Thunder Road

Yesterday we were talking Brett Connolly, Petr Mrazek and Brian Boyle. Today? Mike Smith, Gustav Nyqvist and Valtteri Filppula. Such is life in the fast line.

Yesterday fans were grumbling about how slow the pace, the Andrej Sekera buyout served as a sudden slap upside the head, and now we’re in business.

Some fans are shocked Mike Smith could make $4 million, but the final $2 million is tied to performance thresholds. If Smith makes $4 million in 2019-20, you’re going to love him.

I would not have signed Mike Smith. I wrote about him at The Athletic and that story will be up this morning (and we’ll have the entire day covered). That said, I’m thrilled it appears to be a one-year deal. Let’s chat.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Oilers add Mike Smith to an uneasy goalie depth chart for 2019-20
  • New Lowetide: Oilers buy out Andrej Sekera, look to a more dynamic free-agent frenzy.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers have a tough decision to make as the NHL buyout deadline looms
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the free agent options Ken Holland may consider as he builds a bridge to the future
  • Jonathan Willis: Brett Connolly could be a good fit for the Oilers at a reasonable price-point.
  • Jonathan Willis: Five free-agent goalie options who might make sense for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: What we learned about the future of NHL at the 2019 Draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Taking stock of Oilers prospects ready to graduate with a clear shot at an NHL job in 2019-20
  • Jonathan WillisOilers keep two, cut five, and potentially add new targets as qualifying deadline passes
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Raphael Lavoie’s QMJHL coach is confident the Oilers’ No. 38 pick will prove worth the wait
  • Jonathan Willis: Having added top KHL stopper Ilya Konovalov, how will the Oilers handle a crowded goalie pipeline?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanKen Holland doesn’t lose sight of the big picture in drafting defenceman Philip Broberg over a forward
  • Lowetide: The heat is on Ken Holland’s Oilers for Day 2 of the NHL Draft.
  • Lowetide: Oilers Draft Day 1: Getting it right at No. 8 overall and multiple trade winds for Ken Holland.
  • Willis and Mirtle: Are the Oilers and Maple Leafs good trading partners?
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Analyzing the early Edmonton Oilers’ 2019-20 depth chart.
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ conundrum in taking Philip Broberg with the No. 8 overall pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evaluating the pros and cons of potential Oilers buyout candidates
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

CURRENT PROJECTED ROSTER, CAP

This is going to change a lot today, we could see any number of players traded (Edmonton still hasn’t signed the two rfa’s) over the next 24 hours. I’ve added Mike Smith in, keeping the bonus out of the conversation for now.

The money can be tweaked (Manning sent down, saving $1M or so) but I do believe we’ll see a trade at some point (and some free agent signings). I wonder about some of those secondary names we discussed earlier in the week (Brandon Pirri, etc). Bottom line? This team needs a scoring winger. RFN.

FREE AGENTS

Frank Seravalli’s list is here, names in play for Edmonton are Gustav Nyqvist (No. 12), Mike Smith (No. 15), Brandon Tanev (No. 21), Alex Chiasson (No. 29), Brian Boyle (No. 31), Valtteri Filppula (No. 34), Noel Acciari (No. 38).

Frank’s final trade list is here. Jason Zucker (No. 2), Chris Kreider (No. 7) and Nikolaj Ehlers (No. 11) all fit the Oilers needs, all unlikely to be dealt to the Alberta capital today.

He posted a 1.09 points per 60 at 5-on-5, played most often with Jake Virtanen and Tyler Motte. He posted a 48.70 Corsi for 5-on-5. Puck IQ has him playing 26.6 percent of his overall 5-on-5 time against elites, 47 percent DFF and +5 DFF RelCorsi%. He’s just 42.8 percent in the dot on around 350 faceoffs, and lefthanded. I think he’s competition for Khaira, Nygard and Benson, not the No. 3 center. Reports have the deal at $1.3 million times one year. More on him as the day goes on. The Athletic has you covered all day with articles on the roster moves, stay tuned!

RADIO

TSN1260 will hit the airwaves at 10 this morning, Dave Jamieson hosting a cast of many over the hours of free agency. I’ll be chiming in, as will Ryan Rishaug, Jason Gregor, Jason Strudwick and others. Stay tuned!

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  1. digger50 says:

    Lucic will move if there is any deal at all out there. It has been quiet recently, but it is possable a handshake deal was agreed to months ago.

    Jessie P still in play. I hope this is not one for one but a package to bring in a top player.

    So far Holland has been pretty transparent. He got the goalie, he has improved the bottom six. He’s not doing much with the defence.
    Finally, he knows he needs more quality top six wingers. I feel he’s not done yet.

  2. Alpine says:

    Maroon’s offense fell apart last season and he only managed 17 points at 5v5. He might be in Lucic territory where the scoring touch is just gone.

  3. blainer says:

    Holland interview coming…

  4. Oil2Oilers says:

    If the Oilers sign Maroon the will have him + Lucic, Khaira and Kassian. They definitely would not get pushed around during the playoffs, making the playoffs well that’s a different matter.

  5. blainer says:

    Just looked at Jurco.. I wonder if he he could be one of those late bloomers.. second in scoring on the champs for the checkers championship ahl team with a PPG ..

  6. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilers Sign Gaetan Haas

  7. Todd Macallan says:

    Gaetan Haas confirmed by Holland in a comical way.

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    Holland Presser on Sportsnet right now

    Smith competetive, motivated, good puck handler

    Need to find more double digit goal scorers

    Granlund could be one

    Going to have the bottom 6 play a higher pace

    We are not done yet

    Sekera. Quality Guy. Only played 30 gms each of last 2 seasons

    Needed the cap space to get some things done

  9. YKOil says:

    Like the day so far. Meier contract is a gem. So was the Panik contract (Washington is a well run org). For us I like the Khaira/Granlund contracts and the Jurco bet.

    – Smith contract was always going to be a suckers bet given the state of the farm right now and the unknown that is Koskinen – the Habs can bet on Kinkaid but we can’t (in all good conscience).

    – Chaisson contract is high but the term helps it go down.

    CapFriendly has us at $77.57m ($3.91m Cap left) on 22 players listing Manning and Persson.

    —– Flipping in Jones for Manning (save ~ $450k) and
    —– adding a $750k replacement to us to 23 players and
    —– adding $500k to cover expected bonus’ for Smith

    So that leaves some $3m or so in space. Yowsa, all that and all we really accomplished was bringing in one, legit, new forward.

    Lean year. Especially keeping some in reserve for trades.

    Chia, you suck.

  10. jp says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Oilers Sign Geitan Hass

    Was wondering if that would ever materialize. Waiting on some possible (NHL) UFAs maybe? Hopefully he can be an improvement on Brodziak/Cave at least.

  11. Profit says:

    Just caught up after being in the car all day. I honestly don’t think we could have hoped for much more. Bargain bin signings with no major term and a big helping of “Tippett” players.

    I don’t like many of the UFA deals out there at all. Aho is the best deal. Carolina will wait a week to screw with Montreal and match. No brainer.

    Smith’s NTC is literally the last thing I would worry about. It’s 1 year. Come on.

    Holland has a solid B+ from me today.

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lee reups with Islanders 7×7

  13. Andy Dufresne says:

    Holland

    Lagesson, Persson, Jones should compete for roster spots in training camp

  14. BlacqueJacque says:

    Was that Terry Jones asking that question about the fishbowl?

    Whoever it was… retire them.

  15. tileguy says:

    Did Aho sign the offer sheet?

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy:
    Did Aho sign the offer sheet?

    Yes. If Ive got it right, you can only tender a signed offer sheet. And we know for a fact Montreal sent Carolina the Offer Sheet.

  17. Darth Tu says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Holland Presser on Sportsnet right now

    Smith competetive, motivated, good puck handler

    Need to find more double digit goal scorers

    Granlund could be one

    Going to have the bottom 6 play a higher pace

    We are not done yet

    Sekera. Quality Guy. Only played 30 gms each of last 2 seasons

    Needed the cap space to get some things done

    Bottom 6 playing at a higher pace? So… That’s Lucic back to 2LW, or gone?

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    Alrighty then. All the Dominoes have fallen.

    TIME FOR A NAP!

  19. Profit says:

    Holland talking tough on JP.

    If he gets a deal that he likes he’ll make it. If not… It’s up to JP on whether he’ll play or not.

    Wish Chia had that same methodology.

  20. Todd Macallan says:

    Davidson to CGY, hope he knocks out Tkachuk on day one of practice.

  21. Andy Dufresne says:

    Darth Tu: Bottom 6 playing at a higher pace? So… That’s Lucic back to 2LW, or gone?

    lol. Going to have the bottom 6 playing at a higher pace.

    Top 6:

    Maroon McDavid Kassian
    Lucic Draisaitl Chaisson

  22. Alpine says:

    If Holland is punting this year, which it sounds like he is, he should be trading Nuge while his value is at its highest. What’s the point of having him on a relative bargain for 6 mil if you’re not gonna take advantage of that? Get a young top 6 winger and some assets.

    It seems counterintuitive but Nuge will be only be a one year rental after this season and then who knows what he gets in FA.

  23. Darth Tu says:

    Andy Dufresne: lol.Going to have the bottom 6 playing at a higher pace.

    Top 6:

    Maroon McDavidKassian
    Lucic DraisaitlChaisson

    BEAUTY!

    We’ll not be pushed around next year.

  24. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I haven’t been on board before, but if they could cap dump Lucic with JP and a bit do it. There are a few floor teams, payout is down, heavy still is a buzzword.

    That would be impressive.

  25. who says:

    YKOil:
    Like the day so far.Meier contract is a gem.So was the Panik contract (Washington is a well run org).For us I like the Khaira/Granlund contracts and the Jurco bet.

    – Smith contract was always going to be a suckers bet given the state of the farm right now and the unknown that is Koskinen – the Habs can bet on Kinkaid but we can’t (in all good conscience).

    – Chaisson contract is high but the term helps it go down.

    CapFriendly has us at $77.57m ($3.91m Cap left) on 22 players listing Manning and Persson.

    —– Flipping in Jones for Manning (save ~ $450k) and
    —– adding a $750k replacement to us to 23 players and
    —– adding $500k to cover expected bonus’ for Smith

    So that leaves some $3m or so in space.Yowsa, all that and all we really accomplished was bringing in one, legit, new forward.

    Lean year.Especially keeping some in reserve for trades.

    Chia, you suck.

    Okay. So Holland hasn’t dipped into the Sekera buyout savings yet.
    So what does that tell us?
    1. He is still working on that scoring winger. Probably in a trade as most of the UFA options are off the board.
    2. He had something bigger in the works but it fell through.
    3. He is saving the cap space for in season, or trade deadline.
    Surely he wouldn’t buy out Sekera and not use the cap space, would he?

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Alpine:
    If Holland is punting this year, which it sounds like he is, he should be trading Nuge while his value is at its highest. What’s the point of having him on a relative bargain for 6 mil if you’re not gonna take advantage of that? Get a young top 6 winger and some assets.

    It seems counterintuitive but Nuge will be only be a one year rental after this season and then who knows what he gets in FA.

    I agree. If you don’t intend to win this year, trade RNH now while he still has two years left on his deal. There’s a good chance he doesn’t sign here anyway.

  27. Alpine says:

    who: Okay. So Holland hasn’t dipped into the Sekera buyout savings yet.
    So what does that tell us?
    1. He is still working on that scoring winger.Probably in a trade as most of the UFA options are off the board.
    2. He had something bigger in the works but it fell through.
    3. He is saving the cap space for in season,or trade deadline.
    Surely he wouldn’t buy out Sekera and not use the cap space, would he?

    4. He thinks he can do whatever he did in Detroit and that it will work it but his last few years there did not work out. He has never been in this position before in his career.

  28. Rebillled says:

    Sekera in that Dallas jersey for $1.5 is a real something or other.

    Really gonna hate Dallas with Pavelski this year.

  29. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne: lol.Going to have the bottom 6 playing at a higher pace.

    Top 6:

    Maroon McDavidKassian
    Lucic DraisaitlChaisson

    Darth Tu: BEAUTY!

    We’ll not be pushed around next year.

    Will the other teams be going slow enough to let us fight them?

  30. silasbengtsson says:

    Andy Dufresne: lol.Going to have the bottom 6 playing at a higher pace.

    Top 6:

    Maroon McDavidKassian
    Lucic DraisaitlChaisson

    Flawless way to guarantee Draisaitl follows his career year up with his career worst 😬

  31. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think the Oilers were lucky to get the second year on Khaira.

    That should be a value deal for both years.

    Any team in the league would employ Khaira at that price and term when healthy he has real value.

  32. itsaleaf says:

    Well somehow the team is arguably worse than last year.

    See you next year.

  33. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Is Granlund better than Rieder?

    Cant be any worse!

    Is Smith better than Talbot?

    Just took 12 first shot goals against off of the roster! (and gave them to our provincial rivals! You should be able punk your fellow Calgarians all day long!)

    Same team minus Sekera?

    A dman who averaged 30 games a season for the last 2 years (Contrary to popular opinion LTIR does not help a cap strapped team)

    Do I bother tuning in to 1 game?

    RickitheBear says YES!

    Same summer 3 times in a row. HUH?

    New Coach, New GM, New Goalie, 3 New Forwards on opening day of Free Agency. And a little cap space left over for summer trade. Benson, Bouchard, Jones, Samarukov.

    Bad time to take a sabatical IMO

    Bandwagon fair weather fans or a dime a dozen go cheer for Cowshit town bunch of entitled whiners. Why do l feel better all of a sudden that’s right I’m not from that Politically Correct world.Go Oilers Go

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Aside from the Sekera buyout, its seems that through the draft, the lead up trading period to the July 1 and the first day of free agency, Ken Holland has stayed true to his word – while he is going to make some moves that he thinks helps the team improve for this year, he isn’t going do anything that puts a real dent or possible dent in to the ability to build a true contender over the next few years.

    He didn’t commit any term to non-core players and he didn’t overpay (well, i do think Chiasson is high) for current improvement.

    The Sekera buyout does create the 2 extra years of $1.5M but, with a new team for revenue, etc., the cap is supposed to go up marginally by that time so hopefully it shouldn’t be a big deal. I still don’t like the buyout because I think the player is definitely still NHL caliber and reasonably likely 2nd pairing caliber. I understand the thought process and the need to give get some flexibility, I just don’t like buying out good players even if they aren’t full value for the contract.

    Obviously he’s not done and hopefully he will be able to swing a trade or two to grab someone like Cody Eakin (Vegas still needs to get rid of cap. A bigger trade for Ehlers with Russell (with $1M retained) PLUS (like Samorukov/2020 plus) could be something – they do need some D.

    Obviously not an exciting day but a somewhat effective day and he didn’t parlay the Sekera cap money into risky term contracts which was the main key.

  35. Alpine says:

    Mrazek 2 x 3.25 mil
    Lehner 1 x 5 mil

    But yeah, other teams were circling and we had to pay up for Koskinen.

  36. CalVag says:

    Reja: Bandwagon fair weather fans or a dime a dozen go cheer for Cowshit town bunch of entitled whiners. Why do l feel better all of a sudden that’s right I’m not from that Politically Correct world.Go Oilers Go

    Are you educated?

  37. Rebillled says:

    Granlund could score one own goal and be worse than Reider but the odds of that…

    Oh no.

  38. YKOil says:

    who: Okay. So Holland hasn’t dipped into the Sekera buyout savings yet.
    So what does that tell us?
    1. He is still working on that scoring winger.Probably in a trade as most of the UFA options are off the board.
    2. He had something bigger in the works but it fell through.
    3. He is saving the cap space for in season,or trade deadline.
    Surely he wouldn’t buy out Sekera and not use the cap space, would he?

    For trades, I may look at Florida. Hard to say re: Sekera space, $3m is just enough to actually ‘do something’ BUT we also need space for Nurse next year so Holland could hold it all year, have nothing cross his desk that is ‘doable’ and enter next year with the $3m from this year and whatever Cap hike there is and use most of that total on Nurse (I expect $6.5 so $3.2m from his existing salary plus this years $3m plus some crumbs).

    Lucic/Russell HAVE to go. The Russell/Lucic contracts could lose us McDavid to be honest. Just too many years lost in the desert to tie him to the team long-term.

    The difference between the Rangers and us making over the roster to effect? The Rangers had the guys they wanted to lose have good years, more often than not, the year they traded them. We haven’t had that. One ‘down’ asset after another. Hard to win trades that way; throw in the Chia effect and it gets downright brutal.

    That said, I am optimistic we could, injury luck notwithstanding, make the play-offs this year and even if we don’t maybe one or more of Granlund, Russell, Gagner, Kassian, Brodziak, Lucic (yes, even Lucic) et al breaks out and we can trade them for more than peanuts at the deadline.

    What a team!

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m not so sure Dallas will be that dangerous. Love Seksy, but he’s broken, hate Perry and he’s broken, respect Pavelski but he’s well past prime and we’ll see what that looks like on a new team that has a light very young D.

    He’s scored well but that is easier on a vet team that had the same elite players for years and added Karlsson.

  40. Ben says:

    Excited to hear Stan Bowman describe Corey Crawford’s sudden onset leprosy related retirement.

  41. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Alpine:
    If Holland is punting this year, which it sounds like he is, he should be trading Nuge while his value is at its highest. What’s the point of having him on a relative bargain for 6 mil if you’re not gonna take advantage of that? Get a young top 6 winger and some assets.

    It seems counterintuitive but Nuge will be only be a one year rental after this season and then who knows what he gets in FA.

    I agree with the logic. However Holland without he miracle of cap dumping Lucic Sekera and Russell wasn’t in a position to go for it.

    Nuge is at peak value, but without wingers for Connor and Drai established it’s a potentially very damaging move to get rid of the 2C. We aren’t sure Drai will even be an NHL centre yet.

    Another long shot season is residue from the past. Maybe getting these different types of players than what they would have gone for and a stable org will be enough for playoffs which is enough to keep everyone on the team happy for now.

  42. Ben says:

    Reja: Bandwagon fair weather fans or a dime a dozen go cheer for Cowshit town bunch of entitled whiners. Why do l feel better all of a sudden that’s right I’m not from that Politically Correct world.Go Oilers Go

    Hey man, check out this Oilers forum, it’s really awesome!

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/forums/edmonton-oilers.38/

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Bandwagon fair weather fans or a dime a dozen go cheer for Cowshit town bunch of entitled whiners. Why do l feel better all of a sudden that’s right I’m not from that Politically Correct world.Go Oilers Go

    Haha I post after listening to the little angel on my shoulder then wait for you to post what the little devil on my other shoulder was whispering to me.

    But seriously, I dont think Ladieslovesmid is bandwagon fan. He’s a pretty hard core Oilers fan.

    We welcome diversity of opinion and……ah shit….that little angel just wont shut the f#ck up!

  44. Andy Dufresne says:

    Alpine:
    If Holland is punting this year, which it sounds like he is, he should be trading Nuge while his value is at its highest. What’s the point of having him on a relative bargain for 6 mil if you’re not gonna take advantage of that? Get a young top 6 winger and some assets.

    It seems counterintuitive but Nuge will be only be a one year rental after this season and then who knows what he gets in FA.

    I dont think he’s punting this year, but I get your point.

    Here’s a counterpoint. I think that Dave Tippett is going to LOVE Ryan Nugent Hopkins. I think RNH may the one player who benefits most from Tippetts system play. RNH already plays the system to a T. Relative to his teamates, RNH might flourish while others are coerced into playing the right way.

    RNH is going to be Tippetts new Shane Doan.

  45. jtblack says:

    Oilers finished 3rd last in the WC.

    Problem is AZ DAL VAN COL CHI have all Improved …

    Tough sledding for Edm to be a Top 8 team in the conference.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex: It is.

    Question. If they match and trade him immediately after, who pays the 11.3M signing bonus this season? Canes?

    I’m sure this has been answered but I’m just catching up on the last few hours – if they match, they can’t trade him for a year.

  47. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Leafs love Oilers castoffs.

    First Marincin and now Gravel.

    Smith, Granlund, Chaisson
    Oilers all over Flames castoffs today

  48. Caller Zen says:

    Reja: Bandwagon fair weather fans or a dime a dozen go cheer for Cowshit town bunch of entitled whiners. Why do l feel better all of a sudden that’s right I’m not from that Politically Correct world.Go Oilers Go

    Riiiiiight ….and it’s called a comma – try using it sometimes.

  49. Reja says:

    CalVag: Are you educated?

    I’m from the School. Day One Fan yourself?

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Leafs love Oilers castoffs.

    First Marincin and now Gravel.

    One was rightly shipped out (despite math) but the other wrongly non-played.

  51. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ben:
    Excited to hear Stan Bowman describe Corey Crawford’s sudden onset leprosy related retirement.

    Get Woke. Sudden Onset Leprosy is no joking matter.
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    🙂

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Is Granlund better than Rieder? Is Smith better than Talbot?

    Let’s say for argument’s sake that they’re even.

    Same team minus Sekera?

    Do I bother tuning in to 1 game? Same summer 3 times in a row, team gets shittier every year. I’ll say 26th place finish.

    Every year, shit every game, is worth watching.

    A bit of a safer off-season was simply required in order to build around the edges, get some cover for prospect development (and competition for roster spots) and set the team of for more cap space and more material upgrades next off-season and things should start to take off.

    That’s the position that Holland was put in by previous management.

    I 100% will not give up on next season – no way.

    It will all come down to goaltending, which we knew going in to today anyways. I’m not enthused by the due at all, obviously. I’ve been vocal on Mikko and Smith was near the bottom of my list. With that said, both have shown they can get hot for periods of time and backstop weeks at the NHL level – here is hoping we can ride one or the other for most periods of the year. If not, we’re effed.

    Also, they have room and there are teams that need help on the backend (Jets and Russell) and teams that need to shed cap (Vegas) so there are chances for some help but probably can’t expect an Ehlers – an Eakin seems reasonable and he will help.

  53. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador: Smith, Granlund, Chaisson
    Oilers all over Flames castoffs today

    Offer Sheet Tkachuk ??

  54. Reja says:

    Caller Zen: Riiiiiight ….and it’s called a comma – try using it sometimes.

    Thanks, Do you like the Edmonton Oilers I do, they are my team so I cheer for them.

  55. Genjutsu says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Why not?

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    YKOil: For trades, I may look at Florida.Hard to say re: Sekera space, $3m is just enough to actually ‘do something’ BUT we also need space for Nurse next year so Holland could hold it all year, have nothing cross his desk that is ‘doable’ and enter next year with the $3m from this year and whatever Cap hike there is and use most of that total on Nurse (I expect $6.5 so $3.2m from his existing salary plus this years $3m plus some crumbs).

    Lucic/Russell HAVE to go.The Russell/Lucic contracts could lose us McDavid to be honest. Just too many years lost in the desert to tie him to the team long-term.

    The difference between the Rangers and us making over the roster to effect?The Rangers had the guys they wanted to lose have good years, more often than not, the year they traded them.We haven’t had that.One ‘down’ asset after another.Hard to win trades that way; throw in the Chia effect and it gets downright brutal.

    That said, I am optimistic we could, injury luck notwithstanding, make the play-offs this year and even if we don’t maybe one or more of Granlund, Russell, Gagner, Kassian, Brodziak, Lucic (yes, even Lucic) et al breaks out and we can trade them for more than peanuts at the deadline.

    What a team!

    Holland in two seperate statements in his presser said

    ” Sekera a great guy, but he’s only played 60 gms in the last two years, and we needed the cap space to get some things done”

    AND later

    “We are not done yet”

  57. Genjutsu says:

    Caller Zen: Riiiiiight ….and it’s called a comma – try using it sometimes.

    You understand what irony is, right?

  58. Todd Macallan says:

    Pescador: Smith, Granlund, Chaisson
    Oilers all over Flames castoffs today

    I hope they’re looking hard at Ferland on day 2.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    YKOil: The difference between the Rangers and us making over the roster to effect? The Rangers had the guys they wanted to lose have good years, more often than not, the year they traded them. We haven’t had that. One ‘down’ asset after another. Hard to win trades that way; throw in the Chia effect and it gets downright brutal.

    The Rangers had the courage to deal from a position of strength. The Oilers rarely have.

  60. Chris says:

    Honestly anyone suggesting we should trade Nuge is borderline insane. What exactly are we going to replace him with? We dumped Eberle and Hall and it’s been a wasteland on the wings ever since so why don’t we repeat the same mistake? Any sane general manager will seek to extend Nuge not move him. Lowetide keeps saying having a winning team is simple insofar as you get good players and keep good players. Only a blind man wouldn’t notice the Oilers have been buggering up the second part of that aphorism of late and continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.

  61. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Offer Sheet Tkachuk ??

    He will make the Flames sweat it’s in his genes I say 7×8 that’s probably to low. Man I wish we would have drafted him he’s such a entertaining prick.

  62. Jethro Tull says:

    Andy Dufresne: Get Woke. Sudden Onset Leprosy is no joking matter.
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    Spare a sheckle for an ex-leper?

  63. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: It will all come down to goaltending, which we knew going in to today anyways. I’m not enthused by the due at all, obviously. I’ve been vocal on Mikko and Smith was near the bottom of my list. With that said, both have shown they can get hot for periods of time and backstop weeks at the NHL level – here is hoping we can ride one or the other for most periods of the year. If not, we’re effed.

    ~St Louis was in last place in the NHL on Jan 3rd. Then Binnington went on a heater~

    Did I do it right OP? 🙂

  64. Jethro Tull says:

    Genjutsu: You understand what irony is, right?

    It’s like coppery and bronzey?

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bob making a point of saying that the signing bonuses don’t get paid on July 1, “but within the next few weeks.”

    Interesting.

    That may be true but it doesn’t change anything, they are payable by the team holding his rights on July 1 – if we trade Lucic tomorrow, he may not have received his 2019 signing bonus yet but the Oilers would still have to pay it.

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    Jethro Tull: Spare a sheckle for an ex-leper?

    Half a schekle. And thats my last offer!

  67. Reja says:

    Chris:
    Honestly anyone suggesting we should trade Nuge is borderline insane. What exactly are we going to replace him with? We dumped Eberle and Hall and it’s been a wasteland on the wings ever since so why don’t we repeat the same mistake? Any sane general manager will seek to extend Nuge not move him. Lowetide keeps saying having a winning team is simple insofar as you get good players and keep good players. Only a blind man wouldn’t notice the Oilers have been buggering up the second part of that aphorism of late and continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.

    He’s Dave Keon’s reincarnation quietly does his job.Plus he loves the ponies.

  68. silasbengtsson says:

    Chris:
    Honestly anyone suggesting we should trade Nuge is borderline insane. What exactly are we going to replace him with? We dumped Eberle and Hall and it’s been a wasteland on the wings ever since so why don’t we repeat the same mistake? Any sane general manager will seek to extend Nuge not move him. Lowetide keeps saying having a winning team is simple insofar as you get good players and keep good players. Only a blind man wouldn’t notice the Oilers have been buggering up the second part of that aphorism of late and continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.

    When in doubt, go balls deep!

    Nuge and Russell for Savard and Jenner outta Columbus and then send a Dman to Toronto for Kadri. Then toss a 1st and Puljujarvi to Minny for Zucker

    Draisaitl- McDavid- Kassian
    Jenner- Kadri- Zucker

    Nurse- Savard
    Klefbom- Benning

    Shallow D corps, but at least we’d be fun to watch again!

  69. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: ~St Louis was in last place in the NHL on Jan 3rd. Then Binnington went on a heater~

    Did I do it right OP?

    The league is so competitive pretty much any team can make the playoffs and go on a run.

  70. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: He will make the Flames sweat it’s in his genes I say 7×8 that’s probably to low. Man I wish wewould have drafted him he’s such a entertaining prick.

    Can you beleive the canyon that exists between where JP is today and where Tkachuk is at? Incredible.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    blainer: Holland did say the plan is to make the playoff’s this year so after this past week I would say that both are less than impressed.

    There is still a lot of off season to go so let’s hope he can get something done.

    At this rate the goaltenders will have to have career years to give us a chance.

    I’m happy we never did anything stupid but disappointed we never managed to get that trade that gets us someone for the top six.

    We wait..

    Won’t be tough for Koskinen to have a career year…………

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Was wondering if that would ever materialize. Waiting on some possible (NHL) UFAs maybe? Hopefully he can be an improvement on Brodziak/Cave at least.

    Had to wait until today for his prior contract to expire.

  73. Genjutsu says:

    Jethro Tull: It’s like coppery and bronzey?

    only a little harder and more fun with magnets.

  74. Pescador says:

    Todd Macallan: I hope they’re looking hard at Ferland on day 2.

    Sure me too, as long as “looking hard” equates to low cap hit & minimal term. $3.125 x 2
    What do we have left to spend?

  75. Surly says:

    we just doubled our games against Kadri

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maple Leafs trade Kadri, Rosen to Avalanche for Barrie, Kerfoot

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    Chris:
    Honestly anyone suggesting we should trade Nuge is borderline insane. What exactly are we going to replace him with? We dumped Eberle and Hall and it’s been a wasteland on the wings ever since so why don’t we repeat the same mistake? Any sane general manager will seek to extend Nuge not move him. Lowetide keeps saying having a winning team is simple insofar as you get good players and keep good players. Only a blind man wouldn’t notice the Oilers have been buggering up the second part of that aphorism of late and continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is insanity.

    You’re missing the point. RNH is all but gone if the team doesn’t get better. No player on the team has put up with more crap, playing with a revolving door of fourth liners. I don’t want to trade RNH and there’s plenty of time yet to make improvements, but if we start the season and his linemates are fourth liners, he should be traded. Unless there’s material improvement to the team, there’s about a zero percent chance he signs an early extension next July.

  78. RonnieB says:

    Just musing…

    I wonder how close we were on Connolly. A lot of us thought the Oilers could go as high as $3.5 AAV; he signed with Florida for $3.25 x 4 (originally reported as $3.5, since changed to $3.25). Was it the 4th year that scared us away ?

    Also Mrazek…TSN panel reported that he wanted 3 x $3 which doesn’t seem unreasonable. He signed for 1 x $3 plus 1 x $3.25. Were the Oilers ever involved or were they settled on Smith from the beginning ?

  79. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Can you beleive the canyon that exists between where JP is today and where Tkachuk is at? Incredible.

    Yea Calgary sure knows how to develop ready to go wingers.

  80. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maple Leafs trade Kadri, Rosen to Avalanche for Barrie, Kerfoot

    Avs can move Barrie cause Makar is ready.

    Love what the Avs are doing .wow

  81. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maple Leafs trade Kadri, Rosen to Avalanche for Barrie, Kerfoot

    Holy smokes Avs are loaded for years to come.

  82. McSorley33 says:

    Big trade…leafs

  83. leadfarmer says:

    That’s a steep price for one year of Barrie.

  84. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maple Leafs trade Kadri, Rosen to Avalanche for Barrie, Kerfoot

    Great deal for both teams. Joe Sakic is the GM of the year IMO. Not good for us.

    And, If Dubas gets Marner signed, then he’s done an amazing job as well.

    With Marner signed, that forward group looks scary good.

  85. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bob making a point of saying that the signing bonuses don’t get paid on July 1, “but within the next few weeks.”

    Interesting.

    That may be true but it doesn’t change anything, they are payable by the team holding his rights on July 1 – if we trade Lucic tomorrow, he may not have received his 2019 signing bonus yet but the Oilers would still have to pay it.

    Just to clarify…Bob was referring to the Aho offer sheet which is not yet a contract; he said that the 2019 bonus will be payable within 5 days of the contract being registered with the NHL. His point was that, with the 2020 bonus due next July 1st, Carolina’s owner would have to shell out over $21 million within a 12 month period if he matches the Montreal offer sheet. An interesting additional point was made; apparently that number is approximately the same as Carolina’s total annual gate receipts.

  86. McNuge93 says:

    Pescador: Smith, Granlund, Chaisson
    Oilers all over Flames castoffs today

    And vice versa – Talbot, Davidson

  87. Pescador says:

    Surly:
    we just doubled our games against Kadri

    I’m not concerned we have a nuclear deterrent on our roster
    4 more years at a paltry $6 mil

  88. Alpine says:

    leadfarmer:
    That’s a steep price for one year of Barrie.

    They got Kerfoot too. Gonna be tight to fit in him, Marner and Ceci though.

  89. Rube Foster says:

    I do recognize that we’re at Day 1 of a summer long exercise in building the roster.

    With that said, how many of our forwards outside of Connor, Leon & Nuge would be top six forwards on a mediocre NHL roster?

    By my count the roster is shy of three top six NHL forwards. If we’re depending on prospects, castoffs and $2M journeymen to fill these roles, how is that any different than the Chia era?

    Our bottom six looks more competive today, that is a plus arrow! But our defense is virtually identical to Chia’s defense, less Sekera (say what you want about Reg’s injuries and cap hit, but it is an indisputable fact that our defense was better with him than without).

    The majority of folks on this site have recognized that the Oilers have been shy a scoring winger and a Dman to replace Sekera for the last two seasons. How do these holes get filled in the ensuing months?

    There’s not a lot left from the UFA pile to fill these holes? And, I don’t see a lot of assets we can trade that don’t create more and perhaps deeper holes in the roster.

    Gord Speed Jools Holland, I want to believe, I do.

  90. RonnieB says:

    Colorado retaining 50% of Barrie’s Cap hit.

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wow! Cap Friednly showing Barrie cap hit for 2019-20 at $2.75m

    Colorado must have retained salary.

    This is what creative GMing looks like.

  92. texmex says:

    Draisaitl Mcdavid Kassian
    Lucic RNH chaisson
    Nygard haas Gagner
    Kharia cave granlund

    Lafreniere gonna look good in oilers silks!!!

    I’m only 10% joking

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Only had a chance to listen to the first half (15 min) of Holland’s presser and my thoughts/summary:

    – theme 1 – its about cap space. We’ve got some but not that much so could only do so much at this time. In the future we will have lots and things will get done

    – theme 2 – goal this year is to make the playoffs the but the ULTIMATE goal remains to build a champion

    – not done. Still need a 3C. Granlund, Khaira, Gagner can play center but need a real 3C

    – want speed, pace and skill in the bottom six. That and a goalie were primary.

    – need more 12 goal scorers for the bottom six this year.

    – Kosk and Smith are both very competitive and work their asses off. They will push each other and make each other better

    – asked about if looking for a top 6 forward “always looking” – when pressed he said he’d love to add a 20 goal scorer and they’ll try

    – asked about Nyquist and said “$5.5M is a big number”.

  94. Andy Dufresne says:

    texmex:
    Draisaitl Mcdavid Kassian
    Lucic RNH chaisson
    Nygard haas Gagner
    Kharia cave granlund

    Lafreniere gonna look good in oilers silks!!!

    I’m only 10% joking

    Tippett will polish this Turd!

    You’ve heard of Piss Cutters?…..we’ll one up you with a Turd Polisher!

  95. YKOil says:

    Andy Dufresne: Holland in two seperate statements in his presser said

    ” Sekera a great guy, but he’s only played 60 gms in the last two years, and we needed the cap space to get some things done”

    AND later

    “We are not done yet”

    Cool, cool. Here’s the thing, new space next year should be ~ $2.50m given they are saying it will be another little-to-no inflation year (for the Cap anyways).

    Broadstrokes:

    Manning + $2.25m, Gryba + $0.30m, Brodziak + $0.08 AND given none of them really need replacing, for Cap purposes, that frees up $2.63m.

    Gagner + $3.15m AND lets say this is the one salary we keep all of for Cap purposes – no replacement player needed; so $3.15m freed up.

    Kassian, Benning, Granlund, Smith, Persson, et al, cannot all net to zero once we figure out replacement players and another Smith/Granlund type signing or two so lets say we sign reasonable facsimile’s of each and it costs us an extra $2.0m all played out.

    So with this year’s $3.00m that yields play space of $9.28m or so.

    Lop off $3.30m in new monies to pay Nurse and, to make it easy, we have $6.00m with which to get ANY impact level player for the forward group.

    Meaning of course, no monies left over to work trades and any bonus $ for Bouchard (for example) have to be bumped to the next, next off-season.

    By default, barring a dump of Lucic or Russell, our reset happens in 2021-2022. Exactly when RNH and Larsson are UFA’s and the Seattle draft is happening.

    2021-2022: Russell + $4.00m, Pouliot + $1.33m, Sekera + $1.00m, Chaisson + $2.15m = $8.15m
    —— consider adding ~ 1.92m if buying out Lucic so = $10.07m

    If two of those players (Lucic, Russell, Chaisson) are replaced by $1.50m players that yields ~ $7m for an impact player.

    ——-

    I gotta stop. Bad way to spend a Canada day.

  96. texmex says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I just looked at that lineup after typing…..

    WOW!!!! 🤮🤮🤮

  97. rickithebear says:

    Holland signed 2 ufa with #1 winger evg seasons in their career.
    Chaisson 2@ 2.15M
    Granlund 1@ 1.3M
    Signed
    2 FA wingers with #2 winger ev/sh gpg rates.
    Khaira RFA 2@ 1.2M
    Jurco UFA 1@ .750M

    Of the 30 in range evg production forwards. I looked @
    Granlund – Holland surprised me getting at 1/2 of EW projected price
    Chaisson – came in 1M less than EW projection.
    Khaira – signed for 2 yrs @ 3 evg #45 PK forward rate. Rather than 8 ev/shpg rste 1.8-2.0M

    Did not look @
    Jurco – lost in org change to Chi.

    Like to see Granlund, Chaisson, Kassian, Jurco get Drai – Mcd even minutes.
    Nygard will be an interesting camp read as well. Is he a 8 evg fwd.

    Plus Tippett has been one of the most 3-2-1 off/def sentric coaches in the game.
    Expect Larsson, Russell, Benning, & Nurse to be superior goal dif dmen under Tippett s guidance.
    Lagesson numbers & video suggest he is ready to try his first run of NHL games.

    Bouchard has been beaten repeatedly defensively in last years junior season.
    Holland, Tippett, Playfair are looking for for high baseline 3-2-1 Def play.

    Do Khaira & Brodziak get 3rd line C minutes.

    Other 7-9 evg pk fwds from the 30 I looked at.
    Archibald 68gm 9 evg, #12 PK fwd 4.76 pkga/60 EW projection 1.597M
    Nosek 67gm 7evg, #17 pk fwd 4.92 pkga/60 EW projection 1.818M
    Paajarvi 80 gm 8 evg, #60 pk fwd 6.23 pkga/60 EW projection 1.916M
    Sheahan 78 gm 8 evg, #80 pk fwd 6.53 pkga/60 EW projection 1.299M
    Paajarvi

    Paajarvi & lindberg have 7-9 evg winger production with top 90 PK fwd performance.

    Wrote this @ 1:30 pm.

    Apparently I fell asleep.

    Have to see if any have signed!

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Only had a chance to listen to the first half (15 min) of Holland’s presser and my thoughts/summary:

    – theme 1 – its about cap space.We’ve got some but not that much so could only do so much at this time.In the future we will have lots and things will get done

    – theme 2 – goal this year is to make the playoffs the but the ULTIMATE goal remains to build a champion

    – not done.Still need a 3C.Granlund, Khaira, Gagner can play center but need a real 3C

    – want speed, pace and skill in the bottom six.That and a goalie were primary.

    – need more 12 goal scorers for the bottom six this year.

    – Kosk and Smith are both very competitive and work their asses off.They will push each other and make each other better

    – asked about if looking for a top 6 forward “always looking” – when pressed he said he’d love to add a 20 goal scorer and they’ll try

    – asked about Nyquist and said “$5.5M is a big number”.

    Two I forgot:

    – Sekera buyout was about cap space and also about creating a real chance for one of the kids to earn the team – compete for the spot. Real tough decision

    – seemed pretty clear it was Persson and the Bakersfield kids to compete for the NHL job and Bouch to head to the AHL

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    YKOil: Cool, cool.Here’s the thing, new space next year should be ~ $2.50m given they are saying it will be another little-to-no inflation year (for the Cap anyways).

    Broadstrokes:

    Manning + $2.25m, Gryba + $0.30m, Brodziak + $0.08 AND given none of them really need replacing, for Cap purposes, that frees up $2.63m.

    Gagner + $3.15m AND lets say this is the one salary we keep all of for Cap purposes – no replacement player needed; so $3.15m freed up.

    Kassian, Benning, Granlund, Smith, Persson, et al, cannot all net to zero once we figure out replacement players and another Smith/Granlund type signing or two so lets say we sign reasonable facsimile’s of each and it costs us an extra $2.0m all played out.

    So with this year’s $3.00m that yields play space of $9.28m or so.

    Lop off $3.30m in new monies to pay Nurse and, to make it easy, we have $6.00m with which to get ANY impact level player for the forward group.

    Meaning of course, no monies left over to work trades and any bonus $ for Bouchard (for example) have to be bumped to the next, next off-season.

    By default, barring a dump of Lucic or Russell, our reset happens in 2021-2022.Exactly when RNH and Larsson are UFA’s and the Seattle draft is happening.

    2021-2022: Russell + $4.00m, Pouliot + $1.33m, Sekera + $1.00m, Chaisson + $2.15m = $8.15m
    —— consider adding ~ 1.92m if buying out Lucic so = $10.07m

    If two of those players (Lucic, Russell, Chaisson) are replaced by $1.50m players that yields ~ $7m for an impact player.

    ——-

    I gotta stop.Bad way to spend a Canada day.

    Sometimes there are no “good” answers. This org has made so many mistakes / miscalculations that we will be behind the 8 ball for some time to come. All these mistakes exact a price. ALL OF THEM!

    The bad news. We gotta get lucky. (Bouchard, Benson, Samorukov, Broberg, Lavoie, These guys all have to hit and hit big!)

    Otherwise the Colorados and the Maple Leafs of this league are going to eat out lunch for the next dacade.

    Your right gotta stop. Its Canada Day!

    The good news. Connor McDavid.

  100. RonnieB says:

    Alpine: They got Kerfoot too. Gonna be tight to fit in him, Marner and Ceci though.

    Toronto has just a smidgen above $11 million for those 3. Maybe they can go to arbitration with Ceci, walk away from the arbitrator’s decision, and sign Marner to a bridge deal ?

  101. The Trade Guy says:

    The Oilers suck, but there probably wasn’t much Ken could do to change that today.

  102. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Two I forgot:

    – Sekera buyout was about cap space and also about creating a real chance for one of the kids to earn the team – compete for the spot.Real tough decision

    – seemed pretty clear it was Persson and the Bakersfield kids to compete for the NHL job and Bouch to head to the AHL

    He specifically named Lagesson, Persson, Jones and Bear.

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    RonnieB: Toronto has just a smidgen above $11 million for those 3. Maybe they can go to arbitration with Ceci, walk away from the arbitrator’s decision,and sign Marner to a bridge deal ?

    Or, if push comes to shove, they trade Nylander to make room for Marner.

    Nylander for Samorukov and a pick?

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Was that Terry Jones asking that question about the fishbowl?

    Whoever it was… retire them.

    Sure was.

  105. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: I’m not concerned we have a nuclear deterrent on our roster
    4 more years at a paltry $6 mil

    If we sign Maroon then I would want to see that matchup.

  106. godot10 says:

    Toronto has lots of cap space once they put Horton on LTIR.

  107. Rube Foster says:

    texmex:
    Draisaitl Mcdavid Kassian
    Lucic RNH chaisson
    Nygard haas Gagner
    Kharia cave granlund

    Lafreniere gonna look good in oilers silks!!!

    I’m only 10% joking

    Despite Nuge being one of the best 2nd line centres in the NHL, a second line of Lucic, Nuge, Chiasson would be one of the worst 2nd lines in the NHL.

    Your 2nd line needs to a threat to score at 5v5. Lucic kills any hope of 5v5 offense on everyline he plays on.

    For that reason alone I’m still hoping for Lucic for Eriksson trade, straight up, split the cap hit.
    Fresh start for all parties and Eriksson gives us more versatility in roster options and is a pk stud.

  108. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10:
    Toronto has lots of cap space once they put Horton on LTIR.

    True. But If they sign Marner to 5 x $11m or whatever, how do they get Cap compliant for the first day of the season?

  109. RonnieB says:

    Andy Dufresne: Or, if push comes to shove, they trade Nylander to make room for Marner.

    For what it’s worth…
    Nylander was quoted in an interview after his signing that he had a handshake promise from Dubas that he would not be traded while he was GM. That was very important to Nylander before he put pen to paper.

  110. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rube Foster: Despite Nuge being one of the best 2nd line centres in the NHL, a second line of Lucic, Nuge, Chiasson would be one of the worst 2nd lines in the NHL.

    Your 2nd line needs to a threat to score at 5v5.Lucic kills any hope of 5v5 offense on everyline he plays on.

    For that reason alone I’m still hoping for Lucic for Eriksson trade, straight up, split the cap hit.
    Fresh start for all parties and Eriksson gives us more versatility in roster options and is a pk stud.

    Cant wait to see LT’s roster depth chart with all the new adds.

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    RonnieB: For what it’s worth…
    Nylander was quoted in an interview after his signing that he had a handshake promise from Dubas that he would not be traded while he was GM. That was very important to Nylander before he put pen to paper.

    Fascinating. I had not heard that. Thanks.

  112. Andy Dufresne says:

    rickithebear:
    Holland signed 2 ufa with #1 winger evg seasons in their career.
    Chaisson 2@ 2.15M
    Granlund 1@ 1.3M
    Signed
    2 FA wingers with #2 winger ev/sh gpg rates.
    Khaira RFA 2@ 1.2M
    Jurco UFA 1@ .750M

    Of the 30 in range evg production forwards. I looked @
    Granlund – Holland surprised me getting at 1/2 of EW projected price
    Chaisson – came in 1M less than EW projection.
    Khaira – signed for 2 yrs @ 3 evg #45 PK forward rate. Rather than 8 ev/shpg rste 1.8-2.0M

    Did not look @
    Jurco – lost in org change to Chi.

    Like to see Granlund, Chaisson, Kassian, Jurco get Drai – Mcd even minutes.
    Nygard will be an interesting camp read as well. Is he a 8 evg fwd.

    Plus Tippett has been one of the most 3-2-1 off/def sentric coaches in the game.
    Expect Larsson, Russell, Benning, & Nurse to be superior goal dif dmen under Tippett s guidance.
    Lagessonnumbers & video suggest he is ready to try his first run of NHL games.

    Bouchard has been beaten repeatedly defensively in last years junior season.
    Holland, Tippett, Playfair are looking for for high baseline 3-2-1 Def play.

    Do Khaira & Brodziak get 3rd line C minutes.

    Other 7-9 evg pk fwds from the 30 I looked at.
    Archibald 68gm 9 evg, #12 PK fwd 4.76 pkga/60 EW projection 1.597M
    Nosek 67gm 7evg, #17 pk fwd 4.92 pkga/60 EW projection 1.818M
    Paajarvi 80 gm 8 evg, #60 pk fwd 6.23 pkga/60 EW projection 1.916M
    Sheahan 78 gm 8 evg, #80 pk fwd 6.53 pkga/60 EW projection 1.299M
    Paajarvi

    Paajarvi & lindberg have 7-9 evgwinger production with top 90 PK fwd performance.

    Wrote this @ 1:30 pm.

    Apparently I fell asleep.

    Have to see if any have signed!

    Nosek signed at $1m x 1yr

  113. rickithebear says:

    texmex:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I just looked at that lineup after typing…..

    WOW!!!!

    Your TSN & Sportsnet trained brain needs a fact based intervention.

    Tippett likes to run a 3-2-1 based off/def system.

    8 evg is a top 6 ev/sh scoring winger.
    We signed 4 likely top 6 free agent wingers.
    Granlund ufa
    Chiasson ufa
    Khaira RFA
    Jurco ufa
    We will see how nygard ( ufa ) performs in camp

    Smith is a repetative top 3 open shot save % goalie

    Lucic is a 23g 61P winger in a 3-2-1 sentric system. Not very good the 2 yrs in 3-1-1-1 system in Edmonton.

    Tippett likes to run off/def. 3-2-1 system
    Larsson
    Benning
    Non rover Nurse
    Russell
    Lagesson
    These players are nice fits for that.

    Drai – Mcdavid – insert 4 different top 6 wings for 25% of EVTOI
    Chaisson – RNH – Granlund (25%)
    Lucic – Khaira (25%) – Gagner
    Jurco (25%) – Brodziak – Kassian (25%)

    Nurse – Larsson
    XXX – Russel
    Laggesson – Benning

    Klefbom
    Persson

    Koskinen
    Smith

    This is the kind of structure we saw in 16-17 playoffs from our oilers.

  114. FrankenOil says:

    RonnieB,

    Could they take kerfoot to arbitration, thus opening the second buyout window and then buyout the newly-signed Ceci?

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    Mrazek 2 x 3.25 mil
    Lehner 1 x 5 mil

    But yeah, other teams were circling and we had to pay up for Koskinen.

    The narrative the Koskinen needed to be signed to an overpay in the dead of winter because of the coming goalie market never rang true to me.

    I’m very confident that Holland would have signed Mrazek to that deal so my guess is he simply didn’t want to come to Edmonton.

  116. texmex says:

    rickithebear: Your TSN & Sportsnet trained brain needs a fact based intervention.

    Tippett likes to run a 3-2-1 based off/def system.

    8 evgis a top 6 ev/sh scoring winger.
    We signed 4 likely top 6 free agent wingers.
    Granlund ufa
    Chiasson ufa
    Khaira RFA
    Jurco ufa
    We will see how nygard ( ufa ) performs in camp

    Smith is a repetative top 3 open shot save % goalie

    Lucic is a 23g 61P winger in a 3-2-1 sentric system. Not very good the 2 yrs in 3-1-1-1 system in Edmonton.

    Tippett likes to run off/def. 3-2-1 system
    Larsson
    Benning
    Non rover Nurse
    Russell
    Lagesson
    These players are nice fits for that.

    Drai – Mcdavid – insert 4 different top 6 wings for 25% of EVTOI
    Chaisson – RNH – Granlund (25%)
    Lucic – Khaira (25%) – Gagner
    Jurco (25%) – Brodziak – Kassian (25%)

    Nurse – Larsson
    XXX – Russel
    Laggesson – Benning

    Klefbom
    Persson

    Koskinen
    Smith

    This is the kind of structure we saw in 16-17 playoffs from our oilers.

    Still a horrible lineup no matter how you spin it!!!!

  117. leadfarmer says:

    Today is what we call rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
    This team will need multiple heroic measures to sniff the playoffs

  118. RonnieB says:

    FrankenOil:
    RonnieB,

    Could they take kerfoot to arbitration, thus opening the second buyout window and then buyout the newly-signed Ceci?

    I don’t know the exact number (it’s well in excess of $4.0 million ) but the award has to be above that limit before a club is permitted to walk away. Also, i think there are different deadlines by which either the club or the player can file for arbitration; again, i don’t know that precise info.

  119. BONE207 says:

    That said, I am optimistic we could, injury luck notwithstanding, make the play-offs this year and even if we don’t maybe one or more of Granlund, Russell, Gagner, Kassian, Brodziak, Lucic (yes, even Lucic) et al breaks out and we can trade them for more than peanuts at the deadline.

    Ahem…optimistic? No…
    If the goalie stops everything, we have a chance. More than peanuts may mean walnuts & if GMs are blind squirrels then perhaps they may stumble on them. They may carry them away but that would be unrealistically benevolent. Sekera sailed away. If Halloween turns an out of playoffs gift, it’ll be sail on CONNOR. Colorado looks like a fun team to follow…

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: Holland in two seperate statements in his presser said

    ” Sekera a great guy, but he’s only played 60 gms in the last two years, and we needed the cap space to get some things done”

    AND later

    “We are not done yet”

    He was also very dismissive of the suggestions and pressing question on a top 6 winger but was clear he still needed a 3C.

    Cody Eakin or Oscar Lindberg for me.

  121. Reja says:

    YKOil: Cool, cool.Here’s the thing, new space next year should be ~ $2.50m given they are saying it will be another little-to-no inflation year (for the Cap anyways).

    Broadstrokes:

    Manning + $2.25m, Gryba + $0.30m, Brodziak + $0.08 AND given none of them really need replacing, for Cap purposes, that frees up $2.63m.

    Gagner + $3.15m AND lets say this is the one salary we keep all of for Cap purposes – no replacement player needed; so $3.15m freed up.

    Kassian, Benning, Granlund, Smith, Persson, et al, cannot all net to zero once we figure out replacement players and another Smith/Granlund type signing or two so lets say we sign reasonable facsimile’s of each and it costs us an extra $2.0m all played out.

    So with this year’s $3.00m that yields play space of $9.28m or so.

    Lop off $3.30m in new monies to pay Nurse and, to make it easy, we have $6.00m with which to get ANY impact level player for the forward group.

    Meaning of course, no monies left over to work trades and any bonus $ for Bouchard (for example) have to be bumped to the next, next off-season.

    By default, barring a dump of Lucic or Russell, our reset happens in 2021-2022.Exactly when RNH and Larsson are UFA’s and the Seattle draft is happening.

    2021-2022: Russell + $4.00m, Pouliot + $1.33m, Sekera + $1.00m, Chaisson + $2.15m = $8.15m
    —— consider adding ~ 1.92m if buying out Lucic so = $10.07m

    If two of those players (Lucic, Russell, Chaisson) are replaced by $1.50m players that yields ~ $7m for an impact player.

    ——-

    I gotta stop.Bad way to spend a Canada day.

    It takes courage to be a Oiler fan but there is no doubt in my mind that the posse will bring home the cup to the city of champions within 5 years.

  122. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maple Leafs trade Kadri, Rosen to Avalanche for Barrie, Kerfoot

    Wow. That seems like a really good deal for Toronto. Kerfoot is a pretty solid replacement for Kadri.

  123. leadfarmer says:

    McKenzie reporting Brodie for Kadri almost happened but Kadri wouldn’t wave.
    How often does a NMC save the team trading the player?

  124. Reja says:

    rickithebear: Your TSN & Sportsnet trained brain needs a fact based intervention.

    Tippett likes to run a 3-2-1 based off/def system.

    8 evgis a top 6 ev/sh scoring winger.
    We signed 4 likely top 6 free agent wingers.
    Granlund ufa
    Chiasson ufa
    Khaira RFA
    Jurco ufa
    We will see how nygard ( ufa ) performs in camp

    Smith is a repetative top 3 open shot save % goalie

    Lucic is a 23g 61P winger in a 3-2-1 sentric system. Not very good the 2 yrs in 3-1-1-1 system in Edmonton.

    Tippett likes to run off/def. 3-2-1 system
    Larsson
    Benning
    Non rover Nurse
    Russell
    Lagesson
    These players are nice fits for that.

    Drai – Mcdavid – insert 4 different top 6 wings for 25% of EVTOI
    Chaisson – RNH – Granlund (25%)
    Lucic – Khaira (25%) – Gagner
    Jurco (25%) – Brodziak – Kassian (25%)

    Nurse – Larsson
    XXX – Russel
    Laggesson – Benning

    Klefbom
    Persson

    Koskinen
    Smith

    This is the kind of structure we saw in 16-17 playoffs from our oilers.

    All we need is a top 6 scorer. I Believe Ricki. I Believe

  125. innercitysmytty says:

    godot10,

    They have about $16.3 with Horton on LTIR. With Ceci rumoured at 1x$4.5m that leaves $11.8m to sign Marner and Kerfoot but they could also drop 2-3 league min players to save $2m. If Marner gets $10.5m and Kerfoot $2m they have about $1.3m in LTIR space left. Not terrible but very little flexibility.

    Given the situation he was in Dubas did alright. But I’d say their D is slightly worse than last year and F core a fair bit worse after losing Brown, Kadri, and Marleau.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: ~St Louis was in last place in the NHL on Jan 3rd. Then Binnington went on a heater~

    Did I do it right OP?

    Well done, except a couple weeks vs. 5 months…..

  127. Reja says:

    leadfarmer:
    McKenzie reporting Brodie for Kadri almost happened but Kadri wouldn’t wave.
    How often does a NMC save the team trading the player?

    We dodged a bullet there.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: He specifically namedLagesson, Persson, Jones and Bear.

    Right, as I said Persson and the Bakersfield kids…..

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Toronto has lots of cap space once they put Horton on LTIR.

    So, they won’t sign Marner until after the season starts?

  130. Pescador says:

    Reja: All we need is a top 6 scorer. I Believe Ricki. I Believe

    I believe I believe
    We only have $4.88M in cap space (after Manning is waivered)
    Still need a 3C & a top 6 winger,
    Pick one because we can’t afford both.
    I believe I believe that means
    No playoffs

  131. Profit says:

    I was thinking about the left wing after today.

    Drai – safe
    Nygard – new addition
    Benson – the future
    Lucic – …
    Khaira – just signed
    Gambardella – tweener

    So maybe Holland isn’t convinced Benson is ready but you could also look at that and say maybe there is something to the Lucic deal. And if not I’m not sure I see the strategy.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Polei got his NHL contract. 2-way deal with, IIRC, the Blues.

    Good for him. He wanted an NHL deal.

    He is not going to be an NHL player but the Condors are going to miss him.

  133. leadfarmer says:

    Pescador: I believe I believe
    We only have $4.88M in cap space (after Manning is waivered)
    Still need a 3C & a top 6 winger,
    Pick one because we can’t afford both.
    I believe I believe that means
    No playoffs

    More like 3 top 6 wingers, a 3rd line and puck moving 2 RHD and probably a starting G

  134. jp says:

    rickithebear:

    8 evgis a top 6 ev/sh scoring winger.

    Top 6 as in first two lines? Or top 6 wingers, as in top 3 lines?

    rickithebear:

    Lucic is a 23g 61P winger in a 3-2-1 sentric system. Not very good the 2 yrs in 3-1-1-1 system in Edmonton.

    Are you expecting a (very strong) rebound from Lucic? What about Lucic’s 3rd Oilers year?

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    McKenzie reporting Brodie for Kadri almost happened but Kadri wouldn’t wave.
    How often does a NMC save the team trading the player?

    That would have been a great deal for the flames.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    innercitysmytty:
    godot10,

    They have about $16.3 with Horton on LTIR. With Ceci rumoured at 1x$4.5m that leaves $11.8m to sign Marner and Kerfoot but they could also drop 2-3 league min players to save $2m. If Marner gets $10.5m and Kerfoot $2m they have about $1.3m in LTIR space left. Not terrible but very little flexibility.

    Given the situation he was in Dubas did alright. But I’d say their D is slightly worse than last year and F core a fair bit worse after losing Brown, Kadri, and Marleau.

    That’s no necessarily true.

    For one, the entire amount of Horton’s cap hit doesn’t just become relief – the amount of relief cushion they will get (the amount they can over the cap by will be determined at the time Horton goes on LTIR and the amount under the cap they are at the time). Also, unless they are using the egregious inefficient off-season LTIR, the will want to get cap compliant for day 1 (with Horton) to use the only highly efficient normal LTIR.

  137. ashley says:

    Andy Dufresne: I dont think he’s punting this year, but I get your point.

    Here’s a counterpoint. I think that Dave Tippett is going to LOVE Ryan Nugent Hopkins. I think RNH may the one player who benefits most from Tippetts system play. RNH already plays the system to a T.Relative to his teamates, RNH might flourish while others are coerced into playing the right way.

    RNH is going to be Tippetts new Shane Doan.

    Every coach through here – and there have been a lot of them – has loved the Nuge. For good reason. Coaches love predictability, reliability, and discipline. RNH takes care of his own end before heading up ice for glory. And he’s got the skill to cash on that end too. That’s a coach’s dream.

    Even cranky Dallas Eakins loved Nuge, probably one of the few players he actually liked on the roster. Recall the bauble head quote. RNH was probably the only forward hanging around in the Dzone trying to execute the swarm.

  138. Someone says:

    JimmyV1965: You’re missing the point. RNH is all but gone if the team doesn’t get better. No player on the team has put up with more crap, playing with a revolving door of fourth liners.I don’t want to trade RNH and there’s plenty of time yet to make improvements, but if we start the season and his linemates are fourth liners, he should be traded. Unless there’s material improvement to the team, there’s about a zero percent chance he signs an early extension next July.

    Problem is, there are no realistic replacements and dealing Nuge sets us back even more. The cap space won’t buy us a Nuge level player, our offense takes a step back, our window of contention gets even more distant, and you’re practically guaranteeing we’re having this conversation about Connor or Leon in the not so distant future. If you get a good, young winger signed long term in the trade that might change things, but trading him just out of worry of losing him to free agency keeps the cycle going IMO.

  139. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    RonnieB:
    Just musing…

    I wonder how close we were on Connolly. A lot of us thought the Oilers could go as high as $3.5 AAV; hesigned with Florida for $3.25 x 4 (originally reported as $3.5, since changed to $3.25). Was it the 4th year that scared us away ?

    Also Mrazek…TSN panel reported that he wanted 3 x $3 which doesn’t seem unreasonable. He signed for 1 x $3 plus 1 x $3.25. Were the Oilers ever involved or were they settled on Smith from the beginning ?

    I think many people here wanted them more than the people at OEG

  140. flyfish1168 says:

    leadfarmer:
    McKenzie reporting Brodie for Kadri almost happened but Kadri wouldn’t wave.
    How often does a NMC save the team trading the player?

    phlegms so far have done nothing to improve their team. We at least gave ourselves a chance with our new bottom 6.

  141. texmex says:

    Per Spector:

    Maroon camp shutting it down for the night, will regroup tmw. Oilers among teams still talking. EDM set on more lineup changes. They are well aware of how much improvement they need, primarily among fwds.

    I wonder with the oilers pursuing maroon, could KH have a trade lined up for Lucic once his bonus is paid?

  142. innercitysmytty says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah I get that and I was also making the assumption that at this point they’ll have no choice but to use the off season LTIR. And you’re right that’s a more punitive approach. Now that I look at Kerfoot in comparison to the recently signed Johansson and Kapanen deals, he may come in closer to $3m. The other thing here is even with Horton off after this season, if there’s only a modest cap bump next year, it’s not a given they can fit in both Muzzin and Barrie long term. Like I said Dubas has done alright considering the situation, but the impact of last summers Tavares signing has been the cutting of a lot of their previous F depth and an inability to improve their D (in fact it may be worse).

  143. Hockey Project says:

    “In two years we have our Captain, Girard, Makar and Grubauer that are going to come up. We weren’t going to handcuff ourselves.”

    -Joe Sakic

  144. innercitysmytty says:

    A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.

  145. Reja says:

    Pescador: I believe I believe
    We only have $4.88M in cap space (after Manning is waivered)
    Still need a 3C & a top 6 winger,
    Pick one because we can’t afford both.
    I believe I believe that means
    No playoffs

    Trade for someone on a cost effective contract maybe JP and a D asset. Everyone’s all doom and gloom I thought Holland had quiet effective day. No way Holland is not going to obtain a solid scoring winger everyone needs to take a chill pill. I don’t think the players need to hear they are shit before the season even starts. I really think there’s a section of so called fans that are actually trolls and they love running people out of town before they are given a honest shake.

  146. Gerta Rauss says:

    innercitysmytty:
    A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.

    Something like that, yes

    I think the top 6 winger will come via trade now and JP, a pick, and a young D are the currency in play. Ideally we push out a little salary in the deal

    And that’s assuming Kenny is shopping for a top 6 winger- he added 4 forwards today(including Haas) It sounds like 3C is now the target

  147. dustrock says:

    Can’t wait until Holland has to trade for an NHL capable goalie 25 games into the season

  148. jake70 says:

    Kypreos said earlier today Kadri would not waive for “many” canadian teams….ho hum.

  149. Bondo11 says:

    innercitysmytty:
    A Kreider for JP deal may be something that makes sense for both teams. Balance with draft pick as needed.

    I agree with your thought. Here’s what I posted earlier today –

    After signing Panarin, the #Rangers now have $8,769,391 in projected cap space, with a roster of 19 (11F/6D/2G)
    Notable RFA’s:
    Brendan Lemieux
    Pavel Buchnevich
    Jacob Trouba
    Anthony Deangelo
    Would Holland trade JP, Bear, & a 2020 2nd for Kreider?
    * Kreider has a 11 team no trade list, so the Oilers couldn’t be on it or he would have to waive to come to Edmonton.

  150. innercitysmytty says:

    Bondo11,

    Didn’t see your post but yeah exactly my thinking too. With Kreider UFA next summer and rangers having to dump salary I’m not sure it would even take that much. But if it did I would make that trade and if you can sign him long term great, if not deal him at the deadline if we’re out of it.

  151. leadfarmer says:

    Why would we trade for one year of Kreider

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not even kidding here but what would it take to get Strome out of New York?

    They need to shed material cap and the Oilers need a 3C (as per Holland)?

    Either that or purge Vegas of Eakin or sign Lindberg (or Boyle but he wouldn’t be my top choice).

  153. innercitysmytty says:

    leadfarmer,

    Same reason boy wonder wants one year of Barrie. Ideally you get a long term asset and/or it’s Kreider and he signs. But when your previous GM has gutted your talent, and you’ve got an asset that is devaluing daily and doesn’t want to play here, sometimes that’s the move to improve in the current year. In a vacuum, with no human element, sure you can get equal value for JP. And like I said if he doesn’t have an interest in re-signing, trade him at the deadline. Will the return at that point be materially worse that what you’d be getting for JP right now?

  154. oilersfan says:

    Isn’t Toronto going to be way over the cap when they sign Marner?

    Could Ceci or Kapanen he had for a third?

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nikita Gusev and VEG appear at odds – coming off his ELC like Persson.

    Tore up the KHL last year.

  156. Professor Q says:

    With the Flames signing Davidson, I really think some funky stuff is happening.

  157. Reja says:

    Professor Q:
    With the Flames signing Davidson, I really think some funky stuff is happening.

    Battle of Alberta is back after Gio took out Connor’s knee.

  158. smellyglove says:

    CalVag: Are you educated?

    Nope, Reja is a sheep who takes what the Oilers give him.

  159. Reja says:

    smellyglove: Nope, Reja is a sheep who takes what the Oilers give him.

    Little boy blue – he needed the money.

  160. JimmyV1965 says:

    Someone: Problem is, there are no realistic replacements and dealing Nuge sets us back even more. The cap space won’t buy us a Nuge level player, our offense takes a step back, our window of contention gets even more distant, and you’re practically guaranteeing we’re having this conversation about Connor or Leon in the not so distant future. If you get a good, young winger signed long term in the trade that might change things, but trading him just out of worry of losing him to free agency keeps the cycle going IMO.

    Your assumption here I gather is trading RNH for draft picks. If the team isn’t serious about getting a real winger for RNH, it’s best to trade him at peak value. And you trade him for a very good young player who is signed to term, whose contract doesn’t expire in two years. I don’t want to trade RNH. I would much rather have the team go out and acquire an actual top six winger to play with him. I also know his value in a trade this year will be significantly higher than next year at the same time. And if he doesn’t resign next year at this time, you will virtually be forced to trade him.

  161. Genjutsu says:

    Reja: Little boy blue – he needed the money.

    The dark.nature of capitalism?

  162. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m quite happy with Holland’s performance today. A lot of GMs made awful signings and he wasn’t one of them. I didn’t like the Sekera buyout but Holland was obviously correct. No one wanted him at even 50% retained. The extra cap space gives him room to make an actual hockey trade.

  163. Someone says:

    JimmyV1965: Your assumption here I gather is trading RNH for draft picks. If the team isn’t serious about getting a real winger for RNH, it’s best to trade him at peak value. And you trade him for a very good young player who is signed to term, whose contract doesn’t expire in two years. I don’t want to trade RNH. I would much rather have the team go out and acquire an actual top six winger to play with him. I also know his value in a trade this year will be significantly higher than next year at the same time. And if he doesn’t resign next year at this time, you will virtually be forced to trade him.

    My assumption is that trading a player that the team needs to get the “best value” probably involves picks and prospects yes. I have no issue trading for a young top line winger on a good value long term contract, but…who’s out there?

    I don’t know, Nuge is a good player and valuable asset, I think Hollands time is better spent finding ways to keep him around rather than dealing him for the best package available because his value might be high.

  164. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Why would we trade for one year of Kreider

    His trade value is greatly diminished because he only has one year left on his contract. I would hope, and I may be wrong, that a first round pick is off the table because he’s only got one year left on his deal.

    As an aside, I think this bolsters my argument for trading RNH sooner than later. Of course I would rather acquire a real winger than trade RNH.

  165. rickithebear says:

    Colorado picked up Kadri, Burakovsky, Donskoi, Bellemore.
    1LW Landeskog 75gm 13 evg
    1C mackinnon 78gm 23.5
    1RW Rantanen 12.5
    2LW Jost 68gm 6.5
    2C Kadri 78gm 13.5
    2RW Burakovsky 63gm 9
    3LW Donskoi 73gm 13
    3C Compher 73gm 8
    3RW Wilson 64gm 6
    4LW Calvert 72gm 7
    4C Bellemore 80 gm 5
    4RW Nieto 67gm 6
    82×12 = 984 fwd gm
    869 of 984 gm 123 evg
    115 gm available

    We signed Chaisson, Granlund, Jurco
    1LW Draisaitl 81gm 21evg
    1C Mcdavid 80gm 27 evg
    1RW not available
    2LW chaisson 74gm 10 evg
    2C RNH 77gm 12 evg
    2RW Granlund 66gm 9evg
    3LW jurco 65gm 6 evg
    3C Khaira 70gm 6evg
    3RW Gagner 78gm 8 evg
    4LW Lucic 81gm 7 evg
    4C Brodziak 73gm 7 evg
    4RW Kassian 77gm 9.5 evg
    822 of 984gm 122.5 evg

    162 gm available
    1RW to fill, + 1bott 9 winger to fill.
    Or
    1RW to share with 3-4 bottom 9 wingers + 2 bott 9 winger spots to fill

    I am really comfortable with the evg depth we added today resulting in
    10.02 fwds with 122.5 expected evg.

    Compared to Colorado’s supposed deep off depth adds.
    Resulting in
    10.60 fwds with 123 expected evg.

  166. rickithebear says:

    Sadly when discussing players most fans think all players acquired get at least #2 unit PPTOI.

    Which is bat crazy!

    That is why when acquiring #6 to 14 forwards I do not expect them to get much/ any PPTOI.
    So I only look at those fwds Even/ SH goals for & PKGA/60 rank.

    Would hope Nygard can take a bottom 9 role so Mcdavid 1RW TOI can be shared.
    Or
    sign a guy like Josh archibald. 9evg & #12 PK fwd 4.76 PKGA/. 60

  167. Bondo11 says:

    innercitysmytty:
    leadfarmer,

    Same reason boy wonder wants one year of Barrie. Ideally you get a long term asset and/or it’s Kreider and he signs. But when your previous GM has gutted your talent, and you’ve got an asset that is devaluing daily and doesn’t want to play here, sometimes that’s the move to improve in the current year. In a vacuum, with no human element, sure you can get equal value for JP.And like I said if he doesn’t have an interest in re-signing, trade him at the deadline. Will the return at that point be materially worse that what you’d be getting for JP right now?

    +1
    We need a 2LW to play with Nuge. Kreider would fit perfectly. If we can’t re-sign him prior to the trade deadline, then trade him as a rental and recoup assets.

    If not Kreider, then hopefully Holland can swing a deal for a 2nd line winger from one of the other cap-strapped teams.

  168. JimmyV1965 says:

    Someone: My assumption is that trading a player that the team needs to get the “best value” probably involves picks and prospects yes. I have no issue trading for a young top line winger on a good value long term contract, but…who’s out there?

    I don’t know, Nuge is a good player and valuable asset, I think Hollands time is better spent finding ways to keep him around rather than dealing him for the best package available because his value might be high.

    I agree. I would much rather see Holland trade for a player to help RNH now, even if it’s Kreider for one year, than actually trade RNH.

  169. Rube Foster says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nikita Gusev and VEG appear at odds – coming off his ELC like Persson.

    Tore up the KHL last year.

    Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

    If Gusev is available, he would be a Gord send.

  170. Someone says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree. I would much rather see Holland trade for a player to help RNH now, even if it’s Kreider for one year, than actually trade RNH.

    Well I think we’re mostly in agreement then. If Nuge has told management he’s out once his contract is up, i don’t mind seeing hin dealt. I’m just sick of being a development team for the rest of the league and I don’t think the sucking will stop until we find ways to keep these guys (get good players, keep good players). This is one thing that has me excited about Holland, as he managed to hang onto his star players through their best years.

  171. oilersfan says:

    Would Riley sheahan make sense as a 3c?

    Offense is inconsistent but he is an excellent penalty killer and is good at face offs.

    Would likely sign for close to 1.5. Cheaper than Boyle and a better skater

  172. rickithebear says:

    League median evga/60 was 2.45 this year.
    League median ppga/60 was 6.99 this year.

    Barries 16-17 to 18-19
    220gm 4113:23
    That is 68.556 60 minute segments.

    3.19 evga/60
    2.45 – 3.19 = -.74 goal diff/60 relative to median.

    Barries off influence needs to result in 3.19 evgf/60 to break even.
    2.57 evgf/60
    2.57 – 3.19 = -0.62 evg dif/ 60

    -0.62 x 68.556 = – 42 over 220gm

    Real question is how much does it cost to get 3 fwds that average 3.19 evgf/60 to break even with barries Evga.
    3 x 3.19 = 9.57 evgf/60
    Tavares 11M 3.76
    Nylander 6.96M 3.00
    Kapanen 3.2M 2.87
    21.16M of Tor cap space generates 9.63 evg/60 as a line.
    That is one heck of a line needed to break even.

  173. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Total of 12 million year One

    And nearly $22M by next Canada Day. For a cash-strapped owner, that’s gotta sting.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland has been very true to his word and has done essentially exactly what he said he is going to do (give or take the Sekera buyout which does create the cap penalty in “contending years” but he did need some room to improve this year).

    He was clear yesterday on the 3C being something he wants.

    What’s out there in free agency:

    Lindberg is my #1 choice
    Boyle is there

    I’d prefer Lindberg as a potential guy that could help for a while (of course this contract would only be for a few years to see how it goes).

    As far as trades, we have a bit of room to “take advantage” of teams that need to dispose and two that come to mind are Vegas and NYR – both will need to shed more cap to make room

    Vegas – Cody Eakin – Could he be had for a pick – what about trying to get both Gusev and Eakin – that would require some real acquisition cost though.

    Rangers – Ryan Strome – sigh, but, yes, take away the history and he would/should be a target of a team that needs to shed some cap.

    Does a 2nd rounder in 2020 get Strome or Eakin – not full value for them but those teams need to shed in order to round out their rosters.

  175. ArmchairGM says:

    RonnieB:
    Just musing…

    I wonder how close we were on Connolly. A lot of us thought the Oilers could go as high as $3.5 AAV; hesigned with Florida for $3.25 x 4 (originally reported as $3.5, since changed to $3.25). Was it the 4th year that scared us away ?

    Also Mrazek…TSN panel reported that he wanted 3 x $3 which doesn’t seem unreasonable. He signed for 1 x $3 plus 1 x $3.25. Were the Oilers ever involved or were they settled on Smith from the beginning ?

    Yeah, these two contracts burn me up. Huge missed opportunities for Holland.

  176. ArmchairGM says:

    I’m wondering if Holland couldn’t add a guy like Patrick Marleau for ~$1.5M x 1 today. It would ostensibly fill the “top-6 winger” need and leave some cap space for another aging bet like Vanek or Pominville – all three men scored 16 goals last year and might have something left in the tank.

    Marleau and Pominville in particular seem to have skill sets that could work well with RNH.

  177. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: Avs can move Barrie cause Makar is ready.

    Love what the Avs are doing .wow

    Except they got taken to the woodshed on that trade. Big win for Dubas!

  178. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: – not done. Still need a 3C. Granlund, Khaira, Gagner can play center but need a real 3C

    – want speed, pace and skill in the bottom six. That and a goalie were primary.

    – need more 12 goal scorers for the bottom six this year.

    So… Derick Brassard?

  179. ArmchairGM says:

    YKOil: By default, barring a dump of Lucic or Russell

    I agree with the jist of your comment, but I’m counting on being able to move Rusty next summer. Fifteen team trade list and just $1.5M owing on his contract and I think you’ll see a cash-strapped team willing to take that on – as long as he can still play.

    Here’s hoping.

  180. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: He was also very dismissive of the suggestions and pressing question on a top 6 winger but was clear he still needed a 3C.

    Cody Eakin or Oscar Lindberg for me.

    I don’t think Lindberg is a legitimate option for 3rd line center. He’s only taken 410 faceoffs in the past 2 years, or 3.47 per game. For the Oilers last year that rate would have been 10th:

    Draisaitl 16.3
    McDavid 11.8
    Strome 11.3
    Brodziak 11.0
    Nugent-Hopkins 10.2
    Cave 7.2
    Malone 4.5
    Marody 4.3
    Gagner 3.6

    Eakin took about 12 per game last year with a 51% win rate.

  181. ArmchairGM says:

    I haven’t read through all the comments on the thread, but I’d like to hear from all the people that were against pursuing Connolly who would rather have spent that money on Donskoi and another piece. I wonder if they noticed that Donskoi signed for $700k MORE than Connolly did.

  182. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: So, they won’t sign Marner until after the season starts?

    You’ve forgotten about the 10% off-season cushion?

    LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

    At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.

    Of they could use the training-camp equation. The training camp equation can be used on the last day of training camp in preparation for the first day of the season:

    ACSL = Team cap hit – LTIR player’s cap hit

    Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, on the last day of the off-season a team has a projected cap hit of $78M and places a player with an AAV of $3.5M on LTIR:
    Team cap hit = $78M
    Player’s cap hit = $3.5M
    ACSL = $78M – $3.5M = $74.5M
    To accrue cap space while the team continues to use LTIR, they would need to trade players to get below a projected cap hit value of $74.5M.

  183. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    Can’t wait until Holland has to trade for an NHL capable goalie 25 games into the season

    Nah, just bring Starrett up. It worked for St. Louis.

  184. ArmchairGM says:

    Bondo11: I agree with your thought. Here’s what I posted earlier today –

    After signing Panarin, the #Rangers now have $8,769,391 in projected cap space, with a roster of 19 (11F/6D/2G)
    Notable RFA’s:
    Brendan Lemieux
    Pavel Buchnevich
    Jacob Trouba
    Anthony Deangelo
    Would Holland trade JP, Bear, & a 2020 2nd for Kreider?
    * Kreider has a 11 team no trade list, so the Oilers couldn’t be on it or he would have to waive to come to Edmonton.

    innercitysmytty:
    Bondo11,

    Didn’t see your post but yeah exactly my thinking too. With Kreider UFA next summer and rangers having to dump salary I’m not sure it would even take that much. But if it did I would make that trade and if you can sign him long term great, if not deal him at the deadline if we’re out of it.

    Kreider is exactly the player-type we need more of – sort of a Maroon with speed – but I don’t see how we fit him under the cap and still get the 3C that Holland wants. Sadly I think one of our rivals picks him up in a sweet deal (the story of the past few days).

  185. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m quite happy with Holland’s performance today. A lot of GMs made awful signings and he wasn’t one of them.

    Meh. He missed on quite a few players that were widely discussed here on this forum, many of whom signed for LESS than projected. Connolly, Ennis, Pirri, Panik, etc.

  186. ArmchairGM says:

    oilersfan:
    Would Riley sheahan make sense as a 3c?

    Offense is inconsistent but he is an excellent penalty killer and is good at face offs.

    Would likely sign for close to 1.5. Cheaper than Boyle and a better skater

    I like Sheahan and I think Holland does too. I haven’t looked at his stats at all, but you’d have to think, given their history together, that Holland is talking to his agent.

  187. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    ArmchairGM: Meh. He missed on quite a few players that were widely discussed here on this forum, many of whom signed for LESS than projected. Connolly, Ennis, Pirri, Panik, etc.

    Connolly – Florida has WAY more benefits to provide than Edmonton could have.
    Weather, Location, Travel Schedule, No Taxes, and not having to play hockey in a fishbowl environment are some of them off the top of my head.

    Pirri – Vegas has practically all of those same benefits (minus travel), and is practically already a cup contender.

    Panik – Washington is a perennial cup contender and also benefits from travel and location.

    Ennis – …. I’ll definitely give you that one. Ottawa… BLECH!!!

  188. Rube Foster says:

    OP,

    I’m on the Oscar Lindberg train. He’s fast Lander and he is just entering his prime and trying to get established. Edmonton could be the perfect landing spot for him. I would prefer Lindberg or Sheehan for 3C over Boyle. The older gents like Boyle just don’t seem to work out for us in Edmonton.

    If there is a way to pry Eakins and Gusev out of Vegas that would go a long way to addressing some significant gaps in our roster. Play some funky music Jools, make it happen!

    Also, MPS for $1M. Come back home Ultra Magnus. I’m still crossing my fingers for a for a Red Wing-esque Tre Kronor Line of Nygard – Lindberg – Paajarvi. Speed Kills.

    Day One FA Frenzy over. Time for Jools Holland to tinkle the ivories.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Responding to Rube stating:

    Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

    If Gusevis available, he would be a Gord send.

    ____________________________

    I’ve heard some very unofficial rumblings that Gusev is “seeking” $5M-$6M – obviously, if that’s the case, notwithstanding tearing up the KHL, he’s out of touch with reality and, if he is “seeking” that type of cash, a hard pass.

    Cody Eakin, mind you….

  190. ArmchairGM says:

    Rube Foster:
    OP,

    I’m on the Oscar Lindberg train. He’s fast Lander and he is just entering his prime and trying to get established. Edmonton could be the perfect landing spot for him. I would prefer Lindberg or Sheehan for 3C over Boyle. The older gents like Boyle just don’t seem to work out for us in Edmonton.

    If there is a way to pry Eakins and Gusev out of Vegas that would go a long way to addressing some significant gaps in our roster.Play some funky music Jools, make it happen!

    Also, MPS for $1M. Come back home Ultra Magnus.I’m still crossing my fingers for afor a Red Wing-esque Tre Kronor Line of Nygard – Lindberg – Paajarvi.Speed Kills.

    Day One FA Frenzy over. Time for Jools Holland to tinkle the ivories.

    I don’t see Lindberg as a center though. What makes you think he can thrive in that role? Do you really think Holland will go with an unproven player in the most important bottom-6 role?

  191. sumaclab says:

    The market for Conner and Laine was set yesterday. Aho’s contract puts the ball squarely in the Jets court. at almost 17 million for these 2 players it is going to put a squeeze on the Jets to move cap space out and sign not only these 2 players but also bring in a servicable defenseman.
    If its me. I call Vancouver up to see if they will take Lucic at 50%. Or Ottawa.
    Though Ehlers playoff scoring drought is at 21 games his seasonal totals are excellent. like Eberle,he is a guy who will get you to the playoffs by scoring during the season.
    I still think Larrson will be moved. Kreider?
    With so many signings yesterday there will be some teams needing time to digest theie moves and then we should see a few trades for teams looking to sign RFAs..They will need capspace.

    Oilers should get a quality winger. Patience is the key. .

  192. Rube Foster says:

    ArmchairGM: I don’t see Lindberg as a center though. What makes you think he can thrive in that role? Do you really think Holland will go with an unproven player in the most important bottom-6 role?

    ArmChair,

    Your concern about Lindberg’s Faceoff capacity is valid. However, should Holland share the same enthusiasm for Lindberg at 3C as OP, I think we’ll be just fine.

    Up until recently Holland has enjoyed the benefit of speaking with noted Swedish Fishing guide Håkan Andersson on a regular basis. I am certain there isn’t a current Scandinavian NHLer that hasn’t been thoroughly vetted and discussed by Andersson and Holland. Lindberg would certainly have been on Andersson’s radar.

    If we sign Lindberg to play 3C, by proxy that means Håkan Anderson believes he is an NHL Center. That’s good enough for me.

  193. Rube Foster says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Responding to Rube stating:

    Gusev would have a cheap cap hit and would be be a top six forward on the Oilers.

    If Gusevis available, he would be a Gord send.

    ____________________________

    I’ve heard some very unofficial rumblings that Gusev is “seeking” $5M-$6M – obviously, if that’s the case, notwithstanding tearing up the KHL, he’s out of touch with reality and, if he is “seeking” that type of cash, a hard pass.

    Cody Eakin, mind you….

    $5M… ouch.

    I wonder if he would sign a “show me” deal with the Oilers for a chance to play with best player in the world and play for the Russian whisperer GM.

    With that said, I don’t know if we have enough cap for Eakins and a “show me” Gusev.

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