Another Gem

Rem Murray was drafted by the Los Angeles Kings in 1992 after a quality freshman season for Michigan State. He would deliver three more outstanding seasons for the Spartans, but when he turned pro, the Kings didn’t sign him.

Rem signed with the Edmonton Oilers, spent a year in the minors (1995-96 Cape Breton Oilers) and then embarked on a solid NHL career. He was a good two-way center who put in some good years with the Weight Oilers, and had a reprise on the 2006 SC team.

Cooper Marody isn’t the same kind of player, but the Edmonton Oilers could use a quick jump to the NHL from their star minor leaguer.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Analyzing the free agent options Ken Holland may consider as he builds a bridge to the future
  • New Jonathan Willis: Brett Connolly could be a good fit for the Oilers at a reasonable price-point.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Five free-agent goalie options who might make sense for the Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: What we learned about the future of NHL at the 2019 Draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Jonathan WillisOilers keep two, cut five, and potentially add new targets as qualifying deadline passes
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

PROSPECT NHLE’S

Marody brings a lot of offense compared to the other Oilers hopefuls, I’d suggest he, Benson, Gambardella, Nygard and Yamamoto should be the most compelling offensive options among the forward prospects in the coming year.

Marody may not play center, last year’s six games in the NHL were not impressive and Dave Tippett probably wants experienced hands at pivot. Still, Marody would have a chance on right wing in my opinion. He’s very skilled.

HARVEST MOON 2010

Every now and then, I like to retrace steps, and today’s it’s the initial reaction to the 2010 draft. Here’s what I wrote on June 26, 2010:

#1 overall LW Taylor Hall: Immediately the best prospect in the system, the Oilers have an outstanding young player ready for the fall. If he gets enough powerplay time and especially if the Oilers can find a way to send him out with good players against the soft parade, this guy could win the Calder. BPA at this spot, good value.

#31 overall C Tyler Pitlick: Big, physical center with skill. The Oilers have a few of them in the pipeline now but you can never have too many of this player type. I still think it was a great idea for the Oilers to have the night to re-set their draft order and this pick reflects the result. BPA at this spot, good value. Oilers have since stated they had him among their top 30 selections. They LOVE the fact he’s leaving the NCAA and heading to Medicine Hat

#46 overall D Martin Marincin: Tall, lean 2-way defender with good speed and the ability to think on his feet. Needs to be more consistent, but that’s something we can say about pretty much every prospect taken today. ISS and speeds ranked him at 40, McKenzie at 71. I don’t know that he was BPA at this spot (it is harder to define as the draft gets deeper) but do believe he was a value pick at this slot. Oilers are very high on him, with Stu MacGregor hinting he may play in the AHL in ’10-’11. Tambellini loves his poise on the international stage and his mobility (for a man his size).

#48 overall LW Curtis Hamilton: A wide-bodied winger with solid skills (OK skater, good shot, has a nose for the net) he endured injury problems which cut back on scouts ability to “see him good.” He’s 6.02, 211, and Smarmy Boss has a nice description of him and his season in Hamilton’s draft post comments section. ISS60 and Bob McKenzie57, which makes him a slight reach pick. Tambellini likes his hockey sense and describes him as a good 2-way winger. Intelligent, solid player. MBS likes his size and strength and how well he competes along the boards. Smart player.

#61 overall C Ryan Martindale: Tall C with speed, Redline (at the top prospects game to scout this year’s talent) said: Until he rang a quick release snap shot off the crossbar in the third period, you could have told us he wasn’t dressed at all. ISS61, BM58 so it would seem to be a saw-off in terms of value. Tambellini says his inconsistency may come from growing into his body (6.02) and made it clear they were looking to increase size and C (and D) at this draft). MBS likes his talent but wants him to “be there” every night.

#91 overall D Jeremie Blain: Had a fine season in the QMJHL and has good size for a defender. Oilers have had success in the Q, but it has been awhile. He appears to have caught fire in the new year, based on this from HF: Blain continues to play a lot of minutes for the Titans, top four plus PP and PK. He currently has 3 goals and 27 assists in 49 games. He looks bigger and stronger than in earlier viewings. He battles and competes well. There is more upside here than first thought. I don’t think we can call this a value pick. Tambellini says he plays with an edge, Bill Dandy really liked him a lot and this was likely a scouts pick.

#121 overall G Tyler Bunz: Redline had him #178 overall but I’m fine with using a depth pick like this one. In fact, I think the Oilers should use one every year in this range. They only need to get lucky once a decade. His SP numbers are poor, but that Tiger team didn’t play much defense whenever I saw them. Freddie Chabot has worked with him through the Team Canada development camps and is high on him.

#162 overall D Brandon Davidson: ISS had him #74 and Redline had him #204. That’s a wide range, but Remmerde (a great fricking blog, buddy was our guide today folks) is a straight forward scout and says there are some things to like. Based on his words, I’m counting this as a value pick

.#166 overall L Drew Czerwonka: and the chocolate factory! Sorry. There’s not much to say about a pick like this one. There are no expectations, it was probably a pick for the area scout and if he turns out holy hell that’s a great pick. The only negative is that there are still some names on the board at this time who graded out better and that’s something this organization does at certain points in the draft: select for need. Having said that, it wasn’t like Slava Trukhno shot the moon.

#181 overall F Kristians Pelss. Poster Buddhaa over at hf boards: Pelss played for the farm team of Riga Dinamo – the Riga Dinamo Junior which played in the Belarus Open League (+/- ECHL level). Was the youngest player on the team. Didn’t score much. Unless he’s drafted by CHL, he should play next year in the Rigan Dinamo junior team in MHL (the junior league for KHL). Pelss played in U18 and had three points in 6 games (2+1). Haven’t seen him much, but supposedly should have decent upside if he’s put in proper development program (e.g. CHL). Long shot, but an interesting story.

#202 overall L Kellen Jones: Undersized skill player who performed well for the Vernon Vipers. Has a twin brother and they’re both heading to the NCAA (Quinnipiac) this fall. His brother’s name is Conner, but I think we should call him “Chipper.” Like the Czerwonka pick above, they either “saw him good” or this is a hat tip to some regional scout or bird dog who has done good work in the past. There’s not a lot to recommend this player outside of solid numbers in a secondary league.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, TSN1260 beginning at 10. Steve Lansky will join us from BigMouthSports at 10:20, there’s a live mic game on Canada Day (Argos-Roughriders) and Steve’s on it. We’ll also talk to Steve Kournianos as we wrap up the draft with our final ‘insider’ from the 2019 edition. At 11:05, Matthew Iwanyk stops in and discusses last night’s Eskimos game and some curios calls (and too many penalties!) and then at 11:20 FC Edmonton’s General Manager Jay Ball plus brilliant goalie Connor James will pop in to chat about the big Canada Day game.

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  1. bwar says:

    Those top 9 prospects seem like they would have done better than our bottom 9 forwards last season. Is that saying we have a nice group of prospects or a terrible group of NHLers?

  2. Ben says:

    I really thought Martindale would make it…

    Given the options seemingly-available, I’m increasingly OK with Lucic coming back in a bottom six role.

    He’s a low-event, average-speed, positive possession player who one day lost his ability to catch or throw a pass. Maybe he makes Tkachuks nervous, who knows. But I think he can now be George Laraque, who had a couple of ok seasons on the 4th line, occasionally moving up depending on the game.

    Keeping him is simply the best of no other real options.

  3. knighttown says:

    Ben:
    I really thought Martindale would make it…

    Given the options seemingly-available, I’m increasingly OK with Lucic coming back in a bottom six role.

    He’s a low-event, average-speed, positive possession player who one day lost his ability to catch or throw a pass. Maybe he makes Tkachuks nervous, who knows. But I think he can now be George Laraque, who had a couple of ok seasons on the 4th line, occasionally moving up depending on the game.

    Keeping him is simply the best of no other real options.

    There really isn’t much option but to begin being “ok with it”. The Leafs/Canes trade set the market on cap space and the price to move him wouldn’t be in the ballpark of what has been speculated on here for years.

    If it cost the Leafs a first rounder for 6.25M in cap space (total) then trading Lucic would cost the Oilers at least 3 first rounders and maybe more.

    If what was rumoured last year about Chia having an “out” on the Lucic deal is true, now faced with the change in the market, it instantly becomes his biggest black mark on what is already a staggeringly terrible resume.

  4. Ben says:

    knighttown: he Lucic deal is true, now faced with the change in the market, it instantly becomes his biggest black mark on what is already a staggeringly terrible resume.

    Nah, the 16+33 for Reinhart is still the head vampire of all his bad moves.

    If he acquires a decent top-4 D with those assets the horrawful butterfly effect of Hall-Larsson-Lucic etc. doesn’t domino into the toilet.

  5. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Marody had strong possession numbers in his 6 games up. He was only averaging ~7 ES minutes/game and was lugging Lucic around. I took that stint as a plus arrow.

  6. Primetime says:

    knighttown:
    If what was rumoured last year about Chia having an “out” on the Lucic deal is true, now faced with the change in the market, it instantly becomes his biggest black mark on what is already a staggeringly terrible resume.

    Totally agree. Interesting to hear people debate a similar issue with JP, ie. should we wait a year to trade him in case he increases his value in Europe? Or cut the chord and get what you can now, in case he actually lowers his value overseas?

    The major difference being that there is a good possibility of JP gaining some value. There was literally 0% chance of Lucic bouncing back…if he had an out and didn’t take it, then that was truly Chia’s biggest gift to us…

  7. Ari says:

    Ah, the 2010 draft. There was so much promise. I actually thought Martindale would make it too.

    I just read a tweet on Kesselring. Is he a legitimate prospect at this time. I’m liking his boxcars, but I haven’t heard much about him. Anyone?

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    Group Poll:

    Do the Oilers announce a UFA signing on July 1st. Yes or No?

  9. flea says:

    knighttown,

    I think the trade could still happen for another poor contract, like Erickson. That is the alternative to a pure cap dump, which the leafs absolutely needed, but the Oilers don’t. It would just be nice to spend that money in a better way.

    I’m ok bringing him back. I think he’s a perfect pick for Seattle, and maybe he waives his NMC to go there. I also think he’s got a bounce back season in him at some point. His personal life sounds like it’s been a bit of a mess, but maybe some distance on those challenging times will be reflected on the ice.

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown,

    There really isn’t much option but to begin being “ok with it”. The Leafs/Canes trade set the market on cap space and the price to move him wouldn’t be in the ballpark of what has been speculated on here for years.

    And then Jim Benning paid a 1st for a good player who was a cap dump.

    The market depends on who the buyer is in cases like these.

    You’ll never get a pure dump of Lucic’s contract, something shitty is coming back.

    I’d be ok with Eriksson.

  11. flea says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Yes – I’m gonna guess Mrazek and Connolly.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Marody had strong possession numbers in his 6 games up. He was only averaging ~7 ES minutes/game and was lugging Lucic around. I took that stint as a plus arrow.

    Lucic was a CF% and GF% boost to most of his team mates.

    No shit

  13. bwar says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Yes. Jason Spezza $5Mx5.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    bwar:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Yes.Jason Spezza $5Mx5.

    Tambo’s GM again?

  15. Andy Dufresne says:

    Group Poll:

    Does Mitch Marner get offer sheeted at $10,568,588 per year, ( two first-round picks, a second-rounder and a third.)

    A) Yes
    B) No
    C) Damn, I hope so !

  16. Todd Macallan says:

    Still think about Pelss from time to time, what a tragedy.

  17. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Hmm: I wonder what the Oil main criteria was (save hall). I see a pattern in the next 5 picks (hint: rhymes with “lies”, in terms of main attribute. How many people in the org are still here from then:?

    Ty: “Big, physical”
    Marincin: “mobility (for a man his size)”
    Hamilton: “MBS likes his size”
    Martindale: “growing into his body (6.02)”
    Blain: “good size”

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody was definitely not impressive during his games last year – he was a step behind the play at all times. Was that a function of 5 minutes per game with other tweeners and no offensive driver at all on the line or a function of the skating just not being good enough?

    How would he look with Khaira and Jesse, ooop, not Jesse I guess, but Khaira and Gagner (or Pirri)?

    I think Joe G is a solid option for the 12th-14th forward spot. He isn’t fast but he’s tenacious and gets in on the forecheck despite the speed – similar to Patrick Russell but simply with more upside and more skill.

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Hmm: I wonder what the Oil main criteria was (save hall).I see a pattern in the next 5 picks (hint: rhymes with “lies”, in terms of main attribute. How many people in the org are still here from then:?

    Ty:“Big, physical”
    Marincin: “mobility (for a man his size)”
    Hamilton: “MBS likes his size”
    Martindale: “growing into his body (6.02)”
    Blain: “good size”

    Does size really matter?

    F#ck Yeah!

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    knighttown: There really isn’t much option but to begin being “ok with it”.The Leafs/Canes trade set the market on cap space and the price to move him wouldn’t be in the ballpark of what has been speculated on here for years.

    If it cost the Leafs a first rounder for 6.25M in cap space (total) then trading Lucic would cost the Oilers at least 3 first rounders and maybe more.

    If what was rumoured last year about Chia having an “out” on the Lucic deal is true, now faced with the change in the market, it instantly becomes his biggest black mark on what is already a staggeringly terrible resume.

    The Avs moved Soderberg’s $5 mill cap and received a third round draft pick in exchange. Maybe the Leafs didn’t set the market. Maybe that was the price for moving it so very early. Having said that, I’m not optimistic the Oil can move Lucic.

  21. Andy Dufresne says:

    Does size really matter?

    Its like the old adage:

    “Money isnt important……..unless you dont have any.”

  22. bwar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Tambo’s GM again?

    We need that veteran presence!

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Tambo’s GM again?

    Joke all you want, but that tie is going into the Hockey Hall of Fame!

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ben:
    I really thought Martindale would make it…

    Given the options seemingly-available, I’m increasingly OK with Lucic coming back in a bottom six role.

    He’s a low-event, average-speed, positive possession player who one day lost his ability to catch or throw a pass. Maybe he makes Tkachuks nervous, who knows. But I think he can now be George Laraque, who had a couple of ok seasons on the 4th line, occasionally moving up depending on the game.

    Keeping him is simply the best of no other real options.

    There are no other options – cap space has become so valuable that its become clear the contract is not currently disposable unless an equally egregious one is returned – considering its the worst contract in the league, there is no egregiously equal to return, even Eriksson, so a sweetener would have to be added for that type of player.

    Give the man 10-12 minutes on the 3rd or 4th, depending on roster construct, and hopefully he can pick up his “speed of play” on transition and gain a little confidence. We know he doesn’t crater possession or goals against, the hope is he doesn’t crater goals for.

  25. Ben says:

    I like Joe G too, but the best candidates for the Oilers’ 4th line are probably the Oilers’ 3rd line. Need to top-fill.

  26. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar: its the worst contract in the league

    Would you trade him for Seabrook straight-up?

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    FUN FACT:

    Steve Tambellinis father, Addie Tambellini, helped the Trail Smoke Eaters win the 1961 World Ice Hockey Championships, the last Canadian amateur team to do so. Steves brother, Jeff Tambellini, was drafted 27th overall by the Los Angeles Kings in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft. Jeff is now following in his grandfathers foot steps becoming the Head Coach and General Manager of the Trail Smoke Eaters of the BCHL in 2018.

  28. Durag says:

    Yikes that 2010 draft is awful.

  29. Ben says:

    Durag:
    Yikes that 2010 draft is awful.

    Hall, Pitlick, Davidson? That’s a pretty good draft.

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ben: Hall, Pitlick, Davidson? That’s a pretty good draft.

    Remember Taylor vs Tyler?

    Guess the Hart Trophy decided that one!

  31. JOFA says:

    Man I would have loved to see Rem lift the cup in 2006. What a story that would have been. I can’t recall if he ever played another NHL game.

  32. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Hmm: I wonder what the Oil main criteria was (save hall).I see a pattern in the next 5 picks (hint: rhymes with “lies”, in terms of main attribute. How many people in the org are still here from then:?

    Ty:“Big, physical”
    Marincin: “mobility (for a man his size)”
    Hamilton: “MBS likes his size”
    Martindale: “growing into his body (6.02)”
    Blain: “good size”

    31,46,48 & 61.
    That’s essentially Four 2nd round picks & what did we have to show for it?
    Sweet F all!
    Within what, 4 years?
    Incredible

  33. Woogie63 says:

    Here is how the next few days will go

    Sign

    Haas 2x$1M
    Connolly 4X$3.5M
    Smith 1X$2M

    Trade
    Russell+Maksmov for Woods $2.750
    Jesse for Burakovsky (Washington retains $1.6M) $1.6M

    Woods-McDavid-Burakovsky
    Hopkins-Driasaitl-Connolly
    Nygard-Haas-Gagner
    Lucic-Khaira-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Sekera-Nurse
    Jones- Benning
    Persson

    Koskinen
    Smith

    1. Much faster
    2. Better bets on the wing
    3. Bring some youth on the conveyor belt
    4. $79M ish on the Cap
    5. PK has lots of options

  34. Louis Levasseur says:

    I’m intrigued by the possibility of signing Mike Smith. My concern is age and recent injury issues, but I think if you can get him on a 1 year deal for something reasonable it might be good. I love how he handles the puck. That might help our defencemen break out the puck. I also like the fact that he is an intense guy. He will probably gives us a bit of swagger.

  35. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lucic was a CF% and GF% boost to most of his team mates.

    No shit

    Puck goes in the right direction but seemingly never goes in.

    We’d love him at $2M

  36. Durag says:

    Woogie63,

    Haas scored 15 fewer points than his teammate Mark Arcobello. I don’t think he’s a candidate for 3C

  37. PennersPancakes says:

    Durag,

    I wouldnt want to pencil him as 3C either but I do have more faith in Haas than Arcobello for sticking in the NHL despite the lower boxcars. Where Arcobello was undersized (5 8) and was only really praised for his offensive abilities. Haas is 6 feet tall and praised as an offensive center who also plays a solid two way game. Theres good word on his back checking and scouts saying he could also lead a shutdown line. Sounds like a skill set that could survive the modern bottom six role.

    Id say perfect world they bring him in as a 4C but nothing is perfect with the Oilers. Except McDavid

  38. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    There really isn’t much option but to begin being “ok with it”. The Leafs/Canes trade set the market on cap space and the price to move him wouldn’t be in the ballpark of what has been speculated on here for years.

    And then Jim Benning paid a 1st for a good player who was a cap dump.

    The market depends on who the buyer is in cases like these.

    You’ll never get a pure dump of Lucic’s contract, something shitty is coming back.

    I’d be ok with Eriksson.

    Oh for sure, you could probably get another disgusting contract out of it and like you, I’d take Eriksson but honestly, mostly just because it’s not Lucic.

    What I’m referring to is the complete get-out-of-jail free card that was rumoured to be in front of Chia last summer. Put it this way, seeing the price Dubas paid I’d consider Holland for canonization if he could move Lucic + Jesse for a 7th and only retain 1-2 million.

    Or the other option is trading with Jim Benning but I expect he’s getting lots of calls now.

  39. Lowetide says:

    New for The Atlhletic:: Analyzing the free agent options Ken Holland may consider as he builds a bridge to the future

    https://theathletic.com/1049351/2019/06/28/lowetide-analyzing-the-free-agent-options-ken-holland-may-consider-as-he-builds-a-bridge-to-the-future/

  40. Reja says:

    JOFA:
    Man I would have loved to see Rem lift the cup in 2006. What a story that would have been. I can’t recall if he ever played another NHL game.

    Rem was a true Oiler through and through did his job was a quiet leader and did score the big goal on occasion. What I liked most about him was he would always win the big faceoffs from both sides wether it be penalty killing or the last minutes of a close game he was the man. We really need someone like that.

  41. YKOil says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Group Poll: Does Mitch Marner get offer sheetedat$10,568,588 per year, ( two first-round picks, a second-rounder and a third.)

    A) Yes
    B) No
    C) Damn, I hope so !

    A) and C)

    The $10.5m option is a no-brainer to my mind. If the Oilers had this type of space they should make the offer. Marner is special. Last guy I saw like him, in terms of being the heart and soul of a team was Ryan Smyth. Marner is a guy you go get.

    I think Toronto would match, and I think they would be relieved to put it to bed at that price to be honest. Marner, in the meantime, gets high pay and reduced term.

    Vegas went out and got Stone last year. Great move.

  42. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Marody was definitely not impressive during his games last year – he was a step behind the play at all times.Was that a function of 5 minutes per game with other tweeners and no offensive driver at all on the line or a function of the skating just not being good enough?

    How would he look with Khaira and Jesse, ooop, not Jesse I guess, but Khaira and Gagner (or Pirri)?

    I think Joe G is a solid option for the 12th-14th forward spot. He isn’t fast but he’s tenacious and gets in on the forecheck despite the speed – similar to Patrick Russell but simply with more upside and more skill.

    I never noticed good or bad he didn’t receive enough ice-time to make a evaluation either way in my opinion. He may be a Tippett man or he could be done here l guess will find out this fall and winter.

  43. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Group Poll:

    Does Mitch Marner get offer sheetedat$10,568,588 per year, ( two first-round picks, a second-rounder and a third.)

    A) Yes
    B) No
    C) Damn, I hope so !

    C

  44. JimmyV1965 says:

    YKOil: A) and C)

    The $10.5m option is a no-brainer to my mind.If the Oilers had this type of space they should make the offer.Marner is special.Last guy I saw like him, in terms of being the heart and soul of a team was Ryan Smyth.Marner is a guy you go get.

    I think Toronto would match, and I think they would be relieved to put it to bed at that price to be honest.Marner, in the meantime, gets high pay and reduced term.

    Vegas went out and got Stone last year.Great move.

    I agree. I think the Leafs would be relieved to get an offer sheet of $10.5 mill. If I’m Marner, I want to be paid like Mathews and Tavares.

  45. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Group Poll:

    Does Mitch Marner get offer sheetedat$10,568,588 per year, ( two first-round picks, a second-rounder and a third.)

    A) Yes
    B) No
    C) Damn, I hope so !

    No. Why would he sign an offer sheet for less than he wants from the Leafs? Makes no sense to me. Only advantage to Marner is the term restriction on OSs. And why would other teams want to help the Leafs with their negotiations? You can’t get a player to sign an offer that the team he’s negotiating with would immediately match.

  46. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lucic was a CF% and GF% boost to most of his team mates.

    No shit

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Players might play weaker competition when they are playing with Lucic. They might play with better D when playing with Lucic.

  47. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree.I think the Leafs would be relieved to get an offer sheet of $10.5 mill.If I’m Marner, I want to be paid like Mathews and Tavares.

    Make it a two year offer sheet…i.e. a two year transition deal at $10.5 million. The Leafs won’t like that.

  48. alberta bound edmonton says:

    Ari,

    Saw him (Kesselring) last night at the Billy Moore’s cup. Impressive. McCurdy has a take on him in today’s Cult of Hockey as he reviews last night. I saw Lavoie, McLeod, Hebig and McFee good. Bouchard looks and acts like a man among boys out there.

  49. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: The Avs moved Soderberg’s $5 mill cap and received a third round draft pick in exchange. Maybe the Leafs didn’t set the market.Maybe that was the price for moving it so very early.Having said that, I’m not optimistic the Oil can move Lucic.

    I think the price for Marleau was so dear because it was understood that CAR was buying him out.

    They bought a 1st round pick for just over $3MM

  50. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lucic was a CF% and GF% boost to most of his team mates.

    No shit

    I’m probably one of the few posters that thinks Lucic is probably a bigger help today than Eriksson. However I’d still make the trade… Eriksson can be bought out more favourably down the road. But no way am I adding something to make the trade happen.

  51. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Puck goes in the right direction but seemingly never goes in.

    We’d love him at $2M

    Exactly

  52. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think the price for Marleau was so dear because it was understood that CAR was buying him out.

    They bought a 1st round pick for just over $3MM

    Precisely. Or would likely “have to” buy him out. That and urgent timing.

  53. Norgate says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Minor correction, Jeff is Steve’s son (and Addy’s grandson). It seems everyone returns to Trail eventually, though thankfully I haven’t succumbed yet and after 32 years away might be free.

  54. defmn says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Group Poll:

    Do the Oilers announce a UFA signing on July 1st.Yes or No?

    I hope not. This is a year to wait for value to emerge.

  55. Pescador says:

    Durag:
    Woogie63,

    Haas scored 15 fewer points than his teammate Mark Arcobello. I don’t think he’s a candidate for 3C

    Yes he is,
    Just for Bakersfield not Edmonton

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Correlation does not equal causation.

    Oooooh…..while true, that kind of kicks one of the legs out from underneath the analytics stool. Or at least creates a wobble.

    Anyone know where we can purchase a “wooden” shim?…..anyone?

    KIDDING!

  57. Alpine says:

    I’d call whatever teams are trying to give Wayne Simmonds five years and tell them to take Lucic at 2 mil retained. We’d also throw in a pick or prospect and take back some money. That’s a better deal than blowing 4-5 mil on Simmonds for the next few years and not getting a free asset or two plus dumping a contract.

  58. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Gagner’s numbers are actually pretty solid, reading deeper in to them.

    Probably would’ve been a target in UFA if VAN had bought him out.

    Was a lot better away from Brandon Sutter in VAN.

    Should be a PP fixture.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Make it a two year offer sheet…i.e. a two year transition deal at $10.5 million.The Leafs won’t like that.

    What is the relastionship between AVV an Cap Hit?

    The compensation limits are the AAV of the offer sheet averaged over the length of the contract to an upper limit of five years. Here is an example to explain this: If Mikko Rantanen signs an offer sheet for 7 years at 10 million, that seems at first look to require two first-round picks, one second and one third.

    But that $70 million has to be divided by 5, so it’s actually an AAV of $14 million, and is a top-tier, four first-round picks compensation offer sheet.

    Under this scenario, is Rantanen’s Cap Hit $10m ?

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think the price for Marleau was so dear because it was understood that CAR was buying him out.

    They bought a 1st round pick for just over $3MM

    I’d take that deal any day!!! $3 mill for a first round pick is cheap cheap cheap. Maybe Dubas isn’t the boy wonder we all thought he was. More likely he’s a young GM with some strong analytical skills and some holes in his game, just like most rookies thrust into positions of great responsibility.

  61. Nit64 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Group Poll:

    Does Mitch Marner get offer sheetedat$10,568,588 per year, ( two first-round picks, a second-rounder and a third.)

    A) Yes
    B) No
    C) Damn, I hope so !

    C).

    For a long contract MLSE should expect to pay above $10,568,589 . And you’d think Marner is not wanting to go very much below Matthew’s $11,634,000 for a long contract.

    But if MLSE plays hardball below $10,568,589 then Marner can set the term for $10,568,589 if someone will sign even though they know MLSE will match.

    What is in Marner’s control is a bridge deal if MLSE is playing RFA hardball.

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think the price for Marleau was so dear because it was understood that CAR was buying him out.

    They bought a 1st round pick for just over $3MM

    So in other words, Marleau would only Waive if the Dubas agreed to send him to a team that had already agreed to buy him out. Hence the “premium” that Dubas had to pay?

    How much does Marleau get paid under this scenario?

  63. Andy Dufresne says:

    Norgate:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Minor correction, Jeff is Steve’s son (and Addy’s grandson). It seems everyone returns to Trail eventually, though thankfully I haven’t succumbed yet and after 32 years away might be free.

    Thank You.

    Any idea why they were called The Smoke Eaters?

  64. Nit64 says:

    Munny: I’m probably one of the few posters that thinks Lucic is probably a bigger help today then Eriksson. However I’d still make the trade… Eriksson can be bought out more favourably down the road. But no way am I adding something to make the trade happen.

    there may be more than you think. that’s roughly where my gut is. but have not looked into this.

  65. Nit64 says:

    alberta bound edmonton: Bouchard looks and acts like a man among boys out there.

    Probably it’s the onion on this belt.

    Has anyone started an Old Man Bouchard parody account?

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny: I’m probably one of the few posters that thinks Lucic is probably a bigger help today then Eriksson. However I’d still make the trade… Eriksson can be bought out more favourably down the road. But no way am I adding something to make the trade happen.

    How much more favorably?

  67. defmn says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thank You.

    Any idea why they were called The Smoke Eaters?

    I’m guessing you have never been to Trail. 😉

  68. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne: Remember Taylor vs Tyler?

    Guess the Hart Trophy decided that one!

    The trades decided that one. Once Hall went to New Jersey nobody cared anymore

  69. northerndancer says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thank You.

    Any idea why they were called The Smoke Eaters?

    Because ” unwilling consumers of sulphur dioxide and other toxic byproducts of smelting lead and zinc” is too long to fit on the crest of a hockey sweater.

  70. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne: How much more favorably?

    Two less years of buyout.

  71. Reja says:

    YKOil: A) and C)

    The $10.5m option is a no-brainer to my mind.If the Oilers had this type of space they should make the offer.Marner is special.Last guy I saw like him, in terms of being the heart and soul of a team was Ryan Smyth.Marner is a guy you go get.

    I think Toronto would match, and I think they would be relieved to put it to bed at that price to be honest.Marner, in the meantime, gets high pay and reduced term.

    Vegas went out and got Stone last year.Great move.

    Fuk the Leafs and Fuk Mitch the bitch you are not getting McDavid for at least 7 years. If Leon takes another step forward this year we’re talking the best one- two punch since I don’t know when.Holland please sign or trade for a half-ass goal scorer to complete the Canadian Triple Crown Line.

  72. Munny says:

    Reja: Holland please sign or trade for a half-ass goal scorer to complete the Canadian Triple Crown Line.

    The Triple Crown Royal Line?

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    northerndancer: Because ” unwilling consumers of sulphur dioxide and other toxic byproducts of smelting lead and zinc” is too long to fit on the crest of a hockey sweater.

    Lol

  74. Reja says:

    Norgate:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Minor correction, Jeff is Steve’s son (and Addy’s grandson). It seems everyone returns to Trail eventually, though thankfully I haven’t succumbed yet and after 32 years away might be free.

    Sooner or later your LEAD back to Trail.

  75. Reja says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Gagner’s numbers are actually pretty solid, reading deeper in to them.

    Probably would’ve been a target in UFA if VAN had bought him out.

    Was a lot better away from Brandon Sutter in VAN.

    Should be a PP fixture.

    Gagner on the 2nd PP with more time will be good he has that slap pass down to a T and it seems unstoppable when it works. It was a real weapon for him in Columbus let him run PP 2 and go through him I think it will be successful maybe Benson with his fine passing.

  76. namflashback says:

    My distinct Rem Murray memory was from the 97 (i think it was 97) series against Colorado. He was given the checking assignment against Peter Forsberg and did more than hold his own.

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’d take that deal any day!!! $3 mill for a first round pick is cheap cheap cheap. Maybe Dubas isn’t the boy wonder we all thought he was. More likely he’s a young GM with some strong analytical skills and some holes in his game, just like most rookies thrust into positions of great responsibility.

    Lou signed the shitty Marleau and Zaitsev contracts and Dubas is trying to clean up that mess

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Correlation does not equal causation.

    Players might play weaker competition when they are playing with Lucic.They might play with better D when playing with Lucic.

    It speaks to the awfulness of the bottom 6 last year.

    it also speaks to a PDO heater that 27-93 has last year.

  79. Andy Dufresne says:

    northerndancer: Because ” unwilling consumers of sulphur dioxide and other toxic byproducts of smelting lead and zinc” is too long to fit on the crest of a hockey sweater.

    HHHAAA! HAA!

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: So in other words, Marleau would only Waive if the Dubas agreed to send him to a team that had already agreed to buy him out. Hence the “premium” that Dubas had to pay?

    How much does Marleau get paid under this scenario?

    Marleau gets is $3MM signing bonus plus $415K x 2, so I guess it’s almost 4MM cost to CAR.

    Since he was over 35 when Lou gave him the contract CAR has the full 6.25MM cap hit on the books for a year.

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn: I’m guessing you have never been to Trail.

    Ate a bit of smoke the one year I lived in Prince George. 🙂

  82. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny: Two less years of buyout.

    Where do I sign?!

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Norgate,

    Horcoff was a Smoke Eater.

    Tom Renney started his coaching career there while also working at a men’s wear retail store.

    Lots of NHL ties in Trail.

  84. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny: The Triple Crown Royal Line?

    Officer: Toe the line son.

    Driver:…..which one?…..The line on the left, the one on the right or the one in the middle?

    (Experiential Tip: Always swing at the guy in the middle. 🙂)

  85. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Marleau gets is $3MM signing bonus plus $415K x 2, so I guess it’s almost 4MM cost to CAR.

    Since he was over 35 when Lou gave him the contract CAR has the full 6.25MM cap hit on the books for a year.

    So San Jose should only have to pay him about $2m to make up for his lost wages.

    Wilson should send Dubas a Fruit Basket or a membership in Jam of the Month Club.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    To get out of cap hell, if the Leafs pitched trading Matthews, Nylander, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic, Russell & Benson, would you do it?

    Alternatively, would you do Matthews, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic & Bouchard?

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lou signed the shitty Marleau and Zaitsev contracts and Dubas is trying to clean up that mess

    Good Point.

  88. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    To get out of cap hell, if the Leafs pitched trading Matthews, Nylander, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic, Russell & Benson, would you do it?

    Alternatively, would you do Matthews, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic & Bouchard?

    No and NO

  89. Bag of Pucks says:

    OR
    Marner, Nylander & Zaitsev for RNH, Lucic & Bouchard.

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Sooner or later your LEAD back to Trail.

    Genius. You’ve just answered the question thats been in the ether since the Bobby Nicks interview. “Whats in the water at Kingsway?”

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Freidman out with Burakovsky to Toronto

    if I heard it right

  92. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    To get out of cap hell, if the Leafs pitched trading Matthews, Nylander, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic, Russell & Benson, would you do it?

    Alternatively, would you do Matthews, Kadri & Zaitsev for McDavid, Lucic & Bouchard?

    Whatcha Talkin About Willis?

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Stauffer on the buyout band-wagon again.

    Saying something like ” the consequnces of a buyout today will mainly land in 2020-21 and 2021-22 right when the cap is projected to increase significantly (new TV contract etc)”

    and then, “a buyout today would allow you to move from getting a bottom six winger to getting a middle six winger.”

    LT is a genius. Been prognosticating that it might be Sekera who gets boughtout for what 6 months now?

  94. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kasperi Kapanen and Andreas Johnsson each signed a contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs on Friday. Each could have become a restricted free agent on July 1.

    Kapanen signed a three-year, $9.6 million contract. It carries an average annual value of $3.2 million. Johnsson signed a four-year, $13.6 million contract that carries an average annual value of $3.4 million.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    OR
    Marner, Nylander & Zaitsev for RNH, Lucic & Bouchard.

    Cheques in the Mail.

    Put them on a Plane.

    Hang up the Phone!

    (Note to self: Send Dubas a Fruit Basket)

  96. Durag says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Freidman out with Burakovsky to Toronto

    if I heard it right

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Sounds like the deal will be Burakovsky to COL for a 2nd and the third the Avalanche just got from ARIZ in the Soderberg deal.

  97. Yegfoundation says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    So why dump him then? You either like the metrics or you don’t. He brings the toughness, that’s still a tool in the coaches tool box on the roster.

  98. Andy Dufresne says:

    Durag: Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Sounds like the deal will be Burakovsky to COL for a 2nd and the third the Avalanche just got from ARIZ in the Soderberg deal.

    Thank You.

    How many votes did Sakic get for GM of the Year.

    Whatever it was, it wasnt enough.

    Turned aging 33 yr old $4.75m Soderberg into 24 yr old $3.45m? Burakovsky

    Easy Peasy Andre’s Easy

  99. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Leafs now at $74 million, no Marner, 4 NHL dmen and no first round pick next year.

    There best be other shoes to drop or they’re gonna lose Mitch… wow

  100. Nit64 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Burakovsky

    Note that this done via picks as currency not in direct trades. Apparently that is Kenny’s historical MO as well. Winning sets up a lot of profit on those deals.

  101. Andy Dufresne says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Leafs now at $74 million, no Marner, 4 NHL dmen and no first round pick next year.

    There best be other shoes to drop or they’re gonna lose Mitch… wow

    No word of NMCs or No Trade details for Kapanen or Johnsson on Cap Friendly

    Any chance of a sign and trade if? if it becomes necessary to keep Marner?

    Probably just easier to trade Kadri for picks/prospects. Or trade Kadri for a Dman and dump a few dmen.

  102. Yeti says:

    Andy Dufresne: Turned aging 33 yr old $4.75m Soderberg into 24 yr old $3.45m? Burakovsky

    We’re all aging, regrettably.

  103. Rondo says:

    COLORADO
    AVALANCHE
    F Andre Burakovsky

    WASHINGTON
    CAPITALS
    F Scott Kosmachuk
    2020 2nd-Round Pick
    2020 3rd-Round Pick

  104. YKOil says:

    Andy Dufresne: No word of NMCs or No Trade details for Kapanen or Johnsson on Cap Friendly

    Any chance of a sign and trade if? if it becomes necessary to keep Marner?

    Both Johnsson and Kapanen were better off looking for an offer sheet; up to $4m for only a 2nd round pick. Those two contracts are too friendly by half.

    Oh well, hopefully a market for Marner is expansive and hopefully the Leafs get nailed to the wall for dumping Zaitsev and, probably, Brown and Horton.

    F&*k the Leafs got off easy.

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    Yeti: We’re all aging, regrettably.

    Beats the alternative. 🙂

  106. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    So why dump him then?You either like the metrics or you don’t.He brings the toughness, that’s still a tool in the coaches tool box on the roster.

    He’s a massive drag on the cap.

    A player who can keep his head above water in the bottom 6 isn’t worth $6MM, he’s worth 1.0-1.5

    That’s a top 6 winger worth of lost value and in a cap world that means everything.

    Eriksson brings more offense, can PK and is an easier buyout if it comes to that.

  107. YKOil says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s a massive drag on the cap.

    A player who can keep his head above water in the bottom 6 isn’t worth $6MM, he’s worth 1.0-1.5. That’s a top 6 winger worth of lost value and in a cap world that means everything.

    Eriksson brings more offense, can PK and is an easier buyout if it comes to that.

    Also easier to trade, much easier to trade imo. It is a no brainer really.

  108. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Eriksson brings more offense, can PK and is an easier buyout if it comes to that.

    “when” it comes to that

    But Id still do the deal in a NY Minute.

  109. Norgate says:

    northerndancer,

    There’s nothing that can be added to improve this explanation.

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: No word of NMCs or No Trade details for Kapanen or Johnsson on Cap Friendly

    Any chance of a sign and trade if? if it becomes necessary to keep Marner?

    Probably just easier to trade Kadri for picks/prospects. Or trade Kadri for a Dman and dump a few dmen.

    They’re both RFAs so no NMC or NTC.

    Johnson’s contract has 1 UFA year used up at the end so he could have something there but I doubt it.

  111. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo:
    COLORADO
    AVALANCHE
    F Andre Burakovsky

    WASHINGTON
    CAPITALS
    F Scott Kosmachuk
    2020 2nd-Round Pick
    2020 3rd-Round Pick

    Le Sigh
    That’s what competent GMing looks like

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    Did the Avs get a new assistant GM recently? Maybe after that record-setting crappy year. How does a GM go from meh to genius in two years?

  113. Oil2Oilers says:

    A hockey trade;

    Kris Russell for Brandon Sutter

    4M x 2 versus 4.38M x 2

    Oilers deal from a position of strength, bottom 3 defenders. Vancouver deals from a position of strength bottom 6 center’s. Let’s both team focus free agent money in other areas.

  114. Rondo says:

    Mike Vellucci part ways with the Canes

  115. npanciroli says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    I’d do this I think. I’d ask them to even the cap hit like the Strome Spooner trade.

    I do think you can trade Russell for picks though. Maybe I’m crazy.

  116. RonnieB says:

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but with Burakovsky out Washington potentially has enough Cap space to re-sign Connolly. I guess it depends on whether or not Vrana is willing to accept a bridge deal; if Vrana wants long term $$ he is going to get paid well.

  117. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Brandon Sutter is awful. Vancouver’s lucky he’s been as unhealthy as he has.

  118. RonnieB says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Brandon Sutter is awful. Vancouver’s lucky he’s been as unhealthy as he has.

    ^^
    This

  119. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Derrick Brassard’s numbers dropped drastically after leaving OTT, where they were generally solid.

    Wonder if he’s worth a look at 3C. Numbers were atrocious the last 1.5 seasons.

  120. Ray says:

    The Marner talk of $10.5 …. doesn’t mean he is accepting $10.5.

    If the offer is two years with year one at $8M and year two at $13M it would then force the resulting qualifying offer for all subsequent RFA year to be a minimum of $13M.

    Jay Feaster did this to try and get Ryan O’Reilly out of Colorado.

    The second year is the most important for Marner, and in my opinion this is what we see next week.

  121. RonnieB says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Stauffer on the buyout band-wagon again.

    Saying something like ” the consequnces of a buyout today will mainly land in 2020-21 and 2021-22 right when the cap is projected to increase significantly (new TV contract etc)”

    and then, “a buyout today would allow you to move from getting a bottom six winger to getting a middle six winger.”

    LT is a genius. Been prognosticating that it might be Sekera who gets boughtout for what 6 months now?

    Lucic, Russell and Koskinen seem to be the ones who fit the description of “land in 20/21 and 21/22.

  122. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    No to trading McDavid….

  123. Pescador says:

    RonnieB:
    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but with Burakovsky out Washington potentially has enough Cap space to re-sign Connolly. I guess it depends on whether or not Vrana is willing to accept a bridge deal; if Vrana wants long term $$ he is going to get paid well.

    Dammit RonnieB!
    How are the Oilers supposed to get better if keep injecting reality into the conversation?
    Let me have my cake until Monday would ya?

  124. rickithebear says:

    Forest farmer:

    I saw competent GMing for a 2 yr period in Edm.

    Mact had drafted Nurse, Draisaitl, in the first round.
    Drafted a .20+ evgpg Top playoff goal scorer Slepyshev
    Drafted Lagesson in the fourth round.

    He had the first choice in draft secured Mcdavid.

    Had arrange for a top 5 open HD save% goalie Talbot with slather.
    For assets from Hemsky & Petry trades.

    Acquired Pittsburgh’s #16 pick for Perron.
    With potential to take Barzal wanted by MacT,s scouting staff.

    PC credited MacT & Buck for Caggulia & Benning signing.

    MacT had a top 5 HD dman in place.
    So would not have needed to trade for Larsson.

    Extensive cap space available for signing Mcdavid & Draisaitl in the future.

    MacT was acquiring Personel to match cup core. To run an elite 3-2-1 HD transition passing system.

    MacT,s major failing was selecting Eakin as a coach.
    Eakins ran the highest % of 3-1-1-1 play of any coached team in 25 years.

    Draisaitl – Mcdavid – xxx
    Hall – Barzal – xxx
    Pouliot -RNH – Eberle RNH & Ebs 1.00 ppg players on this line.
    Slepyshev – Caggulia – Pitlick
    Deepest top 125 fwd team since the late 80’s

    Klefbom – Fayne
    Marincin – xxx
    Nurse – Benning
    Davidson
    4 future top 60 HD dmen in place.
    Deepest since 05-06 when we had 5

    Talbot
    Top 5 open HD goalie

    We had cup core roster in place.
    To be cup competative for the next decade.

    #1 listed need in any cup core roster.
    Top HD sys coach.
    A guy like Gallant, Tippett, Debor, Quenville, Sutter, Trotz, Cooper

    A god awful coach cost us a GM who had us set up to be cup competative for a decade.

    F………………………………..!

  125. GMB3 says:

    Play horribly for Lafreniere

    Dead last for Alexis

    Anyone got any better ones?

  126. Durag says:

    leadfarmer: Le Sigh
    That’s what competent GMing looks like

    It’s a nice pickup for the Avs, but honestly the Oilers aren’t in a position to give up 2 draft picks.

  127. northerndancer says:

    Norgate,

    you are too kind.

  128. Numenius says:

    rickithebear: A god awful coach cost us a GM who had us set up to be cup competative for a decade.

    Agreed. MacT badly mis-valued Petry and overvalued Schultz, but I thought other than that he did a good job of the drafts, trades, and signings.

    It was hiring Eakins that skewered everything. What a disaster.

  129. Ryan says:

    rickithebear,

    The trade and sign of Niki Nikitin for $9 m bucks was a masterstroke… I’m sure he’s a zero Corsi %open hole shot suppressing top 10 NHL d, for sure. It’s just too bad he couldn’t skate or pivot.

    The Ference signing was also brilliant to add character to the room even if he was well past his prime and signed for too many dollars and term…

    I looked at Capfriendly the other day. I was surprised to see we’re still paying Benoit Pouliot.

    I also always believed when you’re assessing goaltenders if you have to ask the question…

    I thought that was a great trade in terms of getting an expensive, over-the-hill fourth liner for our starting goalie. Underrated genius.

    Challenging Petry with that contract was another shrewd move that paid dividends.

    If you’re going to fire coach, you might as well use the latest tech available. What’s wrong with Skype?

    No, the MacT GM era was an unmitigated disaster.

  130. northerndancer says:

    What do the Trail Smoke Eaters and the Edmonton Oilers have in common, besides the obvious shortening of key industrial products/byproducts to fit on the jersey?

    It’s time for the best deli in western Canada hockey town side thread!

    Putting players into the hockey blender is like making tasty sausage. The ingredients need to work together. The sum of the whole is greater than the individual parts. That is why team building is important and yet unmeasurable! The St.Louis Blues sausage is a casing in point.

    And in Trail BC the Ferraro’s Family Foods is the best nitrate filled deli (and much much more than suasage) in western Canada, perhaps trailed only by Spinelli’s in Edmonton. Yes, that Ferraro. Spinelli’s Italian Centre is tops for cheese but Ferraro’s pulls in the other kind of smoke eaters from across the Columbia basin.

    Sorry to see the door close on Burakovsky. That Sakic is one smart cookie. Back to our regular hockey blog.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    knighttown,

    I think the trade could still happen for another poor contract, like Erickson. That is the alternative to a pure cap dump, which the leafs absolutely needed, but the Oilers don’t. It would just be nice to spend that money in a better way.

    I’m ok bringing him back. I think he’s a perfect pick for Seattle, and maybe he waives his NMC to go there. I also think he’s got a bounce back season in him at some point. His personal life sounds like it’s been a bit of a mess, but maybe some distance on those challenging times will be reflected on the ice.

    The Oilers do need the cap space but they need it if they want to improve not like Toronto that needed it just to keep the rest of their team together. Lucic for cap space has now proven to be a non-option.

    I don’t see why Lucic would be perfect for Seattle unless his game has turned around. He is very likely to waive, I mean, if he’s still here, why wouldn’t he? Of course Seattle would never take him. If his game is the same, why would they take a $6M x 2 AHL player. I don’t think something like reaching the cap floor will be an issue. He’ll waive so he wont’ be protected but he won’t be taken..

  132. Marc says:

    Ray:
    The Marner talk of $10.5 …. doesn’t mean he is accepting $10.5.

    If the offer is two years with year one at $8M and year two at $13M it would then force the resulting qualifying offer for all subsequent RFA year to be a minimum of $13M.

    Jay Feaster did this to try and get Ryan O’Reilly out of Colorado.

    The second year is the most important for Marner, and in my opinion this is what we see next week.

    The team making the offer sheet can’t make it too poisonous because if Toronto doesn’t match then they’re stuck with a huge QO to keep Marner’s rights in two years.

    So I wouldn’t expect to see a short term bridge offer sheet that’s heavily backloaded. If I were an Eastern Conference GM with cap space though – NYI, Columbus, Carolina, Florida – signing Marner to a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet seems like a no lose situation.

    If Toronto match you’ve blown their cap space for the foreseeable future, guaranteeing that this year’s team is weaker than last year’s. And if they don’t match you’ve taken one of your competitors’ best players in the prime of his career for a 2 firsts, a second and a third round pick.

    And for Marner, signing a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet guarantees that he’ll either make more than Matthews over the next 5 years because of the high QOs he’ll get. Or he becomes a UFA at the absolute prime of his career if he isn’t qualified.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag:
    Woogie63,

    Haas scored 15 fewer points than his teammate Mark Arcobello. I don’t think he’s a candidate for 3C

    I think too much is being put on both the European signings.

    Frankly, I don’t thin Haas should even be penciled in to the NHL – he’s probably in the P. Russell/J. Curie group slightly behind Joe G fighting for a 12th to 14th forward.

    Nygard is likely pencilled in to the NHL lineup but isn’t a shoe-in – he’s fighting with the likes of Brodziak for a roster spot but any thoughts on him starting at 2LW or 3LW are aggresive in my mind.

  134. Durag says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    My thoughts exactly. They’re depth to keep the kids from yo-yoing when injuries hit.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag: It’s a nice pickup for the Avs, but honestly the Oilers aren’t in aposition to give up 2 draft picks.

    In particular for a player that will be making $1M to $1.5M more than he should be this coming year and is potentially a UFA in a year because of it (i.e. not getting another QO if does’t improve game).

  136. Ray says:

    Marc: The team making the offer sheet can’t make it too poisonous because if Toronto doesn’t match then they’re stuck with a huge QO to keep Marner’s rights in two years.

    So I wouldn’t expect to see a short term bridge offer sheet that’s heavily backloaded. If I were an Eastern Conference GM with cap space though – NYI, Columbus, Carolina, Florida – signing Marner to a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet seems like a no lose situation.

    If Toronto match you’ve blown their cap space for the foreseeable future, guaranteeing that this year’s team is weaker than last year’s. And if they don’t match you’ve taken one of your competitors’ best players in the prime of his career for a 2 firsts, a second and a third round pick.

    And for Marner, signing a 2 x $10.5M offer sheet guarantees that he’ll either make more than Matthews over the next 5 years because of the high QOs he’ll get. Or he becomes a UFA at the absolute prime of his career if he isn’t qualified.

    Exactly. Almost a perfect scenario for everyone except Toronto.

  137. Lowetide says:

    From Renaud Lavoie: Looks like @GoldenKnights traded Collin Miller to the Sabres. Trade call not done yet.
    @GoldenKnights

  138. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    From Renaud Lavoie: Looks like @GoldenKnightstraded Collin Miller to the Sabres. Trade call not done yet.
    @GoldenKnights

    How many puck movers do they need?
    Who is going to play defense

  139. npanciroli says:

    Wonder if Buffalo trades Risto. Very intriguing buy low player.

  140. godot10 says:

    npanciroli:
    Wonder if Buffalo trades Risto. Very intriguing buy low player.

    Sekera played like a stud for Ralph at the World Cup.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

  142. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

    Bogosian is recovering from hip surgery. Won’t play till January

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

    I definitely would not say he’s a two way D
    He’s more of an easy minutes offensive defenseman
    that is a collection of guys that will digging pucks out of their net a lot

  144. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Bogosian is recovering from hip surgery. Won’t play till January

    Dahlin better be ready for some very hard minutes
    3 offensive RHD
    Not to go all Bear but just don’t see that working
    That pp is going to have to run on all cylinders to make up for that pk

  145. Numenius says:

    Ryan: I looked at Capfriendly the other day. I was surprised to see we’re still paying Benoit Pouliot.

    I also always believed when you’re assessing goaltenders if you have to ask the question…

    I thought that was a great trade in terms of getting an expensive, over-the-hill fourth liner for our starting goalie. Underrated genius.

    This is overstated and fails to appreciate the context.

    Pouliot was a good signing at the time and shouldn’t have had to be bought out. His departure was more a casualty of the bad coaching.

    Dubnyk’s departure was also necessitated by the bad coaching. His confidence was destroyed and it wasn’t clear he could get it back in Edmonton.

    Agreed that the Nikitin signing was bad. I didn’t like the Ference one either, but those were different days when we didn’t have the McDavid attraction.

    I thought the tone of your post was excessively snarky towards our friend Riki. Disagreement is fine, but he still deserves our respect, as do all posters.

  146. YKOil says:

    Well, if they going to buy-out Sekera my hope is that, at the very least they do it intelligently.

    Sekera
    FOR
    Scandella

    Buy-out Scandella

    yr1 .. $0.833m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $4.667m
    yr2 .. $1.583m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $3.917m

    versus Sekera buy-out

    yr1 .. $2.5m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $3.0m
    yr2 .. $2.5m
    yr3 .. $1.5m … Cap savings from Sekera $5.5m is $4.0m
    yr4 .. $1.5m

    Would not advise that a Sekera buy-out is the right way to go but if they are going to buy him out, there are right ways and wrong ways to do so.

  147. Ryan says:

    Numenius: This is overstated and fails to appreciate the context.

    Pouliot was a good signing at the time and shouldn’t have had to be bought out. His departure was more a casualty of the bad coaching.

    Dubnyk’s departure was also necessitated by the bad coaching. His confidence was destroyed and it wasn’t clear he could get it back in Edmonton.

    Agreed that the Nikitin signing was bad. I didn’t like the Ference one either, but those were different days when we didn’t have the McDavid attraction.

    I thought the tone of your post was excessively snarky towards our friend Riki. Disagreement is fine, but he still deserves our respect, as do all posters.

    My apologies.

    Snarkiness was not intended to be directed at Riki himself, but at my frustration of endless years of GM’s running this franchise in the ground.

    I can be snarky at times, but for past and future reference, it’s intended to be directed at Oilers management, not any posters here.

    For the record, I didn’t hate the Pouliot signing at the time.

    Also, I agree that Eakins’ swarm d system played a big role in the Dubnyk collapse.

  148. John Chambers says:

    Jason Botterill is good at adding NHL players.

    Since last summer:
    Sheary, Skinner, Sobotka, Thompson, Hutton, Montour, now Miller.

    Not all the bets have paid off (O’Reilly deal was a loss), but that’s a third of an NHL roster.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    For some reason, its just Andy that I can’t quote: get error messages.

    Andy – the cap hit is the total compensation (not including performance bonuses for ELC/35plus) divided over the term of the contract: 1-8 years.

    For offer sheets that are signed, the cap hit calculation is that same as above but, to determine compensation, its a 5 years max so, even if the contract is 6-7 years, the total compensation as set out above is divided by 5 to determine what compensation bracket its in.

  150. Side says:

    Numenius,

    Damn, where were you to post police Ricki the other day when he was calling people all stupid simpletons.

  151. Glovjuice says:

    rickithebear:
    Forest farmer:

    I saw competent GMing for a 2 yr period in Edm.

    Mact had drafted Nurse, Draisaitl, in the first round.
    Drafted a .20+ evgpg Top playoff goal scorer Slepyshev
    Drafted Lagesson in the fourth round.

    He had the first choice in draft securedMcdavid.

    Had arrange for a top 5 open HD save% goalie Talbot with slather.
    For assets from Hemsky & Petry trades.

    Acquired Pittsburgh’s #16 pick for Perron.
    With potential to take Barzal wanted by MacT,s scouting staff.

    PC credited MacT & Buck for Caggulia & Benning signing.

    MacT had a top 5 HD dman in place.
    So would not have needed to trade for Larsson.

    Extensive cap space available for signing Mcdavid & Draisaitl in the future.

    MacT was acquiring Personel to match cup core. To run an elite 3-2-1 HD transition passing system.

    MacT,s major failing was selecting Eakin as a coach.
    Eakins ran the highest % of 3-1-1-1 play of any coached team in 25 years.

    Draisaitl – Mcdavid – xxx
    Hall – Barzal – xxx
    Pouliot -RNH – EberleRNH & Ebs 1.00 ppg players on this line.
    Slepyshev – Caggulia – Pitlick
    Deepest top 125 fwd team since the late 80’s

    Klefbom – Fayne
    Marincin – xxx
    Nurse – Benning
    Davidson
    4 future top 60 HD dmen in place.
    Deepest since 05-06 when we had 5

    Talbot
    Top 5 open HD goalie

    We had cup core roster in place.
    To be cup competative for the next decade.

    #1 listed need in any cup core roster.
    Top HD sys coach.
    A guy like Gallant, Tippett, Debor, Quenville, Sutter, Trotz, Cooper

    A god awful coach cost us a GM who had us set up to be cup competativefor a decade.

    F………………………………..!

    Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

  152. HT Joe says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

    Best of all, MacT would have gotten rid of Eakins still and Nelson would have been the coach.

  153. leadfarmer says:

    If you have Marincin Fayne and xxxx as your top 4 D then you have nothing.
    That defense doesn’t make the AHL playoffs
    Might as well add Nikitin and Foster and Manning to that garbage pile
    If all your D men do is defend you are always defending
    Up the boards and out means you are always defending
    Dumping the puck means you are defending
    These Ricki defensemen are almost extinct
    Nobody is offering them spots above replacement level

  154. Side says:

    I wonder if the Oilers replaced MacT with a good GM if people would still be romanticizing MacT’s work.

    MacT did some good, but a lot of bad. And the bad outweighed the good. Except without him the Oilers wouldn’t have gotten McDavid. So maybe it all evens out.

  155. Side says:

    leadfarmer:
    If you have Marincin Fayne and xxxx as your top 4 D then you have nothing.
    That defense doesn’t make the AHL playoffs
    Might as well add Nikitin and Foster and Manning to that garbage pile
    If all your D men do is defend you are always defending
    Up the boards and out means you are always defending
    Dumping the puck means you are defending
    These Ricki defensemen are almost extinct
    Nobody is offering them spots above replacement level

    I’m also confused by ricki’s comment about how good that D lineup would be, when he’s always bashing Klefbom and Nurse for not being good D, but somehow having Davidson, Fayne and Marincin makes it the deepest since 06? And he says it as a compliment for MacT but, imo, looking at that lineup shows how badly MacT was at evaluating D…

  156. leadfarmer says:

    Side,

    The way he describes those defensemen there must be a league wide conspiracy keeping these greats out of the league
    Fayne must have slept with Bettmans wife to cause such a harsh treatment

  157. Rondo says:

    Lowetide:
    Ristolainen, Bogosian, Montour and now Miller. Hmm. If I’m Buffalo I want to trade Bogosian, Miller is a two-way type maybe that allows it.

    Lowetide,

    Risto is way overrated.

    https://thechargingbuffalo.net/2019/06/15/evaluating-rasmus-ristolainen-and-his-future/

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    For some reason, its just Andy that I can’t quote: get error messages.

    Andy – the cap hit is the total compensation (not including performance bonuses for ELC/35plus) divided over the term of the contract: 1-8 years.

    For offer sheets that are signed, the cap hit calculation is that same as above but, to determine compensation, its a 5 years max so, even if the contract is 6-7 years, the total compensation as set out above is divided by 5 to determine what compensation bracket its in.

    Thank you OP

  159. leadfarmer says:

    Side,

    And most of those coaches actually do not play a Ricki box protection system instead they play a version of the swarm, pressure the vulnerable areas leaving the box vulnerable in an effort to create turnovers to create scoring chances before defensive systems can be set up. This is why scoring is going up because coaches have realized that unless you have ridiculous talent like Mcdavid defensive systems are very hard to break.
    Gallant requires Fleury to stand on his head because he is comfortable with exchanging scoring chances off the rush

  160. Andy Dufresne says:

    Side:
    Numenius,

    Damn, where were you to post police Ricki the other day when he was calling people all stupid simpletons.

    To be fair, he thinks of some of the posters here as smart simpletons

  161. Andy Dufresne says:

    Side: I’m also confused by ricki’s comment about how good that D lineup would be, when he’s always bashing Klefbom and Nurse for not being good D, but somehow having Davidson, Fayne and Marincin makes it the deepest since 06? And he says it as a compliment for MacT but, imo, looking at that lineup shows how badly MacT was at evaluating D…

    Ricki is a Capologist at heart. He wants to out Billy Bean Billy Bean.

    “I think the question we should be asking is “do you believe in this thing or not?”

    “It’s a problem you think we need to explain ourselves. Don’t. To anyone.”

    Stay Strong Ricki. Ursa Major.

  162. pts2pndr says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

    Eakins was the problem and MacT refused to see it! It cost him his job. There is no perfect GM. I may not have agreed with some of his moves as GM but he also made some astute moves. I wish him well in Russia.

  163. Ben says:

    The downside is that Holland hasn’t done anything yet.

    The upside is that Holland hasn’t done anything stupid yet.

    We’ve all had hot sticky fantasies about Chia coming in and simply staying mostly inactive and drafting BPA. Unless there’s an objectively lopsided deal available to Holland, I’m happy for him to tweak the edges of the roster while focusing on drafting and developing.

    No idea if McDavid will survive that approach, but it’s a shorter line to a championship than blowing your brains out on buyouts to fit in overpriced third-liners on heavy term.

  164. rickithebear says:

    Lead farmer
    Way to confirm your gumpness.

    Life is like a box of chocolates.

    Like chocolate from the 80,s

    I stated 3-2-1 yields the least amount of goals.
    I said 3-1-1-1 is god awful for ga.
    I said in my cup core theory you try to get the best Dmen who defend the HD area and reduce shots to 0X density?
    The 60 best.

    If 6 x 31 dmen who get the most minutes of any team.
    That is 60/186 = 32.26% of starting d population.

    Since when is being 32% of a population extinct.
    Forest farmer

    There are 5 big minute dmen a lot of time in playoffs.
    The thing is you will find 8 x 2.667 HD dmen in the final 8 on avg.
    35% of the 60 HD dman population.
    That is not extinct.

    So lots of gm’s are acquiring non open HD dmen.
    To chase offence.

    Which can get you in to the playoffs.
    But brutal open HD defences still yeild High Ga rates in playoffs.
    The reg season GF is greatly reduced in playoffs.

    Calgary has been traditionally one of the 3 lowest open HD save% defences in the league.
    Creating a brutal standard of save % for a goalie to perform around.
    Edmonton was the worst open HD sv% defence during Eakins career.

    When it comes to playoff teams.
    HD dmen still playing
    52.5% of final 8 dmen
    70% of final 4 dmen.
    That is not extinct.

    I am suppose to value your kind of thinking gumper.

    And the people who think this is a strong opinion.

    I am now going to call you
    Flat earth forest farmer and his disciple.

    Choosing the approach of the biggest loser GM’s is not the way to go.

    3 top 60 HD dmen.
    Larsson
    Sekera facing 2nd comp or lower.
    Benning

    I stated multiple times in the past pairing an elite 0% shot density dman with a top 60 HD dman will generate that open HD dmans ranking in established save%.
    Russell

    That is 4

    McClellan who had run higher % 3-2-1 structure systems.
    Ran a more 3-2-1 than we had seen since any post MacT coach.
    We hadStrong top 125 depth And .20+ evg production.
    1 elite open HD Dpair &
    2 top HD dmen paired with rovers who were asked not to roam.
    A top 5 Open HD goalie.

    We make the 2nd round.
    2 proper goalie interference calls should have seen us in the final 4.

    Last couple of years we have run a higher % of 3-1-1-1.
    the affect of abandoning HD area is so dramatic.
    Our GA climbed to the worst rankings in the league.

    We missed Eberle s reg season avg 17 evg the last 2 years.

    Yes I am not wanting what all the loser GM’s want.

    I am and trying to get the top 60 HD dmen.
    That are 70% of the final 4 gm’s

    14 of final 4s 20 most used d was top HD.

    The only thing extinct is the Forest farmers GM’s in the final four.

    Add this to the notes.

  165. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Please ancient bear
    Please inform us where Nikitin Fayne Marincin Manning are currently playing. Please inform the world why we are wrong every coach and Gm in the league is wrong
    Also outside of Talbots one year please show us how he was top 5 in anything
    Defensemen than cannot pass are pretty much done.
    Your theory has been refuted by every team in the league
    Yet you cannot see what’s in front of you
    Now 1995 hockey is calling you back
    The game has changed

  166. hags9k says:

    I must lead the league in posts to the old thread/60…

    This will be out of step here now but just was thinking out loud to myself in an empty room that Koskinen was just tired in the second half. He didn’t quite have the same quickness and was not as sharp following the play, compared to the start of the year.

    He was very, very good out of the gates.

  167. Lowetide says:

    hags9k:
    I must lead the league in posts to the old thread/60…

    This will be out of step here now but just was thinking out loud to myself in an empty room that Koskinen was just tired in the second half.He didn’t quite have the same quickness and was not as sharp following the play, compared to the start of the year.

    He was very, very good out of the gates.

    I think that’s a great point. Love the idea of a 30-game backup, someone to push him, but I liked Koskinen for several stretches of the season.

  168. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Bears are going the way of the dinosaurs. The game has changed drastically in last 6 years
    Here is hd shot 5v5 data for 2013-14 season
    Top 10 G that season
    Varlamov 6.83 !!!
    Lundqvist 6.68
    Lehtonen 6.3
    Smith 6.43
    Miller 6.08
    Price 5.78
    Bishop 5.3!!!!
    Pavelec 5.78
    Fleury 5.1!!!
    Bernier 5.85

    Now since I’ve been yelling at the top of my lungs the name of the game is speed speed speed
    Last year
    Holtby 7.3
    Gibson 7.24
    Markstrom 7.0
    Bob 6.4
    Jones 6.3
    Price 5.9
    Helle 6.1
    Andersen 6.3
    Howard 6.8
    Fleury 6.1

    It’s very hard to see how bears can’t see this

  169. leadfarmer says:

    Glovjuice,

    Do you realize how many “rovers” these guys you listed employ?
    You should be outraged at their stupidity
    All should be fighting for Fayne and Russell
    And not just rovers. High minute rovers and multiples of them
    Why would you want Deboer. He should be top idiot on your list

  170. defmn says:

    Ben:
    The downside is that Holland hasn’t done anything yet.

    The upside is that Holland hasn’t done anything stupid yet.

    We’ve all had hot sticky fantasies about Chia coming in and simply staying mostly inactive and drafting BPA. Unless there’s an objectively lopsided deal available to Holland, I’m happy for him to tweak the edges of the roster while focusing on drafting and developing.

    No idea if McDavid will survive that approach, but it’s a shorter line to a championship than blowing your brains out on buyouts to fit in overpriced third-liners on heavy term.

    This is where I am at as well. Fix the bottom six. Find a second goalie who won’t cost the team games.

    Wait for the right deal to come along.

    Management has to stop pushing and start doing smart things.

  171. leadfarmer says:

    leadfarmer,

    Meant at archeology bear not you
    Him and dusty old relic and Chia may very well be the same family of bears

  172. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    Glovjuice,

    Do you realize how many “rovers” these guys you listed employ?
    You should be outraged at their stupidity
    All should be fighting for Fayne and Russell
    And not just rovers.High minute rovers and multiples of them
    Why would you want Deboer.He should be top idiot on your list

    Deboer ran HD defence with the depth he had.
    Great HD rosters.
    Deboer championship coach in?
    2012 EC champs with NJD strong HD GA def.
    2016 WC champs with SJS with strong HD GA defence.
    Should have lost in first round but the deepest cup core roster failed to advance cause of a quality 5 min major call then Ref the rest of playoffs & his job. Then his GM punted one of his HD dmen.

    So I looked at Dmen acquired since June 14.
    PHI hired Fletcher as GM.
    He allways used a strong HD def in MiN.
    He acquired Niskanen a forerbtop 10 HD dman while facing 1st comp
    He acquired Braun a former top 10 HD dman while facing 1st comp.

    CHI allways had top HD dmen anchored by the best 1st comp playoff HD dman of his decade Hjarlmasson.
    Bowman inherited Chi top cup core theory roster from Talon
    But may have clued in
    He acquired top 40 HD dman Matta.
    Then acquired the #2 0% corsi Dman behind #1 Russell, DeHaan.

    Buffalo just went out and acquired one of the 9 top 60 HD dmen VGK acquired in expansion.
    Top 45/HD dman. Colin Miller.
    He plays a top 10 caliber in a 3-2-1 system. But adjusts his HD abandonment when rovering to still achieve top 45 results.
    This is the lone type of rover I would want on my team.

    Nurse has displayed elite HD defensive play. He must learn to understand that his deep ozone rovering provides almost no HD penetration. He is best suited to be a 4th option coming down to tops of circles.
    Could HD anchor our Def moving forward.
    Hope Holland, Tippett & Playfair correct that.

    Thinking a 2 time champion coach as a problem.

    Dumb forest farmer dumb!

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    defmn: This is where I am at as well. Fix the bottom six. Find a second goalie who won’t cost the team games.

    Wait for the right deal to come along.

    Management has to stop pushing and start doing smart things.

    If you’re not pushing, you’re standing still. If you’re waiting for the right deal to come along, you might be waiting a long time. There’s plenty of aggressive GMs in this league who have enjoyed tremendous success. Wilson and Armstrong say hi. You could add Treleving as well. The problem with Edmonton is when the GMs pushed, they did the wrong things. Boneheaded egregious things actually. Of course, the utter failure to draft and develop is a big part of it as well.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Andy: No word of NMCs or No Trade details for Kapanen or Johnsson on Cap Friendly

    ————————

    Trade protection can’t be attached to RFA years, only UFA years so, no, there would be no trade protection in the next few years for those guys – no need to wait for a word.

  175. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    Bears are going the way of the dinosaurs.The game has changed drastically in last 6 years
    Here is hd shot 5v5 data for 2013-14 season
    Top 10 G that season
    Varlamov 6.83 !!!
    Lundqvist 6.68
    Lehtonen 6.3
    Smith 6.43
    Miller 6.08
    Price 5.78
    Bishop 5.3!!!!
    Pavelec 5.78
    Fleury 5.1!!!
    Bernier 5.85

    Now since I’ve been yelling at the top of my lungs the name of the game is speed speed speed
    Last year
    Holtby 7.3
    Gibson 7.24
    Markstrom 7.0
    Bob 6.4
    Jones 6.3
    Price 5.9
    Helle 6.1
    Andersen 6.3
    Howard 6.8
    Fleury 6.1

    It’s very hard to see how bears can’t see this

    Open shots vary from 3 to 10 meaning you are providing data were 66.7% to 90 % has 0% score density & no goal data.
    But you still did not differentiate between The expected open HD save% established by what Dpair.
    Were did most of the real goal scoring open HD density come from.
    3-2-1 or 3-1-1-1 structure.
    You know what my results say.

    Cause you know what I see a lot of quick transition passes to unchallenged forwards yielding fast skating forwards quick transition to free path of HD area.

    Remember what happens when forward and a team set up NZ trap. The dmen would sit in behind the net looking for open ( uncontested) passing lane.

    Yeah there is a lot of great speed added to the game in the reg. season.
    Cause of 3-1-1-1.
    But the team that won the cup could defend the HD area and was 4 HD Dmen deep.
    Binnigton just got into some elite top 3 career playoff open HD save% goalie company joining Murray from Pittsburgh.

  176. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: If you’re not pushing, you’re standing still. If you’re waiting for the right deal to come along, you might be waiting a long time. There’s plenty of aggressive GMs in this league who have enjoyed tremendous success. Wilson and Armstrong say hi. You could add Treleving as well. The problem with Edmonton is when the GMs pushed, they did the wrong things. Boneheaded egregious things actually. Of course, the utter failure to draft and develop is a big part of it as well.

    Timing is important. This is not the summer to push, imo.

    Stability first. Then the push.

  177. Reja says:

    McSorley33:
    Bag of Pucks,

    No to trading McDavid….

    The trolls are bored let them have there jolly’s . Back in the day nobody brought up
    Trading The Great One except for this one fellow that moved from cow shit town he would yap
    and yap and then he was gone one day no explanation needed and then life carried on the way it should be.

  178. Reja says:

    Glovjuice: Agreed 100%. I would have paid some of my own money (although I couldn’t have afforded much) to have retained MacT over Chia for the 3 years post 97 draft year. Absolutely would have been in a better place even with Eakins still in the chair. I guarantee it.

    Chop water carry wood no fun allowed Eakins destroyed a lot of careers but apparently not his own because he’s the queen on the casting couch. Worst coach in Oilers history and anybody that thinks otherwise can meet my inbred nephew on 97th street at midnight sharp.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    Two more days to get through without a buyout – deadline is Sunday afternoon.

    Come on Holland – hang tight!

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Quite a few accounts of Michael Kesselring being a stand out at development camp – I guess if we were told he was a first rounder before camp, the show would have fit that narrative. He’s a big kid and I guess, as big as he looked last year, he’s put on 15 pounds and is a beast now.

    He’s only 19 (drafted last year) and his heading to college, North Eastern.

    Someone to keep an eye on in his first few years of college.

    Unfrotunately, being a college guy we won’t be able to see him at rookie or main camp.

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