Another Gem

by Lowetide

Rem Murray was drafted by the Los Angeles Kings in 1992 after a quality freshman season for Michigan State. He would deliver three more outstanding seasons for the Spartans, but when he turned pro, the Kings didn’t sign him.

Rem signed with the Edmonton Oilers, spent a year in the minors (1995-96 Cape Breton Oilers) and then embarked on a solid NHL career. He was a good two-way center who put in some good years with the Weight Oilers, and had a reprise on the 2006 SC team.

Cooper Marody isn’t the same kind of player, but the Edmonton Oilers could use a quick jump to the NHL from their star minor leaguer.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Analyzing the free agent options Ken Holland may consider as he builds a bridge to the future
  • New Jonathan Willis: Brett Connolly could be a good fit for the Oilers at a reasonable price-point.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Five free-agent goalie options who might make sense for the Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: What we learned about the future of NHL at the 2019 Draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Jonathan WillisOilers keep two, cut five, and potentially add new targets as qualifying deadline passes
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

PROSPECT NHLE’S

Marody brings a lot of offense compared to the other Oilers hopefuls, I’d suggest he, Benson, Gambardella, Nygard and Yamamoto should be the most compelling offensive options among the forward prospects in the coming year.

Marody may not play center, last year’s six games in the NHL were not impressive and Dave Tippett probably wants experienced hands at pivot. Still, Marody would have a chance on right wing in my opinion. He’s very skilled.

HARVEST MOON 2010

Every now and then, I like to retrace steps, and today’s it’s the initial reaction to the 2010 draft. Here’s what I wrote on June 26, 2010:

#1 overall LW Taylor Hall: Immediately the best prospect in the system, the Oilers have an outstanding young player ready for the fall. If he gets enough powerplay time and especially if the Oilers can find a way to send him out with good players against the soft parade, this guy could win the Calder. BPA at this spot, good value.

#31 overall C Tyler Pitlick: Big, physical center with skill. The Oilers have a few of them in the pipeline now but you can never have too many of this player type. I still think it was a great idea for the Oilers to have the night to re-set their draft order and this pick reflects the result. BPA at this spot, good value. Oilers have since stated they had him among their top 30 selections. They LOVE the fact he’s leaving the NCAA and heading to Medicine Hat

#46 overall D Martin Marincin: Tall, lean 2-way defender with good speed and the ability to think on his feet. Needs to be more consistent, but that’s something we can say about pretty much every prospect taken today. ISS and speeds ranked him at 40, McKenzie at 71. I don’t know that he was BPA at this spot (it is harder to define as the draft gets deeper) but do believe he was a value pick at this slot. Oilers are very high on him, with Stu MacGregor hinting he may play in the AHL in ’10-’11. Tambellini loves his poise on the international stage and his mobility (for a man his size).

#48 overall LW Curtis Hamilton: A wide-bodied winger with solid skills (OK skater, good shot, has a nose for the net) he endured injury problems which cut back on scouts ability to “see him good.” He’s 6.02, 211, and Smarmy Boss has a nice description of him and his season in Hamilton’s draft post comments section. ISS60 and Bob McKenzie57, which makes him a slight reach pick. Tambellini likes his hockey sense and describes him as a good 2-way winger. Intelligent, solid player. MBS likes his size and strength and how well he competes along the boards. Smart player.

#61 overall C Ryan Martindale: Tall C with speed, Redline (at the top prospects game to scout this year’s talent) said: Until he rang a quick release snap shot off the crossbar in the third period, you could have told us he wasn’t dressed at all. ISS61, BM58 so it would seem to be a saw-off in terms of value. Tambellini says his inconsistency may come from growing into his body (6.02) and made it clear they were looking to increase size and C (and D) at this draft). MBS likes his talent but wants him to “be there” every night.

#91 overall D Jeremie Blain: Had a fine season in the QMJHL and has good size for a defender. Oilers have had success in the Q, but it has been awhile. He appears to have caught fire in the new year, based on this from HF: Blain continues to play a lot of minutes for the Titans, top four plus PP and PK. He currently has 3 goals and 27 assists in 49 games. He looks bigger and stronger than in earlier viewings. He battles and competes well. There is more upside here than first thought. I don’t think we can call this a value pick. Tambellini says he plays with an edge, Bill Dandy really liked him a lot and this was likely a scouts pick.

#121 overall G Tyler Bunz: Redline had him #178 overall but I’m fine with using a depth pick like this one. In fact, I think the Oilers should use one every year in this range. They only need to get lucky once a decade. His SP numbers are poor, but that Tiger team didn’t play much defense whenever I saw them. Freddie Chabot has worked with him through the Team Canada development camps and is high on him.

#162 overall D Brandon Davidson: ISS had him #74 and Redline had him #204. That’s a wide range, but Remmerde (a great fricking blog, buddy was our guide today folks) is a straight forward scout and says there are some things to like. Based on his words, I’m counting this as a value pick

.#166 overall L Drew Czerwonka: and the chocolate factory! Sorry. There’s not much to say about a pick like this one. There are no expectations, it was probably a pick for the area scout and if he turns out holy hell that’s a great pick. The only negative is that there are still some names on the board at this time who graded out better and that’s something this organization does at certain points in the draft: select for need. Having said that, it wasn’t like Slava Trukhno shot the moon.

#181 overall F Kristians Pelss. Poster Buddhaa over at hf boards: Pelss played for the farm team of Riga Dinamo – the Riga Dinamo Junior which played in the Belarus Open League (+/- ECHL level). Was the youngest player on the team. Didn’t score much. Unless he’s drafted by CHL, he should play next year in the Rigan Dinamo junior team in MHL (the junior league for KHL). Pelss played in U18 and had three points in 6 games (2+1). Haven’t seen him much, but supposedly should have decent upside if he’s put in proper development program (e.g. CHL). Long shot, but an interesting story.

#202 overall L Kellen Jones: Undersized skill player who performed well for the Vernon Vipers. Has a twin brother and they’re both heading to the NCAA (Quinnipiac) this fall. His brother’s name is Conner, but I think we should call him “Chipper.” Like the Czerwonka pick above, they either “saw him good” or this is a hat tip to some regional scout or bird dog who has done good work in the past. There’s not a lot to recommend this player outside of solid numbers in a secondary league.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, TSN1260 beginning at 10. Steve Lansky will join us from BigMouthSports at 10:20, there’s a live mic game on Canada Day (Argos-Roughriders) and Steve’s on it. We’ll also talk to Steve Kournianos as we wrap up the draft with our final ‘insider’ from the 2019 edition. At 11:05, Matthew Iwanyk stops in and discusses last night’s Eskimos game and some curios calls (and too many penalties!) and then at 11:20 FC Edmonton’s General Manager Jay Ball plus brilliant goalie Connor James will pop in to chat about the big Canada Day game.

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OriginalPouzar

Quite a few accounts of Michael Kesselring being a stand out at development camp – I guess if we were told he was a first rounder before camp, the show would have fit that narrative. He’s a big kid and I guess, as big as he looked last year, he’s put on 15 pounds and is a beast now.

He’s only 19 (drafted last year) and his heading to college, North Eastern.

Someone to keep an eye on in his first few years of college.

Unfrotunately, being a college guy we won’t be able to see him at rookie or main camp.

OriginalPouzar

Two more days to get through without a buyout – deadline is Sunday afternoon.

Come on Holland – hang tight!

Reja

Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

Chop water carry wood no fun allowed Eakins destroyed a lot of careers but apparently not his own because he’s the queen on the casting couch. Worst coach in Oilers history and anybody that thinks otherwise can meet my inbred nephew on 97th street at midnight sharp.

Reja

McSorley33:
Bag of Pucks,

No to trading McDavid….

The trolls are bored let them have there jolly’s . Back in the day nobody brought up
Trading The Great One except for this one fellow that moved from cow shit town he would yap
and yap and then he was gone one day no explanation needed and then life carried on the way it should be.

defmn

JimmyV1965: If you’re not pushing, you’re standing still. If you’re waiting for the right deal to come along, you might be waiting a long time. There’s plenty of aggressive GMs in this league who have enjoyed tremendous success. Wilson and Armstrong say hi. You could add Treleving as well. The problem with Edmonton is when the GMs pushed, they did the wrong things. Boneheaded egregious things actually. Of course, the utter failure to draft and develop is a big part of it as well.

Timing is important. This is not the summer to push, imo.

Stability first. Then the push.

rickithebear

leadfarmer:
rickithebear,

Bears are going the way of the dinosaurs.The game has changed drastically in last 6 years
Here is hd shot 5v5 data for 2013-14 season
Top 10 G that season
Varlamov 6.83 !!!
Lundqvist 6.68
Lehtonen 6.3
Smith 6.43
Miller 6.08
Price 5.78
Bishop 5.3!!!!
Pavelec 5.78
Fleury 5.1!!!
Bernier 5.85

Now since I’ve been yelling at the top of my lungs the name of the game is speed speed speed
Last year
Holtby 7.3
Gibson 7.24
Markstrom 7.0
Bob 6.4
Jones 6.3
Price 5.9
Helle 6.1
Andersen 6.3
Howard 6.8
Fleury 6.1

It’s very hard to see how bears can’t see this

Open shots vary from 3 to 10 meaning you are providing data were 66.7% to 90 % has 0% score density & no goal data.
But you still did not differentiate between The expected open HD save% established by what Dpair.
Were did most of the real goal scoring open HD density come from.
3-2-1 or 3-1-1-1 structure.
You know what my results say.

Cause you know what I see a lot of quick transition passes to unchallenged forwards yielding fast skating forwards quick transition to free path of HD area.

Remember what happens when forward and a team set up NZ trap. The dmen would sit in behind the net looking for open ( uncontested) passing lane.

Yeah there is a lot of great speed added to the game in the reg. season.
Cause of 3-1-1-1.
But the team that won the cup could defend the HD area and was 4 HD Dmen deep.
Binnigton just got into some elite top 3 career playoff open HD save% goalie company joining Murray from Pittsburgh.

OriginalPouzar

Andy Dufresne,

Andy: No word of NMCs or No Trade details for Kapanen or Johnsson on Cap Friendly

————————

Trade protection can’t be attached to RFA years, only UFA years so, no, there would be no trade protection in the next few years for those guys – no need to wait for a word.

JimmyV1965

defmn: This is where I am at as well. Fix the bottom six. Find a second goalie who won’t cost the team games.

Wait for the right deal to come along.

Management has to stop pushing and start doing smart things.

If you’re not pushing, you’re standing still. If you’re waiting for the right deal to come along, you might be waiting a long time. There’s plenty of aggressive GMs in this league who have enjoyed tremendous success. Wilson and Armstrong say hi. You could add Treleving as well. The problem with Edmonton is when the GMs pushed, they did the wrong things. Boneheaded egregious things actually. Of course, the utter failure to draft and develop is a big part of it as well.

rickithebear

leadfarmer:
Glovjuice,

Do you realize how many “rovers” these guys you listed employ?
You should be outraged at their stupidity
All should be fighting for Fayne and Russell
And not just rovers.High minute rovers and multiples of them
Why would you want Deboer.He should be top idiot on your list

Deboer ran HD defence with the depth he had.
Great HD rosters.
Deboer championship coach in?
2012 EC champs with NJD strong HD GA def.
2016 WC champs with SJS with strong HD GA defence.
Should have lost in first round but the deepest cup core roster failed to advance cause of a quality 5 min major call then Ref the rest of playoffs & his job. Then his GM punted one of his HD dmen.

So I looked at Dmen acquired since June 14.
PHI hired Fletcher as GM.
He allways used a strong HD def in MiN.
He acquired Niskanen a forerbtop 10 HD dman while facing 1st comp
He acquired Braun a former top 10 HD dman while facing 1st comp.

CHI allways had top HD dmen anchored by the best 1st comp playoff HD dman of his decade Hjarlmasson.
Bowman inherited Chi top cup core theory roster from Talon
But may have clued in
He acquired top 40 HD dman Matta.
Then acquired the #2 0% corsi Dman behind #1 Russell, DeHaan.

Buffalo just went out and acquired one of the 9 top 60 HD dmen VGK acquired in expansion.
Top 45/HD dman. Colin Miller.
He plays a top 10 caliber in a 3-2-1 system. But adjusts his HD abandonment when rovering to still achieve top 45 results.
This is the lone type of rover I would want on my team.

Nurse has displayed elite HD defensive play. He must learn to understand that his deep ozone rovering provides almost no HD penetration. He is best suited to be a 4th option coming down to tops of circles.
Could HD anchor our Def moving forward.
Hope Holland, Tippett & Playfair correct that.

Thinking a 2 time champion coach as a problem.

Dumb forest farmer dumb!

leadfarmer

leadfarmer,

Meant at archeology bear not you
Him and dusty old relic and Chia may very well be the same family of bears

defmn

Ben:
The downside is that Holland hasn’t done anything yet.

The upside is that Holland hasn’t done anything stupid yet.

We’ve all had hot sticky fantasies about Chia coming in and simply staying mostly inactive and drafting BPA. Unless there’s an objectively lopsided deal available to Holland, I’m happy for him to tweak the edges of the roster while focusing on drafting and developing.

No idea if McDavid will survive that approach, but it’s a shorter line to a championship than blowing your brains out on buyouts to fit in overpriced third-liners on heavy term.

This is where I am at as well. Fix the bottom six. Find a second goalie who won’t cost the team games.

Wait for the right deal to come along.

Management has to stop pushing and start doing smart things.

leadfarmer

Glovjuice,

Do you realize how many “rovers” these guys you listed employ?
You should be outraged at their stupidity
All should be fighting for Fayne and Russell
And not just rovers. High minute rovers and multiples of them
Why would you want Deboer. He should be top idiot on your list

leadfarmer

rickithebear,

Bears are going the way of the dinosaurs. The game has changed drastically in last 6 years
Here is hd shot 5v5 data for 2013-14 season
Top 10 G that season
Varlamov 6.83 !!!
Lundqvist 6.68
Lehtonen 6.3
Smith 6.43
Miller 6.08
Price 5.78
Bishop 5.3!!!!
Pavelec 5.78
Fleury 5.1!!!
Bernier 5.85

Now since I’ve been yelling at the top of my lungs the name of the game is speed speed speed
Last year
Holtby 7.3
Gibson 7.24
Markstrom 7.0
Bob 6.4
Jones 6.3
Price 5.9
Helle 6.1
Andersen 6.3
Howard 6.8
Fleury 6.1

It’s very hard to see how bears can’t see this

hags9k

I must lead the league in posts to the old thread/60…

This will be out of step here now but just was thinking out loud to myself in an empty room that Koskinen was just tired in the second half. He didn’t quite have the same quickness and was not as sharp following the play, compared to the start of the year.

He was very, very good out of the gates.

leadfarmer

rickithebear,

Please ancient bear
Please inform us where Nikitin Fayne Marincin Manning are currently playing. Please inform the world why we are wrong every coach and Gm in the league is wrong
Also outside of Talbots one year please show us how he was top 5 in anything
Defensemen than cannot pass are pretty much done.
Your theory has been refuted by every team in the league
Yet you cannot see what’s in front of you
Now 1995 hockey is calling you back
The game has changed

rickithebear

Lead farmer
Way to confirm your gumpness.

Life is like a box of chocolates.

Like chocolate from the 80,s

I stated 3-2-1 yields the least amount of goals.
I said 3-1-1-1 is god awful for ga.
I said in my cup core theory you try to get the best Dmen who defend the HD area and reduce shots to 0X density?
The 60 best.

If 6 x 31 dmen who get the most minutes of any team.
That is 60/186 = 32.26% of starting d population.

Since when is being 32% of a population extinct.
Forest farmer

There are 5 big minute dmen a lot of time in playoffs.
The thing is you will find 8 x 2.667 HD dmen in the final 8 on avg.
35% of the 60 HD dman population.
That is not extinct.

So lots of gm’s are acquiring non open HD dmen.
To chase offence.

Which can get you in to the playoffs.
But brutal open HD defences still yeild High Ga rates in playoffs.
The reg season GF is greatly reduced in playoffs.

Calgary has been traditionally one of the 3 lowest open HD save% defences in the league.
Creating a brutal standard of save % for a goalie to perform around.
Edmonton was the worst open HD sv% defence during Eakins career.

When it comes to playoff teams.
HD dmen still playing
52.5% of final 8 dmen
70% of final 4 dmen.
That is not extinct.

I am suppose to value your kind of thinking gumper.

And the people who think this is a strong opinion.

I am now going to call you
Flat earth forest farmer and his disciple.

Choosing the approach of the biggest loser GM’s is not the way to go.

3 top 60 HD dmen.
Larsson
Sekera facing 2nd comp or lower.
Benning

I stated multiple times in the past pairing an elite 0% shot density dman with a top 60 HD dman will generate that open HD dmans ranking in established save%.
Russell

That is 4

McClellan who had run higher % 3-2-1 structure systems.
Ran a more 3-2-1 than we had seen since any post MacT coach.
We hadStrong top 125 depth And .20+ evg production.
1 elite open HD Dpair &
2 top HD dmen paired with rovers who were asked not to roam.
A top 5 Open HD goalie.

We make the 2nd round.
2 proper goalie interference calls should have seen us in the final 4.

Last couple of years we have run a higher % of 3-1-1-1.
the affect of abandoning HD area is so dramatic.
Our GA climbed to the worst rankings in the league.

We missed Eberle s reg season avg 17 evg the last 2 years.

Yes I am not wanting what all the loser GM’s want.

I am and trying to get the top 60 HD dmen.
That are 70% of the final 4 gm’s

14 of final 4s 20 most used d was top HD.

The only thing extinct is the Forest farmers GM’s in the final four.

Add this to the notes.

TheTikk

The downside is that Holland hasn’t done anything yet.

The upside is that Holland hasn’t done anything stupid yet.

We’ve all had hot sticky fantasies about Chia coming in and simply staying mostly inactive and drafting BPA. Unless there’s an objectively lopsided deal available to Holland, I’m happy for him to tweak the edges of the roster while focusing on drafting and developing.

No idea if McDavid will survive that approach, but it’s a shorter line to a championship than blowing your brains out on buyouts to fit in overpriced third-liners on heavy term.

pts2pndr

Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

Eakins was the problem and MacT refused to see it! It cost him his job. There is no perfect GM. I may not have agreed with some of his moves as GM but he also made some astute moves. I wish him well in Russia.

Andy Dufresne

Side: I’m also confused by ricki’s comment about how good that D lineup would be, when he’s always bashing Klefbom and Nurse for not being good D, but somehow having Davidson, Fayne and Marincin makes it the deepest since 06? And he says it as a compliment for MacT but, imo, looking at that lineup shows how badly MacT was at evaluating D…

Ricki is a Capologist at heart. He wants to out Billy Bean Billy Bean.

“I think the question we should be asking is “do you believe in this thing or not?”

“It’s a problem you think we need to explain ourselves. Don’t. To anyone.”

Stay Strong Ricki. Ursa Major.

Andy Dufresne

Side:
Numenius,

Damn, where were you to post police Ricki the other day when he was calling people all stupid simpletons.

To be fair, he thinks of some of the posters here as smart simpletons

leadfarmer

Side,

And most of those coaches actually do not play a Ricki box protection system instead they play a version of the swarm, pressure the vulnerable areas leaving the box vulnerable in an effort to create turnovers to create scoring chances before defensive systems can be set up. This is why scoring is going up because coaches have realized that unless you have ridiculous talent like Mcdavid defensive systems are very hard to break.
Gallant requires Fleury to stand on his head because he is comfortable with exchanging scoring chances off the rush

Andy Dufresne

OriginalPouzar:
For some reason, its just Andy that I can’t quote: get error messages.

Andy – the cap hit is the total compensation (not including performance bonuses for ELC/35plus) divided over the term of the contract: 1-8 years.

For offer sheets that are signed, the cap hit calculation is that same as above but, to determine compensation, its a 5 years max so, even if the contract is 6-7 years, the total compensation as set out above is divided by 5 to determine what compensation bracket its in.

Thank you OP

Rondo

Lowetide:
Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

Lowetide,

Risto is way overrated.

https://thechargingbuffalo.net/2019/06/15/evaluating-rasmus-ristolainen-and-his-future/

leadfarmer

Side,

The way he describes those defensemen there must be a league wide conspiracy keeping these greats out of the league
Fayne must have slept with Bettmans wife to cause such a harsh treatment

Side

leadfarmer:
If you have Marincin Fayne and xxxx as your top 4 D then you have nothing.
That defense doesn’t make the AHL playoffs
Might as well add Nikitin and Foster and Manning to that garbage pile
If all your D men do is defend you are always defending
Up the boards and out means you are always defending
Dumping the puck means you are defending
These Ricki defensemen are almost extinct
Nobody is offering them spots above replacement level

I’m also confused by ricki’s comment about how good that D lineup would be, when he’s always bashing Klefbom and Nurse for not being good D, but somehow having Davidson, Fayne and Marincin makes it the deepest since 06? And he says it as a compliment for MacT but, imo, looking at that lineup shows how badly MacT was at evaluating D…

Side

I wonder if the Oilers replaced MacT with a good GM if people would still be romanticizing MacT’s work.

MacT did some good, but a lot of bad. And the bad outweighed the good. Except without him the Oilers wouldn’t have gotten McDavid. So maybe it all evens out.

leadfarmer

If you have Marincin Fayne and xxxx as your top 4 D then you have nothing.
That defense doesn’t make the AHL playoffs
Might as well add Nikitin and Foster and Manning to that garbage pile
If all your D men do is defend you are always defending
Up the boards and out means you are always defending
Dumping the puck means you are defending
These Ricki defensemen are almost extinct
Nobody is offering them spots above replacement level

HT Joe

Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

Best of all, MacT would have gotten rid of Eakins still and Nelson would have been the coach.

Glovjuice

rickithebear:
Forest farmer:

I saw competent GMing for a 2 yr period in Edm.

Mact had drafted Nurse, Draisaitl, in the first round.
Drafted a .20+ evgpg Top playoff goal scorer Slepyshev
Drafted Lagesson in the fourth round.

He had the first choice in draft securedMcdavid.

Had arrange for a top 5 open HD save% goalie Talbot with slather.
For assets from Hemsky & Petry trades.

Acquired Pittsburgh’s #16 pick for Perron.
With potential to take Barzal wanted by MacT,s scouting staff.

PC credited MacT & Buck for Caggulia & Benning signing.

MacT had a top 5 HD dman in place.
So would not have needed to trade for Larsson.

Extensive cap space available for signing Mcdavid & Draisaitl in the future.

MacT was acquiring Personel to match cup core. To run an elite 3-2-1 HD transition passing system.

MacT,s major failing was selecting Eakin as a coach.
Eakins ran the highest % of 3-1-1-1 play of any coached team in 25 years.

Draisaitl – Mcdavid – xxx
Hall – Barzal – xxx
Pouliot -RNH – EberleRNH & Ebs 1.00 ppg players on this line.
Slepyshev – Caggulia – Pitlick
Deepest top 125 fwd team since the late 80’s

Klefbom – Fayne
Marincin – xxx
Nurse – Benning
Davidson
4 future top 60 HD dmen in place.
Deepest since 05-06 when we had 5

Talbot
Top 5 open HD goalie

We had cup core roster in place.
To be cup competative for the next decade.

#1 listed need in any cup core roster.
Top HD sys coach.
A guy like Gallant, Tippett, Debor, Quenville, Sutter, Trotz, Cooper

A god awful coach cost us a GM who had us set up to be cup competativefor a decade.

F………………………………..!

Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

Side

Numenius,

Damn, where were you to post police Ricki the other day when he was calling people all stupid simpletons.

OriginalPouzar

For some reason, its just Andy that I can’t quote: get error messages.

Andy – the cap hit is the total compensation (not including performance bonuses for ELC/35plus) divided over the term of the contract: 1-8 years.

For offer sheets that are signed, the cap hit calculation is that same as above but, to determine compensation, its a 5 years max so, even if the contract is 6-7 years, the total compensation as set out above is divided by 5 to determine what compensation bracket its in.

John Chambers

Jason Botterill is good at adding NHL players.

Since last summer:
Sheary, Skinner, Sobotka, Thompson, Hutton, Montour, now Miller.

Not all the bets have paid off (O’Reilly deal was a loss), but that’s a third of an NHL roster.

Ryan

Numenius: This is overstated and fails to appreciate the context.

Pouliot was a good signing at the time and shouldn’t have had to be bought out. His departure was more a casualty of the bad coaching.

Dubnyk’s departure was also necessitated by the bad coaching. His confidence was destroyed and it wasn’t clear he could get it back in Edmonton.

Agreed that the Nikitin signing was bad. I didn’t like the Ference one either, but those were different days when we didn’t have the McDavid attraction.

I thought the tone of your post was excessively snarky towards our friend Riki. Disagreement is fine, but he still deserves our respect, as do all posters.

My apologies.

Snarkiness was not intended to be directed at Riki himself, but at my frustration of endless years of GM’s running this franchise in the ground.

I can be snarky at times, but for past and future reference, it’s intended to be directed at Oilers management, not any posters here.

For the record, I didn’t hate the Pouliot signing at the time.

Also, I agree that Eakins’ swarm d system played a big role in the Dubnyk collapse.

YKOil

Well, if they going to buy-out Sekera my hope is that, at the very least they do it intelligently.

Sekera
FOR
Scandella

Buy-out Scandella

yr1 .. $0.833m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $4.667m
yr2 .. $1.583m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $3.917m

versus Sekera buy-out

yr1 .. $2.5m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $3.0m
yr2 .. $2.5m
yr3 .. $1.5m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $4.0m
yr4 .. $1.5m

Would not advise that a Sekera buy-out is the right way to go but if they are going to buy him out, there are right ways and wrong ways to do so.

Numenius

Ryan: I looked at Capfriendly the other day. I was surprised to see we’re still paying Benoit Pouliot.

I also always believed when you’re assessing goaltenders if you have to ask the question…

I thought that was a great trade in terms of getting an expensive, over-the-hill fourth liner for our starting goalie. Underrated genius.

This is overstated and fails to appreciate the context.

Pouliot was a good signing at the time and shouldn’t have had to be bought out. His departure was more a casualty of the bad coaching.

Dubnyk’s departure was also necessitated by the bad coaching. His confidence was destroyed and it wasn’t clear he could get it back in Edmonton.

Agreed that the Nikitin signing was bad. I didn’t like the Ference one either, but those were different days when we didn’t have the McDavid attraction.

I thought the tone of your post was excessively snarky towards our friend Riki. Disagreement is fine, but he still deserves our respect, as do all posters.

leadfarmer

godot10: Bogosian is recovering from hip surgery. Won’t play till January

Dahlin better be ready for some very hard minutes
3 offensive RHD
Not to go all Bear but just don’t see that working
That pp is going to have to run on all cylinders to make up for that pk

leadfarmer

Lowetide:
Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

I definitely would not say he’s a two way D
He’s more of an easy minutes offensive defenseman
that is a collection of guys that will digging pucks out of their net a lot

godot10

Lowetide:
Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

Bogosian is recovering from hip surgery. Won’t play till January

godot10

npanciroli:
Wonder if Buffalo trades Risto. Very intriguing buy low player.

Sekera played like a stud for Ralph at the World Cup.

npanciroli

Wonder if Buffalo trades Risto. Very intriguing buy low player.

leadfarmer

Lowetide:
From Renaud Lavoie: Looks like @GoldenKnightstraded Collin Miller to the Sabres. Trade call not done yet.
@GoldenKnights

How many puck movers do they need?
Who is going to play defense

Ray

Marc: The team making the offer sheet can’t make it too poisonous because if Toronto doesn’t match then they’re stuck with a huge QO to keep Marner’s rights in two years.

So I wouldn’t expect to see a short term bridge offer sheet that’s heavily backloaded. If I were an Eastern Conference GM with cap space though – NYI, Columbus, Carolina, Florida – signing Marner to a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet seems like a no lose situation.

If Toronto match you’ve blown their cap space for the foreseeable future, guaranteeing that this year’s team is weaker than last year’s. And if they don’t match you’ve taken one of your competitors’ best players in the prime of his career for a 2 firsts, a second and a third round pick.

And for Marner, signing a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet guarantees that he’ll either make more than Matthews over the next 5 years because of the high QOs he’ll get. Or he becomes a UFA at the absolute prime of his career if he isn’t qualified.

Exactly. Almost a perfect scenario for everyone except Toronto.

OriginalPouzar

Durag: It’s a nice pickup for the Avs, but honestly the Oilers aren’t in aposition to give up 2 draft picks.

In particular for a player that will be making $1M to $1.5M more than he should be this coming year and is potentially a UFA in a year because of it (i.e. not getting another QO if does’t improve game).

Durag

OriginalPouzar,

My thoughts exactly. They’re depth to keep the kids from yo-yoing when injuries hit.

OriginalPouzar

Durag:
Woogie63,

Haas scored 15 fewer points than his teammate Mark Arcobello. I don’t think he’s a candidate for 3C

I think too much is being put on both the European signings.

Frankly, I don’t thin Haas should even be penciled in to the NHL – he’s probably in the P. Russell/J. Curie group slightly behind Joe G fighting for a 12th to 14th forward.

Nygard is likely pencilled in to the NHL lineup but isn’t a shoe-in – he’s fighting with the likes of Brodziak for a roster spot but any thoughts on him starting at 2LW or 3LW are aggresive in my mind.

Marc

Ray:
The Marner talk of $10.5 …. doesn’t mean he is accepting $10.5.

If the offer is two years with year one at $8M and year two at $13M it would then force the resulting qualifying offer for all subsequent RFA year to be a minimum of $13M.

Jay Feaster did this to try and get Ryan O’Reilly out of Colorado.

The second year is the most important for Marner, and in my opinion this is what we see next week.

The team making the offer sheet can’t make it too poisonous because if Toronto doesn’t match then they’re stuck with a huge QO to keep Marner’s rights in two years.

So I wouldn’t expect to see a short term bridge offer sheet that’s heavily backloaded. If I were an Eastern Conference GM with cap space though – NYI, Columbus, Carolina, Florida – signing Marner to a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet seems like a no lose situation.

If Toronto match you’ve blown their cap space for the foreseeable future, guaranteeing that this year’s team is weaker than last year’s. And if they don’t match you’ve taken one of your competitors’ best players in the prime of his career for a 2 firsts, a second and a third round pick.

And for Marner, signing a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet guarantees that he’ll either make more than Matthews over the next 5 years because of the high QOs he’ll get. Or he becomes a UFA at the absolute prime of his career if he isn’t qualified.

OriginalPouzar

flea:
knighttown,

I think the trade could still happen for another poor contract, like Erickson. That is the alternative to a pure cap dump, which the leafs absolutely needed, but the Oilers don’t. It would just be nice to spend that money in a better way.

I’m ok bringing him back. I think he’s a perfect pick for Seattle, and maybe he waives his NMC to go there. I also think he’s got a bounce back season in him at some point. His personal life sounds like it’s been a bit of a mess, but maybe some distance on those challenging times will be reflected on the ice.

The Oilers do need the cap space but they need it if they want to improve not like Toronto that needed it just to keep the rest of their team together. Lucic for cap space has now proven to be a non-option.

I don’t see why Lucic would be perfect for Seattle unless his game has turned around. He is very likely to waive, I mean, if he’s still here, why wouldn’t he? Of course Seattle would never take him. If his game is the same, why would they take a $6M x 2 AHL player. I don’t think something like reaching the cap floor will be an issue. He’ll waive so he wont’ be protected but he won’t be taken..