Thunder Road

by Lowetide

Yesterday we were talking Brett Connolly, Petr Mrazek and Brian Boyle. Today? Mike Smith, Gustav Nyqvist and Valtteri Filppula. Such is life in the fast line.

Yesterday fans were grumbling about how slow the pace, the Andrej Sekera buyout served as a sudden slap upside the head, and now we’re in business.

Some fans are shocked Mike Smith could make $4 million, but the final $2 million is tied to performance thresholds. If Smith makes $4 million in 2019-20, you’re going to love him.

I would not have signed Mike Smith. I wrote about him at The Athletic and that story will be up this morning (and we’ll have the entire day covered). That said, I’m thrilled it appears to be a one-year deal. Let’s chat.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers add Mike Smith to an uneasy goalie depth chart for 2019-20
  • New Lowetide: Oilers buy out Andrej Sekera, look to a more dynamic free-agent frenzy.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers have a tough decision to make as the NHL buyout deadline looms
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the free agent options Ken Holland may consider as he builds a bridge to the future
  • Jonathan Willis: Brett Connolly could be a good fit for the Oilers at a reasonable price-point.
  • Jonathan Willis: Five free-agent goalie options who might make sense for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: What we learned about the future of NHL at the 2019 Draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Jonathan WillisOilers keep two, cut five, and potentially add new targets as qualifying deadline passes
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

CURRENT PROJECTED ROSTER, CAP

This is going to change a lot today, we could see any number of players traded (Edmonton still hasn’t signed the two rfa’s) over the next 24 hours. I’ve added Mike Smith in, keeping the bonus out of the conversation for now.

The money can be tweaked (Manning sent down, saving $1M or so) but I do believe we’ll see a trade at some point (and some free agent signings). I wonder about some of those secondary names we discussed earlier in the week (Brandon Pirri, etc). Bottom line? This team needs a scoring winger. RFN.

FREE AGENTS

Frank Seravalli’s list is here, names in play for Edmonton are Gustav Nyqvist (No. 12), Mike Smith (No. 15), Brandon Tanev (No. 21), Alex Chiasson (No. 29), Brian Boyle (No. 31), Valtteri Filppula (No. 34), Noel Acciari (No. 38).

Frank’s final trade list is here. Jason Zucker (No. 2), Chris Kreider (No. 7) and Nikolaj Ehlers (No. 11) all fit the Oilers needs, all unlikely to be dealt to the Alberta capital today.

He posted a 1.09 points per 60 at 5-on-5, played most often with Jake Virtanen and Tyler Motte. He posted a 48.70 Corsi for 5-on-5. Puck IQ has him playing 26.6 percent of his overall 5-on-5 time against elites, 47 percent DFF and +5 DFF RelCorsi%. He’s just 42.8 percent in the dot on around 350 faceoffs, and lefthanded. I think he’s competition for Khaira, Nygard and Benson, not the No. 3 center. Reports have the deal at $1.3 million times one year. More on him as the day goes on. The Athletic has you covered all day with articles on the roster moves, stay tuned!

RADIO

TSN1260 will hit the airwaves at 10 this morning, Dave Jamieson hosting a cast of many over the hours of free agency. I’ll be chiming in, as will Ryan Rishaug, Jason Gregor, Jason Strudwick and others. Stay tuned!

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Rube Foster

OriginalPouzar:
Responding to Rube stating:

Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

If Gusevis available, he would be a Gord send.

____________________________

I’ve heard some very unofficial rumblings that Gusev is “seeking” $5M-$6M – obviously, if that’s the case, notwithstanding tearing up the KHL, he’s out of touch with reality and, if he is “seeking” that type of cash, a hard pass.

Cody Eakin, mind you….

$5M… ouch.

I wonder if he would sign a “show me” deal with the Oilers for a chance to play with best player in the world and play for the Russian whisperer GM.

With that said, I don’t know if we have enough cap for Eakins and a “show me” Gusev.

Rube Foster

ArmchairGM: I don’t see Lindberg as a center though. What makes you think he can thrive in that role? Do you really think Holland will go with an unproven player in the most important bottom-6 role?

ArmChair,

Your concern about Lindberg’s Faceoff capacity is valid. However, should Holland share the same enthusiasm for Lindberg at 3C as OP, I think we’ll be just fine.

Up until recently Holland has enjoyed the benefit of speaking with noted Swedish Fishing guide Håkan Andersson on a regular basis. I am certain there isn’t a current Scandinavian NHLer that hasn’t been thoroughly vetted and discussed by Andersson and Holland. Lindberg would certainly have been on Andersson’s radar.

If we sign Lindberg to play 3C, by proxy that means Håkan Anderson believes he is an NHL Center. That’s good enough for me.

sumaclab

The market for Conner and Laine was set yesterday. Aho’s contract puts the ball squarely in the Jets court. at almost 17 million for these 2 players it is going to put a squeeze on the Jets to move cap space out and sign not only these 2 players but also bring in a servicable defenseman.
If its me. I call Vancouver up to see if they will take Lucic at 50%. Or Ottawa.
Though Ehlers playoff scoring drought is at 21 games his seasonal totals are excellent. like Eberle,he is a guy who will get you to the playoffs by scoring during the season.
I still think Larrson will be moved. Kreider?
With so many signings yesterday there will be some teams needing time to digest theie moves and then we should see a few trades for teams looking to sign RFAs..They will need capspace.

Oilers should get a quality winger. Patience is the key. .

ArmchairGM

Rube Foster:
OP,

I’m on the Oscar Lindberg train. He’s fast Lander and he is just entering his prime and trying to get established. Edmonton could be the perfect landing spot for him. I would prefer Lindberg or Sheehan for 3C over Boyle. The older gents like Boyle just don’t seem to work out for us in Edmonton.

If there is a way to pry Eakins and Gusev out of Vegas that would go a long way to addressing some significant gaps in our roster.Play some funky music Jools, make it happen!

Also, MPS for $1M. Come back home Ultra Magnus.I’m still crossing my fingers for afor a Red Wing-esque Tre Kronor Line of Nygard – Lindberg – Paajarvi.Speed Kills.

Day One FA Frenzy over. Time for Jools Holland to tinkle the ivories.

I don’t see Lindberg as a center though. What makes you think he can thrive in that role? Do you really think Holland will go with an unproven player in the most important bottom-6 role?

OriginalPouzar

Responding to Rube stating:

Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

If Gusevis available, he would be a Gord send.

____________________________

I’ve heard some very unofficial rumblings that Gusev is “seeking” $5M-$6M – obviously, if that’s the case, notwithstanding tearing up the KHL, he’s out of touch with reality and, if he is “seeking” that type of cash, a hard pass.

Cody Eakin, mind you….

Rube Foster

OP,

I’m on the Oscar Lindberg train. He’s fast Lander and he is just entering his prime and trying to get established. Edmonton could be the perfect landing spot for him. I would prefer Lindberg or Sheehan for 3C over Boyle. The older gents like Boyle just don’t seem to work out for us in Edmonton.

If there is a way to pry Eakins and Gusev out of Vegas that would go a long way to addressing some significant gaps in our roster. Play some funky music Jools, make it happen!

Also, MPS for $1M. Come back home Ultra Magnus. I’m still crossing my fingers for a for a Red Wing-esque Tre Kronor Line of Nygard – Lindberg – Paajarvi. Speed Kills.

Day One FA Frenzy over. Time for Jools Holland to tinkle the ivories.

Crazy Pedestrian

ArmchairGM: Meh. He missed on quite a few players that were widely discussed here on this forum, many of whom signed for LESS than projected. Connolly, Ennis, Pirri, Panik, etc.

Connolly – Florida has WAY more benefits to provide than Edmonton could have.
Weather, Location, Travel Schedule, No Taxes, and not having to play hockey in a fishbowl environment are some of them off the top of my head.

Pirri – Vegas has practically all of those same benefits (minus travel), and is practically already a cup contender.

Panik – Washington is a perennial cup contender and also benefits from travel and location.

Ennis – …. I’ll definitely give you that one. Ottawa… BLECH!!!

ArmchairGM

oilersfan:
Would Riley sheahan make sense as a 3c?

Offense is inconsistent but he is an excellent penalty killer and is good at face offs.

Would likely sign for close to 1.5. Cheaper than Boyle and a better skater

I like Sheahan and I think Holland does too. I haven’t looked at his stats at all, but you’d have to think, given their history together, that Holland is talking to his agent.

ArmchairGM

JimmyV1965:
I’m quite happy with Holland’s performance today. A lot of GMs made awful signings and he wasn’t one of them.

Meh. He missed on quite a few players that were widely discussed here on this forum, many of whom signed for LESS than projected. Connolly, Ennis, Pirri, Panik, etc.

ArmchairGM

Bondo11: I agree with your thought. Here’s what I posted earlier today –

After signing Panarin, the #Rangers now have $8,769,391 in projected cap space, with a roster of 19 (11F/6D/2G)
Notable RFA’s:
Brendan Lemieux
Pavel Buchnevich
Jacob Trouba
Anthony Deangelo
Would Holland trade JP, Bear, & a 2020 2nd for Kreider?
* Kreider has a 11 team no trade list, so the Oilers couldn’t be on it or he would have to waive to come to Edmonton.

innercitysmytty:
Bondo11,

Didn’t see your post but yeah exactly my thinking too. With Kreider UFA next summer and rangers having to dump salary I’m not sure it would even take that much. But if it did I would make that trade and if you can sign him long term great, if not deal him at the deadline if we’re out of it.

Kreider is exactly the player-type we need more of – sort of a Maroon with speed – but I don’t see how we fit him under the cap and still get the 3C that Holland wants. Sadly I think one of our rivals picks him up in a sweet deal (the story of the past few days).

ArmchairGM

dustrock:
Can’t wait until Holland has to trade for an NHL capable goalie 25 games into the season

Nah, just bring Starrett up. It worked for St. Louis.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: So, they won’t sign Marner until after the season starts?

You’ve forgotten about the 10% off-season cushion?

LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.

Of they could use the training-camp equation. The training camp equation can be used on the last day of training camp in preparation for the first day of the season:

ACSL = Team cap hit – LTIR player’s cap hit

Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, on the last day of the off-season a team has a projected cap hit of $78M and places a player with an AAV of $3.5M on LTIR:
Team cap hit = $78M
Player’s cap hit = $3.5M
ACSL = $78M – $3.5M = $74.5M
To accrue cap space while the team continues to use LTIR, they would need to trade players to get below a projected cap hit value of $74.5M.

ArmchairGM

I haven’t read through all the comments on the thread, but I’d like to hear from all the people that were against pursuing Connolly who would rather have spent that money on Donskoi and another piece. I wonder if they noticed that Donskoi signed for $700k MORE than Connolly did.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: He was also very dismissive of the suggestions and pressing question on a top 6 winger but was clear he still needed a 3C.

Cody Eakin or Oscar Lindberg for me.

I don’t think Lindberg is a legitimate option for 3rd line center. He’s only taken 410 faceoffs in the past 2 years, or 3.47 per game. For the Oilers last year that rate would have been 10th:

Draisaitl 16.3
McDavid 11.8
Strome 11.3
Brodziak 11.0
Nugent-Hopkins 10.2
Cave 7.2
Malone 4.5
Marody 4.3
Gagner 3.6

Eakin took about 12 per game last year with a 51% win rate.

ArmchairGM

YKOil: By default, barring a dump of Lucic or Russell

I agree with the jist of your comment, but I’m counting on being able to move Rusty next summer. Fifteen team trade list and just $1.5M owing on his contract and I think you’ll see a cash-strapped team willing to take that on – as long as he can still play.

Here’s hoping.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: – not done. Still need a 3C. Granlund, Khaira, Gagner can play center but need a real 3C

– want speed, pace and skill in the bottom six. That and a goalie were primary.

– need more 12 goal scorers for the bottom six this year.

So… Derick Brassard?

ArmchairGM

jtblack: Avs can move Barrie cause Makar is ready.

Love what the Avs are doing .wow

Except they got taken to the woodshed on that trade. Big win for Dubas!

ArmchairGM

I’m wondering if Holland couldn’t add a guy like Patrick Marleau for ~$1.5M x 1 today. It would ostensibly fill the “top-6 winger” need and leave some cap space for another aging bet like Vanek or Pominville – all three men scored 16 goals last year and might have something left in the tank.

Marleau and Pominville in particular seem to have skill sets that could work well with RNH.

ArmchairGM

RonnieB:
Just musing…

I wonder how close we were on Connolly. A lot of us thought the Oilers could go as high as $3.5 AAV; hesigned with Florida for $3.25 x 4 (originally reported as $3.5, since changed to $3.25). Was it the 4th year that scared us away ?

Also Mrazek…TSN panel reported that he wanted 3 x $3 which doesn’t seem unreasonable. He signed for 1 x $3 plus 1 x $3.25. Were the Oilers ever involved or were they settled on Smith from the beginning ?

Yeah, these two contracts burn me up. Huge missed opportunities for Holland.

OriginalPouzar

Holland has been very true to his word and has done essentially exactly what he said he is going to do (give or take the Sekera buyout which does create the cap penalty in “contending years” but he did need some room to improve this year).

He was clear yesterday on the 3C being something he wants.

What’s out there in free agency:

Lindberg is my #1 choice
Boyle is there

I’d prefer Lindberg as a potential guy that could help for a while (of course this contract would only be for a few years to see how it goes).

As far as trades, we have a bit of room to “take advantage” of teams that need to dispose and two that come to mind are Vegas and NYR – both will need to shed more cap to make room

Vegas – Cody Eakin – Could he be had for a pick – what about trying to get both Gusev and Eakin – that would require some real acquisition cost though.

Rangers – Ryan Strome – sigh, but, yes, take away the history and he would/should be a target of a team that needs to shed some cap.

Does a 2nd rounder in 2020 get Strome or Eakin – not full value for them but those teams need to shed in order to round out their rosters.

ArmchairGM

Andy Dufresne:
Total of 12 million year One

And nearly $22M by next Canada Day. For a cash-strapped owner, that’s gotta sting.

rickithebear

League median evga/60 was 2.45 this year.
League median ppga/60 was 6.99 this year.

Barries 16-17 to 18-19
220gm 4113:23
That is 68.556 60 minute segments.

3.19 evga/60
2.45 – 3.19 = -.74 goal diff/60 relative to median.

Barries off influence needs to result in 3.19 evgf/60 to break even.
2.57 evgf/60
2.57 – 3.19 = -0.62 evg dif/ 60

-0.62 x 68.556 = – 42 over 220gm

Real question is how much does it cost to get 3 fwds that average 3.19 evgf/60 to break even with barries Evga.
3 x 3.19 = 9.57 evgf/60
Tavares 11M 3.76
Nylander 6.96M 3.00
Kapanen 3.2M 2.87
21.16M of Tor cap space generates 9.63 evg/60 as a line.
That is one heck of a line needed to break even.

oilersfan

Would Riley sheahan make sense as a 3c?

Offense is inconsistent but he is an excellent penalty killer and is good at face offs.

Would likely sign for close to 1.5. Cheaper than Boyle and a better skater

Someone

JimmyV1965: I agree. I would much rather see Holland trade for a player to help RNH now, even if it’s Kreider for one year, than actually trade RNH.

Well I think we’re mostly in agreement then. If Nuge has told management he’s out once his contract is up, i don’t mind seeing hin dealt. I’m just sick of being a development team for the rest of the league and I don’t think the sucking will stop until we find ways to keep these guys (get good players, keep good players). This is one thing that has me excited about Holland, as he managed to hang onto his star players through their best years.

Rube Foster

OriginalPouzar:
Nikita Gusev and VEG appear at odds – coming off his ELC like Persson.

Tore up the KHL last year.

Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

If Gusev is available, he would be a Gord send.

JimmyV1965

Someone: My assumption is that trading a player that the team needs to get the “best value” probably involves picks and prospects yes. I have no issue trading for a young top line winger on a good value long term contract, but…who’s out there?

I don’t know, Nuge is a good player and valuable asset, I think Hollands time is better spent finding ways to keep him around rather than dealing him for the best package available because his value might be high.

I agree. I would much rather see Holland trade for a player to help RNH now, even if it’s Kreider for one year, than actually trade RNH.

Bondo11

innercitysmytty:
leadfarmer,

Same reason boy wonder wants one year of Barrie. Ideally you get a long term asset and/or it’s Kreider and he signs. But when your previous GM has gutted your talent, and you’ve got an asset that is devaluing daily and doesn’t want to play here, sometimes that’s the move to improve in the current year. In a vacuum, with no human element, sure you can get equal value for JP.And like I said if he doesn’t have an interest in re-signing, trade him at the deadline. Will the return at that point be materially worse that what you’d be getting for JP right now?

+1
We need a 2LW to play with Nuge. Kreider would fit perfectly. If we can’t re-sign him prior to the trade deadline, then trade him as a rental and recoup assets.

If not Kreider, then hopefully Holland can swing a deal for a 2nd line winger from one of the other cap-strapped teams.

rickithebear

Sadly when discussing players most fans think all players acquired get at least #2 unit PPTOI.

Which is bat crazy!

That is why when acquiring #6 to 14 forwards I do not expect them to get much/ any PPTOI.
So I only look at those fwds Even/ SH goals for & PKGA/60 rank.

Would hope Nygard can take a bottom 9 role so Mcdavid 1RW TOI can be shared.
Or
sign a guy like Josh archibald. 9evg & #12 PK fwd 4.76 PKGA/. 60

rickithebear

Colorado picked up Kadri, Burakovsky, Donskoi, Bellemore.
1LW Landeskog 75gm 13 evg
1C mackinnon 78gm 23.5
1RW Rantanen 12.5
2LW Jost 68gm 6.5
2C Kadri 78gm 13.5
2RW Burakovsky 63gm 9
3LW Donskoi 73gm 13
3C Compher 73gm 8
3RW Wilson 64gm 6
4LW Calvert 72gm 7
4C Bellemore 80 gm 5
4RW Nieto 67gm 6
82×12 = 984 fwd gm
869 of 984 gm 123 evg
115 gm available

We signed Chaisson, Granlund, Jurco
1LW Draisaitl 81gm 21evg
1C Mcdavid 80gm 27 evg
1RW not available
2LW chaisson 74gm 10 evg
2C RNH 77gm 12 evg
2RW Granlund 66gm 9evg
3LW jurco 65gm 6 evg
3C Khaira 70gm 6evg
3RW Gagner 78gm 8 evg
4LW Lucic 81gm 7 evg
4C Brodziak 73gm 7 evg
4RW Kassian 77gm 9.5 evg
822 of 984gm 122.5 evg

162 gm available
1RW to fill, + 1bott 9 winger to fill.
Or
1RW to share with 3-4 bottom 9 wingers + 2 bott 9 winger spots to fill

I am really comfortable with the evg depth we added today resulting in
10.02 fwds with 122.5 expected evg.

Compared to Colorado’s supposed deep off depth adds.
Resulting in
10.60 fwds with 123 expected evg.

JimmyV1965

leadfarmer:
Why would we trade for one year of Kreider

His trade value is greatly diminished because he only has one year left on his contract. I would hope, and I may be wrong, that a first round pick is off the table because he’s only got one year left on his deal.

As an aside, I think this bolsters my argument for trading RNH sooner than later. Of course I would rather acquire a real winger than trade RNH.

Someone

JimmyV1965: Your assumption here I gather is trading RNH for draft picks. If the team isn’t serious about getting a real winger for RNH, it’s best to trade him at peak value. And you trade him for a very good young player who is signed to term, whose contract doesn’t expire in two years. I don’t want to trade RNH. I would much rather have the team go out and acquire an actual top six winger to play with him. I also know his value in a trade this year will be significantly higher than next year at the same time. And if he doesn’t resign next year at this time, you will virtually be forced to trade him.

My assumption is that trading a player that the team needs to get the “best value” probably involves picks and prospects yes. I have no issue trading for a young top line winger on a good value long term contract, but…who’s out there?

I don’t know, Nuge is a good player and valuable asset, I think Hollands time is better spent finding ways to keep him around rather than dealing him for the best package available because his value might be high.

JimmyV1965

I’m quite happy with Holland’s performance today. A lot of GMs made awful signings and he wasn’t one of them. I didn’t like the Sekera buyout but Holland was obviously correct. No one wanted him at even 50% retained. The extra cap space gives him room to make an actual hockey trade.

Genjutsu

Reja: Little boy blue – he needed the money.

The dark.nature of capitalism?

JimmyV1965

Someone: Problem is, there are no realistic replacements and dealing Nuge sets us back even more. The cap space won’t buy us a Nuge level player, our offense takes a step back, our window of contention gets even more distant, and you’re practically guaranteeing we’re having this conversation about Connor or Leon in the not so distant future. If you get a good, young winger signed long term in the trade that might change things, but trading him just out of worry of losing him to free agency keeps the cycle going IMO.

Your assumption here I gather is trading RNH for draft picks. If the team isn’t serious about getting a real winger for RNH, it’s best to trade him at peak value. And you trade him for a very good young player who is signed to term, whose contract doesn’t expire in two years. I don’t want to trade RNH. I would much rather have the team go out and acquire an actual top six winger to play with him. I also know his value in a trade this year will be significantly higher than next year at the same time. And if he doesn’t resign next year at this time, you will virtually be forced to trade him.

Reja

smellyglove: Nope, Reja is a sheep who takes what the Oilers give him.

Little boy blue – he needed the money.

smellyglove

CalVag: Are you educated?

Nope, Reja is a sheep who takes what the Oilers give him.

Reja

Professor Q:
With the Flames signing Davidson, I really think some funky stuff is happening.

Battle of Alberta is back after Gio took out Connor’s knee.

Professor Q

With the Flames signing Davidson, I really think some funky stuff is happening.

OriginalPouzar

Nikita Gusev and VEG appear at odds – coming off his ELC like Persson.

Tore up the KHL last year.

oilersfan

Isn’t Toronto going to be way over the cap when they sign Marner?

Could Ceci or Kapanen he had for a third?

innercitysmytty

leadfarmer,

Same reason boy wonder wants one year of Barrie. Ideally you get a long term asset and/or it’s Kreider and he signs. But when your previous GM has gutted your talent, and you’ve got an asset that is devaluing daily and doesn’t want to play here, sometimes that’s the move to improve in the current year. In a vacuum, with no human element, sure you can get equal value for JP. And like I said if he doesn’t have an interest in re-signing, trade him at the deadline. Will the return at that point be materially worse that what you’d be getting for JP right now?

OriginalPouzar

I’m not even kidding here but what would it take to get Strome out of New York?

They need to shed material cap and the Oilers need a 3C (as per Holland)?

Either that or purge Vegas of Eakin or sign Lindberg (or Boyle but he wouldn’t be my top choice).

leadfarmer

Why would we trade for one year of Kreider

innercitysmytty

Bondo11,

Didn’t see your post but yeah exactly my thinking too. With Kreider UFA next summer and rangers having to dump salary I’m not sure it would even take that much. But if it did I would make that trade and if you can sign him long term great, if not deal him at the deadline if we’re out of it.

Bondo11

innercitysmytty:
A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.

I agree with your thought. Here’s what I posted earlier today –

After signing Panarin, the #Rangers now have $8,769,391 in projected cap space, with a roster of 19 (11F/6D/2G)
Notable RFA’s:
Brendan Lemieux
Pavel Buchnevich
Jacob Trouba
Anthony Deangelo
Would Holland trade JP, Bear, & a 2020 2nd for Kreider?
* Kreider has a 11 team no trade list, so the Oilers couldn’t be on it or he would have to waive to come to Edmonton.

jake70

Kypreos said earlier today Kadri would not waive for “many” canadian teams….ho hum.

dustrock

Can’t wait until Holland has to trade for an NHL capable goalie 25 games into the season

Gerta Rauss

innercitysmytty:
A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.

Something like that, yes

I think the top 6 winger will come via trade now and JP, a pick, and a young D are the currency in play. Ideally we push out a little salary in the deal

And that’s assuming Kenny is shopping for a top 6 winger- he added 4 forwards today(including Haas) It sounds like 3C is now the target

Reja

Pescador: I believe I believe
We only have $4.88M in cap space (after Manning is waivered)
Still need a 3C & a top 6 winger,
Pick one because we can’t afford both.
I believe I believe that means
No playoffs

Trade for someone on a cost effective contract maybe JP and a D asset. Everyone’s all doom and gloom I thought Holland had quiet effective day. No way Holland is not going to obtain a solid scoring winger everyone needs to take a chill pill. I don’t think the players need to hear they are shit before the season even starts. I really think there’s a section of so called fans that are actually trolls and they love running people out of town before they are given a honest shake.

innercitysmytty

A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.