Lottery Day!

by Lowetide

Light a candle. Send a message heavenward to the God who’ll listen, find some instant karma and think good thoughts. People will tell you the Edmonton Oilers don’t deserve McDavid Lafreniere, I say diddly squat. Edmonton Oilers fans have earned the right to have two three lottery wins, and perhaps the hockey Gods have been beating fans senseless these years in order for Oilers fans to earn this reward.

*Those words, with slight alterations, adorned this blog on McDavid’s lottery day in 2015.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

On the day of the McDavid lottery, I had a mock draft ready, but it didn’t involve Edmonton winning. Here, for the first time, is the mock I wrote and planned to publish once Edmonton was in position to draft (I chose No. 4 overall, it was the one edit I thought possible).

No. 4 overall: D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA). 6.03, 203. Hanifin checks off all of the boxes MacT has stressed since returning: He’s big, an up the middle addition and he’s a very talented player who can help offensively. The key for this draft is acquiring an impact player and Hanifin is certainly qualified to be taken in this range. His NHLE (82GP, 4-13-17) does not imply he’ll be a major offensive contributor, but we must factor in the age difference between Hanifin and his opposition. Shane Luke of Providence College was born June 5, 1990. Hanifin? January 25, 1997. That’s a lot of man strength. My hope is that the Oilers don’t rush Hanifin but rather find the best route to the NHL possible, be it back to college or the AHL.

No. 16 overall: R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). 6.01, 209. I am convinced the Oilers are flush enough at center and defense to invest in badly needed cover at the scoring-winger slot. Meier is a very nice option, not only because of his boxcars (NHLE: 82GP, 18-18-36) but because all of the indicators (year over year progression, etc) are positive. He’s a 1996, so you’re giving up some development track, but I like him plenty.

No. 33 overall: D Ethan Bear, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). 6.00, 200. A smart, mobile defender who has the defensive game down with coverage skills and anticipation. He also owns a great shot from the point, which may or may not be a factor moving forward. He may be a little high on my list but this is a nice player and a good bet. NHLE is 82GP, 5-9-14

No. 60 overall: L Vladimir Tkachev, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). 5.10, 144. There’s a chance he goes before this number (I have him at No. 47) but he’s so small I can see other teams passing on him. As you know this young man has terrific skills and showed management what he could do to the point they offered him a contract. His NHLE (9-17-26) doesn’t wow, they should be able to grab him here.

No. 79 overall: C Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson, Omaha (USHL). 6.01, 190. Another reason I believe Edmonton can use their high picks outside center is the sheer number of excellent options in the draft at this position. JFK is a fine young center who plays an aggressive game and has good speed. His USHL numbers (50GP, 15-38-53). He is a smart, creative center.

No. 89 overall: G Adin Hill, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). 6.03, 185. Led the WHL in save percentage (.921) in a season where his backups were miles behind. I’m no goalie expert but the WHL is a fine league and this fellow has decent size and a growing resume. I don’t like the idea of using a top 60 pick on a goalie and this seems like a reasonable spot for the bet.

No. 124 overall: C Alexander Dergachyov, St. Petersburg (Rus Jr). 6.04, 200. Huge center enjoyed a strong season in Russia’s junior league (45GP, 10-29-39) and the scouting report from Elite Prospects suggests legit skill. Alessandro Seren Russo has a nice writeup on him at the Hockey Writers.

No. 131 overall: R Sebastian Aho, Kärpät—Assat (SM-Liiga). 5.11, 172. I must be missing something with this player (there’s also a Swedish defender of the same name). According to the records, he played in Finland’s top league and scored well (30GP, 4-9-13) for his age but it’s damn near impossible to find a reasonable scouting report on him. I’d take a flyer, or at least investigate further.

No. 154 overall: C Matteo Gennaro, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). 6.02, 187. A big center with good speed, Gennaro didn’t make the mid-term CS list but ranks No. 127 on the final list. Cody Nickolet marked him back in October and he is a good prospect from the Oilers back yard (he’s from St. Albert and Fernando Pisani is his cousin). His boxcars (72GP, 16-15-31) aren’t impact level but the scouting report suggests a range of skills.

No. 184 overall: G Jordan Papirny, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). I thought they might take him last season, and Papirny’s improved play this year may get him selected (but not until late).

There’s a lack of Euro’s on this list but the nature of the draft is that we don’t get a strong impression of the kids across the pond until after the U18’s (on currently). The next four weeks will be very important in that area. Beginning soon (in the next week or so) I’ll start passing along the prospects from leagues posts and we’ll have a long look at Bob Green at that point as well.

The thing to remember is this: Edmonton is in a very good position to deliver a strong draft this year but it’s just the beginning. Draft is followed by develop and it takes time. We’ll get a very good indication this season, because there is potential to swing for the fences on almost every pick. The draft is that deep.

BUTTON LOVED THE OILERS 2015 DRAFT

I posted an ISS look at the Oilers draft the other day and continue the series here with Craig Button’s view. Button is a divisive figure for many, this blog’s comments have been very punishing in the past while the blog’s author respects his view. Button’s list is not meant to predict the draft (as Bob McKenzie’s does) or rely on consensus, it’s Button’s view alone. Like Red Line report, it’s a (free) independent look from a man who had real and quantifiable success in the position of scouting director once upon a time. Here’s how he ranked the Oilers picks:

No. 1 overall: Connor McDavid. Button had him No. 1. “Two words; unprecedented speed. Skating speed, hand quickness and mental processing that he executes simultaneously to threaten defenders and create opportunities. He would be the first pick at every draft since Sidney Crosby in 2005, perhaps even in Crosby’s draft year.”

No. 117 overall: Caleb Jones. Button had him No. 81.

No. 124 overall: Ethan Bear. Button had him No. 77. “There is a lot of ability in his game to impact the game in a positive way. He gets where he needs to be, he never gets himself in trouble. He’s a body-on-body one-on-one competitor. If you want to play against him in the defensive zone, you’ll have to earn everything you get. He can get the puck out of the zone well, he knows what his options are, doesn’t get himself into trouble. Smart player.”

No. 209 overall: Ziyat Paigin. Button had him No. 86

THE TOP 50 PLAYERS IN THE 2020 DRAFT

  1. L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL. NHL ready, fleet scorer who plays with an edge.
  2. LC Quinton Byfield, OHL. August 2002, 6.04, 215. Big, powerful winger, excellent speed.
  3. LC Tim Stutzle, DEL. Dynamic player, highlight reel offense. Tremendous skater.
  4. LC Marco Rossi, OHL. Good speed, exciting, range of skills. Exceptional talent.
  5. RHD Jamie Drysdale, OHL. Great speed, passing and instincts, instant offense from the blue.
  6. LC Cole Perfetti, OHL. Outstanding talent, not as fast as top forwards, has tremendous skill.
  7. RW Alexander Holtz, SHL. First-shot scorer with a range of skills, he’s an electric player.
  8. LW Lucas Raymond, SHL. Smart player who has ridiculous skill. March 2002. Fine skater.
  9. RW Jack Quinn OHL. Impressive offensive winger was a late breaker. Pure goal scorer.
  10. RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL. Impressive player who is both scorer and playmaker.
  11. RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL. Creative center, great passer, great shot. Plays in tough areas.
  12. LC Connor Zary, WHL. Quick, smart two-way center effective across 200 feet. 
  13. LD Jake Sanderson, USHL. Smart, fast two-way defenseman has complete skill set.
  14. LC Anton Lundell, Liiga. Complete skill set, average speed but improving.
  15. RC Seth Jarvis, WHL.  Jarvis is a fantastic player, undersized and skilled. Big second half.
  16. RW Noel Gunler, SHL. Has a great release and an impressive resume. Attractive option.
  17. G Yaroslav Askarov, VHL. He plays an unusual style. June 2002, has a .923 VHL save percentage.
  18. RC Jacob Perreault, OHL. Skates well, great shot, great numbers, excellent passer.
  19. LC Jan Mysak, OHL. Skilled and is effective in all areas. Major move in second half.
  20. LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL. Big defenseman has good foot speed and full skill set.
  21. LD Jérémie Poirier, QMJHL. Smart offensive defender, puck transporter.
  22. RD Braden Schneider, WHL. Fine skater, physical, smart two-way defenseman.
  23. LW Lukas Reichel, DEL. Mid-season riser. He has skill, speed and plays with abandon.
  24. LW Rodion Amirov, KHL. Scouts love the tools. A fast train in a draft season with slow boats.
  25. LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10. Big power forward. Strong skater, nice range of skills.
  26. LW Ridly Greig, WHL. Smart offensive winger with good instincts, August 2002. Not a burner.
  27. RC Tyson Foerster, OHL. Great offensive weapon, quick release and accurate.
  28. LC Hendrix Lapierre, QMJHL. Skill center projects as a playmaker. Injury a worry.
  29. RHD Justin Barron, QMJHL. Mobile blue can defend. Lacks top-end offensive ability.
  30. LW John-Jason Peterka, DEL. A speedy winger with skill, survived in a men’s league.
  31. LW Martin Chromiak, OHL. One of the most skilled players in the draft.
  32. LW Brendan Brisson, USHL. Undersized speedster spiked late. Big riser.
  33. LD William Wallinder, Superelite. Big (6.04, 195) 2-way defenseman with good speed.
  34. LW Jake Neighbours WHL He’s skilled, gritty and plays a strong two-way game.
  35. RW Zion Nybeck, SuperElite. Undersized playmaker, great passer. Impressive speed.
  36. RC Jean-Luc Foudy, OHL. Speedy center plus skill, mediocre season.
  37. LD Emil Andrae, SuperElite. Fast defenseman with offensive potential. Plus passer.
  38. LC Ty Smilanic, USHL. Lean center, plus skater and pure scorer. Had mono.
  39. LC Vasili Ponomaryov, QMJHL. Great hands and good speed, he’s a little under the radar
  40. RW Ozzy Wiesblatt, WHL. Undersized winger is aggressive, fast and skilled.
  41. RW Sam Colangelo, USHL. Big power winger with skill, scored 28 goals in 44 games.
  42. RW Luke Evangelista, OHL. Skill winger, great passer, plays in all disciplines.
  43. RD Helge Grans, SHL. Solid two-way defenseman with good size and speed.
  44. RW Connor McClennon, WHL. Numbers are solid to excellent. Undersized, range of skills.
  45. RC Jack Finley, WHL. An August 2002 and a big pivot, he plays a fairly complete game.
  46. RW Kasper Simontaival, Liiga. Unusual skating style but he’s quick and has high-end skill.
  47. RC Justin Sourdif, WHL. Two-way winger gained notice at the Hlinka, solid season.
  48. LW Veeti Miettinen, Jr Liiga. Undersized winger, fills the net with pucks.
  49. RW Pavel Novak, WHL. Speedster with skill, he’s a scorer.
  50. LW Sean Farrell, USHL. A good skater with plus skills, spiked offensively.

If the Oilers can get two names inside my top-50 overall, as they did in 2015 (McDavid and Bear), then that should be considered a solid draft. For me, Mavrik Bourque and Seth Jarvis are terrific options. We’ll see.

OILERS BLUE VERSUS ELITES 2019-20

I’m seeing lots of “trade Klefbom, trade Larsson, trade Nurse” tweets and posts, just a friendly reminder that making decisions on small sample sizes is unwise. Adam Larsson was injured for much of the early portion of the year, then settled in and was relied upon and delivered better performances against elites than any other Oilers blue. Nurse was second in DFF%RC. Klefbom had a tough season in this area but some of that was Larsson’s injury/getting back to full health.

I hope one day to observe a team that trades bottom pairing defensemen and waits until young blue are ready and seasoned. I would keep Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Bear and Jones for 2020-21. Matt Benning and Kris Russell are expendable. Evan Bouchard can slide in on the third pairing, Lagesson the No. 7 man. Maybe during 2020-21 Jones passes Klefbom on the depth chart and the pairings become Nurse-Bear, Jones-Larsson and Klefbom-Bouchard. For the love of God, please don’t turn this defense back into the 2006-07 crew. I can’t take it anymore. A reminder, and say it with me, young defensemen will break your heart. All numbers via PuckIQ.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we have a big show planned for a big day in sports. At 10:20, Reid Fowler from Draft Kings joins us to talk about Collin Morikawa. He emerged from a massive pack to win the PGA Tournament in San Fransisco yesterday. Jason Gregor from TSN1260 pops in at 11 to talk Oilers disappointments, the draft lottery and the offseason to come in Edmonton. We’ll also have a guest from the champion Edmonton Stingers join us at 11:25 to talk about winning the Canadian Elite Basketball League Summer Series title on Sunday. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Others had “done the work” to suggest a possible weaponized work.

I don’t know it off the top of my head but I would think that Rusty and his agent could sit down and figure out the teams that would be interested in him. Teams that have cap space (which aren’t many) and teams that require/desire high cap/low cash outlay. There are likely only a handful – Florida being one of them.

Given he only has one year left on this contract I am not sure that would be in his best interest. Teams he turned down might return the favour when he becomes a free agent. You can almost guarantee there will not be a no trade/no move clause in his next contract.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Others had “done the work” to suggest a possible weaponized work.

I don’t know it off the top of my head but I would think that Rusty and his agent could sit down and figure out the teams that would be interested in him. Teams that have cap space (which aren’t many) and teams that require/desire high cap/low cash outlay. There are likely only a handful – Florida being one of them.

Really? I’ve not seen it but would be curious to if anyone has a link.

I just find it not at all useful (counterproductive even) for every Russell trade suggestion to be met with “would Russell allow a trade to that team?”.

Seemingly he’d block a trade to 27 or 28 teams in the league (no doubt he’d like to). The problem is he can only chose 15.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: I’m sure there will be lots of changes.

I think the Ice hold his CHL rights……. if there is a CHL season…..

OriginalPouzar

jp: He very well may, but this gets said about essentially every team outside Western Canada. He can only list 15, who do you figure they’ll be?

Others had “done the work” to suggest a possible weaponized work.

I don’t know it off the top of my head but I would think that Rusty and his agent could sit down and figure out the teams that would be interested in him. Teams that have cap space (which aren’t many) and teams that require/desire high cap/low cash outlay. There are likely only a handful – Florida being one of them.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Does anything change if there is no NCAA season to play?

I’m sure there will be lots of changes.

OriginalPouzar

ArmchairGM: Not sure if it’s been 24 hours, but I’d be ecstatic if the Oilers were to draft Dylan Holloway. Fantastic player and exactly what McDavid needs IMO – although of course he’ll play at least 1 more season in the NCAA before turning pro.

Does anything change if there is no NCAA season to play?

ArmchairGM

GordieHoweHatTrick: You have been following him closely.
Any guess as to how long it would take him to be “likely to be ready” for NHL??
I won’t hold it against you if you are wrong just curious…
thx

Good question. Nick Suzuki is a good comp, so I think he’ll play 2 more WHL seasons (plus AHL playoff games if available) and then push for an NHL job. Because Holland he might get a season (or part of one) in the AHL too.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Do we think Russell would not have Florida on his no trade list?

He very well may, but this gets said about essentially every team outside Western Canada. He can only list 15, who do you figure they’ll be?

ArmchairGM

Tarkus:
Pronman just put up a post-lottery mock draft on The Athletic.

He has the Oilers taking a forward…but one who hasn’t been mentioned very often here. (I won’t mention who, respecting LT’s 24-hour article embargo.)

However, he also says that if Askarov gets past Minny at 9, the goalie is a possibility at 14.

Not sure if it’s been 24 hours, but I’d be ecstatic if the Oilers were to draft Dylan Holloway. Fantastic player and exactly what McDavid needs IMO – although of course he’ll play at least 1 more season in the NCAA before turning pro.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965:
Wonder if we could get Connolly out of Florida. Three more years at $3.5 mill.Maybe they have interest in Kassian. They would more likely be interested in Jones. Maybe you could even include Russell in a deal.

Do we think Russell would not have Florida on his no trade list?

GordieHoweHatTrick

ArmchairGM: What can I say – Seth Jarvis has been my hard target pick for at least 6 months.

You have been following him closely.
Any guess as to how long it would take him to be “likely to be ready” for NHL??
I won’t hold it against you if you are wrong 🙂 just curious…
thx

jp

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
jp,

I have a hard time drafting goalies so high when you have only one pick.

The time to draft a goalie in the first round was 2015 when we had #1 & #16, when we could have drafted Samsonov. Who, not surprisingly, is about ready for The Show right about now.

Yeah 2015 with 2 picks would have made sense for sure.

An eventual starter is as big a need as any in the pipeline though IMO. And while goalies do take a little longer I think the gap in development time between goalies and skater picks is overstated (I’ve been looking off and on over the past few months and it seems like 1 or 1.5 years longer for a goalie to contribute vs a forward rather than the 2 or 3 or 4 that’s often assumed).

ArmchairGM

Scungilli Slushy: 1 ov can be a problem when generational talents aren’t there and management or ownership don’t have the courage of their convictions.

Or they are wrong.

The Oilers don’t need a W as bad as RSC.

Of quality which these days usually means draft.

Right shot players are gold jerry

What can I say – Seth Jarvis has been my hard target pick for at least 6 months.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

jp,

I have a hard time drafting goalies so high when you have only one pick.

The time to draft a goalie in the first round was 2015 when we had #1 & #16, when we could have drafted Samsonov. Who, not surprisingly, is about ready for The Show right about now.

JimmyV1965

Wonder if we could get Connolly out of Florida. Three more years at $3.5 mill. Maybe they have interest in Kassian. They would more likely be interested in Jones. Maybe you could even include Russell in a deal.

jp

Old Timer:
Given all the consternation about the Oilers goal tending in recent days, would it be a reasonable option to draft Askarov if he is still available? Strength down the middle is critical in todays NHL.

I kinda think I’d like the Oilers to take Askarov, if available. If nothing else they need a succession plan in net (I suppose they could also make one up at some later point…).

jp

Sunnyboy:
Boy oh boy, a 2player team misses the playoffs 3 years in a row with 97 and 29and the #5D, KR4 is the scapegoat, send him out. Bring back the same cast next year and expect better results, what does that mean again! A borderline playoff team is their ceiling, we have a 3 year sample, that’s OK! KH should bring back Gagner and Green, what a help! The balance photo is near the end of a rainbow I fear.Woodguy on Bob’s show this aft mentioned Larson, I concur. Jones and Lagesson are seasoned and ready for prime time.

What’s the answer then? Move F1 and F2? Or D1-4? Just D4?

Material Elvis

Dawson Mercer sounds like the ideal right winger for McDavid. Heavy shot, aggressive forechecker, high hockey IQ, defensively responsible. Tough to pass that up if he is available.

Greenberg

digger50,

He wasn’t the only one.

OriginalPouzar

Sunnyboy: Hogwash and drip dry, save the salary of the clear #5 D, while keeping non performing forwards athigher salariesand Larson to boot. Talk about a story and a narrative, good job.

He’s unlikely to be the clear #5 next season and, even if he was, he is too expensive vis-a-vis the cap for the #5.

There is a younger and arguably already superior player on the roster that can do the job for less than a quarter of the cap hit.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar: The dude was looking at the machine?That is evidence that the NHL fixed the lottery?

Sorry, can’t agree.

No No, i didn’t say it was fixed. But it can be viewed that it is since he is staring down at the balls and there is team logo on each one

Sunnyboy

OriginalPouzar: Yes, send Russell out, in the name of changing the team.

As you said, Jones and Lagesson are ready for prime time – Russell blocks them.

Russell also needs to be sent out because the $4M currently allocated to him needs to be used to upgrade at other areas.

Russell would be a fine 6-7D, a great one perhaps, but he’s priced as a 2nd pairing D and there are adequate, more than adequate, replacements.

Hogwash and drip dry, save the salary of the clear #5 D, while keeping non performing forwards at higher salaries and Larson to boot. Talk about a story and a narrative, good job.

Faustkarz

Thought Kailer looked as good as you could pragmatically expect from a 5’7″-8″ essentially rookie winger; even with accounting for his MVP-candidate centre

as long as RNH is here, don’t see him on the PP for awhile; barring injury

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: I don’tdisagree that he might, just that whom do you move. If you protect Jones it would indicate that you believe him to be a top a top four left D. If that is the case Holland has the luxury of being able to move one of Nurse or Klefbom to fill another roster hole. There are definitely a lot of moving parts.

That is a good question and is unknown at this time.

If Jones has proven to be a legit top 4 LD then, yes, maybe it does give the team the ability to move on from Klef or Nurse for a value acquisition, however, the Godot theorem is indeed accurate and the team will need “veterans” in the age-range of those two.

Having Jones, a legit top 4D (presumed) as 3LD is the type of depth the wins cups though….. of course, without moving on from one of the other two it requires a 4-4-1 and, if any of the above-listed forwards “pop” and Nuge is re-signed ahead of time, unless Kailer was a one-hit wonder….

OriginalPouzar

Sunnyboy:
Boy oh boy, a 2player team misses the playoffs 3 years in a row with 97 and 29and the #5D, KR4 is the scapegoat, send him out. Bring back the same cast next year and expect better results, what does that mean again! A borderline playoff team is their ceiling, we have a 3 year sample, that’s OK! KH should bring back Gagner and Green, what a help! The balance photo is near the end of a rainbow I fear.Woodguy on Bob’s show this aft mentioned Larson, I concur. Jones and Lagesson are seasoned and ready for prime time.

Yes, send Russell out, in the name of changing the team.

As you said, Jones and Lagesson are ready for prime time – Russell blocks them.

Russell also needs to be sent out because the $4M currently allocated to him needs to be used to upgrade at other areas.

Russell would be a fine 6-7D, a great one perhaps, but he’s priced as a 2nd pairing D and there are adequate, more than adequate, replacements.

Scungilli Slushy

ArmchairGM:
I wonder if they trade back to get Stutzle or Byfield? I think center is an area of great need there.

1 ov can be a problem when generational talents aren’t there and management or ownership don’t have the courage of their convictions.

Or they are wrong.

The Oilers don’t need a W as bad as RSC.

Of quality which these days usually means draft.

Right shot players are gold jerry

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Trading Benning doesn’t save $2M though, it saves $1M when accounting for his replacement on the roster (shit, if Bouch hits his bonuses, it saves $400K).

Benning is essentially value for his $2M, at least in my opinion, and he plays a position where the team currently lacks NHL proven depth.

Russell is not value for his $4M and plays a position where the the org has the deepest organizational depth and there is a roster replacement for $850K that is, arguably, better than him.

Of course, one is much easier to move than the other and would get an asset back as oppossed to having negative value but that is because of the difference in their caps and their performance, in my opinion.

Of course, Bear, Nurse and Klefbom are no-brainer protects.

I don’t see Larsson protected even if re-signed.

Whether they go 7-3-1 or 4-4 will depend on so many moving parts including:

– Nuge re-signing before or not
– Jones’ development over the next year
– development/performance of AA, Kassian, Benson, Puljujarvi and AA

I’m totally speculating but I predict that, assuming a fullish NHL season for 2020/21, Jones may put himself in to the must-protect category.

I don’t disagree that he might, just that whom do you move. If you protect Jones it would indicate that you believe him to be a top a top four left D. If that is the case Holland has the luxury of being able to move one of Nurse or Klefbom to fill another roster hole. There are definitely a lot of moving parts.

Material Elvis

Old Timer:
Given all the consternation about the Oilers goal tending in recent days, would it be a reasonable option to draft Askarov if he is still available? Strength down the middle is critical in todays NHL.

The Oilers could also use a center prospect. Lundell could be a key player for them and he’s close to NHL ready. Goalies are risky but if he’s as good as advertised, then that is a good option. Trouble is, most goalies aren’t NHL ready for 4+ years. I don’t know if the team can pass on taking forward at #14.

Pescador

OriginalPouzar: I understand the differences in how the two lotteries were held.

I’m talking about the premise of the NHL fixing lotteries – if that is something they did, or were willing to do, Connor McDavid would not be an Oiler.

The NHL does not fix lotteries.

Ya but right after the Oilers won the McDavid,
That’s was the moment when the NHL knew they had to start “fixing” it

Pescador

GordieHoweHatTrick: Holy shit check out how intense his eyes are focused on the ball when he hit the switch!!

I heard it was the only ball that was filled with helium,
Total fix job

Pescador

godot10: Kassian and Khaira for Kerfoot and Anderssen.Would you do it?

Durag: And how many kilos of heroin am I smuggling in my anus to make this happen? Just a rhetorical question, obviously any real fan would make room no matter what.

Make room for the trade or the heroin?

GordieHoweHatTrick

flyfish1168: I agree it difficult to fix the lottery. This supplementary lottery I felt should be number balls with each team drawing a number without anyone knowing. Look at the picture in the Journal.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/new-york-rangers-win-the-alexis-lafreniere-lottery-edmonton-oilers-set-to-pick-14th

Holy shit check out how intense his eyes are focused on the ball when he hit the switch!!

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: My thought is if you move Benning you are saving 2 million. If the teams intention is to protect 7-3 then you leave Larson unprotected. Depending on who the Kracken pick you still have a good right side although somewhat thin. Both Benning and Larsson have injury problems. Benning concussions and Larsson a bad back. Holland is savey enough, to take everything into account. As fans we are not privy to many things. What may seem logical to us may in fact not be so.Nurse,Klefbom and Bear have to be protected. The upper limit for Jones and Lagesson are unknown at this time. Protecting four and four risks the loss of a winger that we don’t have cover for.

Trading Benning doesn’t save $2M though, it saves $1M when accounting for his replacement on the roster (shit, if Bouch hits his bonuses, it saves $400K).

Benning is essentially value for his $2M, at least in my opinion, and he plays a position where the team currently lacks NHL proven depth.

Russell is not value for his $4M and plays a position where the the org has the deepest organizational depth and there is a roster replacement for $850K that is, arguably, better than him.

Of course, one is much easier to move than the other and would get an asset back as oppossed to having negative value but that is because of the difference in their caps and their performance, in my opinion.

Of course, Bear, Nurse and Klefbom are no-brainer protects.

I don’t see Larsson protected even if re-signed.

Whether they go 7-3-1 or 4-4 will depend on so many moving parts including:

– Nuge re-signing before or not
– Jones’ development over the next year
– development/performance of AA, Kassian, Benson, Puljujarvi and AA

I’m totally speculating but I predict that, assuming a fullish NHL season for 2020/21, Jones may put himself in to the must-protect category.

wintoon

Given all the consternation about the Oilers goal tending in recent days, would it be a reasonable option to draft Askarov if he is still available? Strength down the middle is critical in todays NHL.

OriginalPouzar

flyfish1168: I agree it difficult to fix the lottery. This supplementary lottery I felt should be number balls with each team drawing a number without anyone knowing. Look at the picture in the Journal.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/new-york-rangers-win-the-alexis-lafreniere-lottery-edmonton-oilers-set-to-pick-14th

The dude was looking at the machine? That is evidence that the NHL fixed the lottery?

Sorry, can’t agree.

OriginalPouzar

digger50: You really must not base all your decisions on a four game sample size.

I don’t know what you are talking about, seriously.

I would not bring Green back for anything more than a nominal amount as he in regression and coming off a poor season as part of that regression. To the extent the Oilers made a 2, 3, 4 round run and Green showed well, that would show me that he had something left that maybe warranted a real contract.

He didn’t do that so I’m not willing to give the man such a contract.

I disagree with the original suggestion that “he didn’t show up when it mattered”, which I took as a jab to his opting out, as a reason.

Sunnyboy

Boy oh boy, a 2player team misses the playoffs 3 years in a row with 97 and 29and the #5D, KR4 is the scapegoat, send him out. Bring back the same cast next year and expect better results, what does that mean again! A borderline playoff team is their ceiling, we have a 3 year sample, that’s OK! KH should bring back Gagner and Green, what a help! The balance photo is near the end of a rainbow I fear.
Woodguy on Bob’s show this aft mentioned Larson, I concur. Jones and Lagesson are seasoned and ready for prime time.

Tarkus

Pronman just put up a post-lottery mock draft on The Athletic.

He has the Oilers taking a forward…but one who hasn’t been mentioned very often here. (I won’t mention who, respecting LT’s 24-hour article embargo.)

However, he also says that if Askarov gets past Minny at 9, the goalie is a possibility at 14.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: I agree with the “stop digging” – the team needs to get rid of dead cap hits, not incur more (hence the hesitation on a Neal buyout even considering the savings in the first three years).

With respect to the secondary point, I agree that he would likely be very tradeable at the deadline but that doesn’t help Holland’s team building in the off-season (and, of course, I think we all hope that we aren’t selling players at the deadline, right?).

My thought is if you move Benning you are saving 2 million. If the teams intention is to protect 7-3 then you leave Larson unprotected. Depending on who the Kracken pick you still have a good right side although somewhat thin. Both Benning and Larsson have injury problems. Benning concussions and Larsson a bad back. Holland is savey enough, to take everything into account. As fans we are not privy to many things. What may seem logical to us may in fact not be so.Nurse,Klefbom and Bear have to be protected. The upper limit for Jones and Lagesson are unknown at this time. Protecting four and four risks the loss of a winger that we don’t have cover for.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

€√¥£€^$: I read that too, but check this out.This goes much deeper than opinion and video analysis.

Lundell is now my #1 target for the Oil

https://www.silversevensens.com/2020/6/24/21301480/2020-nhl-draft-profile-anton-lundell-ottawa-senators-liiga-nhl

Solid write-up on the guy. Thanks for sharing it! He’s someone I generally ignored when I saw early birthday and below-average skating; gonna have to look into him some more.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar: I understand the differences in how the two lotteries were held.

I’m talking about the premise of the NHL fixing lotteries – if that is something they did, or were willing to do, Connor McDavid would not be an Oiler.

The NHL does not fix lotteries.

I agree it difficult to fix the lottery. This supplementary lottery I felt should be number balls with each team drawing a number without anyone knowing. Look at the picture in the Journal.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/new-york-rangers-win-the-alexis-lafreniere-lottery-edmonton-oilers-set-to-pick-14th

digger50

OriginalPouzar: didn’t show up because of a world wide pandemic due to a virus and having a history of viral infections that attacked his liver causing him to shut down seasons.

I don’t want Green back either (I was hopeful for him to play in the playoffs and show what he’s got left) but can’t agree at all with the reason above.

You really must not base all your decisions on a four game sample size.

OriginalPouzar

flyfish1168:
That process was different with numbered balls. This one he can clearly see which team logo ball was near the tunnel.

I understand the differences in how the two lotteries were held.

I’m talking about the premise of the NHL fixing lotteries – if that is something they did, or were willing to do, Connor McDavid would not be an Oiler.

The NHL does not fix lotteries.

OriginalPouzar

digger50: No to Green. Didn’t show up when it counted.

didn’t show up because of a world wide pandemic due to a virus and having a history of viral infections that attacked his liver causing him to shut down seasons.

I don’t want Green back either (I was hopeful for him to play in the playoffs and show what he’s got left) but can’t agree at all with the reason above.

OriginalPouzar

€√¥£€^$: I’d be all over Derek Ryan as a 4C.

He’d be a great placeholder for McLeod for 1 year or so.

I think he’d be the 3C on the Oilers – 30 points and $3.1M.

I would love for Haas to show that type of offensive production next year but he’s likely more suited to the 4C role.

OriginalPouzar

€√¥£€^$: I read that too, but check this out.This goes much deeper than opinion and video analysis.

Lundell is now my #1 target for the Oil

https://www.silversevensens.com/2020/6/24/21301480/2020-nhl-draft-profile-anton-lundell-ottawa-senators-liiga-nhl

Thank you for that – very detailed write up.

OriginalPouzar

godot10:
I wonder what the Flames would think of Kris Russell (50% retained) for Sam Bennett.(or Derek Ryan, no salary retention on Russell).

It probably depends on what happens with all of the UFA’s on Calgary’s blue whether they want a cheap veteran to be #7.

Bennett has never really fit in there. One figures Gawdin is about ready for a spot.And they will need every penny if they are bringing in Hall.

Kris Russell for Derek Ryan, perhaps.

(I sort of want to run Athanasiou, McDavid, BennettOR Bennett, McDavid, Puljujarvi).

Worst case, you get a 3rd line centre out of Bennett.

Athanasiou, Bennett, Kassian/Archibald.Bennett will stir stuff up, which would wake Kassian out of his all too frequent slumber.

With Gio, Hannifin, Valimaki and Kylington, I don’t think they will be looking at Rusty and they’d probably re-sign Fobert if they wanted a depth guy – not to mention Gustafsson.

flyfish1168

godot10:
I wonder what the Flames would think of Kris Russell (50% retained) for Sam Bennett.(or Derek Ryan, no salary retention on Russell).

It probably depends on what happens with all of the UFA’s on Calgary’s blue whether they want a cheap veteran to be #7.

Bennett has never really fit in there. One figures Gawdin is about ready for a spot.And they will need every penny if they are bringing in Hall.

Kris Russell for Derek Ryan, perhaps.

(I sort of want to run Athanasiou, McDavid, BennettOR Bennett, McDavid, Puljujarvi).

Worst case, you get a 3rd line centre out of Bennett.

Athanasiou, Bennett, Kassian/Archibald.Bennett will stir stuff up, which would wake Kassian out of his all too frequent slumber.

It would take a lot to get Bennett out of Calgary. They love his truculence. They absolutely will not take Russell back. They have enough Dmen at the farm to cover.

OriginalPouzar:
Isn’t the fact that the Oilers won the lottery for McDavid pretty much irrefutable evidence that the NHL does not rig draft lotteries to try and place players in their preferred regions?

That process was different with numbered balls. This one he can clearly see which team logo ball was near the tunnel.