Stadium Love

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers delivered the strongest game of the season on Sunday night under the bright lights of Commonwealth Stadium. So many positives it almost washes away a baffling October 2023. Almost.

THE ATHLETIC!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: NAS, PHIL (Expected 2-0-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: NYR, CAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-2-0, 12 points in 8 games
  • Actual October results: 2-5-1, 5 points in 8 games
  • Oilers in 2023-24: 2-5-1, 5 points in 8 games

THE NUMBERS

It’s always a good thing when I can’t decide who to feature on the cover. I went with Evander Kane, who was everything this team needs him to be last night. I thought about Stuart Skinner and Leon Draisaitl as options. Both men were splendid. A hat tip to the rugged and filthy Darnell Nurse, who played defense the way this author likes to see it played.

The numbers above show the top two lines as magic, but the bottom six is not delivering. I wrote about Raphael Lavoie as a recall option for The Athletic today, I hope you read it. That young man is hammering that recall drum like Dick Pound at a drug-testing convention.

Don’t be completely sold on this team. The defense is coming around, Stuart Skinner is settling in. The top two lines rattle and hum. Ken Holland needs to fix the cap and the bottom six. He can start by recalling Lavoie

Woodguy runs these every game and holy hell there’s a lot to unpack. If you argue deploying 97-29 after these results, while knowing McDavid’s injury, I don’t think that’s wise. The third and fourth lines are trash. Ken Holland has Raphael Lavoie on the farm. This is madness.

At noon today on Sports 1440, we’ll talk Oilers-Flames and why a better test versus the Dallas Stars will tell us more. Jason Gregor will be by and we’ll talk NFL and MLB. You can reach me in the comments section, @Lowetide on twitter, or text us 1.833.401.1440 directly.

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Reja

So Dallas probably starts Wedgewood against Calgary Wednesday and we see Ottinger Thursday on a back to back and 3 games in 4 nights. We sure managed to eff up this easy slate to start the season sometimes it’s better to play the elite teams early before they find their rhythm.

Bruce McCurdy

Worked for Vancouver

Reja

I hated Tocchet when he was with the Flyers ultra competitive one of the more underrated power forwards ever. Tocchet knows the importance of a top 5 Goalie as well as a top tier 1D. The Canucks have many holes but between the said above I wouldn’t hang my hat on them fading in fact they may surge.

Harpers Hair

Those pesky Ducks win again…their third straight…to move into a wildcard spot.

Frank Vatrano scores again and is tied for the league lead with 9.

Kraken win too…Yamamoto scored again.

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winchester

I logged in specifically to tell you that you are a dick.

Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville

No, I can actually have a modicum of respect for a dick, we can all be dicks, and sometimes it’s actually necessary to be one. He’s just an idiot, through and through, like what kind of sad human, day in and day out continually and seemingly has these behaviors?

I honestly cannot comprehend the sad fragility of whatever it is that drives people like that, but it honestly makes me sad, as in some kind of mental illness. I just hope he finds whatever it is he needs and is looking for someday so he can start maintaining some kind of normal life.

TheMoops

Long time lurker, first time poster. I created an account specifically to tell you that your behaviour on this blog is extremely weird and I often wonder what satisfaction you get out of posting this stuff.

Side

This is probably the only blog HH isn’t banned from.

For every LT who is kind and patient, there is a HH who is there to take advantage of it.

Even excluding HH’s rabid and obsessive hatred for the Oilers that he craps out onto his keyboard obsessively, he has made posts which would have had him banned from any other site, many times.

kgo

Every great story has a villain…I hate to say it but HH adds value to the experience by playing the foil.

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Side

I don’t think “value” is the word I would use.

HH frequently makes up stats, posts false or misleading information and often just lies about things. Doesn’t seem like much of a value add to me.

meanashell11

He’s also a welcher.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

McLeod, Holloway, Ryan, Janmark, Erne, and Brown combing for zero goals and 1 point seems like it could be an issue.

frjohnk

2020-21
Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP 6.12 GF%66
Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP 10.62 GF%50
w/o Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP10.12 GF%57.89
w/o Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP22.01 GF%35.8

2021-22
Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP3.70 GF%54.84
Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP12.93 GF%60.87
w/o Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP12.40 GF%53.76
w/o Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP20.29 GF%42.03

2022-23
Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP5.86 GF%57.14
Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP10.23 GF%53.09
w/o Connor McDavid Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP10.00 GF%47.73
w/o Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP22.33 GF%55.22

The major issue isn’t really whether McDavid/ Drai play together or on separate lines, its what happens when both are not on the ice.

As for them playing a couple of minutes more than other forwards in the league, that’s basically 1 shift more per period. With all the tv timeouts, the extra TOI they have is at the bottom of any concerns.

Over the last 3 years, when trailing, McDavid and Drai play together 25% of the time at 5 on 5. With a GF/60 of 3.5 and GF% of 57.1%

Over the last 3 years, when leading, McDavid and Drai play together 15% of the time at 5 on 5. With a GF/60 of 5.4!!! and GF% of 64.6%.

Side note: Last year the Flyers Habs and Islanders on the PP had a GF/60 less than 5.4!!!

I would also suspect that when the Oilers are on a losing skid, McDavid and Draisaitl are loaded up on the top line.

As Bruce pointed out to me, it’s now 4 coaches who have not been afraid to load them up at different times during the year and at different times during the game. And I would suspect if any of us were to coach this team, we would do the same.

kinger_OIL

— Maybe they are elite players that when they play together they “seem” like all-timers. After all how many teams have their best two players play together the majority of the time (and none as talented as McD)

— Heresay I know but maybe if they play with javerage wingers (that most other teams stars get to play with) they are “best in League” rather than “all time”.

— Because their lines ought to be elite when centering seperate lines if they are both the best. Their wingers aren’t plugs. . Maybe they aren’t as good individually as we think. Full stop.

kinger_OIL

— This would then be a rational deployment by all coaches so far: “yeah they are good but not good enough to carry their own lines so we need to stack them and the results are amazing when they play together”

— because I don’t t believe there aren’t 4 wingers on our team that aren’t top 2 lines on most teams. Sure maybe not the best wingers but they don’t suck.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

IIRC you proudly proclaimed you were done with Oilers mgmt and only wanted to cheer for innovators.

How’d the much lauded Jays management go for you this season?

Saw some truly innovative things there in the playoffs, nevermind that ultra overrated bat who can’t run a base to save his life. The pitcher who melted down four separate times in one season. Etc etc.

No wonder you’ve been saucy to start this year.

OriginalPouzar

How many teams in the league do not have their two top offensive forwards on the same line (generally)?

Ryan

Last year, crazy stat.

Leon+McDavid+Nurse. 216 minutes. GF 45.6%

Connor+Leon -Nurse. 253 minutes. GF 65.6%

Connor +Nurse -Leon. 327 minutes. GF 43%

Connor -Nurse -Leon. 511 minutes. GF 59%

Leon + Nurse – Connor. 346 minutes. GF 46%

Leon -Nurse -Connor. 453 minutes. Gf 49%

Nurse -Connor -Leon. 634 minutes. GF 65%

Pretty crazy to lose all of those minutes with Nurse and Connor or Leon or both.

Does Nurse pair with those two like Chianti and tuna salad or is just reflective of the top of the order getting caved playing the best players on other teams?

samIam

The negatives aren’t so negative when you use +/-. If you do evens instead of 5v5 the picture is brighter still.

Leon+McDavid+Nurse. 216 minutes. GF 45.6% -2
Connor+Leon -Nurse. 253 minutes. GF 65.6%. +10
Connor +Nurse -Leon. 327 minutes. GF 43%. +4
Connor -Nurse -Leon. 511 minutes. GF 59%. +9
Leon + Nurse – Connor. 346 minutes. GF 46%. -3
Leon -Nurse -Connor. 453 minutes. GF 49%. -1
Nurse -Connor -Leon. 634 minutes. GF 65%. +15

Ryan

w/o Connor McDavid w/o Leon Draisaitl TOI/GP22.33 GF%55.22

The last year the Pens won the cup. They had 24 minutes per game without their glimmer twins on the ice. That’s only a minute and a half per game more than the Oilers last year. 49% GF.

samIam

2020-21 to present

Oilers win% when trailing after 2 periods: .218 (5th)
Oilers win% when leading after 2 periods: .888 (10th)

Harpers Hair

Fun fact.

With Quinn Hughes on the ice, the Canucks have outscored the opposition 16-2

9-1 at evens.

He might be pretty good.

innercitysmytty

Here’s another fun one! He’s outpacing his shot share in goal share by a cool 37.73%, so I’m sure that goal share will stay at 90% all year.

Last edited 1 year ago by innercitysmytty
Reja

He’s going to be in the Norris trophy discussion looks like Tocchet paired him
with the right partner. If Demko stays healthy Tocchet will get this team in the playoffs.

jp

If Demko stays healthy Tocchet will get this team in the playoffs.

Be interesting to see.

Their points percent is tied for 6th but their shot share is 24th.

meanashell11

Fun fact. No one here cares. Go away. How old are you again?

Harpers Hair

You’re in luck!

I was diagnosed with cancer today.

innercitysmytty

Hope they caught it early and it’s nothing too serious.

Last edited 1 year ago by innercitysmytty
Harpers Hair

Thanks. Too early to tell.

Genjutsu

That’s awful.

I hope you get well soon.

Cancer sucks.

rich tm

Sorry to see this. Hope that they are able to treat it. I don’t wish this on anyone.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

This is sad news and I’m hoping for the best for you. I wish you all the strength and am hoping you battle this thing the same way you battle here.

F*ck cancer HH, kick it where the sun don’t shine!

Ginch

“Don’t be completely sold on this team”, that’s some All-World trolling right there!

1952barry

Kane played his best game in a long time last night. What have McLeod, Holloway, Brown, Janmark, Ryan and Erme done recently? Do Brown and MacLeod need an AHL tune up? Are Holloway, Erme, Ryan,and Janmark truly top 12 forwards in the organization? Five years of Holland and Wright and that’s all there is?

Elgin R

brown needs to be released $3 mill not worth what he has brought (NOTHING). get rid of the bum

Reja

It’s not going to happen but at least get rid of Erne. Send down Broberg if your not going to play him this lunacy of 10-7 and double shifting a ailing Connor must end now. Why is no one grilling Woody and Holland is it fear of losing their job. Could the lackeys be part of the Holland VIP club. I’ll go with door number 2 Monty.

OriginalPouzar

There is no realistic world where either Ryan McLeod nor Connor Brown are being put on waivers.

jp

Well it’s been 4 years and change.

And Holland inherited:
Forwards
Nuge-McDavid-Kassian
Lucic-Draisaitl-Gagner
Khaira-Brodziak-Rieder
Gambardella-Cave-Rattie
Benson-Marody-Yamamoto (all rookies)

Defense
Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russell
Sekera-Benning (Sekera broken)
Manning-
(Jones, Bear, Bouchard)

Goalies
Koskinen-(Skinner)
(I think I’ve got that right)

Now what there is, is:
Forwards
Kane-McDavid-Hyman
Nuge-Draisaitl-Foegele
Holloway-McLeod-Brown
Janmark-Ryan-Lavoie
Erne-Pederson-Gagner

Defense
Nurse-Ceci
Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais
Broberg
(Niemalainen, Gleason, Hoefenmayer, Kemp, Dineen)

Goalies
Skinner-Campbell

There were legitimately only 3 or 4 top 9 forwards on the roster Holland inherited. There were more D but major attrition issues there as well.

Also a 25th overall finish in 2018-19 vs a 6th overall finish 4 years later.

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kinger_OIL

— In 21 when Tampa won McDrai over 22 TOI/GP.

— Brayden was their top TOI @ 18:26. Stamkos 18:16. That’s 4 minutes less a game FFS!

Matt Damon in Rounders: “Are you satisfied now? Because I could keep busting you up all night”

— Either McDrai aren’t good enough to be elite Cs on two lines or the organization has just failed them.

— Because playing McDrai all the time together lots hasn’t worked before, won’t work better now and isn’t what cup winners do. For sure this is correct full stop.

Scungilli Slushy

It’s the GM. He hasn’t found what they need (unlucky with Kane getting hurt). Holland is in over his head with this team, at his age and drive level given the stage of career and past accomplishments, and the expectations having been gifted a GOAT type of player

I don’t know if the BoB are still inserting themselves in operations or the owner. That of course mitigates things. However being Capped Out, can’t find players etc, is self inflicted.

He can’t trade well enough to do what the cream of the league do yearly. Creative deals that change the team positively, and the cap. Like the beauty Hughes/Gorton did this summer

As LT says there is also that he thinks these players are good enough as a group because they lost to two eventual Cup winners. That’s one way of looking at things, I don’t concur. Better every year, push ahead all the time. Your competitors are. Things change, players degrade

wood99

I agree the Oilers should recall Lavoie. I think people are forgetting K Gretzky input on this. He runs Bakersfield and has a lot of input on who gets recalled.I think that is where some of angst with the fan base should be directed.

wheatnoil

What was that MacTavish line? We have a lot of guys where the best they’re going to be in a night is a non-factor?

That’s where we’re at with the bottom 6 (bottom 5?) through 8 games.

Last year, Derek Ryan and Ryan McLeod (‘Ryan Ryan’ has a ‘Duran Duran’ ring to it, so maybe they should start a band) were instrumental to making the Bottom 6 hum.

This year, the offence has dried a bit.

Derek Ryan Last Season (This Season)
2.82 xGF/60 (2.03 xGF/60 through 8 games)
2.08 xGA/60 (2.00 xGA/60)

Ryan McLeod Last Season (This Season)
2.95 xGF/60 (2.46 xGF/60 through 8 games)
2.30 xGA/60 (2.22 xGA/60)

In both cases, the defence is fairly similar. They’re not giving much up. The extra offence they created has dried by half to three-quarters of an expected goal per 60 minutes. They’ve gone from being low event but positive contributors to low event non-factors.

It’s only 8 games. Old Ryan is getting old and Young Ryan is a young sophomore. But I wonder if there’s a side effect of playing 11-7 here? I’m not sure why that would be as the 4th line gets some boost with Drai or McDavid. But maybe it makes the lines feel a little rocky?

Or is it the wingers? Last year, McLeod played most commonly with Foegele (by far). Puljujarvi, Derek Ryan, and Holloway were a more distant 2nd-4th. This year he’s most consistently stapled to Holloway and Brown (who I mentioned yesterday was getting PDO-ed to death), with Foegele and Kane a distant 3rd/4th.

Last year Derek Ryan consistently played with Devin Shore (who thought I’d miss him?), with Kostin, Holloway, and McLeod a distant 2nd-4th. This year he’s most consistently with Erne and Janmark, with Holloway and Draisaitl a distant 3/4. (In case you’re wondering, he did well with Draisaitl, poor with Holloway but the minutes are too small to read anything into.)

Something isn’t rhyming. I wonder about putting Ryan and Ryan together on the 3rd line (maybe Brown or Janmark plays drums?) and giving Holloway/Lavoie the 4th to play shifts with Draisaitl. Or maybe Holloway needs a veteran skill C like Sam Gagner to show him the ropes a bit against soft comp as forwards 10/11 in an 11 forward roster, with Drai, McDavid, or Nuge alternating shifts on the wing? (If you haven’t guessed, I’m sending Erne down for somebody… either Lavoie or Gagner or Nick Rhodes.)

If either McLeod or Ryan could find their 2022/23 form, it would really give the overall offence a bit of a boost.

godot10

Woodcroft isn’t giving the bottom six enough ice time early in the season. He is in full desparation playoff mode already. (And he chose some wrong guys to be there in the bottom six, like Erne).

Woodcroft doesn’t use enough players. The players he overuses get tired. The players he underuses take till January to get started.

Play a system and let the system win games, by using most of the roster in appropriate roles and deployment.

Holloway isn’t going to get better if you don’t play him. He is not playing badly, but he isn’t playing enough to really feel comfortable and push. Ditto for Broberg. Playing 12-13 minutes like Holloway and under 10, like Broberg, they are going out there and trying to make sure nothing bad happens. The coash isn’t showing confidence.

The stopgap vets get more icetime, and are permitted to make mistakes. The veteran D and the offensive wiz are permitted to get their ice time, even though they have made braindead mistakes, particularly Bouchard.

Holloway and Broberg are terrified of losing what ice time they do get, so they don’t play fully free.

It’s is effing horrible coaching on the part of Woodcroft. It takes a team to win, all the players contributing to their potential.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

All the more baffling, is that Woody made a statement trusting/elevating the younger players when he arrived to replace Tippett. That was a big part of the secret sauce that got the team going.

Why the big departure?

Harpers Hair

Who do you think might be making personnel decisions?

I expect a player is exerting tremendous influence.

jp

All the more baffling, is that Woody made a statement trusting/elevating the younger players when he arrived to replace Tippett. 

That is largely a narrative though.

McLeod played more after Woodcroft arrived, and more young D played games in the 11/7 format, but Bouchard’s ice time was slashed and Puljujarvi also lost a couple of minutes per game (though that was largely due to Kane’s arrival).

This year McLeod is still playing 3C minutes (a shade more per game than he played last season) and Holloway is over 12 minutes per game (2.5 min more per game than last season). Broberg remains stuck at 12 minutes per game, which is a concern, but that’s largely due to them often playing 11/7. None of them have a single point through 8 games, but it’s not because they’re getting less playing time than they were previously.

I really don’t think Woodcroft has altered his deployment of young player in any notable way. Things tend to look rosy when everything is clicking and look like shite when the train is off the rails.

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OriginalPouzar

The GM also talks about needing young player on cheap contracts pressing and making impacts but then his coach doesn’t play some of those young players (mainly Broberg) that are on the team and he doesn’t provide some of the others that could provide an impact.

Last edited 1 year ago by OriginalPouzar
OriginalPouzar

Don’t see that Adam Erne is on waivers – there is time before Thursday but they should want to get Lavoie called up an practicing with the top 9.

Perhaps Janmark’s arm in a sling means he’ll be headed to LTIR as another possible way to call up Lavoie (I’d prefer Janmark on the roster over Erne, of course).

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Results vs effort and which results or efforts are we talking about? Do we value performance or execution? Do we weight them differently over sample sizes?

LT has chosen to highlight results. Gord awful goals for and against for the bottom six. OP who I believe has an astute eye has zeroed in on McLeod for demotion. Its too early to bang a hard drum on results. In small sample sizes, to start a season, talking mostly veterans and with lots of guys coming back from injuries we should weight process more than results for now. Over a longer stretch, say 12-18 games, results will show a bit better, but even then that’s a small sample size over an 82 game season.

McLeod is running >53% xGF, is rocking a superb 59.2 SCF%, and is tied for the 5th lowest total SCA on the team (he and Brown are tied). Brown is generating CF events on the bubble of a top six pace, he’s rocking a 61.3% SCF%, he’s got a 61.5% SF% which is the highest on the team, and he’s got a 60.4% HDCF%. He’s a little shy on overall HDCF generation. For both players the generation rates for CF, SF, HDCF have been tracking upwards for three games. These guys aren’t getting results but the process numbers are very good.

When I look at these stats and then I watch the lines they match up. The ice is tilted in a good way when these players are on the ice. They are outplaying their opposition by a wide swath most of the time. In a small sample size they are getting goalered 0-2 and 0-4 respectively both with PDO’s in 0.934 range. We can be less than thrilled with the results here, but its very clear theses guys are playing the right way. They are doing what you want them to do and they are clearly beating their opposition.

The results aren’t shocking when we contextualize them with known player attributes and are absolutely no cause for concern until the sample size grows.

McLeod needs to assert himself offensively. That has always been my worry with him. He doesn’t trust his speed, his shot or his own creativity consistently yet especially in a cycle game. He’s been trending up for three games but needs to find another gear. Defensively he’s been excellent and its why the coach has him at a 43% OZS rate. He’s getting more responsibility at other game states and he’s earning that. He needs to add the offensive chunk. He’s done it in spurts, he needs to find the consistency.

Brown scores his goals in tight and through timing plays like the California tips and flybys. He has a good strong shot but its complimentary to how he scores. Scoring goals this way requires tight timing with teammates and of course getting greasy and mucking it up in the battle areas. Both are well known issues for players moving to new teams and players coming back from ACL surgery where they’ve missed a year. Despite those known headwinds, Brown is very clearly outplaying the opposition and in the last three games has started generating CF and SF events at a top six pace. When he starts scoring we’ll notice him taking less stand alone shots less or at least that’s how it will appear.

This is already too long so there’s no time to dig deep into Holloway. He’s playing very well and his for% are very good. He’s more high event than McLeod/Brown which is a function of getting some at bats with the big guys but also an eye test of him being more high event. Very positive arrows for this player. As long known his generation stats are a bit shy so same issues as McLeod re: offensive output. He’s cleaned up his two way game so far this year which is a positive.

These men are playing very good NHL hockey. Yes the results are shy, but the ice is tilted. Three straight games pushing up their shots and chance generation means they aren’t getting frustrated, no they are playing better and hard.

No punishments, nope, nada not now. No callups and no demotions yet.

They are playing the right way and they are winning that time. Be patient.

jtblack

I just appreciate that you took that much time to write this out. WELL DONE 🙂

OriginalPouzar

I haven’t zeroed on in McLeod for demotion, I have zeroed in on Adam Erne not being a good enough hockey player to be in the Oilers’ lineup.

Its not just that he isn’t “helping” its that he’s also making active mistakes.

That one shift last night where he was responsible (at least partially) for two straight icings and then a 3rd defensive zone facoeff in a row by not getting a puck out is not acceptable for a depth player.

The Oilers have a prospect that is dominating the AHL, after being one of its better players for a good 2/5 of last season. He’s 23 and he’s earned NHL games.

The McLeod to the 4th line as 4C is simply one of a few ways that Lavoie can be deployed in the top 9.

I think we can all agree the Adam Erne is, well, not good enough. I think we can all agree the Lavoie is pressing hard. I think we can all agree that 4-6 minutes playing with Ryan on the 4th line is not ideal for Lavoie.

There are ways to make it work with Lavoie on the roster.

Its not about demoting McLeod, its about deploying the 12 forwards in a way that makes sense.

samIam

McLeod and Ryan have positive on-ice shot share, but they are generating a lower rate of individual expected goals. Brown is generating a high rate.

McLeod ranks last among forwards for iHDCF60 presently.

McLeod is good at moving the puck up the ice, but doesn’t get to the blue paint. He’s going to have a lower on-ice SH% because of this.

So, I would say the characterizations of McLeod as “tilting the ice” but also being a “perimeter player” are reflected in the data.

McLeod, Ryan and Janmark all have an aversion to taking the body, which isn’t necessarily what you want in the bottom six, particularly if they aren’t scoring.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Yup I agree with this. It’s the most frustrating thing because McLeod has the speed, hands and in tight skills to make plays in the paint. He’s gun shy though, he doesn’t trust himself to take the puck to the hole, at least not consistently.

This will come though, we need to be patient. Foegele had this exact problem last year, and then he started trusting himself, he realized taking a shot and not scoring is still a better outcome than swooping along the boards and passing to Kulak for 50fter. It will come, he’s doing the right things everywhere else.

jfry

has anyone been paying attention to beau akey this year? this was supposed to be his big breakout year, but he’s third in scoring for dmen on his team, and not getting first pp time. big adjustment to be made based on our initial thoughts of him going 80+ points with Clarke gone. Undrafted 20 year old Punnett eating up all his points.

Any insights appreciated if you’ve watched or paid attention to Barrie.

Harpers Hair

Akey does have 2 PP points while Punnet has 5.

The most remarkable thing is Canucks third round pick RHD Hunter Brzustewicz leading all OHL scorers with 25 points in 13 games.

PinkSocks

Future Norris potential eh?

Harpers Hair

Way too early but he’s on a torrid pace and shows no signs of slowing down.

jfry

from a recent athletic article:

In a matter of weeks after returning from Edmonton, he got sick, broke his nose and hurt his ankle blocking a shot in the Colts’ Oct. 13 game against Kitchener, missing the rest of that game and one more the following night.

kinger_OIL

— Re:Pittsburgh and cups am usage.

— In 2017 guess who was 4th TOI/game played all 82 games over 21 mins per gameand was 4th?

— Crosby averaged less than 20mins per game. Malkin less than Drai that year @18:37 per game.

— I know I’m right about this. The deployment of McDrai by the Oil has been a fail. Always. Never change.

— Only rarely do cup teams win by playing their best players the most in the league.

— Last year Vegas didn’t not even close.

— McKinnon Amd Mikko played more than a minute less than league winners TOI/game McDrai

— It just doesn’t work. They play too much too much together. Dumb

Harpers Hair

A function of a bottom 6 that can’t piss a drop.

The Oilers have 7 regulars without a single point on the season.

Vegas has zero.

JJS

100%

At the very least, we need a third line that can chip in and be trusted for 15 mins

The fourth line is lest critical but 11-7 for the entire season is a fool’s errand

Harpers Hair

The Vegas third line currently has 6 goals and 17 points.

Thats a 50 goal 130 point pace.

kinger_OIL

— I won’t believe that McD with two of our current wingers (sans Drai) isn’t top 3 as a first line

— Drai with two other wingers has to be one of the best 2nd lines in the league.

— At worst Nuge and wingers league average.

— Then coach up an effective style for 4th line.

— This has to be better than one all-star line being over played. Put all star line together a few minutes a game. PP#1.

— Or maybe we just over value McDavd: and in the absence of Drai he’s not elite.

— And maybe Drai isn’t as good as we think he is and he’s not élite without McDavid.

— That could be the case: they just pad their stats by playing lots of minutes together but alone the drop off is so significant that they are in different brackets as individual players. Perhaps this is closer to the truth

Harpers Hair

Yep.

Cup winners have depth throughout.

Vegas showed how effective they can be by limiting McDrai damage and crushing the rest.

McSorley33

Chicken or Egg though?

If you only play them 2 shifts per period….hard to do too much.

Harpers Hair

Playing a loaded top line that gets exhausted over time will lead to positive results.

Ryan

It’s easy to forget, but those Pens cup winning teams were all actually really good hockey teams. For example, they could go on extended winning streaks during the regular season with both Sid and Geno on the shelf. The way Holland’s built these Oilers, I’m not sure they could win a game if they’re missing both Leon and Connor.
Letang was a much more impactful defender than Nurse.

Scungilli Slushy

Especially when the coach isn’t good at coaching the group up or balancing what he has. That is why some teams roll through many challenges. Everyone on board and playing enough to step up. Of course you need good players but players playing their best also works

Ryan

Working on my phone here, so JP can check my homework.

In 2008-9. During the regular season, the Pens sawed off the Crosby minutes and the non glimmer twins minutes, but owned the Geno minutes.61.54%

For the 2009 playoffs, the Pens got caved with the glimmer twins off (41.4% GF), sawed off with Geno, but owned the Crosby minutes.

For 15-16 regular season. Crosby 59%, Geno 52%, no glimmer twins 53%

playoffs 45% Crosby, 55% Geno, 60% no glimmer.

For 16-17 regular season, Crosby 58%, Geno 62%, no glimmer 49%.

16-17 playoffs.Crosby 50%, Geno 58, no glimmer 51.4.

Possibly due to better linemates, goaltending, and Letang… but the PENS glimmer twins rarely played together at 5v5, won their minutes except Crosby during the 2016 playoffs. Their teams generally won the goal share with them on the bench except for the 2009 playoffs.

OriginalPouzar

I need to eat some crow.

I posted last night after Derek Ryan lost two consecutive defensive zone faceoffs, clean, on the 5 on 3 about him being on this team primarily for his faceoffs, etc., etc.

Well, as it turns out, those were the only two faceoffs he lost (he was 6-2), I saw him make some nice defensive plays in the neutral zone and a nice play on the empty netter.

He had a good game in his apx 10 minutes.

Reja

I like Ryan he can be effective in stretches but he shouldn’t be used in every game. Woody needs help in the bottom six. If Holland has such a hard on for Lavoie sign Gagner and get him up here ASAP. Pederson is hurt so he’s out of the mix and do you really want to bring up Bourgault this early.

OriginalPouzar

Raphael Lavoie has been named AHL player of the week:

https://twitter.com/Condors/status/1719037003789209789

Rogue

Lol. The hits just keep on coming! Management can not continue to turn a blind eye to Lavoie, Can they? Well, maybe they can.

Reja

The Lackeys won’t even say a word about this honour and his play down on the farm. Gregor Spector Stuffer will not mention the idea of bringing up Lavoie unless someone prods them into it.

OriginalPouzar

Jason Gregor

@JasonGregor
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Oct 29

Great tilt and impressive overall game for Lavoie. He keeps gaining confidence.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

I think Holland is referring to a broader issue with young player growing pains.

Its great to be Top Hat in the CHL, ECHL and then the AHL. Its very hard to be Top Hat in the NHL, where coaches have games to win, players have histories and chemistries with each other, nevermind the established roles on a team.

I believe some of the early season intel last year with Lavoie was commitment to what the coaches were selling. Consistency in effort shift to shift, game to game and then buy in with strategy and roles.

There is no room for Lavoie in a top six role with the Oilers. One has to have him on the 3rd line at best, but likely 4th line given the process numbers Holloway-McLeod-Brown are putting up. Does Lavoie want to fill that role right now? Will he buy into Kostin level of impact on 5-9min. per game? Will he do that playing with veterans who he is obviously more skilled than? All of those ideas must be weighed against him kicking ass on the top line in the A for now. This isn’t to type cast the guy or call into question his character but we know the transition from junior to pro and then pro to the NHL humbles a lot of players. And it can be a frustrating experience if you aren’t ready for it. No harm in that, players come along at different times.

These are legitimate questions and are contextualizing factors for where Lavoie plays hockey in the Oilers system. He is playing excellent, top line rates in the AHL and he’s forcing the issue on the Oilers. Good stuff, keep pushing, injuries and circumstances of the big club will change. Keep pushing, keep scoring and be patient.

OriginalPouzar

I believe some of the early season intel last year with Lavoie was commitment to what the coaches were selling. Consistency in effort shift to shift, game to game and then buy in with strategy and roles.

There is no room for Lavoie in a top six role with the Oilers. One has to have him on the 3rd line at best, but likely 4th line given the process numbers Holloway-McLeod-Brown are putting up. Does Lavoie want to fill that role right now? 

Yes, he has had those consistency issues in his career – I’ve been watching the majority of his pro games and have posted about them for his entire pro career.

I also posted how, for the first time, since late December last year, he has been a different player as far as commitment to work and his consistency, shift to shift.

What we are seeing is that continue in to this year and its becoming his new game – a player that has matured with experience and development.

There is absolutely room to fit Lavoie in to a top 9 role.

There are various ways including moving McLeod to be the 4th line center which, to be honest and fair, is what his play has warranted.

Janmark/McLeod/Ryan is a fourth line that can take a regular shift.

Lavoie with, say, Nuge and Brown is a 3rd line that could tilt the ice.

McSorley33

Ha!

Classic…..

Reja

Huge win McDavid was running on adrenaline I noticed him seem to wince a few times on the bench. Too bad this win is only worth 2 points you can’t expect this team to run on a 10-7 deployment without more injuries happening because players are tired. If Holland is still on holidays Jackson needs to step in and waive Erne. Jackson should call up Lavoie before Holland gets back. Play Lavoie top 6 drop Brown to the 3rd line if McLeod is too good to get some dirt under is fingernails replace him with Malone. What day this week does Gagner sign? I’ll say tomorrow.

JOFA

Made me laugh. Thank you😆

McSorley33

Lets take the win….

But there is a, very, rancid odour coming from that Calgary flames team…..

Woof

John Chambers

The Calgary Flames are tragically bad.

There’ll be bones to pick from that team before the trade deadline.
Elias Lindholm might make a good RHC target. Chris Tanev could be a useful RD, but I think he’s nearing the end.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Can’t believe how much “punditry management” was going on before the season, trying to get some balance of commentators to say they would actually improve this year.

innercitysmytty

Yeah it was pretty nauseating and clearly off base in real time (no hindsight needed).

McSorley33

I thought it was worse last year.

Even some Edmonton media, Stauffer etc, etc…thought they would be better with Weegar, Huby etc,

McSorley33

Agreed. I think there will be some more turnover coming from Calgary.

Sounds like not a very harmonious locker room either…

OriginalPouzar

As bad as the Huburdeau contract is looking, the Kadri contract is just as bad and I was so happy the day they signed him to it.

The goal last night was his first of the year, and 2nd point, he’s 2-12 goals at evens and he’s got years left (after this one) at $7MM – he’s 33.

I think it’ll take $9MM plus to get Lindholm signed.

Melman

Was pleasantly surprised to see Janmark be the deserved HS last night. I assumed it would be Broberg or Erne, but Janmark was a spectator of epic proportions in the Ranger game. Multiple shifts where he didn’t move his feet and just coasted. Erne on the roster is indefensible for the GM. Seems like a bad message to the players as well to start the season. Hey fellas, go win the cup this year – best 4th line help we could come up with was a PTO guy. Really?

They clearly need more from 55 & 71. Q: is it 71 who’s holding back 55? We’re back to seeing perimeter McLeod and he’s soft like puddin’. As for Brown, I recall the verbal from day 1 being he would need 20-30 games to get up to speed, so patience is still in order.

Bruce McCurdy

He isn’t healthy. Took one for the team vs. Rangers, came back to finish the game, was wearing a sling at team events on the weekend.

fishman

I think Janmark injured????

Offside

Janmark has earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to effort, I would say. The injury explanation makes sense

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Oilers content on puckdoku.com today.

Not sure if anyone else does this, but I like to select an Oilers player for every square. Can result in some pretty low uniqueness scores.

AMD

They beat the 2nd worst team in the league, if points mean anything.

Ranford.85

I understand you’re trying to be negative, but a win is a win. Especially since this team usually plays down to their competition.

AMD

I’m living in reality.

teamblue

Were they supposed to change the schedule to play some other team for it to mean something to you?

AMD

Facts is never what this site stands for. So no surprise your reply and negative votes

Bruce McCurdy

They beat the 3rd worst team in the league, & passed them in the standings.

OriginalPouzar

The numbers above show the top two lines as magic, but the bottom six is not delivering. I wrote about Raphael Lavoie as a recall option for The Athletic today, I hope you read it. That young man is hammering that recall drum like Dick Pound at a drug-testing convention.

Firstly, should he be called up? Well, I have to say that watching the two Condors’ games this past Friday and Saturday were very enjoyable experiences and a big part of that was Lavoie bullying the AHL.

In four of his five games, Lavoie has been elite this season.

He is finding the space to get open for that one-timer and talented puck distributors like Gagner and Bourgalt are finding him and he is NOT missing. He is making one-touch passes in the neutral zone to send Hamblin in on breaks, he’s making plays at the defensive blue and he’s an absolute bully on the wall in the offensive zone and d-men are scared when he takes the puck to the net.

Now, there are two people in the org that need to do their jobs.

First is Holland. Is there anyone out there that thinks that Adam Erne should be on the NHL roster over Raphael Lavoie? I’m not talking deployment, I’m talking about straight up ability and potential impact. I’m sure that answer is no.

Holland expressed to Nugent-Bowman that the Oilers do not have time for “growing pains” which is why Lavoie can’t get on the team. What does that mean? I presume that means the “rookie mistakes” that he presumes Lavoie would make. Well, that no longer seems like a valid reason as 3/4 of the forward roster have been making mistakes all over the ice. They were much better last night as a group but I’m sure we all saw that one series by Erne in the first period. Twice he wasn’t able to make a play on the puck that led to an icing that, on the 3rd play, he failed to get it out at the defensive blue leading to a 3rd d-zone faceoff. Adam Erne makes plenty of mistakes and there is no reason to think that Lavoie would make a more, or more egregious, mistakes than Erne – or various other players.

Lavoie’s performance this past weekend, and through 5 games, is making is pretty much forcing Holland’s hand.

Now, the 2nd person that has to do their job is Jay Woodcroft which would be to actually play Lavoie in a top 9 role. He cannot just replace Erne on the 4th line and play 4-7 minutes with Janmark/Ryan. That does not make sense.

The Oilers have the roster that can clearly fit Lavoie in to a top 9.

I’m a big Ryan McLeod booster but, you know what, he’s playing like a 4C this season and, well, maybe he can move down to the 4th line (and he’ll still play on the PK) on merit and Nuge (or Holloway) can center that 3rd line.

Lavoie can be a top 9 winger on the Oilers for a few games.

I have zero confidence that Woodcroft will play him any more than the Erne replacement and, well, that will suck.

fishman

Agreed that bringing Lavoie up and playing him 4 minutes a game won’t accomplish much. Three goals last night from the D was awesome but bottom 6 not having any impact on the play. That needs to change. Swapping Lavoie for Erne is a no risk move and worth a shot.

rich tm

That last point seems reasonable given the coach’s track record. He’s going to run 11/7 and Lavoie will get the 4th line minutes of a Janmark or Ernie. Unfortunately.

jfry

is lavoie getting the samwise bump? but agreed that erne isn’t better than either. cap mgt for next year would be sending out erne and brown, and bringing up samwise and lavoie before the end of the week when brown’s insane bonus kicks in.

BustedSoulO

THIS!

OriginalPouzar

A hat tip to the rugged and filthy Darnell Nurse, who played defense the way this author likes to see it played.

Agree, 100%- Nurse was fantastic last night yet, at the same time, I read more about his “stupid penalty” then the fact he was a stud top pairing defensive d-man all night long.

Truth be told, he has been quite good all season long – yes, there was the one highly visible poor decision early but, generally, he’s been very very good this season.

Hat tip to Codi Ceci as well who, in my opinion, has been consistently solid all season long. Similar to 2021/22 – he gets very little credit and seems to have many that will not appreciate generally solid play despite continuing to being asked to do more than he really should be or that his cap hit generally requires.

Darryl8843

My guess is Lavoie isn’t getting the call because Woodcroft won’t play the kids. Look at Broberg. Maybe he doesn’t have the confidence of the coach but the kid has to play or get sent away. Sooner or later you have to find out what you got. To keep the bottom 6 status quo when they’ve accomplished little or nothing seems rather odd.

dustrock

Wasn’t able to watch the game, only the highlights.

Was there conclusive video that McDavid didn’t score on that early rush? Man it looked like the puck was in the back of the net but the highlights didn’t have any great angles.

Bruce McCurdy

Stuck in Markstrom’s pads, Real close to the goal line. Didn’t seem like they looked at it, maybe while play in progress. Not sure they had a proper overhead camera, or that it would have seen this puck anyway.

godot10

Toronto would have been looking at it while the play went on. And they would have signalled down at the next stoppage in play if it needed review. Or during play if it were conclusive.

Elgin R

Watched the game with my son in a Victoria bar last night (just in BC for the weekend). Last night is what NHL hockey is for, memories. Great night and better with the win. GOG.

jtblack

definitely. Was Great to see the Oilers play like they are capable.

And it is Great to see Calgary sucking. The Kadri / Huby deals will cost Calgary a decade of competitiveness!

teddyturnbuckle

Great game by the Oilers yesterday. The Flames look terrible. You could tell that the Oilers changed their system as D men were chasing guys out to the blue line. If Tampa won with that system it’s good enough for me. I think Vinnie is totally outplaying Broberg at this point. I almost think they should send Broberg down to play more. Wait for an injury. I think we can put the Holloway to the top 6 requests to bed as the guy looks like he has no hands. He needs to sleep with a puck or something as he can’t even make simple plays on the wall to get the puck out let alone score a goal. Holloway should simplify his game and play to his strengths. Dump it in and get after it with some big bodychecks. Throw everything at the net and crash the crease. This finesse game with Mcleod around the perimeter isn’t working. I’m not sure you can have Nuge and McLeod as 2c and 3c if you want to be serious in the playoffs. I think the team needs a different look.

godot10

Ceci in your top 4 is not good enough to win a Cup with unless one is extremely lucky.

From the NCAA, one learned that Holloway’s offense comes slowly and then all at once. Play him 15 minutes a game with McLeod and leave them be.

OriginalPouzar

Ceci is currently playing top competition again on the first pairing and playing similar to how he did when he was healthy in 2021/22.

Its not ideal to have him a 1RD but I don’t agree that a team cannot win the cup with him as 2RD.

frjohnk

Has anyone looked into when going with 11-7, do McDavid and Drai play together more at 5 on 5 than when 12-6?
Do they play more together at 5 on 5 when the team is behind ( not only during a game, but when on a losing streak?

This is the 3rd coach that seems to be doing this. Id probably do it too as when they are on, this nuclear option is incredible.

Bruce McCurdy

The 4th, actually. McLellan, Hitchcock, Tippett, Woodcroft all have done it.

SoCaloil

Everyone can agree that McDrai play too much esp when down.
I will consider last night as an outlier – Large, home crowd, outside rink, special event.
A hockey players dream!!
And every kids for that matter including a growing LT in the farmlands of SK
I bet McDrai wanted to be out there every shift.

The Lavoie >> Ernie may be true. But Ernie played < 4mins last night.
If Lavoie can play a half a season in the AHL and truly dominate every single night, then he’ll gain confidence and be ready to contribute in this league.
He deserves the opportunity but in the grand scheme of things it may not matter whether its at game 0, 20 or 42.

Clarkenstein

When you go 11/7 of course Drai is going to get more ice time. Who ya gonna throw out there? McLeod? He accomplishes nothing. The play is dying on his stick. Beautiful skater but that’s what Ice Capades are for.

godot10

Lavoie has to get up to speed by the playoffs. Actually by the trade deadline, because his progress affects decisions then. He should really be up now.

Zjunior

I don’t recall what the injury was to Ekholm that kept him out of the pre-season, but he still looks off to me. Bad pinches, kinda feet stuck in mud kinda thing. Has anybody heard anything?

meanashell11

Wasn’t it a hip or thigh issue?

Bruce McCurdy

Ekholm has been a long way removed from the problem-solver we saw down the stretch last year. He’s 33 with 3 years left on his contract. It’s a worry.

The injury was reported as a hip flexor.

innercitysmytty

“Long way removed” may be a bit of a stretch (pun intended). He missed all of pre-season, and probably still has something lingering, so is certainly not at his best for a whole 8 games! If this lingers a half season or more, and given his age like you say, then maybe we need to start to be a little concerned. It’s way too premature to be thinking this may be anything other than a minor injury at this point.

People like to tout being wary of small sample sizes, until there is a narrative to be drawn. This isn’t meant as a dig at your comment, just human nature.

Harpers Hair

Here is the BIG sample size.

https://hockeyviz.com/txt/age22

Bruce McCurdy

My definition of “a worry” is different from yours, I guess. I have lots of small worries.

I’ll stand by “long way removed” from last year’s very high level of play to this very early point, acknowledging your observation about training camp. Same as McLeod who I mentioned elsewhere in this comments section, except Ek is 33 not 24.

Hopefully both will come around in due course.

innercitysmytty

That’s fair. I initially read “long way removed” as a lot of games before I posted my response. When I re-read I see that you were conveying that the quality of his game was a long way removed. I still think it’s early given the circumstances, but agree the quality has dropped from a very high place to mediocre or slightly lower.

godot10

Ekholm missed training before camp and training camp. He is chasing his game at the moment. Which is why Bouchard starting the season with his head-up-his-a#@ again was such a bummer.

By the new year, Ekholm will be fine.

Shamus23

Is McLeod still hurt. He has been invisible. Unfortunately that 3rd line needs a much better C man right now.
But yes Lavoie needs to be here and probably on the R side of that 3rd line.

Rogue

I like his speed. Other than that not much. If you can get 60+ points a year you can get away with playing soft. He makes Mother Teresa look like Mike Tyson. You cant teach toughness. It is hard wired in you or it isnt. He makes it easy for the opposition. People are concerned about Holloway, and rightly so, but this is Ryans 4th year with the big club. He should be showing more than he is.

Bruce McCurdy

I’ve referred to McLeod as a “ghost” more than once so far this year.

He’s a strong 7th among Oilers forwards in ATOI (14:25 in 8 GP), but tied for last in shots on goal with just 5 to date. That’s tied for last with Adam Erne, who averages 8:19 in just 6 GP, less than 40% of the total minutes.

McLeod’s underlying shot shares are fine, but they seem to be empty calories to this point, even as in a given game a 0-0 outcome from third line minutes isn’t all bad. He is 0-2 on thne season at 5v5 in ~90 minutes.

After last year’s experience with both Yamamoto & Puljujarvi regressing after getting a substantial raise, the Oilers can’t afford another of their promising young players falling off a cliff. Not there yet with this payer just 10% into a season that he missed camp, but it is a concern to say the least.

Shamus23

Maybe that missing camp is obviously an issue. But is he still hurt I wonder

godot10

Run Holloway and McLeod 15 minutes a game with Brown or Lavoie on the right side, and they will figure it out.

Woodcroft has been jerking around McLeod’s wingers too much. One can play McLeod, because he doesn’t give up much defensely. He runs a low event line.

kinger_OIL

— Is the argument that you have to play McDrai because their numbers are really good together based on a large sample size and really poor apart based on a really small sample size?

— McDrai played 24 mins average yesterday. Dumb. Yeah they won game. Cup teams haven’t played their top guys as much as the Oil have. McDrai has lead league in Fs TOI/game. Every. year. Don’t win cup. Play. Them. Hard. Together. Always. Rinse. Repeat.

— There has to be some cause and effect.

Darth Tu

I’m normally all for keeping McDrai apart, however I agree with LT here. As long as McDavid is banged up (slightly or whatever it is now) then it’s best to pair him with Drai. Small sample size or not those numbers shine like a new car.

I agree on the TOI though. That parts is solved by having a better bottom six. As we’ve all been saying, call up Lavoie and that potentially helps with that. Heck if there’s a way to get one of Pedersen/Malone/Hamblin up to play 4C then I’d be doing that as well (blasted cap management). So for now bring up Lavoie and run him 3rd line. It can’t be any worse than what we have bottom 6 currently.

innercitysmytty

Agree their ice-time is too high overall. I would also like to see them split up more often than not. However, I believe Gregor did a dive a while back on the amount of time Connor and Leon play together compared to Malkin and Crosby when they were winning cups and it was very similar.

It’s a chicken and egg scenario right now with the bottom 6. Are they not getting ice-time because they are not scoring, or are the not scoring because they are not getting the ice-time? I think it’s the latter, and would be even more so if you subbed in Lavoie for Erne and played more games with 12-6. McLeod with Brown and Holloway as a third line and Ryan with Lavoie and Janmark as a fourth line should be productive enough until the deadline.

kinger_OIL

— I just believe there has to be a link between the rest of the Fs being “not good” and the time they play with the two best players.

— There is also a “cost” to the league leading for many years of McDrai TOI

— Sometimes in pre-season (this one the most recent) there is a bunch of rational discourse from team about the importance of breaking them up. Some new coaches come in and talk about it.

— It’s an organizational failure. Doing it again and again is really dumb. McDrai. Together. Always. Most ice time. Hasn’t won anything. Ever. Repeat. They don’t get this.

innercitysmytty

I agree with all of that. Time to reduce their average time on ice and give more responsibility to the bottom 6 and some of the other players in the top 6. My only quibble was how much they actually play together over the course of each season and the potential impact that may have on success.

jtblack

do you have the deep dive link or info? I just don’t remember Crosby and Malkin playing much together – besides the Power Play

innercitysmytty

My ability to find something like that online isn’t great, but I’ll see if I can. IIRC Crosby and Malkin played together somewhere in the 20-30% range ( can’t recall specific number) and that wasn’t significantly different than the overall amount that Connor and Leon played together. I don’t recall if Gregor isolated by game state or not. This article was during Tippet’s tenure I believe, so not directly applicable to today, but I’m not sure the percentages for Connor and Leon have changed that much.

OriginalPouzar

Auston Matthews currently leads NHL forwards in TOI/G. McDavid is 16th. Drai is 2nd.

Last year McDavid did lead the league by 4 seconds over MacKinnon and 10 seconds over Rantanen. Drai was 4th.

The prior year Drai led the league and Connor was 2nd.

The year before that, Marner and Kane led the league ahead of them.