Personal Opinion

by Lowetide

I rarely do these, but we’re on the edge of a new reality and wanted to post my notes as both a chronicle of thoughts and perhaps the start of a conversation. I will tell you that Ken Holland is acting like a mature manager but we don’t really know one damned thing. We can mutter amongst ourselves and project greatness from this day forward, but if Holland backward travels with the roster he currently owns this could be more than a mountain.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group. INSANE OFFER IS HERE!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A with Ken Holland: On the draft, buyouts, free agency and how to have a successful offseason
  • New Lowetide: Trading for Loui Eriksson: What makes sense for the Oilers?
  • New Jonathan Willis: Differing needs of Oilers, Jets could create a trade fit
  • New Lowetide: How will Ken Holland build around Connor McDavid?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The top five players the Oilers could lose in the expansion draft
  • Jonathan Willis: What a trade involving Edmonton’s No. 8 pick might look like given Ken Holland’s history
  • LowetideHard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How a third-line grinder launched the star-filled Oilers to their first Stanley Cup and a hockey dynasty.
  • Lowetide: Is Zack Kassian the answer for the McDavid-Draisaitl line?
  • Lowetide: NHL Combine brings Oilers dual problems into focus for Ken Holland
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the Oilers roster to see which players fit Dave Tippett’s ‘aggressive, fast team’ approach
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Dave Tippett’s coaching philosophy, how he relays information to his players and why information is king
  • Lowetide: What will Ken Holland see in Evan Bouchard?
  • Lowetide: Does Oilers’ signing of Joakim Nygard signal a measured approach to summer 2019?
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s roster deployment in Arizona and what it might mean for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Why Ken Holland’s worst years in Detroit tell us the most about how he’ll fare in Edmonton
  • Jonathan Willis: Three offseason scenarios and how each one would affect the Oilers salary cap
  • Lowetide: Examining the Oilers’ goaltending options in free agency.
  • Jonathan Willis: Every Oilers AHL prospect, rated by how close they are to the NHL
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Protector, supporter, confidant: Connor McDavid’s mom, Kelly, is his off-ice rock through good times and bad
  • Lowetide: An offseason plan for Ken Holland to remodel the Oilers roster.

PERSONAL OPINION

One of Ken Holland’s first words about the roster upon arrival pertained to getting another goalie, a 1A type to play with Koskinen. That’s the play here, I’ve named Brian Elliott and it’s certain some concur and others have their own preferences. Get a solid NHL goalie for under $3 million.

On defense, I wouldn’t trade any of Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson or Darnell Nurse. I’ll go you one farther, I’d run Matt Benning as 2RHD at least early in the season. A third pair of Andrej Sekera and Joel Persson or Caleb Jones might flourish.

I’d stay away from short term 2RHD solutions. You have to assume Evan Bouchard is going to be good for an NHL role some time this coming season, and perhaps second pair by 2020 fall. No reason to spend heavily.

I also think there’s going to need to be some kind of cull in the next eight months among the blue. I would move Kris Russell, but would also consider moving William Lagesson or Ethan Bear at the deadline if Benning, Jones/Persson and Bouchard are working. Oilers finally have some depth, but this time next year Jones, Bear and Lagesson will be coming up on waiver eligibility.

Nurse offers a challenge for sure, his next contract is out there waiting and it won’t resemble Klefbom’s or Larsson’s. I know there’s a lot of voices saying trade the guy, but I don’t see the point until another defenseman steps up and proves he can play 23:59 (Klefbom), 23:49 (Nurse) and 21:37 (Larsson). Seeing Russell’s 20:26 walk is enough for one summer.

PERSONAL OPINION: EVAN BOUCHARD

One final note on defense: Evan Bouchard. You know, he only had 71 minutes at 5-on-5 for the Oilers before being sent out, but his possession numbers (Corsi and Corsi Rel) were positive (Rel: 8.67 via Natural Stat Trick and DFF Red: 3.40 via Puck IQ). Tyler Dellow’s excellent article (here) is one of several I’ve read on the subject that basically say (quoting Dellow now) “you can start to pull guys apart from a fairly young age and that a lot of guys who’d be regarded as the cream of the crop seemed to rise to the top from a fairly young age.” So, don’t trade for a 2RHD when you might have one coming through the system.

I don’t know much about him beyond he’s a puck mover who can skate, NHLE is 25. Elite Prospects says “great skating ability and passing skills. Has great vision and a good shot. Excels on the powerplay, but could use more physical strength.” He’s a Finn playing in Sweden, he could be something or he could be something else. No idea if the Oilers will sign him but this is interesting radar. Profile is here.

MORE PERSONAL OPINION

Building up the middle is an important piece of team building. The Oilers are flat out loaded at center. Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins represent a dream team of pivots, and one sweet day they’ll have six wingers who can keep up. Until then, I think the GM will need to have five centers on the roster for the moments (games, months, years) when the coach decides to run 97 and 29 together.

That means going out and acquiring a No. 3-4 center, and I think Jean-Gabriel Pageau would be ideal. The No. 4 slot might land with Colby Cave, Kyle Brodziak or even Cooper Marody, but Pageau can slide into the No. 3 center role and deliver. That’s an important addition this summer, far more important than a bridge to Bouchard on defense.

Left wing is going to have Leon Draisaitl, Milan Lucic, Joakim Nygard and Jujhar Khaira (is my guess) this coming season. I’d give Tyler Benson a chance in training camp and if he forced the issue, bring him north at the end of camp. I would also try to add an inexpensive option to this group, someone like Tyler Ennis or Brandon Pirri. If everyone works out, you can move Nygard to RW, Khaira to center or Lucic to the pressbox. Holland will want depth on left wing, I think adding Ennis/Pirri is the right thing to do.

Right wing has Zack Kassian, Sam Gagner and possibly Alex Chiasson. I’m not sure about Jesse Puljujarvi, so we’re going to put him aside for the time being. I think Brett Connolly or similar is needed, not for the 97 line but for Nuge. Need an NHL player who has enough skill and ability to win the puck and pass it. I don’t think Kailor Yamamoto should be counted on, at least at the start of the year.

POTENTIAL ROSTER

This is my opinion. Is it good enough to make the playoffs? Don’t know. The team will be better on the PK, especially if the Lucic for Eriksson deal goes through. I’ve moved on several players, notably Kris Russell and Jesse Puljujarvi, imagining in my brain a bigger deal with Ottawa.

DNB INTERVIEW WITH KEN HOLLAND

All of the words above were written before 7 this morning my time. I’m not going to change a word (ordinarily I write in the evening, edit in the morning) because Daniel Nugent-Bowman dropped an amazing one-on-one with Ken Holland at The Athletic today. Link is here. An absolute monster.

Anselmi has an impressive resume, including work for MLSE and the Ottawa Senators. There was much speculation about Nicholson leaving, that should put things to rest.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We’re off to a rocking start to the week, with strong guests, an Oilers media avail and a championship the whole nation can get behind. 10 this morning, TSN1260.

Alex Thomas, Oilers Rig and Boston Hockey Now. We’ll chat SCF, David Ortiz and Oilers summer.

Oilers media avail at 10:30, news about Nicholson and Anselmi.

Jason Gregor at 11, we’ll review Oilers press conference, talk SCF and NBA finals.

Brian Swane, Basketball Alberta and The Basketball Show. Raptors!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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ArmchairGM

Thought I would repost this from the other thread this morning to continue the winger vs defenseman value debate:

JimmyV1965: When was the last time we saw a bottom pairing dman traded for a top six forward? Honest question.

I haven’t looked at this, but here’s an interesting one:

Feb 28, 2017, Detroit Red Wings Acquire:

2017 3rd round pick (NYR – #83 – Zachary Gallant)
2018 2nd round pick (OTT – #33 – Jonatan Berggren)

New York Rangers Acquire:

Brendan Smith · $2,750,000

************************************************************************************************************

July 2 2017, New Jersey Devils Acquire:

Marcus Johansson · $4,583,333

Washington Capitals Acquire:

2018 2nd round pick (FLA – #46 – Martin Fehérváry)
2018 3rd round pick (TOR – #87 – Linus Karlsson)

************************************************************************************************************

Smith was Detroit’s 5th defenseman by TOI vs Elites (thanks puckiq) that year, Johansson was coming off a season where he posted 82, 24-34-58 +25 and was signed for 2 more seasons. Maybe there was something else going on here that I don’t remember, but that’s a 28-year-old 3rd pairing defender garnering a higher take than a 26-year-old top-6 forward.

ArmchairGM

Also, if anyone is watching the presser right now, feel free to update us here.

N64

ArmchairGM:
Also, if anyone is watching the presser right now, feel free to update us here.

not yet. 1030 MDT

N64

“There was much speculation about Nicholson leaving, that should put things to rest.”

Just a sec. Doesn’t kicking him up on a notch mean half the work of replacing him is done? Holland recently got “promoted” by Detroit. If anything this sets up nicely for the potential promotion from IIHF vice next year.

N64

Is it too early to start the KLowe departure speculation? 😉

tileguy

You might be taking JP off the shelf quicker than you think if Alex Chiasson is looking for $3M+ and term. I wonder if the Oil have kcked his tires yet and know exactly what they are going to do with him. Three months ago we all agreed we would extend him in that $1.5 range, that seems like pie in the sky now.

ArmchairGM

Nit64: not yet. 1030 MDT

Oopsie.

Yeti

Indeed, that’s a fabulous interview with Holland by Nugent-Bowman. I’m struggling to put together the reputed interest in Näkyvä with Holland’s comment that he’s got enough defensemen. Nice to see the emphasis on building slowly, through the drafts and prospects, and looking for minor moves to bring in wingers.

tileguy

Oilers Entertainment Group announced Bob Nicholson will assume the new role of Chairman, Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club while Tom Anselmi has been hired as President, Business Operations and Chief Operating Officer of EOHC and ICE District.
Not sure what that means.

tileguy

Holland to burgers to Katz, nothing new here folks, move along.

OriginalPouzar

Wow, an absolutely ton of info on The Athletic piece by DNB on his talk with the the GM.

I guess I shouldn’t post too much info since it just came out, don’t know protocol but I think there are some prudent things to discuss, in particular as they related to his path forward.

With repsect to this off-season:

– asked if he’s planning on any buyouts and he said he’s considering it but hasn’t made any decision (OP really hopes he doesn’t buy anyone out unless the penalty is somewhat nominal, like Manning).

– asked if he could forsee a sitatuion when he traded the 1st rounder – he said he doesn’t forsee such a scenario but “but if the phone rings and something intriguing is offered I have a responsibility to answer the phone and hear them out. But there are no short-term fixes.”

– when asked about this summer’s shopping list:

– he needs to sign a goalie
– not looking to add anything on defence (hoping for some better luck with injuries)
– up front he needs to build the bottom 6
– exploring the marketplace for wingers – “We’ve got to build up the the forwards”

– When asked about McDavid’s health he said he’s expecting him on the ice for camp – he’s spoken with his agent, the team doctor, the athletic trainer and been kept updated and everything he’s been told is that we are on schdule.

– On re-signing Puljujuarv – he said he doesn’t know much about him except for draft pedigree. Only had one conversation with his agent so far. He’s going to do everything he can to get him signed but “it takes two to tango.”. He’s a good young talented player and he hopes Tippett and provide some stability and that he wants to be an Oiler.

– On potentially re-signing Nurse this offseason (a year early) – he doesn’t really know him well enough – “I’ve gotta get to know the person. Do they go to the gym? How much do they sacrifice? How committed are they to fitness? How much to they compete on an every-night basis? Those are the things I look at when I’m making assessments and determinations on contract extensions.”

godot10

One of the Tampa forwards (whoever shakes loose as a cap casualty) is a far better option than Brett Connolly.

OriginalPouzar

“On defense, I wouldn’t trade any of Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson or Darnell Nurse. I’ll go you one farther, I’d run Matt Benning as 2RHD at least early in the season. A third pair of Andrej Sekera and Joel Persson or Caleb Jones might flourish.”

I’ve changed my position about a 2RD stop gap, in conjunction with a Russell disposition, being the primary need this off-season. I think we need to try and fill this internally, yet again and keep our cap and asset currency free.

I’m not sure if Benning will be the guy at 2RD, and I’m even OK moving him if we can get a player like Andreas Johnsson, but he is an option.

I’m also liking the idea of trying Nurse on his off-side with Sekera – for some reason I don’t think Nurse’s game will be effected too much on his off side – could be wrong.

Holland has stated he’s not looking to upgrade the defence this off season so we shouldn’t be anticipating any top 4 acquisition.

OriginalPouzar

“Nurse offers a challenge for sure, his next contract is out there waiting and it won’t resemble Klefbom’s or Larsson’s. I know there’s a lot of voices saying trade the guy, but I don’t see the point until another defenseman steps up and proves he can play 23:59 (Klefbom), 23:49 (Nurse) and 21:37 (Larsson). Seeing Russell’s 20:26 walk is enough for one summer.”

There may definitely be a time where the organization needs to, or should, move on from Klefbom or Nurse – it may be “forced” due to a combination of cost (Nurse’s next contract) and, preferably, continued progression from the internal options (Jones, Lagesson, Samorukov).

That time, in my opinion, is not now – it behooves the organization to ensure there is adequate cover prior to using the minute munchers as asset currency.

N64

OriginalPouzar: Wow, an absolutely ton of info on The Athletic piece by DNB on his talk with the the GM.

Also mentioned that head scout runs the draft and managers weigh in philosophically and sometimes directly. Very next breath he mentioned living 2 miles from the U.S. National Development Program.

To me with all the zooming on that team I think that’s a positive that could assist with steering away from players as much as to them.

jp

Lowetide: I don’t know much about him beyond he’s a puck mover who can skate, NHLE is 25. Elite Prospects says “great skating ability and passing skills. Has great vision and a good shot. Excels on the powerplay, but could use more physical strength.” He’s a Finn playing in Sweden, he could be something or he could be something else. No idea if the Oilers will sign him but this is interesting radar. Profile is here.

For what it’s worth, that Elite Prospects blurb was written 6 years ago, so it’s quite possible he’s added some man strength since then (is listed as 6′, 198 lbs).

His offense might also have been suppressed by the teams he’s played on.
17-18 Linkoping Nakyva 26Pts Team Leader 35Pts
18-19 Orebro Nakyva 27Pts Team Leader 33Pts

He’s much more likely something else, but interesting intel for sure.

Jordan

godot10:
One of the Tampa forwards (whoever shakes loose as a cap casualty) is a far better option than Brett Connolly.

Godot, other than following a lot of the commentary here about who might be a good pickup for the Oilers, I don’t know a lot about the “tampa forwards” you’re referencing.

Would you please help me to understand why you believe one of or several of those forwards would be a better pickup than Connolly?

JimmyV1965

ArmchairGM:
Thought I would repost this from the other thread this morning to continue the winger vs defenseman value debate:

I haven’t looked at this, but here’s an interesting one:

Feb 28, 2017, Detroit Red Wings Acquire:

2017 3rd round pick (NYR – #83 – Zachary Gallant)
2018 2nd round pick (OTT – #33 – Jonatan Berggren)

New York Rangers Acquire:

Brendan Smith · $2,750,000

************************************************************************************************************

July 2 2017, New Jersey Devils Acquire:

Marcus Johansson · $4,583,333

Washington Capitals Acquire:

2018 2nd round pick (FLA – #46 – Martin Fehérváry)
2018 3rd round pick (TOR – #87 – Linus Karlsson)

************************************************************************************************************

Smith was Detroit’s 5th defenseman by TOI vs Elites (thanks puckiq) that year, Johansson was coming off a season where he posted 82, 24-34-58 +25 and was signed for 2 more seasons. Maybe there was something else going on here that I don’t remember, but that’s a 28-year-old 3rd pairing defender garnering a higher take than a 26-year-old top-6 forward.

Not really. I posed the question in context of Benning being traded for JT Miller. I don’t think either of those trades are comparable, unless you think Miller would be traded for #33 and #83.

godot10

Jordan: Godot, other than following a lot of the commentary here about who might be a good pickup for the Oilers, I don’t know a lot about the “tampa forwards” you’re referencing.

Would you please help me to understand why you believe one of or several of those forwards would be a better pickup than Connolly?

Connolly couldn’t beat most of them out of a job when he had a chance in Tampa, Most of them have better and far longer track records.

ArmchairGM

Yeti:
Indeed, that’s a fabulous interview with Holland by Nugent-Bowman. I’m struggling to put together the reputed interest in Näkyvä with Holland’s comment that he’s got enough defensemen.

He did say that he’s looking to make some moves in the next 6 weeks, could we imply from the comments you point out that those moves include a defenseman going out?

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Good timing on this peice article: I’ve been ruminating about the Oil path as well:

If the Oil can do stuff this year to get into the playoffs (healthy D, no turmoil, core a year older, secondary scoring), and a better batch of Reider, Rattie, Pool, Kailer type bets for winger this year 2020 presents a real opportunity, as all these salaries are gone:

1) Gagner $3.2MM
2) Kassian $2MM
3) Mannings $2.2MM
4) Gryba $300K
5) Benning: $2MM

– That’s $9.7MM in Cap space

Then the 2 bigger tickets for 2020 :
6) Russel is tradeable asset: base salary of $1.5MM: that’s good value for a vet D
7)Lucic, after his bonus is paid, his salary is $1mm, $2.5MM, $1MM: so a tradeable asset, without sweetner (a no brainer for Seatlle)

– That’s an additional $10MM in Cap space

– Planning for $20MM in 2020, to the extent they want to push this year, vs let it bleed (and/or trade-deadline moves)

– sometimes it’s the moves you don’t do that work out best

– And you then have Bouchard, Jones, Marody, Benson, Lagesson, Bear, Persson, AHL goalies, MacLeod, etc: you have a better idea of where they slot

– I’m sure they will move one or both of Lucic and Russell this off-season, and probably someone we haven’t thought of: but the big picture, and $20MM in 2020 and some of the crop of development who are going to be cheap: it’s a real thing

– And its so much easier to trade when your team is decent than purely sellers…

* Edit: This is the quote from Holland: ” If the Edmonton Oilers can legitimately compete – be in thick of the race, not chasing the race – then I think that we’ve had a really good offseason.”

– A plan! Yes please. We wait…

Woodguy v2.0

godot10: Connolly couldn’t beat most of them out of a job when he had a chance in Tampa,Most of them have better and far longer track records.

I agree with this.

The issue is that the TBY forwards will cost to acquire. Probably a significant cost in terms of players/picks

Connolly only costs money.

That’s a big deal unless you can get a TBY forward for one of the young LHD, which is the only surplus position.

godot10

Woodguy v2.0: I agree with this.

The issue is that the TBY forwards will cost to acquire.Probably a significant cost in terms of players/picks

Connolly only costs money.

That’s a big deal unless you can get a TBY forward for one of the young LHD, which is the only surplus position.

The prices for salary cap casualties should not be excessive. There are many teams that have players they have to trade as salary cap casualties.

JT Miller’s trade protection list kicks in July 1. Holland has to move soon. Otherwise one of their forwards will have to have Edmonton on their list.

Gerald

russ99

1. We need to cut cap. Holland could sure prove his worth to the fanbase by finding cap cutting moves to trade away Lucic and Sekera – without having any 32+ year old $5-6M cap players in the bottom six or bottom pair D.

2. Injuries happen, so I’d be gunshy to move any other defenseman given #1 – aligns with Holland’s interview. Bouchard is going to be our #2 RHD within 1-2.5 years so I don’t get the urgency to add there or force another of our players to play on his off hand side.

3. We can’t go into the season without a major improvement at the wings, this is our top priority – aligns with Holland’s interview.

4. Backup goalie and bottom six forwards are best addressed in FA after the first 2-3 days.

5. If we can trade down from #8 and add, this is worth exploring.

6. Jesse’s situation is tricky. However, I’d love to see a hardline approach against anything his agent wants. Jesse is an Oilers asset until he isn’t so Holland needs to manage that asset for the best interests of the Oilers. If it takes a holdout to get him to play in Europe, so be it.

OilSafety

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– Good timing on this peice article: I’ve been ruminating about the Oil path as well:

If the Oil can do stuff this year to get into the playoffs (healthy D, no turmoil, core a year older, secondary scoring), and a better batch of Reider, Rattie, Pool, Kailer type bets for winger this year 2020 presents a real opportunity, as all these salaries are gone:

1)Gagner $3.2MM
2)Kassian $2MM
3)Mannings $2.2MM
4)Gryba $300K
5)Benning: $2MM

–That’s $9.7MM in Cap space

Then the 2 bigger tickets for 2020 :
6) Russel is tradeable asset: base salary of $1.5MM: that’s good value for a vet D
7)Lucic, after his bonus is paid, his salary is $1mm, $2.5MM, $1MM: so a tradeable asset, without sweetner (a no brainer for Seatlle)

– That’s an additional $10MM in Cap space

– Planning for $20MM in 2020, to the extent they want to push this year, vs let it bleed (and/or trade-deadline moves)

– sometimes it’s the moves you don’t do that work out best

– And you then have Bouchard, Jones, Marody, Benson, Lagesson, Bear, Persson, AHL goalies, MacLeod, etc: you have a better idea of where they slot

– I’m sure they will move one or both of Lucic and Russell this off-season, and probably someone we haven’t thought of: but the big picture, and $20MM in 2020 and some of the crop of development who are going to be cheap: it’s a real thing

– And its so much easier to trade when your team is decent than purely sellers…

Jonathan Willis at the Athletic contemplated a Russell for Perrault deal which is pretty even money wise and with the fact both players are a bit overpaid for what they bring.

I like that option.

Would Perrault be a middle six winger for hte Oil, or could he solve our 3C slot?

OilSafety

russ99:
1. We need to cut cap.Holland could sure prove his worth to the fanbase by finding cap cutting moves to trade away Lucic and Sekera – without having any 32+ year old $5-6M cap players in the bottom six or bottom pair D.

2. Injuries happen, so I’d be gunshy to move any other defenseman given #1 – aligns with Holland’s interview. Bouchard is going to be our #2 RHD within 1-2.5 years so I don’t get the urgency to add there or force another of our players to play on his off hand side.

3. We can’t go into the season without a major improvement at the wings, this is our top priority – aligns with Holland’s interview.

4. Backup goalie and bottom six forwards are best addressed in FA after the first 2-3 days.

5. If we can trade down from #8 and add, this is worth exploring.

6. Jesse’s situation is tricky. However, I’d love to see a hardline approach against anything his agent wants. Jesse is an Oilers asset until he isn’t so Holland needs to manage that asset for the best interests of the Oilers. If it takes a holdout to get him to play in Europe, so be it.

The more I read about Jesse’s situation the more I think the fresh start he needs is a new GM AND a new agent.

slopitch

“You’ve gotta decide when to pay term. That’s how you’re gonna land players. If you ask me about the Edmonton Oilers and free agency but you don’t wanna give any term, we might as well just go fishing.”

Just go fishing lol. The Oilers pay an weather tax as is. As a team with cap issues, I just cant see them getting close to value until July 15th.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: – On re-signing Puljujuarv – he said he doesn’t know much about him except for draft pedigree. Only had one conversation with his agent so far. He’s going to do everything he can to get him signed but “it takes two to tango.”. He’s a good young talented player and he hopes Tippett and provide some stability and that he wants to be an Oiler.

Interestingly, when talking about wingers later in the conversation he started naming the players he’s got: Khaira’s name was mentioned, Puljujarvi’s name was not.

I’ve got a bad feeling…

slopitch

LT any reason why you wouldnt pick Kadri as a 3C target? He could be 2C and let Nuge play 2LW… I dont know the cost but TO has some real cap issues if they dont get Marner under 9 million (which they shouldnt).

Melvis

ArmchairGM: Oopsie.

Thank you very much. I needed working titles for a series of paintings I’m working on. Oopsie1, Oopsie 2, and so forth…pretty much covers it.

It’s a process – like the Oilers since the Messier trade to the Rangers.

ArmchairGM

JimmyV1965: Not really. I posed the question in context of Benning being traded for JT Miller. I don’t think either of those trades are comparable, unless you think Miller would be traded for #33 and #83.

Not really what?

dustrock

That’s a great interview by DNB and frankly there’s nothing alarming and actual info in there, unlike say Chiarelli.

Obviously given the time of year Holland is hedging his bets a bit but he’s saying all the right things.

I also appreciate he’s flat-out honest in saying he doesn’t really know Nuse and Puljujarvi. I like that a lot better than Chia destroying our prospect depth by trading for a guy Bob Green really liked in junior.

Other interesting notes:

(1) He fully expects Woodcroft to be back, I suspect the hesitation is allowing Jay to explore head coaching opportunities. Did not mention LA at all which is good.

(2) Kretzky is staying and is managing Bakersfield (I seem to recall Mac T doing that previously).

Says he likes Kretzky’s eye for players, wants to have him do some scouting once the season is under way.

dustrock

Is it strange to have a press conference about the Anselmi hire?

Is this just the team trying to be more open with communications? Certainly seems like something they would simply issue a press release for in prior years.

LadiesloveSmid

I bet TB dumps Callahan pretty easily. I imagine they go all in this year, next year when Sergachev, Vasilevskiy, and Cirelli need contracts they’ll be dumping Palat/Killorn/whoever.

slopitch

1) Gagner $3.2MM
2) Kassian $2MM
3) Mannings $2.2MM
4) Gryba $300K
5) Benning: $2MM

Like Kinger said, the cap issues are only this year.

Year 1: Russell for Reimer, Lucic for Eriksson
Year 2: Move up Sekera, cap goes up 2-3 million

They really should be focusing on a Mark Stone type addition to drive the 2nd line. Kadri, Hall, whomever. No need to piss around and waste another season… keep the 8th overall but lets play ball.

I know the Oilers will want to have their goalies in place for the start of the season but waiting for waivers isnt the worst option. Carolina did very well getting McInney for free.

Woodguy v2.0

godot10: The prices for salary cap casualties should not be excessive.There are many teams that have players they have to trade as salary cap casualties.

JT Miller’s trade protection list kicks in July 1.Holland has to move soon.Otherwise one of their forwards will have to have Edmonton on their list.

Gerald

There should be a bidding war if TBY is selling Actual NHL top 6 forwards for the futures.

Prices will probably get fairly high (asset wise)

Kinger_Oil.redux

OilSafety:

Would Perrault be a middle six winger for hte Oil, or could he solve our 3C slot?

– This is the kind of “test” that will be interesting this off-season IMO. Next year Russell costs only $1.5MM. D are more valuable that F’s.

– So do you do this lateral move, for a guy who will be harder to move next year? Or do you be patient, knowing that you can for sure get a full-disposition in a year?

– Virtually all of the analysis of any moves contemplated are isolated only to the present. I’d rather have Russell for depth on D this year, and trade him for an asset easy next year, and trust that Holland can find a 15 goal scorer for half that price: but can totally see them doing this.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Bob: Wayne and Kevin will be staying with the organization (as ambassadors). They will not be making any hockey ops decisions.

Kinger_Oil.redux

slopitch,

– I didn’t consider Sek, but if you assume that he plays a healthy, he could be moved next off season as well, and you have $26MM. not sure if you can run this D though as soon as 2020:

Klef-Larsson
Nurse-Bouchard
Jones-(best of Laggs/Samu/Bear/Persson, etc)

* and whose to say Starrett isn’t ready: the guy Bennington in St-Louis looks pretty good… I’d go Koski/waiver-wire G/Starrett as well, and have an extra $1MM…

razor

No offense LT, but if we roll out this Fall with that forward group, then we won’t touch the playoffs. Ennis and Connolly don’t move the needle much from what we already have. I think we need some more substantial forward pickups. I agree with you for the plan on D though (and it sounds like Holland does to). No need to rush a D pickup given what’s bubbling under. Also a healthy Sekera is a major factor.

N64

If the new biz guys looks in here as part of his customer research just one immediate thing…

There’s a long perception that the org is sometimes behind slagging current or ex players. Root that out from the culture ASAP. Oh and there’s a show at noon in this market that leaves the impression that comment is based on a direct line to the team or higher.

slopitch

Kinger_Oil.redux: er Sek, but if you

Worse case he’s off the books in year+2. But either way they have the flexibility imo to either keep him or move on if others are playing better. He’ll be 34 next year but plays a smart game. Id be open to seeing how he does, with no injuries for once he’ll prob be ok.

With goalies, its so competitive. There is no reason to commit to an average backup even. Play the field. IMO Koskinen + Reimer is very average.

dustrock

LT has talked about balance since Y2K was a real scare.

Woodguy has shown us historically that the elite teams need to be 50%+ CF when their best players are off the ice.

This isn’t the NBA, not even Connor McDavid can get the Oilers into the playoffs by himself. Nor Draisaitl and his 50 (holy hell, 50!!) goals. Playing them 24 minutes per game seems like madness and hardly a recipe for success.

Other than C, every aspect of the team needs to be better.

I think the forwards will be better, even if it’s just that guys like Gambo, Benson and Marody contribute for cheap.

I am not at all satisfied with the defence but there are no quick moves here and I think you just have to wait 2 more years until Bouchard and Samorukov hopefully are ready for some big minutes.

No panic moves, no moves which create another large hole to fill.

No UFA overpay for salary or term.

Get Lucic out because it’s a major distraction. Otherwise, steady as she goes. Build the rest of the team to at least saw off against the other teams.

Ribs

That’s some big morning news right there. I did not expect Nicholson to fire/promote himself! This feels like the right move.

Jethro Tull

Buyer Beware with those TBY forwards.

1) They’re going to try their damndest to lose the fwd with perceived least value to them – either cap or skill wise.

2) They play a very rigid system. Is it possible for the coach’s system to zoom a player? Also, are we 100% sure who’s zooming whom?

3) I have no doubt whoever shakes free will be very good – but it’s easy to be good on a good team. Increased minutes and responsibilities on a not so good to terrible team?

I hope homework is done before we buy a fwd just because he played for TBY.

Oil2Oilers

Samorukov has caught Holland’s attention. In the Athletic article Holland mentioned him a few times. Often worry about prospects getting orphaned when a new GM takes over, this does not appear to be happening with Samorukov.

ArmchairGM

Kinger_Oil.redux:
slopitch,

– I didn’t consider Sek, but if you assume that he plays a healthy, he could be moved next off season as well, and you have $26MM.not sure if you can run this D though as soon as 2020:

Klef-Larsson
Nurse-Bouchard
Jones-(best of Laggs/Samu/Bear/Persson, etc)

* and whose to say Starrett isn’t ready: the guy Bennington in St-Louis looks pretty good… I’d go Koski/waiver-wire G/Starrett as well, and have an extra $1MM…

If you could run that defense in 2020-21, you’d have enough room to add a Hall-level player comfortably without trading Lucic. There’s even space for Sekera or Russell (but not both).

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/230154

leadfarmer

Unless we can get a puck moving RHD stopgap for very cheap we should not be spending assets to fill that hole. We have so many defensemen coming up in the system that we will have to get rid of defensemen and not add.

Getting guy like Connolly as UFA is how teams get burned in UFA. Someone is going to regret that contract on day 1

Teams aound the league are running out of cap space. The goal should be to spend the next two years acquiring as much cap space as we can and then make a push. Bring guys in on short term contracts unless you can get a legitimate top 6 forward like Zucker

geowal

No more “Bob’s Burgers” jokes then?