Like a Hurricane

One of the things Ken Holland said after arriving in Edmonton surrounded improving the bottom-six forwards. Two of his moves, adding Markus Granlund and Josh Archibald, are designed to shore up that area of the roster. Both men bring some offense and utility. Holland needs a third-line center and a scoring winger. He isn’t done. Right?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Potential free-agent options for the Oilers in 2020
  • New Jonathan Willis: Which Oilers defencemen can make an outlet pass?
  • New Kent Wilson and Lowetide: Why the Flames and Oilers would (and wouldn’t) trade Sam Bennett for Jesse Puljujarvi
  • New Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • New Jonathan Willis: What the Oilers’ 2020 cap situation suggests about Ken Holland’s master plan.
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: With free agency all but over, Oilers’ Ken Holland has tough work ahead on the trade front
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Is there anyone left in free agency who can help the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Will the 2019-20 Bakersfield Condors be the Oilers’ best minor-league team ever?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The Oilers have a new amateur scouting director. What can we learn from Tyler Wright’s track record at the draft?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers are finally recovering from the wayward 2014 Draft
  • Lowetide: Projecting Darnell Nurse’s next contract and possible trades
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A missing mom, aching feet and looking for Kevin Lowe: A week in the life of Oilers prospect Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: What to do when Connor McDavid rests: The Oilers’ ideal No. 2 line for 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Adding a scorer will be Ken Holland’s first big move as Oilers GM
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the Oilers’ depth chart looks like now and where they go from here
  • Jonathan Willis: How often do goalies like the Oilers’ Mike Smith rebound?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s roster moves clear the way for Oilers top prospects Tyler Benson and Kailer Yamamoto.
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers GM Ken Holland promises long-term rewards for an approach light on short-term improvements
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trade market now most likely place for Oilers to find scoring winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘He comes as advertised’: Philip Broberg’s skating makes him development camp standout for Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers plan to skew younger on defence could open the door for Evan Bouchard, Dmitri Samorukov
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.
  • Lowetide: Are these Jesse Puljujarvi’s final days with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ranking the Oilers’ trade assets from the high-priced diamonds to those needing fresh starts
  • Lowetide: Oilers GM Ken Holland is shopping for 20-goal scorers on a budget. What will he find?

COYOTES 2016-17 FORWARDS

Dave Tippett’s final Coyotes team didn’t have a lot of scoring power up front and there weren’t many useful veterans. He ran his best young offensive forward (Domi) with his best center and scoring winger (Hanzal and Vrbata). Then he cobbled together something resembling a checking line (Martinook trio) and ran what was left on the 2 and 4 lines. His most successful line was Perlini-Dvorak-Doan, outscoring opponents 12-6 in 292 minutes. What is the Oilers equivalent of Perlini-Dvorak-Doan?

OILERS 2018-19 FORWARDS

Tippett’s top line in Edmonton should be able to outscore opponents this season, but the 2-4 lines are going to be a challenge. I’ve put together a checking line (sans center) for the No. 3 group and a fourth line that should be able to outscore the soft parade. Nuge is an orphan again. I’m fascinated to see how Tippett runs his lines. Note: I’m not running Gagner on the Nuge line because I don’t like Samwise against elites 35-40 percent of the time. He should be a more productive player on the No. 4 line imo.

A quick note on Josh Archibald. I think Tippett will use him up and down the order, but am hopeful the team finds a No. 3 center who can run with him. If the duo can outscore at five-on-five and PK, that’s a helluva value for a $1 million winger.

It’s 70 percent yes after 4,000 votes, I think it’ll finish around that number. Twitter isn’t the best gauge but it does give us an indication of the direction of the fan base.

BENSON VERSUS LUCIC

This is a battle that is likely to be fought during the 2019-20 season. Odds favor Benson starting the year in Bakersfield, as new management and coaching staff talk up Lucic (“he’s in the best shape of his life!”). The long game favors the youngster. Let’s review the production of each man during the final 25 games of 2018-19:

Milan Lucic: 25, 1-5-6, 22 shots (NHL)

Tyler Benson: 25, 10-22-32, 63 shots (AHL)

Even if you cut the Benson numbers in half, there’s plenty of horsepower there. Holland and Tippett may plan to slow play the yutes, but they’re not going to be ridiculous about elevating men like Benson.

THE KIDS ON BLUE

I assume you read all of Jonathan Willis’ pieces, so recommending one seems a bit over the top. Still, his article on puck movers (here) is outstanding and a must read. If you look at the depth charts for left and right defense (here), and remember Tippett took Chychrun for his NHL roster while he was still a child, suddenly training camp becomes a lot more interesting.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Friday!! We kickstart the weekend at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports at 10:20 to talk media, live mic CFL and summer holidays. Matt Iwanyk will be live at 11:05 to talk about the Eskimos and The Open. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Ben says:

    Yeeesh. Where can I find NHLe for the Oilers current roster?

    Seeing as it’s a deep draft and we’re firmly in the course of a Bicentennial of Darkness, I hope Holland doesn’t blow his brains out trading picks to upgrade.

  2. jtblack says:

    LOTTERY TEAM AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – If you look out a year: these are all the salaries that are “gone, :

    1) Gagner $3.2
    2) Kassian $1.9
    3) Manning $2.3
    4) Smith $2.5 (thats a guess)
    5) Benning $1.9

    – Maybe with decent years, these guys are gone with little pain:

    1) Russell $4
    2) Lucic $6

    – So in a best case scenario, you could have $22MM in a year to improve the roster. (it’s a shame that we have Pou and Sek for $3.8 still on book next year, else almost $26MM)

    – The only roster player who is due a big raise is Nurse (or Benning if is bonafide 2RHD)

    – This year we really really need some of Kailer, Pool, Benson, Marody, any of these other signings to actually be better than the Gagner, Kassian, etc: on entry level deals by end of season.

    – And if you can have a goalie from the system ready, then you have a effective goalie tandem

    – And if any of Jones, Bear, Bouchard. Persson, Laggs etc emerge on entry level deals

    – Spend the rest of the summer dreaming up deals where we going to rip off other GM’s and get wicked players, and some remaining UFA’s that guys’ going to be wicked

    – But its all about having guys bona-fide NHL ready for next season (and chem to make it this year)

    – Or its about having a bunch of emerging guys that look good that you can package up to a team and get someone wicked from strength next 12 months

  4. jtblack says:

    Here is what JTBLACK would like to see …

    Turn Loose the team as is …no major additions or subtracions outside of the normal course of business (JP? dump Lucic somehow? etc) …..

    Once the trade deadline gets close, Holland should be unloading anyone and everyone who he can get picks for … RUSSELL? any UFA, etc etc ….

    2020 is supposed to be excellent .. Load up with picks … Pick them all ….

    Then Summer of 2020 Holland can actually have the freedom (cap wise) to make the proper additions and subtractions and build a team that HE wants … one that should be competitive for a playoff spot …

    By Fall 2020, this team should look nothing like the current team …

    LET’S GO OILERS

  5. RT26 says:

    I would love to see if we could package Russell and Puljajarvi to LA (for Toffoli) or Calgary (for Bennett). Would clear up cap space and see if we could give Benning a shot at 2RD for 2019-20

  6. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jtblack,

    – Kinger endorses this plan: see my outline just above on the matter. It’s a solid plan JT: its reality

  7. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Fingers crossed Lavoie knocks it out of the park this season and only needs half a year in the AHL before being a bonafide prospect…

    #HOPE

  8. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: This year we really really need some of Kailer, Pool, Benson, Marody, any of these other signings to actually be better than the Gagner, Kassian, etc: on entry level deals by end of season.

    ELC talent is the new wildcard in the NHL. If teams don’t have ELC talent, they quickly get in Cap Hell ..

    Edmonton requires that they have minimum 3 and as many as 5 (yes 5) players on ELC contracts for the start of 2020 …. Get some of them experience this season and hopefully they can contribute in a meaningful way next year …

    BOUCHARD
    BENSON
    BROBERG

    OTHER
    OTHER …

    Cheap Effective Labor

    and I agree, Cap Wise things OPEN UP bigtime for Holland after this season …

    Unfortunately I see 1 more year of pain before true progress ….. and as we saw with the PC experiemnt, there is NO GURANTEE OF PROGRESS …

  9. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Why did we care if Bouchard was expansion draft eligible? There isn’t a 5th forward I would protect on this team.

  10. Eh Team says:

    We might start the year with a bunch of 1 year placeholders on the roster, but at least we have a lot of viable options in the AHL who should provide decent NHL minutes before the season hits the midway point. Benson-Marody-Yamamoto- Gambardella-Currie-Jones- Persson- Lagesson – Bouchard- Bear – Starrett. There is a lot of opportunity for these guys, If you are a strong (and young) AHL player, the step up to being a complementary NHL player isn’t that big. And some of these guys have a chance to be much more (Benson, Jones, Bouchard, Yamamoto).

    And these guys will solve a lot of the cap issues if they can fill a roster spot at minimal dollars.

  11. Coiler says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and project that the Oilers will NOT be a lottery team by season’s end. Barring catastrophic injuries to Klefbom or Larsson, I think the team will actually duke it out for the last playoff spot in the west but will, in the end, fail by a few points.

    I’m basing it all on the Tippett effect. My belief is that he’ll be a way better communicator than the last two coaches they’ve had and will have them playing safe, boring, and effective hockey.

    Sounds very plausible from my end, as I sip on my fifth scotch on the rocks of the morning…..

  12. condormcdavis says:

    The Cleveland Browns of the NHL folks……..

    I’m always amazed that people here think they’ll even get a sniff of the playoffs in the near future

    3 years is my bet

    And by then McDavid will have been traded to the LA Kings for cash considerations, Drew Doughty and slough of shitty prospects.

    Same as it ever was Oilers fans, Same as it ever was

  13. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Lucic can’t be playing in the top 6…… PERIOD. Not even top 9 really.

    The criticisms of Holland are not fair at all. He walked into a dumpster fire and had very little cap space. He signed a bunch of depth to short deals. It’s a reasonable bet, and we badly need depth.

    We shouldn’t even be mad about the opinion that they will be a lottery team. Holland said the goal was to compete for a playoff spot this year. Even if they are one point off their goal, they are a lottery team.

    Anyone who thinks this team was gonna be a lock for the playoffs, even before Holland made any moves, needs to get their meds re-calibrated. This is just an awful roster, and it’s not gonna get turned around in one summer. That’s why any GM’s that take on this type of gongshow won’t even consider signing for less than 5 years.

    This is the reality.

  14. Side says:

    condormcdavis:
    The Cleveland Browns of the NHL folks……..

    I’m always amazed that people here think they’ll even get a sniff of the playoffs in the near future

    3 years is my bet

    And by then McDavid will have been traded to the LA Kings for cash considerations, Drew Doughty and slough of shitty prospects.

    Same as it ever was Oilers fans, Same as it ever was

    It’s almost as amazing as people who think McDavid in a trade would yield a terrible return like the one you described somehow….

    If McDavid were ever traded, every team in the league would hear and would be fighting for him, throwing as much as they can at the Oilers to get him.

    It will be one of the few times that the Oilers GM job would be easy, because all of the other GMs will be doing the work for them.

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack,

    Chia had many failings, but chief amongst them is he wasn’t flexible enough to readjust his plans after making the playoffs. He should have been pleasantly surprised and changed tack. But he had an ideal and plan of what should win cups (or certain influential people did) and one can only admire his bull headed stubbornness.

  16. defmn says:

    jtblack:

    Once the trade deadline gets close, Holland should be unloading anyone and everyone who he can get picks for … RUSSELL?any UFA, etc etc ….

    2020 is supposed to be excellent .. Load up with picks … Pick them all ….

    Unfortunately I am going to guess that every GM in the league is aware that the 2020 draft is supposed to be excellent and trading marginal UFA’s may not be as lucrative as it once was.

    I agree the theory is good. Not so sure it will play out like that in practice.

  17. Jordan says:

    Throwing assets away for more cap space will not help this team long-term.

    The assets people would want we won’t trade, and the assets we would trade don’t have enough perceived value to make up the value of the cap space for the assets we would want back.

    Hence the Sekera buyout – the least egregious option. (spits)

    I am not convinced that we are a lottery team yet.

    I think there are 3 outs that the Oilers have that may keep them in the race this year:

    1 – Goaltending. Between Talbot and Koskinen, the Oilers starters were a combined – 20 Goals against above average last year. Effectively meaning if the Oilers had average tending, they would have let in 20 goals less last year. That’s an enormous swing on the GF/GA ratio. If goaltending regresses to the mean, we’ve improved from 2018-19.

    2 – Tippet. We’ve saw how this team can perform when they have all their players healthy in November and December 2018. If Tippet can find that team, and continue to find effective ways to transition the puck up ice without forcing our goalies to make 10-bell saves, the Oilers could both increase their offensive output and decrease the GA again. I don’t know if that can happen, but I know Tippet is incredibly motivated to build a better mousetrap for this team. If he succeeds…

    3 – Wildcards. Between the Bakersfield prospects, the NHL/Euro signings and the depth players the Oilers already had under contract/brought back, there’s probably enough players to make up about 4 or 5 3rd or 4th lines and two or three 3rd pairings. From my perspective, it looks like the team is making cheap bets and looking to see who can out-perform their contracts and fill a role on the roster. If any of those players turns out to be a 2nd pairing Dman this year, or a 2nd line winger, this team could soar. Ken has made as many cheap bets as he could and he’s hoping one of his numbers pops on the roulette wheel.

    This looks a lot like the last 2 summers under Chia, except Ken is making small bets and isn’t burning existing assets to get his guy. The GM continues to hope one of his guys comes through.

  18. Jordan says:

    I’d like to propose an alternate lineup to LTs that may both perform better and Tippett might see more value in:

    Leon – McD – JP
    Benson – Nuge – Kassian
    Granlund – Khaira – Haas
    Nygard – Marody – Chiasson
    Extra – Gagner, Jurco

    Waived / LTIR / etc… Lucic, Cave, Brodziak (slow boots / can’t transition)

    Why deploy the line-up like this? Speed & transition. There isn’t a line here that doesn’t have a burner who can forecheck hard or dart back if the D needs extra support. I see these players as McD, Kass, Nygard and Haas (presuming scouting on those guys is accurate).

    It spreads some NHL exp over all lines. It means all lines should have a decent chance of being a threat to score without being a defensive liability. If the players buy into Tip’s system… this could work. It’s not a cup contender, but it’s a competitive lineup IMO.

  19. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – If you look out a year: these are all the salaries that are “gone, :

    1) Gagner $3.2
    2) Kassian $1.9
    3) Manning $2.3
    4) Smith $2.5 (thats a guess)
    5) Benning $1.9

    – Maybe with decent years, these guys are gone with little pain:

    1) Russell $4
    2) Lucic $6

    – So in a best case scenario, you could have $22MM in a year to improve the roster.(it’s a shame that we have Pou and Sek for $3.8 still on book next year, else almost $26MM)

    Cap friendly has the Oilers current cap space at $3.9M.
    Russ99 posted the other day that if you account for this seasons potential bonuses, the cap space is less than $2M.
    So in other words no money for a bonafide top 6 winger or 3C.
    Thanks alot Russ99! I thought we were friends.
    I say nuts to that spend to the cap & let the bonusi run into 2020 because there will be so much extra cap space.
    The goal has to be the playoffs & Holland absolutely can not leave the roster as is FFS!

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    “One of the things Ken Holland said after arriving in Edmonton surrounded improving the bottom-six forwards. Two of his moves, adding Markus Granlund and Josh Archibald, are designed to shore up that area of the roster. Both men bring some offense and utility. Holland needs a third-line center and a scoring winger. He isn’t done. Right?”

    ———————————————–

    Holland has sure been true to his word this off-season – will try and improve the team this year, however, won’t make moves for short terms gain that inhibit or risk the ability to improve more substantially in the next few years. In that course, depth and skill will be added to the bottom 6 and an goalie with a track record of success acquired.

    Boom – he’s done that.

    Well, we can argue if the current roster is improved over last year’s, however, I think we can all acknowledge that one of the major issues with last year’s roster was the bottom 6 – not only their production but their inability to maintain momentum, let alone create momentum, take on solid minutes to allow the top end players to rest and to win any sort of possession game let alone goal share (i.e. keep the puck out of the zone and let the goalie rest on the ice).

    It looks like, even if the offensive production in the bottom 6 isn’t hugely increased, the bottom 6 should still be more effective at playing regular minutes and not getting caved – there is something material about playing less in the defensive zone and not losing momentum created by the higher end player.

    Ya, maybe this is a stretch but a more substantial bottom 6 should make the team better even if they aren’t producing a ton of offence. Of course, they could produce more offence than last year – all this remains to be seen.

  21. Ryan says:

    From the ole thread

    Bulging Twine:
    5×5 P/60 over final 41 games (more than 260 minutes played):

    McDavid 2.71
    Draisattl 2.42
    Kassian 1.84
    Gagner 1.74
    RNH 1.63
    Lucic 1.31
    Khaira .87
    Chiasson .85
    Brodziak .67
    Rieder .59
    Cave .53

    – – – –

    We all already know my thoughts on the Chaser contract.

    Kassian is the mirror image. Look at his first 41.

    Kassian 0.56 points/60

    #whycantallourwingersplaywithMcDavidandDraisatl?

    Kassian was a pump and dump, but no one told Kenny.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as that established scoring winger, I still don’t think that is something Holland ever really expressed was a target. He always spoke of the goalie and depth, skill, speed in the bottom 6. He responded to questions about the scoring winger with responses such as “we’re always looking”.

    He has expressed the need for a 3C so, given how true to his word he’s been, I expect that acquisition. Lots of options out there – Sheehan, Lindberg, Boyle, Marleau – some trade options such as Eakin.

    Yes, if they can scoop a Gusev for reasonable acquisition cost and contract, absolutely, I think he’ll grab that potential scorer but I’m not counting on it.

    Sure, if he can some how pawn Russell off on Winnipeg for Ehlers with the plus making sense (2nd round pick plus second tier D prospect), I’m sure he’ll do it but I’m not counting on it.

  23. texmex says:

    The addition of a top 6 W and a 3C really change the appearance of the team IMO. Imagine something like:

    Draisaitl Mcdavid Kassian
    Buchnevich RNH Chaisson
    Granlund Brassard Archibald
    Lucic JJ Gagner

    It’s not Cup worthy, but I think it would battle for a PO spot.

    Is JP + D prospect + a 2nd is enough to get a top 6W on cap straped team?

  24. doritogrande says:

    Can Pavel Buchnevich help this team in a top-6 role? Asking for a friend that is math-illiterate.

  25. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    LOTTERY TEAM AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    +1 & not the lame “everyone who misses the playoffs gets a ticket” kind either.
    It’s the poopi pants level of mediocrity

  26. Leonnor McDraivid says:

    I like the additions that Holland has made to the bottom six. He definitely added speed and skill, but most of his additions are unproven. This is why most of the Oilers’ fan base was less than impressed with the Holland hiring. He is a great manager, but an oldschool thinker who believes in building teams slowly through the draft. This is a great concept, but the Oilers’ fanbase do not have the patience for this type of build or retool. The most irritating thing for all Oilers’ fans right now is that media employed by the team is already trying to sell next season to the fanbase when the Oilers have more cap space, which is the exact opposite of what Oilers’ fans want to hear right now. This tells me that the Oilers are continuing to ignore their fanbase. The Oilers have been selling “the future” for the past decade now and the fanbase is done listening. We want results now. IMO…a young forward-thinking GM would have gotten immediate results by coming up with creative ways to improve the personnel of this team. Unfortunately, Holland will do this the old way, which is going to take some time. The problem is most Oilers fans are out of time.

  27. Pescador says:

    texmex:
    The addition of a top 6 W and a 3C really change the appearance of the team IMO. Imagine something like:

    Draisaitl Mcdavid Kassian
    Buchnevich RNH Chaisson
    Granlund Brassard Archibald
    Lucic JJ Gagner

    It’s not Cup worthy, but I think it would battle for a PO spot.

    Is JP + D prospect + a 2nd is enough to get a top 6W on cap straped team?

    I say that’s enough to get them but there isn’t enough cap to pay them.
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  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    So, we all agreed yesterday that the numbers over the last few years show that Nuge/Lucic has been a positive duo (also with Kassian last year in a small smaple – 4/0 goal share in 18 minutes( and that most of of Chiasson’s 5 on 5 success last year was with Drai and not McDavid.

    We also agree that, in a perfect world, Drai and McDavid play a few less minutes than last year.

    I think this leads us to the 3 center approach and two pairs – Lucic/Nuge and Drai/Chiasson

    XXXX / McDavid / XXXX

    Granlund (Jurco) / Drai/ Chiasson

    Lucic / Nuge / Kassian

    ——————————–

    I can’t pencil Nygard or Hass in to the top 6 – they’ve never played NHL games – lets see of they are NHL player before projecting them in to the top 6.

    I am actuall fine flanking McDavid with the likes of Benson and Pulujuarvi.

    Maybe Khaira instead of Benson.

    ——————–

    Khaira/McDavid/Puljujarvi
    Benson/Drai/Chiasson
    Lucic/Nuge/Kassian
    Nygard/Gagner/Jurco

    Hass

  29. LadiesloveSmid says:

    doritogrande:
    Can Pavel Buchnevich help this team in a top-6 role? Asking for a friend that is math-illiterate.

    Hell ya

  30. DBO says:

    My fantasy ideal lineup in 2020

    Draisatl-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Benson-Nuge-Nylander
    Granlund-Pageau-Archibald
    Khaira-Marody-Chiasson

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Jones-Barrie
    Russell-Bouchard

    Lucic gone with whatever is needed to clear his cap
    Nurse dealt for Nylander
    Pageau and Barrie signed (Pageau = $2.75 mill, Barrie $7.5 mill)
    Archibald re up for $1.5 mill
    Granlund re up for $1.5 mill

    According to Willis article which LT referenced, Oilers should have $8.3 mill if you add Nurse at $6 million and a $3.5 mill goalie (which if one of the kids steps up we will have extra savings). So take off another $.67 for Nylander, leaves us $7.65 mill). move Lucic and we have $13.65. With the signings of Barrie, Pageau, Archibald and Granlund we are under the cap. More could be saved by moving Russell for a cheaper 3rd pairing vet LD (not comfortable with all rookie 3rd pair), or moving Chiasson if needed.

  31. jtblack says:

    defmn: Unfortunately I am going to guess that every GM in the league is aware that the 2020 draft is supposed to be excellent and trading marginal UFA’s may not be as lucrative as it once was.

    I agree the theory is good. Not so sure it will play out like that in practice.

    Teams loading up at playoff time will almost ALWAYS part with Picks to get that one player or depth defenseman they think will help them win the Cup …regardless of the year ..

    Not saying we have the assets that other teams covet … but here are a few that might be worth something at the Deadline …

    GAGNER
    KASSIAN
    ARCHIBALD
    BRODZIAK

    Players who have 1 year after the deadline but may interest teams

    RUSSELL
    CHIASSON

    Now the mother of all Deadline Deals, that could get the Oilers a Load Back ..

    RNH …

    RNH probably fetches 1 st rounder in 2020 & Conditionally 2021? he would fetch a lot … The question is, can the Oilers afford to sign RNH in 2 years .. He will command close to $9 Million per I think, especialy if he throws up a couple more 60+ point seasons ..

  32. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think this leads us to the 3 center approach and two pairs – Lucic/Nuge and Drai/Chiasson

    If we are tying Lucic to Nuge we will be spending all year complaining about how Nuge isn’t getting any points. Lucic needs to be playing 10 minutes on the 4th line, or in the press box. If he isn;’t producing, he can’t be playing just because of his contract.

    As for goaltending costing us 20 goals last year, well Koskinen is still Koskinen and Talbot > Smith. Perhaps by randomness we will be better in goal, but talent wise we are even worse.

  33. Professor Q says:

    I mean, Colorado subtracted Duchene and ended up leaving lottery team status and possibly going to the Stanley Cup Finals.

    New Jersey went from Lottery to Cup Contenders to Lottery.

    Not a lot of changes. Some rookies and role players playing like crazy, though. Maybe that happens with Edmonton, maybe it doesn’t.

  34. Professor Q says:

    jtblack,

    Keep good players.

  35. Woogie63 says:

    Team and then number of contracts that are NTC, MTC

    The Oilers (and PC) don’t have a huge issue in this part of negotiations, arguable there is an opportunity when Seattle comes into the league.

    VGK 7
    Arizona 7
    Pens 6
    Caps 8
    Stars 7
    Oilers 4
    CBH 6
    TML 5
    Hurricanes 2
    Sharks 6
    Panthers 7
    Canadiens 4
    Canucks 8
    Sabres 3
    Preds 1
    DRW 8
    TBL 7
    NYR 7
    STLB 8
    BOS 7
    ANA 8
    NYI 8
    LAK 4
    Wild 7
    Flames 5
    Flyers 3
    CBJ 3
    Avs 3
    Devils 4
    Sens 5
    Jets 5

    Capfriendly as of July 19

  36. ArmchairGM says:

    Ben:
    Yeeesh. Where can I find NHLe for the Oilers current roster?

    Seeing as it’s a deep draft and we’re firmly in the course of a Bicentennial of Darkness, I hope Holland doesn’t blow his brains out trading picks to upgrade.

    At this point it’s very doubtful that he’ll do that. He had opportunity enough to upgrade the team this summer and didn’t do it.

    I’m hoping he will knock it out if the park come TDL – he doesn’t have any high-end assets to sell but going into the draft with 3 picks in each of the middle rounds would be amazing. The trouble is, he doesn’t have a lot of experience with selling at the deadline, and neither does Keith Gretzky. Here’s hoping.

  37. ArmchairGM says:

    Coiler:
    I’m going to go out on a limb and project that the Oilers will NOT be a lottery team by season’s end. Barring catastrophic injuries to Klefbom or Larsson, I think the team will actually duke it out for the last playoff spot in the west but will, in the end, fail by a few points.

    I’m basing it all on the Tippett effect. My belief is that he’ll be a way better communicator than the last two coaches they’ve had and will have them playing safe, boring, and effective hockey.

    Sounds very plausible from my end, as I sip on my fifth scotch on the rocks of the morning…..

    If this team makes the second season Tippett will win the Jack Adam’s walking away.

  38. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    I never comment but read the blog every day and follow most of the comments. I have never sent his mentioned although I’m sure it has been thought of by some.

    Lucic, after his bonus is paid next summer, will have three years left with $10m to be paid. That is $3.33 million per year. Retain 50% and a budget team would only be paying $333k per season. Should be easy to move at that price point, no? Even better retaining two million and adding a second rounder to gain $4million in cap space. I know everybody chooses Phoenix and it is cliche but I think Lucic would want to go there and he would fit in nicely.

    In the mean time, I love OP’s line combo of Lucic, RNH, and Kassian. Softer players would never get too far from their own bench.

  39. ArmchairGM says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: The criticisms of Holland are not fair at all. He walked into a dumpster fire and had very little cap space. He signed a bunch of depth to short deals. It’s a reasonable bet, and we badly need depth.

    We had lots of shitty, below-replacement level players last year and the year before. That’s not what we needed this summer. We needed scoring beyond the big 3.

  40. McSorley33 says:

    Who will be better next year?

    Edmonton or the Rangers?

    Will Edmonton be better than New Jersey?

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: Unfortunately I am going to guess that every GM in the league is aware that the 2020 draft is supposed to be excellent and trading marginal UFA’s may not be as lucrative as it once was.

    I agree the theory is good. Not so sure it will play out like that in practice.

    Draft picks always have less value at the deadline than they do at the draft, that’s just the facts. Holland is in a great position to take advantage, as he can trade all the UFA signees (plus anyone who becomes a UFA next summer) at the deadline and run the top Bakersfield players for the last 2 months.

  42. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33: Who will be better next year?

    Edmonton or the Rangers?

    If you have to ask the question… they were similar teams last season and NYR has added some very good players since then. I don’t think it’s close.

  43. ArmchairGM says:

    Pescador: I say nuts to that spend to the cap & let the bonusi run into 2020 because there will be so much extra cap space.

    No there won’t be. Read Willis’ recent article at theathletic.com for an accurate estimate of next years cap situation.

  44. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Benson Nuge Yamamoto

    Season is probably a right off anyways might as well have fun going down.

  45. defmn says:

    jtblack: Teams loading up at playoff time will almost ALWAYS part with Picks to get that one player or depth defenseman they think will help them win the Cup …regardless of the year ..

    Not saying we have the assets that other teams covet … but here are a few that might be worth something at the Deadline …

    GAGNER
    KASSIAN
    ARCHIBALD
    BRODZIAK

    Players who have 1 year after the deadline but may interest teams

    RUSSELL
    CHIASSON

    Now the mother of all Deadline Deals, that could get the Oilers a Load Back ..

    RNH …

    RNH probably fetches 1 st rounder in 2020& Conditionally 2021? he would fetch a lot … The question is, can the Oilers afford to sign RNH in 2 years .. He will command close to $9 Million per I think, especialy if he throws up a couple more 60+ point seasons ..

    Well, it all depends on what kind of years they have, of course, but I don’t see anybody on that list that brings back anything more than a mid round 2nd and that is me trying to be optimistic.

    RNH is different, of course, but I think if the Oilers trade Nuge for picks there would be violence in the streets.

    JMO

  46. jtblack says:

    Professor Q:
    jtblack,

    Keep good players.

    agreed. But at what price do you NOT keep RNH? say he puts up B2B 60 point seasons heading into UFA status ..

    Would you pay him $10 Mil per?

  47. jtblack says:

    McSorley33:
    Who will be better next year?

    Edmonton or the Rangers?

    Will Edmonton be better than New Jersey?

    Rangers ….. Gorton built the Bruins Cup team and he’s building an excellent Rangers team that should compete for the Cup for next 5 years+ …

    Jersey, not so sure … but adding Hughes and Subban can’t hurt ..

  48. ArmchairGM says:

    doritogrande:
    Can Pavel Buchnevich help this team in a top-6 role? Asking for a friend that is math-illiterate.

    He has that upside, but he was 8th vs Elites last year according to puckiq.com so I’m not sure if he’s proven in the top-6.

  49. adamjames2 says:

    I hate to be the guy talking trading Nuge.. But this team can’t afford to let him walk for nothing at UFA.

    jtblack: agreed. But at what price do you NOT keep RNH?say he puts up B2B 60 point seasons heading into UFA status ..

    Would you pay him $10 Mil per?

    If the ask is $10M, I don’t see how they can keep him.

    What does a Nuge trade next off season, 1 year until UFA look like? Seems to me this is the most likely play for a top 6 scoring winger. Which is a shame, trading a C for W. Does a 1 year rental even get you a scoring winger with term?

  50. Oilman99 says:

    Eh Team: If we are tying Lucic to Nuge we will be spending all year complaining about how Nuge isn’t getting any points. Lucic needs to be playing 10 minutes on the 4th line, or in the press box.If he isn;’t producing, he can’t be playing just because of his contract.

    As for goaltending costing us 20 goals last year, well Koskinen is still Koskinen and Talbot > Smith.Perhaps by randomness we will be better in goal, but talent wise we are even worse.

    Totally agree, putting Lucic with Nuge is like asking Nuge to play with one hand tied behind his back. There could be some chemistry with Gagner as a winger for Nuge, as they played together in their early years.

  51. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: agreed. But at what price do you NOT keep RNH?say he puts up B2B 60 point seasons heading into UFA status ..

    Would you pay him $10 Mil per?

    Well, what are his comparables? Who else makes $10M for putting up back-to-back 60 point seasons? Lets at least be reasonable here.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Responding to the following from Eh Team: If we are tying Lucic to Nuge we will be spending all year complaining about how Nuge isn’t getting any points. Lucic needs to be playing 10 minutes on the 4th line, or in the press box.If he isn;’t producing, he can’t be playing just because of his contract.

    ______________________________

    I don’t really care how many points Nuge gets – if we have a third line that has a positive goal differential, that is massive for this team – Nuge/Lucic have had a positive goal differential (and possession) for two years now and an overall solid sample of minutes.

    Assuming McDavid and Drai can win their minutes, generally, apart from each other, I think there is some sense in this.

  53. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM: Well, what are his comparables? Who else makes $10M for putting up back-to-back 60 point seasons? Lets at least be reasonable here.

    That’s a fair statement ; and that is my point …. Let’s Assume

    1) Keep Good Players. So yes I would prefer to keep RNH\
    2) Salaries will continue to rise slightly over the next 2 years.
    3) RNH will want to cash in on his 1 big chance as a UFA, so most likely will push for Bigtime $$$
    4) William Nylander put up B2B 61 point seasons and got $7.5 per ….

    My honest Guess is that RNH will be looking for north of $8 and possibly more than $9 … Not saying he will get that …. At $8 Mil per and under, I keep him …Problem is Edmonton won’t know …. Do you let him walk for nothing like Panarin? Duchene? There is a possibility that could happen if he’s not moved prior to UFA

  54. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM: Well, what are his comparables? Who else makes $10M for putting up back-to-back 60 point seasons? Lets at least be reasonable here.

    Couture might be a good comparable ..

    Put up 52, 61, 70 points and then landed a deal for $8 Mil per over 8 years …

  55. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack: 3) RNH will want to cash in on his 1 big chance as a UFA, so most likely will push for Bigtime $$$

    Nuge’s last contract was for $42 million, so to call his next contract his “1 big chance” seems like a stretch. Yes I get the “as a UFA” part.

    I love the Nuge but I do not see him as a $9 or $10 million player.

  56. jtblack says:

    Hayes put up 44 and 54 points and parlayed that into $7.1 Mil per …..

    Just sayin’ RNH could come in higher than anticipated as a UFA

  57. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Nuge’s last contract was for $42 million, so to call his next contract his “1 big chance” seems like a stretch. Yes I get the “as a UFA” part.

    I love the Nuge but I do not see him as a $9 or $10 million player.

    agreed. He’s Rich for life regardless of his next contract ….

    but I don’t see him taking a Home Town Discount … guess we won’t know til negotiation time ..

    I know there are many more pressing items before signing RNH ..but for Holland that thought process will start at this years’ Trade Deadline …

  58. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    ArmchairGM: We had lots of shitty, below-replacement level players last year and the year before. That’s not what we needed this summer. We needed scoring beyond the big 3.

    What we needed was a capable 1B goalie (3.5-4M), 3rd line Center (4M), RHD that can move the puck (5M), and 2 scoring wingers (3-4.5M each).

    He had about 11.5M to spend on about 20M in needs….. so it wasn’t happening in one summer. So the short term deals buy the organization a year to keep the forwards in Bakersfield to “over-ripen”, and try to integrate some of the young D that are close to ready. They can take a swing at the goalie situation again next summer, or maybe Kosky is not so bad with a more reasonable workload.

    There was no scenario where Holland would springboard this hot mess into a solid playoff bet, so why should he blow his brains out on expensive free agents? From a fan’s perspective, a realistic goal for this season is to stay in the playoff race till the end of the year. Everyone wants this process to go way faster because McDavid and Draisaitl aren’t getting any younger, but like it or not, this team is not close. We’ve all heard this term so many times that the mere mention of it will piss people off, but this is a “rebuilding team”. Let’s just hope it is finally done correctly.

  59. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Skinner got $9M, Hayes got $7.1M.

    Cap is supposedly going up substantially in the next 2 years. Nuge will get paaaaaid

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Lucic can’t be playing in the top 6…… PERIOD.Not even top 9 really.

    The criticisms of Holland are not fair at all.He walked into a dumpster fire and had very little cap space.He signed a bunch of depth to short deals.It’s a reasonable bet, and we badly need depth.

    We shouldn’t even be mad about the opinion that they will be a lottery team.Holland said the goal was to compete for a playoff spot this year.Even if they are one point off their goal, they are a lottery team.

    Anyone who thinks this team was gonna be a lock for the playoffs, even before Holland made any moves, needs to get their meds re-calibrated.This is just an awful roster, and it’s not gonna get turned around in one summer.That’s why any GM’s that take on this type of gongshow won’t even consider signing for less than 5 years.

    This is the reality.

    Get one good player. Is that too much to ask?

  61. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack: ELC talent is the new wildcard in the NHL. If teams don’t have ELC talent, they quickly get in Cap Hell ..

    Edmonton requires that they have minimum 3 and as many as 5 (yes 5) players on ELC contracts for the start of 2020 …. Get some of them experience this season and hopefully they can contribute in a meaningful way next year …

    Hear hear.

    Last year as Edmonton played out the string after the deadline they had exactly zero (0) players on ELCs on the active roster.

    The last ELC-level player to suit up for the Oil was Jesse Puljujarvi on Feb 15. It was a hot mess.

  62. LadiesloveSmid says:

    By the time RNH is a UFA, he will have made the playoffs once in 10 seasons. He won’t even look in the rear view mirror on his way out of town.

  63. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Hear hear.

    Last year as Edmonton played out the string after the deadline they had exactly zero (0) players on ELCs on the active roster.

    The last ELC-level player to suit up for the Oil was Jesse Puljujarvi on Feb 15. It was a hot mess.

    I think this is where EDM will get a big lift in the next few years … GOOD ELC players ….

    Islanders had Barzal and Beauvailer on ELC’s …

    I am hopeful EDM can have 2 – 5 EFFECTIVE ELC players next season … Get them some experience this year and then possibly have the following players to start 2020

    BENSON
    BOUCHARD
    BROBERG
    YAMAMOTO

    maybe 1 more??

    EDIT: To Clarify I mean next season as in 2020 …. I would like to see all those players on opening night 2020; after gaining experience in the NHL this year, so they are ready to contribute next season and not just “make the team”

  64. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    jtblack,

    Broberg is a stretch to play in the NHL in D+2, in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for him to buck the development curve but I think it’s fair to assume he takes at least 3-4 years post draft to start playing a regular (likely 3rd pairing) role on the team. This year in Sweden, next year in BAK then see where he’s at with regards to NHL readiness. There is no rush, and botching his development would be brutal considering the forward talent that was available at 8OV.

    I also don’t know how much KY would be playing next season… but that’s starting to be his window to make his case, based on comparable players. Could still end up being a year or two away at that point, so I wouldn’t even pencil him into the lineup until something like D+4 to D+6.

  65. npanciroli says:

    Principe tweeted he had a source say Lucic for Neal has happened but isn’t sure.

  66. vinotintazo says:

    omg

  67. npanciroli says:

    Kypreos confirms.

  68. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bob pumping the Neal-Lucic trade on air right now. Says final details need worked out but seems to be a done deal.

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    1m1 minute ago
    More
    All signs pointing to a Neal-Lucic deal coming to fruition.
    Potential fresh start for both players

  69. Pescador says:

    Ho hum, nother slow boring news day…

  70. jtblack says:

    for real?

  71. bwar says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR,

    I still feel like adding one real top 6 player would have done more for this club then everything else Holland achieved. Anything beyond that this offseason would have been gravy. Instead we cluttered the bottom 6 and added an ancient goaltender. Zero items on the list were adequately solved.

  72. Pescador says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Nuge’s last contract was for $42 million, so to call his next contract his “1 big chance” seems like a stretch. Yes I get the “as a UFA” part.

    I love the Nuge but I do not see him as a $9 or $10 million player.

    How about $8.75M? 😁

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Straight up this is such a win for the Oilers I can’t imagine there aren’t other pieces involved and am somewhat worried.

    Even taking apart the players, the contracts:

    – Neal’s is $250K cheaper per year

    – Neal’s has no trade protection (so no worry about not waiving for the expansion draft)

    – Neal has zero signing bonus so an normal buyout structure

    Then, of course, the players. They both absolutely were terrible last year, Neal included, however:

    – Neal has had one bad year. Lucic has been bad at 5 on 5 for three straight years (4th line scoring rates each year)

    – I don’t know if Neal has shown an inability to take a pass at the blueline from a d-man, pivot and efficiently move the puck to a forward but Lucic has.

    The only hesitation is that Lucic actually has good (positive) metrics even away from McDavid – he’s a black hole offensively and kills plays, momentum, etc., however, the other team also doesn’t score much leading to positive goals share.

  74. jtblack says:

    this is a GREAT risk by Holland …. Well done Ken. Well done.

    NEAL is a better offensive player for sure …

    They could both be done as good NHL players, but I would say Neal has a much better chance to be a 20 Goal scorer again …

  75. ArmchairGM says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: What we needed was a capable 1B goalie (3.5-4M), 3rd line Center (4M), RHD that can move the puck (5M), and 2 scoring wingers (3-4.5M each).

    He had about 11.5M to spend on about 20M in needs….. so it wasn’t happening in one summer.So the short term deals buy the organization a year to keep the forwards in Bakersfield to “over-ripen”, and try to integrate some of the young D that are close to ready.They can take a swing at the goalie situation again next summer, or maybe Kosky is not so bad with a more reasonable workload.

    This doesn’t make sense to me: you outline 4 areas of need (in your opinion), but because Holland didn’t have enough money to do all of them in one summer you’re okay with him addressing NONE of them?

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: There was no scenario where Holland would springboard this hot mess into a solid playoff bet, so why should he blow his brains out on expensive free agents?From a fan’s perspective, a realistic goal for this season is to stay in the playoff race till the end of the year.Everyone wants this process to go way faster because McDavid and Draisaitl aren’t getting any younger, but like it or not, this team is not close.We’ve all heard this term so many times that the mere mention of it will piss people off, but this is a “rebuilding team”.Let’s just hope it is finally done correctly.

    Why do people keep talking about expensive free agents? It’s a straw man argument – nobody was seriously expecting Holland to go after Bobrovsky, Panarin and Karlsson this summer. But expecting him to do better than someone else’s sloppy seconds isn’t an unreasonable position to take, IMO.

  76. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bob says his source is highly placed in the Lucic camp.

    Says there may be a conditional pick involved going to CGY and a “possible financial inducement.”

    Says Neal has skated with McDavid for a couple years and is in phenomenal shape.

  77. jtblack says:

    If TWITTER is correct the Edmonton Oilers paid Milan Lucic $26,000,000 over 3 years for 39 Goals and 104 Points.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: I think this is where EDM will get a big lift in the next few years … GOOD ELC players….

    Islanders had Barzal and Beauvailer on ELC’s …

    I am hopeful EDM can have 2 – 5 EFFECTIVE ELC players next season … Get them some experience this year and then possibly have the following players to start 2020

    BENSON
    BOUCHARD
    BROBERG
    YAMAMOTO

    maybe 1 more??

    EDIT:To Clarify I mean next season as in 2020 …. I would like to see all those players on opening night 2020; after gaining experience in the NHL this year, so they are ready to contribute next season and not just “make the team”

    Don’t expect Broberg that soon, but I’m pretty confident Samorukov will be here by then. Also, there’s an outside chance Lavoie makes it in D+2.

  79. Bill Clinternet says:

    Hi LT.

    Just wondering if accessing the site from a VPN is now prohibited?

    Thanks.

  80. ArmchairGM says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bob pumping the Neal-Lucic trade on air right now.Says final details need worked out but seems to be a done deal.

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer1m1 minute ago
    More
    All signs pointing to a Neal-Lucic deal coming to fruition.
    Potential fresh start for both players

    Huge if true.

  81. Pescador says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bob says his source is highly placed in the Lucic camp.

    Says there may be a conditional pick involved.

    Says Neal has skated with McDavid for a couple years and is in phenomenal shape.

    Judging by how often this is mentioned,
    Lucic & Neal are in the best shape in the NHL.
    All NHL players workout, why is this always reported like its news?

  82. LadiesloveSmid says:

    They’re both done. Honestly I think Lucic is the more effective player today.

    However, Neal’s contract is more buyout friendly. Lucic will no longer need to be protected for Seattle.

  83. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Pescador,

    LOL don’t disagree with your take.

    I think where these two guys are concerned it might have something to do with the word around CGY that Neal wasn’t in the best shape last year, and the old trope that Lucic is “slow” because of his body mass. Which, of course, is bullshit. Guy has incredible bone density… like off the charts, and he is absolutely shredded. Lucic losing muscle would make him slower not quicker.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    I assume the retained salary isn’t more than $1M and the draft pick would never be a 1st rounder.

  85. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    If TWITTER is correct the Edmonton Oilers paid Milan Lucic $26,000,000 over 3 years for 39 Goals and 104 Points.

    That’s the cost of dressing the league’s scariest boogeyman.
    Did not translate into wins

  86. Pouzar says:

    Gonna grab a beverage and wait for the “Lucic is untradeable” crowd to eat some crow.

  87. JOFA says:

    Does this impact JP’s decision? 😉

  88. Pescador says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Pescador,

    LOL don’t disagree with your take.

    I think where these two guys are concerned it might have something to do with the word around CGY that Neal wasn’t in the best shape last year, and the old trope that Lucic is “slow” because of his body mass.Which, of course, is bullshit.Guy has incredible bone density… like off the charts, and he is absolutely shredded.Lucic losing muscle would make him slower not quicker.

    Haha, yep that’s what happened to me.
    I had to switch to light beer as part of my offseason workouts

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Apparently Neal and McDavid know each other well and get along – they’ve trained together in the past.

  90. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Apparently Neal and McDavid know each other well and get along – they’ve trained together in the past.

    Read that Neal training with Roberts this offseason. Can’t hurt.

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    I’m having a premonition that the retained salary and conditional pick being mentioned will sour my initial feelings of bemusement upon hearing the news of the rumour.

    A sense of foreboding, if you will.

  92. jonrmcleod says:

    Things just got a bit more interesting…

    Just got a notification on my phone about a trade. Any confirmation as to other players, assets involved?

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    $8M X 7 for Trouba.

    They need to shed – I’d take Lemieux

  94. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Man, Neal did not score well with any flames centre.

    Only time he scored was when he would go to the bars down 10th Ave

  95. jtblack says:

    Pouzar: Read that Neal training with Roberts this offseason. Can’t hurt.

    Remember when Lucic was traiining with T.O. to get leaner and quicker? or when Eberle got the shooting coach?

    Most NHL players train hard …. it can’t hurt tho ..better than coming in 20 lbs heavy 🙂

  96. Durag says:

    Exciting breaking news like this is just one of the reasons I tune into the Dave Jamieson Show!!

  97. ArmchairGM says:

    Rishaug confirms deal is done.

  98. jtblack says:

    NEAL had a shooting % of 5 last year. Career average is 11.6%. He played 63 games.

    Even a modest rebound in S% and a full season should see 15 Goals + ….

    I like the bet ….

  99. npanciroli says:

    Oh man this is such a great deal if retention or pick isn’t too crazy.

  100. ArmchairGM says:

    Kypreos thinks the deal is 1-for-1 , but I’m not sure how close he is to the teams in question .

  101. jtblack says:

    FURTHERMORE:

    NEAL had 141 Shots in 63 Games last year. S% – 5.0
    He got 7 Goals.

    Pro rate over 82 Games.

    183 Shots. SH% – 5 = 9 GOALS

    183 Shots. SH% 11.6 (career avg) = 21 GOALS …

    No Idea where he ends up, but asking for 15 Goals doesn’t seem unreasonable

  102. Jiminey says:

    So excited to see Lucic go… so terrified to find out exactly what it is costing us in picks and salary retention!

  103. Oil2Oilers says:

    I praise Holland for getting out of the Lucic deal. However it works out with Neal this was the right move.

  104. John Chambers says:

    Great. Now we need to find another Milan Lucic-type.

  105. jtblack says:

    If this means I don’t have to watch Lucic throw Grenades into his teammates feet anymore, that’s a WIN.

    Come on Neal, just be reasonable .. .at the very minimum, just be reasonable

  106. Andy Dufresne says:

    HOLY SHIT!

    I almost dont care what the terms are.

    This is exciting!

  107. Faustkarz says:

    Said last night:

    Team doesn’t need another buy out. Lucic (50% retained) + 3rd for Neal (50% retained) would consider only for future movement of both players off both teams.

    Hopefully I am correct

  108. LadiesloveSmid says:

    To be fair, Lucic is a 13.5% career shooter. Likely north of 14 before 2017-18 and has shot 6.8% and 8.1% the last 2 years with no sign of regressing.

    Neal at least shoots about twice as much as Lucic (at least last season). Doesn’t drive play as well.

  109. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Holy Gord, Christmas came early this year!!!!

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Friedman messed up, its actually

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Why did we care if Bouchard was expansion draft eligible? There isn’t a 5th forward I would protect on this team.

    I’m somewhat confident the team will look a bit different at the end of next season.

    Also, you don’t want to protect Tyler Benson?

  111. Admiral Ackbar says:

    I heard Neal really dialled it in arriving in Calgary overweight and uninspired. I hope there’s a good combination of carrot & stick that can get him productive. Flames didn’t have the Cs that the Oilers have (strangely one area the Oilers May have been superior).

    I hope.

    I hope again…. thank you Holla.

  112. Jiminey says:

    All the people that have been crapping on Holland for not doing enough this off season can now officially STFU!

  113. condormcdavis says:

    The Cleveland Browns would never make this kind of deal…

    Maybe I was wrong

  114. HT Joe says:

    If Lucic is gone, do you think the Oilers could sign Maroon for a relatively inexpensive contract??

  115. LadiesloveSmid says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Friedman messed up, its actually

    I’m somewhat confident the team will look a bit different at the end of next season.

    Also, you don’t want to protect Tyler Benson?

    I mean is there anyone you can’t sign off a PTO in late August outside of 97, Drai, RNH, Benson on this roster. Expose them all

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Why did we care if Bouchard was expansion draft eligible? There isn’t a 5th forward I would protect on this team.

    I’m somewhat confident the team will look a bit different at the end of next season.

    Also, you don’t want to protect Tyler Benson?

  117. ArmchairGM says:

    Jiminey:
    All the people that have been crapping on Holland for not doing enough this off season can now officially STFU!

    haha! Yes, James Neal is just what the doctor ordered!

    Long term goals: back on track.

  118. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Admiral Ackbar,

    Strange he still had a good season in Vegas.

    He was a bar shark in Calgary. Every 20-something hockey fan here has seen him around.

    I think turning 32 + signing your last contract = mailing it in & your body not moving like it did years prior

  119. Woogie63 says:

    Now JP will be easier to sign
    and snag Buchnevich

    Buchnevich-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Driasaitl-Chaisson
    Nygard-Hopkins-Puljujarvi
    Grandlund-Haas-Archibald
    Khaira-Gagner

    Klefbom-Larson
    Nurse-Persson
    Russell-Benning
    Jones

    Koskinen
    Smith

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    LeonnorMcDraivid:
    I like the additions that Holland has made to the bottom six. He definitely added speed and skill, but most of his additions are unproven. This is why most of the Oilers’ fan base was less than impressed with the Holland hiring. He is a great manager, but an oldschool thinker who believes in building teams slowly through the draft. This is a great concept, but the Oilers’ fanbase do not have the patience for this type of build or retool.

    ” This is a great concept, but the Oilers’ fanbase do not have the patience for this type of build or retool.”

    This isn’t a problem with the fanbase but a problem with the manger.

    Thankfully Holland seems to have the courage of his convictions and will do what he thinks is right to propagate his goal of building a contender even if he knows that fan base will not immediately approve (i.e. the Borberg pick).

    No, we aren’t talking about a 5 year rebuild but knowing this will take a year or two to turnaround and making smart and low-risk moves/non-moves at this point to ensure the bullets are there to take advantage when the real opportunities for substantial acquisitions are available.

  121. McSorley33 says:

    Wow.

    Putrid contract for Horrible contract..

    Its already the best transaction the Oilers have made in a LONG time.

    The boat anchor is Gone!!

  122. Ice Sage says:

    Sail on Vancouver Giant.

    What are the $ modifiers?

  123. misfit says:

    Ice Sage:
    Sail on Vancouver Giant.

    Coquitlam Express

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    BensonNugeYamamoto

    Season is probably a right off anyways might as well have fun going down.

    If the season is a write-off, which I don’t agree with, then proper development of prospects should be primary, no?

    That would allow Yamamoto the AHL development time they tried to finally give him last year before the damn injuries.

  125. Pouzar says:

    So if Gregor says somethiing…go opposite.

  126. Jiminey says:

    ArmchairGM: haha! Yes, James Neal is just what the doctor ordered!

    Long term goals: back on track.

    It is not the return, it is moving the unmovable contract. Getting Lucic off the books is a huge win for the off season!

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    Im happy today.

    Would add thaqt Milan Lucic is a great guy, quality human being, and that Calgary looks like a better fit for him IMO. The Calgary team is a mix of fast and slow. I think he could find success in thier middle six.

    Neal is a complimentary player who plays better with skill.

    Good trade for both teams.

  128. Pouzar says:

    Michael Parkatti@mparkatti

    I’m a bit skeptical about the need for either Neal or Lucic to ‘push play’. With McDavid, that’s not their concern. Neal needs to capitalize on the unprecedented chaos McDavid creates, a role that Lucic did ok at (mostly on the PP) in his 1st year.

    Michael Parkatti@mparkatti

    Neal’s career numbers remind me a lot of Smytty — another kinda slow, oddly gifted goal scorer. Smytty also had a down year at 31yo (14G), but had years of 26,22,23,19 goals afterwards. It’s possible.

    Michael Parkatti@mparkatti

    Smytty had 270 goals at Age 30 — Neal had 263. Smytty ended with 386.

  129. OilSafety says:

    So Lucic moved, should help get Jesse signed, probably means they can add Maroon on a cheap deal, one less player to protect in expansion, and Leon probably gets an A…. wins for everyone.

  130. ArmchairGM says:

    Jiminey: It is not the return, it is moving the unmovable contract. Getting Lucic off the books is a huge win for the off season!

    At best, it saves $250k. It’s not a huge win as far as cap space goes.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Responding to the following from JTBlack: I think this is where EDM will get a big lift in the next few years … GOOD ELC players….

    Islanders had Barzal and Beauvailer on ELC’s …

    I am hopeful EDM can have 2 – 5 EFFECTIVE ELC players next season … Get them some experience this year and then possibly have the following players to start 2020

    BENSON
    BOUCHARD
    BROBERG
    YAMAMOTO

    maybe 1 more??

    EDIT:To Clarify I mean next season as in 2020 …. I would like to see all those players on opening night 2020 after gaining experience in the NHL this year, so they are ready to contribute next season and not just “make the team”

    ___________

    Samorukov
    Masksimov
    McLeod

    They could all impact the lineup starting next season.

    Maksimov has an elite shot/relesae – for all we know, he gels with Drai and becomes a legit NHL goal scorer during the course of his ELC.

    I think McLeod is a few years away but he’s got NHL size and speed and is not devoid of skill.

  132. Rube Foster says:

    Sweet Music Jools! Holland for King of the World!!

    So, do we run McDavid-Neal & Nuge-Leon OR Leon-McDavid & Nuge-Neal?

    I’m leaning towards
    Neal – Connor – Jesse
    Nuge – Leon – Kassian

    Yes… it is “So Oilers” to project a guy who scored 7 goals last season as first-line solution, but damn you all – today we celebrate with visions of a McDavid primed resurgence for James Neal!

    Now, if Holland can sign Lindberg at a reasonable price for 3C, like a Phoenix he will have resurrected this roster from the ashes and puts us in a place where we can dream about the second season.

  133. Eh Team says:

    ArmchairGM: At best, it saves $250k. It’s not a huge win as far as cap space goes

    It will be lots of cap savings if Neal gets bought out next year. Neal either plays well, or he is gone. Even better, he gets a bunch of points with McDavid, and then gets traded.

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Gonna grab a beverage and wait for the “Lucic is untradeable” crowd to eat some crow.

    Me too. 🙂

  135. Andy Dufresne says:

    James Neal SUMMARY

    2018-19
    GP 63 G 7 A 12 PTS 19 SH 141 TOI 14:57 CF% 51.1 oZS% 53.5

    Career
    GP 766 G 270 A 244 PTS 514 SH 2320 GWG 44 TOI 17:39 CF% 53.5 oZS% 58.

  136. bwar says:

    Apparently Lucic has more points over the past five years as James Neal. And during Lucic’s three years in Edmonton, the two players have put up the exact same amount of points. Totally cool with the trade, it just doesn’t feel like a homerun.

  137. vangolf says:

    ArmchairGM: At best, it saves $250k. It’s not a huge win as far as cap space goes.

    Armchair, As a long time reader infrequent commentator, I’m a little disappointed you are sticking with your resident grump role. Cautious optimism (waiting for all details) is the only reasonable reaction in my opinion to this news. I was hoping you could be a little more positive on this X-mas day in July!

  138. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Pouzar:
    Gonna grab a beverage and wait for the “Lucic is untradeable” crowd to eat some crow.

    Me too. 🙂
    **************************************************************************************
    Fair enough.

    Does anyone know what whiskey pairs well with crow?

    Looks like I will be trying a new bird on the BBQ.

  139. Jiminey says:

    ArmchairGM: At best, it saves $250k. It’s not a huge win as far as cap space goes.

    No need to protect him in the expansion draft, and if we do buy him out next year, it is close to 4 MILLION! in cap savings for the remaining 3 years! I’d call that a win in the cap savings department!

  140. Pouzar says:

    bwar:
    Apparently Lucic has more points over the past five years as James Neal.And during Lucic’s three years in Edmonton, the two players have put up the exact same amount of points.Totally cool with the trade, it just doesn’t feel like a homerun.

    Better check the quality of Teammates on those numbers. Oilers wasted a ton of time stapling Lucic’s arse to McD.

  141. treevojo says:

    Is Neal better, worse, or equal to a 7th round pick?

    Asking for a friend.

  142. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Pouzar:
    Gonna grab a beverage and wait for the “Lucic is untradeable” crowd to eat some crow.

    Me too.
    **************************************************************************************
    Fair enough.

    Does anyone know what whiskey pairs well with crow?

    Looks like I will be trying a new bird on the BBQ.

    LOL

    Atta Boy!

  143. ArmchairGM says:

    vangolf: Armchair, As a long time reader infrequent commentator, I’m a little disappointed you are sticking with your resident grump role.Cautious optimism (waiting for all details) is the only reasonable reaction in my opinion to this news. I was hoping you could be a little more positive on this X-mas day in July!

    Oh, I’m cautiously optimistic all right. I’m just not ready to build a statue of Holland just yet like some of the others are. It’s a shit contract for a shit contract, the savings are paltry ($250k) and they’re talking about Edmonton retaining salary and throwing in a conditional pick. So excuse me if I’m not over the moon! 🙂

  144. jtblack says:

    bwar:
    Apparently Lucic has more points over the past five years as James Neal.And during Lucic’s three years in Edmonton, the two players have put up the exact same amount of points.Totally cool with the trade, it just doesn’t feel like a homerun.

    Do you know of any scenario that would have been a Home Run?

    I commend Holland for being able to move him. Lucic had too much term, too much $$$ and a full NTM … to say Holland’s options were limited would be an understatement.

    I watched Neal a lot in Vegas. Neal is a slow footed player as well … He still has an excellent shot. Based on my numbers above, I strongly believe Neal will score 15+ Goals … just based on regression to the norm … if he regresses to career SH% he will score about 21 Goals …

    Again, I am not saying Neal is a lock for 15 Goals _; but if I had to bet i would bet on the OVER.

  145. godot10 says:

    treevojo:
    Is Neal better, worse, or equal to a 7th round pick?

    Asking for a friend.

    Worse. But Holland traded a small paper clip for a big paper clip. So progress.

  146. bwar says:

    jtblack,

    I’m honestly shocked any trade with Lucic was possible. I like Neal more than say Eriksson in a Lucic swap. I don’t think pinning Neal to McDavid’s hip would end up with better results than doing the same with Lucic. I like Neal as part of the PP as a shooter and not much beyond that. Really if he plays on the third line and gets 1st PP time, I think the Oilers are probably happy with the trade. It will be interesting to see who has the better year in the upcoming season, I don’t think it’s a lock that player is Neal.

  147. HT Joe says:

    Put me in the crowd concerned that a motivated Lucic will seriously injure a significant Oiler player before Christmas. Trading an enforcer to the Flames is risky business.

  148. theDjdj says:

    HT Joe:
    Put me in the crowd concerned that a motivated Lucic will seriously injure a significant Oiler player before Christmas.Trading an enforcer to the Flames is risky business.

    Is he an enforcer though? I’d back Khaira or Nurse in a fight over Lucic. Not that I think it likely to happen.

  149. godot10 says:

    HT Joe:
    Put me in the crowd concerned that a motivated Lucic will seriously injure a significant Oiler player before Christmas.Trading an enforcer to the Flames is risky business.

    The Oilers have Kassian, Khaira, and Nurse.

  150. treevojo says:

    godot10: The Oilers have Kassian, Khaira, and Nurse.

    And gagner

  151. theDjdj says:

    godot10: The Oilers have Kassian, Khaira, and Nurse.

    I’d be so bold to suggest that Nurse may be one of the best fighters in the league. He honestly savages players.

  152. Ribs says:

    Here’s hoping the Oilers can now channel the 2011-12 Penguins powerplay. 18 PPG for Neal that year!

    I think Neal is likely too slow and not defensively responsible enough to play a regular shift with McDavid, but I can definitely see his quick draw shot on the powerplay being an asset for 97.

    So long, Looch. Sorry it didn’t work out!

  153. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    vangolf: Armchair, As a long time reader infrequent commentator, I’m a little disappointed you are sticking with your resident grump role.Cautious optimism (waiting for all details) is the only reasonable reaction in my opinion to this news. I was hoping you could be a little more positive on this X-mas day in July!

    I have to agree with vangolf and others. The relentless negativity is nothing more than petty.

  154. digger50 says:

    OilSafety:
    So Lucic moved, should help get Jesse signed, probably means they can add Maroon on a cheap deal, one less player to protect in expansion, and Leon probably gets an A…. wins for everyone.

    Yes

  155. Ribs says:

    godot10: The Oilers have Kassian, Khaira, and Nurse.

    So which one is going to be injured? Hah.

  156. Andy Dufresne says:

    Draisaitl McDavid Kassian
    Neal RNH Chaisson
    Benson Brassard Gagner
    Nygard Khaira Archibald
    Jurco Cave JP

    Kassian face washes Kadri and Tkachuk for top line
    Neal and Chaser both play with a little edge and both have above average shots RNH is the setup man
    The rest are somewhat interchangable.

    If you squint really hard, and click your ruby red slippers, and the tumblers fall just right, this team could have seven 20 goal scorers.

  157. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Pescador,

    Light beer? Sacrilege!

  158. treevojo says:

    HT Joe:
    Put me in the crowd concerned that a motivated Lucic will seriously injure a significant Oiler player before Christmas.Trading an enforcer to the Flames is risky business.

    Enforcers 30+ arent really enforcers anymore. They are more like policemen. It’s the younger jackasses that actually like to fight.

    The fights Lucic was in while an Oiler were a formality. He doesn’t look like he enjoys it one bit.

  159. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – From a management perspective this is a no lose situation

    – If Lucic is awesome in Calgary Holland loses no street cred

    – If Neal is garbage here : hey at least we don’t have Lucic

    – Any improvement to team results from this trade makes Holland look good

    – Who knows what will happen but a change for changes sake in this case means everyone is blameless and each player gets a fresh start.

    – Is the trade 1 for 1 or are we doing more than just eating some of the salary to make it par?

    – I would have liked a three way trade to reduce cap even more and make it easier to trade Neal if he’s shit but pretty hard to be mad when you get what you wished for

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    treevojo: And gagner

    Wins the thread.

  161. LadiesloveSmid says:

    treevojo:
    Is Neal better, worse, or equal to a 7th round pick?

    Asking for a friend.

    Definitely worse.

    Marleau was worth negative 1 first round pick for a single season at $6M.

    Neal will likely be $6.35 after retention for 4 years.

    Lucic was “untradeable” in the sense that you can only get Lucic’s twin sister in return

  162. ArmchairGM says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: I have to agree with vangolf and others. The relentless negativity is nothing more than petty.

    Still waiting for Holland to do something positive…

  163. theDjdj says:

    I think Calgary take this deal with a gentlemen’s understanding that Lucic waives his NMC for expansion draft. They offer a pick to take Lucic to Seattle in a year. Effectively they gain a possession positive player who works better in their middle six for year. A good league wide reputation they convince another team to take in the Reaves role one year later. No way that Neal would be consider “that” guy on an expansion team.

  164. Side says:

    HT Joe:
    Put me in the crowd concerned that a motivated Lucic will seriously injure a significant Oiler player before Christmas.Trading an enforcer to the Flames is risky business.

    Why? When Lucic played against LA or Boston he didn’t seem to injure or act maliciously towards any of their players, imo.

  165. digger50 says:

    godot10: The Oilers have Kassian, Khaira, and Nurse.

    And maybe Bennett as well if the Oil can pluck him out of Calgary for a developing defenseman and mid range pick. Calgary still has to part with a few players.

  166. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Benson is wasted on the 4th line; he’s auditioning for a top-6 role, not bottom-6.

  167. Craig Zonit says:

    WOOOOOOT!!

    Who could have possibly expected Smith and Neal to the Oilers and Lucic to the Flames this offseason? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

    If we had to take dross, I feel like this dross has some possibility of upside. We dispensed with the wrong big man in Maroon for the pay day that never was, and I rather hope he comes back.

  168. Side says:

    ArmchairGM: Still waiting for Holland to do something positive…

    Why single out Holland though? I mean, you’re an Oilers fan. Your dislike for Holland seems bizarre to me given I don’t seem to recall you being this negative over the years where arguably, not a lot of positives came from the GMs.. lol

  169. Hot Eire says:

    Bobby says one for one!

  170. Ribs says:

    One for one. Wow!

  171. YKOil says:

    Pending final terms of the trade, I am impressed. If the terms aren’t onerous this is a huge win; just dropping the NMC drag is a win but getting a contract that can be reasonably bought out if need be is HUGE.

    Only way(s) we lose this trade:

    1, Neal goes further into the suck. I do not see this happening.

    2. Lucic goes on a tear over the remainder of the contract while Neal stagnates. I can see one bounce-back year, not four.

    3. Retention is over $1m AND the conditional pick has a ceiling of the 1st round. Don’t really see both of those being in place for this trade.

  172. bwar says:

    No matter what happens, getting rid of that NMC is such a huge win for the Oilers.

  173. HT Joe says:

    Side: Why? When Lucic played against LA or Boston he didn’t seem to injure or act maliciously towards any of their players, imo.

    The Edmonton media and fans have dumped on Lucic for 3 years now… I don’t think he had that situation with LA or Boston… he was loved there.

  174. Andy Dufresne says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Benson is wasted on the 4th line; he’s auditioning for a top-6 role, not bottom-6.

    I hear ya. Moved him to third line. He’s never played a game in the NHL. Baby steps. (from What About Bob? )

  175. defmn says:

    Tom Gazzola
    ‏Verified account @TomGazzola
    25m25 minutes ago

    Tom Gazzola Retweeted TSN

    Been told that the Flames had been sitting on this deal for a while. Finally decided to pull the trigger.

  176. HT Joe says:

    HT Joe,

    I’m not trying to besmirch Lucic’s character… he seems like a good guy. I’m just thinking if I were in his shoes and had gone through what he endured, damn straight I’d be extra ornery playing the Oilers

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: Read that Neal training with Roberts this offseason. Can’t hurt.

    although, Lucic is working with a skills coach……

  178. treevojo says:

    godot10,

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Ya it was a bit of sarcasm.

    Cassandra around these days?

  179. defmn says:

    Bobby Margarita
    ‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
    19m19 minutes ago

    I do feel obliged to say this: the Lucic-Neal CGY-EDM trade is one for one. 😜

  180. Andy Dufresne says:

    HT Joe: The Edmonton media and fans have dumped on Lucic for 3 years now… I don’t think he had that situation with LA or Boston… he was loved there.

    The guy is a class act. Hes certainly not gonna hit McDavid with intent to injure. (nor RNH)

    But if I was Neal, Chaisson, or Draisaitl, (or any of the new faces) Id keep my head up when Lucic is on the ice.

  181. Gerta Rauss says:

    treevojo: And gagner

    LoL

  182. PennersPancakes says:

    This is an absolute win. Neal has almost twice as many even strength goals as Lucic over the last 3 years. Im not positive how much time Neal got with McDavid/Drai/Nuge level centers over that time but I know Lucic has gotten A LOT.

    Worse case scenario they buy out the real deal which only comes to 1.9 a year. Hope it never comes to that but holy is that 1000X better than what any potential Lucic buy out.

    If Lucic doesnt have a massive rebound I cant imagine what Calgary has to offer to get Seattle to pluck him instead of a legitimate NHL player from their roster.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    I’m having a premonition that the retained salary and conditional pick being mentioned will sour my initial feelings of bemusement upon hearing the news of the rumour.

    A sense of foreboding, if you will.

    I’m a bit anxious on this as well.

    As long as the pick isn’t a first rounder, I’m fine – I’ll give up a 2nd in 2020 for sure. I can’t imagine Holland giving the flames a first, right?

    Its also supposed to be conditional as well – I have no sense of what that condition might be.

    Anything under $1M and I’m OK.

    So: I require a 2nd rounder or less and less than $1M retained.

  184. ArmchairGM says:

    Side: Why single out Holland though? I mean, you’re an Oilers fan.Your dislike for Holland seems bizarre to me given I don’t seem to recall you being this negative over the years where arguably, not a lot of positives came from the GMs.. lol

    You didn’t notice anything I said about Chiarelli because everyone was saying the same things. So I guess I’m a little jaded, I was expecting Holland to make a few smart moves and a few average moves, but everything he’s done so far has been underwhelming to say the least. I was expecting incremental improvement, but the team is worse now than it was last summer – at least on paper. We will see if Tippett can make a silk purse out of a sows ear, I guess that’s the only hope.

  185. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn:
    Bobby Margarita
    ‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
    19m19 minutes ago

    I do feel obliged to say this: the Lucic-Neal CGY-EDM trade is one for one.

    One for One means JP is still an Oiler
    The question remains “is it straight up?”

  186. Gerta Rauss says:

    treevojo:
    godot10,

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Ya it was a bit of sarcasm.

    Cassandra around these days?

    I got it LoL

  187. ArmchairGM says:

    bwar:
    No matter what happens, getting rid of that NMC is such a huge win for the Oilers.

    Yes, the NMC and the cheaper (at least for the first 3 years) buyout are certainly positives.

  188. treevojo says:

    HT Joe: The Edmonton media and fans have dumped on Lucic for 3 years now… I don’t think he had that situation with LA or Boston… he was loved there.

    So he is going to jump in the stands and punch people all the way up to the press box?

  189. defmn says:

    Andy Dufresne: One for One means JP is still an Oiler
    The question remains “is it straight up?”

    Yup. We’re still waiting.

  190. Side says:

    HT Joe: The Edmonton media and fans have dumped on Lucic for 3 years now… I don’t think he had that situation with LA or Boston… he was loved there.

    I very much doubt Lucic would take out any potential anger he has towards fans and the media on his former teammates who have nothing to do with any of that.

  191. HT Joe says:

    Andy Dufresne: The guy is a class act. Hes certainly not gonna hit McDavid with intent to injure. (nor RNH)

    But if I was Neal, Chaisson, or Draisaitl, (or any of the new faces) Id keep my head up when Lucic is on the ice.

    You are thinking this through more than me… I agree with this

  192. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wierd.

    Cap Friendly is showing Milan Lucic as 31 yrs old right now.

    Did they have some kind of premonition that a trade was coming for a 31 yr old player?

  193. HT Joe says:

    treevojo: So he is going to jump in the stands and punch people all the way up to the press box?

    That would be the greatest hockey clip any of us would ever witness. 🙂

  194. Lightgestalt says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Why should he want to hit/hurt Chiasson and Draisaitl, but not Nuge and McDavid?

  195. Jiminey says:

    Calgary hockey writer Kent Wilson
    Kent Wilson
    @Kent_Wilson

    P.S. Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman told Bob Stauffer he heard the Oilers might be retaining 10 per cent of Lucic’s contract, which would be $600,000 per year. But Friedman said he was not certain this was the final deal.

  196. dunterpunter says:

    Holy Piss.

    I’m in shock, but can Neal wheel on his off wing and be better then Kassian? I’d assume so?

    hahahaha

  197. John Chambers says:

    Do the Flames’ pro scouts know that Lucic is barely a 4th liner?

    Maybe we talk them into Brandon Manning

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