Lucky Star

When the Edmonton Oilers selected Philip Broberg at No. 8 overall on Friday night, it set off a countdown to selection No. 38. Depending on how you count these things, by the end of the first round there were 6-10 legit scoring forwards still on the board. Only two (Arthur Kaliyev and Bobby Brink) went in the second round before Edmonton selected Raphael Lavoie, and as it turned out the team could have picked any of Nick Robertson, Egor Afanasyev, Nils Hoglander and several others.

Ken Holland, Keith Gretzky and Bob Green didn’t see the draft as “Byram and then a bunch of guys” on defense. The management and scouting staff valued Broberg above the substantial skill wingers — to the point where Edmonton was willing to risk getting a quality scoring forward with either of the first two picks. That’s the story, morning glory. That’s the bet Edmonton made.

I think it’s a tell. I believe it’s an indication about direction. Unlike the 1980’s Oilers, the current team is going to try to win championships the old fashioned way: Suppressing opposition offense.

Now that the future has been addressed, what about the 2019-20 team?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • New Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • New Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Jay Woodcroft returning to coach AHL Condors and be reunited with Ken Holland
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanQ&A with Ken Holland: On the draft, buyouts, free agency and how to have a successful offseason
  • Lowetide: Trading for Loui Eriksson: What makes sense for the Oilers?
  • LowetideHard Target Search: Finding the Oilers a centre who can penalty kill, help shape a useful third line, and serve in a mentor role

THE WHO, BY NUMBERS

Drafting Lavoie was either a brilliant stroke of luck, truly inspired — or both. I had him inside the first round, and he arrives to a depth chart badly in need of a shooter. He posted 206 shots in 62 games, 3.32 shots per game. If you look at the Oilers current depth chart on right wing (Lavoie is a center but I’m counting him as a wing), he projects as a strong option a couple of years down the line.

Remember in viewing these NHL equivalencies that I haven’t adjusted for age. Also important to note the lack of shooters on the depth chart. Lavoie was a major addition, added late in the game in terms of available forwards. What’s that old line about having to be lucky to be good? Yes.

Holland: “We have to get deeper up front. Certainly we need a goaltender and certainly those are the most important things for the next 10 days.” Source

TRADES

No trades yet, Jesse Puljujarvi and Milan Lucic remain on the roster, Matt Benning too. It sounded like Darnell Nurse was the ask during portions of the draft window, likely a non-starter with Ken Holland. If trades can’t be made, expect free agency to be the prime method to address need.

GOALIE OPTIONS

G Mike Smith. This is a possibility. Smith’s regular season even strength SP (.907) was poor but his playoff SP in the same discipline was .938 in five games. He is 37.

G Curtis McElhinney. Although he’s 36 and has posted a journeyman’s career, sometimes goalies go on runs of several years later on. He was rock solid in goal in 2018-19.

G Petr Mrazek. He’s 27, young for the group, but Holland knows him and in 40 games a year ago, Mrazek posted a .914SP.

G Brian Elliott. My personal choice, he posted a .907SP a year ago and is durable and capable of carrying a team on significant winning streaks. He is 34.

OPTIONS AT FORWARD/DEFENSE

1 RW Brett Connolly. He can win battles, has skill and can play up and down the lineup.

2 LW Tyler Ennis. He shouldn’t cost a lot, brings speed and skill. There’s no downside to this acquisition.

3 R Joonas Donskoi. Speedy and skilled, he can play either wing and shouldn’t cost the moon. I expect SJS will sign him but Donskoi would be a fine addition.

4 L Michael Ferland. Holland likes aggressive, rugged wingers who can score. I think he might be a target.

5 L Brandon Tanev. I like his two-way play and he might be a bargain (should be available later day one or day two).

6 R Alex Chiasson. He’s an attractive player for the Oilers, depending on price. I’m fine with him as an addition but would like a more certain scorer.

7 LC Oscar Linbderg. He can play center or wing, has enough skill to project onto the third line, maybe higher in a pinch. Not famous, which is good.

8 L Brandon Pirri. Similar to Ennis, I don’t think he makes it to free agency while also believing he’s a terrific fit for the Oilers.

9 RD Colin Miller. Puck moving defender fits a need, although he’s coming off a mediocre season.

10 R Connor Brown. I think there’s a good chance he’s an Oiler by September.

BUYOUTS

With the cap now at $81.5 million for next season, we could see a buyout. Here are the savings for the coming season:

Kris Russell $3.083 million

Andrej Sekera $3.0 million

Milan Lucic $2.375 million

Sam Gagner $2.133 million

Brandon Manning $1.33 million

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: Dealing a 1st round pick to lose one year of inflated contract payout is good GMing in your estimation?

    And what’s happening in that year? Need to sign anyone, does he? Someone he values more than a 1st and Paddy Marlow’s terminator skeleton?

  2. jtblack says:

    GM’s can say the Salary Cap sucks but the reality is every single team is playing in the same sandbox.

    Drafting and Developing has Always been the best way to build teams. Now it is more important than ever. The Islanders lost Tavares but has Barzal ready to take his place at 1 / 10th the cost.

    At least Ken kept all the picks as that will pay dividends in 2 – 4 years when they arrive at League Minimum.

    Rebuild 3.0 looks better than the last 2. But some of the prospects have to NHL players and a few impact players. Bouchard maybe. Benson maybe. Broberg maybe. Plus Yammy Samokorov Lavioe.

    The only point of contention for Oilers Fans is we have been waiting …. since 2008 ….

    waiting …..

    waiting ….

    In HOLLAND WE TRUST 🙏

  3. Reja says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WOODGUY V2.0

    Still like that song always have.

  4. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Andy Dufresne: i also like the part where he reminds us of somehting obvious that we occsionally lose track of:

    “This is a game, draft picks are possibilities, rosters have personalities, luck, chance and random variation play a role in every season”

    A very wise man once said to me ” the one thing I know about professional sports is, its predictably unpredictable”

    A truism that has the power to either make, or save you money. (depending on how you choose to apply it)

    Thanks for this – both of you. You are both people whose comments I love to read.

    An earlier comment asked if I don’t watch the games how can I comment o nowhere Caleb Jones plays. The answer is I can’t and unless there are ind]sider lurkers here, none of us can. We can watch (or not watch) the games and rejoice or get despondent based on how things go. But that’s about the limits of our value.

    My wife once said “exactly what do the Oilers owe you?” Nothing, nothing at all. They’ve been “my NHL team” since 1979. There are like a chicken pox virus! I can’t get rid of them in my immune system and every once in a while I get an “Oilers shingles outbreak” and Am reminded of how fun 1980-90 it was (you know for the most part). Damn “The Trade”!

    So I like this blog for the personalities and discussion and insight and fun and when the team does well it’s great and when they don’t I back away a little!

    It is for us at least just a pass time.

  5. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: How can you meet him?Theres the short and the complicated one?

    Short answer: Stick your head in a pail of water 3 times.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    But only take it out twice.

    Will a pail of Jam work.

  6. rickithebear says:

    Holland, Tippett, Playfair talk of GA def responsibility in all their interviews.

    We have had one of the WC deepest HD open SH defences 2 seasons since I have followed LT:
    05-06 having to go from top 10 HD goalie to 2 in the 25-30 range cost us a cup.
    16-17 2 bullshit non goalie interference calls cost us a conf finals series & likely more.

    Hockey has a 20 player game day roster.
    Holland talks of getting 2 to 3 roster players from each draft.
    GM,s are using College/Europe UFA options
    Which is soft contract options.

    Football has 53 player game day rosters
    GOod GM,s talk of 4-5 roster players from each draft & 1-2 from UDFA ( College)

    All 3 talk of system refinement on def side.
    0, 1, & 2 gA games are the easiest to outscore & win.

    Go thru last 10 years of Oilers schedule.
    Look @ win % for 0, 1, 2, 3, 4+ games in each season.
    Then look @ % of occurance of each level of GA game.
    It is a playoff tell.

    This is the first thing any good game analyst should do.
    Championship win mechanisms.
    It leads you to identifying the real high acting win mechanism affects.

    Not Old boy scouting/ Old boy binary analytic looking at same old game that is not necessarily there.

  7. Halfwise says:

    It is for us at least just a pass time.

    Yep.

  8. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Andy Dufresne: here…

    Ha! My family still tease me about this relentlessly! Whenever something starts getting stressful my son (now 25 and wondrously STILL AT HOME) will say “are you going to go practice guitar now?”

    Smart As! I spent he last 12 minutes of the Raptors final game – so you know 11 seconds of the game screaming at the TV for all the missed GS fouls ignored and the Raptors “fouls” called!

    Don’t get me started on the ONE FOUL THEY CALL ON Golden State right at the end that actually was a favor rather than hindrance to them!

    Sheesh, and no I have no songwriting abilities – or in fact any musical talents! But thanks for reading my comments!

  9. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Dealing a 1st round pick to lose one year of inflated contract payout is good GMing in your estimation?

    Is Tavares signed for 7 years at $11 million worth a 2020 1st round pick (and whatever else has to go…i.e.Kadir) is the more relevant question?

  10. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    – The NFL veers too far to the other side thought IMO: 23 years old and just signed a 60mm contract and you blow out your knee in off season workout: bye bye contract and your fired

    – The attrition in Football to injury is far greater than any of the other professional sports: while the players have the least protection to their earnings for injury.

  11. Reja says:

    Pouzar: B maybe safer but the upside in A is redonk.

    I wanted Zegras and Lavoie don’t mind the Russians for a gift to McT for his years of service. This we definitely keep him in the loop and also scouting of possible Gems in Siberia.

  12. Matticus says:

    Hey lowetide, I believe pronman gave us B this weekend, what grade you you give?

  13. rickithebear says:

    LT: Thanks for indicating not adjusted for age .

    A 16 yr player is not as physically mature as a 20 year old.
    Desjardins Age based translations based on a .30 NHLE equivalent league.
    Production must be adjusted for league variance. AHL .47/.3
    Age sept 16 2000 to Sept 15 2001
    16yr (draft -1) translates 75 to 100% of production.
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .25) + .75
    17 yr (draft) translates 50 to 75%
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .25) + .50
    18 yr (draft +1) translates 40 to 50%
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .10) + .40
    19 yr ( draft +2) translates 35 to 40%
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .05) + .35
    —————————————————-
    20yr ( draft +3) translates 32 to 35%
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .03) + .32
    21yr (draft +4) translates 30 to 32%
    ((days past Sep 16/365) x .02) + .30
    22yr (draft +5) translates 30 to 30%
    Desjardins science shows no age affect at draft +5.
    The science behind why LT says draft +5

    The 16-19yr seasons can tell us what elite (50 – 80 pt) players you are getting.
    16 year old seasons can tell us what to expect if a player is injured 17 yr Draft season. – Monohan
    With 50 pt developing as late as age 19 – Leason
    Getting a likely 20+ G & 40 – 45 PT forward. With goal pocession being 50% more efficient than Assist pocession from player scoring is important.

    we know what you are usually by age 21-22 from European, AHL and higher equelvalancy College.
    With outliers that you add as UFA.

    Age translateable science.
    You adjust production by league equivalency divided by .30
    USHL 80% of .3

    USDP allstar teams USHL exhibition games can not be measured.
    Their international, NCAA are a fairer measure with like competition levels.

  14. Victoria Oil says:

    Lowetide: Food bank or anything to do with kids.

    As an aside, I’m just starting a thought on something in this area, haven’t figured it out yet but my brain is on it (and I’d love suggestions).

    In the area where I grew up, first nations kids are suffering from depression and doing harm to themselves in alarming numbers. I don’t know what to do about it but do know I need to help. So, any suggestions let me know. We have to do something for these children/young people.

    I’m not talking anything specific, would help out throwing hay bales or bringing publicity to good causes. I just can’t live with myself any more, watching what is happening to kids. I can’t do anything about the kids down south but I can sure as hell chip in here.

    Appreciate suggestions.

    For those that haven’t seen ‘The Grizzlies’, I highly recommend it. Great story of a young teacher named Russ Sheppard who moved to Nunavut, and who got a number of his students to play lacrosse and turn their lives around in the process.

    Russ went onto do a law degree at the UofA. From what I read, I’m not sure if he’s currently practicing law in Edmonton or elsewhere, but if you can reach him somehow, I’m sure he could point you to some worthy charities.

    And for anybody else who cares about our first nations youth, please see this movie.

    LT – thanks for caring about this.

  15. Reja says:

    Pouzar:
    I read a lot of people comparing Caufield/DeBrincat and rightfully so from a physical standpoint…but from a draft standpoint would Lavoie be an apt comparable to DeBrincat?
    Both dropped to 2nd rd and both scored a ton of goals in their draft year.

    If the Yankees weren’t all zooming each other and most of them turn out Holy Smokes what a program they have going on.

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    Halfwise: I agree with WGN.

    Hockey is intended to be entertainment. It has to compete with other ways I could spend my time.

    This blog is entertainment. It has to compete with other ways I could spend my time.

    The teams on the ice at LT’s rink are usually more entertaining than the teams at Rogers.

    As for forming an opinion about a player, why does that matter? I see plenty of posters making themselves unhappy exchanging opinions.

    Entertainment. We’re not saving lives here.

    This is more than half wise.

  17. YKOil says:

    Was out camping so couldn’t really comment on draft.

    A fan of Broberg but not the pick, loved the Lavoie pick and the rest can be filed under the heading of ‘lottery tickets, long odds’.

    Detroit represented a lane to Cozens imo. Don’t think Buffalo had Seider on it’s mind so a flip with Detroit would have delivered Cozens. Really would have liked the team to go this direction rather than the sit and wait, and wait, and wait, for Broberg. Broberg will be fine, a solid #4 guy at worst, would rather have had Cozens.

    Lavoie. Great, great pick. Konovalov and Mazura represent the wildcards here, either player could be something special based on existing reports (however bonafide and/or dubious) and if either of them pop then this could be a great draft year.

    As far as the Cap stuff goes…. the only way to fix the escrow issues, outside of scrapping the system, comprise:

    1. reworking the HRR calc – but this take full owner buy-in and they will want SOMETHING back
    2. dropping cap inflation to an amount that is biased to the conservative side of the actual, expected rise

    Players caused their own issue here and only they can pull themselves out of it. That said, once they (the players) are happy with where it is at (I expect somewhere between 4-8% is where they will settle) then escrow will no longer be a concern.

    If a team has a GM that doesn’t understand the Cap… screw ’em.

    I wonder – would owners open up offers sheet a little by going to a 6 or 7 year AAV calc (rather than today’s 5 year max) if players threw college kids under the bus (no more Adam Fox situations)?

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Scott Niedermayer and Bobby Orr could play anywhere.The better the skater and puck transporter one is, handedness on defense matters less.

    Which is why I hope the Oilers try Sekera Nurse as the 2nd pairing with Nurse playing right D.

    Yes, as we’ve discussed before, given Nurse’s default to skating the puck out as opposed to passing it (which he still needs to work on as skating it out is generally more inefficient), I would be interested to see how he does on his off side – may not be too much of a fall off in his game.

  19. YKOil says:

    Andy Dufresne: This is more than half wise.

    Sam wise even?

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    smellyglove: It’s too bad the Oilers are part of this incompetent group, and yes that’s even until Holland proves us wrong. He certainly didn’t do Detroit any favours in cap management.

    He did win the cup in the cap era – sometimes building a true cup team will need to be at the expense of future cap management. I acknowledge he negotiated some “not great” contracts in recent years.

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jethro Tull: And what’s happening in that year? Need to sign anyone, does he? Someone he values more than a 1st and Paddy Marlow’s terminator skeleton?

    It’s like arguing that borrowing against your home equity to buy a boat is a sound investment because you weren’t using that money anyway.

  22. Andy Dufresne says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: Ha! My family still tease me about this relentlessly! Whenever something starts getting stressful my son (now 25 and wondrously STILL AT HOME) will say “are you going to go practice guitar now?”

    Smart As! I spent he last 12 minutes of the Raptors final game – so you know 11 seconds of the game screaming at the TV for all the missed GS fouls ignored and the Raptors “fouls” called!

    Don’t get me started on the ONE FOUL THEY CALL ON Golden State right at the end that actually was a favor rather than hindrance to them!

    Sheesh, and no I have no songwriting abilities – or in fact any musical talents! But thanks for reading my comments!

    One of lifes true great joys is being teased by those who really love you.

    As for….”.thanks for reading my comments”……my pleasure….sincerely.

    By the way…..right handed Paul learned to play on a left handed guitar….so down to the basment with you…anything is possible!

    (No imbellishmnet here: Paul McCartney (The Beatles) first struggled playing right-handed, but then saw a picture of Slim Whitman playing left-handed and realized that he could reverse the guitar, reverse the strings, and pick with the left hand )

  23. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Bag of Pucks,

    – The NFL veers too far to the other side thought IMO: 23 years old and just signed a 60mm contract and you blow out your knee in off season workout: bye bye contract and your fired

    – The attrition in Football to injury is far greater than any of the other professional sports: while the players have the least protection to their earnings for injury.

    Yep. Worst of the 4 majors for job security no doubt. Post career health implications are pretty dire as well. Certainly not the sport to encourage your children towards.

    But I guess I’m a Roman, cos I like the Gladiators!

  24. John Chambers says:

    Jaxon:
    Here’s a reminder of how Lavoie’s historic run has put him atop the list of draft age goal scorers:

    ’19 – Raphael Lavoie – 23GP – 20G (draft season)
    ’11 – Jonathan Huberdeau – 19GP – 16G (draft season)
    ’05 – Sidney Crosby – 13GP – 14G (draft season)
    ’12 – Nathan MacKinnon – 17GP – 13G (draft-1)
    ’11 – Jean-Gabriel Pageau – 24GP – 13G (draft season)

    Pretty good company.

    Thing about Lavoie – not only did he score 32 reg season goals this past year, he scored 30 the previous reg season.

    Eighty-five goals total, regular season and playoffs the last two seasons for Rapha Lavoie.

    The guy can score, and when he goes on a heater he can really score.

  25. YKOil says:

    Looks like Vegas will be getting a great deal on Karlsson. 8 years, less than $6m per.

  26. Andy Dufresne says:

    Simple thought from an addled mind:

    Steve Yzerman is almost universally recognized as a model for modern General Managers, and he did exaclty what Kenny Holland did only two picks earlier with Cozens still avaliable.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: While Eriksson is not the ‘answer’ I’m not opposed to that deal. Doesn’t save cap, but I think if not asked to be a checker, he can bring contribution to the team that Lucic can’t.

    Loui isn’t fast, but can skate, Lucic couldn’t ever well and now can’t at an NHL level.

    Loui can contribute defensively and perhaps PK. I’m a little concerned about attitude, but coach knows him and if he’s happier he might take a role that suits the roster.

    I don’t think he’ll score 6M worht of points, but he’s a vet shooter on a team that has 2 out of three young C that lacks NHL shooters. I think he has a higher potential than Chiasson.

    Turning ML’s 6M into a helpful player and moving Sekera and Russell or both -given there are 4 NHL LD on the roster and two NHL ready prospects, will create cap. If Holland can work some magic and move Gagner as well things are looking pretty good.

    I think it is a mistake to run at the cap unless you have a set unchanging roster. Getting s first to take one year of salary of a good player like Marleau who would be a great fit in the Oilers top 6 is something a team wants to be in a position to do.

    Running at the cap with a roster that needs help and doesn’t realistically contend is poor management in cap management and player development and acquisitions. Hopefully Holland does better than Pete and Craig.

    I have been beating that drum for weeks now – that Eriksson brings MUCH more on the ice these days than Lucic – mostly on another platform than this one.

    The only “pros” I hear for Lucic over Eriksson are that he hits, deters and intimidates. I don’t believe the last two at all – OK, maybe he can intimidate but it doesn’t actually deter and doesn’t actually help on the ice, not in my opinion. He does hit but his hits are 90% on d-men who have already transitioned the puck and the play is going the other way. They don’t wear the d-man down or make them panic later in the game either. Maybe, just maybe, it could in a playoff series but, one thing at a time.

    Eriksson has produced at 3rd line rates for two seasons in a row (Lucic at replacement level third line rates).

    Eriksson has averaged 90 second/game on the PK during his current contract and the team numbers when he is on the PK are very very good. Going back to his previous days, the team numbers when he’s on the PK border on elite.

    I don’t like Eriksson and I don’t want him – he doesn’t “hit” but he does seem to be able to provide some depth production and help on the PK – two things this team needs. From a cap neutral stand-point, I take him over Lucic.

    Of course, one year less of term and no NMC.

    Lucic has the worst contract in the NHL – there isn’t a player in the league we shouldn’t trade him for straight up.

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Will a pail of Jam work.

    WIll Jam work?

    Sure…….Jam you head in a pail of water 3 times 🙂

    mmmmmm…….jjaaaammmmm

  29. Alpine says:

    Pouzar:
    I read a lot of people comparing Caufield/DeBrincat and rightfully so from a physical standpoint…but from a draft standpoint would Lavoie be an apt comparable to DeBrincat?
    Both dropped to 2nd rd and both scored a ton of goals in their draft year.

    I don’t think it’s a great comparison. DeBrincat had 50 goals and 100ish points in both pre-draft seasons. Definitely a zooming effect with McDavid, but he would have played with Strome in 15-16. Lavoie wasn’t zoomed this past season but Zadina was on the team last year though I don’t know if they were line mates.

    Here’s some other comparisons:

    Ivan Barbashev 33 OV in 2014 – 25 G 64 P in 48 GP ( 4 G/10 P in 6 playoff games)

    Brandon Saad 43 OV in 2011 – 27 G 55 P in 59 GP (3 G/12 P in 12 playoff games)

    Boone Jenner 37 OV in 2011 – 25 G 66 P in 63 GP (7 G/12 P in 10 playoff games)

    Tyler Toffoli 47 OV in 2010 – 37 G 79 P in 65 GP (7 G/13 P in 12 playoff games)

    Lavoie was 30 G 73 P in 62 GP but went off with 20 G/32 P in 23 playoffs games. Outscored Saad/Jenner in the regular season and the rest in the playoffs, though Barbashev’s playoffs were great too.

    I hope he can be close to this group as an NHLer. Saad and Jenner were noted as two way types and both Saad and Barbashev were late birthdates like Lavoie.

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    John Chambers: Thing about Lavoie – not only did he score 32 reg season goals this past year, he scored 30 the previous reg season.

    Eighty-five goals total, regular season and playoffs the last two seasons for Rapha Lavoie.

    The guy can score, and when he goes on a heater he can really score.

    He’s no Tobias Reider……but I love the pick!

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    lynn:
    When is the qualifying offer deadline for RFAs?

    Oilers qualified everyone of note except Rattie and Rieder – but the deadline is Tuesday aft.

  32. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Simple thought from an addled mind:

    Steve Yzerman is almost universally recognized as a model for modern General Managers, and he did exaclty what Kenny Holland did only two picks earlier with Cozens still avaliable.

    Yzerman and Holland are both in their inaugural seasons less pressure to take consensus picks.

  33. slopitch says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The thing about the Clarkson contract (that I didn’t know until recently) is that he *still* has a NTC to 15 teams.

    That’s the hold up.

    Nevada has no state tax and it’s rumoured that Clarkson configures his NTC to the highest taxed locations.

    VGK might be in a spot of trouble over a contract for a player who hasn’t played in 4 years due to a NTC.

    You can’t write this stuff.

    Man. Didnt know this until now. The nhl really needs to adjust its cap to reflect different tax rates. Watch carolina get in there again. A 1 year hit really isnt that compared to lucic.

  34. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have been beating that drum for weeks now – that Eriksson brings MUCH more on the ice these days than Lucic – mostly on another platform than this one.

    The only “pros” I hear for Lucic over Eriksson are that he hits, deters and intimidates. I don’t believe the last two at all – OK, maybe he can intimidate but it doesn’t actually deter and doesn’t actually help on the ice, not in my opinion. He does hit but his hits are 90% on d-men who have already transitioned the puck and the play is going the other way.They don’t wear the d-man down or make them panic later in the game either. Maybe, just maybe, it could in a playoff series but, one thing at a time.

    Eriksson has produced at 3rd line rates for two seasons in a row (Lucic at replacement level third line rates).

    Eriksson has averaged 90 second/game on the PK during his current contract and the team numbers when he is on the PK are very very good.Going back to his previous days, the team numbers when he’s on the PK border on elite.

    I don’t like Eriksson and I don’t want him – he doesn’t “hit” but he does seem to be able to provide some depth production and help on the PK – two things this team needs. From a cap neutral stand-point, I take him over Lucic.

    Of course, one year less of term and no NMC.

    Lucic has the worst contract in the NHL – there isn’t a player in the league we shouldn’t trade him for straight up.

    I can’t see why Vancouver would trade for Lucic.
    After his bonus is paid, Eriksson will be owed just $1 million in 2019/20 and $4 million in each of the next 2 years, all on a $6 million annual cap hit. That $5 million spread between Cap and cash in 2019/20 would have to look attractive to a cap floor team.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Do you want a legit goalie or a financially prudent acquisition. By how I see it Mrazek should be the target acquisition cost not withstanding. At Mrazek could given his age be the defactostarting goal tender.
    Sekera has value not a buyout candidate in my books.

    A decision has to be made with both those factors being considered.

    I would encourage you to look at Reimer’s three years prior to this past season – he provided exactly what this team needs from the 1B.

    I’ve been in favor of Mrazek for a few months but he has likely priced himself out of our cap structure unless he’s willing to give his old GM a discount.

  36. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Is Tavares signed for 7 years at $11 million worth a 2020 1st round pick (and whatever else has to go…i.e.Kadir) is the more relevant question?

    Imo, paying a first rounder to manage your cap inefficiency is poor business practice for any team looking to maintain long term competitiveness. It’s a reactionary move that shows poor advance planning on the part of the Leafs. No way they signed Marleau forecasting he would cost a first rounder as exit strategy.

  37. John Chambers says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed. There was zero reason to give Marleau a 3-yr contract at the time.

    They were better off offering him $7.5M x 2, his contract expiring at the same time as Marner / Tavares.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    In response to a series of posts/conversation earlier, it also seems very odd to me that some fans will expend the time and mental resources and, presumably, get joy out of being consistent contributors to forum dedicated to discussing the Oilers but yet don’t actually want and, in some cases, refuse to watch, the actual games.

    To each their own for sure but, to me, as much as I love talking about and discussing the team (clearly), its watching the actual games that is the ultimate.

    Its always interesting to see how we are all wired in slightly different ways.

  39. eidy says:

    Alpine,

    The comparable I was thinking of also from the Q is a right handed version of Anthony Mantha

    Draft year (regular season and playoffs)
    Anthony Mantha: 76 GP (67 regular season 9 playoff) 55 goals 46 assists 101 points

    Lavoie 85 gp (62 and 23) 52 goals and 53 assists

    Watching both play they have heavy shots and like to use them. Have good hands to make plays int ight by goalie but judging on goals to assists, both shooters. Not typically a puck transporter, more rely on others to transport and then they find soft spots. I think Lavoie has better speed.

    Mantha followed that 50 goal year up with 57 goals in 57 GP in the Q…. yowza Then 1 full year and a partial year to get to the NHL. Seems like an appropriate rate for Lavoie as well I would guess

    From Redline 2013- #33 Anthony Mantha LW. “First the positives: 6′ 3″ 200 lb, natural sniping 50 goal scores don’t grow on trees. He’s a first round talent – no question. Absolutely lethal on the PP and has excellent instincts in the offensive one. Uses his wide body to gain and hold position around the slot and angle defenders from the puck. Quite agile and light on his fee for a big man. Outstanding shooter with uper soft hands. Bunt honestly, does this guy even have a pulse? Plays with absulotely zer fire or passion and if he ain’t scorin’, he ain’t helpin’. … Of course, he can be invisible for 58 minutes and then score the game winner the only time he touches the puck, so there is that”

  40. Jaxon says:

    One thing that jumped out at me when watching Lavoie highlights was how often he pick pockets, a skill I associate with some of the best like Datsyuk, McDavid, Crosby, and even or own Nugent-Hopkins is pretty decent at it. A deft little stick lift and he’s off the other way.

  41. Jaxon says:

    eidy: The comparable I was thinking of also from the Q is a right handed version of Anthony Mantha

    The biggest difference is skating. I believe Mantha had to overcome slow boots to make it to the show whereas Lavoie has the boots already. Lavoie may not be super fast but he’s plenty fast already.

  42. eidy says:

    On a few other prospects
    Blumel was ranked 94 by redline last year (and was one of their mid round sleepers) and then this year moved up to 81. Not very often overagers move up

    Another place Mazura was ranked was 102 by the hockey news

  43. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The thing about the Clarkson contract (that I didn’t know until recently) is that he *still* has a NTC to 15 teams.

    That’s the hold up.

    Nevada has no state tax and it’s rumoured that Clarkson configures his NTC to the highest taxed locations.

    VGK might be in a spot of trouble over a contract for a player who hasn’t played in 4 years due to a NTC.

    You can’t write this stuff.

    I thought once an NTC has been waived once it is no longer valid?

  44. defmn says:

    For whatever this is worth.

    Bob Stauffer
    ‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer

    Stauffer Top 10 Oilers Prospects after 2019 Draft

    #1. Bouchard-RD
    #2. Broberg-LD
    #3. Yamamoto-RW
    #4. Benson-LW
    #5. Samaroukov-LD
    #6. Lavoie-C/RW
    #7. McLeod-C
    #8. Jones-LD
    #9. Marody-C
    #10. Maksimov-RW

  45. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Andy Dufresne: One of lifes true great joys is being teased by those who really love you.

    As for….”.thanks for reading my comments”……my pleasure….sincerely.

    By the way…..right handed Paul learned to play on a left handed guitar….so down to the basment with you…anything is possible!

    (No imbellishmnet here: Paul McCartney (The Beatles) first struggled playing right-handed, but then saw a picture of Slim Whitman playing left-handed and realized that he could reverse the guitar, reverse the strings, and pick with the left hand )

    And I am left handed AND I bought a left handed guitar! So there you go.

    I read on a lefty guitar forum that anyone can learn to play either way but then said “pick up an air guitar – which way did you hold it? That’s the way you should learn to play!”

    Hence my new to me left handed fender knockoff! Now if I just get some real nail biting sports going….I’ll get all the practice in the world.

  46. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Simple thought from an addled mind:

    Steve Yzerman is almost universally recognized as a model for modern General Managers, and he did exaclty what Kenny Holland did only two picks earlier with Cozens still avaliable.

    Detroit has been desperate for a right shot right D for years now. May be part of the reason Holland anticipated D “flying” off the board.like David Poile clones had taken over all the NHL teams.

  47. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jaxon,

    Watching highlights for Broberg at the U18s and Hlinka/Gretzky tournaments he’s displayed some propensity to pickpocket too.

  48. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    GMB3,

    The new team has the option to honour the clause or not.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Excited for this – As per Nugent-Bowman:

    Oilers announce the attendees for development camp, which starts tomorrow. Broberg, Lavoie, Bouchard and Samorukov highlight the list.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dave Stevenson:

    Favorite prospects: Raphael Lavoie was nearly an overager – he missed the 2018 draft cutoff by a few days. He has consistency issues, but when he’s on his game, he can be a difference maker. His QMJHL postseason is proof of that.

    Ilya Konovalov turns 21 in July and, though I didn’t count him in my rankings because of his age, if I did, he would have been my best goaltender. Sorry, Spencer Knight, I’ll take a guy who flat out dominated the KHL over you.

    Least favorite prospects: Matej Blumel is a decent prospect, but the Oilers reached on him a bit. He’s an overager who didn’t impress me too much, which isn’t a good sign. I didn’t notice any intriguing elements in his game either.

    Grade: B. The Philip Broberg selection was baffling, but the Oilers redeemed themselves with a strong second day.

  51. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd:
    The GM hand wringing about how the Salary Cap is killing the league is laughable

    Apparently “Good Hockey Men” have a real hard time with what is pretty simple math

    The NHL has been slow to understand the proper distribution of dollars available, the NFL for instance understands that Running Backs no longer play the same roll and thus are not paid as top dogs on the pay scale, I consider players like Nylander in Toronto like an NFL running back….you can not send out 7 mill for 60 points and meh defensive play

    George McFee made his 1st strange move at the 2018 deadline paying a Kings ransom in draft picks for Thomas Tatar “I assume it was Kenny Holland that extracted the Kings ransom, it was also Holland that schooled Chaka in the Datsyuk Salary deal”

    McFee has continued to make strange decisions re trades and Salary handed out and now he is in a serious Cap pinch after year 2 of operation, seriously how can he complain about these constraints and how can he be surprised ……

    I read an article in the athletic about how the new Education of choice for GMs will be an MBA….McPhee has an MBA, apparently the finance units were not his forte

    I love the fact that NHL GMs continue to demonstrate they are incapable of determining the key talents and contributors on their own teams while overpayingcontinuously for replacement level producers because “grit, character, compete, and good Canadian boy from Kingston intangibles” provide nothing but opportunity for shrewd operators that understand cap space is an asset worth more than a 1st round pick

    Spending to the cap and missing the playoffs 12 of 13 years should be a crime punishable by death

    The team that builds out a sophisticated internal and external ranking system to identify real drivers of play and key contributors to winning will rule the league for years to come, you can’t spend on fading power forwards in free agency, you cant over pay replacement level, you absolutely must accuratelyanticipate future salary obligations……proactive cap management is paramount

    The GM’s still don’t understand the proper way to distribute a clearly defined number of dollars among a set number of players and it is embarrassing…….it is also a lost opportunity for the Oilers because Chiarelli……good lord he is bad at what he does

    You make some good points. This is why I don’t understand the recycle mentality re GM’s and to a lesser degree coaches. The punishable by death for missing the playoffs 12 out of 13 years might be a tad overboard! Toronto hasn’t won or even got to the finals since 1967. A large number of teams have never even won a cup. Since the Oilers have come into the league they have won five which is two more than any other Canadian team during that time span. I too am becoming impatient but good things comes to he who waits.

  52. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s like arguing that borrowing against your home equity to buy a boat is a sound investment because you weren’t using that money anyway.

    Yes. It’s exactly like that. He should have kept Marleau and lost Marner.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The thing about the Clarkson contract (that I didn’t know until recently) is that he *still* has a NTC to 15 teams.

    That’s the hold up.

    Nevada has no state tax and it’s rumoured that Clarkson configures his NTC to the highest taxed locations.

    VGK might be in a spot of trouble over a contract for a player who hasn’t played in 4 years due to a NTC.

    You can’t write this stuff.

    They may have to use off-season LTIR which would allow them to start the season over the cap (as opposed to having to be cap compliant on day 1 and then place the player on LTIR).

    As inefficient as regular in-season LTIR is, off-season LTIR is even worse and would debilitate their ability to improve in-season even further.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: I did think at the time that Chiarelli could’ve played more hardball with Leon, but the young man knew what he was worth and credit to him, he’s delivered value for money. Do think the Oilers were very smart to negotiate the two jointly.

    I don’t agree they were negotiated jointly – Drai didn’t sign until after mid-August, a good 6 weeks after McDavid did and, during that 6 week period, management was widely criticized for not getting Leon done first as we was using McDavid’s contract to his benefit in his negotiations.

  55. rickithebear says:

    USDP are hard to equivalency.
    Of the top 186 USHL, CHL, Tier 2 Fwds
    The science of mechanics ( visual scouting) must be married with the math for risk.
    Goal production has a superior efficiency and has a mush higher % value than Assists
    Age equivalency in brackets
    #33 (.695) Kaliyev 41G 41A 82pt

    #78 (.715) beaucage 34g 34A 68P
    #53 (.742) N. Robertson 31G 31A 62P
    #74 (.581) Légaré 31g 29A 60P
    #24 (.717) Tomasino 30G 32A 62P
    #29 (.655) Tracey 28G 36A 64P
    #26 (.620) Pelletier 27G 35A 62P
    #7 (.600) Cozens 24G 36A 60 pt
    #16 (.xxx) Newhook 23G 37A 60P
    #28 (.655) Suzuki 21G 41A 62P

    #25 (.583) McMichael 26G 26A 52P
    #75 (.663) Beckman 26G 24A 50P
    #45 (.589) Afanaseyou 23G 29A 52P
    #38 (.507) Lavoie 23G 29A 52P
    #165 (.679) Serdyk 22G 35A 57P
    #21 (.611) Poulin 21G 35A 56P
    #56 (.381) Leason 21G 30A 51P
    #3 (.xxx) Dach 20G 36A 56P
    #17 (.841)(draft-1) Krebs 17G 38A 55P

    #183 (.701) Murray 26G 18A 44P
    #27 (.531) Foote 24G 18A 42P
    #122 (.628) Keppen 22G 22A 44P
    #138 (628) Kalionkell 22g 18A 40P
    #100 (.479) Blummel 21G 21A 42P
    #171 (.431) Burzan 21G 20A 41P

    —————————————— Top 25 NA league Off production fwds in drafts

    #80 (..655) Clarke 23G 11A 34P
    #125 (.374) Kastelic 22G 14A 36P
    #134 (.627) Blaisdell 21G 16A 37P
    #136 (.695) Rybinski 10G 39A 49P

    #62 (.501) Alexandrov 18G 22A 40P
    #147 (.608) NewKirk 17G 26A 43P
    #178 (.454) Bibeau 17G 24A 41P
    #168:(.365) miereles 16G 27A 43P
    #155 (.730) Washkurak 15G 28A 43P
    #81 (.653) Schwindt 15G 25A 40P
    #115 (.633) Abramov 13G 32A 45P
    #44 (.612) Rees 13 G 30A 43P
    #92 (.663) Olsen 13G 29A 42P
    #65 (.613) Campbell 13G 27A 40P
    #145 (.627) J. Caulfield 13G 26A 39P

    #89 (.575) Cajkovic 17G 19A 36P
    #140 (.660) Mutala 17G 17A 34P
    #55 (.531) Hamaliuk 16G 21A 37P
    #142 ((.623) Porco 16G 14A 30P
    #132 (.569) Janicke 15G 18A 33P
    #181 (.438) Wall 15G 15A 30P
    #150 (.654) Nodler 14G 21A 35P
    #133 (.439) Fichte 14G 20A 34P
    #124 (.386) Ambruzzese 13G 22A 35P
    #141 (.717) Primeau 13G 19A 32P
    #131 (.599) Pitlick 13G 17A 30P
    #137 (.668) Lundmark 13G 17A 30P
    #180 (.519) Malone 12G 24A 36P
    #162 (.506) Mazura 10G 28A 38P

    Very very happy with our top 4 picks.
    Potential for 3-4 roster players.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Any thoughts on what Macloud might do in camp?

    His offence didn’t pick up much, yet Tmac liked him late last year, I wonder if Tippet will feel the same.

    The McLellan/Chiarelli combo didn’t seem to understand that pre-season means essentially nothing with respect to NHL readiness of recently drafted skill players – in particular the first 5-6 games (but even the last few as well notwithstanding the rosters).

  57. Alpine says:

    eidy,

    Yes, Mantha is another guy I considered. I chose not to include him ultimately because he didn’t fall as far in the draft (still went top 20 if i recall).

  58. Glovjuice says:

    Late to the party due to Solstice camping up north with no service. Great picks. Broberg and Bouchard are a perfect pair down the road. Samorukov will lead his own pair. Lavoie is a steal and will not be far off PLD but probably on the wing instead – he will have an impact in 20-21 (although he will have a strong camp and generate discussion. I predict that McLeod will make the team (one of those players that performs better at the NHL level) – he is the 3C we are looking for.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    RonnieB: Correct me if i’m wrong, but if Broberg stays in Sweden this year he could go to Bakersfield next year at age 19 whereas if he plays in the OHL he is basically there for 2 more years unless he makes the NHL in 2020.
    If i’m right that should be a factor in the decision.

    No – he’s not eligible for the AHL – the AHL/CHL rule applies to Broberg and this is because he is a European but was drafted to a CHL team in the import draft prior to being drafted in the CHL – he can’t play in the AHL until he reaches age..

    Compare this to Safin who was drafting by the Oilers out of Europe prior to being drafted in to the Q.

    Even after playing a year in the Q, he would remain eligible for the AHL – he could have played in the AHL last year as a 19 year old.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    So Broberg it is. As I mentioned friday I wanted a forward but Broberg is a good player with both upside and a fairly safe floor so all good. Don’t know if it’s been reported but he’s said in an interview with local media in Skellefteå where his new club is located that his plan is to develop in the SHL.
    So if he ends up playing in the OHL, as Holland seemed to be suggesting it’s clearly due the Oilers pushing for him there.
    I’d prefer for him to stay in the SHL, it’s flat out a better route, if for some reason he wouldn’t get the minutes they could always loan him back to his old team in Allsvenskan. Skellefteå is a solid club. Pretty good chance he ends up on a pairing with another Oiler prospect in Filip Berglund as well.

    He also mentioned in another interview that he didn’t know any of the swedish guys in Edmonton but that he was currently training alongside Adam Larsson since Lars is training with his old club while at home.

    The rest of the picks are clearly fence swings which I guess is what Holland usually does. I like it though I don’t know much about them. Lavoie seems like really good value based on my limited viewings and scouting reports.

    The goalie russian has had good numbers for a bunch of years and in different leagues so that’s encouraging. Rookie of the year in the KHL is nothing to scoff at either, overager or not.

    And the 7th round russian is a Virgin breaker. Which makes him an absolute steal.

    I can’t remember if it was Holland or Bob Green but I believe I read/heard that they would discuss with Broberg and, ultimately, it would be up to the player to decide where to play next year.

  61. rickithebear says:

    defmn:
    For whatever this is worth.

    Bob Stauffer
    ‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer

    Stauffer Top 10 Oilers Prospects after 2019 Draft

    #1. Bouchard-RD
    #2. Broberg-LD
    #3. Yamamoto-RW
    #4. Benson-LW
    #5. Samaroukov-LD
    #6. Lavoie-C/RW
    #7. McLeod-C
    #8. Jones-LD
    #9. Marody-C
    #10. Maksimov-RW

    No Laggesson a potential top 60 HD Dman!
    No Berglund a potential above avg HD dman with top end transition pass.

    Bob does not know Holland like his dmen
    Bigger
    Strong defensively
    Swedish

  62. rickithebear says:

    PTS2D:

    It was LT:

    Who taught me to appreciate Pennats.

    Made me realize
    A. the critical importance of studying win mechanism first.
    B. Best measure of a good org is championships.
    Not playoff failure!
    Their are 2 championship orgs and 29 losing orgs each season.
    We had a championship team in 05-06.
    Would have of competed for WC championship of not for 2 good goal calls on goalie interference.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I thought once an NTC has been waived once it is no longer valid?

    The acquiring team gets the choice of if the clause continues or falls away. I would presume that most players expressly waiving an in-force clause would make it a condition of their waive that the clause continue.

    I have no idea if that is how it played out with David C.

  64. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: No – he’s not eligible for the AHL – the AHL/CHL rule applies to Broberg and this is because he is a European but was drafted to a CHL team in the import draft prior to being drafted in the CHL – he can’t play in the AHL until he reaches age..

    Compare this to Safin who was drafting by the Oilers out of Europe prior to being drafted in to the Q.

    Even after playing a year in the Q, he would remain eligible for the AHL – he could have played in the AHL last year as a 19 year old.

    Did they ask him if he wanted to declare for import draft?

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – Growing up in Yellowknife my favourite NFL team was the 49ers. I followed them though getting the newspaper on Monday and reading all their stats and a weekly CBC package they did of American sports

    – I didn’t see a NFL game untill I was a teenager and moved away from Yellowknife and they had moved from Montana to Young (then Garcia: man has there ever been 3 QBs in a row that been passed the baton like them but I digress)

    – Many Canadians are huge fans of Premier League teams and Euro teams and they don’t ever get to watch their games

    – just because you schedule your trips around games and go whilrly when you land in Asia and get up for 3:00 or send 7 reports on game 47 of Bakersfield : that’s your prerogative. No one calls you strange for these things or questions it.. Ones relationship with a team is like ones relationship with God. There is no correct relationship (including none at all). The only thing that isn’t correct is making jugdements on ones relationship

  66. defmn says:

    rickithebear: No Laggesson a potential top 60 HD Dman!
    No Berglund a potential above avg HD dman with top end transition pass.

    Bob does not know Holland like his dmen
    Bigger
    Strong defensively
    Swedish

    Yeah. That is why I said “for what it is worth”. I am not convinced that Stauffer knows that much about any of these guys.

  67. Munny says:

    rickithebear: No Laggesson a potential top 60 HD Dman!
    No Berglund a potential above avg HD dman with top end transition pass.

    Bob does not know Holland like his dmen
    Bigger
    Strong defensively
    Swedish

    This was Bob’s next tweet:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 5h5 hours ago

    #1. Puljujarvi is not a prospect. Played 139 games in the NHL.
    Could see teams with a lot of prospect depth (willing to trade one) taking a swing on Jesse at some point.
    #2. Bear, Jones or Lagesson all have a chance to make the Oilers this fall.
    #3. Don’t write off Yamamoto

  68. McSorley33 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    C) Zegras, Lavoie, Cajkovic

    Imagine McDavid and Drai. With real wingers….

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – Growing up in Yellowknife my favourite NFL team was the 49ers. I followed them though getting the newspaper on Monday and reading all their stats and a weekly CBC package they did of American sports

    – I didn’t see a NFL game untillI was a teenager and moved away from Yellowknife and they had moved from Montana to Young (then Garcia: man has there ever been 3 QBs in a row that been passed the baton like them but I digress)

    – Many Canadians are huge fans of Premier League teams and Euro teams and they don’t ever get to watch their games

    – just because you schedule your trips around games and go whilrly when you land in Asia and get up for 3:00 or send 7 reports on game 47 of Bakersfield : that’s your prerogative. No one calls you strange for these things or questions it.. Ones relationship with a team is like ones relationship with God. There is no correct relationship (including none at all).The only thing that isn’t correct is making jugdements on ones relationship

    I was very clear in my post not to express any judgement and, if you inferred that, you were mistaken in your inference.

    I was clear that is just seemed odd to me but to each their own.

    In all honestly, I currently resent the implication of judgement.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Andy Dufresne,

    C) Zegras, Lavoie, Cajkovic

    Imagine McDavid and Drai. With real wingers….

    True, however, on the other hand, imagine McDavid and Drai no spending 60% of their time in their own zone running around and defending……

  71. flyfish1168 says:

    McSorley33:
    Andy Dufresne,

    C) Zegras, Lavoie, Cajkovic

    Imagine McDavid and Drai. With real wingers….

    Image Connor with a defenceman that can hit him with a pass in full flight. 🙂

  72. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree they were negotiated jointly – Drai didn’t sign until after mid-August, a good 6 weeks after McDavid did and, during that 6 week period, management was widely criticized for not getting Leon done first as we was using McDavid’s contract to his benefit in his negotiations.

    They negotiated both contracts with each other and the cumulative cap hit in mind. As opposed to Matthews, Nylander, Marner, each in isolation.

  73. JimmyV1965 says:

    defmn:
    For whatever this is worth.

    Bob Stauffer
    ‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer

    Stauffer Top 10 Oilers Prospects after 2019 Draft

    #1. Bouchard-RD
    #2. Broberg-LD
    #3. Yamamoto-RW
    #4. Benson-LW
    #5. Samaroukov-LD
    #6. Lavoie-C/RW
    #7. McLeod-C
    #8. Jones-LD
    #9. Marody-C
    #10. Maksimov-RW

    Don’t agree with the order, but that’s an impressive looking list.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – Growing up in Yellowknife my favourite NFL team was the 49ers. I followed them though getting the newspaper on Monday and reading all their stats and a weekly CBC package they did of American sports

    – I didn’t see a NFL game untillI was a teenager and moved away from Yellowknife and they had moved from Montana to Young (then Garcia: man has there ever been 3 QBs in a row that been passed the baton like them but I digress)

    – Many Canadians are huge fans of Premier League teams and Euro teams and they don’t ever get to watch their games

    – just because you schedule your trips around games and go whilrly when you land in Asia and get up for 3:00 or send 7 reports on game 47 of Bakersfield : that’s your prerogative. No one calls you strange for these things or questions it.. Ones relationship with a team is like ones relationship with God. There is no correct relationship (including none at all).The only thing that isn’t correct is making jugdements on ones relationship

    Amen.

  75. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: No – he’s not eligible for the AHL – the AHL/CHL rule applies to Broberg and this is because he is a European but was drafted to a CHL team in the import draft prior to being drafted in the CHL – he can’t play in the AHL until he reaches age..

    Compare this to Safin who was drafting by the Oilers out of Europe prior to being drafted in to the Q.

    Even after playing a year in the Q, he would remain eligible for the AHL – he could have played in the AHL last year as a 19 year old.

    Thanks for this clarification.

  76. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: I was very clear in my post not to express any judgement and, if you inferred that, you were mistaken in your inference.

    I was clear that is just seemed odd to me but to each their own.

    In all honestly, I currently resent the implication of judgement.

    – ok – it seems odd your relationship with the team. I’m not passing judgement on the amount of time and whether it’s an obsession it’s just not something I understand.

    – which is hypocritical of me as I don’t think it’s fair to make observations on this. To each his iwn

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    I know very little about the draft, but I really like the Konovalov pick. Not only was he KHL Rookie of the Year, he was the playoff MVP in the MHL the year before. I like his age as well. We don’t have to wait seven years to see if he’s the real deal.

  78. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: True, however, on the other hand, imagine McDavid and Drai no spending 60% of their time in their own zone running around and defending……

    Imagine if Leon and Connor didn’t have to play the highest per game minutes for a forward in the history of the NHL because our forward group is beyond embarrassing. For me a big reason we rarely tied up a game in the last 10 min Leon and Connor were spent by then and the rest of the so called shrubs couldn’t score in a Chicken Ranch with a fist full of 50s.

  79. Jethro Tull says:

    You do you. Always.

  80. Reja says:

    flyfish1168: Image Connor with a defenceman that can hit him with a pass in full flight.

    Bouchard

  81. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OriginalPouzar,

    – Growing up in Yellowknife my favourite NFL team was the 49ers. I followed them though getting the newspaper on Monday and reading all their stats and a weekly CBC package they did of American sports

    – I didn’t see a NFL game untillI was a teenager and moved away from Yellowknife and they had moved from Montana to Young (then Garcia: man has there ever been 3 QBs in a row that been passed the baton like them but I digress)

    – Many Canadians are huge fans of Premier League teams and Euro teams and they don’t ever get to watch their games

    – just because you schedule your trips around games and go whilrly when you land in Asia and get up for 3:00 or send 7 reports on game 47 of Bakersfield : that’s your prerogative. No one calls you strange for these things or questions it.. Ones relationship with a team is like ones relationship with God. There is no correct relationship (including none at all).The only thing that isn’t correct is making jugdements on ones relationship

    Theisman to Williams to Rypien won 3 Super Bowls for Gibbs in Washington. That was a pretty good QB run as well.

  82. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I know very little about the draft, but I really like the Konovalov pick. Not only was he KHL Rookie of the Year, he was the playoff MVP in the MHL the year before. I like his age as well. We don’t have to wait seven years to see if he’s the real deal.

    Craig’s on it.

  83. Ancient Oilers Fan says:

    Lots of discussion on the salary cap, escrow and flattening the inflationary 5% annual bump allowed under the Collective Bargaining agreement.. Clearly some of the cap increases have been because of the artificial escalation.

    The next 7 years will likely show marked actual increase in league hockey revenues and therefore an increase in the salary cap.

    1) Seattle coming on board.

    Seattle seems like a good hockey market and they have apparently sold a lot of with season tickets. In order for them to start increasing the cap their revenue must be greater than twice the cap say 175,000 million dollars

    Arena to hold 17,400 for hockey league average ticket price is $151 and they have 33,000 deposits for season tickets. so say 120,M.

    Tons of merchandise sales for new franchise and local TV rights:

    SWAG – 207M (Ease of calculation will be a common theme on guestimates) =32 million excess which raises the cap by $500,000

    2) US national TV contract

    The US national TV contract expires at the end of the 2022 season. Prognostications say there is likely to be a huge increase. One publication says they will easily double the current $200M annually and estimates appear higher.

    SWAG – increase of of about 2.6 times current say an additional $320M per year or 10M per team which would increase the Cap by 5 M per team.

    3) Canadian TV rights

    Canadian TV contract expires at the end of the 2026 season and currently pays $436 M CAD per year which is currently about $330M USD. Too early to tell what those rights will do and what the Canadian Dollar will be worth. Interestingly the value of the Canadian Dollar is one of the most significant annual ingredients to the actual cap.

    The combined effect of the increase in the contract and the change in the value of the Canadian $ with respect to the US$ is pretty much a mystery and you can be rich if you know the answer.

    SWAG – Say a % USD increase of $192M to 522M USD annually. Oh look that’s exactly $6M per team or $3M on the cap.

    So The cap could go up, from not usual sources, by

    1) Seattle 500K in 2022
    2) US TV contract $5M in 2022 and
    3) Canadian TV contract 2026 3M

    That’s $8.5 M not counting normal inflationary increases. Some of course may only reduce the Escrow.

    A smart capologist has to consider this. I think I would want to get long term contracts signed before those increases happen. Especially before the 2022 increase due to the US TV contract.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yak signs for three more years in the KHL – I’m a bit surprised he signed for that long – would have thought he may want to try and come back to the NHL if he had another good/great year.

  85. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks: Theisman to Williams to Rypien won 3 Super Bowls for Gibbs in Washington. That was a pretty good QB run as well.

    – true good one – but not as many super bowls.

    – If the qb after Favre and Rogers wins a Super Bowl they would be up there

    – The Oil had a run of goalies that was impressive: fuhr mood ranford cujo: we had impressive goaltending for what 15 – 20 years?

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks: They negotiated both contracts with each other and the cumulative cap hit in mind. As opposed to Matthews, Nylander, Marner, each in isolation.

    Are you talking about the players or the team?

    I don’t believe the two players did this at all.

  87. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ancient Oilers Fan,

    All good points, and you’ve omitted the sports gambling coming online shortly which may increase league revenue the most of all the items you’ve listed

    *edit-and the Seattle expansion fee is $650M

  88. Jaxon says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – The Oil had a run of goalies that was impressive: fuhr mood ranford cujo: we had impressive goaltending for what 15 – 20 years?

    Detroit had a pretty good run with Vernon, Osgood, and Hasek.

  89. Rube Foster says:

    I’m scratching my head and thanking Gord as to how in the world Lavoie fell to us at 38th.

    By the scouting accounts, the knock on Lavoie was that despite being the complete package physically, his detracting issues could be boiled down to do his desire, compete and his consistency – you know… intangibles.

    Anyone who has coached 16-18 year old young men knows that desire, compete and consistency are skills that can be learned. I also know that once something “clicks” with a young athlete and they can demonstrate that “they get it”, those young athletes can maintain those soft skills and often develop those skills further.

    By my count, as of Feb 1st, 2019, Lavoie finished off the regulars season going 16gp – 11g 15a – 27pts.

    We all know about his historic playoff run 23gp – 20g 12a – 32p

    Essentially Lavoie’s season can be broken down into two “halves”.

    Sep 18 to Jan 19 – 46gp 20g 26a – 47p Point a game solid and productive.

    Feb 19 to Apr 19 – 39gp 31g 27a – 58p Supernova!

    During the playoff push and the playoffs, when the hockey was presumptively the hardest and most competitive, Lavoie clearly demonstrated that he “got it” when it comes to the soft skills of desire, compete and consistency.

    If the light bulb truly has “clicked on” for this young man, we may truly have a special player on our hands!

  90. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In response to a series of posts/conversation earlier, it also seems very odd to me that some fans will expend the time and mental resources and, presumably, get joy out of being consistent contributors to forum dedicated to discussing the Oilers but yet don’t actually want and, in some cases, refuse to watch, the actual games.

    To each their own for sure but, to me, as much as I love talking about and discussing the team (clearly), its watching the actual games that is the ultimate.

    Its always interesting to see how we are all wired in slightly different ways.

    Lowetide is the Pied Piper. That’s where it starts. I would have likely stopped caring about this team a long time ago, if not for this blog.

    Some, at this point may like the community here more than the team.

    Others, like myself are emotionally invested in the team, watch the games until the season is lost, then find it more efficient to follow the team here.

    Not all of us sleep 2-3 hrs per day, so we have less available free time than you.

  91. leadfarmer says:

    JimmyV1965: Don’t agree with the order, but that’s an impressive looking list.

    It’s a joy to look at that list and see no Lagesson and go ahh whatever that’s still a great collection of prospects who cares about arguing about them

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    “odd TO ME”

    “to each their own”

    “find it interesting that people are wired differently”

    I find it odd that some will choose to spend hours a day discussing the Oilers but made a clearly overt action to avoid watching the games.

    I have zero judgement for those that choose to do so and anyone and I do not need to defend myself against those that will call me a liar – I’ve had a fabulous day and weekend and I’m not getting in to it with those that have personal issue with me.

    P.S. – anyone seen Broberg’s abs? Klefbom is now 100% expendable!

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – ok – it seems odd your relationship with the team. I’m not passing judgement on the amount of time and whether it’s an obsession it’s just not something I understand.

    – which is hypocritical of me as I don’t think it’s fair to make observations on this. To each his iwn

    I don’t infer judgement from your post, however its almost exactly the same in nature as mine (which implied none).

    Anyways, I agree that some of my behaviors around the Oilers are odd – 100%.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Imagine if Leon and Connor didn’t have to play the highest per game minutes for a forward in the history of the NHL because our forward group is beyond embarrassing. For me a big reason we rarely tied up a game in the last 10 min Leon and Connor were spent by then and the rest of the so called shrubs couldn’t score in a Chicken Ranch with a fist full of 50s.

    I don’t disagree – one thing at a time (when there is no money to spend).

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Ancient Oilers Fan,

    All good points, and you’ve omitted the sports gambling coming online shortly which may increase league revenue the most of all the items you’ve listed

    *edit-and the Seattle expansion fee is $650M

    Under the current CBA, the expansion fee does not going to Hockey Related Revenue and goes 100% to the owners.

  96. David says:

    Jaxon:
    One thing that jumped out at me when watching Lavoie highlights was how often he pick pockets, a skill I associate with some of the best like Datsyuk, McDavid, Crosby, and even or own Nugent-Hopkins is pretty decent at it. A deft little stick lift and he’s off the other way.

    Kailer Yamamoto does this as well. Puck hound.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Under the current CBA, the expansion fee does not going to Hockey Related Revenue and goes 100% to the owners.

    No one is debating that, but we saw after Vegas joined the league, the total revenue went up

    The assertion is when Seattle joins, the total revenue will increase again (and subsequently bump up the cap)

    If you look at the original post, he was using $500M in his calculations, I was correcting him

  98. jeetz says:

    jtblack,

    Outside of the top 2 picks, nobody drafted will likely help their teams this year, maybe not next year either. I love the fact that we continue to stack our defense. Imagine Nashville with McDavid an Draisaitl. That could be us in 2-3 years.

    Nothing is going to help us this year unless we can clear some cap space first

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: It’s a joy to look at that list and see no Lagesson and go ahh whatever that’s still a great collection of prospects who cares about arguing about them

    A few of these top 10 lists have come out today and I’ve responded to a couple with my thoughts that Lagesson should be in a the same category as Jones.

    In my opinion, he’s just as NHL ready as Jones, although (a) of course, Jones will likely start in the NHL and Willie waiting for his recall and (b) both still need to prove that at the NHL level.

    Also, I have their ceilings as somewhat similar although totally different type of players. I don’t see Jones developing to a top pair and has a second pairing ceiling (and may never get there either). I also see Lagesson as a second pairing ceiling.

    Of course, Jones is the better skates, transitioner of the puck, etc. and his ceiling provides that type of offensive game, however, I see Lagesson as the new-age Adam Larsson or Jason Smith – a solid and aggressive 2LD defensive d-man that can also skate well, move the puck and has some offensive intelligence. I can see Lagesson being a 22 minute 2LD and a fan favorite – potentially.

  100. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t infer judgement from your post, however its almost exactly the same in nature as mine (which implied none).

    Anyways, I agree that some of my behaviors around the Oilers are odd – 100%.

    – Anyway I’m not making any judgment on you. Your one of the ones here that sometimes have healthy debates over the years without rancour and with much respect

    – people don’t appreciate being viewed as odd. And that is passing judgment.

    – Had you said something along the lines of isn’t it amazing that we can all be fans in different capacities with different mediums. It’s easy to see why I and others would take offence to your characterization.

  101. Bulging Twine says:

    It was said during the draft by Burke that he expects some Detroit scouts to join Holland in Edmonton. I wonder if we get the legend Hakan Andersson?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPhCWTImulI

  102. Jaxon says:

    jeetz:
    jtblack,

    Outside of the top 2 picks, nobody drafted will likely help their teams this year, maybe not next year either. I love the fact that we continue to stack our defense. Imagine Nashville with McDavid an Draisaitl. That could be us in 2-3 years.

    Nothing is going to help us this year unless we can clear some cap space first

    I think there might be a few that can help their team this year and I’m not sure Hughes or Kakko will be one of them. This is what I posted before the draft:

    JAXON says:
    June 5, 2019 at 8:53 pm
    Who are the NHL-ready picks this year?

    Most complete game with fairly elite speed, high IQ, adequate size, physicality: Cozens, Turcotte, and maybe Byram? Harder for D, but Byram is pretty elite.

    Elite picks:
    Kakko? Hughes? Can their elite talent overcome any challenges?

    Adequate speed, decent physicality, good IQ:
    Dach? Beecher? Harley? Seider? Broberg? – probably not talented enough at this stage.

    Issues for top picks:
    Hughes and Caufield are small and not very physical
    Kakko, Podkolzin, Kaliyev, Boldy and Dach aren’t very fast (not slow, just not fast)
    Newhook’s competition jump from BCHL
    Seider, Broberg, Kakko and Podkolzin have to adjust to N. American ice surfaces
    Caufield’s size and he has decent speed but not elite speed
    Krebs, Zegras, and Suzuki aren’t very fast (not slow either) or physical

    I’d say Cozens, Turcotte, and Byram are most likely to start in the NHL and have decent rookie seasons.

    After the combine, there’s a lot of buzz about Seider’s state of mind. Many teams seem very impressed with him. He might climb, but will definitely need some adjustment time. Probably best to get out of Germany though. Maybe join the WHL?

  103. Jaxon says:

    A few scouts on Lavoie:
    Sam Conentino – SportsNetFeb. 13th: “One of the biggest enigmas in this draft class, his matter-of-fact attitude is displayed on and off the ice. It always comes back to skill and he has a lot of that to offer.”

    Steve Kournianos – Sporting NewsJan. 31st: “Few bigger forwards in the 2019 group can motor and handle the puck as well as Lavoie, who plays with confidence while controlling the puck. He’s a sound decision maker and can score goals from just about anywhere in the offensive zone.”

    Hannah Stuart – theScoreJan. 9th: “The projected power forward has an accurate and heavy shot, while he’s good at protecting the puck.”

    Sam Cosentino – Sportsnet – Dec. 12th: “A full array of tools from which to draw and all of them are NHL calibre. Playing with the full toolbox every night is a challenge.”

    Sam Cosentino – SportsNet – Nov. 7th: “Great hands with the ability to work in tight spaces. Combined with acute shooting ability, he is a threat every time he crosses the blue line.”

    Steve Kournianos – The Draft Analyst – Nov. 5th: “Big-bodied goal scorer with very good speed and can stickhandle his way around any jam.”

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss: No one is debating that, but we saw after Vegas joined the league, the total revenue went up

    The assertion is when Seattle joins, the total revenue will increase again (and subsequently bump up the cap)

    If you look at the original post, he was using $500M in his calculations, I was correcting him

    Sorry – I thought it was being used as a direct source for cap increase – I didn’t read the original post fully and I apologize.

  105. Bulging Twine says:

    Lavoie at the combine – tests in which he ranked in the top 25:

    Aerobic Fitness: Test Duration – 5th
    Aerobic Fitness: VO2max (ml/kg/min) – 4th
    Anaerobic Fitness: – Peak Power Output (watts/kg) – 5th
    Anthropometry: Wing Span (inches) – 4th
    Body Compostion Juhasz % Body Fat – 21st

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – true good one – but not as many super bowls.

    – If the qb after Favre and Rogers wins a Super Bowl they would be up there

    – The Oil had a run of goalies that was impressive: fuhr mood ranford cujo: we had impressive goaltending for what 15 – 20 years?

    As a young Oilers fan growing up, I just assumed that having good goaltending was a given. How wrong I was!

  107. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Theisman to Williams to Rypien won 3 Super Bowls for Gibbs in Washington. That was a pretty good QB run as well.

    Brady (3 SB wins) to Brady (2 SB losses on miracle catches, and offensive records) to Brady ( 3 SB wins, one loss)…3 HOF careers.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    It was said during the draft by Burke that he expects some Detroit scouts to join Holland in Edmonton.I wonder if we get the legend Hakan Andersson?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPhCWTImulI

    For disclosure, I didn’t click the link now but I was watching when he said that and I interpreted his comment as more a simple assumption than having any sort of info.

    It does make sense – now that the draft is done, changes to the amateur scouting can/may be made.

    Of course, we all know its the pro scouting that needs a complete overhaul.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Lavoie at the combine – tests in which he ranked in the top 25:

    Aerobic Fitness: Test Duration – 5th
    Aerobic Fitness: VO2max (ml/kg/min) – 4th
    Anaerobic Fitness: – Peak Power Output (watts/kg) – 5th
    Anthropometry: Wing Span (inches) – 4th
    Body Compostion Juhasz % Body Fat – 21st

    I bet ya Broberg beats him in the body fat percentage…..

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BzAHoTdnvcx/

  110. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Brady (3 SB wins) to Brady (2 SB losses on miracle catches, and offensive records) to Brady ( 3 SB wins, one loss)…3 HOF careers.

    He’s got a Brady Bunch of rings.

  111. Reja says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Lavoie at the combine – tests in which he ranked in the top 25:

    Aerobic Fitness: Test Duration – 5th
    Aerobic Fitness: VO2max (ml/kg/min) – 4th
    Anaerobic Fitness: – Peak Power Output (watts/kg) – 5th
    Anthropometry: Wing Span (inches) – 4th
    Body Compostion Juhasz % Body Fat – 21st

    So why did he drop to 38. I really thought he was going top 20 and then I thought oh no the flames are going to take him because he’s exactly what they need instead they take another shrimp and then he surprisingly makes it all the way to us.

  112. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Lavoie at the combine – tests in which he ranked in the top 25:

    Aerobic Fitness: Test Duration – 5th
    Aerobic Fitness: VO2max (ml/kg/min) – 4th
    Anaerobic Fitness: – Peak Power Output (watts/kg) – 5th
    Anthropometry: Wing Span (inches) – 4th
    Body Compostion Juhasz % Body Fat – 21st

    – Hockey is so bush league in terms of evaluating

    – how fast are they on the ice? How many strides to get to full speed? Max full speed? Agility tests. Shooting accuracy. Strength of shot.

    – Gretz would have a good max vO2 given his history as an elite runner (fun fact: Wayne held OFSSA track records) but players don’t get to max V02 on any shift

    – really poor evaluating methods. And then you just interview them.

    – the interviews make me laugh. I recall the Taylor vs Tyler and MacT asked Hall if it was important to be 1st overall and Hall replied something like “yeah I want to be the best”. MacT gave this shit grin and he was sold.

    – Like MacT or any of the GMs have done any research into interview techniques or track over time answers to evaluate their relationship to future performance

    – Hockey is so primitive. They don’t even allow players to come for individual workouts so that teams can set baseline testing or evaluation of their choosing.

  113. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “odd TO ME”

    “to each their own”

    “find it interesting that people are wired differently”

    I find it odd that some will choose to spend hours a day discussing the Oilers but made a clearly overt action to avoid watching the games.

    I have zero judgement for those that choose to do so and anyone and I do not need to defend myself against those that will call me a liar – I’ve had a fabulous day and weekend and I’m not getting in to it with those that have personal issue with me.

    P.S. – anyone seen Broberg’s abs?Klefbom is now 100% expendable!

    Have I seen the 17 year old boy’s abs?

    Yeah, I’m going to take a big ol’ pass on that one. lol

  114. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have been beating that drum for weeks now – that Eriksson brings MUCH more on the ice these days than Lucic – mostly on another platform than this one.

    The only “pros” I hear for Lucic over Eriksson are that he hits, deters and intimidates. I don’t believe the last two at all – OK, maybe he can intimidate but it doesn’t actually deter and doesn’t actually help on the ice, not in my opinion. He does hit but his hits are 90% on d-men who have already transitioned the puck and the play is going the other way.They don’t wear the d-man down or make them panic later in the game either. Maybe, just maybe, it could in a playoff series but, one thing at a time.

    Eriksson has produced at 3rd line rates for two seasons in a row (Lucic at replacement level third line rates).

    Eriksson has averaged 90 second/game on the PK during his current contract and the team numbers when he is on the PK are very very good.Going back to his previous days, the team numbers when he’s on the PK border on elite.

    I don’t like Eriksson and I don’t want him – he doesn’t “hit” but he does seem to be able to provide some depth production and help on the PK – two things this team needs. From a cap neutral stand-point, I take him over Lucic.

    Of course, one year less of term and no NMC.

    Lucic has the worst contract in the NHL – there isn’t a player in the league we shouldn’t trade him for straight up.

    OP you forgot his added wisdom. Wisdom is a skill isn’t it, asking for a friend.😉

  115. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks: Have I seen the 17 year old boy’s abs?

    Yeah, I’m going to take a big ol’ pass on that one. lol

    Kevin Spacey alert.

  116. leadfarmer says:

    Reja: So why did he drop to 38. I really thought he was going top 20 and then I thoughtoh no the flames are going to take him because he’s exactly what they need instead they take another shrimp and then he surprisingly makes it all the way to us.

    Because everyone decided to draft d

  117. leadfarmer says:

    I feel bad for Hall
    Next year he will finally be able to go to a contender and all the contenders will be out of cap.
    Actually most teams will be out of cap

  118. defmn says:

    Jaxon:

    After the combine, there’s a lot of buzz about Seider’s state of mind. Many teams seem very impressed with him. He might climb, but will definitely need some adjustment time. Probably best to get out of Germany though. Maybe join the WHL?

    Hard to believe that Holland didn’t know who Yzerman was going to take first in the draft imo and if that is the case I have to believe there were long conversations comparing Seider and Broberg between the two of them and Detroit’s scouting staff.

    Pretty sure the teacher and the student both made similar decisions on the draft floor because they both see the game the same way.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Do you know Lagessons back story
    Curious why he went from USHL to two years NCAA to Sweden for a year to Ahl?

  120. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Woogie63:
    Nurse-Bouchard
    Klefbom-Broberg
    Samorukov-Larsson

    That is 5 drafted top10OV D!

  121. Tarkus says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: That is 5 drafted top10OV D!

    Well, five 1st-rounders, anyway.

    Klefbom went 19th overall in ’11.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Do you know Lagessons back story
    Curious why he went from USHL to two years NCAA to Sweden for a year to Ahl?

    I don’t know for sure, no, but I believe the SHL year was something discussed between the organization and the player – similar to how they will be discussing Broberg’s placement next year.

  123. jtblack says:

    leadfarmer:
    I feel bad for Hall
    Next year he will finally be able to go to a contender and all the contenders will be out of cap.
    Actually most teams will be out of cap

    NJ may be a contender nxt yr or yr after.
    Added Hughes and Subban.

    Major improvement

  124. Jethro Tull says:

    Reja: Kevin Spacey alert.

    He meant on his car. The abs braking system.

  125. Silver Streak says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I believe he had only 1 year of NCAA…( maybe academic problems ) then back to Sweden.

  126. Jaxon says:

    And one more piece of info on Lavoie for those who say, “Yeah, but he was an older prospect”. Here are the best Q playoff scorers under 19 (draft and draft+1):
    ’08 – Paul Byron – 19GP – 21G (draft+1)
    ’19 – Raphael Lavoie – 23GP – 20G (draft season)
    ’07 – Brad Marchand – 20GP – 16G (draft+1)
    ’11 – Jonathan Huberdeau – 19GP – 16G (draft season)
    ’16 – Anthony Beauvillier – 21GP – 15G (draft+1)
    ’05 – Sidney Crosby – 13GP – 14G (draft season)
    ’14 – Jonathan Drouin – 16GP – 13G (draft+1)
    ’12 – Nathan MacKinnon – 17GP – 13G (draft-1)
    ’11 – Jean-Gabriel Pageau – 24GP – 13G (draft season)

    Great list of players. Every one of them has scored at least 19 goals in one season.

  127. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    By memory, it was due to being blocked at the AHL level (Leftorium) and wanting to play where he could get the most minutes/situations and further his development.

  128. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    Had a quick look, yep; Leftorium.

    Source:
    https://oilersnation.com/2018/04/21/oilers-prospect-william-lagesson-returning-to-north-america/

    After playing well at last year’s development camp, William Lagesson was loaned to Djurgårdens IF as a means to get him more playing time as the Condors were flush with left-shot defenceman for the 2017-18 campaign. At the time, AGM Keith Gretzky spoke a little bit about the decision to keep him in Sweden and what kind of player we’re talking about:

    “William’s a big, stay-at-home defenceman. He’s a little older, bigger, stronger and he needs to play more games. This will really help him and his development.”

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Silver Streak:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I believe he had only 1 year of NCAA…( maybe academic problems ) then back to Sweden.

    He played two full seasons a U-Mass – only 27 games in the his first season post draft but a full 36 games in the second.

  130. Reja says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    leadfarmer,

    Had a quick look, yep; Leftorium.

    Source:
    https://oilersnation.com/2018/04/21/oilers-prospect-william-lagesson-returning-to-north-america/

    After playing well at last year’s development camp, William Lagesson was loaned to Djurgårdens IF as a means to get him more playing time as the Condors were flush with left-shot defenceman for the 2017-18 campaign. At the time, AGM Keith Gretzky spoke a little bit about the decision to keep him in Sweden and what kind of player we’re talking about:

    “William’s a big, stay-at-home defenceman. He’s a little older, bigger, stronger and he needs to play more games. This will really help him and his development.”

    Maybe Katz could buy another AHL team so some of our LD prospects can get some playing time.

  131. slopitch says:

    Jaxon:
    And one more piece of info on Lavoie for those who say, “Yeah, but he was an older prospect”. Here are the best Q playoff scorers under 19 (draft and draft+1):
    ’08 – Paul Byron – 19GP – 21G (draft+1)
    ’19 – Raphael Lavoie – 23GP – 20G (draft season)
    ’07 – Brad Marchand – 20GP – 16G (draft+1)
    ’11 – Jonathan Huberdeau – 19GP – 16G (draft season)
    ’16 – Anthony Beauvillier – 21GP – 15G (draft+1)
    ’05 – Sidney Crosby – 13GP – 14G (draft season)
    ’14 – Jonathan Drouin – 16GP – 13G (draft+1)
    ’12 – Nathan MacKinnon – 17GP – 13G (draft-1)
    ’11 – Jean-Gabriel Pageau – 24GP – 13G (draft season)

    Great list of players. Every one of them has scored at least 19 goals in one season.

    I read he had 5 en goals. But he’s still in great company at 15 goals!

    Oilers havent had a good 2nd pick since Petry (Benson and McLeod are possible). Lets go Raphael!

  132. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The McLellan/Chiarelli combo didn’t seem to understand that pre-season means essentially nothing with respect to NHL readiness of recently drafted skill players – in particular the first 5-6 games (but even the last few as well notwithstanding the rosters).

    I’m sure both Tmac and Chia fully u derstand the preseason and it’s value.

    It is a ramp up in intensity and excellent experience for any young prospect. Young players play thier hardest and slowly fade as the intensity increases. This is not news. The decision to keep players around the Oilers roster was more driven by a lack of roster depth. Regardless, they had a long look at Macloud and you have to wonder what they seen and thoughts. Ian wondering how he does this year and if he is perhaps a step ahead of where we as fans have him.

  133. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    slopitch,

    Gretzky scored 55 empty net goals over his career. Nobody’s trying to say he really only scored 837 true goals. They all count.

  134. Reja says:

    slopitch: I read he had 5 en goals. But he’s still in great company at 15 goals!

    Oilers havent had a good 2nd pick since Petry (Benson and McLeod are possible). Lets go Raphael!

    I would take pitlick back he was just coming into his own. Remind me why they didn’t resign him again.

  135. defmn says:

    Reja: I would take pitlick back he was just coming into his own. Remind me why they didn’t resign him again.

    Qualifying offer and health, I believe.

  136. slopitch says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    slopitch,

    Gretzky scored 55 empty net goals over his career.Nobody’s trying to say he really only scored 837 true goals.They all count.

    Ya my point isnt that en goals dont count. Its that even if u discount him for it, he’s in good company.

  137. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    defmn,

    By memory it was he wanted longer than the one year term offered. When Nill offered 3 years he took it.

  138. Side says:

    slopitch: I read he had 5 en goals. But he’s still in great company at 15 goals!

    Oilers havent had a good 2nd pick since Petry (Benson and McLeod are possible). Lets go Raphael!

    Even better. Since it feels like the Oilers struggle mightily at scoring empty net goals.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    There should be plenty of playing time for the prospects:

    Lagesson/Bear
    Lowe/Bouchard
    Samorukov/Day

    Day shoudl only be getting 3rd pairing minutes at evens anyways (and he’s not really a legit NHL prospect in my opinion). Yes Samorukov behind Lowe to start – Lowe will be a good mentor for Bouchard and Sammy can be eased in for a bit – no harm there. PP time will be at a premium to start, with all those guys but Lagesson and Lowe in “need” of it. Likely two units of 2-dmen (did that at times last season).

    This is predicated on Jones in the NHL (and Persson) which mean they need one of the incumbents (cough: Russell) on his way out.

    Of course, that’s with zero injuries at the NHL or AHL level – that likely won’t even be the case on opening night.

  140. Glovjuice says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I think the massive sea change in the league the last couple years is agents & players both realized how absolutely critical it is for teams to have a competitive core signed through their RFA years and into their initial UFA years. And they’re no longer willing to sign these longer deals or give away the RFA years at a discount. The thought process has become, “why should I wait for the UFA deal for the luxe $? The league has skewed younger and I’m in my prime now.”

    Before players were willing to sell some RFA years cheap for the security of the 7 year deal. Now they’re all pushing for bigger $ shorter term deals that push them to true free agency sooner.

    We should thank Gord every day that Chia got McDavid & Draisaitl signed to max term deals before this paradigm shift.

    The Nylander holdout was crucial. Dubas LOST that standoff in the league’s hottest media spotlight and suddenly agents remembered that player holdouts put GMs over a barrel. NHL contract negotiations have always boiled down to AAV($) for the player vs control (term) for the team. And man, agents are making GMs pay dearly for control at the moment.

    To succeed in this, you’re going to see NHL GMs have to embrace the concept of less loyalty and higher roster turnover. Eventually, there will be 2 or 3 core players max with the rest of the roster on shorter term deals and massive churn in player movement and roster refresh.

    The Hawks did this and won 3 cups in six years. That is a massive dynasty in this era. The Oilers need to trade Nuge and Larson now to extract the requisite value of said players vis-a-vis their career ark. One little issue is we have no cups with them in the lineup and the Hawks had 1,2 or 3 depending on when you perform the timeline analysis.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I would take pitlick back he was just coming into his own. Remind me why they didn’t resign him
    again.

    62
    44
    49
    31
    37
    31

    6 pro seasons – those are his games played in those seasons.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Qualifying offer and health, I believe.

    Wasn’t the QO – he was hurt so much that he played so few games he became a Group VI UFA

  143. Glovjuice says:

    Professor Q:
    Ryan,

    Crosby skates differently than MacKinnon and McDavid, though. He has the quads and hams of an Olympian deity.

    Crosby’s hams ooze succulent juices.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    defmn,

    By memory it was he wanted longer than the one year term offered.When Nill offered 3 years he took it.

    This is also not quite accurate.

    He was express upon his first return to Edmonton as a Star that he was just hoping to get a one-way contract from someone and was floored when, not only did Dallas offer that but the three years.

    With that said, if the Oilers had offered him a one-way deal before he became a UFA, he likely would have signed it so they may have been ready to move on – see games played (as you correctly state with the injuries) – they have had issues with the 50 in the past.

  145. Reja says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    defmn,

    By memory it was he wanted longer than the one year term offered.When Nill offered 3 years he took it.

    He has 2 more years in Dallas to pull a Glencross

  146. flyfish1168 says:

    Reja: Bouchard

    Broberg

  147. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wasn’t the QO – he was hurt so much that he played so few games he became a Group VI UFA

    Thanks for the reminder. The injuries just made him really high risk.

  148. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: 62
    44
    49
    31
    37
    31

    6 pro seasons – those are his games played in those seasons.

    But a very effective player when healthy and if we ever make the playoffs these are the type you need to win in my opinion. We spent all that time developing him he was on the cheap even on a 3 year contract it’s not like our bottom 6 is bubbling over with anybody better them him.

  149. Material Elvis says:

    slopitch: I read he had 5 en goals. But he’s still in great company at 15 goals!

    Oilers havent had a good 2nd pick since Petry (Benson and McLeod are possible). Lets go Raphael!

    How many EN goals did those other guys have? I’m certain that the answer isn’t zero.

  150. Material Elvis says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: That is 5 drafted top10OV D!

    I count four.

  151. Maoriduvpoojt says:

    I was just looking at some other teams’ draft picks and stumbled across this interesting tidbit (at least for me) there is a 15 yr old prep school player @ St. Sebastian’s in Mass who scored 25 pts in 25 games (15 goals) this past season. He is on a team that have a couple of NHL draft picks on it and mostly 18 & 19 year old teammates.

    Alumni from this school include Mike Morrison, Rick DiPietro and Mike Grier. Recent alumni include Brian Boyle & Noah Hanifan.

    This player’s name: Jack Hughes

  152. slopitch says:

    https://twitter.com/treenasoil/status/1143002365672341504?s=21

    Ville Leskinen a name to consider….as per Garfield

    To replace JP or to help woo him back? Hmmm

  153. Neumann says:

    Lowetide,

    LT – perhaps a lacrosse game, a medicine game, the Thompson brothers are doing amazing things in lacrosse at the moment for First Nations youth and lacrosse around the world.

  154. godot10 says:

    Reja: I would take pitlick back he was just coming into his own. Remind me why they didn’t resign him again.

    Martin Marincin is up to 200 NHL games. He would have had more than that if the Oilers hadn’t given him away for a late round draft pick.

  155. godot10 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    defmn,

    By memory it was he wanted longer than the one year term offered.When Nill offered 3 years he took it.

    The Oilers didn’t offer Pitlick a contract before he became a UFA.

  156. godot10 says:

    Glovjuice: The Hawks did this and won 3 cups in six years. That is a massive dynasty in this era.The Oilers need to trade Nuge and Larson now to extract the requisite value of said players vis-a-vis their career ark. One little issue is we have no cups with them in the lineup and the Hawks had 1,2 or 3 depending on when you perform the timeline analysis.

    The Hawks were able to give Keith and Hossa contracts which today would be cap contravention.

    The OIlers don’t have enough good hockey players to trade Nugent-Hopkins or Larsson.

  157. Munny says:

    defmn: Stauffer Top 10 Oilers Prospects after 2019 Draft
    #1. Bouchard-RD
    #2. Broberg-LD
    #3. Yamamoto-RW
    #4. Benson-LW
    #5. Samaroukov-LD
    #6. Lavoie-C/RW
    #7. McLeod-C
    #8. Jones-LD
    #9. Marody-C
    #10. Maksimov-RW

    The person missing from this list is Konovalov. By the numbers, he’s the best goalie we’ve drafted since Dubnyk. I’d have him placed somewhere in the middle of this bunch. At worst 7th.

  158. oilersfan says:

    Stauffer just tweeted that the oilers should look at Brett Connolly.

    Which means they are

    Hopefully they can get him for 2x$3 million given the cap crunch around the league

    He was a sixth overall pick by the can’t miss kid Stevie Yzerman

    Would help make up for the colossal fail on Jesse

    Didn’t the talk to free agent window open today?

  159. RonnieB says:

    Reja: But a very effective player when healthy and if we ever make the playoffs these are the typeyou need to win in my opinion. We spent all that time developing him he was on the cheap even on a 3 year contract it’s not like our bottom 6 is bubbling over with anybody better them him.

    Just to put a bow on it, this year he managed to play in 47 games with 8 goals and 4 assists.

  160. Bulging Twine says:

    Watched some Lavoie highlights.

    One thing that stood out was his great ability to quickly adjust his body and stick to changing circumstances and get a shot off. Very good adjusting and quick thinking.

  161. Pescador says:

    Tarkus: Well, five 1st-rounders, anyway.

    Klefbom went 19th overall in ’11.

    Yes, but let’s be honest
    he should’ve been drafted top 10

  162. Gerta Rauss says:

    This little nugget from Mirtle’s latest at The Athletic

    re: the Leafs in trying to acquire a D

    They’ve seemingly talked to every team in the league about every defenceman they could plausibly add, including some surprising names such as Darnell Nurse, a former Soo Greyhound whom Leafs GM Kyle Dubas apparently tried to pry out of Edmonton a few weeks ago in a blockbuster deal before talks broke down

  163. Pescador says:

    oilersfan:
    Stauffer just tweeted that the oilers should look at Brett Connolly.

    Which means they are

    Hopefully they can get him for 2x$3 milliongiven the cap crunch around the league

    He was a sixth overall pick by the can’t miss kid Stevie Yzerman

    Would help make up for the colossal fail on Jesse

    Didn’t the talk to free agent window open today?

    top 6 UFA wingers typically don’t sign for $3Mil x 2
    4-5 years @ $5M, this will be the ask from the agent
    These are 2019 prices

  164. Reja says:

    RonnieB: Just to put a bow on it, this year he managed to play in 47 games with 8 goals and 4 assists.

    He would have been our 6th leading Goal scorer up front. Pitlick was valuable even though he got injured the year we made the playoffs he scored some key goals that won us games. All I’m saying is I would take 6 pitlicks in the bottom 6 today then the shrubs we had there last year.

  165. Munny says:

    Pescador: Yes, but let’s be honest
    he should’ve been drafted top 10

    I had him ranked 11th going into that draft. Was ecstatic when we got him. I think he’s covered his spot. But I also had Larsson at 1st, ahead of Nuge, but the offence never showed up.

  166. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Yikes. Have to wonder what the other pieces to the blockbuster were.

  167. YKOil says:

    Munny:
    Gerta Rauss,
    Yikes. Have to wonder what the other pieces to the blockbuster were.

    Guessing Nylander? If Nylander wasn’t involved that becomes a much more complicated trade.

  168. Ancient Oilers Fan says:

    Gerta Rauss: No one is debating that, but we saw after Vegas joined the league, the total revenue went up

    The assertion is when Seattle joins, the total revenue will increase again (and subsequently bump up the cap)

    If you look at the original post, he was using $500M in his calculations, I was correcting him

    Actually, in the original post the Buy-in fee was never mentioned. The only $500 had a K behind it not an M and was a conservative estimate of how much a decent Seattle year might change the cap,$500,000

  169. Munny says:

    YKOil,

    Well, if it fell apart, it likely was a complicated trade. Could’ve been Kadri + Brown.

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ancient Oilers Fan,

    Yup, 10-4, I stand corrected

  171. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny,

    What I found interesting about that quote was that there was “talks” that may have involved Nurse

  172. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    It’s not surprising though. He’s easily the most tradeable piece for bringing in forward help, and he’s going to be expensive at some point. I imagine his name has been out there for some time.

    Puts a little oomph behind the Broberg pick too.

    At some point a defenseman or two are going to be traded.

  173. ArmchairGM says:

    Jethro Tull: At 12yo he was only 5’11 and 180lbs…..I keed, I keed!

    That is a difference. What’s interesting is the story that his coaches put him D because they wanted him on the team. My question would be “who were the wingers who were better than him?”

    Broberg was a center, not a winger. ( haven’t followed the thread exactly, just assuming that you are talking about him)

  174. Jaxon says:

    slopitch: I read he had 5 en goals. But he’s still in great company at 15 goals!

    Oilers havent had a good 2nd pick since Petry (Benson and McLeod are possible). Lets go Raphael!

    EN goals in the playoffs are actually a big positive. It means the coach put you out in the dying seconds of a playoff game to protect a lead close enough to pull the goalie. It means the coach trusted him defensively, too.

  175. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: True, however, on the other hand, imagine McDavid and Drai no spending 60% of their time in their own zone running around and defending……

    Facetious argument. Broberg is several years out still, and if Nurse is any indication it’ll be draft+5 or draft+6 before he’s effective in the top-4. Is 1 more defenseman going to change things from “spending 60% of their time in their own zone running around and defending” to a puck transitioning powerhouse team – especially a guy for whom outlet passing isn’t his strong point? You know better, OP.

  176. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    I feel bad for Hall
    Next year he will finally be able to go to a contender and all the contenders will be out of cap.
    Actually most teams will be out of cap

    Pretty sure he said something like he’s earned his money and the next contract will be about contending. It looks like the NHL GMs are going to hold him to his word.

  177. ArmchairGM says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    slopitch,

    Gretzky scored 55 empty net goals over his career.Nobody’s trying to say he really only scored 837 true goals.They all count.

    I wish they didn’t count vis a vis the rocket Richard though, cause Draisaitl would’ve won this year if they didn’t. Ovi only scored 47 against goalies, Draisaitl scored 50.

  178. ArmchairGM says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    This little nugget from Mirtle’s latest at The Athletic

    re: the Leafs in trying to acquire a D

    They’ve seemingly talked to every team in the league about every defenceman they could plausibly add, including some surprising names such as Darnell Nurse, a former Soo Greyhound whom Leafs GM Kyle Dubas apparently tried to pry out of Edmonton a few weeks ago in a blockbuster deal before talks broke down

    Blockbuster as in Marner? Or Blockbuster as in Marleau + Zaitsev?

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Martin Marincin is up to 200 NHL games.He would have had more than that if the Oilers hadn’t given him away for a late round draft pick.

    Oh, come on, Marincin is 27 and still has not established himself as an every day NHL player – spent time last year in the minor leagues with an org that has a major deficiency with NHL blueliners.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: The person missing from this list is Konovalov.By the numbers, he’s the best goalie we’ve drafted since Dubnyk.I’d have him placed somewhere in the middle of this bunch.At worst 7th.

    I would argue the main person missing from that list is Lagesson.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Facetious argument. Broberg is several years out still, and if Nurse is any indication it’ll be draft+5 or draft+6 before he’s effective in the top-4. Is 1 more defenseman going to change things from “spending 60% of their time in their own zone running around and defending” to a puck transitioning powerhouse team – especially a guy for whom outlet passing isn’t his strong point? You know better, OP.

    My post had nothing to do with Broberg.

  182. Hot Eire says:

    slopitch:
    https://twitter.com/treenasoil/status/1143002365672341504?s=21

    Ville Leskinen a name to consider….as per Garfield

    To replace JP or to help woo him back? Hmmm

    Would be a potentially nice pick up for the oil if true.

    Gotta say that apart from that one great summer, treenasoil rumours have stayed just that….rumours.

  183. Jaxon says:

    Age clusters with Broberg, Lavoie and Konovalov added. If Broberg matures quickly it would really benefit the Oilers. Lavoie may jump up sooner than we expect. Next year until 2025-26 is their 6-year window with 2022-23 and 23-24 looking like their best shot at winning. I’ve made broad assumptions about development, peaks, and aging curves that may or may not be accurate.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W9kRR02jI_Hfze-kDH4uRPgQao3QthQKj373RpleDnI/edit?usp=sharing

  184. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Top 20 Prospects summer 2019

    https://theathletic.com/1034227/2019/06/24/oilers-post-draft-top-20-prospects/

  185. oilersfan says:

    Pescador,

    He is a tweeter between top six and third line

    The cap is $1.5 million lower than expected

    Wilde has the estimate at $3.5 million

    I wonder if he would take a discount for a 2 year term

  186. Ryan says:

    Hot Eire: Would be a potentially nice pick up for the oil if true.

    Gotta say that apart from that one great summer, treenasoil rumours have stayed just that….rumours.

    Leskinen is just throwing a name at the wall to see if it sticks.

    He’s been rumoured to be interested in making the move to the NHL already.

    Obviously, we have job openings on the wings.

    https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2019/04/several-liiga-champions-looking-to-make-nhl-jump.html

  187. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would argue the main person missing from that list is Lagesson.

    Of course you would, but you would be wrong. You don’t put a defenseman whose career is likely to be journeyman–if he makes it–ahead a potential #1 goalie.

    From his pair of tweets, it looks like Stauffer had him 11 or 12, behind Maksimov and Marody. That was proper slotting. At best you could argue flip Maksi for Lagesson. But with Kona on the list, that would still place Lagesson outside the top 10.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    That is my opinion and it is not wrong as it is an opinion.

    I would state the Lagesson is more likely to have an NHL career than this goalie. I am not projecting a 20 year old KHL goalie in to the NHL – I hope he does make it but that is far far far from a foregone conclusion.

    I project Lagesson more than a “likely journeyman” and I see him as having a solid chance at becoming a 22 minute 2LD.

  189. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is my opinion and it is not wrong as it is an opinion.

    Lol… of course from my point of view it is wrong. You are stating your opinion in the first place because you think my opinion is wrong. C’mon man, call a spade a spade. It’s okay to disagree.

  190. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: I am not projecting a 20 year old KHL goalie in to the NHL

    Fortunately our GM does, otherwise he would not have spent a 3rd rounder on him.

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