Feels Like Home to Me

Dave Tippett has talked about bringing this team’s road game home, and last night it looked just that way. The Edmonton Oilers played a strong game against the Nashville Predators and won two big points last night at Rogers. Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl led the way, but there were impressive contributions across the roster on the evening.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A defiant Zack Kassian issues his latest salvo against Matthew Tkachuk: ‘He messed with the wrong guy’
  • New Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers Notebook: Jujhar Khaira’s future, Caleb Jones’ adaptation to NHL speed
  • Lowetide:  Oilers prospect pipeline could deliver below-average group in 2020-21
  • Jonathan Willis: Several factors led to Oilers’ Zack Kassian’s inevitable hearing with NHL Player Safety
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian calls Matthew Tkachuk a ‘p****,’ says he’d go after him again despite Oilers’ loss
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Mike Smith stars in Oilers victory, but others’ struggles could prompt changes
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Minnia Feng: Zamboni Ursula: What if Oilers fans could change something in the team’s past?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: ‘That’s the nicest goal I’ve ever seen’: Connor McDavid’s teammates amazed by his latest effort
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers notebook: James Neal’s resurgence, Matt Benning’s injury and the Tyler Benson recall temptation
  • Lowetide: Oilers farmhands are pushing hard for NHL jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS AFTER 48 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 19-24-5, 43 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 25-15-8, 58 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 21-24-3, 45 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 23-22-3, 49 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 25-18-5, 55 points; goal differential -2

The team reaches 25 wins at Game 48, another little plateau that only one other team in the McDavid era has managed. Edmonton is on pace to finish with 94 points on the season. That’s playoff territory.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Current 10 games: 5-2-1 

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2018: 2-4-0, four points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-3-0, six points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2020: 4-1-1, nine points; goal differential +4

A frustrating December is followed by a quality January. Rest, practice, recall of Yamamoto, Nuge scoring, and Mike Smith recovering. Just as we all predicted.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: BUF, BOS, TOR, MTL, CAL (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 3-1-1)
  • At home to: NAS, ARI, CAL, STL (Expected 1-2-1) (1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 3-4-2, eight points in nine games
  • Current results: 4-1-1nine points in six games

This is so impressive, considering the things this team doesn’t have yet. The Arizona game on Saturday looms large, which is incredible. I’m not even sure I like this team! There’s a lot of flaws.

OILERS 2019-20

The Oilers have two impact players, some genuine NHL players and a bunch of guys who are pushing to make it in the NHL, stay in the NHL, or make it to the end of the season in the NHL. How many guys who played last night will be in the NHL after the Seattle expansion? All numbers NST and five on five unless noted.

LINE 1 RNH-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 10:51, going 11-13 Corsi, 7-6 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-2 HDSC.

Nuge continued a recent scoring streak with a fabulous goal off the faceoff. It came during a game where it was clear the two teams were relatively close. A big goal. Leon Draisaitl had an assist five on five (plus two goals in other game states) and was a lion for the Oilers. He almost scored on an early third-period breakaway as well. Any time you’re the best player in a game that includes Connor McDavid you’ve delivered and then some. Kailer Yamamoto didn’t get any points, but was constantly in game moments, moving pucks along, had four takeaways. He’s such a useful player.

LINE 2 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Josh Archibald played 9:22, going 9-9 Corsi, 3-7 shots, 1-1 goals and 3-3 HDSC.

James Neal had a takeaway, took a penalty (on a power play) and didn’t have much of an impact. Connor McDavid had an assist, two HDSC and three points overall. His pass to Sam Gagner in the third should have put it all to rest. Josh Archibald scored the winning goal and had a couple of HDSC. He isn’t a match for McDavid but he played well enough to get another game. He got caught on the Forsberg goal going the wrong way, but it looked like a set play (McDavid was trying to push the puck up the wall) gone bad.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Patrick Russell played 7:55, going 6-7 Corsi, 3-5 shots, 0-0 goals and 3-1 HDSC.

Joakim Nygard had a HDSC, drew a penalty and had a takeaway. His speed is very effective in all areas. Riley Sheahan was part of the miscommunication on the second goal against, but he did try to cover during a disaster of a line change. Patrick Russell missed a month of Sundays and then played exactly the same game as when he left. I love this guy’s work.

LINE 4 Sam Gagner-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 6:42, going 6-9 Corsi, 3-3 shots, no goals and no HDSC.

Sam Gagner had two HDSC’s including a 10-bell chance in the third period. He points a lot in the defensive zone, that might be a newer wrinkle in his game. Gaetan Haas had one shot on goal, not a lot happening. Alex Chiasson was a major player in the Draisaitl PP goal, his net front presence and repeated attempts to score helped create the chaos for the goal.

PAIRING ONE Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 17:28, going 18-19 Corsi, 9-7 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-0 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom’s pass to start the Archibald goal was a thing of beauty. He played huge minutes on the evening, including over three on each special team. Larsson had a tough time with the Nashville speed but recovered well enough to keep the opposition at bay. This tandem, to my eye, is finding their way. If Klefbom’s speed were at 100 percent, this pairing would be music.

PAIRING TWO Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 17:13, going 17-17 Corsi, 7-10 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-3 HDSC.

Darnell Nurse had four shots, three blocked shots and transported the puck effectively. He had some issues in coverage but did not break, and took a strange penalty. His errant pass to nowhere after the PK led directly to the second goal, although he had left the ice when the puck went in. Ethan Bear had two shots and a takeaway, he’s more physical at defending than earlier in the season. His passing remains a strong tool but he seems to be using it less. Need to get back to that passing.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Caleb Jones played 9:40, going 8-10 Corsi, 5-6 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-3 HDSC. That’s a good line for a third pair.

Kris Russell defended well, and had a sequence of legit offensive quality riffing with 97. Caleb Jones is starting to gain some confidence with the puck and is showing his ability.

GOALIE Mike Smith stopped 30 of 32, .938 save percentage. Hockey’s Rasputin is back from death’s door and playing some of his best hockey of the season. Catherine Silverman foretold this in July.

CONDORS 2019-20

Oilers lost last night, Evan Bouchard scored a gorgeous goal and his boxcars are beginning to shine. Corey Pronman has him ranked in his latest article 2019-20 midseason NHL prospects ranking and two other Oilers prospects show well.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we’ll drill down on a satisfying Oilers win last night with Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. Joe Osborne from OddsShark will pop in to talk NFL weekend and Super Bowl odds, plus the strange bets people put down Super Bowl week. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Whoa, VEG fires Gallant and hires Pete DeBoers.

  2. Wolfpack says:

    Just saw that news out of Vegas, I know the VGN have lost four in a row but that seems kind of premature considering the unprecedented success they have had since entering the NHL. From Jack Adams winner in 2018 to fired today… yikes. I can’t imagine Gallant is out of work for long, though we don’t know what we don’t know when it comes to the real reasons behind the decision.

  3. Nit64 says:

    Wolfpack:
    Just saw that news out of Vegas, I know the VGN have lost four in a row but that seems kind of premature considering the unprecedented success they have had since entering the NHL. From Jack Adams winner in 2018 to fired today… yikes. I can’t imagine Gallant is out of work for long, though we don’t know what we don’t know when it comes to the real reasons behind the decision.

    What were the sportsbook odds on that?

    There goes his All Star game gig

  4. leadfarmer says:

    For anyone who thought Zegras and Broberg are in the same range prospects, Pronman ranked Zegras as the best prospect in the NHL. Now I disagree with Pronmans rankings frequently but other than being drafted one after the other one was always a better prospect than the other.
    Le-sigh

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Wolfpack:
    Just saw that news out of Vegas, I know the VGN have lost four in a row but that seems kind of premature considering the unprecedented success they have had since entering the NHL. From Jack Adams winner in 2018 to fired today… yikes. I can’t imagine Gallant is out of work for long, though we don’t know what we don’t know when it comes to the real reasons behind the decision.

    I’ll take what is the difference between 925 and 900 goalering for 800 Alex

  6. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Who saw that coming? Looks like Vegas management thinks they should be running away with the lead in the division. Tough league when you can’t even survive your team going into a bit of a slump.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Kailer Yamamoto didn’t get any points, but was constantly in game moments, moving pucks along, had four takeaways. He’s such a useful player.”

    You see how readily apparent this is. This is the way its supposed to be. It wasn’t this readily apparent with SO MANY previous prospects including but not limited to, Yak, JP and Justin Schultz.

    Proper matriculation to the NHL from the AHL?

  8. frjohnk says:

    Does Doboer also get to coach in the all star game or I wonder if Gallant was fired from that as well.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Forced to stay home waiting for heating technicians…feels like camping so far lol

    Oilers at a 94 point pace and can improve on it methinks.

    Last night it was great not to see “three goal Smith” in goal.

    Overall a good solid win.

  10. Henry says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Goaltending gets coach fired yet again.

  11. BONE207 says:

    I’m not even sure I like this team! There’s a lot of flaws.

    Break out the cognac & the balance photo!!!
    Let’s celebrate the best Oiler team (in January) and start saving for those playoff tickets.
    Nothing fancy about last night’s game but the team seemed to pound away at what they can & not lose the script. Holy hell would a good pickup before the deadline be a boost for this team. C’mon cap space, give us a chance.

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    Is the reason the Oilers play better on the road, in part due to the crappy ice surface at Rogers?

    Man the puck was bouncing and the players were losing edges all over the ice surface right from the opening faceoff.

    Made Sheahan and Chaisson (and others) look off balance on several plays / sequences.

    $400 Million Barn to go with the Pond Ice.

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    Obviously Kelly McCrimmon doesn’t subscribe to LT’s Realistic Expectations (TM).

    From expansion team made of bit parts, projects and guys other teams paid you to take to a franchise that expects to dominate.

    When things like this happen, I wonder if human nature plays a part. Things said that can’t be ignored or unsaid.

    Wasn’t Gallant left by Florida by the side of the road, or had to get a cab?

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 20
    DAL 12
    COL 10

    Pacific
    ARI 8
    VAN 7
    EDM 7

    Wildcard
    WPG 7
    CGY 7

    Out of playoffs
    VGP 5
    NSH 4
    CHI 1
    MIN 0
    SJS -2
    LAK -7
    ANA -7

    The Pacific and Wildcard race is a Cult of Mediocrity…cult of mediocrity, cult of meat-e-ock-ra-teeeeee. *furious power chords*

    Hellebuyck will be the death of my bankroll. Bastard. If they beat EDM for a wildcard spot I’ll spit.

    I don’t know what’s wrong with the Pysankas. Never liked their D much outside of Schmidt and Theodore. Maybe its catching up finally if Fluery isn’t top 10?

    VAN has tie break on EDM and CGY due to one less game played.
    EDM has tie break on CGY due to 21 regulation wins compared to 17.

    Relevant games tonight: None

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    The league wants parity. The owners want you fired.

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 20
    PIT 17
    NYI 15

    Atlantic
    BOS 18
    TBY 14
    TOR 9

    Wildcard
    CAR 10
    FLA 8

    Out of playoffs
    PHI 8
    CBJ 7
    NYR 3
    BUF 2
    MTL 0
    NJD -5
    OTT -6
    DET -20

    FLA has tie break on PHI with due to one less game played.

    Relevant wildcard games tonight:

    PHI (+150) at STL (-170) – Line looks about right. PHI has a lot of trouble winning away from home and STL is good.

  17. godot10 says:

    “He messed with the wrong guy”

    Matt Tkachuk is in his head. Kassian is on tilt. He is likely to do irrational things. Tippett should sit him against the Flames until Zack begins exhibiting some self-discipline, for Kassian’s own protection.

    And well, Tippett doesn’t want to end up as the new #MarcCrawford He is accountable for what happens on the ice.

    If Kassian is on tilt, the team will be on tilt.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    19/20
    EDM Goal Share after 48 games (25-18-5)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 49-44 (53%)
    McDavid Off Ice 46-68 (40%)
    Net EV = -18

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    43-30
    Net ST +14

    Empty Net
    10-10
    Net EN=Even

    SO & PS
    2-2
    SO & PS=Even

    Net Goal Differential = -4

    I counted last night’s 2nd PP goal as EN and not PP.

  19. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909:
    Forced to stay home waiting for heating technicians…feels like camping so far lol

    Oilers at a 94 point pace and can improve on it methinks.

    Last night it was great not to see “three goal Smith” in goal.

    Overall a good solid win.

    Hope you get your heating sorted.

    I’m sure I’m teaching you to suck eggs, but make sure your exhaust is clear of frost and your filter is clean. There are airflow switches that will stop your furnace. (It will ‘cycle’ then quit, and keep trying.)

    My exhaust gets hoar frosted every time the wind comes from the north. Barely touch it, the frost falls off and away the furnace goes.

  20. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Mediocrates is my favourite philosopher.

  21. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Kailer Yamamoto didn’t get any points, but was constantly in game moments, moving pucks along, had four takeaways. He’s such a useful player.”

    You see how readily apparent this is. This is the way its supposed to be. It wasn’t this readily apparent with SO MANY previous prospects including but not limited to, Yak, JP and Justin Schultz.

    Proper matriculation to the NHL from the AHL?

    – If he wasn’t playing with 2 of the 3 best players on the team, he wouldn’t look nearly as good

    – The Oilers are a win from being top in their division, or a win from both the Peg and Vancouver from being out of the playoffs. Many teams in the West have similar scenarios.

    – Who knows what will happen: but this is how Hockey is designed now

    – I think the “flaws” in our team, might be different than flaws on those 6-10 around us, but there are few teams that from top to bottom filled with NHL players, all slotted correctly. Tampa fit the bill last year, based on consensus: and what did that get them?

    – St-Louis seems a lock at the top, based on backwards looking result. Last year at this time, they were the worst team in the League. So much parity = variance, couched in “analysis”

  22. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Matt Tkachuk is in his head. Kassian is on tilt. He is likely to do irrational things. Tippett should sit him against the Flames until Zack begins exhibiting some self-discipline, for Kassian’s own protection.

    Kassian is fine. Try watching Paul Hogan’s Crocodile Dundee and see his reaction to having just been confronted by a bunch of knife wielding NYers for reference.

    PS: If Kassian’s half as much in the opposition’s head as he seems to be in yours we might be onto something.

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    Smith’s glove was 100% in the right place ( High Glove Corner) on the Johansen lacrosse goal. It was as though Smith anticipated the trickery. His glove was in the right spot but unfortuantley the puck bounced off of his glove, dropped down and hit him in the side (ribs) and then into the net.

    Smith handled the puck extremley well by my eye, and obsorbed alot of pucks thereby limiting rebounds….except of course where he was punching at and deflecting pucks away from the crease area, almost karate style. Reminded me a little of a hybrid between Eddie Belfour and one of those tall inflatable tube men at the gas station/car wash.

  24. RumBurgundy says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I thought the same thing last night

  25. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Mediocrates is my favourite philosopher.

    Would that make Lowe+MacT Aristotellians?

  26. Andy Dufresne says:

    ” Patrick Russell missed a month of Sundays and then played exactly the same game as when he left”

    This is a valuable skill for a 13th forward.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Is the reason the Oilers play better on the road, in part due to the crappy ice surface at Rogers?

    Man the puck was bouncing and the players were losing edges all over the ice surface right from the opening faceoff.

    Made Sheahan and Chaisson (and others) look off balance on several plays / sequences.

    $400 Million Barn to go with the Pond Ice.

    Just think! A ready made excuse!

  28. Darth Tu says:

    I’m now on home game penalty kill watch.

    Before the game yesterday the Oilers had a home penalty kill rate of 74.5%. After last night it’s now up to 75.9%, which is still only good enough for 29th in the league.

    Points on this – one thing I noticed yesterday was that the Oilers had only been shorthanded 55 times on home ice (now up to 58 times – albeit with one of the shorthanded events only 20 seconds long). League median for shorthanded events on home ice for all teams is 68. One factor with the shitty PK percentage at home is possibly related to the lower amounts of times on the PK – only Pittsburgh, 57 and Winnipeg 56, have less than the Oilers in this regard. As we saw last night, the percentage can bounce up quite quickly when you have lower events to start with (conversely if we let a goal in on one of those 3 events it’s easier for it to drop).

    For away, the league median is 74. The Oilers are only slightly above this at 78 times short handed. Interesting that they’re apparently called far more often away from home – at first I wondered if this was the case for all teams, turns out its true for 19 teams in the league – refs favoring home crowds? I’ll not get into that).

    For total, the median is 140 times short handed in total. Edmonton’s 136 is not far off that either. To be honest, I get that we’re somewhat fixated with the discrepancy between home and away percentage, but I’m not sure it’s really all that indicative of it actually being “a thing”, especially a thing related to jersey colour. I’d need to do a lot more digging than I’ve already done to try and pair that down. I’m going to live somewhat happily in the knowledge we have the 6th best PK in the league (Calgary are 4th btw). I’ll keep an eye on the home game thing to see what happens and if it corrects itself.

    Quick asides about other teams:
    Vancouver have the biggest difference in calls home/away, with them being shorthanded 35 times more on the road than at home, a whopping 96 events on the road.
    Boston has the biggest difference the other way, 80 times at home, and only 61 events on the road.
    Detroit is the only team who are neutral – 71 home and away events.
    Florida is the least shorthanded team in the league overall, only 118 times in total.
    Biggest thugs are Carolina (those jerks), 165 events.

    median difference home/away events is -8, so league trend is for teams to be called more on the road. Well done Boston for beating that by some margin.

    I’ve taken all this info from ESPN’s stat pages.

  29. tileguy says:

    Darnell still making some head scratching plays with the puck on his stick, in both zones! I so want to see the Oil in the playoffs this year and experience heavy hockey with the likes of Nurse, Larson, Chase, Neil, ect, as next years contract negotiations with Nurse are going to be tough. (Zaks too)

  30. Jethro Tull says:

    Not sure you’re right about Yamamoto. If he was putting up a bunch of points, maybe.

    I didn’t want him as first call up, but he’s playing very well as that forechecker role. He’s tenacious. I was wrong he’s given the team a facet they were missing.

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    “This is so impressive, considering the things this team doesn’t have yet. The Arizona game on Saturday looms large, which is incredible. I’m not even sure I like this team! There’s a lot of flaws.”

    Great stuff LT. This is the frustrating part for me. The team is so so close. With McDavid and Drai, all things are possible. Yama has shown us the impact one player can have on a line. Imagine if McDavid was playing with even one top six forward. If Holland gets just two forwards, every line on the team is that much better.

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    Tyler Benson will replace Sam Gagner….And That Right Soon.

  33. knighttown says:

    For those of us who put stock in prospect list, Corey Pronmans list could not have been much worse news.

    Of the 24 players drafted in the top 12 of the past two drafts here’s how it goes:

    1. Zegras
    4. Caulfield
    22. Bouchard
    23. Kravtsov
    24. Broberg

    which assumes all NHL guys (Hughes, Hughes etc) are in there.

    Pretty remarkable that at least one expert says Edmonton has made the worst and 3rd worst picks.

    This is on the heels of Wheeler excluding any Oiler from his top-50 outside the NHL list.

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oscar Klefbom has reached another level. He is now carrying the top pairing.and is taking his place in the leaderhip of this young team. How soon before he’s wearing a letter?

  35. Nit64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pacific
    ARI 8
    VAN 7
    EDM 7

    Wildcard
    WPG 7
    CGY 7

    Out of playoffs
    VGP 5
    NSH 4
    CHI 1
    MIN 0
    SJS -2
    LAK -7
    ANA -7

    Everything is coming up natural today.

    +7 All Western Canadian Teams.

    -7 Both Southern California Teams (ex-Oilers coaches say hi)

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Hockey’s Rasputin is back from death’s door ”

    HA! Awesome.

  37. tileguy says:

    Good lord that was funny, you painted a perfect picture in my head.

  38. Bag of Pucks says:

    Great. Now VGK is going to get the dead cat bounce.

    Gallant available. Jeff Blashill starts quietly updating his resume.

    I guess that’s why they call it the Coaching Carousel.

  39. Andy Dufresne says:

    Whoa is right.

    VEG underperforms for a month or two and the Coach gets fired?

    Strange things happen in the desert.

  40. Nit64 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Great. Now VGK is going to get the dead cat bounce.

    More like the sleeping tiger bounce.

  41. Bag of Pucks says:

    Yup. He’s come a long way and is really playing well.

    Seems like only yesterday since OP was lusting after Oscar’s 17 year old abs. ?

  42. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Not sure you’re right about Yamamoto. If he was putting up a bunch of points, maybe.

    I didn’t want him as first call up, but he’s playing very well as that forechecker role. He’s tenacious. I was wrong he’s given the team a facet they were missing.

    – Well we will never know. I think his current 59 point pace, is a result of paying with elite players

    – I think if he was on a grinding line with others who don’t have elite skills, the fore-checking, perception of doing positive stuff would be largely over-looked, and he’d be 1 assist in 7 games type meh guy, rather than 5 points in 7 games, who does lots of good stuff

    – Don’t get me wrong, delighted with his performance: they set him up nicely, and he’s doing well

    – Better then old school: “you need to earn your minutes and play with plugs on 4rth line” Then: “what’s wrong, you can’t score playing 8 minutes with has-beens and never-beens, you suck”

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    He’s definitley the Rodney Dangerfield of NHL coaches….but even Dangerfield lasted longer as a headliner in Vegas.

  44. Darth Tu says:

    Another note – The Oilers are still the worst in terms of percentage difference between they’re home and away PK – 12.6% in favour of the away results.

    In bizarre fashion, Buffalo are exactly 12.6% better at home than away – 68.9% PK for them on the road, yikes. That’s not even the worst road PK though, Nashville take that honour at 68.3%.

  45. Andy Dufresne says:

    “I don’t know what’s wrong with the Pysankas.”

    Cautionary Tale?

    They messed with the chemistry of a Stanley Cup contender.

    They added Patches and Stone…..and got worse……

    Two words…. David Perron

    OK four words… David Perron, Eric Haula

    OK seven words…David Perron, Eric Haula, Pierre Edouard Bellemare

    OK nine words…. etc

    * 16 players that were there in the opening season are no longer there.

  46. RumBurgundy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Mediocrates is my favourite philosopher.

    I believe Mediocrates was influenced by Darylaeus

  47. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    If the team keeps playing like this, it’s gonna be impossible for Holland not to add something at the deadline. Sometimes the GM owes it to the room to go out and get some help.

    Also, Benson should definitely be here after ASG/Bye week. At the very least, he should be getting a look at some point here. I like P. Russel and J. Khaira fine, but are these two guys that Benson can’t leapfrog over right now? Only way to know is to give him an opportunity.

  48. PennersPancakes says:

    knighttown: For those of us who put stock in prospect list, Corey Pronmans list could not have been much worse news.

    If you want to worry, worry. At the end of the day its one analyst comparing 18-20 year olds playing different positions in different leagues. With Pronman the only thing I personally consider is the tiers, how does one really differentiate between a prospect whos 8th and 9th? Even then a huge grain of salt.

    For example he ranks Wahlstrom 20th and Bouchard 22nd. Even looking at pure box cars Whalstrom (right wing) has 10 points in 23 games where as Bouchard (defenseman) has 23 points in 36 games. Both players are supposed to be offensive minded/talented.

    Taking this as anything more than an interesting read is going to have you stress for no reason.

  49. dustrock says:

    The ice is embarrassing at Rexall for sure, and we don’t have living in Florida as an excuse.

    Really surprised by how well Yamamoto draws penalties, he really has been Yamamotor.

    LT on Bear’s passing I’m not convinced it’s so much him as the forwards.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    knighttown:
    For those of us who put stock in prospect list, Corey Pronmans list could not have been much worse news.

    Of the 24 players drafted in the top 12 of the past two drafts here’s how it goes:

    1. Zegras
    4. Caulfield
    22. Bouchard
    23. Kravtsov
    24. Broberg

    which assumes all NHL guys (Hughes, Hughes etc) are in there.

    Pretty remarkable that at least one expert says Edmonton has made the worst and 3rd worst picks.

    This is on the heels of Wheeler excluding any Oiler from his top-50 outside the NHL list.

    Call me a fool, but how about we see Broberg playing in the NHL first before destroying his cred without substance anymore than some hack allegedly NHL “expert” with one eye on his getting the axe at ESPN or wherever the fuck he works.

  51. LMHF#1 says:

    Went looking to see if there are any toughs in the organization these days…completely lacking.

    I never minded having a rando sitting in the AHL/ECHL you could call up for a game.

    Steve MacIntyre appears to be in something called the FPHL if anyone was randomly wondering http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0086852020.html

    James Neal gets it – I’d wager he’ll get someone good in the next Calgary game. He’s got that in him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr1UytS_BqM

  52. dustrock says:

    Ah, the Full Probert Hockey League. Good times.

  53. AJP says:

    I think you mean Button’s top-50 outside the NHL list? That’s kind of run of the mill for Button, i.e. excluding Oiler draft picks, from what I’ve heard.

    Who was the expert that said we made the worst and 3rd worst pick? Just curious, as I haven’t heard anything about that.

  54. dustrock says:

    That’s a bit harsh on Pronman, who takes a lot of time to explain his criteria and who admits when he has been wrong.

    He had Broberg ranked very high but dropped him after what has been a pretty vanilla pro season and WJHC. He still calls him a very good prospect.

    Bouchard he kept ranked around where he had him before. Bouchard isn’t in the NHL right now. If he doesn’t make it next season, I think alarm bells have to start going off.

    I don’t think anybody should be surprised that scouts find our prospects less than appealing.

  55. Andy Dufresne says:

    You’re on tilt.

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nice!

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    HAA HAAA! Sweet.

    Now THAT’s a KNOIF Gaudeau !

    Put another shrimp on the barbi mate.

  58. pts2pndr says:

    Early days grasshopper and you are comparing apples and oranges. Zegras is a very good passer. A good comparison would be Adam Oates. Broberg is a
    plus skating young D with size. Trusted to play his off side in the World Juniors as a shut down D. One of the youngest D to do so. Coach in Sweden gives him rave reviews and rates him as one of the best young D to come out of Sweden.

  59. Henry says:

    Mediocrates is my demon.

  60. Justenvogt says:

    I had the same reaction. Funny though, in the article he mentions Zegras as a comparison for Mittelstadt and that he has avg speed and size. Zegras may be the one that got away but after reading the write up I feel better about the Broberg pick than before. Especially considering how some of the top end fwds available have fallen off Caufield, Krubs etc. If you apply the 5 yr rule here there is still a good chance Broberg passes the field due to his skating and size.

  61. PennersPancakes says:

    I think Bouchard will play NHL games next season but if you put stock in this list and think prospects should be draft+3 in the NHL how do you feel about the players drafted in the first two rounds in 2017?:

    Owen Tippet, Morgan Frost (played some, sent down though), Josh Norris, Alex Formenton, Jack Studnicka, Eeli Tolvanen, Ian Mitchell. Dylan Samberg, Jason Robertson,

    For reference only Ian Mitchell and Dylan Samberg play defense which typically requires more development than forwards.

  62. LMHF#1 says:

    Also wanted to note – enjoying that hockey teams are finally catching up to the rest of the sports world and realizing that sitting there with a coach who isn’t performing up to standard is a waste of time.

    Watching teams, specifically the Oilers, the hockey media, and even the fans acting like coaches should be given 8 million yards of rope has been incredibly frustrating.

  63. Andy Dufresne says:

    lol…. gosh…well….i dunno….i mean…painted…artist?…humble brag…cough cough….i mean…

    haha… tanks TG.

  64. Side says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Is the reason the Oilers play better on the road, in part due to the crappy ice surface at Rogers?

    Man the puck was bouncing and the players were losing edges all over the ice surface right from the opening faceoff.

    Made Sheahan and Chaisson (and others) look off balance on several plays / sequences.

    $400 Million Barn to go with the Pond Ice.

    Is bad ice in Rogers place still a thing? I thought they had improved the quality of it

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/jones-rogers-place-ice-crew-climb-to-no-2-in-nhl-in-two-years

  65. pts2pndr says:

    I’m surprised it wasn’t one of yours. Kudos to you both.?

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    HAAA!

  67. Oilpower says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    If you flipped Florida and Columbus would that not be the same top 8 teams in the east as it was for last year’s playoffs. So much for parity!

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    Like LT, Both Pronman and Button have a style that is considerably different than consensus style lists like Mackenzie’s

    What can we learn from the way our picks deviate from the LT, Pronman, Button style?

    One thing I think is we (the Oilers) dont seem to value box cars, smaller defensemen, or non top 5 forwards as much as these guys do.

    Why? Im not sure.

    Its as if, already owning McDavid and Draisaitl, their goal is to draft a team full of Colton Parayko’s and Ryan O’Rielly’s.

  69. PennersPancakes says:

    LMHF#1:
    Also wanted to note – enjoying that hockey teams are finally catching up to the rest of the sports world and realizing that sitting there with a coach who isn’t performing up to standard is a waste of time.

    Watching teams, specifically the Oilers, the hockey media, and even the fans acting like coaches should be given 8 million yards of rope has been incredibly frustrating.

    Hockey is also the sport with the least amount of set plays and most luck of the big four. Tough to gauge when a coach isnt performing up to standard.

    My biggest gripe with NHL coaching is the fact its such a closed pool with apparently only ~35 acceptable applicants any given year. Old boys club for sure.

  70. dustrock says:

    Oh, I agree. Guys like Tippett and Frost should be lower for sure.

    And I also would rank top-pairing d-men as being (1) more important and (2) taking longer to develop.

  71. Andy Dufresne says:

    and Procrastinateas

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    +1

    No harm in posting it…..but like you say…nothing worth worring over.

  73. Andy Dufresne says:

    Yamo is like a sponge out there. Taking advice from Coaches and Players all over the place.

    Unlike some previous high end picks of ours.

    Its a really good sign. Attitude and maturity are really important.

  74. Litke 94 says:

    I was wondering if could answer a quick question I had on how odds work. I seen you explain that if a team is (-110), that would mean you would need to bet $110 to make $100 (on top of the original $110 investment).

    I just want to confirm that if a team was say, (-220), this would mean that a person would need to bet $220 to make $100. Is that accurate?

  75. Andy Dufresne says:

    “James Neal gets it – I’d wager he’ll get someone good in the next Calgary game. He’s got that in him.”

    Agreed….He’s got a little Corey Perry in him…..just a little though.

  76. Andy Dufresne says:

    Agreed. But last night it looked not good.

  77. Andy Dufresne says:

    Where does he have Moritz Sieder ranked?

  78. knighttown says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I also wonder this. So many bouncing pucks.

  79. cowboy bill says:

    Yup , Oilers should definitely see what they have in Benson soon , establish what they need and make that trade sooner , rather than later . Why wait for the trade deadline ? Get the wagon rolling .

    Benson comes up , someone goes down and hopefully they clear some more cap space in the process .

  80. PennersPancakes says:

    That is part of the reason I was reasonable happy with Broberg being picked last year. With defense looking solid now, and Bouchard and Broberg needing time to develop the pipeline is SOLID for the next 3-4 years.

    Oilers can draft forward heavy now and with their typically shorter development time should arrive in decent order. If you focus on defense a year or two before you need it youll be in trouble where as I feel you can get away with that concerning forwards.

  81. AJP says:

    This didn’t answer my question at all.

  82. knighttown says:

    AJP,

    Yes Button not Wheeler. That’s my bad.

    And this new list is Corey Pronman who I really respect. The guy puts in a ton of work and most importantly reviews his misses to try and improve.

  83. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    That is very bad form on part of the organization. Could have been done after AS game to the same effect.

    This is twice he has been terminated “poorly”.

    Sheesh.

  84. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    No kidding. Fleury gets in a rut for a week or so and they fire the coach.

  85. Ribs says:

    He’s okay.

  86. geowal says:

    Hunter I can confirm Jethro’s advice, check your furnace exhaust. If you have a modernish furnace it should be pointed straight out of the house. If it’s frosted over it will trip pressure switches.
    Just reposting in case you didn’t see and don’t know this already.

  87. cowboy bill says:

    I don’t want to carry on beating a dead horse . But something I noticed was that , Turtlechuk wears a letter on his jersey . That to me is astonishing .
    What is a guy like that doing wearing an A on his sweater ? He must be part of their leadership group .

    Then they feel it necessary to trade for Lucic to defend him . The flames truly are a joke .

  88. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The player going down will probably be Gagner. Outside of the waiver claim exempt options, he is not likely to get plucked, whereas some team could consider claiming Russell or JJ off waivers….

  89. geowal says:

    Ron Francis, you know what to do.

  90. Durag says:

    I mean, Vegas won as many playoff series in their first 2 years of existence as Edmonton has in the past 14 seasons but ok.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was such a big win last night – against a team we are fighting with for a playoff spot in the first game back after a long roadie.

    Why are the Oilers 5-1-1 in their last 7?

    – McDavid is McDavid and has been playing solid 200 foot hockey
    – the resurgence of Ryan Nugent Hopkins to being Ryan Nugent Hopkins – his year pace is 25G and over 60 points, all of a sudden
    – Dria is back to October Drai and playing away from McDavid on a line with talent (even or plus in all games since the split)
    – Klef is back to being a beast – over 28 minutes last night, led the team in all three disciplines, great outlet passes including a phenomenal back 100 foot stretch pass to 97 for a goal – playing this way consistently
    – Nurse settling in as a 2LD – mistakes are made but generally a very good player in that role
    – 3rd pairing only seeing around 8 or so minutes of 5 on 5 ice per game
    – depth scoring pitching in consistently
    – Yamamoto providing a top 6 winger and some balance to the top 6
    – Mike Smith returning to solid form.

  92. SudburyOil says:

    Or Boysontheboethius

  93. doritogrande says:

    Ah, a Tambellini reference. Kudos.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Henry:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Goaltending gets coach fired yet again.

    Yup, their future HOF but 35 year old tender goes .905 and the coach is fired!

  95. New Improved Darkness says:

    In pictures: 2019’s WTA coaching carousel — 5 November 2019

    The world these days. Perhaps they are all changing their coaches like yesterday’s outfits in order to garner more juice to their Twitter feeds. Is all this churn driven by athletics, commodification of acumen, the curse of familiarity, or some new fiesta of millennial brand management?

    Unfortunately, a working synonym for “carousel” is small sample size: far too much to commit to memory, far too little to input into your TI-84 graphing statistical calculator.

  96. duct tape and foil says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    You’re on the tilt.

    No kidding. I rag on players too, but not when they are having a career year, their teammates clearly and vocally value them, and most of the media that matters backs the player.

    Look at the team game EDM played last night and the team game CGY played against Montreal. That tells me who walked out of the last BOA better off. CGY may have won the battle but they are in very real danger of losing the war since nobody wants a player like Tkachuk as a teammate. His performance destroyed team spirit. Will get worse for them at allstar game when Tkachuk (and the by extension the flames) feel the scorn from their fellow professionals all week. Door knob CGY fans may be happy but this is the kind of thing that rots a team’s morale and I guarantee nobody who steps on the ice for the flamers is proud to call Tkachuk a teammate.

  97. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, their future HOF but 35 year old tender goes .905 and the coach is fired!

    It’s strange to me that VEGREVILLE can be on top of so many important categories, be absolutely terrible at PDO, we all see it, why can’t McCrimmon see it?

    How many coaches have been fired because of terrible goalies?

    It seems so obvious that I wonder if there’s something else besides this. The players seemed to love him, he won the Adams, took a bunch of cast-offs to the Finals.

  98. duct tape and foil says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    +1

    No harm in posting it…..but like you say…nothing worth worring over.

    Button results over the years look more like a random number generator than the oracle of delphi. He likes pushing buttons in EDM as it gets him noticed. Going from raving over Broberg to ignoring him in the space of 6 months is all you need to know.

  99. Reja says:

    duct tape and foil: No kidding. I rag on players too, but not when they are having a career year, their teammates clearly and vocally value them, and most of the media that matters backs the player.

    Look at the team game EDM played last night and the team game CGY played against Montreal. That tells me who walked out of the last BOA better off. CGY may have won the battle but they are in very real danger of losing the war since nobody wants a player like Tkachuk as a teammate. His performance destroyed team spirit. Will get worse for them at allstar game when Tkachuk (and the by extension the flames) feel the scorn from their fellow professionals all week. Door knob CGY fans may be happy but this is the kind of thing that rots a team’s morale and I guarantee nobody who steps on the ice for the flamers is proud to call Tkachuk a teammate.

    This is why I predict that Tkachuk fights at least once in the back to backs to try and redeem himself around the league and his teammates. I just don’t think it’ll be against Kass but who else fights on the Oilers besides Nurse and you know he doesn’t want to tangle with him. If he turtles once or twice in the back to backs he’ll become the laughing stock in the league and he knows it.

  100. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That was such a big win last night – against a team we are fighting with for a playoff spot in the first game back after a long roadie.

    Why are the Oilers 5-1-1 in their last 7?

    – McDavid is McDavid and has been playing solid 200 foot hockey
    – the resurgence of Ryan Nugent Hopkins to being Ryan Nugent Hopkins – his year pace is 25G and over 60 points, all of a sudden
    – Dria is back to October Drai and playing away from McDavid on a line with talent (even or plus in all games since the split)
    – Klef is back to being a beast – over 28 minutes last night, led the team in all three disciplines, great outlet passes including a phenomenal back 100 foot stretch pass to 97 for a goal – playing this way consistently
    – Nurse settling in as a 2LD – mistakes are made but generally a very good player in that role
    – 3rd pairing only seeing around 8 or so minutes of 5 on 5 ice per game
    – depth scoring pitching in consistently
    – Yamamoto providing a top 6 winger and some balance to the top 6
    – Mike Smith returning to solid form.

    Number 1 for me is Smith battling out wins in some tough barns wish he would have started in cow-town. As we just seen below average goaltending can make the whole team look like horses manure.

  101. Harpers Hair says:

    Guarantee?

    #Flames captain Mark Giordano on Battle of Alberta banter: “We’re playing Toronto tomorrow … But obviously Chucky is one of our top players and we have his back. He’s our teammate. And whatever presents itself, presents itself in that game, but that’s a long way away.”

  102. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I don’t wholly disagree with your assessment of #turtlegate but why do you insist on asking things of ZK which we all know he’s incapable of? He is who he is, best to deploy him in a manner befitting of his skills.

  103. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Forsberg scored that goal.

  104. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Plus he can PK well, and will come cheap! I’d consider bringing him back for another year or two at $1M if he’d resign.

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    An Oiler fan on twitter started a great idea.

    Instead of buying a billboard in Calgary, she’s challenged Oiler fans to help poor kids in Calgary get some food so they grow up stronger than Matthew Tkachuk (her words, so awesome)

    Here’s here tweet: https://twitter.com/SamInYEG/status/1217170784000626696

    Here’s the charity: https://bb4ck.org/

    Make sure you pick to dedicate your donation “In honor of” and type “Zack Kassian”

    I challenge everyone here to donate what they can.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – If he wasn’t playing with 2 of the 3 best players on the team, he wouldn’t look nearly as good

    On the comment above, sure, fair enough, but isn’t that the case for most players in the top 6 of their teams?

    As an aside:

    – Nuge and Drai without Kailer: 4GF / 3GA
    – Nuge and Drai with Kailer: 6GF / 1GA

    Yamamoto is a rookie – he’s played some games in the NHL as a teenager (a mistake) but, now, he’s a pro and has earned himself an NHL job. At 21 years of age, he is playing 2RW on middle of the pack hockey team and has helped the line and helped create overall balance in the lineup – this is due to his skillset and the way he is playing.

    We can’t say he’s a “legit top 6 player” – not at this time. What he is showing is that he can be a secondary player in the top 6 when placed with “better players”.

    As a rookie, he is likely best suited as a “middle six player” with the ability to move in to the top 6 and do, well, what he is currently doing.

    Considering he is 21 and developing, pretty solid start to his NHL career and he will most likely improve over the next few years.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    An Oiler fan on twitter started a great idea.

    Instead of buying a billboard in Calgary, she’s challenged Oiler fans to help poor kids in Calgary get some food so they grow up stronger than Matthew Tkachuk (her words, so awesome)

    Here’s here tweet: https://twitter.com/SamInYEG/status/1217170784000626696

    Here’s the charity: https://bb4ck.org/

    Make sure you pick to dedicate your donation “In honor of” and type “Zack Kassian”

    I challenge everyone here to donate what they can.

    Oiler fans have donated ~$5700 already in just under a day, let’s help get it to $10K

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Plus he can PK well, and will come cheap!I’d consider bringing him back for another year or two at $1M if he’d resign.

    I would think he would re-sign for the exact same $700K he’s currently at – in particular if the organization gives him a one-way contract so he’d make that cash even if in the AHL – he’s currently on another 2-way deal.

  109. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    KY was never drafted to play bottom-6. Ergo, he was always going to play with high end players. That he contributes to skill players finishing is not a negative to be overlooked as a deficit on his behalf. His skill set is suited to the top six. Either he produces there, or washes out of the league.

  110. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Oiler fans have donated ~$5700 already in just under a day, let’s help get it to $10K

    Great idea, just donated.

  111. JimmyV1965 says:

    duct tape and foil: No kidding. I rag on players too, but not when they are having a career year, their teammates clearly and vocally value them, and most of the media that matters backs the player.

    Look at the team game EDM played last night and the team game CGY played against Montreal. That tells me who walked out of the last BOA better off. CGY may have won the battle but they are in very real danger of losing the war since nobody wants a player like Tkachuk as a teammate. His performance destroyed team spirit. Will get worse for them at allstar game when Tkachuk (and the by extension the flames) feel the scorn from their fellow professionals all week. Door knob CGY fans may be happy but this is the kind of thing that rots a team’s morale and I guarantee nobody who steps on the ice for the flamers is proud to call Tkachuk a teammate.

    Have we ever heard from any teammate of Tkachuk call him out at any level? He may be hated in Edmonton, but there’s no reason to say his teammates don’t like him. Even if they don’t like some of the things he does.

  112. PennersPancakes says:

    Even if the players feel otherwise this is the only answer they can publicly say without causing mayhem and imploding the organization.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Yup. He’s come a long way and is really playing well.

    Seems like only yesterday since OP was lusting after Oscar’s 17 year old abs.

    Now Klef lusts after my 43 year old abs!

  114. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: It’s strange to me that VEGREVILLE can be on top of so many important categories, be absolutely terrible at PDO, we all see it, why can’t McCrimmon see it?

    How many coaches have been fired because of terrible goalies?

    It seems so obvious that I wonder if there’s something else besides this.The players seemed to love him, he won the Adams, took abunch of cast-offs to the Finals.

    Woodley was on SeriusXM this morning and said the expected goals against for Vegas was bottom 10 in the league, that the team’s defence has regressed.

  115. PennersPancakes says:

    JimmyV1965: Have we ever heard from any teammate of Tkachuk call him out at any level? He may be hated in Edmonton, but there’s no reason to say his teammates don’t like him. Even if they don’t like some of the things he does.

    Look at any non traditional hockey interview, or any interview with one iota of spice. The media RUNS with it. There is no way a Flames teammate would publicly shame Tkachuk even if they do feel what he did was wrong/disgusting. This isnt trying to say they do feel one way or another but its foolish to say just because theres no public comments means all the players on the Flames team loves it.

    Have to imagine some of the finesse guys (aka Cheese and Ham) are a little more concerned with a way more physical game coming their way getting caught in the crossfire.

  116. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    So much the better. My angle was mostly that he could be sent down with no cap penalty.

  117. slopitch says:

    A group of oilers fans needs to buy seats behind the flames bench, rent some ninja turtle costumes and modify them to be tkachuk/flames themed. Would be hilarious.

    Bummer that Deboer is returning to our div. Great coach.

    Great win for the Oilers. Free Benson!

    Also bad early returns on the drafts re the Pronman rankings. Still lots of story to be written but a bad trend… Im not that worried about Bouchard or Broberg but it would sure be nice if one of them turned impact.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    KY was never drafted to play bottom-6.Ergo, he was always going to play with high end players.That he contributes to skill players finishing is not a negative to be overlooked as a deficit on his behalf.His skill set is suited to the top six.Either he produces there, or washes out of the league.

    I’m not sure this is quite true – in fact, this nice streak with Nuge and Drai notwithstanding, from my viewings of him in the AHL over the last two seasons (the positions he has played), I’ve changed my thoughts a bit on what Kailer “might become” from top 6 to middle 6.

    While Kailer is able to create positive offensive plays and scoring chances, at the NHL level, he seems to not be a great “finisher”. His speed and skill is creating balance in the Oilers top 6 but, at the end of the day, he may be better suited to middle 6/energy type role where his quickness and tenacity continue to be material and he is a solid PK guy (and maybe PP2 guy).

    Time will tell and part of it will be how the Oilers skilled winger depth look in a couple of years.

  119. Bulging Twine says:

    slopitch:
    A group of oilers fans needs to buy seats behind the flames bench, rent some ninja turtle costumes and modify them to be tkachuk/flames themed. Would be hilarious.

    Bummer that Deboer is returning to our div. Great coach.

    That would be a good idea.

    Ya, I think Deboer is a good coach as well. Dang

  120. Reja says:

    PennersPancakes: Look at any non traditional hockey interview, or any interview with one iota of spice. The media RUNS with it. There is no way a Flames teammate would publicly shame Tkachuk even if they do feel what he did was wrong/disgusting. This isnt trying to say they do feel one way or another but its foolish to say just because theres no public comments means all the players on the Flames team loves it.

    Have to imagine some of the finesse guys (aka Cheese and Ham) are a little more concerned with a way more physical game coming their way getting caught in the crossfire.

    Teams take on identities no team wants to be identified as a bunch of cry babies are Turtlers other teams will pounce on this. The NHL can be a dog it dog league if they find a glaring weakness in a team.

  121. Bulging Twine says:

    What did Catherine Silverman say in July about Smith?

  122. JimmyV1965 says:

    PennersPancakes: Look at any non traditional hockey interview, or any interview with one iota of spice. The media RUNS with it. There is no way a Flames teammate would publicly shame Tkachuk even if they do feel what he did was wrong/disgusting. This isnt trying to say they do feel one way or another but its foolish to say just because theres no public comments means all the players on the Flames team loves it.

    Have to imagine some of the finesse guys (aka Cheese and Ham) are a little more concerned with a way more physical game coming their way getting caught in the crossfire.

    In a vacuum if information, I don’t think you can assume his teammates don’t like him. Even if he’s an asshat on the ice, he might be great in the room. Plus his skill makes up for a lot of the asshat stuff. I haven’t even heard a teammate say something like we love this guy, but we will talk to him.

  123. Bulging Twine says:

    Hey, so Kassian said that he received about 20 supportive texts after the Flames game. Some of them were from people who WORK FOR OTHER TEAMS. He’s a pending UFA. Could this perhaps be tampering?

    From Assistant GM with cap space and a lack of toughness who play against Tom Wilson, maybe;

    “Hey Zack, I loved how you stood up for yourselves after those predatory hits from that punk. Also loved what you said after the game. You’re my type of player. Would love to have you on my team.”

  124. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    KY was never drafted to play bottom-6.Ergo, he was always going to play with high end players.That he contributes to skill players finishing is not a negative to be overlooked as a deficit on his behalf.His skill set is suited to the top six.Either he produces there, or washes out of the league.

    – I totally agree. And I applaud the team for playing him as such

    – For as long as this blog has been around, we would bring up talented players up non Steve Austin division or Drai and McD: put those young players with plugs and losers with no offence ability, and then flush them out, because they weren’t producing in roles that they were ill-suited to play.

    – So Kailer is producing points playing with skill: good for him, keep it going

    – Because if he can’t produce with skill, he’s not long in the league long as you say. As soon as he’s a winger full-time on a line that doesn’t have at least one of CmD, Drai or RNH: the end is nigh’, and thats fine. Maybe we will get even more talented players from draft and develop. But contributor on skill line: That’s who he is best case scenario.

    – That by eye he seems a fore-checking demon is great story, but he needs to put up points

    – If he gets the Yak or Pool treatment ie: teach-them-lessons-on-how to-be-a-grinder-first-because-you-make-mistakes-then-you-earn your-minutes-with-skill-young-man-but-really-you-don’t-play-oiler-way: he’s done.

  125. pts2pndr says:

    Apparently it was the ice at the concession stands and bar

  126. PennersPancakes says:

    Yeah I havent either but Im just saying. Public comments from his teammates are likely not a good barometer of what theyre actually feeling. Everything is hearsay and hunches but you are right that no negative comments have come out yet. Im just saying that doesnt mean much since they likely never would.

    Any discussions would be internal.

  127. Bulging Twine says:

    Gagner looks very pedestrian at times. I think his lack of acceleration would really be exposed in the playoffs. Especially in a series in the conference finals against Colorado. Dare to dream!

  128. Darth Tu says:

    With the Vegas firing, I thought I’d look at their PK numbers too. They’re one of the teams shorthanded more at home than away, 82 Home, 74 away. They’re rocking the penalties too – a total of 156 events, so not far off Carolina.

    PK percentage they have a record of 76.8% at home, and 81.1% away – similar (but not as dramatically skewed) to the Oilers.

    I still can’t get over how bad the Nashville PK numbers actually are. With a team known for responsible hockey, how does it get this bad?

  129. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure this is quite true – in fact, this nice streak with Nuge and Drai notwithstanding, from my viewings of him in the AHL over the last two seasons (the positions he has played), I’ve changed my thoughts a bit on what Kailer “might become” from top 6 to middle 6.

    While Kailer is able to create positive offensive plays and scoring chances, at the NHL level, he seems to not be a great “finisher”. His speed and skill is creating balance in the Oilers top 6 but, at the end of the day, he may be better suited to middle 6/energy type role where his quickness and tenacity continue to be material and he is a solid PK guy (and maybe PP2 guy).

    Time will tell and part of it will be how the Oilers skilled winger depth look in a couple of years.

    Holland just signed his 5 year contract but he needs to take his thumb out of his ass and get a 3C and a top 6 winger. Is Benson the answer kinda hard to tell when he’s 1100 fricking miles away making shit money. I say Benson is skilled enough to produce and a 3C won’t cost assets that we can’t afford to lose This team is close it would be a real shame not to see playoff Leon and Connor in the dance.

  130. Bulging Twine says:

    It’ll be 17 days between games for Kassian. Rusty and rested.

  131. pts2pndr says:

    You forgot officiating which in my opinion is inconsistent at best to bush league level.

  132. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Reja: . I say Benson is skilled enough to produce and a 3C won’t cost assets that we can’t afford to lose

    – This goes back to what I said before, re: Kailer: If you plug Benson into 3C (or anyone for that matter), how do you expect them to produce without skill? If 2 of three of CmD, Drai and Nuge have to always play together, what are you going to do? Who are Benson’s wingers?

    – That’s why I still think its the Big 3 C route. Be like:

    Neal-McD-Kass
    X-Drai-Kailer
    Benson-RNH-Y

    – X and Y: that’s up to scouting, trading and/or draft and develop (or Pool). It’s not far off

    – And we basically are playoffs: all the teams around us are in same boat. We will win some lose some, and so will everyone around us, and likely outcome is playoffs, because that’s how it works. All teams have issues, and don’t have only nice things.

  133. PennersPancakes says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Who are Benson’s wingers?

    Benson is a winger.

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “I don’t know what’s wrong with the Pysankas.”

    Cautionary Tale?

    They messed with the chemistry of a Stanley Cup contender.

    They added Patches and Stone…..and got worse……

    Two words…. David Perron

    OK four words… David Perron, Eric Haula

    OK seven words…David Perron, Eric Haula, Pierre Edouard Bellemare

    OK nine words…. etc

    * 16 players that were there in the opening season are no longer there.

    VGP’s biggest issue is getting saves. Wingers can contribute a bit to that, but not *that* much. D and C do a lot there.

    Same coach, same systems…..

    Goailes.

  135. tcho says:

    This is so great. Done.

  136. Gerta Rauss says:

    Yes

    Although you don’t necessarily HAVE to bet $220

    I’m on bet365 and the minimum bet is $10

    If you bet less/more than $220 (in your example) you have to do the math to calculate your return ie: a $22 wager would return $32 ($10 profit and your original $22 wager)

  137. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Litke 94:
    I was wondering if could answer a quick question I had on how odds work. I seen you explain that if a team is (-110), that would mean you would need to bet $110 to make $100 (on top of the original $110 investment).

    I just want to confirm that if a team was say, (-220), this would mean that a person would need to bet $220 to make $100. Is that accurate?

    Yeah, you have it right.

    Here’s a good primer on how to calculate what those odds actually mean in terms of what your break even point is.

    https://www.bettingpros.com/articles/break-even-win-for-sports-betting/

    Once you have this figured (its easy and eventually you can do it in your head) you can look at lines and figure if its profitable.

    The link has a nice table for what the American Line (+100 etc) means in terms of how often the bet has to win to make it profitable.

    From the piece I linked to:


    Here are a few examples of how you can use this:

    If you see Team A with a line of +140 and you believe they’ll win 45% of the time, then that’s a wager you should make. With odds of +140, the break-even win percentage is just 40.8%.

    If you believe Team B is going to win 60.0% of the time and the line is -160, then you have a wager you should avoid. Despite your confidence in this team, if they actually only win that game 60.0% of the time, then you’ll be losing money as the break-even win percentage is 61.5%.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes,

    I’m going to have to agree with the Edmonton-fan minority opinion and I think the flames players in their locker room are very happy to have him as a teammate given he’s a very good hockey player and his play in that game served to materially help the flames get a big two points.

    The Oilers have played many stinkers in games immediately succeeding those that were “to bring the team together” – I don’t agree that the flames lost because of Tkachuk demoralizing their dressing room.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Number 1 for me is Smith battling outwins in some tough barns wish he would have started in cow-town. As we just seen below average goaltending can make the whole team look like horses manure.

    Smith was .840 in his “bad stretch”, a lengthy stretch – that was many tiers below “below average goaltending” – that was average minor league goaltending.

    Of course, we knew and we know this player runs hot and cold and a heater would be coming.

  140. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    PennersPancakes,

    I’m going to have to agree with the Edmonton-fan minority opinion and I think the flames players in their locker room are very happy to have him as a teammate given he’s a very good hockey player and his play in that game served to materially help the flames get a big two points.

    The Oilers have played many stinkers in games immediately succeeding those that were “to bring the team together” – I don’t agree that the flames lost because of Tkachuk demoralizing their dressing room.

    You dont know what any hockey player, or coach, is actually thinking OP. PP is right, you cant gauge a player or coaches actual feelings by their comments to the media.
    Let me ask you this. If you were a Flames fan, or player, would you be happy with Tkachuks behaviour on Saturday night? Is that the kind of player you want to play with? Or cheer for?

  141. leadfarmer says:

    Nothing like blaming a coach for having one goalie who is not having a good season and no backup goalie

  142. PennersPancakes says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    And thats a fair opinion to have. Hes good at hockey. Im not saying either way but was pointing out either were possible. Hell both could be possible. They could be happy to have him in the room but also want him to cut the shit out, its not black and gray as some comments might suggest.

    Also wanted to mention that its not a stretch to assume a team so light on physicality they actually traded for Lucic and signed Rinaldo doesnt want to focus on a physical game. Tkachuks actions amplify the physicality if this type of behavior continues.

  143. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    We are getting closer to adding Archibald to the list that includes Rattie, Caggiula, Kassian, Maroon and a motley crew of others.

    The list being “This player can produce with McDavid and the Oilers get xGF% when this player plays with McDavid”

    Archibald is up to 56:32 played with McDavid and no Drai on the ice.

    In that time he’s scored 2.01 goals/60. That’s all his points so its 2.01/60

    GF% 75% (3-1)

    Kassian with McDavid and without Drai this year is 142 minutes

    GF% 64.7% (9-5)

    In the 76:31 he’s played with McDavid since Drai was removed from that line Dec 27. Kassian has 2 assists so 1.57 pts/60. (That section was easy to pull out, probably closer to 2 if I troll the game sheets and add up all the “without Drai” points)

    The list of players who produce at around Kassian’s rate and goal share with McDavid is almost as long as the list of players who have played with McDavid.

    I like Kassian, but he’s not doing anything particular special there.

  144. franksterra says:

    Booyah

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Holland just signed his 5 year contract but he needs to take his thumb out ofhis ass and get a 3C and a top 6 winger. Is Benson the answer kinda hard to tell when he’s1100 fricking miles away making shit money. I say Benson is skilled enough to produce and a 3C won’t cost assets that we can’t afford to loseThis team isclose it would be a real shame not to see playoff Leon and Connor in the dance.

    Benson will get his call at some point – in the interim, while the Oilers play one game in the next 14 days, Benson will play 6 including 4 in 7 nights for a very busy Condors’ schedule.

    Both veteran GM and veteran coach like their experienced players, hence Holland targeting and acquiring 25-28 year olds with his depth signings – the league isn’t getting any easier over the next few months – 21 year old rookies can continue to wait while their NHL team goes 5-1-1 and potentially in first place after they win on Saturday afternoon.

    I would suggest that Holland is working very hard, as per his reputation, with his thump where it needs to be – 3Cs and top 6 wingers cost assets and cap space – the GM is treading appropriately given the core of his team is either at the very beginning of their primes or pre-prime.

  146. Jethro Tull says:

    Kass isn’t doing anything that anyone else is doing when playing with McDavid, but I see that as a good thing.

    I’d say it’s almost a definition of ‘depth’. We have players that if injury or poor play affect them, we literally have a replacement level already playing on the team.

    Also highlights how good McDavid is….

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: You dont know what any hockey player, or coach,is actually thinking OP. PP is right, you cant gauge a player or coaches actual feelings by their comments to the media.
    Let me ask you this. If you were a Flames fan,or player, would you be happy with Tkachuks behaviour on Saturday night? Is that the kind of player you want to play with? Or cheer for?

    I don’ tknow what any hockey player or coach is thinking – that is correct.

    Of course, nobody else on here knows what Ward or any flame player is thinking yet they are posting their opinions on how Tkachuk is felt about in their room. I posted my contrary opinion on how I believe he’s thought of in the room.

    That was a big game and a big two points and Tkachuk played a massive role in the flames getting the two points – I think he teammates are just fine with him.

    Kassian has thrown many hits just as dirty and predatory as Tkachuk did – we’ve cheered for those as has his teammates. The only difference is Tkachuk didn’t fight. I think that is massively overblown right now.

  148. blainer says:

    I’m going on the record now like I did last summer with Bear. I didn’t want to trade Bear last summer unlike most posters here who were thinking he could be a throw in on a trade.

    This year it’s .. I don’t think we should be trading Jones either. He is the goods. Give him another year and he will emerge just like Bear did IMO.

    Trade someone else !!

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb Jones signs a two-year extension.

    Will confirm AAV shortly but don’t imagine its much more than $1.25M per.

  150. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’ tknow what any hockey player or coach is thinking – that is correct.

    Of course, nobody else on here knows what Ward or any flame player is thinking yet they are posting their opinions on how Tkachuk is felt about in their room. I posted my contrary opinion on how I believe he’s thought of in the room.

    That was a big game and a big two points and Tkachuk played a massive role in the flames getting the two points – I think he teammates are just fine with him.

    Kassian has thrown many hits just as dirty and predatory as Tkachuk did – we’ve cheered for those as has his teammates. The only difference is Tkachuk didn’t fight.I think that is massively overblown right now.

    Just answer the question.

  151. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Caleb Jones signs a two-year extension.

    Will confirm AAV shortly but don’t imagine its much more than $1.25M per.

    One way or two? I’m hearing $850k per.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    $850K AAV for Jones – great!

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: One way or two? I’m hearing $850k per.

    I imagine its a one-way but that doesn’t really matter to anyone but Caleb, his agent and Katz.

  154. Numenius says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    $850K AAV for Jones – great!

    This is great news. A talented, young D with lots of potential on a team friendly contract.

  155. who says:

    blainer:
    I’m going on the record now like I did last summer with Bear. I didn’t want to trade Bear last summer unlike most posters here who were thinking he could be a throw in on a trade.

    This year it’s .. I don’t think we should be trading Jones either. He is the goods. Give him another year and he will emerge just like Bear did IMO.

    Trade someone else !!

    You make a good point. Jones is showing flashes of being a difference maker. I like his skating and puck skills so far.
    However, if a young winger with just as much promise came available, I think you’d have to make that trade.
    Oilers are swimming in lefty dmen. And short on skilled wingers.

  156. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Oiler fans have donated ~$5700 already in just under a day, let’s help get it to $10K

    BAM!

    They hit $10K

    Then Brett Wilson (oil guy, on Dragon’s Den) said he’d match the $10K and also donate $5K to an Edmonton Woman’s Shelter picked by the girl who had the original idea.

    Soooo awesome.

  157. Reja says:

    PennersPancakes: Benson is a winger.

    And a Butler.

  158. Jethro Tull says:

    You’re kidding right? It means he stays with in the bigs, non?

  159. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: BAM!

    They hit $10K

    Then Brett Wilson (oil guy, on Dragon’s Den) said he’d match the $10K and also donate $5K to an Edmonton Woman’s Shelter picked by the girl who had the original idea.

    Soooo awesome.

    Wooot! Eff ya, Tkachuk! Kill ’em with kindness!

  160. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    We are getting closer to adding Archibald to the list that includes Rattie, Caggiula, Kassian, Maroon and a motley crew of others.

    The list being “This player can produce with McDavid and the Oilers get xGF% when this player plays with McDavid”

    Archibald is up to 56:32 played with McDavid and no Drai on the ice.

    In that time he’s scored 2.01 goals/60.That’s all his points so its 2.01/60

    GF% 75% (3-1)

    Kassian with McDavid and without Drai this year is 142 minutes

    GF% 64.7% (9-5)

    In the 76:31 he’s played with McDavid since Drai was removed from that line Dec 27. Kassian has 2 assists so 1.57 pts/60. (That section was easy to pull out, probably closer to 2 if I troll the game sheets and add up all the “without Drai” points)

    The list of players who produce at around Kassian’s rate and goal share with McDavid is almost as long as the list of players who have played with McDavid.

    I like Kassian, but he’s not doing anything particular special there.

    So you want to give Kassian AND Archibald both 4×4 with NMC’s?

  161. blainer says:

    who: You make a good point. Jones is showing flashes of being a difference maker. I like his skating and puck skills so far.
    However,if a young winger with just as much promise came available,I think you’d have to make that trade.
    Oilers are swimming in lefty dmen. And short on skilled wingers.

    Be careful what you wish for. I’d rather trade futures or Laggesson. We might have lots of D but they aren’t all ready. An LTIR injury to Klef and or Nurse after the Russel buyout and we suddenly don’t look so deep at the position.

    We are still a year away from Sammy helping us and maybe even two for Broberg IMO.. Depth at D is very important as its a position that runs through a lot of injuries in a year.

    Agree on the winger but I would try to figure out another way.

    One thing is for sure. That contract he just signed makes him a very attractive trade target.

  162. theDjdj says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    That is very bad form on part of the organization. Could have been done after AS game to the same effect.

    This is twice he has been terminated “poorly”.

    Sheesh.

    from a team perspective it does make sense to sack him before AS break as it gives the coach probably the most amount of time in season to familiarize himself with the team

  163. PennersPancakes says:

    One way/two way only has to do with the amount they are paid. One way = same pay in NHL or AHL. Two way means different salaries for each league. He does have to go through waivers next year regardless of contract type anyways so likely he stays for good yes.

    EA does it differently in their video game and it creates some confusion but theyre wrong.

  164. Nit64 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    You’re kidding right? It means he stays with in the bigs, non?

    The running joke here. 1 way or 2 way, he still has to clear waivers to the AHL next year.

  165. duct tape and foil says:

    The flames made the incredibly dumb move up taking Lucic off our hands for a reason. Their mgmt thought that as a team they were weak, fragile and lacked leadership. Tkachuck’s antics only enhance that perception and everyone knows Looch is not rescuing a coward like Tkacuk. Most of the respected media outside of Calgary has been very critical of the guy. Did you hear Hrudy (a strong Calgary backer for the most part) last night between periods? He basically called the hits dangerous and Tkachuk a coward for not answering for them. If Tkachuk is traded this summer I would not be in the least surprised. Team’s can love rats, but they never love cowards.

    OriginalPouzar:
    PennersPancakes,

    I’m going to have to agree with the Edmonton-fan minority opinion and I think the flames players in their locker room are very happy to have him as a teammate given he’s a very good hockey player and his play in that game served to materially help the flames get a big two points.

    The Oilers have played many stinkers in games immediately succeeding those that were “to bring the team together” – I don’t agree that the flames lost because of Tkachuk demoralizing their dressing room.

  166. Eberle Hills Ninja says:

    “Hockey’s Rasputin is back from death’s door…”

    You are the best Lowetide.

  167. Reja says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The flames made the incredibly dumb move up taking Lucic off our hands for a reason. Their mgmt thought that as a team they were weak, fragile and lacked leadership. Tkachuck’s antics only enhance that perception and everyone knows Looch is not rescuing a coward like Tkacuk. Most of the respected media outside of Calgary has been very critical of the guy. Did you hear Hrudy (a strong Calgary backer for the most part) last night between periods? He basically called the hits dangerous and Tkachuk a coward for not answering for them. If Tkachuk is traded this summer I would not be in the least surprised. Team’s can love rats, but they never love cowards.

    After all this attention Oilers need to Goad him in to doing something stupid like spearing attempting to slew foot. If I was Tippett I would be on Tkachuk steady if he caves in and is exposed the Flames will lose both games.

  168. YKOil says:

    Agreed with all re: Vegas coach done in by less-than-great goaltending

    Agreed with all re: Jones contract is great

    Now sign good contracts with Nygard and Haas please. $1.25m or less a year for two years would be great, if it can be fully buried in the minors even better. Also consider Archibald for same type of contract.

  169. Sunnyboy says:

    To all who bitch and moan about 44 & 19, chill. I will expect a further drop in attendance on the 29th from last night and tv ratings to plummet also. Let’s see if these fans are serious or they like roller derby. Overblown for sure!

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jones is on with Gregor and Struds – asked about Playfair and the first thing he talks about his how calm Playfair is back there – just an interesting note given the famous incident with him snapping.

  171. dustrock says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The flames made the incredibly dumb move up taking Lucic off our hands for a reason. Their mgmt thought that as a team they were weak, fragile and lacked leadership. Tkachuck’s antics only enhance that perception and everyone knows Looch is not rescuing a coward like Tkacuk. Most of the respected media outside of Calgary has been very critical of the guy. Did you hear Hrudy (a strong Calgary backer for the most part) last night between periods? He basically called the hits dangerous and Tkachuk a coward for not answering for them. If Tkachuk is traded this summer I would not be in the least surprised. Team’s can love rats, but they never love cowards.

    Usually the hockey world is pretty vanilla and see/hear/speak no evil, and I’ve been surprised how many former players and even refs (Paul Stewart) have called out Tkachuk.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb is such a well-spoken young man – I think that every time I hear him.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    More great analysis by Eric Francis:

    “If anyone owes anyone a fight, it’s Kassian with Lucic. Kassian’s the one who broke The Code by rag dolling a star like Tkachuk. And Kassian knows it:”

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    You’re kidding right? It means he stays with in the bigs, non?

    Why would it mean that?

    Lots of guys on one-way contracts in the AHL, Joel Persson for example.

    All it means is he gets an NHL salary if playing in the AHL – nothing else. Zero implication on waivers and zero implication on the cap at the amount he signed for.

  175. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: You dont know what any hockey player, or coach,is actually thinking OP. PP is right, you cant gauge a player or coaches actual feelings by their comments to the media.
    Let me ask you this. If you were a Flames fan,or player, would you be happy with Tkachuks behaviour on Saturday night? Is that the kind of player you want to play with? Or cheer for?

    The fans obviously don’t care. They love the kid. The players probably aren’t thrilled with his behaviour, but who cares if he helps you win. We have no idea what he’s like in the dressing room. Teammates will tolerate a tonne or baggage if they think a player helps them win.

  176. ArmchairGM says:

    Just popped in to say what a fantastic contract that is for Caleb Jones and the Oilers!. Holland showing commitment to a player who only has a handful of games in the NHL will give Jones confidence.

  177. JimmyV1965 says:

    “Kevin Woodley admits he’s not overly surprised by the Gerard Gallant firing, as Vegas simply doesn’t play solid defense in front of Fleury. Kev says it cost Vegas the Cup, other teams have noticed what worked against VGK, and Gallant didnt’ adjust.”

    Hey LT. Not sure how to link to an interview. This is from TSN Radio in Vancouver. Thought it was fair game because it’s not Woodley’s words, but a summary of what he said in an interview.

  178. tcho says:

    68th in league scoring as of today. A star is… born?

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The flames made the incredibly dumb move up taking Lucic off our hands for a reason. Their mgmt thought that as a team they were weak, fragile and lacked leadership. Tkachuck’s antics only enhance that perception and everyone knows Looch is not rescuing a coward like Tkacuk. Most of the respected media outside of Calgary has been very critical of the guy. Did you hear Hrudy (a strong Calgary backer for the most part) last night between periods? He basically called the hits dangerous and Tkachuk a coward for not answering for them. If Tkachuk is traded this summer I would not be in the least surprised. Team’s can love rats, but they never love cowards.

    You could be right but, again, you are just speculating on what the players think without knowledge – exactly what i was criticized for doing.

    Tkachuk has fought voluntarily numerous times in the NHL, he isn’t too cowardly to drop the gloves – I’m not even trying to defend the player but just stating that his teammates have seen him fight on numerous occasions and not fighting Kassian who, while they are not far off in actual height and weight, are indeed in different tiers in this areas, likely has their support – in particular given that eliciting a response from Kass and not fighting him have directly led to two flames wins over the Oilers.

    Maybe his teammates do have zero respect for this player – neither of us know for sure – I think they are fine with him.

    As an aside, Flames ownership saved millions and millions and millions of dollars on the Lucic/Neal swap and that team, management and ownership, were intent on disposing of that player and contract – there was much more to that trade that Lucic’s toughness and supposed leadership.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    YKOil:
    Agreed with all re: Vegas coach done in by less-than-great goaltending

    Agreed with all re: Jones contract is great

    Now sign good contracts with Nygard and Haas please.$1.25m or less a year for two years would be great, if it can be fully buried in the minors even better.Also consider Archibald for same type of contract.

    I would commit 3 years to Archie at that AAV right now – sign me up.

    For Nygar and Haas, that’s a bit of an overpay in my opinion.

    Both are UFAs so there is no floor qualifying offer and I don’t think any raisee over their $925K is really warranted (and I like both players).,

  181. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    The ice is embarrassing at Rexall for sure, and we don’t have living in Florida as an excuse.

    Really surprised by how well Yamamoto draws penalties, he really has been Yamamotor.

    LT on Bear’s passing I’m not convinced it’s so much him as the forwards.

    He hits them on the stick and not the skates.

    It’s not like the other Dmen are passing to different forwards than the other Dmen.

  182. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Agreed all points.

    It’s also point #1 on why you don’t sign Kassian long term or short term at anything over 2.5

  183. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Why do you like hurting me Padre?

    Are my confessions not saucy enough these days?

  184. digger50 says:

    I thought that was the article by ken Campbell of hockey news. Very one sided and seemingly uninformed opinion.

    It’s amazing how several logical people will look at the same event and come to completely different conclusions.

    I’m sure Thachuk has no enemies in his locker room – they see their perspective and that’s it. Full support.

    Predatory hits? Didn’t happen (huh?)

    I do hope this thing gets further into Calgary’s heads and the Oilers show up fresh with nothing but hockey on their minds, taking an early and substantial lead.

  185. who says:

    JimmyV1965: The fans obviously don’t care. They love the kid. The players probably aren’t thrilled with his behaviour, but who cares if he helps you win. We have no idea what he’s like in the dressing room. Teammates will tolerate a tonne or baggage if they think a player helps them win.

    Again. We don’t know what any Flames fans think. I asked OP what he thought and he never answered.
    What do you think? If you were a Flames fan do you like or respect his actions?
    Personally, I’m glad Edmonton never drafted him. It would take a lot of the fun out of watching this team.

  186. duct tape and foil says:

    Well you don’t expect balance from a local journalist but Francis is on a whole other level of deluded. Anyone who knows anything about Looch knows that he rarely stirs it up with his former teams, and whatever you think about the player, he’s got a pretty well defined sense of right and wrong. Tkachuk’s antics are way into the wrong category for a pugilist like Looch. Francis is crazy if he believes Looch sees his job as protecting cowardly punks like Tkachuk. Expectations like that will just poison the well even more, and I see much potential for the dressing room to implode in Calgary.

    I would not play the other CGY players any different at all, tough, straight up, legal. With Tkachuk you have to be smart and keep opening up the wedges between him and the rest of the team. Let him do something stupid and cowardly again, he can’t help it, and then unload on him while his team sits back and does nothing just like last time.

    OriginalPouzar: foil

  187. jojonoshow says:

    PennersPancakes,

    ???? Isn’t it that you have to clear waivers??

  188. nelson88 says:

    Friedman has some interesting commentary on his 31 thoughts regarding Shero situation and devils analytics department

  189. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: This is why I predict that Tkachuk fights at least once in the back to backs to try and redeem himself around the league and his teammates. I just don’t think it’ll be against Kass but who else fights on the Oilers besides Nurse and you know he doesn’t want to tangle with him. If he turtles once or twice in the back to backs he’ll become the laughing stock in the league and he knows it.

    Maybe he will try Yamamoto. Seems to be about his speed. All mouth and no class. He would not be a member of the Wiserhood. A class act he is not.

  190. v4ance says:

    who: Again. We don’t know what any Flames fans think. I asked OP what he thought and he never answered.
    What do you think? If you were a Flames fan do you like or respect his actions?
    Personally, I’m glad Edmonton never drafted him. It would take a lot of the fun out of watching this team.

    I live with OP in Calgary and like him, I’m surrounded b co-workers who are Flames fans. Besides that I am friends with a number of people who work for the Flames.

    By and large, they support Tkachuk. The most common reaction is “who cares! We won! Suck it Edmonton! (paraphasing some of the language there)” At the end of the day, The Flames won and the Oilers lost and that makes them happy. The fact it leapfrogged them above Edmonton in the standings is a cherry on top. Call him a dirty turtle? Whatever! He did what he did and the Flames beat the Oilers.

    NOW, if the Oilers had come out on fire in the third with tons of emotion, killed off the penalty. and Kassian scored a goal to lead them to the win, the Flames fans would probably have different feelings. THEN they might have reprimanded Tkachuk for firing up the other team and acting too cowardly.

    Results are results and so Flames fans don’t see a turtle, a cheap shot artist or anything negative. They see a successful agitator, a skilled member of the team who produces points, two points TAKEN from the enemies to the north and a winner. Against the Oilers, that’s more than enough.

  191. Bulging Twine says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    We are getting closer to adding Archibald to the list that includes Rattie, Caggiula, Kassian, Maroon and a motley crew of others.

    The list being “This player can produce with McDavid and the Oilers get xGF% when this player plays with McDavid”

    Archibald is up to 56:32 played with McDavid and no Drai on the ice.

    In that time he’s scored 2.01 goals/60.That’s all his points so its 2.01/60

    GF% 75% (3-1)

    Kassian with McDavid and without Drai this year is 142 minutes

    GF% 64.7% (9-5)

    In the 76:31 he’s played with McDavid since Drai was removed from that line Dec 27. Kassian has 2 assists so 1.57 pts/60. (That section was easy to pull out, probably closer to 2 if I troll the game sheets and add up all the “without Drai” points)

    The list of players who produce at around Kassian’s rate and goal share with McDavid is almost as long as the list of players who have played with McDavid.

    I like Kassian, but he’s not doing anything particular special there.

    San Jose used to play rookies with Thornton to boost their confidence and give them a good start iirc. Anyone who played with him produced. Remember Jonathan Cheechoo’s Rocket Richard Trophy winning year.
    Maybe start Benson with McDavid when he arrives, start him off with some confidence.
    Also, this could be used as a pump and trade strategy.

  192. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: You could be right but, again, you are just speculating on what the players think without knowledge – exactly what i was criticized for doing.

    Tkachuk has fought voluntarily numerous times in the NHL, he isn’t too cowardly to drop the gloves – I’m not even trying to defend the player but just stating that his teammates have seen him fight on numerous occasions and not fighting Kassian who, while they are not far off in actual height and weight, are indeed in different tiers in this areas, likely has their support – in particular given that eliciting a response from Kass and not fighting him have directly led to two flames wins over the Oilers.

    Maybe his teammates do have zero respect for this player – neither of us know for sure – I think they are fine with him.

    As an aside, Flames ownership saved millions and millions and millions of dollars on the Lucic/Neal swap and that team, management and ownership, were intent on disposing of that player and contract – there was much more to that trade that Lucic’s toughness and supposed leadership.

    The flames save 500’000 per year for four years which equals 2 million. At least that is what cap friendly says. Not a significant savings given what Neal is producing vs Lucic. This is not withstanding Neals contract is more buyout friendly. This was a great trade by Holland.

  193. Halfwise says:

    He has enough talent and enough size to be a valuable and popular player.

    His cheap shots detract from that. I don’t think he cares at all about that.

    The best thing that has come out of this, in my view, is Kassian learning what is considered legal and deciding he’d like to do some of that borderline stuff. I actually believe that Kassian DOES care about what people think.

    Can’t wait for Turtle chuck to have his head down and be vulnerable when 44 is on the ice. If the league reviews the resulting play, Kassian will have game tape from last Saturday to demonstrate that it’s league-approved behaviour.

  194. Gerta Rauss says:

    I think if you click on “salary” with the capfriendly page open for both teams/players, you’ll see a more substantial difference in monies paid out- I’m far too lazy to add it up – and factor in the bonus paid by the Oilers last July and the salary retained in the transaction- I seem to recall the final tally was in the $13M range

  195. Harpers Hair says:

    This also came up on radio today.
    Dellow’s name was mentioned.

  196. Pescador says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Well you don’t expect balance from a local journalist but Francis is on a whole other level of deluded. Anyone who knows anything about Looch knows that he rarely stirs it up with his former teams, and whatever you think about the player, he’s got a pretty well defined sense of right and wrong. Tkachuk’s antics are way into the wrong category for a pugilist like Looch. Francis is crazy if he believes Looch sees his job as protecting cowardly punks like Tkachuk. Expectations like that will just poison the well even more, and I see much potential for the dressing room to implode in Calgary.

    I would not play the other CGY players any different at all, tough, straight up, legal. With Tkachuk you have to be smart and keep opening up the wedges between him and the rest of the team. Let him do something stupid and cowardly again, he can’t help it, and then unload on him while his team sits back and does nothing just like last time.

    This is a solid take,
    However suggesting that the dressing room will implode might be a bit of a reach.
    I would settle for the leaders in the Cgy dressing room to put pressure on UpTkhuck.
    If he acts like a dick & the rest of the team condones it,
    well then that makes them all dicks

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    jojonoshow:
    PennersPancakes,

    ???? Isn’t it that you have to clear waivers??

    One way vs. two way contract have zero to do with waivers and if a player is exempt from clearing them.

    Caleb Jones is subject to waivers next season with a one-way or with a two-way contract.

    Whether a player is subject to waivers or not is a calculation based on their age at signing their ELC and their games/years accrued.

    P. Russell is on a two-way contract but would need to clear waivers to be re-assigned.

    Joel Persson is on a one-way contract but is exempt from waivers.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: The flames save 500’000 per year for four years which equals 2 million. At least that is what cap friendly says. Not a significant savings given what Neal is producing vs Lucic. This is not withstanding Neals contract is more buyout friendly. This was a great trade by Holland.

    Of course it was a great trade by Holland – that is neither here nor there.

    I am talking about the $8M of real money that Flames ownership saved via the trade – Neal makes $8M more than Lucic post trade.

  199. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: BAM!

    They hit $10K

    Then Brett Wilson (oil guy, on Dragon’s Den) said he’d match the $10K and also donate $5K to an Edmonton Woman’s Shelter picked by the girl who had the original idea.

    Soooo awesome.

    What an excellent, creative and timely way to raise money. Superb.

  200. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    More great analysis by Eric Francis:

    “If anyone owes anyone a fight, it’s Kassian with Lucic. Kassian’s the one who broke The Code by rag dolling a star like Tkachuk. And Kassian knows it:”

    The mental gymnastics is stunning.

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