

    I would take 3 forwrards with the Top 3 picks.
    #8 – Forward (Dach Cozens Zegras etc)
    #38 – Forward ( Blake Murray, etc etc)
    #65 – Forward

    Late Rounds I try to grab Sasha Mutula

    Edm is loaded with D Prospects.
    We have a lot of G Prospects.
    Draft 6 or 7 Forwards. !!

  62. Rube Foster says:

    jtblack: You make Good Points.

    If they wanted him pre injury @ #8 then I still take him.

    It doesnt seem like a career altering injury? Going to take him 6 months to get back. Krebs would have went back to junior anywaySo now his season will just start late. Prob Dec or Jan.

    Assuming that the Doctors are optimistic on Krebs full recovery, I think the smart play here would be to swap the 8th for a pick in the 10 – 15 range and come out of the draft with Krebs AND an asset.

  63. Reja says:

    jtblack: You make Good Points.

    If they wanted him pre injury @ #8 then I still take him.

    It doesnt seem like a career altering injury? Going to take him 6 months to get back. Krebs would have went back to junior anywaySo now his season will just start late. Prob Dec or Jan.

    If I had him ranked evenly with a handful of other players at no 8 I would not take him. It’ll be interesting to see how far if at all he drops I think he would have been taken top 10 before injury.

  64. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Reja,

    Good lord, man. It’s an achilles tendon tear that’s already had successful surgery. Not an amputation. You make it sound like he’ll never have a career because of a minor injury. It’s not that big of a deal. It would be a bigger deal if he was one of the few who’re predicted to be NHL ready, which he was not. He was bound to go back to junior anyways, and by reports won’t miss much time.

  65. Reja says:

    Rube Foster: Assuming that the Doctors are optimistic on Krebs full recovery, I think the smart play here would be to swap the 8th for a pick in the 10 – 15 range and come out of the draft with Krebs AND an asset.

    I can’t remember a top 8 pick or better trading down 5-6-7 spots and what they received.

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: Lots of players drop due to injury as GM’s are short sighted.

    Chycrun
    Barzal
    Benson

    Krebs …. at the very least, as someone posted earlier, the Avs wont let him past #16

    Big difference is that Krebs got his full draft year in and is high on most scouts’ lists.

    The other players were injured during or before their draft year.

    Also,

    Don’t forget Couturier who was consensus #1 the year before his draft year but got mono in his draft year.

    Went 8th and is probably 2nd or 3rd best in that draft behind Kucherov and maybe Scheifiele

  67. Rube Foster says:

    Pescador: Khaira is beyond could be,
    If he can remain healthy he is legit, especially on this team.
    Like most wingers on the Oilers roster, they would thrive with a good 3C.
    The Oiler bottom 6 is a problem, mainly because it’s always cobbled together with a mixture of 4th liners.
    Ken Holland’s list:
    1. Top 6 scoring winger.
    2. Veteran 3C.
    3. Dispose of Kris Russell.
    4. Upgrade goaltender
    Of course there are many many other issues, but there is only
    so much that can be accomplished in 1 offseason

    Agreed. It would so “BecauseOilers” to invest the time and energy to develop Khaira into an affordable, rugged and versatile option in the bottom six and then move him along just when he is at his most useful for the organization. Khaira is legit and his game seems perfectly suited for Play-off hockey.

    1. Top Six Forward – Burakowsky, he got lost in the crowd in Washington, he would appear to be the player most likely to turn into the next William Karlsson. If Connor gives a thumbs up to his old Erie Teammate, this is a no-brainer.
    2. Veteran 3C – Oscar Lindberg, The faster version of Anton Lander, 27 years old and on the verge of establishing himself, UFA might be had for less than $2M if you gave him some term. A much smarter bet than the Brodziaks, Gordons and Belangers the Oilers like to acquire on the wrong side of 30 years old.
    3 Dispose of Kris Russell – Yes. He’s a legit NHL defenseman, there are a number of teams that need a veteran presence on their blueline. If we could move him for some magic beans that would be a win.
    4 Upgrade Goalie – I’m fine with LT’s campaigning for Elliot.

    I’d also take a shot at Ultra Magnus Paajarvi, a cheap UFA, to help us fill out the bottom six. A line of Nygaard – Lindberg – Paajarvi would be affordable, responsible and FAST with perhaps just enough skill to deliver positive offensive metrics in the bottom six. All three could kill penalties. They’re young, but not too young and they would let us keep Marody and Benson with Condors till Christmas.

    Make the Lucic for Eriksson deal and our third Jerseys could be Blue and Gold!

    Holland is remembered for winning Cups with his Red Army line-up, but his last Championship team featured Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Samuelsson, Franzen, Kronwall, Lilja and Ericson!

  68. Reja says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Reja,

    Good lord, man.It’s an achilles tendon tear that’s already had successful surgery.Not an amputation.You make it sound like he’ll never have a career because of a minor injury.It’s not that big of a deal.It would be a bigger deal if he was one of the few who’re predicted to be NHL ready, which he was not.He was bound to go back to junior anyways, and by reports won’t miss much time.

    If you had him in a toss up at no 7-8-9 sounds like you would take him. Like I said earlier it’ll be interesting to see how arguably the best job in the world and there’s only 31 positions see it.

  69. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Big difference is that Krebs got his full draft year in and is high on most scouts’ lists.

    The other players were injured during or before their draft year.

    Also,

    Don’t forget Couturier who was consensus #1 the year before his draft year but got mono in his draft year.

    Went 8th and is probably 2nd or 3rd best in that draft behind Kucherov and maybe Scheifiele

    I agree with all that.

    I just don’t see Krebs dropping past #12 & would still consider him @ #8

  70. Alpine says:

    I think I definitely pass on Krebs now, even if the team liked him a lot. There’s no way of knowing who the best pick at 8 is, so no sense taking a huge risk on a player with an injury like that.

    If the Oilers like him THAT much that they would take that risk, then maybe they’re not being fair to the other players available. They aren’t smarter than everybody, and we know that. Gretzky might be good at the whole drafting thing but he’s rarely used a pick this high since his Phoenix days, and Holland has rarely done so either. Play it safe.

    Krebs will probably be fine in the long run but why take the risk when there’s other prospects on the board who are rated equal to or better than him, and who won’t have to go through a long injury recovery in the near future.

  71. Reja says:

    I have a feeling it’ll be tight checking low scoring and will go to OT just like 1970.

  72. Mr DeBakey says:

    Rondo: Munny,

    Good summary on Finnish players in draft.

    https://lassialanen.squarespace.com/new-blog/2019/4/13/top-25-finnish-prospects-for-the-2019-nhl-draft

    If the Oilers got
    Antti Tuomisto at 100
    and/or
    Henri Nikkanen at 162
    and/or
    Juuso Pärssinen at 193
    it wouldn’t be the worst draft ever

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    The #8 asset has huge value at thecdraft table to a cap strapped team. If it can be turned into an impact player today, you have to do it and then make the money work.

    The Oilers are one of those cash-strapped teams…..

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Khaira is beyond could be,
    If he can remain healthy he is legit, especially on this team.
    Like most wingers on the Oilers roster, they would thrive with a good 3C.
    The Oiler bottom 6 is a problem, mainly because it’s always cobbled together with a mixture of 4th liners.
    Ken Holland’s list:
    1. Top 6 scoring winger.
    2. Veteran 3C.
    3. Dispose of Kris Russell.
    4. Upgrade goaltender
    Of course there are many many other issues, but there is only
    so much that can be accomplished in 1 offseason

    I’ve come off my 2RD stop-gap as the primary need this off-season – bite the bullet for another year I guess.

    I agree with your list, however, I have the exact opposite order with the 1B goaltender being the primary need.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    dolenator:
    Can anyone shed some light on all the Connor Brown hype.Looking at his stats he would help the 3rd line but why not spend a little more and go after kapanen to help out on the second line.They both spent some time on the pk and pp but one was 1.9p/60 the other 1.4p/60.Brown did have more defensive zone starts but hits way less.Also if Kyle Dubas is a big stats guy shouldn’t he love Benning,i would think we would be getting the bad end of the trade if it was straight up for brown

    I think the target that makes sense is in the middle of those two players – Andreas Johnsson – the Oilers would likely need to add something to Benning to get him but he could fit in very well in our top 6 or, at worse, middle 6.

    Kapanen would require another material asset in addition to Benning – I’ve read proposals to trade the #8 for Kapanen – his value is much higher than Johnsson’s and I’d rather shop in the middle.

  76. McNuge93 says:

    Alpine:
    I think I definitely pass on Krebs now, even if the team liked him a lot. There’s no way of knowing who the best pick at 8 is, so no sense taking a huge risk on a player with an injury like that.

    If the Oilers like him THAT much that they would take that risk, then maybe they’re not being fair to the other players available. They aren’t smarter than everybody, and we know that. Gretzky might be good at the whole drafting thing but he’s rarely used a pick this high since his Phoenix days, and Holland has rarely done so either. Play it safe.

    Krebs will probably be fine in the long run but why take the risk when there’s other prospects on the board who are rated equal to or better than him, and who won’t have to go through a long injury recovery in the near future.

    I agree. There are a number of guys in that 8 to 12 range that seem virtually equally. Krebs may not even be a guy theOilers are targeting, hoping for at 8.

  77. John Chambers says:

    jtblack: I agree with all that.

    I just don’t see Krebs dropping past #12 & would still consider him @ #8

    Krebs will be playing again this fall.

    Sucks that he’ll lose a summer of training but it’ll probably be forgotten by the time Krebs is scoring at the World Juniors.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: A C asset and Benning are not going to get you Johnsson.

    You could be right but why not?

    Are you maybe overvaluing Johnsson – he’s going to be 25 a month in the season and has a total of 46 NHL points. He’s a former 7th round pick that has only been an NHL player for a total of one season.

    He had a nice season as a 24 year old rookie playing predominantly with Matthews and Riley being his second most common ice-mate – top line zooming.

    The Leafs need to move one of Kapanen or Johnsson as they can’t sign them both (unless they can move Marleau). They are in desperate need of right shot d-man.

    The Oilers have the leverage in the situation for a change.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: The Dubnyk trade was horrible the minute it was made.
    Yes he was struggling, but he was solid the year before, won a world championship with Team Canada, and was still a young goalie.
    Hendricks was a solid 4th liner,and leader, for the Oilers, but who trades a potential starting goalie for that?

    I don’t agree on the Dubnyk trade and I don’t agree that he was solid the year before – he vastly underperformed his numbers – as I said, he consistently gave up week goals at the worst time – it was Dwayne Roloson syndrome.

    To answer your question:

    – David Poile – traded him for future considerations
    – Marc Bergevin – waived him and let him walk for nothing
    – Don Maloney – traded him for a third round pick

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Washingtron:
    This isn’t gonna be popular, or maybe everyone is already saying it, but I don’t think Nuge finishes the year here if we’re not in a playoff position by the deadline.You won’t even get value given his UFA status.And his exit interview did not engender a lot of confidence in his desire to continue to toil in the land of eternal rebuilds.

    Seriously,does anyone see him re-signing in Edmonton when he’s a UFA?Good players even move from WINNING teams when the league is their oyster.Other than an insane overpay, which defeats the purpose, what is one single reason he would stay?The chance to hit a bakers dozen of coaches played under?

    Is trading him our only play?

    Nuge is not a pending UFA at this year’s deadline – he’s got two years left.

  81. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree on the Dubnyk trade and I don’t agree that he was solid the year before – he vastly underperformed his numbers – as I said, he consistently gave up week goals at the worst time – it was Dwayne Roloson syndrome.

    To answer your question:

    – David Poile – traded him for future considerations
    – MarcBergevin – waived him and let him walk for nothing
    – Don Maloney – traded him for a third round pick

    After carrying the Oilers to the Stanley Cup finals on his back then having to play behind some weak ass teams I don’t get the jab at Roloson performance as a Oiler.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: After carrying the Oilers to the Stanley Cup finals on his back then having to play behind some weak ass teams I don’t get the jab at Roloson performance as a Oiler.

    Roloson was fantastic for three rounds – a massive heater that almost won us the cup (along with Pronger and some unreal depth).

    He was a very poor starting goalie in the years after.

    He was the absolute kind of terrible goals, just awful. Generally a couple per game.

    I don’t care if a goalie is “solid” for most of the game if they leak two terrible goals – that means they weren’t solid.

  83. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve come off my 2RD stop-gap as the primary need this off-season – bite the bullet for another year I guess.

    I agree with your list, however, I have the exact opposite order with the 1B goaltender being the primary need.

    Yes, that sounds reasonable. Goaltending trumps all
    3 Quality adds this year
    3 next & who knows Gord willing there might be an in house solution by then in Jones or Bouchard
    Wouldn’t that be nice

  84. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Roloson was fantastic for three rounds – a massive heater that almost won us the cup (along with Pronger and some unreal depth).

    He was a very poor starting goalie in the years after.

    He was the absolute kind of terrible goals, just awful. Generally a couple per game.

    I don’t care if a goalie is “solid” for most of the game if they leak two terrible goals – that means they weren’t solid.

    Dwayne Roloson comes in at no 49 in all- time games played as a goalie in NHL history with 606.

  85. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Oilers are one of those cash-strapped teams…..

    What do the Oikes have at least estimate? About 10M plus the ability to free up another 8-10M?

    The Oilers are not in the same boat as some truly capped out teams. It is possable.

  86. who says:

    JimmyV1965: What I find interesting is that virtually every poster on this blog is willing to trade Benning – for the right price. Why is that? Because we have guys in the minors ready to replace him.The league is riddled with guys as good as Benning. Tampa’s top prospect is LHD Cal Foote.

    Maybe we can trade Benning for JT Miller. I certainly hope we can. I find it very very unlikely. The RHD thing is a bit of a red herring as well.Teams need top four RHD because they are scarce. Only about half the teams in the league have them. Bottom pairing RHD are not nearly as valuable because teams have guys in the minors, and you can run two LHD on the bottom pairing.

    Benning likely gets an uptick in value because maybe possibly he can play on the second pair. But this is far from a lock and teams know that.

    When was the last time we saw a bottom pairing dman traded for a top six forward? Honest question.

    Exactly

  87. Pescador says:

    Reja: Dwayne Roloson comes in at no 49 in all- time games played as a goalie in NHL history with 606.

    576 mediocre games played

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    If the UCL is set at $83M, they have just under $10M with an 18 person roster.

    They need to sign a substnatial 1B – $2.5M plus Jesse and JJ (combined $2.5M) leaving them apx $5M for 2 players.

    This includes Manning so, one sends him down and an extra million opens up but now 3 additions are required.

    Current cap space for material acquisitions is nothing.

    Yes, they can open up cap space but speculating the ability to do up to $10M seems aggressive. Who knows what they can truly dispose of without taking on egregious pain.

    Presumably Russell can be traded but, with his NTC, if he digs in, options can be limited and the team may not be able to get a full $4M.

    Sekera – trade market is probably slim until he plays for a few more months.

    Buyouts are egregious.

  89. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: You could be right but why not?

    Are you maybe overvaluing Johnsson – he’s going to be 25 a month in the season and has a total of 46 NHL points.He’s a former 7th round pick that has only been an NHL player for a total of one season.

    He had a nice season as a 24 year old rookie playing predominantly with Matthews and Riley being his second most common ice-mate – top line zooming.

    The Leafs need to move one of Kapanen or Johnsson as they can’t sign them both (unless they can move Marleau).They are in desperate need of right shot d-man.

    The Oilers have the leverage in the situation for a change.

    Sure the Leafs need to move someone.
    You don’t think they’ll get better offers for Johnsson than Benning?
    No way Benning gets you a fast, young 20 goal scorer.

  90. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree on the Dubnyk trade and I don’t agree that he was solid the year before – he vastly underperformed his numbers – as I said, he consistently gave up week goals at the worst time – it was Dwayne Roloson syndrome.

    To answer your question:

    – David Poile – traded him for future considerations
    – MarcBergevin – waived him and let him walk for nothing
    – Don Maloney – traded him for a third round pick

    All 3 of those GMs had established number 1 starters. The Oilers didn’t. Massive difference.
    I guess we’ll have to disagree on Dubnyk. I saw a guy who was pretty damm good in tandem with the Russian the year before. He was obviously good enough to be the number 1 guy for Canada at the World Championships.
    He had a couple of bad months under Eakins, the wondercoach. The whole team was shit and Mctavish threw him under the bus and traded him for pennies on the dollar.
    Classic Oilers move. Trade an asset at its lowest value.

  91. Reja says:

    Pescador: 576 mediocre games played

    That game 7 from what I remember in 2011 against the bruins to go to the cup final does that count as a quality start or mediocre start.

  92. Reja says:

    who: All 3 of those GMs had established number 1 starters. The Oilers didn’t.Massive difference.
    I guess we’ll have to disagree on Dubnyk. I saw a guy who was pretty damm good in tandem with the Russian the year before.He was obviously good enough to be the number 1 guy for Canada at the World Championships.
    He had a couple of bad months under Eakins, the wondercoach. The whole team was shit and Mctavish threw him under the bus and traded him for pennies on the dollar.
    Classic Oilers move. Trade an asset at its lowest value.

    Devan had some damn fine pedigree and he got swarmed right out of town there aren’t to many goalies that would not have lost their confidence in their game with the amount of grade A chances from the slot that the Oilers were giving up per game. They hung him out to dry it was embarrassing to be a fan.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    I will continue to disagree on Dunyk’s performance as an Oiler – the consistency of the bad goals was alarming. Even in the year where he had quite good numbers.

    Sure, those teams had legit starting goalies but, at the same time, general managers aren’t in the business of giving away assets that they believe they have value for nothing.

    Those GMs clearly did not think the player had any value or else they wouldn’t have disposed of the asset for “future considerations” or exposed him to waivers.

    Of note, he cleared waivers, not a GM in the league was willing to take him on and keep him in the NHL.

    I don’t think you can honestly tell me that he had any value or that any GM thought he would become a legit starting goalie.

  94. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will continue to disagree on Dunyk’s performance as an Oiler – the consistency ofthe bad goals was alarming.Even in the year where he had quite good numbers.

    Sure, those teams had legit starting goalies but, at the same time, general managers aren’t in the business of giving away assets that they believe they have value for nothing.

    Those GMs clearly did not think the player had any value or else they wouldn’t have disposed of the asset for “future considerations” or exposed him to waivers.

    Of note, he cleared waivers, not a GM in the league was willing to take him on and keep him in the NHL.

    I don’t think you can honestly tell me that he had any value or that any GM thought he would become a legit starting goalie.

    I don’t think you can honestly tell me that Eakins’ swarm d didn’t torpedo whatever trade value Dubnyk may have previously had.

    You’re conflating his trade value pre and post swarm d / if you have to ask the question.

  95. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I will continue to disagree on Dunyk’s performance as an Oiler – the consistency ofthe bad goals was alarming.Even in the year where he had quite good numbers.

    Sure, those teams had legit starting goalies but, at the same time, general managers aren’t in the business of giving away assets that they believe they have value for nothing.

    Those GMs clearly did not think the player had any value or else they wouldn’t have disposed of the asset for “future considerations” or exposed him to waivers.

    Of note, he cleared waivers, not a GM in the league was willing to take him on and keep him in the NHL.

    I don’t think you can honestly tell me that he had any value or that any GM thought he would become a legit starting goalie.

    I am not trying to tell you he had any value. He obviously didn’t if all they could get was Hendricks.
    I’m saying it was a mistake to trade him at his lowest value.
    Now you can write 50 posts stating your opinion but nothing you write is going to change my mind.

  96. Pescador says:

    Reja: That game 7 from what I remember in 2011 against the bruins to go to the cup finaldoes that count as a quality start or mediocre start.

    Yes I will accept that as 1 of the 30

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not sure what to make of the reports that the Oilers are interested in (maybe even close to signing) veteran SEL d-man Kristian Nakyva.

    Seems like an odd target given organizational depth – I tend not to extrapolate moves as predicating other bigger moves but, if it does happen maybe, it does mean there is a bigger move for player out – hopefully Russell (or Sekera) as opposed to Klefbom or Nurse. I’d be hesitant to trade either of the legit top 4 d-men (Larsson, Klef, Nurse) until one of the prospects proves top 4 ready (likely a year away) and/or Skera fully proves he is still a legit top 4 guy.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Personally, if they were looking to add a depth d-man who is unproven at the NHL level, I’d look to sign a guy like Tim Heed.

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    “… and then deals Benning for Connor Brown…”

    I see this all over the place, but can’t for the life of me reconcile the player values. To me Benning is worth a mid 2nd round pick easily – maybe an early pick – and Brown is worth a late 3rd or 4th. And with Toronto in a difficult place cap-wise they aren’t holding the upper hand in negotiations.

  100. Todd Macallan says:

    1030 MT presser from OEG, not the Oilers specifically. Wonder if this is Bobby Nicks moving on to IIHF, sincerely hope it is not regarding Katz’s health

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Presser at 1030 – kind of out of nowhere.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t think Fasel is stepping down for a while yet, is he? End of 2020?

  103. Pouzar says:

    Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger

    Expect the Oilers to name Bob Nicholson the Chairman of Edmonton Oilers hockey this morning. In addition the Oilers have hired longtime exec, Tom Anselmi to oversee the business side.
    6 mins ago

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mark Spector

    Verified account

    @SportsnetSpec
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Some organizational changes with Oilers being announced today. Bob Nicholson becomes Chairman – top hockey exec, with some global sports biz. Tom Anselmi joins OEG as new President, Business Ops and COO.

  105. ArmchairGM says:

    Washingtron:
    This isn’t gonna be popular, or maybe everyone is already saying it, but I don’t think Nuge finishes the year here if we’re not in a playoff position by the deadline.You won’t even get value given his UFA status.And his exit interview did not engender a lot of confidence in his desire to continue to toil in the land of eternal rebuilds.

    Seriously,does anyone see him re-signing in Edmonton when he’s a UFA?Good players even move from WINNING teams when the league is their oyster.Other than an insane overpay, which defeats the purpose, what is one single reason he would stay?The chance to hit a bakers dozen of coaches played under?

    Is trading him our only play?

    As of the next deadline, RNH will have about 1.5 years of contract left. I’m not sure his “UFA” status will affect the return much as he isn’t a rental.

  106. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Marleau has one year remaining on his deal. Moving that contract should not be difficult. My point is that we shouldn’t expect a top six forward for Benning. It’s unrealistic. Benning for Brown seems like a fair deal to me. One is third pair dman who could possibly move up the order. One is a third line winger who could possibly move up the order.

    But the value of a 3rd pairing D that has proven to be able to move up and play well isn’t equal to the value of a 3rd line W that has played well only with superstar centers. Not even close.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Doesn’t seem like this will change anything on the hockey ops side – Nicholson was always the top guy, essentially a liason between Holland and Katz, and will remain that guy.

  108. Buddy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I don’t think Fasel is stepping down for a while yet, is he?End of 2020?

    Dare to dream.

  109. Buddy says:

    Missed the Spector tweet. Curses, foiled again.

  110. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    l

    Andreas Johnsson – Oilers may need to add a small piece.

    I prefer Kapanen. Toronto has more depth on the right side and might be more open to dealing him, and we have more question marks on the right side. Nuge and Draisaitl can easily move to LW and Benson had a breakout season in the AHL, not sure we should be targeting Johnsson over Kap.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I prefer Kapanen. Toronto has more depth on the right side and might be more open to dealing him, and we have more question marks on the right side. Nuge and Draisaitl can easily move to LW and Benson had a breakout season in the AHL, not sure we should be targeting Johnsson over Kap.

    I prefer Kapanen as well but I think he is in a higher tier of acquisition cost.

  112. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    l

    Andreas Johnsson – Oilers may need to add a small piece.

    FWIW I have Edmonton sending #38 + McLeod to Toronto for Kapanen + Brown: takes ~5M off their cap and gives us 2 roster players in positions of need.

    IMO Kapanen is worth a late 1st at best and Brown is likely worth a 4th, so sending #38 + #40 seems pretty even.

    Benning’s value is around #40 too, so I think your “Benning + a small piece” is exactly what Johnsson / Kapanen are worth.

  113. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Makes me wonder about the status of Kevin Lowe.

    Weren’t Nicholson and Lowe even in the org chart before, with Nicholson in charge of Hockey Ops and Lowe in charge of business?

    Would be a breath of fresh air with no Lowe or MacTavish at the draft table this year…

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: When was the last time we saw a bottom pairing dman traded for a top six forward? Honest question.

    I haven’t looked at this, but here’s an interesting one:

    Feb 28, 2017, Detroit Red Wings Acquire:

    2017 3rd round pick (NYR – #83 – Zachary Gallant)
    2018 2nd round pick (OTT – #33 – Jonatan Berggren)

    New York Rangers Acquire:

    Brendan Smith · $2,750,000

    ************************************************************************************************************

    July 2 2017, New Jersey Devils Acquire:

    Marcus Johansson · $4,583,333

    Washington Capitals Acquire:

    2018 2nd round pick (FLA – #46 – Martin Fehérváry)
    2018 3rd round pick (TOR – #87 – Linus Karlsson)

    ************************************************************************************************************

    Smith was Detroit’s 5th defenseman by TOI vs Elites (thanks puckiq) that year, Johansson was coming off a season where he posted 82, 24-34-58 +25 and was signed for 2 more seasons. Maybe there was something else going on here that I don’t remember, but that’s a 28-year-old 3rd pairing defender garnering a higher take than a 26-year-old top-6 forward.

  115. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Mark Spector

    Verified account

    @SportsnetSpec2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Some organizational changes with Oilers being announced today. Bob Nicholson becomes Chairman – top hockey exec, with some global sports biz. Tom Anselmi joins OEG as new President, Business Ops and COO.

    Geezus… is hiring someone who just recently resigned from the even worse tire fire than Edmonton that is Ottawa a wise move? That organization has been a complete mess the last few years. How did he help or hinder the handling of all their controversies?

  116. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Kapanen would require another material asset in addition to Benning – I’ve read proposals to trade the #8 for Kapanen – his value is much higher than Johnsson’s and I’d rather shop in the middle.

    Toronto fans are dreaming in technicolor if they think Kapanen will get #8, it just isn’t happening. #8 is a Nylander-level player.

  117. pts2pndr says:

    jtblack: Lots of players drop due to injury as GM’s are short sighted.

    Chycrun
    Barzal
    Benson

    Krebs …. at the very least, as someone posted earlier, the Avs wont let him past #16

    I know I’m late to the party but does it really matter if someone with a second pick in the first round is willing to take a chance. Does that fact add value or is that team playing with house money? Logic dictates that unless that player is better injured than a healthy player I would pick the best player available but give serious consideration to the injury. One should never be influenced by what someone else might do. It is imperative that the team does what is best for the team.

  118. pts2pndr says:

    who: Exactly

    And since when is your boy from Toronto a top six forward? There is room to argue on either side.

  119. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: Devanhad some damn fine pedigree and he got swarmed right out of town there aren’tto many goalies that would not have lost their confidence in theirgame with the amount of grade A chances from the slot that the Oilers were giving up per game. They hung him out to dry it was embarrassing to be a fan.

    I agree. Thank you!

    russ99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Makes me wonder about the status of Kevin Lowe.

    Weren’t Nicholson and Lowe even in the org chart before, with Nicholson in charge of Hockey Ops and Lowe in charge of business?

    Would be a breath of fresh air with no Lowe or MacTavish at the draft table this year…

    In fairness MacT took Drai and Nurse in the first round. Given what was available that alone gives him a gold star. He was also part of the trade down that gave us gave us Maksimov and a pretty decent D.
    While I was bitterly against his choice of coach ( Eakins ) and in my opinion unwise support of Eakins MacT did some good things.

  120. pts2pndr says:

    ArmchairGM: FWIW I have Edmonton sending #38 + McLeod to Toronto for Kapanen + Brown: takes ~5M off their cap and gives us 2 roster players in positions of need.

    IMO Kapanen is worth a late 1st at best and Brown is likely worth a 4th, so sending #38 + #40 seems pretty even.

    Benning’s value is around #40 too, so I think your “Benning + a small piece” is exactly what Johnsson / Kapanen are worth.

    I like your rational but am not sure it is something I would do. Given the forever Toronto media B.S that we would hear forever my choice would be to only make a trade with Toronto that is a undefiable win!

  121. pts2pndr says:

    Jaxon: Geezus… is hiring someone who just recently resigned from the even worse tire fire than Edmonton that is Ottawa a wise move? That organization has been a complete mess the last few years. How did he help or hinder the handling of all their controversies?

    Maybe he was the sane voice that nobody listened to. There are good people in bad organizations.

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