Brand New Day

One of the best lines in NHL free agency: “How would you like to play on a line with Connor McDavid?” That’s an attention getter and Ken Holland may be using something like it on Brett Connolly today. If Edmonton signs Connolly, I suspect most fans will like the player but not the contract.

The Matt Cane prediction was $3.472 million times three for Connolly, the media rumor is $4 million times four. I said this could happen (here) and if it does, then I think it’s important to drill down on how much of the overpay is on management and how much is a tax on signing with the Oilers. It has to be one or the other, or both. I think it’ll be an interesting conversation should it come to pass.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers keep two, cut five, and potentially add new targets as qualifying deadline passes
  • New Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • New Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • New Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

NEW UFA’S

NHL teams walked a thousand men yesterday and some of them can play. I can’t get to every player worth discussing but here are a few who caught my eye.

LC Nick Cousins. He posted 1.27/60 5-on-5 scoring, played 30 percent of his time against elites and delivered 55 percent in possession. That’s good. While it’s true he played most often with Keller and Galchenyuk, Cousins was superior without at 5-on-5. He won’t cost a lost, and is 26.

R Ryan Hartman. He delivered 1.43/60 5-on-5 scoring, and in Nashville played 33 percent of his time against elites (48 percent in possession). I don’t know what the hell is going on with this player, but very recently he was good.

R Pontus Aberg. A 1.52/60 5-on-5 scorer for two teams, he played 29 percent of his time against elites and won 47.9 percent of the overall 5-on-5 possession. He had some chem here, people.

R Josh Archibald. He scored 1.30 5-on-5 per 60 while playing 49.6 against elites in 260 minutes against them. I don’t know him really but this is probably worth a contract because of shooting percentage (13.8).

LC Marko Dano. He’s 24 now and has only averaged 11 NHL goals per 82 games, but he has speed and skill. Long shot at this point.

R Sven Andrighetto. He scored 1.64/60 5-on-5 most often with Kerfoot and Jost. Oilers could buy out Sam Gagner, sign this fellow for $1 million and save a million. I like Gagner more, but there is an opportunity here.

L Dmitrij Jaskin. Big, strong and with great skill, I’ve been watching him for years and am still not sure what he does. Posted a 1.32/60 at 5-on-5 last season and might be the best pure talent on this list.

L Kerby Rychel. I’m not absolutely certain he is a player, but there is some evidence here. At 5-on-5 over his NHL career, Rychel has 14 points in 415 minutes. That’s 2.02/60.

CURRENT 50-MAN (43)

There is one slide (Olivier Rodrgiue) and it sure sounds like Edmonton is going to sign RHC Gaetan Haas. My article at The Athletic today identifies several Condors who are in very good position for roster spots this fall. That could change, but this depth chart is fluid. Edmonton has room for (my guess) five more names on the 50-man.

Ken Holland has signed Joakim Nygard and Logan Day, plus re-signed Gambardella, Malone, Patrick Russell, Shane Starrett. We knew he was beyond careful (he made one trade all summer 2018) and the new general manager may just sign some free agents. If the club gets Connolly and a legit goalie, I think we’ll see a buyout.

A LITTLE MORE ON PHILIP BROBERG

HockeyProspect.com: He’s been playing in a somewhat sheltered role for AIK in the HockeyAllsvenskan, where he had 2 goals, and 7 assists in 41 games. Broberg has got good size and excellent skating abilities, with a smooth, strong stride he likes to use to his advantage. He advances the puck up ice creating distance between him and his opponents, often going wide and around defenders. It’s really his north-south skating that stands out as he often takes the shortest route towards his destination.

Red Line Report: Huge, smooth skating defenceman has a terrific combination of great size and obvious skills. Lugs the puck up ice on dangerous rushes frequently, and generates lots of offence from the back end. Fires laser wristers on the PP, walking the line laterally to open up lanes.

Corey Pronman: In Broberg, the Oilers get an immensely talented defenseman and a unique player in terms of how elite his skating is for 6-foot-3. He’s not a high-end puck skills or passer, but he gets a bad rap in that area. He has skill, he makes plays, he can operate on a power play. His game is projected to be a top-pair guy who can drive play.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we hit the ground running with great guests and 50,000 watts of talk and droll on TSN1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey will stop by to talk prospects camp, the draft and free agency to come. We’ll also be joined by Kris Abbott from OddsShark to talk NBA and NHL offseason. Cam Lewis from Blue Jays Nation will also pop by and we’ll chat about losing teams and what they can get out of losing seasons. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Ben says:

    Brett Connolly’s very best season until this year was 27 points. Goals 5v5 look good, but $4×4 is a very steep bet.

    I’ll keep beating the drum: they need to find a fit for Kris Russell. He could either return the cap space to sign a 3C, or maybe even return a serviceable 3C or a G. No idea what the market is on him (WAS is very thin on D), but I’m surprised there hasn’t been more scuttlebutt.

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    Love the camera angle of that pic. Makes him look tiny.

  3. nvan97 says:

    Man, Broberg strikes me as the type of player that is going to be excellent at moving the puck in the right direction but won’t do the things that get fans excited (excellent passing, booming shot, crushing hits) and people will turn on him ala Petry, Gardiner, etc.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    High-stepping Philip Broberg works up a head of steam. Buddy can really motor, making most (not quite all) of the skating & agility drills look easy. pic.twitter.com/VOp24QbOQ5
    — Bruce McCurdy (@BruceMcCurdy) June 24, 2019

    Petition to keep Broberg’s nick-name “Buddy”.

    Buddy Broberg. If that isn’t the name of a guy can win, I don’t know what is.

  5. Yeti says:

    I love you LT.
    (I don’t mean physically, not least because Yeti-humanoid hybrid offspring are often shunned by both societies and end up becoming marginal hockey scouts in small Baltic countries; but because of your commitment to continually producing high quality material and pushing the conversation in productive directions).

  6. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Could the Oilers sign both Connolly (3.5×3) and Mrazek (3×3)?
    If so, how?
    Then assuming JJ is re-signed fill in the remaining holes/foster competition in the bottom 6 with whatever low budget PTOs and “new” bodies are available (e.g., Benson, Nygard, Marody, Gamb)…?
    I would be happy with this outcome realizing next year is really a development year with the hopes to make the playoffs. The following year (20-21) begins the contention push…

  7. bwar says:

    Connolly – “And why do you think I should come to Edmonton?”
    Holland – “MCDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVID!”

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Based on Broberg being pre-announced: I’m resigned to Connolly signing (what’s with the Oilers and these constant “scoops”: always, still, again, same play-book)

    – Depending on the terms and the timing: everything has a price. Will be interesting to see how “desperate” Holland is to sign him, or go sweat it out, or get into a bidding war

  9. bwar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I think that works if you run a 22 man roster.

  10. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull:
    High-stepping Philip Broberg works up a head of steam. Buddy can really motor, making most (not quite all) of the skating & agility drills look easy. pic.twitter.com/VOp24QbOQ5 — Bruce McCurdy (@BruceMcCurdy) June 24, 2019

    Petition to keep Broberg’s nick-name “Buddy”.

    Buddy Broberg.If that isn’t the name of a guy can win, I don’t know what is.

    – I like Brah better: that’s what the cool kids say now instead of Bro

  11. Psyche says:

    Nick Cousins is a former teammate of Darnell Nurse, with the Soo Greyhounds. Maybe the connection helps to attract the player? Also, Colin Miller (RD) played with both of them. Potential D partner target for Nurse? Then again, maybe their former GM is targeting all of them for the Leafs.

    I like the idea of Hartman. He has shown offence with previous teams.

    Aberg would have been a nice fit with the Oilers.

  12. Chris says:

    I’ve always liked Gagner so it’s kind of a shame that the only way out of the corner that Chiar painted them into is likely to buy out Sam, and then look at moving Russell to a team that wants defensive help but can’t make the cap work in free agency or whom strikes out. I could be wrong and perhaps Holland has some sort of brilliant Lucic deal in his pocket just waiting to be sprung upon the world but I’d be surprised if there is a sucker out there just waiting to relieve the Oilers of their milestone.

    We definitely do need to bring in a goalie and you have to think at least two forwards during free agency.At the moment we really only have McDavid, Draisaddle, Nuge, Kassian, Lucic, Gagner and Kassian, Cave, Brodziak and Nygard under contract. Brodziak, after a long career which left Edmonton too early the first time around, looks like he doesn’t have much tread left on the tire so he’s likely our extra forward. Khaira probably won’t cost much to bring back as an rfa so likely you have something akin to Cave-Nygard-Khaira on the 4th line.

    I assume because Draisaddle and McDavid can have Kassian slotted in as Sather’s fire hydrant. I think Tippet would have to be a masochist to put Lucic on the second line with Nuge again as we have a couple years of that being tried and it not having gone very well. So for the sake of argument let’s ay Nuge is on the second line essentially on his lonesome for the moment and Lucic is on the 3rd line left wing with the rest of those two lines marked as TBA. Our current difficulty is that we likely can only afford two decent free agents, three if Holland gets really lucky and one of them is likely a goaltender and we have 4 top 9 forward slots to fill. This is likely what pushes Gagner out the door, which is sad as those teams with Gagner and Hall were fun if not successful. Gagner isn’t really Holland’s type of forward either as he seems to prioritize guys who can skate above all else. Buying him out frees up another forward likely.

    However, the unescapable conclusion from thinking this through is that the Oilers are going to rely on one of Marody, Benson and Yammamotto to be a contributing top 9 forward and depending on the prices in the free agency marketplace it could be two of the three. However, if you can trade Russell for forward help or cap space we are in a slightly better position.

  13. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jethro Tull:
    High-stepping Philip Broberg works up a head of steam. Buddy can really motor, making most (not quite all) of the skating & agility drills look easy. pic.twitter.com/VOp24QbOQ5 — Bruce McCurdy (@BruceMcCurdy) June 24, 2019

    Petition to keep Broberg’s nick-name “Buddy”.

    Buddy Broberg.If that isn’t the name of a guy can win, I don’t know what is.

    AND, they can Trademark the “Buddy Burger” for their concessions

  14. bwar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Cap can work signing Connolly at 3.5 and Mrazek at 3. Haas at $1M, Benson, Marody Currie and Jones in the NHL. Persson, Brodziak, Manning in the AHL. Cap comes out at $81,407,832, pretty tight but still under.

  15. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Depending on the terms and the timing: everything has a price. Will be interesting to see how “desperate” Holland is to sign him, or go sweat it out, or get into a bidding war

    ~ Yeah, well, If LT hadnt publicized/leaked this weeks ago, it wouldnt be a big deal problem today, Thanks LT~

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I like Brah better: that’s what the cool kids say now instead of Bro

    Trust me on this. In the 60’s and 70’s Swedish Brahs were a big deal. 🙂

  17. GP Oiler Fan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Brah-burg

    It has a nice ring to it

  18. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hartman’s running a -4.94% xGFrel & -5.34% HDCFrel over the past 2 seasons.

    That’s just at first glance, I’m not sure what teammate effects were. Scoring rates have generally been good.

    Kind of reminds me of Kassian but Hartman draws more penalties.

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    I assume we get a roster spot and Cap Savings if/when JP signs in Europe. Is this a fact?

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    Man. Can you imagine if we ended up with Cousins and Broberg?!? What a draft year!

  21. Andy Dufresne says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Hartman’s running a -4.94% xGFrel & -5.34% HDCFrel over the past 2 seasons.

    That’s just at first glance, I’m not sure what teammate effects were. Scoring rates have generally been good.

    Kind of reminds me of Kassian but Hartman draws more penalties.

    Hartman passes the “saw him good test” as a 4th liner

  22. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    bwar:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Cap can work signing Connolly at 3.5 and Mrazek at 3.Haas at $1M, Benson, Marody Currie and Jones in the NHL.Persson, Brodziak, Manning in the AHL.Cap comes out at $81,407,832, pretty tight but still under.

    Thanks.
    I guess this keeps Gagner, who is a slight overpay for what he brings, but I think he has value to this team and that he will “bring it” this year – last year of contract, he likes being an Oiler.
    If one or two of our D prospects show capacity to play in the bottom 3, AND D stay healthy, mid-season trade of Russell could get some cap breathing space while providing cover for the first few months…

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    THe Habs have signed a quarterback.

  24. elgruntus says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    (what’s with the Oilers and these constant “scoops”: always, still, again, same play-book)

    One of the media’s complaints about Chia, was the lack of …openness? . Hell, MacT fired most of the training staff for leaking info. Holland is opening the door to Matty and Large in order to get support, for when the honeymoon ends.

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    Not sure which is worse for the Leafs

    1) signing Marner at $12m x 5

    2) loosing Marner to an offer sheet at $12m and picking up 4 first rounders.

  26. megahurts says:

    Sorry to nitpick, but I didn’t think Matt Cane did contract predictions this year?

    You’re probably thinking about the Evolving Wild projections:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/15E1qqh3OfHvvhbv_pICfKT7VR1jJEVhWQOyKviWLN54/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Thanks.
    I guess this keeps Gagner, who is a slight overpay for what he brings, but I think he has value to this team and that he will “bring it” this year – last year of contract, he likes being an Oiler.
    If one or two of our D prospects show capacity to play in the bottom 3, AND D stay healthy, mid-season trade of Russell could get some cap breathing space while providing cover for the first few months…

    And Gagner in 2020 at $1M might also work

  28. bwar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I run off the assumption that we aren’t capable of making trades anymore. If the total on both contracts comes in over $6.5M we might be able to run short handed to stay below the cap until at answer can be found.

  29. Andy Dufresne says:

    bwar:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I run off the assumption that we aren’t capable of making trades anymore.If the total on both contracts comes in over $6.5M we might be able to run short handed to stay below the cap until at answer can be found.

    Were allowed to be $10 million over the cap throughout the summer. (or is it 10% ?)

  30. Nit64 says:

    “How would you like to play on a line with Connor McDavid?”

    “Almost as much as I’d like the Oilers overpay.”

    That’s how we got Looch. Just sayin’.

  31. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne: Trust me on this. In the 60’s and 70’s Swedish Brahs were a big deal.

    Using a letter scale, how big are we talking?

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    elgruntus: One of the media’s complaints about Chia, was the lack of …openness? . Hell, MacT fired most of the training staff for leaking info. Holland is opening the door to Matty and Large in order to get support, for when the honeymoon ends.

    Would be good to ask him in his next interview, if he was aware that Broberg leaked two weeks before the draft and whether or not its a concern to him.

    (and that LT leaked his plan on Connolly 😉 )

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador: Using a letter scale, how big are we talking?

    LOL… U

    UUUUUGE.

  34. Nit64 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Not sure which is worse for the Leafs

    1) signing Marner at $12m x 5

    2) loosing Marner to an offer sheet at $12m and picking up 4 first rounders.

    Can’t see the Leafs getting Marner to sign for any length of time below that 4 first rounder threshold (10,568,590).

  35. Ben says:

    From 31 Thoughts:

    “I think Edmonton and Los Angeles are among the teams that checked in on Brandon Tanev. The Oilers are exploring everywhere for wingers: from Brett Connolly to Tanev to AHL MVP Daniel Carr. Jesse Puljujarvi’s preference is to resume his NHL career outside of Canada; someplace a little quieter. Boston, Carolina and Tampa Bay are among the possibilities.”

    Also mention of Zucker to EDM rumour.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-short-term-deals-break-rfa-stalemates/

    Gotta say, I generally like Holland’s targets here. You’d have to think in past years we’d be talking Simmons. Myers, etc.

  36. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Not sure which is worse for the Leafs

    1) signing Marner at $12m x 5

    2) loosing Marner to an offer sheet at $12m and picking up 4 first rounders.

    Four 1st round picks is a great haul unless you’re in a
    “win now” cycle of your franchise,
    The question is can you find a point producing replacement for $8-9 million this summer?

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster: Terrific work on the Connolly data Mr. Armchair! Thank you.

    Honest question, now that we’ve made it past the expecting phase and know that Burakovsky is qualified at $3.25M. How do you propose we acquire him at $2M?Are you suggesting a deal with The Caps where they retain $1.25M?

    Teams must extend a qualifying offer to a restricted free agent to retain negotiation rights.
    – A qualifying offer is an official Standard Player Contract (SPC) offer which shall be 1 year in length, and which can be subject to salary arbitration should the player be eligible.
    – Clubs have until the later of June 25th or the first Monday after the Entry Draft to submit Qualifying Offers.
    – Qualifying Offers apply to Group 2 and Group 4 free agents.
    – Submitting a Qualifying Offers gives the prior club the right of first refusal to match any offer sheet submitted, or receive draft pick compensation.
    – If the player rejects the qualifying offer, they remain an RFA and their rights are retained by the team.
    – If a player does not receive a qualifying offer, the player becomes a UFA.

    – CapFriendly

    My take is that Washington qualified him so that they could retain his rights and trade him for another asset. I don’t think Burakovsky will sign the offer, so the dollars and term of the QO mean nothing. He still remains an unsigned RFA in this case, and his rights can be traded just like any other RFA, and a new contract negotiated as normal.

    Since he’s been stuck on the 3rd and 4th line in Washington I doubt he’s happy, and the opportunity to play up the lineup in Edmonton might have some appeal. Holland should put in a call to his agent to see if this is something they’d like to explore further, then he can go to MacLellan with a proposal for the player as unsigned.

  38. jtblack says:

    Given Connolly’s Fancies and results, why is $4 Mil x 3 an overpay? seems fairly reasonable by today’s standards ..especially given he’s a UFA ….

    Hope we sign him ..!! Edm needs legit NHL players. Connolly is that. We KNOW he can excel with 3rd line mins and we believe he can handle Top 6 role. He has more skill, pedigree, better fancies and resume than Oiler RW right now.

    Sign the man !

  39. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Chris,

    – When I saw Gagner at the Buffalo game: I saw a guy a half-step too slow, poor edges, who was easy to take off the puck, and who coughed up the puck in a hurry

    – Fine to keep him as a placeholder and let the last year burn-off, and he’s “smart”, but he’s not a NHL player on a good team IMO, unless really really sheltered. He scored a bit in a small sample because he got time with skill.

    – But don’t buy him out, he can block/mentor/be a good guy in dressing room, yada yada

    – Next year, with both Kassian and Gagner gone, you can get one of those fancy $5MM wingers if need be (you know to add to the $4MM Connolly we get this year)

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    Ben: I’ll keep beating the drum: they need to find a fit for Kris Russell. He could either return the cap space to sign a 3C, or maybe even return a serviceable 3C or a G. No idea what the market is on him (WAS is very thin on D), but I’m surprised there hasn’t been more scuttlebutt.

    To Montreal for Dale Weise and a pick. Then bury Weise.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alot of talk on Connolly these days and yesterday was an amazing conversation on this blog – the value of this blog, this community and its members was on display.

    Armchair (and others) with an amazing drill down on Connolly – very informative on his previous performance with important context – definite reasonable arguments for potential improved true box cars as an Oiler and a justification for what I’m guessing will still be a $4M cap hit at 4 years.

    I’m not fully convinced that 4 years should be given to this player but will be fine with it if it does happen (at $4M). I would be disappointing if the term is longer or the AAV higher.

    I see a very reasonable chance that the Oilers sign this player – the Agent verbal is encouraging and there is clearly a spot and opportunity for him and, if he looks ahead, the potential to be a solid secondary piece on this team and earn himself another decent contract when in his early 30s.

    I’m excited and hopeful.

  42. Ben says:

    ArmchairGM: To Montreal for Dale Weise and a pick. Then bury Weise.

    Sure, something like that. Wonder if MTL is on his 10 team list, though. And if you really don’t want to be traded, maybe you instruct your agent to pick the 10 teams least likely to have interest based on roster and cap.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador: Four 1st round picks is a great haul unless you’re in a“win now” cycle of your franchise,
    The question is can you find a point producing replacement for $8-9 million this summer?

    Its a close call for me.

    If Im Dubas and Marner signs an offer sheet at $12×5 , Im awfully tempted to let him go.

    Especially if it allow me to re-up all my other RFA’s AND sign someone substatial in free agency. Especially a RHD.

    Leafs are loaded upfront (even without Marner).

    THey could end up with a more balanced roster and a more sustainable one with one hell of a pipeline of prospects.

    Highest Probability: Marner signs with Leafs 5 x $10m

  44. Pescador says:

    bwar:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Cap can work signing Connolly at 3.5 and Mrazek at 3.Haas at $1M, Benson, Marody Currie and Jones in the NHL.Persson, Brodziak, Manning in the AHL.Cap comes out at $81,407,832, pretty tight but still under.

    Too many teams are “in” on Connolly, if the Oilers want to land the player they have to meet his salary demands.
    Which from reports is between $4 -$4.5M x 4 years.

  45. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne: Its a close call for me.

    If Im Dubas and Marner signs an offer sheet at $12×5 , Im awfully tempted to let him go.

    Especially if it allow me to re-up all my other RFA’s AND sign someone substatial in free agency. Especially a RHD.

    Leafs are loaded upfront (even without Marner).

    THey could end up with a more balanced roster and a more sustainable one with one hell of a pipeline of prospects.

    Right you are,
    but who can they get to replace him right now?

  46. Ben says:

    Stauffer saying (in sloppily-coded Stauffer-ese) that the Oilers will buy someone out.

    My guess is they buy out Sekera to sign Varlamov to a too-rich deal. (I would very much disapprove of this.)

    A smart team like TB would then steal Sekera at $2×2.

  47. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I appreciate LT acknowledging the Edmonton overpay.

    When Boyd Gordon signed here he was given a million more and a year longer than any other team offered.

    I’m sure he’s not the only one.

    But when I brought up the Edmonton overpay, posters here took offence as if it was a jab at the city of Edmonton.

    Taxes. Climate. Winning.

    For NHL players, those factors are real.

  48. rickithebear says:

    Connally
    Has had steady years of 14 evg a season with a shot volume of 1.01/gm. In 68gm
    Last year was a shot volume of 1.57 in 81gm which is in a standard range of for most forwards.
    He has a 16-19% shot density.
    If he gets a steady rate of 21-23 evg per season.might justify the salary.

    I showed a list of guys that are 9 to 12.5 evg per season with salaries in the .800 to 1.9M

    We are replacing 588 man games 7.17 – 82 game seasons.
    The more 9-12 evg veteran depth we can have in our bottom 6 the better.
    To out score the

    Anyone can be a 21 evg player with Mcdavid.
    Connally better be getting 21 evg with RNH or our 3rd center.
    Or no way.

    I will take 20+ evg from Kassian whole has a high % density & volume with higher skilled forwards.
    Try & get Granlund, Hartman, Lindberg for what Connaly will likely be asking.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador: Right you are,but who can they get to replace him right now?

    You definitely cant replace his goals in totality. So you have to be ok with a re-balancing. What you lose in offense you gain in defense, cap, overall team balance and stronger prospect pipeline.

    Given thier specific and unique situation, there is a price point at which Marner is not affordable.

  50. Pescador says:

    How many points can you bank on from Matt Duchene, and why would he want to do that (play in Toronto) to himself?
    Could the Leafs pillage the Islanders again & sign Anders Lee?

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Where do we think Safin will play this year – normally I am against over-age seasons in junior for any “real prospect” but, given he lost essentially all of last year with injury (and was awful upon return), maybe an over-age season (with Lavoie) would be better than turning pro? If pro, he could be ECHL bound.

    I don’t believe his contract would slide if back in the CHL so that’s not a factor.

  52. dustrock says:

    Ben:
    Stauffer saying (in sloppily-coded Stauffer-ese) that the Oilers will buy someone out.

    My guess is they buy out Sekera to sign Varlamov to a too-rich deal. (I would very much disapprove of this.)

    A smart team like TB would then steal Sekera at $2×2.

    Chia would do the Varly deal for sure. I’m not convinced Holland would.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Connolly and Mrazek would require cap space to be opened and LT suggests a buyout.

    I guess it would have to be Gagner but I think they like him for skill in the bottom 6, ability to move up, PP2 and dressing room character.

    I can’t think of another buyout option (that would provide some real cap) that would make a lick of sense.

    They’ve got to go with the Russell disposition before exploring this – they have to.

  54. npanciroli says:

    Holland’s verbal early in the year makes me doubt him buying out Sekera. Russell trade way more likely.

    Gagner might be the buyout option Stauffer is alluding to especially if he thinks he can replace with Cousins or Carr.

  55. npanciroli says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thinking the same as me haha.

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    rickithebear:
    Connally
    Has had steady years of 14 evg a season with a shot volume of 1.01/gm. In 68gm
    Last year was a shot volume of 1.57 in 81gm which is in a standard range of for most forwards.
    He has a 16-19% shot density.
    If he gets a steady rate of 21-23 evg per season.might justify the salary.

    I showed a list of guys that are 9 to 12.5 evg per season with salaries in the .800 to 1.9M

    We are replacing 588 man games 7.17 – 82 game seasons.
    The more 9-12 evg veteran depth we can have in our bottom 6 the better.
    To out score the

    Anyone can be a 21 evg player with Mcdavid.
    Connally better be getting 21 evg with RNH or our 3rd center.
    Or no way.

    I will take 20+ evg from Kassian whole has a high % density & volume with higher skilled forwards.
    Try & get Granlund, Hartman, Lindberg for what Connaly will likely be asking.

    Even though he’s a better scorer than Kassian, I still seeing him playing 2RW/LW and getting signifcant PP time. RNH deserves a legit top 6 partner. (Or Draisaitl if he’s the 2C)

    For me its

    Draisaitl McDavid Kassian
    Connolly RNH Chaisson/Gagner

    to start the season

  57. Jethro Tull says:

    Ben:
    From 31 Thoughts:

    “I think Edmonton and Los Angeles are among the teams that checked in on Brandon Tanev. The Oilers are exploring everywhere for wingers: from Brett Connolly to Tanev to AHL MVP Daniel Carr. Jesse Puljujarvi’s preference is to resume his NHL career outside of Canada; someplace a little quieter. Boston, Carolina and Tampa Bay are among the possibilities.”

    Also mention of Zucker to EDM rumour.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-short-term-deals-break-rfa-stalemates/

    Gotta say, I generally like Holland’s targets here. You’d have to think in past years we’d be talking Simmons. Myers, etc.

    I really respect Freidman, but sometimes I wish he’d proof read his own stuff. Boston is a quieter hockey market? I don’t like it when journos assume that because a city has a higher population, and more major sports teams, then this automatically means the focus is diluted. Nuh-uh. Not a chance.

    If JP thinks (or is being led to think, which I’m more and more sure is the case) he’d be anonymous in an original six city with fans that rival any in Canada for their knowledge and fanaticism, then he should fire his agent.

    Carolina and TB? Well, the ‘Canes would be a good fit, but if he couldn’t hold a position on the Oilers with their FWD group, then I say good luck to you breaking into the Bolts, sir! And once again, each has their own set of very passionate fans. A quieter market would be Mongolia.

  58. Ben says:

    Jethro Tull: Boston is a quieter hockey market?

    Yeah, good point. You could argue though that a team like BOS has built up way more goodwill in their marketplace compared to EDM, which is justifiably a perpetual scalding pool of vitriol and disappointment. So if not ‘quieter’, then most certainly less toxic.

  59. just sayin says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I like Brah better: that’s what the cool kids say now instead of Bro

    I prefer Bro to Bra. Always had trouble getting them off.

  60. Ben says:

    just sayin: I prefer Bro to Bra. Always had trouble getting them off.

    Which one?

  61. Jordan says:

    Holland has already displayed he is not in win-now mode with the selections he made at the draft.

    We’ve also seen he’s not going to trade away the future for crap (Jesse Situation).

    He has so far been unwilling to offer sweeteners to get out of the difficult cap situation the team finds itself in.

    Buyouts by the their nature stretch the cap pain out. I think Holland is working to eliminate as many of the cap problems as possible now without stretching those problems out into later years. That will ensure there is less dead cap space for the team in the years when the team will be competing or contending.

    If it were me, and I wanted to maximize the winning window for this team, I would not be buying anyone out this year, and trading as many contracts away without retention as possible.

    Here’s hoping the team doesn’t buyout our D-men and a trade can be made.

  62. Dustylegnd says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    I appreciate LT acknowledging the Edmonton overpay.

    When Boyd Gordon signed here he was given a million more and a year longer than any other team offered.

    I’m sure he’s not the only one.

    But when I brought up the Edmonton overpay, posters here took offence as if it was a jab at the city of Edmonton.

    Taxes. Climate. Winning.

    For NHL players, those factors are real.

    No need to apologize, the truth can not be debated, and let us review,

    How many of these over pays have a) changed the team in a meaningful way b) worked out on any level for the player

    Edmonton is where careers go to die, seriously who is the free agent that signed here and flourished???? anyone…anyone…Bueller???

    Our roster is grossly deficient, we are not 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 players away

    Needs:
    a) Legit #1 keeper
    b) PP quarter back
    c) right shot #2 D man
    d) 4 scoring wingers
    E) Third line center that can score above replacement

  63. Reja says:

    Jethro Tull: I really respect Freidman, but sometimes I wish he’d proof read his own stuff.Boston is a quieter hockey market?I don’t like it when journos assume that because a city has a higher population, and more major sports teams, then this automatically means the focus is diluted. Nuh-uh. Not a chance.

    If JP thinks (or is being led to think, which I’m more and more sure is the case) he’d be anonymous in an original six city with fans that rival any in Canada for their knowledge and fanaticism, then he should fire his agent.

    Carolina and TB?Well, the ‘Canes would be a good fit, but if he couldn’t hold a position on the Oilers with their FWD group, then I say good luck to you breaking into the Bolts, sir!And once again, each has their own set of very passionate fans.A quieter market would be Mongolia.

    I hear it’s really laid back in Yaroslavl in the Winter Season.

  64. OilFire says:

    I think Gagner at 3.2 M makes too much for what he brings but I don’t think a buyout makes sense cap-wise. His buyout is 1.1 M plus his replacement at ~1 M, saves only 1.1 M of cap this year but adds 1.1 M to next years cap. Not a great deal.

    If you can trade him with 1 M retained your net savings is the same this year w/o the cost next year. I think Gagner at 2 M might already have some interest. However, you can also take back a 1M bottom 6 player that you need to replace him with anyway. Net cost to the trading partner is a 1M increase in cap to swap a bottom 6 player for Gagner with better offense. That’s a small bet that I could see a GM making.

  65. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Where do we think Safin will play this year – normally I am against over-age seasons in junior for any “real prospect” but, given he lost essentially all of last year with injury (and was awful upon return), maybe an over-age season (with Lavoie) would be better than turning pro? If pro, he could be ECHL bound.

    I don’t believe his contract would slide if back in the CHL so that’s not a factor.

    ITs a tough call. Im no expert but I think confidence is the key to a developing youth. For that reason . Id keep him in Jr. It still gives you two years to evaluate him in Pro hockey, which should be enough, Seems like a reasonable compromise to me. You?

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ben: Which one?

    Ha! Rude, Crude, and Funny!

  67. bwar says:

    If we were going to buy someone out, doesn’t it make more sense to try for a 50% retained salary trade? Sekera buyout ends up with cap hits of $2.5M, $2.5M, $1.5M, $1.5M. 50% retained ends up with 2 years of a $2.75M cap hit. If you are offering up Sekera for future considerations and a $2.75M cap hit, I have to believe someone would bite. Russell’s buyout would be $0.9M, $3.4M, $0.9M, $0.9M versus $2M for two years on a retained deal. I can’t be convinced Russell isn’t tradeable at $2M per year.

  68. Side says:

    just sayin: I prefer Bro to Bra. Always had trouble getting them off.

    It’s called the Manzier.

  69. dustrock says:

    Jethro Tull: I really respect Freidman, but sometimes I wish he’d proof read his own stuff.Boston is a quieter hockey market?I don’t like it when journos assume that because a city has a higher population, and more major sports teams, then this automatically means the focus is diluted. Nuh-uh. Not a chance.

    If JP thinks (or is being led to think, which I’m more and more sure is the case) he’d be anonymous in an original six city with fans that rival any in Canada for their knowledge and fanaticism, then he should fire his agent.

    Carolina and TB?Well, the ‘Canes would be a good fit, but if he couldn’t hold a position on the Oilers with their FWD group, then I say good luck to you breaking into the Bolts, sir!And once again, each has their own set of very passionate fans.A quieter market would be Mongolia.

    Carolina: Finn City

    TB: Very Good Hockey Team

    Boston: Very Good Hockey Team

    I’m just ignoring the “quieter” label and assume he either wants to go to a team which happens to have a ton of Finns or else 2 of the best teams in the East.

    What a happy coincidence.

  70. godot10 says:

    nvan97:
    Man, Broberg strikes me as the type of player that is going to be excellent at moving the puck in the right direction but won’t do the things that get fans excited (excellent passing, booming shot, crushing hits) and people will turn on him ala Petry, Gardiner, etc.

    Broberg and Podkolzin were the two most exciting players to watch at the Hlinka-Gretzky last August, and it wasn’t close.

  71. godot10 says:

    bwar:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I think that works if you run a 22 man roster.

    You are already running a “22 man” roster if Lucic is on the 23. If Lucic is around, the Oilers have no choice but 23 bodies.

  72. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I like Brah better: that’s what the cool kids say now instead of Bro

    If by cool you mean illiterate, this is correct.

    Btw what’s up with all these white boy suburban hipsters listening to gangsta rap and talking like they just got paroled? When the biggest problem in your life is your phone battery dying too quickly, you don’t have the street cred to pull off this Tupac & Biggie shtick imo.

    This concludes today’s rant. Old man will now shuffle back to his hole. 😤

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Where do we think Safin will play this year – normally I am against over-age seasons in junior for any “real prospect” but, given he lost essentially all of last year with injury (and was awful upon return), maybe an over-age season (with Lavoie) would be better than turning pro? If pro, he could be ECHL bound.

    I don’t believe his contract would slide if back in the CHL so that’s not a factor.

    If Holland keeps signing Europeans I don’t think there’s room in Bakersfield for Safin, making the decision an easy one.

  74. bwar says:

    godot10,

    Lucic is still fine in a limited role. Throw him out once a period to crash and bang with Kassian.

  75. Primetime says:

    Elliott off the board.

    $2 mill/1 year in Philly. Would have perfect here with that contract too

  76. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: If by cool you mean illiterate, this is correct.

    Btw what’s up with all these white boy suburban hipsters listening to gangsta rap and talking like they just got paroled? When the biggest problem in your life is your phone battery dying too quickly, you don’t have the street cred to pull off this Tupac & Biggie shtick imo.

    This concludes today’s rant. Old man will now shuffle back to his hole.

    Self proclaimed old white man complains about the lingo people use while using the word

    “gangsta”

    In the same complaint.

    Classic.

  77. ArmchairGM says:

    Primetime:
    Elliott off the board.

    $2 mill/1 year in Philly.Would have perfect here with that contract too

    Aim higher.

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Self proclaimed old white man complains about the lingo people use while using the word

    “gangsta”

    In the same complaint.

    Classic.

    Is that not the correct descriptor for that subgenre of music?

    Would the correct reference be gangster rap if one is caucasian? Is it one of those words where acceptable pronunciation is defined by the colour of your skin?

    I’m not being facetious. I honestly don’t know what the current morays are on this.

  79. Dustylegnd says:
  80. dustrock says:

    Bag of Pucks: Is that not the correct descriptor for that subgenre of music?

    rap is what you do in the song, hip hop is what you are listening to

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Elliott signs for $2MM

    That makes Mzarek ~2MM as well.

    $3MM is far too much.

  82. Ben says:

    No real reason for Nashville to do this, but JP for Saros is my #1 vaguely-plausible fantasy deal.

  83. silasbengtsson says:

    Glad to see names like Verhaeghe, Hartman and Joakim Ryan on the unqualified list. If they make it to UFA status, there’s potential for some real value to be had outta them. Wouldn’t mind exploring Noesen or Andrighetto, either (though they may not bring much value).

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    dustrock: rap is what you do in the song, hip hop is what you are listening to

    If we change ‘you’ to ‘someone else please’ that sentence makes a lot more sense to me.

    Remember the pre Kardashian / Trump days when people were claiming Kanye was a genius? Good times.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brian Elliot re-signs with the Flyers – scratch him off the list.

    No to Mike Smith.

  86. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Side,

    – Brah, I feel you: don’t hate the playah’ hate the game. Ok Brah?

  87. GMB3 says:

    bwar:
    godot10,

    Lucic is still fine in a limited role.Throw him out once a period to crash and bang with Kassian.

    Lol

  88. dustrock says:

    Bag of Pucks: If we change ‘you’ to ‘someone else please’ that sentence makes a lot more sense to me.

    Remember the pre Kardashian / Trump days when people were claiming Kanye was a genius? Good times.

    Fine, but I still don’t get the point of the onion tied to your belt.

  89. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Self proclaimed old white man complains about the lingo people use while using the word

    “gangsta”

    In the same complaint.

    Classic.

    Btw if we’re going to be pedantic, my post never claimed I was white.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    dustrock: Fine, but I still don’t get the point of the onion tied to your belt.

    I’ll buy that hip hop is progress when i see a single hip hop artist with a functional understanding of counterpoint.

    Not all artistic movements are progression. Some are regressive. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Going back to the roots is a valid direction. I just prefer not going backwards.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben:
    Brett Connolly’s very best season until this year was 27 points. Goals 5v5 look good, but $4×4 is a very steep bet.

    I’ll keep beating the drum: they need to find a fit for Kris Russell. He could either return the cap space to sign a 3C, or maybe even return a serviceable 3C or a G. No idea what the market is on him (WAS is very thin on D), but I’m surprised there hasn’t been more scuttlebutt.

    There has been tons of verbal on trading Russell – every day for months – many agree that he is the main disposition target for cap space.

    With that said, I don’t think he’s “returning” anything and the questions would be if the Oilers need to retain to dispose or can they get a clean $4M.

    With $2M retention, they may be able to get a serviceable piece back.

  92. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar: There has been tons of verbal on trading Russell

    From who? From us blog commenters? We’re not exactly newsmakers, OP.

    Holland’s regime has been (delightfully?) leaky so far. I haven’t heard any credible sources suggest he’s been actively pursuing a Russell move. But if you have, please share.

  93. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: I’ll buy that hip hop is progress when i see a single hip hop artist with a functional understanding of counterpoint.

    Not all artistic movements are progression. Some are regressive. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Going back to the roots is a valid direction. I just prefer not going backwards.

    I fear you are skating on rather thin ice, as it were. Maybe google the history of hip-hop? This music born with heavy influences free from western chord progression and pure, abject subjugation and poverty.

    Whilst as a genre, I don’t specifically listen to it, there are songs that I enjoy, and I certainly appreciate the artistry that goes into making it. If you don;t like it, fine. But saying it’s crap because you don’t like it is something Glov would say.

    It is perfectly possible to hate something and for it to be good. I mean, we love the Oilers and they’re crap.

  94. Wolfpack says:

    nvan97:
    Man, Broberg strikes me as the type of player that is going to be excellent at moving the puck in the right direction but won’t do the things that get fans excited (excellent passing, booming shot, crushing hits) and people will turn on him ala Petry, Gardiner, etc.

    Broberg = Eric Brewer?

  95. GMB3 says:

    Side: Self proclaimed old white man complains about the lingo people use while using the word

    “gangsta”

    In the same complaint.

    Classic.

    All those flavours and he chooses to be salty

  96. Alpine says:

    Bag of Pucks: Is that not the correct descriptor for that subgenre of music?

    Would the correct reference be gangster rap if one is caucasian? Is it one of those words where acceptable pronunciation is defined by the colour of your skin?

    I’m not being facetious. I honestly don’t know what the current morays are on this.

    It’s just hip-hop. If I can guess what you mean by “Gangsta rap”, that subgenre isn’t really as popular these days, even if the aesthetics aren’t always that different. Most rappers aren’t from gangs.

  97. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jethro Tull: I fear you are skating on rather thin ice, as it were.Maybe google the history of hip-hop?This music born with heavy influences free from western chord progression and pure, abject subjugation and poverty.

    Whilst as a genre, I don’t specifically listen to it, there are songs that I enjoy, and I certainly appreciate the artistry that goes into making it.If you don;t like it, fine. But saying it’s crap because you don’t like it is something Glov would say.

    It is perfectly possible to hate something and for it to be good.I mean, we love the Oilers and they’re crap.

    I didn’t say it was crap. I said it’s a regressive artform and it’s puzzling to me why white suburban males are emulating something so antithetical to their own cultural experiences. That may actually be escapism in its truest expression or an example of the increasing diversity of music consumption?

    I find this an interesting topic and there are some hip hop songs i enjoy. But I don’t buy Kanye is a genius and i think it’s a fair statement that a musical genre lacking in counterpoint lacks sophistication.

  98. Cassandra says:

    Dustylegnd: No need to apologize, the truth can not be debated, and let us review,

    How many of these over pays have a) changed the team in a meaningful way b) worked out on any level for the player

    Edmonton is where careers go to die, seriously who is the free agent that signed here and flourished???? anyone…anyone…Bueller???

    Our roster is grossly deficient, we are not 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 players away

    Needs:
    a) Legit #1 keeper
    b) PP quarter back
    c) right shot #2 D man
    d) 4 scoring wingers
    E) Third line center that can score above replacement

    I really dislike lists like this. It makes it seem that a team is like a recipe with players the required ingredients.

    But this is not true. and none of the things listed above are real. What the Oilers need is better players. As many as possible. For instance:

    What is the difference between a “legit” #1 keeper and a #1 keeper? What is the difference between a #1 Keeper and #2 keeper? They are just words that don’t reflect reality. The difference is reputation, price tag, and opportunity. If you restrict yourself to “proven” goalies you are almost always going to overpay.

    Why do the Oilers need a PP quarterback? Is this even a position? It isn’t of course. D don’t quarterback the powerplay, and even if they did there is no reason they couldn’t go with 5 F.

    The Oilers probably do need a RHD, but what is this #2 you speak of? There is no position called #2 D. They play on the same ice, largely against the same competition. What you mean is that the Oilers need good players. But we already knew that. #2 gives the sense of false precision and artificially bins players into categories that don’t fit their performance.

    What is a scoring winger? Isn’t it everyone’s job to score? A winger that doesn’t score is a replacement player and should be replaced. Every winger on the team should be a scoring winger.

    What is a 3rd line center? Is a 3rd line center a bad 2nd line center or a good 4th line center? Someone here tried to convince me that Kadri is a 3rd line center. Which is nonsense, of course. The center on the “3rd line” doesn’t do anything differently than the center on the “2nd” line other than play less. Why don’t we just get a good center and let everything play out instead of limiting ambitions with artificial labels.

    Building a team is not done with a shopping list. This heuristic is what led Chiarelli and Tambellini to make so many mistakes.

  99. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Btw if we’re going to be pedantic, my post never claimed I was white.

    There is a subgenre known as Gangster Rap or Gangsta Rap.

    Just found it amusing how ‘gangsta’ is slang for ‘gangster’ and, as a self proclaimed old (white?) man, you chose to use the slang terminology.

  100. Ben says:

    Cassandra,

    Whoa…like, what is even *real* man?

  101. silasbengtsson says:

    Wolfpack: Broberg = Eric Brewer?

    I prefer Broberg ~= Hampus Lindholm

  102. OilFire says:

    Ben:
    Cassandra,

    Whoa…like, what is even *real* man?

    That depends on what the meaning of “is” is

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ben:
    Stauffer saying (in sloppily-coded Stauffer-ese) that the Oilers will buy someone out.

    My guess is they buy out Sekera to sign Varlamov to a too-rich deal. (I would very much disapprove of this.)

    A smart team like TB would then steal Sekera at $2×2.

    Stauffer has been on the record for about a month or more stating that 1 for sure and possibly 2 of the Oilers starting six dmen from 2018-19 will not be on the roster to start the 2019-20 season.

  104. deardylan says:

    Lots of LOLs today reading the LT gangstas rapping and creating a new subsubgenre of shadowboxing. Put it to music and continue the circle of creation…

  105. Primetime says:

    Luongo retires…recapture penalty to Canucks (ha!).

    That is definitely going to affect them re: free agents (eg Myers), but doesnit make it more or less likely to want Lucic?

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: There is a subgenre known as Gangster Rap or Gangsta Rap.

    Just found it amusing how ‘gangsta’ is slang for ‘gangster’ and, as a self proclaimed old (white?) man, you chose to use the slang terminology.

    I’m glad you found the post amusing. That was its intent!

  107. deardylan says:

    Take these discussions and play them over a mix of hockey sounds and who knows what art will happen next…

  108. Alpine says:

    Bag of Pucks: I didn’t say it was crap. I said it’s a regressive artform and it’s puzzling to me why white suburban males are emulating something so antithetical to their own cultural experiences. That may actually be escapism in its truest expression or an example of the increasing diversity of music consumption?

    I find this an interesting topic and there are some hip hop songs i enjoy. But I don’t buy Kanye is a genius and i think it’s a fair statement that a musical genre lacking in counterpoint lacks sophistication.

    Are there any specifically suburban genres of music? I think most genres have a urban bent to them as urban areas produce the most music. Most studios and venues are in cities.

    What should suburban males be listening to and why should it be confined to something that lines up with them culturally? Again, a lot of rappers grow up in the suburbs. The genre has enough variation these days that it shouldn’t have to be pigeon-holed.

  109. John Chambers says:

    Pretty good article from Yost ranking teams’ drafting record from 2007-2017:
    https://www.tsn.ca/miller-trade-the-result-of-vancouver-s-past-draft-failures-1.1327724

    The article focuses on what a lousy drafting team the Canucks have been, and contrast them with the league’s gold-standard Tampa Bay Lightning.

    Oilers are ranked as the 6th best drafting team over the period, driven entirely by the fact we’ve had THE ABSOLUTE BEST drafting position, and yet had 5 other clubs out-drafted the Oilers despite hitting from the ladies’ tees.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Primetime:
    Luongo retires…recapture penalty to Canucks (ha!).

    That is definitely going to affect them re: free agents (eg Myers), but doesnit make it more or less likely to want Lucic?

    I think its $3M X 3

  111. Material Elvis says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Remember the pre Kardashian / Trump days when people were claiming Kanye was a genius? Good times.

    I remember Kanye making that claim. I also remember the “Fish Sticks” episode…..

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    bwar:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Cap can work signing Connolly at 3.5 and Mrazek at 3.Haas at $1M, Benson, Marody Currie and Jones in the NHL.Persson, Brodziak, Manning in the AHL.Cap comes out at $81,407,832, pretty tight but still under.

    Having each of Benson, Marody and Currie in the NHL lineup at the same time (before injuries) is, well, YIKES!

    Not to mention, I don’t think Connolly comes in the low nor Mrazek.

  113. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: Stauffer has been on the record for about a month or more stating that 1 for sure and possibly 2 of the Oilers starting six dmen from 2018-19 will not be on the roster to start the 2019-20 season.

    – Do other teams have a “Bob Stauffer”? In Hockey or any other sport? Asking for a friend.

    – What my friend means is a guy who does commentating, but is also an “insider”?

  114. Material Elvis says:

    Ben:
    Cassandra,

    Whoa…like, what is even *real* man?

    Running a hockey team is like stepping into the Matrix.

  115. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think its $3M X 3

    3.03 x 3.

    That’s awesome!

  116. Turning Tikkanese says:

    OilFire: That depends on what the meaning of “is” is

    It is what it is. Unless it’s not, then that’s something else entirely.

  117. ArmchairGM says:

    Ryan: 3.03 x 3.

    That’s awesome!

    And they still have some of Luongo’s retained salary on the books too, unless Capfriendly just hasn’t updated their profile yet. It totals $3,833,206 annually.

    Couldn’t have happened to a better team.

  118. dustrock says:

    Bag of Pucks: I didn’t say it was crap. I said it’s a regressive artform and it’s puzzling to me why white suburban males are emulating something so antithetical to their own cultural experiences. That may actually be escapism in its truest expression or an example of the increasing diversity of music consumption?

    I find this an interesting topic and there are some hip hop songs i enjoy. But I don’t buy Kanye is a genius and i think it’s a fair statement that a musical genre lacking in counterpoint lacks sophistication.

    Edit: nevermind, not worth it.

  119. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Do other teams have a “Bob Stauffer”?In Hockey or any other sport?Asking for a friend.

    – What my friend means is a guy who does commentating, but is also an “insider”?

    Amazing isn’t it, and he has a 2 hour variety show to boot…also very strange….did you know he used to plant trees in Northern BC and used to look like Tom Cruise????

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    test

  121. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: I didn’t say it was crap. I said it’s a regressive artform and it’s puzzling to me why white suburban males are emulating something so antithetical to their own cultural experiences. That may actually be escapism in its truest expression or an example of the increasing diversity of music consumption?

    I find this an interesting topic and there are some hip hop songs i enjoy. But I don’t buy Kanye is a genius and i think it’s a fair statement that a musical genre lacking in counterpoint lacks sophistication.

    Can you elaborate on “lacking counterpoint”? In what way? The musical way of overlaying melodies? Well, there are plenty of genres that lack this, or more accurately, can either have it or not. Hip-hop can and does have counterpoint in some songs.

    I never said Kanye was a genius, nor asked you to buy it. Can’t stand the guy myself, but that fact he’s got to where he is garners respect if not your approval.

    Do you not think that by, as you claim, suburban white males listening to this music, and therefore the problems of the disaffected actually engenders empathy which will lead to greater community cohesion in the future?

    The thing is, you seem to be a “stay in your lane” kind of person, which is cool. But why should anyone? As long as these kids are respectful and don’t cause anyone harm, what’s the problem? Or do you think a kid that just listened to Straight Outta Compton is going to shoot a cop? We have to be very careful of the fine line between “imitation is the highest form of flattery” and “take that headdress off NOW.”

    There’s also a hint of hypocrisy here: You are a fan of a sport where it’s main protagonists are paid millions of dollars a year and live lifestyles that you cannot (without reason) ever hope to emulate. And have you felt the urge to strap on skates and join McDavid on the ice? Where’s the counterpoint in Hockey? If, as you say, the white boys shouldn’t listen to music of black origins, then maybe you shouldn’t watch a sport invented by either aboriginal North Americans, Scandinavians or British Soldiers and Sailors in the Falklands, depending on who you believe (why can’t it be all three?) as you probably aren’t any of these things.

  122. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Is there anything Bob Stauffer didn’t do or can’t do?

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hmmmm, having sit issues – think its a reply with quite issue.

    Nice to see Carr on the Oilers radar – I’ve been pumping him as an option for months now.

  124. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    test

    pass!

  125. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: Having each of Benson, Marody and Currie in the NHL lineup at the same time (before injuries) is, well, YIKES!

    It’s a whole lot better than having Lucic, Brodziak and Cave in the lineup.

  126. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    You’ve made some broad sweeping generalizations here, but I’m going to infer that as a listener you lack the sophistication to offer an informed commentary, and are looking for some insight.

    There are myriad hip hop groups/artists with progressive, non ghetto centric rhymes that eschew the gangsta aesthetic. Some talk about street life without glorifying thug life, others not at all. Take some time to listen to groups including, but not limited to: Blackalicious, J-Live, A Tribe Called Quest, De la Soul, Del tha Funky Homosapien, Atmosphere, Gang Starr, Digable Planets, Jurassic5, Common, Mos Def, The Roots, DJ Shadow, MF Doom, Rakim… I could go on for an age. This is, largely, the hip hop ignored by popular radio, much to my chagrin. The level of sophistication is off the charts, even if the genre is not to your taste.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Awesome letter to the fans from Bobby Lou – how do you not love this guy?

    https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/luongos-open-letter-to-the-fans/c-308071408

    There’s a lot I want to say.

    This is one of the toughest decisions I’ve faced in my life and it took me a long time to make it.

    After thinking about it a lot over the past two months and listening to my body, I made up my mind. It just feels like the right time for me to step away from the game.

    I love the game so much, but the commitment I required to prepare, to keep my body ready, has become overwhelming. Since I had my hip surgery a couple of years ago, I’ve been showing up two hours before every practice and three hours before every game to work out my hip. Even at night, whether it was the night before a game or even a night off, there I was rolling out, doing strengthening exercises. My entire life revolved around recovery, strengthening and making sure I was ready to go the next day.

    I was willing to make that sacrifice because I love the game, I love being part of it, being in the action and competing with my teammates. I was willing to go through it all for my love of hockey.

    After this season ended and I had an opportunity to step away, I started thinking about things. Looking back at last season, I just wasn’t happy with my performance. I played better in the second half, but it wasn’t up to the standards I expect of myself on a nightly basis. I wanted to be the backstop, to give my team a chance to win every night. I wanted to be on top of my game, stealing wins. It just wasn’t there, at least not as much as I wanted it to be.

    As May rolled around, I was looking at the calendar and I found myself dreading getting back into my routine. My offseason workouts always start in the third week of May and I wasn’t looking forward to getting back in the gym. There’s a lot of work and effort required and I found my body telling me that it didn’t want to go through it.

    Then thinking about getting onto the ice in late July, for the first time in my career, I wasn’t excited about it. That was the sign for me. It’s not that I don’t love playing hockey anymore, but I had to listen to my body. I’m at the point where my body was telling me it just needed a rest. It didn’t really want to get going.

    So I’ve decided to retire, and it’s been really tough. One of the hardest things I’ve gone through in making this decision was when I told Gianni and Gabriella, my kids. Seeing them cry when I told them about it because they loved coming to the games and watching me play so much, it really broke my heart. We cried together. It was hard, it was really sad.

    It’s also hard because I live to compete. We play the game to win the Stanley Cup, to give ourselves a chance. It’s hard because I think that this team is right there, close to taking the next step. I wanted nothing more than to be a part of that. With Coach Q coming in, it’s an exciting time for the Florida Panthers.

    That made it more complicated and it wasn’t something I took lightly. I questioned it, should I give it one more shot? Should I take one more chance to go for it?

    Talking to my friends, my family, everyone that I know, they were all telling me to go try and play one more year. Even though the people I love and trust the most were saying I should go for it, it never really swayed my decision. That was another sign, and there have been a lot of them over the past couple of months that made it clear to me that retiring was the right decision.

    I owe a lot to the people who’ve helped me reach this point. My wife Gina, she’s always been there for me, she’s the love of my life and the rock of my family. My brothers Leo and Fabio for the late-night calls and their council during ups and downs in my career. My parents, for all the sacrifices they made over the years, especially in my childhood when they’d find a way to carve out time they didn’t have to bring me to rinks all across Quebec. And my in-laws, each one of them, for embracing me like family before I’d even met my wife.

    I’ve also been blessed to work with some great coaches. When I was young, trying to make a name for myself and got drafted, Frankie Allaire was there helping me. Ian Clark is one of the best goalie coaches I’ve ever worked with and helped me a lot during my time in Vancouver. Rollie Melanson too, he played a big part during my later years in Vancouver. And Robb Tallas, the last few years in Florida, we developed a great friendship and a special connection. He always had a good sense of the mental side of my game. He just knew how to get me to where I needed to be to be at my best.

    The list of great players I was lucky to share the ice with and great guys I was lucky to spend time in the locker room with goes on and on, whether it was in Florida, Vancouver or with Team Canada. In Vancouver, I played with the Sedin twins and Alex Burrows, who became one of my best friends. In Florida – it makes me feel old to say it – but I played with Pavel Bure in my first stint, and my second time around I got to play with one of the best players in the league in Sasha Barkov.

    The Panthers teams I’ve spent the past few years with, there’s so many great guys in the room – I don’t want to name anybody, because I don’t want to forget anybody – but there’s so many great people on this team. And that’s hard too, because I’m going to miss being around my teammates and going to battle with them every night.

    And obviously there’s the fans, everybody who has supported me over the years. I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart. My life in this sport has been a great experience, and I’m glad I got to share some of my best hockey memories – from the Stanley Cup Final run, to the Olympic gold medal – with the fans in Vancouver.

    I want to take a moment to thank the people of Vancouver. I’ll never forget the impact that city and their fans made not only on my career, but on my life as well. They will always hold a special place in my heart.

    Down here in Florida, I’ve been able to make this place home. It’s the best place to live in the world and the fans have always been so warm and welcoming. When I’m out in Parkland, they’re always going out of their way to thank me for what I did on the ice and for what I did off of it in addressing the community in the wake of the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas last year. It has always warmed my heart to hear those kind words from fans, and they’ve always had so many nice things to say to me about how I impacted them, in some small way.

    I’m building a home in Parkland and it’s going to be my family’s permanent home for the rest of our time on this earth. I’m proud to be a Parkland resident. We’ve been through a lot, but we came together. We’ve tried to heal together and we’ve tried to make our community and our world a better place.

    Now I suppose I have to tell you what comes next, but to be honest, I’m not really sure yet. Right now, for me, the most important thing is to take a couple of months off: let my body rest, enjoy some time with family, be home with the kids every day. We’re moving into a new house in late July, so it’s going to be pretty busy. Eventually, hockey is in my blood and I still want to be involved somehow, whatever it may be.

    Once I’ve had some time to process this and make the adjustment, I’d love to be part of the Panthers organization. This is where my home is and I still love and want to be involved with hockey. At the end of the day, maybe I didn’t win the Stanley Cup on the ice, but perhaps I can still put my name on it in another way. It wouldn’t be quite the same, but it would still be quite the accomplishment.

    As I go through that process, I don’t really want to spend every day talking about this decision. I’ll have more to say eventually, but I’m looking for some privacy as I spend time with my family and reflect on my career. Down the road we’ll have a lot of time to discuss retirement and what’s to come in the future.

    For now though, I’m just another retiree in South Florida. I’ll be going to get my senior citizen’s card here pretty soon.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    My take is that Washington qualified him so that they could retain his rights and trade him for another asset. I don’t think Burakovsky will sign the offer, so the dollars and term of the QO mean nothing. He still remains an unsigned RFA in this case, and his rights can be traded just like any other RFA, and a new contract negotiated as normal.

    Does he think he’ll get more than $3.25M in one on one team negotiatons?

    I think he’ll sign it.

  129. Ben says:

    Hope they can get Connolly on a VAN Luongo-recapture deal.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben:
    Stauffer saying (in sloppily-coded Stauffer-ese) that the Oilers will buy someone out.

    My guess is they buy out Sekera to sign Varlamov to a too-rich deal. (I would very much disapprove of this.)

    A smart team like TB would then steal Sekera at $2×2.

    Buying out Sekera would be egregious – given Holland has mentioned Sekera numerous times in a positive light and a big factor in how the D should improve internally this year, I don’t see it happening.

    Buying him out in the name of big contract to Varlamov is even more egregious and I would have a bit turn in my view of our new GM and his plan.

  131. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: And they still have some of Luongo’s retained salary on the books too, unless Capfriendly just hasn’t updated their profile yet. It totals $3,833,206 annually.

    Couldn’t have happened to a better team.

    Actually, the $800 k was retained salary which now disappears making the effective cap hit going forward at just over $2 million.

  132. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does he think he’ll get more than $3.25M in one on one team negotiatons?

    I think he’ll sign it.

    Maybe. I don’t think he’s happy with the 4th line thing though and might look elsewhere for a bit more term and a lot more opportunity.

  133. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stauffer was throwing around $3M x 3 for Connolly. The Boyd Gordon contract, if you will.

    A texter asked about Gusev, and he completely disregarded. Shame, he’d be a fantastic target at the right price.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben: From who? From us blog commenters? We’re not exactly newsmakers, OP.

    Holland’s regime has been (delightfully?) leaky so far. I haven’t heard any credible sources suggest he’s been actively pursuing a Russell move. But if you have, please share.

    There hasn’t been a credible rumor about any current player under contract being moved except for Jesse (well, not under contract but rights retained). The org hasn’t even spoken about Holland trying to get rid of Lucic. Of course they are trying to get rid of some players with cap but, of course, they aren’t speaking to it.

  135. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jethro Tull: Can you elaborate on “lacking counterpoint”?In what way? The musical way of overlaying melodies?Well, there are plenty of genres that lack this, or more accurately, can either have it or not. Hip-hop can and does have counterpoint in some songs.

    I never said Kanye was a genius, nor asked you to buy it.Can’t stand the guy myself, but that fact he’s got to where he is garners respect if not your approval.

    Do you not think that by, as you claim, suburban white males listening to this music, and therefore the problems of the disaffected actually engenders empathy which will lead to greater community cohesion in the future?

    The thing is, you seem to be a “stay in your lane” kind of person, which is cool. But why should anyone? As long as these kids are respectful and don’t cause anyone harm, what’s the problem?Or do you think a kid that just listened to Straight Outta Compton is going to shoot a cop? We have to be very careful of the fine line between “imitation is the highest form of flattery” and “take that headdress off NOW.”

    There’s also a hint of hypocrisy here: You are a fan of a sport where it’s main protagonists are paid millions of dollars a year and live lifestyles that you cannot (without reason) ever hope to emulate. And have you felt the urge to strap on skates and join McDavid on the ice? Where’s the counterpoint in Hockey? If, as you say, the white boys shouldn’t listen to music of black origins, then maybe you shouldn’t watch a sport invented by either aboriginal North Americans, Scandinavians or British Soldiers and Sailors in the Falklands, depending on who you believe (why can’t it be all three?) as you probably aren’t any of these things.

    With counterpoint, I’m taking about the compositional technique of layering distinct but compatible melodic or harmonic ideas. There is rhythmic counterpoint or syncopation in many hip hop songs but melodic counterpoint is the more challenging endeavour and the one more associated with the genius tag.

    You make a good point that exposure to these themes may help to improve cultural empathy or understanding. Suspect sone of it is just living out the thug fantasy for many living a fairly mundane existence.

    Much of this post is inferring or projecting opinions that I simply never stated in my posts. So I’m not going to belabor the topic by defending these misinterpretations.

  136. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Actually, the $800 k was retained salary which now disappears making the effective cap hit going forward at just over $2 million.

    Just over $3 you mean?

    Edit: capfriendly has now removed the retained salary, so $3,033,206 is the correct total cap hit due to recapture penalties.

  137. Bag of Pucks says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bag of Pucks,

    You’ve made some broad sweeping generalizations here, but I’m going to infer that as a listener you lack the sophistication to offer an informed commentary, and are looking for some insight.

    There are myriad hip hop groups/artists with progressive, non ghetto centric rhymes that eschew the gangsta aesthetic. Some talk about street life without glorifying thug life, others not at all. Take some time to listen to groups including, but not limited to: Blackalicious, J-Live, A Tribe Called Quest, De la Soul, Del tha Funky Homosapien, Atmosphere, Gang Starr, Digable Planets, Jurassic5, Common, Mos Def, The Roots, DJ Shadow, MF Doom, Rakim… I could go on for an age. This is, largely, the hip hop ignored by popular radio, much to my chagrin. The level of sophistication is off the charts, even if the genre is not to your taste.

    Thanks for the recommendations. My sons and future daughter in laws are all over this so i do get a fair amount through ozmosis as well. 😊

  138. Munny says:

    I don’t think they should sign Connelly unless the number is less than $4M.

    There are two possible scenarios with him besides the straight-up offer/accept case:

    1. Oilers are the highest bid and he still signs elsewhere
    2. The Oilers aren’t the highest bid and he still signs with the Oil.

    #2 is of course the preferable one. I imagine Holland has a good feel for it after talking to his camp.

    Also–as much as it pains to me to say it–I would be talking to Perry and finding out what he wants on a one year deal to play on McDeity’s wing and pump his value to the League. If you can get him at, or even better under, $3M, well…

    I’d also be considering the rumoured Nurse trade to Toronto, but only if Kadri can be had. 3C is a glaring hole right now.

    I’d also be seeing what player that Pujo combined with a 1st, or even better with Russell (up to $1M retained) and/or a 1st could bring. Does Pujo, Lucic (nothing retained) and a 1st get you Brandon Sutter? Pujo + Lucic with retained and no 1st? I’d consider it if so, and might even buy Sutter out, save the $2.5M, depending on what else was going on with the roster.

    And finally (for this post anyway), I’d also be talking long and hard to the Darling camp once he is bought out to find out his status. IF he has re-committed to sobriety, has rehabbed, is willing to take on his own personal counsellor paid for by Katz, and submit to weekly testing, I’d give him $800k to be the backup and reclaim his life. We have Kassian to help too. This is by far the cheapest (and admittedly riskiest) solution to 1A Goalie so it is worth exploring. If Darling is presently in a bar knocking back Tokillyas, then it ain’t there and fair enough. But it could also be a home run.

    I’m not saying do all these things. I’m just saying these are options that Holland should look at.

  139. Chris says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I agree that the buyout penalty drifting into next year is annoying. I tend to think Holland probably is not inclined to let the team largely ride for a year. He has indicated a desire to make changes and given the team was not particularly good last year so it’s easy to see why. I think the difficulty he faces is that Chia didn’t leave him much room to maneuver. To bring anyone in and the media seems to be heavily foreshadowing that it’s Connolly and Mrazek and filling the rest of the roster out you probably need to free up some room. Gagner, Russell, Lucic are the contracts you’d like to move out somehow. Gagner is the only one you’d think about buying up to create space, if you can move Russell for a less expensive player maybe that eliminates the need. Ideally you could dump Lucic on some sucker somewhere such as if Vancouver hires Chiarelli but we can only hope to be so lucky.

  140. godot10 says:

    Wolfpack: Broberg = Eric Brewer?

    Not a good comparable. Brewer didn’t lug the puck And had basically no offensive instincts.

  141. Bag of Pucks says:

    Alpine: Are there any specifically suburban genres of music? I think most genres have a urban bent to them as urban areas produce the most music. Most studios and venues are in cities.

    What should suburban males be listening to and why should it be confined to something that lines up with them culturally? Again, a lot of rappers grow up in the suburbs. The genre has enough variation these days that it shouldn’t have to be pigeon-holed.

    The puzzling nature of this to me is not the listening. Listen to whatever makes you happy. It’s the emulation of the lingo and lifestyle far beyond the listening experience. I get that a vicarious metaphorical stroll through Compton is probably fascinating for your average suburban vanilla drone. We all like to temporarily escape to somewhere different.

    It’s the need to extend the escape into one’s own cultural milieu that i find strange. Like the white rapper character in Trailer Park Boys or people that dress up for cos play. When does playing pretend become arrested development or is that ‘stay in your lane’ thinking? Quite possibly.

  142. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull: I fear you are skating on rather thin ice, as it were.Maybe google the history of hip-hop?This music born with heavy influences free from western chord progression and pure, abject subjugation and poverty.

    Whilst as a genre, I don’t specifically listen to it, there are songs that I enjoy, and I certainly appreciate the artistry that goes into making it.If you don;t like it, fine. But saying it’s crap because you don’t like it is something Glov would say.

    It is perfectly possible to hate something and for it to be good.I mean, we love the Oilers and they’re crap.

    What would be the genre of “Bullet and a Target” by Citizen Cope. I love that song.

  143. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I’m of a certain (read: older) vintage than the youngns on the come up these days. So you may find some historical context in those groups useful for a contemporary comparison of the state of modern hip hop which folks such as myself would generously characterize as being in decline. Golden Era hip hop, as it is commonly referred to. These days it’s all about mumble rap, which is… in a word: garbage.

    Give some of those groups a listen. You may be surprised.

  144. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    LOL!!

    Stauffer pulls a Strudwick and mentions the elusive 4th Godfather film.

  145. Bag of Pucks says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Will do but will admit that for me, hip hop is like tequila in the morning. A little goes a long way.

  146. Munny says:

    Tonight, I will be running a Name that Tune at my local. Crowd is 30-55 yrs of age, weighted to the older end and usually all Caucasian.

    I have two Hip Hop songs selected to go tonight. They will hate me for it, but they typically hate me more when I insert a couple of Country songs. I usually go with a couple from one genre or the other to keep them on their toes.

    First is Jump by Kriss Kross. The other will be easier, Yeah! by Usher.

    It’s only about 10 seconds out of their life, so they’ll survive, lol.

  147. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Hip Hp Evolution on Netflix is a fantastic take on the historical development of the genre.

    Like all music Hip-Hop is a dense broad genre who’s development is non-linear and far from geographically isolated. The backstories of developing the genre, crossing into mainstream and of course a very interesting (and multicultural) cast of characters that pushed and pulled it from different sides sort of blew my mind.

    For contemporary guys Kendrick Lamar is the gold standard for now, nabbed himself a Pulitzer for DAMN (i still think To Pimp a Butterfly is a better album) a year ago which is something else. Anderson Paak has also been consistently good.

    Agreed the aspect of adopting a romanticized immersion into non-suburban culture by young folks is sort of odd but that phenomenon was discussed quite well in hip hop form by one Eminem in his early 2000’s albums (the last few have been ummm well ya… ya).

  148. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bob Stauffers passing comments today

    A buyout is possible (spent ALOT of time explainingg the rational of buyouts. saying its a different rational for every team, alluding to and asking guests about buyouts.)

    Said in passing ….Buying out Benning for example

    Having been qualified Burakovsky can be traded for

    What would anybody do on Connolly 3×3 ? 3×4 ?

    A backup goaltender in the $2.5m range

    Bobs Guests: Chaisson might be on the radar of the Washington Capitals who know how extract value out of low price contracts

    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while 5on5, were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better off signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

  149. Dustylegnd says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Dustylegnd,

    Is there anything Bob Stauffer didn’t do or can’t do?

    HIs tears cure cancer….unfortunately Bob has never cried

  150. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    Buying out Benning for example

    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while at 5on5 were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better of signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

    That’s crazy shit right there.

  151. Buddy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    High-stepping Philip Broberg works up a head of steam. Buddy can really motor, making most (not quite all) of the skating & agility drills look easy. pic.twitter.com/VOp24QbOQ5 — Bruce McCurdy (@BruceMcCurdy) June 24, 2019

    Petition to keep Broberg’s nick-name “Buddy”.

    Buddy Broberg.If that isn’t the name of a guy can win, I don’t know what is.

    Just reading through the thread now, but obviously I have to agree wholeheartedly with this early comment.

    Why do you think I named my son Buddy Jr.?

  152. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ok, CapFriendly’s Armchair GM is an excellent way to occupy my non-existent spare time. What can we do with this mess?

    Grudgingly accept that we need to buy out Gagner. Sail on sir.

    That helps a bit as does the fact that Puljujarvi is going to Finland to rebuild his confidence and his market value.

    Sign Khiria for 2 x $1.2M (a little higher than @EvolvingWild predicts). Waive Brodziak to Bakersfield, any takers – great – but expect to bury all but $75K of his slow-footed salary.

    Now the big leap, deal Lucic, Manning and next year’s 2nd for Eriksson. Vancouver was apparently “interested/willing to take Manning” and the 2nd sweetens the year of Manning and the extra year of Lucic. Don’t think this is unrealistic given the principals desire for new situations. Lucic is going home and Eriksson is rejoining a coach that he knows.

    Sign Connolly at 3yrs x $3.75M. Higher than @EvolvingWild predicts but not quite the 4x$4 in the press. Jaskin 2x$1.25M, Andrighetto 2x$1.5M and Pirri 1x$1.25M (all a little higher than @EvolvingWild predictions but not longer). Add Gaetan Haas at 1x$700K. as yet another lottery ticket.

    In net, I don’t have a sense of what the market actually is but I think I read someone suggest 3x$3 for Mrazek – which is probably high but, well, Edmonton tax.

    This gives us the following:

    Drai $8.5 – McDavid $12.5 – Kassian $1.95
    Khaira $1.25 – Nuge $6.0 – Connolly $3.75
    Erikkson $6.0 – Haas $.700 – Jaskin $1.25
    Nygard $.925 – Cave $.675 – Andrighetto $1.5
    Pirri $1.25

    Klef $4.2 – Larsson $4.2
    Nurse $3.2 – Russell $4.0
    Sekera $5.5 – Benning $1.95
    Persson $1.0

    Koskinen $4.5
    Mrazek $3.0

    The cap hit comes in at about $80.4M with a million or so wiggle space.

    You have a set up that allows the kids from Benson, Yammo and Marody up front and the whole team of bubbling blue (Jones, Bouchard, Laggesson and Bear) to have a cup of coffee or two without being asked to carry too much of the load. If they beat out the signed veterans, what a great problem to have.

    Don’t know if this is a playoff team, but it certainly isn’t a Cup contender, but the gamble is that the defense doesn’t break down to the same extent as last year. Every team has health as the big IF and when you add a better start to the season, Holland’s stated goal of competing for a playoff spot in March doesn’t seem to be a stretch.

  153. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jason Gregor.

    Sign Connolly? Sure.

    But warning. Hes NEVER been a top 6 winger.

    He excels in 3rd line role at 13mins.

    So hire him as a 3rd line winger who “moonlights” in your top 6.

    When your team is good, Connolly is a 3rd line winger.

    Be VERY careful on term!

  154. Numenius says:

    Andy Dufresne: Buying out Benning for example

    Strange comment by Stauffer. Surely Benning has enough value and a low enough cap hit that some team would take him for nothing at the very least.

  155. npanciroli says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Our winger depth is so bad he’s automatic top 6 for us.

  156. Andy Dufresne says:

    Numenius: Strange comment by Stauffer. Surely Benning has enough value and a low enough cap hit that some team would take him for nothing at the very least.

    My sense is maybe he was alluding to buying out a Dman and didnt want to use the real canidate name so used Benning precisely because it would be known as absurd.

    Its the only explanation that makes sense to me.

  157. Munny says:

    How much do you think Holland has been relying on Hitchcock to get intel on present roster players’ capabilities? I imagine it’s a fair chunk.

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    npanciroli:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Our winger depth is so bad he’s automatic top 6 for us.

    I got the sense that Gregor agrees with you, but looks at it like “on a good team” hes a 3rd liner so a) pay him like a 3rd liner and b) avoid term (nothing over 3) .

    That way once your team improves Connolly can be retained in a 3RW position for that last year.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben:
    Hope they can get Connolly on a VAN Luongo-recapture deal.

    Ha!

  160. Numenius says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Ah, that would make more sense.

  161. Alpine says:

    Bag of Pucks: The puzzling nature of this to me is not the listening. Listen to whatever makes you happy. It’s the emulation of the lingo and lifestyle far beyond the listening experience. I get that a vicarious metaphorical stroll through Compton is probably fascinating for your average suburban vanilla drone. We all like to temporarily escape to somewhere different.

    It’s the need to extend the escape into one’s own cultural milieu that i find strange. Like the white rapper character in Trailer Park Boys or people that dress up for cos play. When does playing pretend become arrested development or is that ‘stay in your lane’ thinking? Quite possibly.

    I think the extent to which people emulate the culture varies greatly and I’m not sure it’s super common for the young and white demographic to take the emulation too far.

    I’d also say partaking in the culture is much more blurry because hip-hop culture is so much more varied than say, strolling through Compton. That’s just one of many storylines of the genre.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Maybe. I don’t think he’s happy with the 4th line thing though and might look elsewhere for a bit more term and a lot more opportunity.

    I guess that’s possible – would be pretty risky as he may not get close to $3.25M – maybe he could get term but, in that case, I’m almost certain it won’t be anywhere near the $3.25M average.

    Remember, if he signs for $3.25M, his QO next year will be that. If he signs for 2 X 2.75M, I think he’ll still be an RFA but his QO will be $2.75M.

  163. GMB3 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Bob Stauffers passing comments today

    A buyout is possible(spent ALOT of time explainingg the rational of buyouts. saying its a different rational for every team, alluding to and asking guests about buyouts.)

    Said in passing ….Buying out Benning for example

    Having been qualified Burakovsky can be traded for

    What would anybody do on Connolly 3×3 ?3×4 ?

    A backup goaltender in the $2.5m range

    Bobs Guests:Chaisson might be on the radar of the Washington Capitals who know how extract value out of low price contracts

    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while 5on5, were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better off signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

    You watched 100% of his goals?

  164. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while 5on5, were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better off signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

    I haven’t been advocating Connolly, but what is wrong with scoring 90% of one’s goals from within a foot of the blue paint. That kinda actually sounds like a good thing.

  165. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    How much do you think Holland has been relying on Hitchcock to get intel on present roster players’ capabilities?I imagine it’s a fair chunk.

    I hope Tippett has been studying the tape of every player for every game they have every played and got his favourite advanced stats on every player.

  166. PennersPancakes says:

    godot10: I haven’t been advocating Connolly, but what is wrong with scoring 90% of one’s goals from within a foot of the blue paint.That kinda actually sounds like a good thing.

    Agree with you.

    BREAKING NEWS: Goal scorer goes to more effective areas on ice to score more goals. More at 11.

    I dont know why is shooting from close a bad thing? Not everyone can be the Patrick Laines or Ovechkins of the NHL. Its near impossible to beat a goalie clean from distance now. Majority of the leagues goals are scored close to the net especially considering rebounds and tip ins…

  167. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: I haven’t been advocating Connolly, but what is wrong with scoring 90% of one’s goals from within a foot of the blue paint.That kinda actually sounds like a good thing.

    Just what Nuge needs – someone to go to the net.

  168. ArmchairGM says:

    PennersPancakes: Agree with you.

    BREAKING NEWS: Goal scorer goes to more effective areas on ice to score more goals. More at 11.

    I dont know why is shooting from close a bad thing? Not everyone can be the Patrick Laines or Ovechkins of the NHL. Its near impossible to beat a goalie clean from distance now. Majority of the leagues goals are scored close to the net especially considering rebounds and tip ins…

    It’s not true anyhow, if you watch his highlights you’ll see he can score multiple ways.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov will head back home to Russia once development camp ends. He’ll come back to Edmonton mid-summer and train with the Oilers strength and conditioning group ahead of his first professional campaign.

    Bouchard will head back home to Oakville and work with skating coaches Greg Moore and Vanessa Crone. Improving his edge work, getting back on pucks faster and making quicker decisions are the areas on which he’s focusing.

    As per Howson via Nugent-Bowman.

    Everyone should subscribe to The Athletic!

  170. Material Elvis says:

    A Benning buyout? That’s just sheer stupidity.

  171. GMB3 says:

    Why would a player have his agent structure a buyout proof contract like Lucic? Couldn’t he technically be collecting cheque’s from 2 teams if he was bought out and signed a deal for like 1.5/1??

  172. Primetime says:

    Munny:
    How much do you think Holland has been relying on Hitchcock to get intel on present roster players’ capabilities?I imagine it’s a fair chunk.

    Do you think that would be a good thing or a bad thing? I kind of wish they would just cut ties with anyone involved pre-Holland and just start from the beginning, including Hitch and Howson

  173. Henry says:

    godot10: I haven’t been advocating Connolly, but what is wrong with scoring 90% of one’s goals from within a foot of the blue paint.That kinda actually sounds like a good thing.

    Ales Hemsky scored most of his goals from inside the paint. Got to the paint in style too.

  174. PennersPancakes says:

    GMB3:
    Why would a player have his agent structure a buyout proof contract like Lucic? Couldn’t he technically be collecting cheque’s from 2 teams if he was bought out and signed a deal for like 1.5/1??

    I would imagine that the idea isnt to make it buyout proof but rather lockout proof. Whether the league plays or not signing bonuses get paid out. This can also be a plus for players getting a lump sum payment earlier rather than throughout the year.

    It is just a giant pain in the ass that signing bonuses dont get discounted in a buyout. They are still paid out and counted towards the AAV.

    This is a helpful link: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

  175. Primetime says:

    godot10: GODOT10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while 5on5, were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better off signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

    GODOT10:
    I haven’t been advocating Connolly, but what is wrong with scoring 90% of one’s goals from within a foot of the blue paint. That kinda actually sounds like a good thing.

    Agree with Godot, what’s wrong with scoring from the paint?

    To be fair, the quote isn’t entirely accurate as to what Alan May said to Stauffer. He said that he started by scoring goals in the blue paint, and once his confidence was up, started to score more with his shot from farther out.

    Again, that sounds like a player I would want, knows how to get himself back on track by going to the dirty areas…but talented enough that he can snipe from farther out when his confidence is back up. I agree with May that he shouldn’t play with Connor as 1RW, but think he would be ideal as 2RW with Nuge. The dream was that he held that place for a year while Jesse figured himself out as 3RW before leapfrogging him, but we all know how that is playing out….

  176. Reja says:

    Material Elvis:
    A Benning buyout?That’s just sheer stupidity.

    Nobody want’s Russell or Sekera unless bad contract coming back that leaves Steady Larsson, cheap and durable Nurse so-so 5-6 but Righty Benning and made of glass Kelfbom. Need to make room for prospects on the cheap. Have a feeling Holland clears one but more likely two before season home opener. I think Connolly signs 4 year 3.75 contract he knows Edmonton is a perfect fit for both parties.

  177. Wonder Llama says:

    Dick Hebdige wrote a brilliant little book called Subculture: The Meaning Of Style in which he conducted an ethnographic, historical, and especially semiotic analysis of post-WW II music-based subcultures. For me the most interesting aspect was the history of British colonialism in Jamaica, black Jamaicans’ reinterpretation of Old Testament imagery to articulate their sense of diaspora, the rise of Rastafarianism, the use of reggae as a medium of its expression, the connection between the first generation of Anglo-Jamaican immigrants with working class whites in Britain, and BAM! you get The Clash covering Police and Thieves, a band called The Police, and Two Tone records (Specials, UB40, Selector, etc.).

    One of Hebdige’s contentions is that you can trace a “phantom history” of race relations, particularly black and white, by examining the connections between black and white music in areas like jazz, the invention of rock n roll, reggae/punk, and, I’m sure he would agree, the influence of hip-hop on late 20th century rock.

    A simple reading is that black music is more likely to represent the sensation of “authentic” rebellion and that this is magnetic to not just working class, but suburban white kids, too.

    Good book. Hooray sociology.

  178. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: Just over $3 you mean?

    Edit: capfriendly has now removed the retained salary, so $3,033,206 is the correct total cap hit due to recapture penalties.

    That’s correct.
    I should have been more clear that the total is not $3.8 as speculated by some.

  179. Material Elvis says:

    Reja: Nobody want’s Russell or Sekera unless bad contract coming back that leaves Steady Larsson, cheap and durable Nurse so-so 5-6 but Righty Benning and made of glass Kelfbom. Need to make room for prospects on the cheap. Have a feeling Holland clears one but more likely two before season home opener. I think Connolly signs 4 year 3.75 contract he knows Edmonton is a perfect fit for both parties.

    A buyout is awful because those cheap prospects are replacing a cheap, actual NHL defenseman. Why take a gamble? Keep Benning and give the prospects a shot when injuries strike, inevitably.

  180. Reja says:

    Material Elvis: A buyout is awful because those cheap prospects are replacing a cheap, actual NHL defenseman.Why take a gamble?Keep Benning and give the prospects a shot when injuries strike, inevitably.

    I would not buy-out anyone sooner lose assets or draft picks of all the dumb trades over the years that pouliot buy out is the difference of getting Connolly or a solid back-up why did pete do that if he disliked the player so much torture him by burying him in the minors. That was one of the more bizarre moves by this franchise.

  181. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ben:
    Cassandra,

    Whoa…like, what is even *real* man?

    “Cassandra does not exist” – Gorgias

  182. GMB3 says:

    PennersPancakes: I would imagine that the idea isnt to make it buyout proof but rather lockout proof. Whether the league plays or not signing bonuses get paid out. This can also be a plus for players getting a lump sum payment earlier rather than throughout the year.

    It is just a giant pain in the ass that signing bonuses dont get discounted in a buyout. They are still paid out and counted towards the AAV.

    This is a helpful link: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

    Thanks for this.

    Also your handle has been the name of my fantasy hockey team for years

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    I agree on the scoring goals from in-close, not a bad thing I’m thinking the premise was that it likens the player to more of a “mucker” than a “skill player”..

  184. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Bob Stauffers passing comments today

    A buyout is possible(spent ALOT of time explainingg the rational of buyouts. saying its a different rational for every team, alluding to and asking guests about buyouts.)

    Said in passing ….Buying out Benning for example

    Having been qualified Burakovsky can be traded for

    What would anybody do on Connolly 3×3 ?3×4 ?

    A backup goaltender in the $2.5m range

    Bobs Guests:Chaisson might be on the radar of the Washington Capitals who know how extract value out of low price contracts

    Connolly not a legit top 6 player. A third Liner. Would avoid term, 90%of his goals while 5on5, were scored from within a foot of the blue paint. Might be better off signing Chiasson and a couple of Tippet Type players at $1 to $1.5 million to set up the Tippet system and work to his strengths as a Coach.

    “Bob, the love for Connolly in the market will drive up his price. Throw some water on it will ya”

  185. Rube Foster says:

    Bag of Pucks: I didn’t say it was crap. I said it’s a regressive artform and it’s puzzling to me why white suburban males are emulating something so antithetical to their own cultural experiences. That may actually be escapism in its truest expression or an example of the increasing diversity of music consumption?

    The old guys had exactly these same type of sentiments about Elvis Presley back in 1955.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilers haven’t had a reliable “garbage goal” guy who scores consistently from the paint since Maroon.

    Connolly scores more than one way though.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes: I would imagine that the idea isnt to make it buyout proof but rather lockout proof. Whether the league plays or not signing bonuses get paid out. This can also be a plus for players getting a lump sum payment earlier rather than throughout the year.

    It is just a giant pain in the ass that signing bonuses dont get discounted in a buyout. They are still paid out and counted towards the AAV.

    This is a helpful link: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

    You also just answered the question of why its “buyout proof” even without lockout risk – its so the player gets paid in full on the signing bonuses even if the contract is bought out.

  188. condormcdavis says:

    Ben,

    I wholly endorse this idea

  189. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Thanks for the recommendation. I love good musicology content.

  190. Bag of Pucks says:

    Rube Foster: The old guys had exactly these same type of sentiments about Elvis Presley back in 1955.

    This hip hop craze has me All Shook Up.

  191. Giggleplex says:

    Broberg and Bouchard were practicing one timers with each other at development camp today. Thought that was pretty neat.

  192. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bag of Pucks,

    You’ve made some broad sweeping generalizations here, but I’m going to infer that as a listener you lack the sophistication to offer an informed commentary, and are looking for some insight.

    There are myriad hip hop groups/artists with progressive, non ghetto centric rhymes that eschew the gangsta aesthetic. Some talk about street life without glorifying thug life, others not at all. Take some time to listen to groups including, but not limited to: Blackalicious, J-Live, A Tribe Called Quest, De la Soul, Del tha Funky Homosapien, Atmosphere, Gang Starr, Digable Planets, Jurassic5, Common, Mos Def, The Roots, DJ Shadow, MF Doom, Rakim… I could go on for an age. This is, largely, the hip hop ignored by popular radio, much to my chagrin. The level of sophistication is off the charts, even if the genre is not to your taste.

    Hip hop is the current pop genre. Which means safe for the artist, repetitive, and boring for what is mainstream, same as it ever was. Country, then rock, then new wave, grunge, now hip hop.

    Mainstream hip hop is as inventive as pop country. Can barely tell one song or artist from another.

    The good stuff is always hard to find once things get commercialized.

  193. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Hip hop is the current pop genre. Which means safe for the artist,repetitive, and boring for what is mainstream, same as it ever was. Country, then rock, then new wave, grunge, now hip hop.

    Mainstream hip hop is as inventive as pop country. Can barely tell one song or artist from another.

    The good stuff is always hard to find oncethings get commercialized.

    Much like everything else I find annoying,
    I blame Millennials

  194. Andy Dufresne says:

    GMB3: You watched 100% of his goals?

    Not me. Im telling you what Stauffers guest said

    All the quotes/paraphrases in both my posts were things Stauffer and his guests said.

    None of it is me.

  195. Pescador says:

    Wolfpack: Broberg = Eric Brewer?

    Jonas Brodin

  196. godot10 says:

    Primetime: Agree with Godot, what’s wrong with scoring from the paint?

    To be fair, the quote isn’t entirely accurate as to what Alan May said to Stauffer.He said that he started by scoring goals in the blue paint, and once his confidence was up, started to score more with his shot from farther out.

    Again, that sounds like a player I would want, knows how to get himself back on track by going to the dirty areas…but talented enough that he can snipe from farther out when his confidence is back up.I agree with May that he shouldn’t play with Connor as 1RW, but think he would be ideal as 2RW with Nuge.The dream was that he held that place for a year while Jesse figured himself out as 3RW before leapfrogging him, but we all know how that is playing out….

    Peter’s Principle: Because a player is a good 3rd line player does not mean he will be a good 2nd line player. You are likely going to end up with a 3rd line player being paid like a 2nd line player for a far too long period of time. $4 million is too much for a 3rd line player. Three years is too long for a 3rd line player.

  197. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: Much like everything else I find annoying,
    I blame Millennials

    Well everything is their fault.

    I blame Friedman and his sycophants Regan and Thatcher for everything outside of the ‘arts’ as we currently know it.

  198. godot10 says:

    Truth:
    https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1144004008388026368

    Only Caufield and a non-NHL goaltender on the ice. #RealHockey ! -).

  199. Andy Dufresne says:

    Primetime: To be fair, the quote isn’t entirely accurate as to what Alan May said to Stauffer. He said that he started by scoring goals in the blue paint, and once his confidence was up, started to score more with his shot from farther out.

    This is accurate. Alan May was more positive in general that the other guest….Craig Simpson.

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