Misfits

As we approach free agency, and begin to hear names connect to the Oilers, we can make assumptions about the roster. For instance, Edmonton is going to acquire a veteran goaltender, meaning Shane Starrett will be in Bakersfield, the team isn’t going to acquire Tristan Jarry and Anthony Stolarz is down the line.

There are a plethora of defensemen available, meaning a Kris Russell trade is a distant bell, at least for now. Wingers? Brett Connolly is available but might take up most of the cap room available. What does that mean to the rest of procurement?

THE ATHLETIC

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • New Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • New Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

RIGHT (NY) GARD?

Joakim Nygard is a fascinating cat. His NHLE is 19-13-32 and that would represent No. 2 line LW on this club. Can he handle that? I mean, he’s a speed demon and the SHL is a good league, but could he score 19 goals in the NHL with Nuge and maybe some power-play time?

Year over year Nygard looks consistent, he increased his shot and goal totals this past season, both campaigns look good (this is SHL).

50-MAN ROSTER (42)

Edmonton has to qualify several rfa’s today, that gets them back on the roster. Jesse Puljujarvi will be qualified, I assume Jujhar Khaira will be as well. After that, we may see all of Tyler Vesel, Colin Larkin and Robin Norell walked. Edmonton has already indicated Tobias Rieder and Ty Rattie will not return.

CURRENT PROJECTED LINEUP

This is obviously not the final roster but does serve to show how much work Ken Holland has left to do this summer. Ideally, Starrett, Manning, Benson, Currie, Brodziak and possibly others are upgraded but there’s going to be too much month at the end of the money.

Edmonton has the cap room to get a goalie and one, two wingers. I think a buyout is possible.

GAETAN HAAS

Rumors online that the Oilers will sigh RH center Gaetan Haas in free agency after July 1. Here is the story. EP says he plays a reliable game, Haas scored 50, 15-23-38 for Bern last season (Mark Arcobello led the team in points with 53). Here’s how he would lineup NHLE compared to Edmonton’s prospects/minor leaguers.

I expect he’ll be fighting it out for a roster spot with a bunch of names on this list, as well as Colby Cave and Kyle Brodziak. His range of skills bodes well for him, and his skating (described as excellent) might be the key element for him in making the team.

We’ve had him on the radar for some time, looks like the Capitals winger is a real possibility. Here’s what I wrote back in March (here):

He’ll turn 27 in the spring, and has just posted his first 20-plus goal season in the NHL. Once viewed as a failed draft pick (he was No. 6 overall to Tampa Bay in 2010) Connolly has emerged as a reliable scoring winger who is just now reaching his peak value.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning with great guests and some meaty, beaty, big and bouncy things to discuss. It all starts at 10, TSN1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will join us, we’ll talk the weekend draft and free agency to come. Sean Woodley will be by from Locked on Raptors and TSN1150 to talk awards, offseason and being cool around Kawhi. Finally, Scott Wheeler from The Athletic will discuss Edmonton’s draft and some of the big winners from last weekend. Talk soon! 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Professor Q says:

    There will be a lot of turnover, and I am excited for it. Bring in the new players.

  2. Pouzar says:

    The plan could be to give Connolly a serious contract while filling in the bottom six holes with cheap, speedy Euro Free Agents. Not sure what to think of the Brett Richie rumors though.

  3. Hot Eire says:

    Have also seen Ville Leskinen mentioned a couple of times in the twitterverse. Fits the mold of cheap, speedy euro free agents who seem to have a clue about both ends of the ice.

  4. tsunami says:

    Haas’ skating is extremely good… probably the best of any Swiss player… not totally convinced about this defensive game, but maybe they’re thinking about putting him on wing ?

  5. Ben says:

    Happy if they go longer on term with Connolly to get a better average. $3.5×4?

    I think we might underestimate the impact of Russell’s limited NTC. He can just shrug and submit a list of 10 teams in cap hell. PC, man. What a negotiator.

    Would far prefer Russell goes over Benning.

  6. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If you could get Donskoi for $1M cheaper than Connolly, I’d do that. Perfect world you could get both. I do wonder if it makes sense to sign a $4M UFA winger when you’ve got $27M tied up in your top 3 Fs, Nurse due for a substantial raise next summer.

    Ottawa’s still gotta reach the cap floor, I wonder if there’s a deal there for Gagner (wife works in Ontario I believe). Team could use the vet, skill, and cap hit.

  7. Jaxon says:

    This is a bit late, but it’s been a bust week.

    LAK had the best draft in my opinion, they picked #4 on my list (Turcotte), #6 (Kaliyev), #28 (Bjornfot), #32 (Spence), and they grabbed a decent overager in Fagemo, and one of the best goalies in the draft (Parik).

    COL had the 2nd best draft grabbing Byram #3 on my list, Newhook (my #9), and Beaucage (#35).

    I would say Edmonton had the 3rd best drafts getting Broberg who I had at #13, and Lavoie who I had at #14 and then grabbing one of the best goalies in the draft who is an overager playing well in the KHL in Konovalov.

    NYR kinda had the best draft acquiring Kakko (my #1), and using their midround pick to get Trouba, They also picked up Matt Robertson and Leevi Aaltonen who is a slight speedster.

    BUF did well to grab Cozens, and of course, NJD got Hughes, but I’m still not convinced he’ll be a definite top 6 in a re-draft 5 years from now. 5th on his own team in 5v5 Primary Points / 60. NSH did great to grab Tomasino where they did.

  8. Jethro Tull says:

    Oilers sign Glenn Danzig. Tell your children.

  9. Dustylegnd says:

    Ben:
    Happy if they go longer on term with Connolly to get a better average. $3.5×4?

    I think we might underestimate the impact of Russell’s limited NTC. He can just shrug and submit a list of 10 teams in cap hell. PC, man. What a negotiator.

    Would far prefer Russell goes over Benning.

    Somebody will give Connoly at least 5 years….can almost guarantee it…these guys cant help themselves

  10. Woogie63 says:

    Two things

    1. Oilers stretch limited talent better with McDavid and Draisaitl split up

    2. Koskinen’s signing looks a lot better, given the options on the market.

  11. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Oilers sign Glenn Danzig. Tell your children.

    Oh
    Mother

  12. dustrock says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Oilers sign Glenn Danzig. Tell your children.

    Number 13?

  13. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Oilers sign Glenn Danzig. Tell your children.

    With his new single coming out later this season, Bring Up Herr Jones (yes, I know the singer at time was Adam-er, Michale, Graves).

  14. GloryDaysOfStortini says:

    smh those buyout cap hits, I hope we don’t do any more buyouts…

  15. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wow the Kadri – Russell talk sure got the blood up a bit yesterday, fascinating stuff and a couple quick points of thought.

    1) The proposal isn’t about overvaluing Oiler assets while undervaluing others, its a simple reading of the tea leaves in Oilerville and The Big Smoke. I’m perfectly aware of Russell’s flaws, I’m also aware that “old hockey boys” (of which Mike Babcock is certainly one) highly value the intangibles that Kris Russell brings to a team.

    2) Kadri has his warts and sitting for games in the playoffs because you can’t control yourself is kryptonite. Doing it in back to back years is a totally different beast. I don’t doubt for a second that Kyle Dubas doesn’t value Kadri, of course he does. But Babcock also has a say and losing a forward repeatedly during playoff runs and who had a down year offensively maybe isn’t as painful as it looks when you take a look at Toronto’s backend situation.

    3) Kadri’s offense is sort of elusive. In all of 15 seconds of looking at NHL.com its easy to see that a lot of his offense the last three seasons is PP based, especially for goals, which is great but with all the other L shot forwards on the Oilers there is a logjam for those precious minutes. If you pull out the PP points you’re looking at a 15-20ish goal scorer and 40-45 point player. Not bad not great definitely in the realm of Nuge.

    4) Toronto needs one thing more than others right now, NHL defensemen. Marleau was moved at a tremendous cost to open the space to sign their 3 pending RFA forwards, there is very little money left to sign NHL defensemen. Kadri for Russell solves that problem at a lower cap hit (freeing up $500,000 to sigh one of those forwards) and deals from strength for both teams. Moreover, they don’t need NHL defensemen for a single year, they need them for the foreseeable future. Two years of Russell provides stability. Russell can play 20ish minutes a game (if you bump that down a minute or two he’s probably even more effective). That has tremendous value to the Leafs who were running Ron Hainsey (5 1/2 years older) at the same clip in the same role. Babcock loves his veterans after all.

    5) All of this is predicated on the Leafs valuing Marner in the upper stratosphere. If Dubas has ice in his veins, he can let Marner take an offer sheet, recoup all of his picks and have the cap space to sign NHL defensemen. The risk of breaking up the Band in such a way is immense however, Leaf fans have been waiting longer than Oiler fans for a return to glory (by about 3 decades) and losing a favorite son to an offer sheet will be a tough pill to swallow.

    6) I don’t doubt for a second that Dubas counters Russell-Kadri with Larsson – Kadri in which case Holland wishes him well and hangs up the phone. If a deal can’t be made it can’t be made and Holland doesn’t have to deal with TO. But Toronto is in a cap pickle with serious roster problems and running out of time.

  16. who says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If you could get Donskoi for $1M cheaper than Connolly, I’d do that. Perfect world you could get both. I do wonder if it makes sense to sign a $4M UFA winger when you’ve got $27M tied up in your top 3 Fs, Nurse due for a substantial raise next summer.

    Ottawa’s still gotta reach the cap floor, I wonder if there’s a deal there for Gagner (wife works in Ontario I believe). Team could use the vet, skill, and cap hit.

    The more I think about signing UFAs the more I wonder if we should sign any.
    But if the choice is Donskoi at 3×2.5 or Connelly at 3×3.5 I would take Connelly. I think he’s bigger, skates better, and has more upside. I would sign the best guy I could afford and fill in the rest of the roster with 1 million max contracts. Giving mediocre forwards 2.5 million with term is what gets teams into cap trouble.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Only way they do Kadri Russell is
    Russell(50% retained + 1st or equivalent prospect)for Kadri

  18. Dustylegnd says:

    who: The more I think about signing UFAs the more I wonder if we should sign any.
    But if the choice is Donskoi at 3×2.5 or Connelly at 3×3.5 I would take Connelly. I think he’s bigger, skates better,and has more upside. I would sign the best guy I could afford and fill in the rest of the roster with 1 million max contracts. Giving mediocre forwards 2.5 million with term is what gets teams into cap trouble.

    Why would a 27 year old UFA with a Stanley cup sign a 3 year deal????

  19. PennersPancakes says:

    Given Katz pocket goes pretty deep I really see no downside to signing a bunch of Euro FAs. Best case scenario they can bring speed and some level of offense to the bottom six, or maybe even play an accessory role in the top six (Kahun). Even pedestrian numbers would be better than what the Oilers got out of their depth last year.

    The Oilers bottom six rotation was miserable last season: Brodziak, Cave, Lucic, Spooner, Malone, Gambardella, Currie, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Rieder, Rattie combined for 92 points last season. Its not like all these guys were sacrificing offense for good defensive play either.

    Worst case scenario they can be buried in the AHL and take a spot on the 50 man limit. I think the AHL can bury ~1.1 mill this season?

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    I sure hope a Russell disposition isn’t a distant bell – I mean, that is the one player that we can reasonably dispose of for some cap space. No return expected (but for cap space but, from accounts, there is interest out there and he does have some value. Maybe not an entire $4M of cap space but at least $3M. His trade protection could be an issue if he wants to dig in.

    I don’t see any other reasonable disposition for material cap space and, without one disposition, I don’t even think a Connolly could be signed (subject to goalie price).

    I also think the projections on Connolly are low and the organization won’t be able to sign him for less than $4M or 4 years – both of which I don’t like.

  21. ArmchairGM says:

    “Brett Connolly is available but might take up most of the cap room available.”

    I sure hope not. With Khaira signed and Brodziak and Manning sent to the minors, we have $9.5M in cap space to sign 6 players: 5 forwards + a back up goalie. If Benson makes the team that number changes to $8.7M for 5 players. How much do you think it’ll take to get Connolly under contract?

  22. Darth Tu says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Oilers sign Glenn Danzig. Tell your children.

    Tell them not to walk your way? Not to hear your words?

    MOTHEEEEEEEEEER!!

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Will be real interesting to see the Connolly contract. He’s getting a lot of buzz in Edmonton. Read a blog from another team, can’t remember the team now, pumping him up as an inexpensive option. I’ve gotta feeling a bunch of teams are looking at Connolly as a cheap option. In the end, I suspect he won’t be so cheap. I predict he gets $4.75 mill over 5.

  24. jp says:

    tsunami:
    Haas’ skating is extremely good… probably the best of any Swiss player… not totally convinced about this defensive game, but maybe they’re thinking about putting him on wing ?

    He is a right shot. And there’s a very glaring lack of RW on the Oilers depth chart currently.

    You know the player though? Curious why you doubt his defensive game. I’m just reading the scouting report and between the lines that he’s likely a 2-way contributor based on 2 All-star selections despite finishing outside the leagues top 10 scorers.

  25. Darth Tu says:

    “Once viewed as a failed draft pick (he was No. 6 overall to Tampa Bay in 2010) Connolly has emerged as a reliable scoring winger who is just now reaching his peak value.”

    If only Jesse could calm his tits, get working in camp, and give the new GM/Coach a try instead of bailing to Europe.

  26. stevebergeron97 says:

    How difficult would it be to convince a team needing to reach the cap floor (Ottawa) to take on Russel contract, that would allow us to sign one or both of Connolly and Donskoi.

  27. Coiler says:

    What is the impetus to trade for a guy like Kadri at such high costs? So many of you have already noted that the Leafs are over a barrel right now cap wise. There are loads of players out there who will be looking to get contracts and opportunities for contracts so what’s the rush?

    It’s not just the Leafs that are in cap hell. Pittsburgh, Tampa, San Jose…

    Holland should show some patience when it comes to these scenarios as I believe there will be plenty of guys who will want to prove their worth.

    IMO, I wouldn’t trade Larsson unless the return was sizable. And Kadri doesn’t fit that bill.

  28. Glovjuice says:

    Is Connelly a better skater than Ratti?

  29. Coiler says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Will be real interesting to see the Connolly contract. He’s getting a lot of buzz in Edmonton. Read a blog from another team, can’t remember the team now, pumping him up as an inexpensive option.I’ve gotta feeling a bunch of teams are looking at Connolly as a cheap option. In the end, I suspect he won’t be so cheap. I predict he gets $4.75 mill over 5.

    No kidding eh? If Kevin Hayes can get 7 million a season…it makes you wonder what a guy like Connelly will ask for.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t think its reasonable to project Nygard anywhere above a fourth line role. If he can help create a fast and aggressive forechecking fourth line that wins some possession battles and saws off on goals – that would be a huge plus – perhaps Nygard/Khaira/Joe G.

  31. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I think that everything needs to wait until the goaltending gets shored up first. It doesn’t matter what other moves are made, they are going nowhere unless they have a reliable tandem in nets, which means bringing someone better than Kosky. If they add wingers and then can’t afford a goalie, we’re screwed again.

    A few decent additions on the cheap at forward might be good enough for this year, provided they don’t keep sending Lucic over the boards for anything more than sheltered minutes. They just need someone to play with Nuge and I think they should be able to cobble a decent third line together from what they have in-house.

    Old Dutch won’t be able to fix every problem this summer. I just want them to be improved over last year. Riding Koskinen so much down the stretch and having everyone and their dog score gloveside on him probably made the final place in the standings look worse than the team deserved. Just pay a solid goalie for 2 yrs and then tweak the forwards. Next summer is the time to go at this with the sledge hammer and blowtorch.

  32. Jordan says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Brett Connolly is available but might take up most of the cap room available.”

    I sure hope not. With Khaira signed and Brodziak and Manning sent to the minors, we have $9.5M in cap space to sign 6 players: 5 forwards + a back up goalie. If Benson makes the team that number changes to $8.7M for 5 players. How much do you think it’ll take to get Connolly under contract?

    I think the money is even tighter than people realize. If the Oilers are pushing hard for Mrazek, the guy made 4,150,000 last year.

    Even if you get the guy for 1 year at a discount, you have to think he’s signing for a least 4M bones.

    That leaves 4.7M for 4 players, and no money for Connolly.

    If the Oilers are committed to the best journeyman they can, I see no way that the Oilers are bringing in ANY NHL proven middle 6 forward – let alone a top 6 option.

    I’m not entirely against this option, as I do think some of the prospects are ready for bigger roles, and if the choice is buyout other guys or no new UFAs, I’d take no new UFAs to set up a trade deadline acquisition or a better summer next year.

    I’m good with paying cheap Euro burners to see what they can do. Better chance for a value contract.

  33. who says:

    Dustylegnd: Why would a 27 year old UFA with a Stanley cup sign a 3 year deal????

    Put whatever term you want on it.
    I was responding to a post suggesting we sign Donskoi if he was 1 million cheaper. If those are the 2 options I choose Connelly.
    The best option is probably to not sign any of them. Save the cap space for a real opportunity next year.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Wow the Kadri – Russell talk sure got the blood up a bit yesterday, fascinating stuff and a couple quick points of thought.

    1) The proposal isn’t about overvaluing Oiler assets while undervaluing others, its a simple reading of the tea leaves in Oilerville and The Big Smoke. I’m perfectly aware of Russell’s flaws, I’m also aware that “old hockey boys” (of which Mike Babcock is certainly one) highly value the intangibles that Kris Russell brings to a team.

    2) Kadri has his warts and sitting for games in the playoffs because you can’t control yourself is kryptonite. Doing it in back to back years is a totally different beast. I don’t doubt for a second that Kyle Dubas doesn’t value Kadri, of course he does. But Babcock also has a say and losing a forward repeatedly during playoff runs and who had a down year offensively maybe isn’t as painful as it looks when you take a look at Toronto’s backend situation.

    3) Kadri’s offense is sort of elusive. In all of 15 seconds of looking at NHL.com its easy to see that a lot of his offense the last three seasons is PP based, especially for goals, which is great but with all the other L shot forwards on the Oilers there is a logjam for those precious minutes. If you pull out the PP points you’re looking at a 15-20ish goal scorer and 40-45 point player. Not bad not great definitely in the realm of Nuge.

    4) Toronto needs one thing more than others right now, NHL defensemen. Marleau was moved at a tremendous cost to open the space to sign their 3 pending RFA forwards, there is very little money left to sign NHL defensemen. Kadri for Russell solves that problem at a lower cap hit (freeing up $500,000 to sigh one of those forwards) and deals from strength for both teams. Moreover, they don’t need NHL defensemen for a single year, they need them for the foreseeable future. Two years of Russell provides stability. Russell can play 20ish minutes a game (if you bump that down a minute or two he’s probably even more effective). That has tremendous value to the Leafs who were running Ron Hainsey (5 1/2 years older) at the same clip in the same role. Babcock loves his veterans after all.

    5) All of this is predicated on the Leafs valuing Marner in the upper stratosphere. If Dubas has ice in his veins, he can let Marner take an offer sheet, recoup all of his picks and have the cap space to sign NHL defensemen. The risk of breaking up the Band in such a way is immense however, Leaf fans have been waiting longer than Oiler fans for a return to glory (by about 3 decades) and losing a favorite son to an offer sheet will be a tough pill to swallow.

    6) I don’t doubt for a second that Dubas counters Russell-Kadri with Larsson – Kadri in which case Holland wishes him well and hangs up the phone. If a deal can’t be made it can’t be made and Holland doesn’t have to deal with TO. But Toronto is in a cap pickle with serious roster problems and running out of time.

    You never know what can happen, but I would rate a Russell-Kadri trade as being about a 1% chance. Sure, the Leafs need dmen, but lots of teams need C too. There will be plenty of dance partners. Why take Russell when you can trade for Brodie, who is apparently being shopped? I actually find it very unlikely the Leafs trade Kadri at all. He has a great contract and he’s one of the few players on their team who plays with an edge.

  35. SkatinginSand says:

    Spector is at it gain. His ideas for the Oil to move forward include buying out Sekera, trading Larsson for Kadri and signing Mike Smith. I think that it is a given that most people here would have done a better job at GM than Pistol Pete, but in the never ending search for someone who have been demonstratively worse, we have a clear winner.

  36. Professor Q says:

    What’s the latest news on Mrazek? Carolina has been trying like heck but maybe Holland ends up winning that battle.

  37. McSorley33 says:

    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking at the roster:

    – Obviously JP won’t be there – likely replaced by a signing – be it a Connolly, Pirri, Donskoi

    – Although I won’t count on moving Lucic at all, hopefully we can have him replaced by Brandon Sutter if the other piece isn’t too material – that will kick Colby Cave down to the AHL

    – I presume Manning is off the roster – that cap savings essentially replaced dollar for dollar by Persson

    – The one sensible disposition is Russell and, if that can happen, let save $3.5M is saved (retained) and he’s replaced by Jones for a cap savings of apx $2.75M (without looking at Jones’ NHL salary)

  39. jp says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Brett Connolly is available but might take up most of the cap room available.”

    I sure hope not. With Khaira signed and Brodziak and Manning sent to the minors, we have $9.5M in cap space to sign 6 players: 5 forwards + a back up goalie. If Benson makes the team that number changes to $8.7M for 5 players. How much do you think it’ll take to get Connolly under contract?

    It’s close to possible, but yeah something’s gotta give.

    Forwards 11-14 at ~800k each = 3.2M
    Goalie = 3M
    Connolly or other UFA = 2.5M

    Maybe they go cheaper on the goalie? Sending Benning away (and still burying Manning) for a pick saves 1M. A Gagner buyout (not condoning it) clears up 2M for now. It wouldn’t be difficult to make enough room for Connolly with some small moves.

    Some teams with cap space are going to get some decent players for cheap this summer though. Too damn bad the Oilers aren’t in a position to take advantage.

  40. McNuge93 says:

    I think signing one FA winger and of course a goalie is the way to go. Then keep your powder dry for a couple of weeks. There may be opportunity this year for some cheap bottom sixers or PTO types given the cap constraints of many teams.

    And further to the Broberg discussion its good to hear that AHL is an option. But most of all I hope (and think it will happen) that Holland, Broberg and family and his agent have friendly open discussions with no strong arming or enticements to come to the best solution.

    As Swedish Poster is suggesting that may mean this year in Sweden. We should have a good template for how to develop a high end D in the AHL with Bouchard this year (hopefully anyway) that may help with the D+2 decision for Broberg.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    I have at least one and potentially both of Jones and Persson in the NHL (replacing Manning and, hopefully, Russell) and I see the AHL pairings as follows to start:

    Lagesson/Bear
    Lowe/Bouchard
    Samorukov/Day

  42. Munny says:

    LT said…

    Edmonton has the cap room to get a goalie and one, two wingers. I think a buyout is possible

    The only buyout candidate that can move the needle is Sekera. Koskinen too I suppose but then all the savings will go to another goalie, so makes no sense.

    As I said earlier this week, life would be a lot easier if they can engineer a Russell trade before July 1, but their best chance of moving the asset is after teams fail in UFA Frenzy to solve their defense issues.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

    LW looks even worse when you don’t count Drai. Geez, our forward depth is so frickin awful. At some point, we will need to trade for a legit winger. We’re not solving this problem with free agents. For the record, I don’t want to trade Larsson. He’s the only RHD on the team capable of playing in the top four.

  44. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    After seeing what TO gave up to get rid of 1 yr of Marleau, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Lucic will be on the roster on opening night.

  45. Munny says:

    Professor Q:
    What’s the latest news on Mrazek? Carolina has been trying like heck but maybe Holland ends up winning that battle.

    I suspect they cleared cap yesterday to take a run at Bobo. Just my suspicion, haven’t heard anything.

  46. jp says:

    Jordan: I think the money is even tighter than people realize.If the Oilers are pushing hard for Mrazek, the guy made 4,150,000 last year.

    Even if you get the guy for 1 year at a discount, you have to think he’s signing for a least 4M bones.

    Mrazek? He played last year on a 1 X $1.5M deal.

    He had a 2 X $4M deal before that but played himself out of the starting gig.

    I agree he won’t be cheap, but if Holland gives him a few years I wouldn’t be surprised if the AAV is below $4M. No idea what Carolina is offering though.

  47. Rube Foster says:

    The monies too tight to mention.

    Holland is shopping in the bargain basement and we’re going to have to wait till $1.49 day.

    Connolly will be a day 1 of free agency signing and I beleive that some team that is good at math gives him more than Cain’s projected number. I agree with LT, Connolly is the ideal available piece, but we’re not going to be able to afford him.

    Out of necessity, Jools Holland is going to have be patient and wait for the less famous free agents to wither a bit on the free agent vine. I’m hoping for players like Oscar Linberg and Ultra Magnus Paajarvi, who I believe will be available for less than Cain’s projected numbers.

    If the Oilers want to be proactive, they can trade a pick or prospect to Washington for Burakowsky and then sign him to his Qualifying Offer of $3.2M.

    Reports out of Washington have the Caps not qualifying Burakowsky, could we get him for a 2nd round pick?

  48. LadiesloveSmid says:

    who: The more I think about signing UFAs the more I wonder if we should sign any.
    But if the choice is Donskoi at 3×2.5 or Connelly at 3×3.5 I would take Connelly. I think he’s bigger, skates better,and has more upside. I would sign the best guy I could afford and fill in the rest of the roster with 1 million max contracts. Giving mediocre forwards 2.5 million with term is what gets teams into cap trouble.

    Donskoi’s got some wheels, I’d warrant he’s the better skater of the two. I don’t know that we’ll see either tap into some new potential at 27. JD’s possession metrics are more impressive than BC’s as well. I might prefer him straight up.

  49. Glovjuice says:

    What is the Koskinen buyout structure? Seriously.

  50. Dustylegnd says:

    McSorley33:
    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

    Good lord we better play lock down defence

  51. defmn says:

    From the Seravelli article Lowetide referenced above on the goalie market this summer. Nice to know Chiarelli is getting league wide attention. 😉

    —————————————————————
    Below Bobrovsky on the pay scale, teams say the dollars have been difficult to estimate since Mikko Koskinen signed a three-year, $13.5 million extension in January. Multiple teams have cursed that specific contract as one that has made their chase more expensive than anticipated.

  52. ArmchairGM says:

    Dustylegnd: Why would a 27 year old UFA with a Stanley cup sign a 3 year deal????

    Evolving Hockey has 3 years as the most likely scenario for both Connolly (x $3.5M) and Donskoi (x $2.8M).

  53. Munny says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Will be real interesting to see the Connolly contract. He’s getting a lot of buzz in Edmonton. Read a blog from another team, can’t remember the team now, pumping him up as an inexpensive option.I’ve gotta feeling a bunch of teams are looking at Connolly as a cheap option. In the end, I suspect he won’t be so cheap. I predict he gets $4.75 mill over 5.

    I agree. You don’t want your UFA targets to be the same as everyone else’s.

    That said, I don’t know if any of the other interested teams can offer the centres tat the Oilers are offering.

    Pitch the same way as Reider: “We can’t offer you a payday… but we can offer you a leg-up to a better payday. Sign a one year deal and play with McDavid.”

    But of course if someone wants to pay him now with term, we’re hooped. But we can’t compete with that action anyhoo.

  54. Cassandra says:

    Coiler: No kidding eh? If Kevin Hayes can get 7 million a season…it makes you wonder what a guy like Connelly will ask for.

    Free agency isn’t a rational market. There is a finite amount of cap space and once it is gone it is gone. In this game of musical chairs the first movers amongst the players (Hayes and Karlsson) are going to paid significantly more than the remaining ones. Some of the free agents are going to get paid, but others are going to have to accept what is left over. It happens every year, but this year the gap is going to be as big as it has ever been.

  55. jp says:

    Munny:
    LT said…

    Edmonton has the cap room to get a goalie and one, two wingers. I think a buyout is possible

    The only buyout candidate that can move the needle is Sekera.Koskinen too I suppose but then all the savings will go to another goalie, so makes no sense.

    As I said earlier this week, life would be a lot easier if they can engineer a Russell trade before July 1, but their best chance of moving the asset is after teams fail in UFA Frenzy to solve their defense issues.

    Just a Gagner buyout gets them up to about $7.5M to spend on a goalie and 2 wingers (however that would be allocated among the 3). That’s assuming the other forwards who fill the roster (slots 11-14) cost ~800k each (Benson, Marody, Gambardella, Haas, Currie, Yamamoto, Russell, Malone, etc etc).

    1M added to next years cap, but not that painful really.

  56. Dustylegnd says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    After seeing what TO gave up to get rid of 1 yr of Marleau, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Lucic will be on the roster on opening night.

    and the year after that and the year after that and the year after that….he is toxic waste with a similar half life to Uranium……

    Holland is under that bus and based on the price for Marleau…it is not even reasonable to believe he can be passed off for any price

  57. Munny says:

    Rube Foster,

    I think MPS is a definite possibility.

    Holland has been trying to improve the foot speed and the bottom 6. That signing would go a long way to doing both for cheap.

  58. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I sure hope a Russell disposition isn’t a distant bell – I mean, that is the one player that we can reasonably dispose of for some cap space.No return expected (but for cap space but, from accounts, there is interest out there and he does have some value. Maybe not an entire $4M of cap space but at least $3M. His trade protection could be an issue if he wants to dig in.

    I don’t see any other reasonable disposition for material cap space and, without one disposition, I don’t even think a Connolly could be signed (subject to goalie price).

    I also think the projections on Connolly are low and the organization won’t be able to sign him for less than $4M or 4 years – both of which I don’t like.

    I would have no problem signing Connolly to a $4M x 4 deal. He’s a very, very good shooter – 18.12 shooting % over the past 3 years – and Edmonton needs that. He’s solid in other areas of the game too, he isn’t strictly a sniper.

  59. Dustylegnd says:

    ArmchairGM: Evolving Hockey has 3 years as the most likely scenario for both Connolly (x $3.5M) and Donskoi (x $2.8M).

    I will take the over…evloving hockey exists in a rational vaccum

  60. YKOil says:

    The basics of the trade are like so:

    Zaitsev (with $2m retained salary per year)

    FOR

    Russell (with $2m retained salary per year)

    What is needed to balance this trade?

    Say it ends up being (using the salary retention numbers above):

    Zaitsev and Brown FOR Russell and the 2020 2nd and 2021 5th

    Thoughts?

  61. Cassandra says:

    leadfarmer:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Only way they do Kadri Russell is
    Russell(50% retained + 1st or equivalent prospect)for Kadri

    The price for Kadri is way higher than that.

    Trading Kadri for Russell makes their team much worse. They just traded a first round pick to get rid of one year of Marleau so they could win this year.

    Given that there is no scenario where the Leafs would trade away Kadri for Russell.

    But from a value perspective you have to think about it this way.

    Russell’s contract has negative value. This means you have to give the team a pick, probably at least a 2nd rd pick just to take the contract.

    Then you have to add to that the signfiicant value that Kadri’s contract has.

    Kadri for Russell + 1st rd pick + 2nd rd pick and the Leafs still say no.

    Kadri’s contract is bettter than RNH’s contract. There is no way around that conclusion.

    If you want to trade Russell to Toronto you are taking back Zaitsev.

  62. Munny says:

    jp,

    I thought about Gagner, not sure why I didn’t include him, so thanks for bringing him up. I guess I kind of have him in the Koskinen boat… why buy out at the position that you’re trying to sign? Would be tough to replace those hands for cheap.

    But you’re correct, we can’t discount the possibility.

    He’s another guy like Russell where trade opportunities might open up if teams Fail in the Frenzy.

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu:
    “Once viewed as a failed draft pick (he was No. 6 overall to Tampa Bay in 2010) Connolly has emerged as a reliable scoring winger who is just now reaching his peak value.”

    If only Jesse could calm his tits, get working in camp, and give the new GM/Coach a try instead of bailing to Europe.

    Yup. We actually have some experience rehabilitating failed draft picks, although not as much experience as we have ruining said picks. Kassian comes to mind (13th overall), and we plucked Gagner (6th overall) from the minors just last year. I’d give Burakovsky a shot too.

  64. Ryan says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Russell is a left-hand shot and Toronto is desperate for a RHS dman.

    Babcock knows the difference.

    https://www.thescore.com/wcoh/news/1094190

  65. jake70 says:

    Munny:
    Rube Foster,

    I think MPS is a definite possibility.

    Holland has been trying to improve the foot speed and the bottom 6.That signing would go a long way to doing both for cheap.

    I found myself watching the Sens games down the final stretch of season….NHL says they are my regional market team…whatever….anyway, it may have only been a game or two but MPS scored a few goals and I recall thinking…geez, that’s the player we thought we were getting years ago. Shooting with authority, going to the net with purpose. I just wonder if he might be some sort of late bloomer and worth a look.

  66. Ryan says:

    McSorley33:
    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

    Even better when the odds of JP playing for the Oilers this year look slim to none.

  67. Ivan says:

    Jethro Tull,

    OK, ya got me cold. Well done.

  68. Numenius says:

    Glovjuice:
    What is the Koskinen buyout structure? Seriously.

    2019-20 $744,444
    2020-21 $2,644,444
    2021-22 $1,444,444
    2022-23 $1,444,444
    2023-24 $1,444,444
    2024-25 $1,444,444

    1st year is good, 2nd year is rough, otherwise not bad.

  69. McSorley33 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    LW looks even worse when you don’t count Drai. Geez, our forward depth is so frickin awful. At some point, we will need to trade for a legit winger. We’re not solving this problem with free agents. For the record, I don’t want to trade Larsson. He’s the only RHD on the team capable of playing in the top four.
    *******************************************************************************************************************
    Completely agree.

    UFA wingers will not help us. And the prices and the term will shock.most.

    We need long term, real, wingers grown from within….

    Next year , is looking to be another tough year Edmonton.

  70. Cassandra says:

    YKOil:
    The basics of the trade are like so:

    Zaitsev (with $2m retained salary per year)

    FOR

    Russell (with $2m retained salary per year)

    What is needed to balance this trade?

    Say it ends up being (using the salary retention numbers above):

    Zaitsev and Brown FOR Russell and the 2020 2nd and 2021 5th

    Thoughts?

    Amazing. I hadn’t seen this when I posted above.

    No way Toronto does it with salary retained. The only thing they get out of it is future contract flexibility.

    Zaitsev + Brown for Russell + prospect filler + 2nd rd pick is getting closer to reasonable but I still say there is no way Toronto does it because Russell doesn’t help them.

    Of course, Russell isn’t going to waive his NTC to go to Toronto

  71. Ryan says:

    Cassandra,

    I wonder if the Leafs and Canes do more business.

    They’re like chocolate and peanut butter.

    The Canes have a surplus of cap and right shot dmen, both the Leafs greatest needs.

    Dubas should be calling Waddell ATC.

    The Leafs would like to pry Faulk from the Canes while possibly improving their cap situation further.

  72. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    I thought about Gagner, not sure why I didn’t include him, so thanks for bringing him up. I guess I kind of have him in the Koskinen boat… why buy out at the position that you’re trying to sign?Would be tough to replace those hands for cheap.

    But you’re correct, we can’t discount the possibility.

    He’s another guy like Russell where trade opportunities might open up if teams Fail in the Frenzy.

    Yes, agreed. Just that the Gagner buyout isn’t that painful if they were to pursue it. And it would free up a couple million if they want to add another FA.

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    Connolly’s scouting report from his draft year:

    Connolly is a pure offensive talent who can make plays at a high rate of speed. He can score goals as well as set them up. Connolly will have to adjust to the tighter checking, physical nature at the level of the pro game but he is an elite talent capable of dominating games. Connolly’s hip injury was a big source of concern heading into the 2010 draft but a preliminary report indicated that he is recovering and was impressive during the summer prospect camp with the Lightning. He has added size to his frame since his early junior days and is much stronger on the puck in tight areas.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/brett_connolly/

    Two word – hip injury.

    No one denies Connolly’s high end talent. In actual fact, if not for his serious hip injury that required surgery and caused him to miss nearly the entire season, few doubt that he’d be giving Hall and Seguin a run for the prospect available.

    When Brett is healthy, he’s an intensely competitive goal scoring force with good size and very good skating ability.

    His recent performance in the scouting combine helped reinforce he is now perfectly healthy. He is sure to undergo more medical scrutiny in the near future by NHL teams physicians to further cement his healthy claim. Even so, GMs and scouts may still have concerns going forward as Connolly embarks on his NHL career and his hip will hold up for the long haul.

    While I had him going 7th overall in my Playoff Edition Mock Draft, Connolly could easily land in the top 5 should a team consider his outstanding potential and give him a clear bill of health. By the same token, he could also slip outside the top 10 if there are medical concerns.

    Strengths:
    Blistering, accurate shot.
    Excellent puck-handling skills even at high speeds.
    Dangerous and opportunistic offensive scorer and playmaker.
    Great on-ice vision and hockey sense.
    High level hockey intelligence

    Flaws/Aspects He Needs To Work On:
    Like many players at this level, Connolly simply needs to fill out physically and work on his defensive play, which is actually underrated.
    He will need to continue to work on his fitness, working diligently and concentrating on injury prevention.

    Fantasy Hockey Potential: Offensive = 9.5/10 Defensive = 8/10

    NHL Player(s) Comparison:

    – At his best: A hydrid of: Tomas Vanek, Peter Forsberg, Patrick Marleau

    https://thehockeywriters.com/the-hockey-spy%E2%80%99s-2010-nhl-entry-draft-preview-%E2%80%93-brett-connolly/

    “If he’s healthy he is as good as anybody in this draft.”
    – A scout, quoted in The Hockey News Draft Preview 2010

    “Brett Connolly is a goal scoring phenom who took the Western League by storm last season (2008-09). Connolly is heading into this campaign as potentially the best natural goal-scorer in the WHL and his draft class, so scouts are left to wonder what type of numbers he would put up if he played with some quality NHL prospects that Prince George severely lack.”

    – Mark Seidel (THN)

    “He puts the puck in the net, he’s got good size, great on-ice awareness. He’s not a crasher or a banger, but he finishes his checks. He does everything well.”
    – Peter Sullivan, NHL Central Scouting

  74. Andy Dufresne says:

    Connolly’s scored an avg of 27.6 NHL pts per season over the last 5 years

    That 14.6 goals and 13 assists per season for the last 5 seasons.

    Last season was almost double his average of he last 5 years. Why isnt that considered an anomoly / heater?

    If he regresses at all back to his historical norm he’s at best a 15g 15 ast player?

    How is that worth more than $3million ?? At 27, How is he worth more than a 3 yr term?

    I get its free agency and I get that he and his agent want to hit a home run on his next/last contract, but there has to be some kind of limit on the risk the Oilers are willing to assume. No?

    Alex Chaisson who is two years older scored at an VERY similar rate 25.8pts 12.5g 13.3 asts per year over the last 6 seasons.

    Now we will say that Chaisson went on a heater (which is not accurate) and doubled his historical goal totals last year BUT SO DID CONNOLLY. Connolly averages about 14.5 goals per year Chaisson about 12.5 (Chaisson scores more assists); They BOTH scored 22 goals last season. Historical highs for BOTH, Both on heaters?

    Now I know the UFA Price Charts show Chaisson up in the $3.3m x 3 yrs? Range.

    But dont we all think / assume that that is high and that we’ll get Chaisson for 2x $2.5m or less?

    Why would we pay Connolly $4.5 x 3 ??

    Why do we undervalue a guy who already is a fit on our roster and in our room, over a more expensive guy who “might be a fit” ?

    Lets face it, both guys are placeholders until some contracts come off the books or buyouts occur etc. Why lock in on Connolly at 3+yrs when you could just ride it out with Chaisson for one or two more years at maybe half the cost and then sign an Ehlers type next year.

    Now if you can get Connolly under $4m and for less than 3 years then great but otherwise we may just be compounding our problems. There are no garauntees with this player. His historical averages are just not that strong and there is a 50/50 chance that he will become a diminishing asset within 2 years

    Sign Chaisson to $2.2 x 2 ( Chaisson knows where his bread is buttered and loves it here) and either buyout a contract and trade for an Ehlers type or trade Lucic for James Neal or Shop in the bargin bin of UFAs in late July.

    (I will assume Connolly scores more even strength goals?)

    Not saying dont sign Connolly. Just have some pre determined limits on how much and how long. 3 x $4m+ years would be a the outer limit IMO. And I think he and his agent will be looking for that or more. Anything more, especially on term, would be a mistake IMO. Mainly in so much as it limits our ability to sign a legitmate top scorer next season.

  75. John Chambers says:

    Cassandra: Free agency isn’t a rational market.There is a finite amount of cap space and once it is gone it is gone.In this game of musical chairs the first movers amongst the players (Hayes and Karlsson) are going to paid significantly more than the remaining ones.Some of the free agents are going to get paid, but others are going to have to accept what is left over.It happens every year, but this year the gap is going to be as big as it has ever been.

    You could robo-Manage an NHL roster by applying basic principles:
    1) never signing free agents until at least July 4th, and then sign the best remaining players to contracts near or under their market value, provided they cost under $4M each, and for 3 years or less.
    2) drafting based on consensus scouting and math
    3) leveraging your perennially-available cap space to acquire additional draft picks or players to bail out teams in cap hell (eg Carolina and Marleau, Carolina and Teravainen).
    4) have two goalies in the league top-40, while paying the tandem 10% or less of the team cap.

    If a team followed those basic principles for a decade they would out-manage a significant portion of the league.

  76. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Will be real interesting to see the Connolly contract. He’s getting a lot of buzz in Edmonton. Read a blog from another team, can’t remember the team now, pumping him up as an inexpensive option.I’ve gotta feeling a bunch of teams are looking at Connolly as a cheap option. In the end, I suspect he won’t be so cheap. I predict he gets $4.75 mill over 5.

    That’s about right on a 5-year deal.

  77. Ribs says:

    I wonder if Holland is regretting his decision to take on this mess yet.

    This team needs some of it’s youngsters to take some giant steps. And quick.

    Holland had a similar situation in Detroit and even his fabled farm system could not keep pace with his team’s needs.

    Once again, we are stuck with hope.

  78. Cassandra says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    You are using the wrong measurements. If you control for opportunity and even strength playing time over the past three years you see that Connolly and Chiasson aren’t in the same stratosphere of player.

    Chiasson is worth somewhere in the low 1 M.

  79. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I worry about replacement-level players who have heater years in contract years.

    Flatter to deceive

    I’m interested in Connolly in that he only costs money and we need actual NHL wingers, but it’s dangerous.

  80. Cassandra says:

    Ryan:
    Cassandra,

    I wonder if the Leafs and Canes do more business.

    They’re like chocolate and peanut butter.

    The Canes have a surplus of cap and right shot dmen, both the Leafs greatest needs.

    Dubas should be calling Waddell ATC.

    The Leafs would like to pry Faulk from the Canes while possibly improving their cap situation further.

    The problem with a Canes deal is that the Leafs (rightly) don’t want Justin Faulk. They want Pesce or Hamilton (again rightly) but the Canes don’t want to trade them.

    Trades happen when teams value players differently. It looks to me like the Canes and the Leafs are both smart teams that value things correctly. Sometimes that works out when they want different things (Marleau) but it doesn’t in a like for like situation.

  81. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Looking at the roster:

    – Obviously JP won’t be there – likely replaced by a signing – be it a Connolly, Pirri, Donskoi

    – Although I won’t count on moving Lucic at all, hopefully we can have him replaced by Brandon Sutter if the other piece isn’t too material – that will kick Colby Cave down to the AHL

    – I presume Manning is off the roster – that cap savings essentially replaced dollar for dollar by Persson

    – The one sensible disposition is Russell and, if that can happen, let save $3.5M is saved (retained) and he’s replaced by Jones for a cap savings of apx $2.75M (without looking at Jones’ NHL salary)

    I think Lucic is here for at least 2 more years. That contract is untradeable. Look at the cost to trade Marleau who is still a decent player with only 1 year left on his contract.
    If I could trade Russell, with 500,000 retained, for a 3rd round pick I would make the deal. But that 10 team trade list makes this a longshot. Both Sekera and Russell will be much easier to trade next summer. Only one year left on their deals, bigger team trade list for Russell, and hopefully Sekera is once again a proven top 4 option.
    Benning continues to be the obvious choice. Won’t create much cap space, but it does open up 1 spot in the top 6 for a rookie. I don’t think that is handing a spot to anyone, considering we could have 4 or 5 guys pushing for that spot.
    The play this summer is to sit tight, let the contracts and buyouts fall off the books, and be ready to pounce, with cap space, next year. No matter what Holland does, this team is not a cup contender this year.

  82. jp says:

    jp: Just a Gagner buyout gets them up to about $7.5M to spend on a goalie and 2 wingers (however that would be allocated among the 3). That’s assuming the other forwards who fill the roster (slots 11-14) cost ~800k each (Benson, Marody, Gambardella, Haas, Currie, Yamamoto, Russell, Malone, etc etc).

    1M added to next years cap, but not that painful really.

    It’s slightly better than this actually.

    The Oilers currently have $8.3M in space with 9F, 8D and 1G on the roster.

    Burry Brodziak and Manning =10.5M. If Khaira signs for around $1.1M then you still need 5F and 1G with $9.4M to spend.

    So even with zero buyouts, if your 12-14F cost $800k each you still have 7M for 2F and a G. A Gagner buyout on top of this opens another spot for a F, but also $2.1M. If you fill THAT spot also with an $800k forward, you have ~$8.3M for the goalie and two middle 6 forwards.

    There should indeed be room for “one, two wingers” even without any buyouts. A Gagner buyout doesn’t open up enough for Connolly+Donskoi (or the like), but it’s not so far off.

  83. jtblack says:

    Jaxon,

    Of Interest is that COL made the playoffs and went 2 rounds. The other teams are in major rebuild mode.

    AVS had best draft IMO. Major Quality & Quantity.

    Makar will play all year nxt season and looks legit based on his short playoff debut. Some say Byram may stick. Laying a good foundation for the next 5 yrs +.

  84. Ryan says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Prior to last season, I surpised here that Chiasson could produce like Kassian for less than half the price.

    That being said, he’s basically immobile and his stick will go cold. Chiasson is not a guy you sign to a 3rd line contract. He’s a fourth liner.

    The second you pay Chiasson 2.2 x2 is the moment you regret it.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Schedule has been released.

    Start off with 2 at home but then 9 of the next 13 are on the road.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-announce-2019-20-schedule/c-308048002

  86. buck yoakam says:

    Wonder if Gaetan is any relation to Big E phenom Gaby Haas?….the original shmenge bros….

  87. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra,

    Russell’s contract has negative value but at 2 mil it has some value for a guy that can play either side.
    So no you probably don’t have to add a 2nd forRussell at 2 mil given what 3rd pairing D are getting on the market

  88. YKOil says:

    Ribs:
    I wonder if Holland is regretting his decision to take on this mess yet. This team needs some of it’s youngsters to take some giant steps. And quick.

    Holland had a similar situation in Detroit and even his fabled farm system could not keep pace with his team’s needs.

    Once again, we are stuck with hope.

    It may very well turn out that way. Chia:

    – sold too many ‘make-the-deal-work’ assets – Caggiula, 2019 3rd, Strome – for far too cheap;
    – basically burned down Pulju’s value; and
    – burdened the team with Cap weight, buy-outs, Manning, etc, far beyond the standard 1 big contract (which is Lucic)

    so now there is little left to make deals happen beyond draft picks and prospects.

    Could easily be another ‘patience’ year where:

    – we sign a guy, or two, like Panik and HOPE it isn’t Reider v1.2
    – we bring up prospects and HOPE they are actually productive
    – we HOPE for a relatively injury free year

    and then just burn a year off the Cap weights (Manning, Gryba, Gagner and then Pouliot, Russell, Sekera, Lucic, Koskinen) so maybe, just maybe, the 2020-2021 off-season is a little better to us (move one of Russell or Sekera, etc.).

    That said, Holland knows he needs to make room for Jones et al and so I do expect Russell or Sekera to go.

  89. Jordan says:

    jp: Mrazek? He played last year on a 1 X $1.5M deal.

    He had a 2 X $4M deal before that but played himself out of the starting gig.

    I agree he won’t be cheap, but if Holland gives him a few years I wouldn’t be surprised if the AAV is below $4M. No idea what Carolina is offering though.

    Oh, oops – was looking at 2017-18. LOL.

    I think I agree with you, but I’m also leary to sign players for more than 2 or 3 years right now – caps so tight.

    Maybe if other GMs feel the same way, there’s an opportunity to sign some good value 1M x 3-4 year deals for players who want to guarantee some NHL paycheques?

  90. Munny says:

    Paajarvi is coming off three one year deals that paid him 700k, then 800k, and most recently 900k.

    He has scored:

    2017 — 8-5-13
    2018 — 8-4-12
    2019 — 8-11-19

    And can PK.

    His fancies with OTT sucked, as they do for all OTT players, but were much better when he was with the Blues.

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I worry about replacement-level players who have heater years in contract years.

    Flatter to deceive

    I’m interested in Connolly in that he only costs money and we need actual NHL wingers, but it’s dangerous.

    This is my concern as well. And when we say he only cost money….he also costs caps space, and thats the larger part of the risk especially for a team like the Oilers.

  92. Munny says:

    Matt Hendricks moves on to Player Development for the Wild of Minnesota.

    Congrats and all the best (but not too best).

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Cassandra:
    Andy Dufresne,

    You are using the wrong measurements.If you control for opportunity and even strength playing time over the past three years you see that Connolly and Chiasson aren’t in the same stratosphere of player.

    Chiasson is worth somewhere in the low 1 M.

    I agree with your point on the measurements. And even the idea that they are not a similar calibre of player.

    Im speaking more to the “risk” of signing Connolly as a UFA.

    I wouldnt have either of them on the roster if there were better opitions availble at this time But for me Connolly’s value is getting over inflated as a UFA and the idea of giving a player of his calibre anything more than a 3 year contract is to assume too much risk at exactly the wrong time for this Oilers team. Just one mans opinion.

  94. ArmchairGM says:

    Jordan: I think the money is even tighter than people realize.If the Oilers are pushing hard for Mrazek, the guy made 4,150,000 last year.

    Even if you get the guy for 1 year at a discount, you have to think he’s signing for a least 4M bones.

    That leaves 4.7M for 4 players, and no money for Connolly.

    If the Oilers are committed to the best journeyman they can, I see no way that the Oilers are bringing in ANY NHL proven middle 6 forward – let alone a top 6 option.

    I’m not entirely against this option, as I do think some of the prospects are ready for bigger roles, and if the choice is buyout other guys or no new UFAs, I’d take no new UFAs to set up a trade deadline acquisition or a better summer next year.

    I’m good with paying cheap Euro burners to see what they can do.Better chance for a value contract.

    No way can we afford to have $8.5M tied up in goalies, one of whom is on the bench at all times. It just isn’t doable.

    And McDavid is going to be pissed if the roster is populated entirely with minor league forwards from about the #4 spot down.

  95. Munny says:

    Soderberg to ARI for a 3rd and Connauton.

    Essentially a cap dump, but a no pressure one. It’s the pressure that makes the difference, not the dumping.

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: That’s about right on a 5-year deal.

    Sign Connolly at 5 x 4.75 and we’re fuct. IMO

    #wastedmcdavidmulligan

  97. TeeVee says:

    dustrock:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I worry about replacement-level players who have heater years in contract years.

    Flatter to deceive

    I’m interested in Connolly in that he only costs money and we need actual NHL wingers, but it’s dangerous.

    The David Clarkson hairs on the back of my neck are tingling.

  98. leadfarmer says:

    Munny:
    Soderberg to ARI for a 3rd and Connaughton.

    Essentially a cap dump, but a no pressure one. It’s the pressure that makes the difference, not the dumping.

    Wonder who they are getting if they are dumping cap

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster: If the Oilers want to be proactive, they can trade a pick or prospect to Washington for Burakowsky and then sign him to his Qualifying Offer of $3.2M.

    Reports out of Washington have the Caps not qualifying Burakowsky, could we get him for a 2nd round pick?

    If he doesn’t get qualified by 17:00 et today he’s destined to become a UFA on July 1st. You don’t trade a 2nd for a pending UFA ever, and there’s no need to give him $3.25M if you missed the QO deadline.

    I suspect Burakovsky will sign a “show me” deal for less than $2M, hopefully it’s with Edmonton.

  100. jp says:

    Jordan: Oh, oops – was looking at 2017-18.LOL.

    I think I agree with you, but I’m also leary to sign players for more than 2 or 3 years right now – caps so tight.

    Maybe if other GMs feel the same way, there’s an opportunity to sign some good value 1M x 3-4 year deals for players who want to guarantee some NHL paycheques?

    Yeah. I feel like Mrazek is a solid option. If Holland believes he’s worth it I’d be fine with $3M X 4 or something (that’s probably still too low). He’s just 27 and has a decent track record. The idea would be getting something of a bargain for term.

    And yes, for sure there should be a squeeze on some players with top end salaries going up fast and cap increases lagging. There’s likely to be more players than usual getting left without seats this summer, so there’s an opportunity there for some teams, if you make the right decisions (though the risk with term but low AAV is still minimal).

  101. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Donskoi’s got some wheels, I’d warrant he’s the better skater of the two. I don’t know that we’ll see either tap into some new potential at 27. JD’s possession metrics are more impressive than BC’s as well. I might prefer him straight up.

    Which metrics? I took a cursory look and BC came up shinier.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Two things

    1. Oilers stretch limited talent better with McDavid and Draisaitl split up

    2. Koskinen’s signing looks a lot better, given the options on the market.

    The Koskinen signing doesn’t look better – the only thing that can make it look better is marked improvement in his play. Many of the options on the market are either proven better than Koskinen, more etablished than Koskinen and/or will come with a much better contract than Koskinen – some all 3.

  103. Cassandra says:

    Andy Dufresne: I agree with your point on the measurements. And even the idea that they are not a similar calibre of player.

    Im speaking more to the “risk” of signing Connolly as a UFA.

    I wouldnt have either of them on the roster if there were better opitions availble at this time But for me Connolly’s value is getting over inflated as a UFA and the idea of giving a player of his calibre anything more than a 3 year contract is to assume too much risk at exactly the wrong time for this Oilers team. Just one mans opinion.

    Then we agree. There is no reason to give Connolly four or five years at more than 4 M per when guys like Donskoi and Burakovsky are going to get less.

    Shop in the bargain bin for guys like Tyler Ennis, and then sign Connolly at a reasonable mid range contract if it is possible, and get the next guy if it is not.

    I think there are going to be huge bargains this year. In fact, there already have been. Chicago got De Haan basically for free.

  104. ArmchairGM says:

    Dustylegnd: I will take the over…evloving hockey exists in a rational vaccum

    Take a look, it’s generally been fairly accurate so far. Even on the Skinner deal…

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    Cassandra: Then we agree.There is no reason to give Connolly four or five years at more than 4 M per when guys like Donskoi and Burakovsky are going to get less.

    Shop in the bargain bin for guys like Tyler Ennis, and then sign Connolly at a reasonable mid range contract if it is possible, and get the next guy if it is not.

    I think there are going to be huge bargains this year.In fact, there already have been.Chicago got De Haan basically for free.

    Then Yes we do agree. Feels strange. No? 🙂

  106. leadfarmer says:

    leadfarmer,

    When a team with all the cap space and no secondary scoring dumps their secondary scorer you have to wonder what are you up to.
    Hope they sign Duchenne!!

  107. Munny says:

    leadfarmer: Wonder who they are getting if they are dumping cap

    Lol… Rantanen.

  108. ArmchairGM says:

    YKOil:
    The basics of the trade are like so:

    Zaitsev (with $2m retained salary per year)

    FOR

    Russell (with $2m retained salary per year)

    What is needed to balance this trade?

    Say it ends up being (using the salary retention numbers above):

    Zaitsev and Brown FOR Russell and the 2020 2nd and 2021 5th

    Thoughts?

    Why do we want Zaitsev at all?

  109. Reja says:

    McSorley33:
    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

    For a middle of the pack AHL team. I would have gone all in on drafting Forwards this year unless of course I’m trading a D-man or assets for a semi cost effective winger with speed skill and can score shouldn’t be to hard to find:

  110. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Look at Connolly’s 5v5 scoring rates over the past 3 years. That’s worth more than $3M in my books.

    Plus he would get prime PP time in Edmonton, which he didn’t in Washington.

  111. Munny says:

    leadfarmer:
    leadfarmer,

    When a team with all the cap space and no secondary scoring dumps their secondary scorer you have to wonder what are you up to.
    Hope they sign Duchenne!!

    With the space they have, they could go after Duchene and Connolly. Hell, they could go after Duchene and Panarin.

  112. leadfarmer says:

    Moral of the offseason. Russell Sekera and Lucic need to have amazing seasons for us to be able to give them away next offseason

  113. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m with Cassandra on this. The only way possible for success on the free agent market is playing the waiting game. You wait until the frenzy dies out and sign the best available guy to a cheap deal. Targeting a specific player and signing him early will almost always leads to an overpayment. The worst possible scenario is the Philadelphia example of trading assets to negotiate early with a free agent. You lose all leverage and end up paying through the nose.

  114. leadfarmer says:

    Munny: With the space they have, they could go after Duchene and Connolly.Hell, they could go after Duchene and Panarin.

    They probably are going hard after Panarin and zuccarello but could sign Duchenne Panarin and Zuccareloo and fix their scoring in one offseason

  115. Rube Foster says:

    buck yoakam:
    Wonder if Gaetan is any relation to Big E phenom Gaby Haas?….the original shmenge bros….

    … “And we’d like to thank Mrs. Frank Leuchatach for making the delicious cabbage rolls and coffee, right Stan?” “Ya, right Yosh!”

    The Caps just qualified Burakovsky.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/25/capitals-qualify-restricted-free-agent-forward-andre-burakovsky/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d248a814452

    The money quote from the article – “We like the player,” MacLellan said Thursday. “There’s been some inconsistencies there, but when he’s on his game, he’s a good player. We’d like to keep him around, but obviously his name is out there a little bit, so we do talk to some teams about him. But we’re not going to move him unless we get something we’re comfortable with back.”

    Can Connor’s old Otter teammate be nabbed out of D.C. for a 2nd round pick? Burakovsky would look pretty good in our top six.

  116. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: Sign Connolly at 5 x 4.75 and we’re fuct. IMO

    #wastedmcdavidmulligan

    I was only commenting based on Evolving Hockey projections that the stated salary is about right on a 5 year term, not that we should do it. But if that’s the price I’d have to think long and hard about it, I wouldn’t dismiss it so quickly. He has serious shooting abilities and his counting numbers have been masked by playing behind Wilson and Oshie (lower ice time) and being a right shot powerplay weapon behind the greatest ever… I think he would surprise a lot of people here in Edmonton. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 30-40 goals if he gets left circle PP duty all year.

  117. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster: … “And we’d like to thank Mrs. Frank Leuchatach for making the delicious cabbage rolls and coffee, right Stan?” “Ya, right Yosh!”

    The Caps just qualified Burakovsky.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/25/capitals-qualify-restricted-free-agent-forward-andre-burakovsky/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d248a814452

    The money quote from the article – “We like the player,” MacLellan said Thursday. “There’s been some inconsistencies there, but when he’s on his game, he’s a good player. We’d like to keep him around, but obviously his name is out there a little bit, so we do talk to some teams about him. But we’re not going to move him unless we get something we’re comfortable with back.”

    Can Connor’s old Otter teammate be nabbed out of D.C. for a 2nd round pick?Burakovsky would look pretty good in our top six.

    Or JP?

  118. jzed says:

    Anyone see the ‘market for NHL Defense is broken’? Noticed Russell has better numbers than Myers, but at least 3 million cheaper. Put Russell on his proper side , give him a decent partner that can move the puck, and watch everyone else give out terrible overpays for a change.

  119. Material Elvis says:

    Ryan:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Russell is a left-hand shot and Toronto is desperate for a RHS dman.

    Babcock knows the difference.

    https://www.thescore.com/wcoh/news/1094190

    They are so desperate that they are trying to trade one of their right handed defensemen.

  120. Material Elvis says:

    ArmchairGM: Or JP?

    You don’t think that deal would be done if it was an option at this point?

  121. GMB3 says:

    Man oh man.. I feel like the quickest way out of this hole is trading Nurse for a scoring winger. I’d rather bite the bullet for one more year, land another high pick, hope Benson and Marody can play material roles in the middle 6 on the cheap. Pray for Holtz or Raymond in the draft lottery.

    We absolutely can not afford to overpay on term this summer. We need room to wheel in the future. If we had 15 million in cap space and could afford to sign a guy like Panarin and fill out the roster? Then that would make sense.

    I’m fairly certain you can fill out the bottom six with guys on ELC’s or AHL tweeners from other teams and get better value than signing some of the aforementioned names for term.

  122. GMB3 says:

    ArmchairGM: I was only commenting based on Evolving Hockey projections that the stated salary is about right on a 5 year term, not that we should do it. But if that’s the price I’d have to think long and hard about it, I wouldn’t dismiss it so quickly. He has serious shooting abilities and his counting numbers have been masked by playing behind Wilson and Oshie (lower ice time) and beinga right shot powerplay weapon behind the greatest ever… I think he would surprise a lot of people here in Edmonton. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 30-40 goals if he gets left circle PP duty all year.

    Do you really see a 30 or 40 goal guy? I would think if he had that type of talent, he would be pushing Oshie for ice time/pp time

  123. npanciroli says:

    GMB3,

    I think 25-30 isn’t a reach with top 6 and some PP. I wouldn’t want to go over 4×4 although then I don’t know if that gets it done either.

    If you are looking for scoring he’s probably the best bet in free agency minus the real big ticket players.

    Donskoi/Chiasson and others will be cheaper but won’t sniff that goal total.

  124. Ryan says:

    Material Elvis: They are so desperate that they are trying to trade one of their right handed defensemen.

    That’s different. Zeitgeist is overpaid and not very effective. He has a terrible contract.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: \

    Maybe they go cheaper on the goalie? Sending Benning away (and still burying Manning) for a pick saves 1M. A Gagner buyout (not condoning it) clears up 2M for now. It wouldn’t be difficult to make enough room for Connolly with some small moves.

    Burying Manning doesn’t really save anything as the $1.075M savings will be essentially used up by his roster replacement (for example, Persson).

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93:

    And further to the Broberg discussion its good to hear that AHL is an option. But most of all I hope (and think it will happen) that Holland, Broberg and family and his agent have friendly open discussions with no strong arming or enticements to come to the best solution.

    1) Management has stated that he won’t be going to the AHL this coming year – OHL or Sweden. Its good that its potentially an option for his draft plus 2 (as he won’t be of age yet). I say, potentially, because we don’t have confirmation – there isn’t anything out there confirmatory and black and white yet.

    2) From the interviews with Howson and Broberg yesterday, it sounds like an initial discussion has been had and they’ll figure it out over the next month. Sounds like it will be amicable as Howson was pretty clear that Broberg’s desires and preference will be given large credence.

  127. Rube Foster says:

    ArmchairGM: Or JP?

    I agree with you that the street value for Pulujarvi at this time is in the neighborhood of a 2nd round pick. For a lottery pick with such physical tools, that stings… kind of like Yak for 3rd stings.

    I would rather we kept our powder dry with Jesse. If he has to go to Europe for a season, I would make the bet that a healthy 21 year old Jesse would have an excellent development year and that he can find his mojo and either increase his value or better yet hope that time can heal some of the wounds and a return to the Oilers becomes more palatable.

    I guess one way to answer the Pulu Riddle is this. If Jesse Pulujarvi goes to Europe and has a good to great season, is he worth more than a 2nd round pick? If the answer to that question is yes, then the correct play is to let Jesse have a development year in Europe and reassess next offseason.

    This approach fits into the Jools Holland school of slow playing prospects. We’re going to find out soon what kind of Asset Manager Jools is, he couldn’t be worse than the last lot… could he?

  128. ArmchairGM says:

    Material Elvis: You don’t think that deal would be done if it was an option at this point?

    I wouldn’t do it with an unqualified Burakovsky. Now that he’s qualified it’s an option.

  129. Oilman99 says:

    who: Put whatever term you want on it.
    I was responding to a post suggesting we sign Donskoi if he was 1 million cheaper. If those are the 2 options I choose Connelly.
    The best option is probably to not sign any of them. Save the cap space for a real opportunity next year.

    WARNING!! Connelly and Chiasson could both be one and done as 20 goal scorers, career year, then back to the same level as before with a big contract.

  130. Munny says:

    Stauffer can’t confirm or deny Haas rumour, but has no reason not believe it because it is emanating from an agent. Would say there is legitimacy to it.

  131. bwar says:

    Oilman99,

    I get the impression that no one is ready to bite on Chiasson at $3M per but I guess we will see.

  132. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Burying Manning doesn’t really save anything as the $1.075M savings will be essentially used up by his roster replacement (for example, Persson).

    Manning is lucky if he gets to play for the Condors , no chance in hell he is an Oiler. Persson has to show he can compete at the NHL level, everyone seems to be gifting him a spot on the big club, there is no guarantee yet.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    LT said…

    Edmonton has the cap room to get a goalie and one, two wingers. I think a buyout is possible

    The only buyout candidate that can move the needle is Sekera.Koskinen too I suppose but then all the savings will go to another goalie, so makes no sense.

    As I said earlier this week, life would be a lot easier if they can engineer a Russell trade before July 1, but their best chance of moving the asset is after teams fail in UFA Frenzy to solve their defense issues.

    and a Sekera buyout would be egregious….

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    After seeing what TO gave up to get rid of 1 yr of Marleau, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Lucic will be on the roster on opening night.

    Yup, he is not tradeable for cap savings – clearly.

    A trade for Sutter would even require a very material piece to go with it I would think, very material.

  135. Munny says:

    Oilman99,

    I don’t think OP is saying that Manning will be with the Big Team, but rather that you can’t really count on cap savings with that bury… because whomever you replace him with will be eating up those savings.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rube Foster:

    Reports out of Washington have the Caps not qualifying Burakowsky, could we get him for a 2nd round pick?

    2nd round pick? We could probably get him for a conditional 5th or 6th in a few hours when he’s officially not qualified. He’s a pending UFA at that point – absolutely no to a 2nd round pick.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    Material Elvis: They are so desperate that they are trying to trade one of their right handed defensemen.

    Well that’s like saying the Oilers are trying to dump Lucic so they don’t need winger help

  138. Jaxon says:

    jtblack:
    Jaxon,

    Of Interest is that COL made the playoffs and went2 rounds. The other teams are in major rebuild mode.

    AVS had best draft IMO.Major Quality & Quantity.

    Makar will play all year nxt season and looks legit based on his short playoff debut.Some say Byram may stick. Laying a good foundation for the next 5 yrs +.

    I find it very interesting that Yzerman and Sakic always seem to have parallel careers. Similar playing styles, similar demeanors, similar accomplishments, similar career highs, now they both are becoming known as astute GMs who are building strong young teams.

  139. godot10 says:

    Dustylegnd: Why would a 27 year old UFA with a Stanley cup sign a 3 year deal????

    Who is going to offer him more? Most teams are capped out? If somebody wants to offer him more, let them. Ditto if someone wants to offer Chiasson more than one year.

    Move on to the next guy.

  140. Jaxon says:

    Munny:
    Paajarvi is coming off three one year deals that paid him 700k, then 800k, and most recently 900k.

    He has scored:

    2017 — 8-5-13
    2018 — 8-4-12
    2019 — 8-11-19

    And can PK.

    His fancies with OTT sucked, as they do for all OTT players, but were much better when he was with the Blues.

    I’m on board with Paajarvi and B Tanev for cheap deals and see how much room we have next summer to add any bigger pieces.

  141. godot10 says:

    McSorley33:
    LT’s current projected lineup – RW:

    Zack Kassian
    JP
    Sam Gagner
    Josh Currie

    That is quite the list.

    Draisaitl can be #1RW. Hitchcock was being obsessive compulsive playing Draisaitl on LW.

  142. Nit64 says:

    @EdmontonOilers
    The #Oilers have issued qualifying offers to Jujhar Khaira & Jesse Puljujärvi.

  143. pts2pndr says:

    leadfarmer:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Only way they do Kadri Russell is
    Russell(50% retained + 1st or equivalent prospect)for Kadri

    Right, so what you are saying is it doesn’t get done!

  144. leadfarmer says:

    pts2pndr: Right, so what you are saying is it doesn’t get done!

    Absolutely not
    I have no idea what we do with Russell and Sekera next offseason. Don’t see teams helping us out.

  145. ArmchairGM says:

    GMB3: Do you really see a 30 or 40 goal guy? I would think if he had that type of talent, he would be pushing Oshie for ice time/pp time

    I know “30-40” is going to see ridiculous to some, but I think its possible. He scored 1.27 g/60 at 5v5 last year, if you extrapolate that based on Chiasson’s TOI you get 23 goals. It’s a little harder to gauge PP production because he gets to little TOI (he plays the Ovi spot, not the Oshie spot, hence the lack of TOI) but if you look at the 3 years previous you’ll see he scored 2.02, 2.02 and 2.37 g/60, which works out to about another 10 goals. These numbers are based on his scoring rates playing alongside Lars Eller without accounting for the inevitable McDavid Bump. Even playing with Nuge would likely push his number up a little.

  146. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: 2nd round pick?We could probably get him for a conditional 5th or 6th in a few hours when he’s officially not qualified.He’s a pending UFA at that point – absolutely no to a 2nd round pick.

    Pretty sure the Caps qualified Burakovsky. Many reports this morning stating they plan to.

  147. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Burying Manning doesn’t really save anything as the $1.075M savings will be essentially used up by his roster replacement (for example, Persson).

    Jones’ $720k save $355k. Every little bit helps!

  148. godot10 says:

    GMB3:
    Man oh man.. I feel like the quickest way out of this hole is trading Nurse for a scoring winger. I’d rather bite the bullet for one more year, land another high pick, hope Benson and Marody can play material roles in the middle 6 on the cheap. Pray for Holtz or Raymond in the draft lottery.

    We absolutely can not afford to overpay on term this summer. We need room to wheel in the future. If we had 15 million in cap space and could afford to sign a guy like Panarin and fill out the roster? Then that would make sense.

    I’m fairly certain you can fill out the bottom six with guys on ELC’s or AHL tweeners from other teams and get better value than signing some of the aforementioned names for term.

    You are gutting the next two seasons if you trade Nurse, probably more. The young D are not ready.

  149. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster: the correct play is to let Jesse have a development year in Europe and reassess next offseason.

    100% agree with this.

  150. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Yes but how often does extrapolation actually work
    How many 3rd pairing D have been extrapolated on here to be 2nd or higher only to fall flat on their face
    If he had the potential to be a 40 goal scorer don’t you think he would bat higher up the lineup?
    Oshie has scored 30 once.
    Connolly is a 3rd line out scorer that may work out with Mcdavid
    But I sure as hell don’t pay him like a 30 goal scorer
    Over 4 per i hope we are smart enough to walk away
    Otherwise I try to get Burakovsky and Donskoi both for 4 or less together

  151. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM: 100% agree with this.

    I hope we start leaving all these Euro picks for a year or two after drafting them in Europe
    We should have left Jesse there and we need to leave Broberg there
    If things go sour with their development there you can rescue them and have a good relationship with the player but it seems much more often the NHL teams are the ones that have more issues building a relationship

  152. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Burying Manning doesn’t really save anything as the $1.075M savings will be essentially used up by his roster replacement (for example, Persson).

    True, but CapFriendly lists 8D on the roster since both Manning and Persson are on 1-way deals. So burying Manning does save money relative to what’s listed on CapFriendly.

    $8.333M in cap space becomes $9.408M with Manning in the minors and only 7D on the roster (and of course only 9F and 1G accounted for).

    https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

  153. digger50 says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Given Katz pocket goes pretty deep I really see no downside to signing a bunch of Euro FAs. Best case scenario they can bring speed and some level of offense to the bottom six, or maybe even play an accessory role in the top six (Kahun). Even pedestrian numbers would be better than what the Oilers got out of their depth last year.

    The Oilers bottom six rotation was miserable last season: Brodziak, Cave, Lucic, Spooner, Malone, Gambardella, Currie, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Rieder, Rattie combined for 92 points last season. Its not like all these guys were sacrificing offense for good defensive play either.

    Worst case scenario they can be buried in the AHL and take a spot on the 50 man limit. I think the AHL can bury ~1.1 mill this season?

    The forward roster as it sits is horrible.

    The downside of bringing in all these bets is it causes confusion. Churning mud. Who plays where? Let’s try this guy here…and half the season passes on tryouts.

    Would be better off playing Nurse on the wing. Or dressing three lines that are at least NHL talent as the top three will be out 23 minutes a game.

    It might be better to stop bleeding on the small bets and bring in one difference maker. Plus Benson; a top six position is his to lose right now.

    I’m happy to hear Holland has been working the phones hard, that’s good news, but so far not much for results

  154. Rube Foster says:

    OriginalPouzar: 2nd round pick?We could probably get him for a conditional 5th or 6th in a few hours when he’s officially not qualified.He’s a pending UFA at that point – absolutely no to a 2nd round pick.

    Keep up! You should really pay closer attention to this forum:)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/25/capitals-qualify-restricted-free-agent-forward-andre-burakovsky/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d248a814452

  155. slopitch says:

    Ribs:
    I wonder if Holland is regretting his decision to take on this mess yet.

    This team needs some of it’s youngsters to take some giant steps. And quick.

    Holland had a similar situation in Detroit and even his fabled farm system could not keep pace with his team’s needs.

    Once again, we are stuck with hope.

    The difference being he lost Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg in a 5 year window. The Oilers have Drai and McDavid in their primes and some quality D in the pipeline. Its a 1-2 year problem.

    Holland can get the Oilers to striking distance by getting league average PK and .918 sv % from the backup. Last year:

    – the Oilers gave up 246 PP’s and killed 74.8% of them. League average is 80% – that is 12 goals
    – Talbot played 31 games and had a 0.893 sv % – compared to .918 that is 22 goals

    One can make the argument that they are correlated and they are but I still think its doable. The Oilers would still need to find about 15 goals internally to make up the ~50 it would take to be a playoff team. Or as Bobby Nic would say – one Tobby Reider 😛

    An actual top 6 addition would go a LONG way on this team.

  156. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m with Cassandra on this. The only way possible for success on the free agent market is playing the waiting game. You wait until the frenzy dies out and sign the best available guy to a cheap deal. Targeting a specific player and signing him early will almost always leads to an overpayment. The worst possible scenario is the Philadelphia example of trading assets to negotiate early with a free agent. You lose all leverage and end up paying through the nose.

    I agree 100% but the reason I’m agreeing is we have no other option but to wait unless we trade RNH for draft picks to free up cap space. This is of course after we acquire Kadri for Russell that is after he waves is MTC to include horsetown Toronto.

  157. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilman99: WARNING!! Connelly and Chiasson could both be one and done as 20 goal scorers, career year, then back to the same level as before with a big contract.

    Brett Connolly

    TOI/GP
    16-17: 10:05
    17-18: 10:20
    18-19: 12:15

    5v5 Shots/60
    16-17: 6.67
    17-18: 4.31
    18-19: 7.68

    5v5 Shooting %
    16-17: 18.92
    17-18: 19.23
    18-19: 16.54

    5v5 Goals/60
    16-17: 1.26
    17-18: 0.83
    18-19: 1.27

    I don’t see a “one-and-done” player here, do you? Connolly has scored 45 5v5 goals over the past 3 years, Donskoi 30. Here’s what that looks like on the Oilers roster:

    McDavid 75
    Draisaitl 54
    Connolly 45 **
    Maroon 37
    Nugent-Hopkins 36
    Donskoi 30 **
    Kassian 26
    Lucic 21
    Caggiula 19

    Both guys play 3rd line minutes with lessor centers than we can offer, and also very little PP time.

  158. Munny says:

    Can’t believe Theo didn’t get an HHOF nomination today. Nice to see Zubov being honoured though.

  159. pts2pndr says:

    Cassandra: The price for Kadri is way higher than that.

    Trading Kadri for Russell makes their team much worse.They just traded a first round pick to get rid of one year of Marleau so they could win this year.

    Given that there is no scenario where the Leafs would trade away Kadri for Russell.

    But from a value perspective you have to think about it this way.

    Russell’s contract has negative value.This means you have to give the team a pick, probably at least a 2nd rd pick just to take the contract.

    Then you have to add to that the signfiicant value that Kadri’s contract has.

    Kadri for Russell + 1st rd pick + 2nd rd pick and the Leafs still say no.

    Kadri’s contract is bettter than RNH’s contract.There is no way around that conclusion.

    If you want to trade Russell to Toronto you are taking back Zaitsev.

    For Toronto that needs a top four D Russel has value! If you are under the belief that top four NHL D can be had for much less I think you are sadly mistaken. Given we have four top four D without Russel his value for us is less. To say Russels contract has no value is incorrect. If Toronto gets Gardiner signed things change but given that he is a ufa it would seem that might be problematic and he will certainly want more money than Toronto can afford to pay unless they let Marner go. Toronto in in a bind and it will be interesting to see how they get out of it.

  160. Drew says:

    Andy Dufresne: Then Yes we do agree. Feels strange. No?

    agreed as well

  161. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    ArmchairGM,

    Yes but how often does extrapolation actually work
    How many 3rd pairing D have been extrapolated on here to be 2nd or higher only to fall flat on their face
    If he had the potential to be a 40 goal scorer don’t you think he would bat higher up the lineup?
    Oshie has scored 30 once.
    Connolly is a 3rd line out scorer that may work out with Mcdavid
    But I sure as hell don’t pay him like a 30 goal scorer
    Over 4 per i hope we are smart enough to walk away
    Otherwise I try to get Burakovsky and Donskoi both for 4 or less together

    I’m not sure why you think Donskoi will be so much cheaper than Connolly though. The EW projections I’ve quoted several times have them $675k apart on a 3 year contract, you aren’t signing Burakovsky – or anyone else – for that.

    And I’m not really extrapolating much – Connolly scored 21 goals at 5v5 last year and I’ve projected him at 23 if in the Oilers top-6. Not much of a leap, do you agree?

  162. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer: How many 3rd pairing D have been extrapolated on here to be 2nd or higher only to fall flat on their face

    Not sure who you’re talking about here? I don’t think anybody thought Russell was a good option for 2RD and the only other guy that has played the position much recently is Benning – and his results are golden.

  163. Rube Foster says:

    ArmchairGM: Brett Connolly

    TOI/GP
    16-17:10:05
    17-18:10:20
    18-19:12:15

    5v5 Shots/60
    16-17:6.67
    17-18:4.31
    18-19:7.68

    5v5 Shooting %
    16-17:18.92
    17-18:19.23
    18-19:16.54

    5v5 Goals/60
    16-17:1.26
    17-18:0.83
    18-19:1.27

    I don’t see a “one-and-done” player here, do you? Connolly has scored 45 5v5 goals over the past 3 years, Donskoi 30. Here’s what that looks like on the Oilers roster:

    McDavid75
    Draisaitl54
    Connolly45 **
    Maroon37
    Nugent-Hopkins36
    Donskoi30 **
    Kassian26
    Lucic21
    Caggiula19

    Both guys play 3rd line minutes with lessor centers than we can offer, and also very little PP time.

    Color me curious. Where would Burakovsky rank by these metrics?

  164. JimmyV1965 says:

    pts2pndr: For Toronto that needs a top four D Russel has value! If you are under the belief that top four NHL D can be had for much less I think you are sadly mistaken. Given we have four top four D without Russel his value for us is less. To say Russels contract has no value is incorrect. If Toronto gets Gardiner signed things change but given that he is a ufa it would seem that might be problematic and he will certainly want more money than Toronto can afford to pay unless they let Marner go. Toronto in in a bind and it will be interesting to see how they get out of it.

    I’m not buying the narrative that Russell has negative value. He does have value and more so because he has played the right side. I’m sure the Leafs works be very interested in Russell. But they aren’t trading Kadri to get it done. With a very good contract, there is little incentive for the Leafs to trade him, unless they get a very good value.

  165. Cassandra says:

    pts2pndr: For Toronto that needs a top four D Russel has value! If you are under the belief that top four NHL D can be had for much less I think you are sadly mistaken. Given we have four top four D without Russel his value for us is less. To say Russels contract has no value is incorrect. If Toronto gets Gardiner signed things change but given that he is a ufa it would seem that might be problematic and he will certainly want more money than Toronto can afford to pay unless they let Marner go. Toronto in in a bind and it will be interesting to see how they get out of it.

    On what planet is Russell a top 4 D?

    If he was teams would be banging down the door to trade for him and the Oilers wouldn’t be interested in giving him up.

    He would be the Leafs 4th best LHD. Reilly, Muzzin, and Dermott are all way better than him. Sure if they had him they would play him on the right side, but that is a terrible idea as we all know.

    Toronto isn’t in that big a bind. Insofar as they are in a bind, trading for Russell makes the problem worse not better.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Evolving Hockey has 3 years as the most likely scenario for both Connolly (x $3.5M) and Donskoi (x $2.8M).

    I imagine Connolly is going to come in higher.

  167. npanciroli says:

    Stolen from HF.

    GERRY JOHANSSON:

    “The number will be fairly reasonable where a lot of teams can make a fit for him but being on the right side in Edmonton would be a great fit. We have calls to make today still and it’s up to Brett but he’s a Prince George guy. 6-8 teams have expressed interest. We’d like to be above 3M but we haven’t talked dollars. We have talked to Ken and had a good talk.”

    Brett Connolly’s agent.

  168. npanciroli says:

    Seems like a no brainer if you get him under 4 for 3-4 years. That was Stauffer I believe he was talking to.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I would have no problem signing Connolly to a $4M x 4 deal. He’s a very, very good shooter – 18.12 shooting % over the past 3 years – and Edmonton needs that. He’s solid in other areas of the game too, he isn’t strictly a sniper.

    4 years of term on a non-value deal (not saying its egregious but not a “value contract”) for tertiary players is risky. It wouldn’t be an egregious contract but I don’t think I’d love it.

  170. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not buying the narrative that Russell has negative value. He does have value and more so because he has played the right side. I’m sure the Leafs works be very interested in Russell. But they aren’t trading Kadri to get it done.With a very good contract, there is little incentive for the Leafs to trade him, unless they get a very good value.

    Russell has some value, but he also has effectively a no move contract.

  171. Alpine says:

    Sounds like Connolly is looking for a good fit and not necessarily the most money. Can only be a good sign for us. “Like to be above 3 Mil” is doable for the Oilers.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    Numenius: 2019-20$744,444
    2020-21$2,644,444
    2021-22$1,444,444
    2022-23$1,444,444
    2023-24$1,444,444
    2024-25$1,444,444

    1st year is good, 2nd year is rough, otherwise not bad.

    Of course, there is all but zero chance of that happening – nor should it (and we all know, I don’t think this goalie is good enough).

  173. Professor Q says:

    I have absolutely no qualms with Edmonton letting go of Rieder, Rattie, Larkin, Vesel, and Norell. Fill in the Bakersfield and Stockton rosters with pro-ready pipeline prospects, NCAA or other University FAs, and European FAs.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    OriginalPouzar

    @coopsie39
    Jun 24
    More
    2018/19 5 on 5 P/60 – Chiasson: 1.25. Connolly: 2.66

  175. pts2pndr says:

    leadfarmer: Absolutely not
    I have no idea what we do with Russell and Sekera next offseason.Don’t see teams helping us out.

    One of the two will be moveable either at or before the trade deadline to a team that runs into injury problems, finds their top four isn’t working and or wants injury insurance for a playoff run. We may have to retain some salary but it can be done.

  176. Reja says:

    Munny:
    Can’t believe Theo didn’t get an HHOF nomination today.Nice to see Zubov being honoured though.

    Zubov one of the most underated D-man that I could think of fantastic career.

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs:
    I wonder if Holland is regretting his decision to take on this mess yet.

    This team needs some of it’s youngsters to take some giant steps. And quick.

    Holland had a similar situation in Detroit and even his fabled farm system could not keep pace with his team’s needs.

    Once again, we are stuck with hope.

    Holland knows very well its going to take a few years to right the ship and build but he’s going to get a statue beside Gretz, paid with playoff and Ice District revenue with the Cups start coming in a few.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Prior to last season, I surpised here that Chiasson could produce like Kassian for less than half the price.

    That being said, he’s basically immobile and his stick will go cold. Chiasson is not a guy you sign to a 3rd line contract. He’s a fourth liner.

    The second you pay Chiasson 2.2 x2 is the moment you regret it.

    Considering current Oilers management has barely talked with Chiasson, I don’t think he’s a hard target of the team and they won’t overpay for his over-rated services.

  179. Reja says:

    Glovjuice:
    What is the Koskinen buyout structure? Seriously.

    Why does 25% of the fan base refuse to give Kosh a Honest chance before running him out of town.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Cassandra,

    Russell’s contract has negative value but at 2 mil it has some value for a guy that can play either side.
    So no you probably don’t have to add a 2nd forRussell at 2 mil given what 3rd pairing D are getting on the market

    I always take issue to the “Russell can play either side” because he’s materially worse on the right side. He just happens to do it for this team. Any d-man can play both sides and show a similar drop off in their game on their non-natural side.

  181. pts2pndr says:

    Cassandra: On what planet is Russell a top 4 D?

    If he was teams would be banging down the door to trade for him and the Oilers wouldn’t be interested in giving him up.

    He would be the Leafs 4th best LHD.Reilly, Muzzin, and Dermott are all way better than him.Sure if they had him they would play him on the right side, but that is a terrible idea as we all know.

    Toronto isn’t in that big a bind.Insofar as they are in a bind, trading for Russell makes the problem worse not better.

    It would seem the year Edmonton went to the playoffs and won a round he was part of the top four. He is not a top four D playing his off side however he can fill in there for short periods. The reason he is moveable is that Edmonton has four left shot top four D and arguably two young D in Jones and Lagesson pushing for third pairing left D.

  182. Oilpower says:

    One thing we might be over looking as fans, is that Ken holland does not have any pressure to make the playoffs. If he adds a good back up one middle six winger, a couple cheap bottom six players and has one or two prospects say Jones and gamberdella break camp with the team, it will probably be enough to keep the Oilers close to the playoffs. But make it or not it gets the prospects a year closer and gets ride of some bad money. I guess it’s like this I doubt he can do enough to make the oil into a playoff team in one summer so probably be looking at a top 15 pick next year. Go oil playoffs in 2021!

  183. Dustylegnd says:

    GMB3:
    Man oh man.. I feel like the quickest way out of this hole is trading Nurse for a scoring winger. I’d rather bite the bullet for one more year, land another high pick, hope Benson and Marody can play material roles in the middle 6 on the cheap. Pray for Holtz or Raymond in the draft lottery.

    We absolutely can not afford to overpay on term this summer. We need room to wheel in the future. If we had 15 million in cap space and could afford to sign a guy like Panarin and fill out the roster? Then that would make sense.

    I’m fairly certain you can fill out the bottom six with guys on ELC’s or AHL tweeners from other teams and get better value than signing some of the aforementioned names for term.

    If we look at this situation in a rational manner, thee is no quickest way out.

    The Lucic contract is crippling, we have no way out without sacrificing significant assets

    If either Leon or Connor get hurt next season we are right back in the lottery

    The best we can hope for is a breakthrough by the crew in Bako and expedited development by one or two of our most recent draft picks

    I maintain a realistic time line for Holland is the expiry of McDavids contract minus 2 years…it took 10 years to get into this mess…going to take 5 to get out after the fine work of Chia

  184. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster: Color me curious.Where would Burakovsky rank by these metrics?

    Andre Burakovsky

    TOI/GP
    16-17: 11:29
    17-18: 12:11
    18-19: 10:44

    5v5 Shots/60
    16-17: 7.75
    17-18: 5.89
    18-19: 7.20

    5v5 Shooting %
    16-17: 9.47
    17-18: 13.43
    18-19: 11.22

    5v5 Goals/60
    16-17: 0.73
    17-18: 0.79
    18-19: 0.81
    __________________

    Joonas Donskoi

    TOI/GP
    16-17: 12:04
    17-18: 12:46
    18-19: 12:36

    5v5 Shots/60
    16-17: 6.11
    17-18: 7.55
    18-19: 6.36

    5v5 Shooting %
    16-17: 6.67
    17-18: 11.32
    18-19: 12.15

    5v5 Goals/60
    16-17: 0.41
    17-18: 0.85
    18-19: 0.77
    ____________________

    Brett Connolly

    TOI/GP
    16-17: 10:05
    17-18: 10:20
    18-19: 12:15

    5v5 Shots/60
    16-17: 6.67
    17-18: 4.31
    18-19: 7.68

    5v5 Shooting %
    16-17: 18.92
    17-18: 19.23
    18-19: 16.54

    5v5 Goals/60
    16-17: 1.26
    17-18: 0.83
    18-19: 1.27

    All three players superimposed onto the Oilers roster, total number of goals scored at 5v5 over the past 3 seasons:

    McDavid 75
    Draisaitl 54
    ** Connolly 45
    Maroon 37
    Nugent-Hopkins 36
    ** Burakovsky 30
    ** Donskoi 30
    Kassian 26
    Lucic 21
    Caggiula 19

    Same thing but goals/60:

    ** Connolly 1.13
    McDavid 1.12
    Maroon 1.1
    Draisaitl 0.88
    ** Burakovsky 0.78
    Chiasson 0.75
    Eberle 0.74
    Nugent-Hopkins 0.70
    ** Donskoi 0.70
    Rattie 0.68
    Caggiula 0.64
    .
    Kassian 0.59
    .
    .
    .
    Lucic 0.40

    Note, these figures only include goals scored / TOI while on the Oilers roster, so Chiasson’s “3 year” number is actually only 2018-19. His 3 year total is more around 0.70 G/60.

  185. Cassandra says:

    OriginalPouzar: I always take issue to the “Russell can play either side” because he’s materially worse on the right side.He just happens to do it for this team. Any d-man can play both sides and show a similar drop off in their game on their non-natural side.

    Exactly.

    pts2pndr: It would seem the year Edmonton went to the playoffs and won a round he was part of the top four. He is not a top four D playing his off side however he can fill in there for short periods. The reason he is moveable is that Edmonton has four left shot top four D and arguably two young D in Jones and Lagessonpushing for third pairing left D.

    The Oilers should want to move Russell because he can be replaced by a player that costs less. No other team will trade for him because they can also replace him with a player that costs less.

    There isn’t a single team in the league that would be helped by taking on Russell’s contract in comparison to their alternatives. That’s why he can only be traded in a salary dump.

    Calvin de Haan is an actual second pairing D and he was just traded for nothing. Russell is nowhere near as good a player.

  186. Professor Q says:

    Reja: Zubov one of the most underated D-man that I could think of fantastic career.

    I always like Zubov and Palffy. Theo Fleury and the Bure Brothers as well.

  187. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I imagine Connolly is going to come in higher.

    Do you think his contract will deviate from the projection more than Donskoi’s though? That is my point. If so, please state your reasoning and your sources.

    If the market is higher than projected then they’ll both come in higher, there’s no evidence to suggest that Donskoi and Burakovsky will have a combined AAV similar to just Connolly’s by himself. None.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    Connolly’s agent was on Oilers Now – stated 6-8 teams are in on him including the Oilers.

    That’s less than I thought actually some maybe the price won’t be too high.

    Its clear though, unless they move cap out, they can’t get both Connolly and Mrazek.

  189. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    I might have had more time for Vesel in an AHL depth/competition role, but otherwise I totally agree.

    Time to aim upwards in all areas of the organization.

  190. ArmchairGM says:

    npanciroli:
    Stolen from HF.

    GERRY JOHANSSON:

    “The number will be fairly reasonable where a lot of teams can make a fit for him but being on the right side in Edmonton would be a great fit. We have calls to make today still and it’s up to Brett but he’s a Prince George guy. 6-8 teams have expressed interest. We’d like to be above 3M but we haven’t talked dollars. We have talked to Ken and had a good talk.”

    Brett Connolly’s agent.

    WOW! That’s candid and he’s giving out WAY more info than most agents do.

    I like the tone! There’s clearly mutual interest.

  191. Material Elvis says:

    leadfarmer: Well that’s like saying the Oilers are trying to dump Lucic so they don’t need winger help

    If Zaitsev is Toronto’s Lucic, then they are stuck with him. If they cannot move his cap hit, they won’t be adding much help. Same goes with the Oilers — that albatross will prevent them from getting the help they need.

  192. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: 4 years of term on a non-value deal (not saying its egregious but not a “value contract”) for tertiary players is risky. It wouldn’t be an egregious contract but I don’t think I’d love it.

    He would instantly be the 3rd or 4th best forward on the Oilers roster, with a large gap below the top-4. That’s not a tertiary player.

    Total number of goals scored at 5v5 over the past 3 seasons:

    McDavid 75
    Draisaitl 54
    ** Connolly 45
    Nugent-Hopkins 36

  193. Numenius says:

    Now that Russel is off his NMC and on his NTC, can he be buried in the minors?

    That would save $1 million in space, which would be almost enough to fit everyone else in, including a backup at 2.5 and Connolly at 3.5.

    If you still need more space, you could trade Benning for a pick, or for a 1 M winger, and that should do it.

    I gave Khaira 1.5 and all remaining players 1 to make it work.

  194. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Why does 25% of the fan base refuse to give Kosh a Honest chance before running him out of town.

    It’s the Edmonton way.

  195. Munny says:

    Mike Vogel‏Verified account @VogsCaps · 18m18 minutes ago

    The #Caps have issued qualifying offers to the following six players: Burakovsky, Djoos, Stephenson, Vanecek, Vrana and Williams.

    Finally some actual confirmation on Burakovsky beyond the earlier “expected to”.

  196. Munny says:

    npanciroli:
    Stolen from HF.

    GERRY JOHANSSON:

    “The number will be fairly reasonable where a lot of teams can make a fit for him but being on the right side in Edmonton would be a great fit. We have calls to make today still and it’s up to Brett but he’s a Prince George guy. 6-8 teams have expressed interest. We’d like to be above 3M but we haven’t talked dollars. We have talked to Ken and had a good talk.”

    Brett Connolly’s agent.

    Only takes one other team to mess shit up, but looks like the Oil are a legit option. Will be Brett’s choice where he wants to play, unless some team makes an offer he can’t refuse.

  197. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland knows very well its going to take a few years to right the ship and build but he’s going to get a statue beside Gretz, paid with playoff and Ice District revenue with the Cups start coming in a few.

    Mirtle leaking that the Oil and the Leafs were in trade discussions with Nurse as a centerpiece indicates that Holland is exploring more than just the conservative options for moving forward.

  198. ArmchairGM says:

    Numenius:
    Now that Russel is off his NMC and on his NTC, can he be buried in the minors?

    That would save $1 million in space, which would be almost enough to fit everyone else in, including a backup at 2.5 and Connolly at 3.5.

    If you still need more space, you could trade Benning for a pick, or for a 1 M winger, and that should do it.

    I gave Khaira 1.5 and all remaining players 1 to make it work.

    So who’s going to play RD behind Larsson? You want to ship our best 2RD off for a pick in order to save ~$1M and send another guy who can spot 2RD effectively to the minors.

  199. Dustylegnd says:

    ArmchairGM: He would instantly be the 3rd or 4th best forward on the Oilers roster, with a large space below the top-4. That’s not a tertiary player.

    6th leading scorer on Washington, 46 points……ohh my Dutch has some work infront of him

  200. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny:
    Mike Vogel‏Verified account @VogsCaps · 18m18 minutes ago


    The #Caps have issued qualifying offers to the following six players: Burakovsky, Djoos, Stephenson, Vanecek, Vrana and Williams.

    Finally some actual confirmation on Burakovsky beyond the earlier “expected to”.

    It sounds like they’re talking to other teams about Burakovsky still, so he’s clearly available via trade.

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