Kerplunk

by Lowetide

Consistency is difficult under any circumstances. One can eat properly or avoid demon liquor during the week, but come Saturday night and it’s a different vibe.

The Edmonton Oilers, rarely a team to focus on defense, found lightning in a bottle when new head coach Kris Knoblauch arrived in town. With help from Paul Coffey and Mark Stuart, the club was making plays and using space and time to their advantage.

In the last two games, that has not been the case. It’s a good test for this club. How long does it take to snap back to what the group can provably do?

THE ATHLETIC!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • At home to: CAR, MIN, NJD, CHI, TBAY, FLA (Expected 3-3-0) (Actual 4-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, SJS, LAK, ANA (Expected 3-3-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-0, 12 points in 12 games
  • Actual December results: 4-2-0, 8 points in 6 games
  • Oilers in 2023-24: 13-14-1, 27 points in 28 games

A couple of wins in California should get the Oilers to my predicted total, and a win or two elsewhere wouldn’t go amiss. The problem with drilling down on these teams Edmonton will see on the road is this: The worry is what version of the Oilers will show up. If the team plays a structured, calm game, good results will follow. The opponents are as anxious to find out if Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde will be on the road trip. Maybe both.

THE NUMBERS

I know some will blame Calvin Pickard but the ridiculous coverage in this game should be the focus.

I’m also wondering what is happening to Leon. Consider some of these totals. This is five-on-five since Knoblauch took over:

  • Nurse w/Leon (w/o 97): 2-7 goals in 100 minutes.
  • Nurse w/McDavid (w/o 29): 6-2 goals in 39 minutes.
  • Ekholm w/Leon (w/o 97): 1-1 goals in 38 minues.
  • Ekholm w/McDavid (w/o 29): 8-7 in 116 minutes.

All of these combinations need to be humming at a high rate in order for Edmonton to succeed. Two lines and two pairings until Stanley, and you need the goalie to be quality plus Ryan McLeod’s line needs to push a little.

Leon Draisaitl isn’t looking fab by these numbers. I know Evander Kane isn’t 100 percent and Connor Brown is coming back from a major layoff, but something has to be done. I well remember last year when the Oilers needed some help up front due to injuries and management stayed the course. It’s my belief that period of time sealed the deal for ownership re: Ken Holland. I could be wrong, but Jeff Jackson arrived in August to do more than invent a new hamburger.

So what do the deals look like? An easy fix would be a recall of Raphael Lavoie. Dylan Holloway isn’t yet ready, Lavoie can slide in.

Are we sure? According to Eric Rodgers excellent NHL estimates, Lavoie is playing 21 minutes a night in Bakersfield, has eight goals and 11 points in 14 games, 52 shots, and an even strength goal share of 56 percent (10-8). That’s on a Condors team starving for goals.

Lavoie’s even-strength points-per-60 (estimated) is 1.67 (18 EV minutes per night and seven even-strength points). You think that’s bad? Xavier Bourgault is 0.99 pts-60 (estimated) at even strength. Something has to give in Bakersfield.

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Optimism is like heroin

Now I understand it’s not just goalie but 14 ga in what 150 minutes between all 3 tenders. Wtf??? And yes some empty netters in there but still bad. Not even AHL level.

maudite

If anthony stolarz (who I believed best potential target for cheap backup after buying out campbell this summer) ends up playing 40 odd games with good numbers:

do you think anyone is going to be in a rush to sign him to a 6×5 contract next year?

It was madness. It still is madness.

In other self inflicted goalie wound news:

17 gp 0.931 sv% young jesper appears to be on track for a helluva AHL season. Odds getting stronger he cracks nhl roster next year.

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John Chambers

How many cups would the Red Wings have won if they had a better goalie than Chris Osgood as their starter for 8 seasons?
It has been a Ken Holland blind spot apart from the year he got Hašek (and won!)

ArmchairGM

But wait! I thought it took longer for goalie prospects to impact the NHL roster?

At least that was the excuse I heard when Holland traded back and drafted Bourgault.

John Chambers

Three thoughts:
1) The Oilers best players have been their best players. McDavid, Drai, Bouch, Nurse, Kane, Nuge, Hyman, Ekholm are all under contract for years and are delivering. We should be grateful for this. The core is solid.

2) That RW position next to Draisaitl has been nearly impossible to fill his whole career.
Kassian, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Kahun, Chiasson, Rieder, and now Brown. Not a murderers row, but nothing has rhymed. Bizarre.
Lets just be glad that nobody besides Kassian got any term on their contracts.

3) The goalie position is still the Oilers biggest weakness. At this point of his career it’s fine for Skinner to be a backup. He’s gotten to be a starter and has won a playoff series, but it’s too much to ask of him to tend the twine in a cup-or-bust season.
No shame in it for Skinner – but the Oilers need a bona fide #1 to win.

Tarkus

Summarizing!

Neither Stonehouse nor Munzenberger were able to impact the scoresheet, while Maatta did not dress for today’s match.

Prospecting takes a break until the 28th.

ArmchairGM

Merry Christmas!

Scungilli Slushy

How tight are things these days? All but one west wildcard team ahead are on winning streaks and the Krak got a point

Harpers Hair

STL worth keeping an eye on.

Since their coaching change, they have won two straight and look like a much better team.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes. But screw them

thehappyrabbi

Brett Kulak and Karel Vejmelka have near identical cap hits. Would Kulak plus whatever draft picks required get it done and solve most of our problems while forcing them to finally play Broberg regularly?

Harpers Hair

The Coyotes already possess 13 draft picks over the next two drafts including a second and a third obtained from the Oilers earlier. I can’t imagine they would be very enthralled with any more unless they were first rounders.

Last edited 9 months ago by Harpers Hair
Harpers Hair

That should read 24 draft picks over the next two drafts.

Scungilli Slushy

They better not Oiler it. Or I hope they do

Harpers Hair

They don’t seem to have much of an analytics staff but you would think with that number of picks they should hit on a few.

They also have 11 picks in the 2026 draft.

UnjustEnrichment

Connor Brown is an excellent penalty killer, by all accounts. But how much is he being paid per goal scored? Why are we paying him as a goal scorer when he deserves to be paid as a utility player who primarily kills penalties? Why does Leon Draisaitl have to play with two wingers who belong on the fourth line?

The team’s recent success has had a lot to do with playing fast. So why is Broberg sitting in the AHL? If Brown can’t piss a drop offensively, why is he playing on the second line while Lavoie sits in the AHL?

McSorley33

Foggy

GF 10 / GA 20

Woof

GordieHoweHatTrick

Contract year too…

norm2015

i never bought the narrative he was the oilers best player in the early season.

Scungilli Slushy

He can pop a few goals, but some don’t seem to notice the rest of the time. No stat line can make me look past the lost puck battles and blown assignments, when his role is to be exactly opposite of that. He and Janmark are each half of a whole effective role player

McSorley33

We are 28 games into the season…..can you think of ANY player getting this much room to post 0’s?

0 goals and 1 assist.

Connor Brown

GF 3 / GA 12

Helping or hurting?

Is it even possible for say Lavoie to come up and be worse?

GordieHoweHatTrick

Right. How bad does it have to get for whoever is running the roster to have him rehab in the AHL? Do we have to wait another 28 games? It is insane.

Harpers Hair

There very well be a “gentleman’s agreement” he will stay in the NHL.

SKOilerFan

Oh there is, but he’s not fulfilling his end of the agreement. There’s many in the A that would sell their soul for that much rope to figure things out

OriginalPouzar

At a league min cap hit this season, he would get claimed on waivers (and, no, that does not help the Oilers).

McSorley33

You would be hard pressed to make the case that it would hurt.

meanashell11

I said the same thing a month ago. Just before he played game 10.

jp

Connor Brown

GF 3 / GA 12

Helping or hurting?

Is it even possible for say Lavoie to come up and be worse?

Well Lavoie is 0-2 goals in less than 20% of the TOI. So… yes?

€√¥£€^$

How many of those goals were scored while Lavoie was on the 1st or 2nd line?

jp

Brown has had just an awful return from his injury.

Believing that Lavoie and his ‘elite’ shot would be any type of difference maker in the Oilers top 6 is misguided in my opinion though.

And in terms of potential positive contributions to the Oilers 23-24 season, I still don’t think (even after the brutal start) that Lavoie is in the same ball park as Brown. I am aware that many disagree.

OriginalPouzar

Sure, this is true but, at the same time, what’s the harm in trying? We don’t know what we don’t know and, for all we know, Drai finds Lavoie for a one-time goal and they both gain confidance and something develops.

I mean, if Ryan is out, what’s the harm in sending Erne down, putting Brown with Hamblin/Gagner and giving Lavoie a shot with skill for a game?

jp

I’d be happy to see Lavoie back up if Ryan is injured.

And I guess there’s not a huge amount of downside, but I’d prefer Kane-Draisaitl-Gagner and the new Nuge-Draisaitl-Foegele, among other alignments, to inserting Lavoie directly onto the 2nd line.

McSorley33

Agree with Munny here….last night was simply a very low effort loss.

Not systems. Not goalie. Not wrong lines.

Poor effort.

Drai and Foggy puck watching a – lot – last night.

Foggy flying the d zone numerous times. Hat tip, again, to Louis for calling it out as well.

Mr Debrusk also correctly pointed out Oilers did not win one board battle in the first period.

McSorley33

Bergeron owned the award.

Barkov, Danault….

Folks, what Connor Brown is doing to his line mates has to out h8m in the Selke conversation.

Moved up and down lineup – and he shuts all offence down.

Connor Brown will get Selke votes.

OriginalPouzar

Today’s practice lines:

Kane-McDavid-Hyman
RNH-Draisaitl-Foegele
Janmark-McLeod-Brown
Erne-Hamblin-Gagner

Nurse-Ceci
Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais
Gleason

Skinner
Pickard

Munny 2.0

Any word on Ryan?

OriginalPouzar

Didn’t skate today it was at the rink and going on the trip.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

KK getting welcomed to the WoodyFix. How do you compensate for two Black Holes in your forward ranks? As a coach you have to ensure somewhere, somehow, you have a matchup that you realistically expect to win. One is required, two is ideal and three you’re laughing. Right now Leon is getting sucked into a vortex at EV. So bad that by itself is negating the positive play of the bottom six who’s been winning its matchups. So how do you rearrange the pegs that ensures you still have positive matchups at EV?

Last playoffs Nuge could not hold back Eichel no matter who his wingers were. LT and others solution was to play McLeod higher up, but that risks exposing the 3rd line, who was winning its matchups. Woody bet on Nuge and anyone to at least not get totally destroyed and well they got totally destroyed even as the 3rd line won its matchups. The last two games, Knoblauch chose to swap centres and well both lines cratered and got exposed.

When you have someone who’s contributing absolutely nothing offensively it’s a drag of unique proportions. This isn’t to say Leon is playing perfect, but unless he significantly outplays every game and scores every game, they are still behind the 8-ball cause Brown is producing absolutely zilch. There are points when the process data breaks down and you get into “of for the love of god score with your face if you have to!” and its getting to that point with Brown. He has to put up points or he has to play lower he’s that bad of a drag offensively.

The above practice lines are probably the least dangerous option as long as Foegele and Nuge are ready to defend, this trio is NOT FAST from a standing start. McDavid and Hyman are playing well enough that they’ll overcome Kane’s unique cost/benefits. As OutsideObserver and OP have noted a bit more time with Bouch/Ekholm would also help.

GordieHoweHatTrick

There are many excellent posts here today and in the past showing that:

1 – McDavid+Hyman >> Leo+Hyman (could never understand why coaches chose to split up 97-18)
2 – McDavid+Kane > Leo+Kane

So there is a chance that “balancing” the top 6 a bit more (i.e., wingers in the top 2 lines) helps get Leo going a bit without taking too much away from McD; however Kane is hurting. Nuge is generally a help to whoever he is with…

Foggy gets it going here or suspect he gets moved with some add-on for an upgrade to the middle six W situation. Gagner would seem a reasonable option at 2RW too for a bit, until…

Holloway, please come back soon and stay healthy and play to a level that seems within grasp – he was flying to start the season, but offensively still a little underwhelming for top 6. Maybe, just maybe, the next time around he sticks it.

jp

Last 3 seasons these lines have fared thusly:
Kane-McDavid-Hyman 
87:55 TOI 38% shots, 6-7 goals

RNH-Draisaitl-Foegele
42:19 TOI 60% shots, 5-1 goals

Janmark-McLeod-Brown
4:52 TOI 4-3 shots, 1-0 goals

Erne-Hamblin-Gagner
9:03 TOI 8-2 shots, 2-1 goals

GB&Q

Auntie Raanta clears, says Friedman

OriginalPouzar

Raanta clears.

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Yaniv Perets called up by Carolina on an Emergency Loan in light of the Raanta move. Perets had a stellar career at Quinnipac and at 23 years old is in his 1st pro season in the ECHL.

At that level he is rocking a 0.916 save percentage in 11 games. He is a smallish goaltender at 6’1”.

Interestingly, he is the #2 G behind 20 yr old, 1st year pro Thomas Milic, a (currently unsigned, but still on their Reserve List) Jets prospect, a 6’ tender.

Why doesn’t our 6’1”, 23 year old prospect who has 3+ years of pro experience and superior numbers get any consideration for any kind prime playing time?

Considering that (amazingly) Bakersfield has given up fewer goals than 31 other teams in the AHL (no thanks to Swiss Cheese Soup), you’d think that his 0.935 save percentage would warrant some sort of internal respect. Especially on a team that ranks 31st in goals scored.

Also, I wonder why Raanta would even be considered a viable target given that he has put up a way worse save percentage in twice as many games as Campbell.

OriginalPouzar

Rodrigue can’t even get playing time in the AHL, 2-4 starts in favour of Pickard and 3-9 in favour of Campbell.

The org has all but expressly stated it’s views that rookies can’t help win a cup.

SoCaloil

Brown and Kane have not been producing 5v5 esp lately
im not sure what sliding them w McLeod was going to achieve other than more certainty in their lack of production

Leon is a distributor and a one timer machine
His ability to distribute is wasted w those wingers and they are not able to distrubute the puck for back to Leon for a one timer

There’s another important element that’s not being talked about here
Other than Bouch and maybe Nurse the D can’t score
14 w a breakaway opportunity
Ceci w two Grade A scoring chances
He missed the net on the first.
100 NHL games now without a Goal

its a different hockey game if those opportunities are buried
Top teams find a way
Chicago took us outa the bubble w shots from the point

Lewis Grant

It seems to me that goaltending is about throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. It sure worked for Vegas last year, who more than salvaged their season after trading away a Vezina winner and extending a guy who may not play in the league again.

It also seems to me that some players just need a change of scenery. (Exhibit A: Sam Bennett). This seems to go double for goaltenders, whose game is much more mental than it is for skaters

I present to you…Antti Raanta.

From 2015-2023, he put up a .920 save percentage and 59 GSAA. That may not be as many as Jaro Halak, but it’s better than the career totals of Darcy Kuemper, Evgeni Nabokov, Jose Theodore, Mike Smith, John Gibson, Jonathan Quick….

Available for zero acquisition cost, at a very reasonable $1.5MX1 contract.

We know what it’s like when we decline to pick up Carolina goaltenders on waivers.

OriginalPouzar

I blame Warren Foegele for Bouch’s point streak ending.

He had an absolute gimmy off a rebound of a Bouchard shot – ya, goalie Bob made a great save but get the damn puck up Warren!!!

SoCaloil

It was wobbling tho. Tough shot. He got it off in a hurry

Foege Foegele Torpe

I’m sure you would’ve buried it OP

OriginalPouzar

Seems unlikely but I think the expectation for an NHL forward should be different.

813.52Ran

Add Corey Perry and Pat Maroon.
That should keep everyone (on both teams) on their toes.

OriginalPouzar

Middle six fix options:

1) Just swap Drai and McLeod again – no, that 2nd line was not producing prior to the swap but the Oilers were winning as the 3rd line was positively impactful. The switch has created 2 meh lines instead of 1.

2) Break up the best line in hockey and give Nuge to Drai – McDavid is 100% and he and Hyman can continue to drive massive outscoring results, even with a struggling Kane (for example).

3) Raphael Lavoie – take the “big risk” (i.e. no risk vis-a-vis recent results), send down Erne, call up Lavoie and play him 15 minutes with skill

4) Holloway – he is coming and he will create energy, speed and aggressiveness in the middle six (although they may give him a few games in Bako to get up to speed).

5) Jesse Puljujarvi – its not even really a joke – if he was healthy (and I don’t think he’s fully recovered, he’s not even practicing every day on his PTO), well, his top game can help in the middle six. Can’t imagine this happening

6) Phil Kessel – he did score 14 goals last season……..

thelongdark

Leon is something like a combined -30 in Decembers in his career.

It’s just not his month.

hunter1909

Hunter1909’s Solution(!) to Oiler’s goalie crisis:

Oilers dress all three goalies each night and every time a goal is let in the goalies change to the next one in a rotation.

This might be the future of goalie management. It might even work for Skinner Pickard Campbell.

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Campbell should never see the Oilers crease ever again.

DBO

I’d like to see

Kane. Draisatl. Gagner
Foegele. McLeod. Janmark
Erne. Hamblin. Brown (if Ryan is out)

Time to reward or demote based on play. Gagner will help Drai with his creativity and hockey sense. The 2nd line is definitely not the defensive stopper but pure offense. 3rd line and 1st line can take tough match up.

SoCaloil

I would entertain Gagner and Leon

Gagner can distribute the puck and that would help Leon’s one timer ability

Mayan Oil

Me likey. Kane and Gagner with Drai is what I have been recently pondering also.The third lne looks solid too YMMV.

JimmyV1965

One of the goals was EN.

Rugbypig

Does that mean it didn’t count?

JimmyV1965

A little context is always helpful of course

godot10

Gretzky counted empty net goals. He didn’t care how pretty the goals were. He had a simple mantra. More is better.

JimmyV1965

This isn’t someone with 40 goals getting some EN. He has two goals in something like 40 games. One of them was EN. If that doesn’t deserve a little context, nothing does.

jp

If it was EN then it wasn’t a 5v5 goal.

meanashell11

Can you imagine his numbers if he actually skated to the front of the net instead of swooping around the offensive zone like a condor (I know what I did there!).

Shamus23

They really worked us in our zone last night. The D has not looked very good defending for 4 periods now. Draisaitl was really off. He needs a good RWer to play with and the sooner the better. Holloway/Lavoie internally or a trade? .
Could the goaltending be a distraction for the rest of the team moving forward? ( Or the perception from a lot that it needs to be fixed)
This is going to be a really tough road trip that could result in 3 losses if we don’t smarten up in our own zone. The goaltending will have to be a lot better in these 3, because we get 2 stud Russians coming up.
dies the coach give Drai one of the top wingers ( Nuge) to try and get him going?
The sky isn’t falling but we have to be a lot better in our own end.

hunter1909

$5 Million Dollar Campbell languishes in the AHL; while Skinner and now Picard are both playing exactly the same way as Lucky Jack.

Now, there is absolutely no doubt that the Oilers need another goalie IMMEDIATELY, since they’re chasing a playoff spot as of the last 2 games. And seem to be on yet another banana peel.

Please can anyone come up with any other scenario other than:

1 – Oilers play the three stooges and either stagger into the playoffs only to run out of gas before the 3rd round; or miss alogether.

Shamus23

Skinner was very solid and good in 7 games until the other night. In his post game interview he basically took blame. I would have liked to have seen him play last night to how he rebounded instantly. Missed opp.

€√¥£€^$

I disagree, we saw what happened in the playoffs. Let him stew, analyze video get out of his own head. I doubt he would have played a full game last night, given how poor his team played in front of Jean-Luc…

DevilsLettuce

I liked that the Oilers found out the Pickard is nothing more then a warm body, Skinner can rebound next time out.

OriginalPouzar

There is no reasonable/objective way to put Campbell’s season in the same category as Skinner or Pickard.

Darryl8843

A few thoughts. One of the best players in the world has had Brown , Janmark and Foegle for linemates on the 2nd line. Just think why Leon may not be at his highly motivated best.
McLeod skates miles but accomplishes very little. Maybe 4th line center.
2 needs the Oilers are starving for are a scoring winger and a competent backup. Both are possibly in Bakersfield but we will never know as this management group refuses for some reason to not give any of them an opportunity. When does that opportunity come?

Scungilli Slushy

Vegas had goalie issues. Used a bunch of guys last season. GM found Hill, cost a 4th, the other guy was undrafted. Had been in the ECHL. Now of course strong team play helps them. Analytics?

Thing is these fellows aren’t in the Guide and Record Book. So we’re not going to find any. Also not vets

OutsideObserver

Re: wondering what happened to Leon, I’ve wondered the same. I recognize XGF% is imperfect in a lot of ways, but if you match GF and underlying GF% pre and post-coaching change, you’ll see a definite issue.

On Draisaitl and outscoring/playdriving, let’s correctly identify the problem: It hasn’t been an all-year problem. It’s been a problem since the coaching change, when a determination was made to get McDavid “right” by giving 97 Nuge, Hyman, Bouchard, and Ekholm pretty much constantly at even-strength…which, indeed, is an amazing 5-man unit.

But let’s look at Draisaitl’s “before/afters” (data courtesy National Hat Trick, cause that’s what I have now); I looked at pairings (not just Ekholm or Nurse as proxy for Nurse/Ceci and Ekholm/Bouchard given issues Woodguy (on Twitter) pointed out last year re: Drai/Ceci).
First 13 games of the year, 5 on 5:  
·      Draisaitl, sans McDavid, 8-9 GF, but 68.72% XGF
·      In those games, Draisaitl spent 76 minutes total and about 6:23 ice time per game with Bouchard and Ekholm and about 59 minutes with Ceci/Nurse (4 minutes per game).
·      Draisaitl spent 43 minutes with Nuge, with absolutely gaudy numbers in everything but GF (50% GF), and like everything else at the time, a terrible PDO.
 
Since the coaching change, 5 on 5:  
·      Draisaitl, sans McDavid, is 4-8 GF, and more concerning, outshot, outchanced, and with terrible XGF numbers of 47% (this is a DROP OF MORE THAN 20% from his 68% XGF% at the start of the year, and this is NOT related to NOT playing with McDavid – he was at 68% sans 97 before and is now 47% XGF sans McDavid!).
·      Draisaitl solo has spent 99:10, or 6:36 per game with Nurse-Ceci, with terrible underlying numbers and actual GF/GA numbers of 1 GF to 5 GA. McDavid solo has spent 30 minutes with Nurse-Ceci (3-2 goals, 60% XGF%), and only 1:59 per game with Nurse-Ceci.
·      Draisaitl solo now gets Bouchard-Ekholm for 2:21 per game (50% GF, 1-1 GF, 64% XGF), while McDavid solo gets Ekholm-Bouchard for 7:27 per game (50% GF 7-7 GF, 72% XGF).
·      Draisaitl has spent less than 30 seconds per game with Nuge.

Some observations:
·      BUT BUT “Nurse-Ceci-Draisaitl” are deployed as “shutdown” against the other’s team best – that impacts their numbers negatively.
o  That approach didn’t work against Eichel in the 2023 playoffs.
o  It still doesn’t work.
o  It also doesn’t matter – the results are so bad that it is deployment that is going to lose the team games it needs to win.
o  Ekholm-Bouchard regularly take on top competition, and aren’t slaughtered.
 
 Why can’t Leon “outscore” and “drive play” since the coaching change?
o  Draisaitl’s non-McDavid playing time has replaced Nuge with Connor Brown or Mattias Janmark. (When I write that down, does it suddenly make sense why the second line isn’t doing that well?)
o  Draisaitl went from 7 minutes a game with the team’s best (only true?) playdriving defense pairing to a mere 2 minutes a game with that pairing, while now spending the bulk of his time with the defensive pairing least capable of driving play—and, for whatever reason that I’m not smart enough to figure out, but it seems obvious it doesn’t work and the coaching staff should stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes—with whom he just doesn’t “gel” well.
o  Draisaitl, with Nurse and Ceci, and with at least one winger on his line who is more properly deployed in the bottom six, has not been outscoring.

The 5-man McDavid-led, Bouchard-Ekholm backed super-unit has been great, but it alone is not a championship team. And there’s not a point to having Leon Draisaitl if you’re not going to give Leon Draisaitl appropriate support. (I watched Jaromir Jagr get a team to the playoffs every year in the late 90s and never win another championship because he never had proper support.) The Oilers actually have Leon Draisaitl for their Connor McDavid, the way the Penguins had Jaromir Jagr for Mario Lemieux, but they’re not presently giving Draisaitl anything resembling proper support.

BUT….We can’t just break up the the McDavid first line/five man unit!

Actually, given the actual results post coaching change, you can probably split the Bouchard-Ekholm time with McDavid and Draisaitl at least a little more equally with little effect on McDavid’s trio at even strength and great potential gain for Draisaitl’s trio. The fact that McDavid can still outscore with Nurse/Ceci and Drai can’t at present says that’s the easiest fix and doesn’t require tinkering with any forward lines. Data tells you any potential loss from less McDavid time is probably a net win with less Nurse-Ceci-Drai time.

In the past, Nuge has been given as a winger to either 97 or 29 whenever one of McDavid or Drai were a tad “off” or “not themselves.” It’s not a permanent fix. But it’s certainly one that you do if your second-best player is regularly getting outchanced and outscored and needs a re-set. Who knows, maybe you discover two strong outscoring lines driven by two pairs are better than one amazing 5-man unit that you can always revert to if needed to win a game or playoff series.

But right now, it seems very clear the Oilers made every effort to fix McDavid, and he appears like himself again. But Draisaitl –who seemed fine, aside from PP finishing early in the year—now seems way off? What’s changed is pretty simple and starkly obvious: his non-McDavid linemates and the defensive pairing is line is most frequently deployed with.
If you all think Draisaitl isn’t as good as McDavid yet somehow expect him to get better results than McDavid did with similar help – McDavid went 0-3 goals with Kane and Brown in 20 minutes under the former coaching staff before that coaching staff decided “no more of that,” while the present coaching staff had Draisaitl endure 88 nminutes of it clearly not working with those same wingers (the team was winning due to McDavid’s unit going globetrotter, so who cared it was obviously not working?)— Draisaitl may need to “play better,” but he’d be in a lot better position to “play better” if he had even a little of the 4-man support McDavid now has. 

I get not wanting to break up the dominant 5-man unit, but with Draisaitl’s results at this level, I question if the Oilers can make the playoffs, and I doubt they’re doing anything if they’re getting to the playoffs – you’re certainly not winning 4 rounds if Drai’s line can’t outscore. And if trades aren’t coming short-term – it may simply need to be “way less Nurse/Ceci time” for Draisaitl’s trio, and maybe at some point Drai needs a couple of games with Nuge to “get right” again so he can go back to playing better with lesser wingers.

But the vitriol I’ve seen directed at Draisaitl, and the kind of mistake made yesterday on the the third goal, freezing with the puck on his stick, shows me an elite player who’s way in his head and isn’t being put in the best position to succeed and probably needs at least a small dosage of the same help the organization rightfully gave to McDavid earlier in the season when he needed help (here, you’re not looking like yourself, 97; here are Nuge, Hyman, Bouchard, and Ekholm as your new even-strength playmates). 

And…let me just state that playing with Nurse/Ceci isn’t giving you the best of Leon, in case the data and eye test aren’t making that glaringly obvious. I lived for years in Pittsburgh with coaches who desperately wanted to make things work by putting Kris Letang with a “defensive defenseman” to “cover” for him, when Letang consistently and actually played his best with a partner who was capable of moving the puck because Letang could trust that partner (Letang played his best with prime Paul Martin and prime Brian Dumoulin, both no slouches defensively but in no way prototypical defensive defensemen with minimal puck skills). Coaches may want Nurse/Ceci to work with Leon because it “should”—but when something doesn’t work, it doesn’t work, and insisting it “should” when it doesn’t is the path of insanity (and lots of goals against, unfortunately).
 
And as an outsider, I can’t help but note that McDavid was given all the best help to “fix” him when he wasn’t right, but that Leon—who wasn’t in need of “fixing” under the previous regime’s deployment offensively or defensively, beyond finishing — is suddenly in need of “fixing” post coaching change, and there’s mostly just been chatter he needs to play “better” with little acknowledgment that it’s not just 29’s present wingers but also his primary defensive pairing support that aren’t exactly presently putting the team’s second-best player in the best position to be successful.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Shamus23

Draisaitl needs wingers that can finish. At least 1. He isn’t shooting much at all. Sorry but Brown, Foegle and or Janmark are not even close to finishers

Scungilli Slushy

Nice. I agree. Connor is skating well again. He doesn’t need help getting up the ice into the O zone

Drai is not a good skater without a head of steam. Sometimes he can carry it up, but often he loses possession in the O zone with his risky passes. No winger help, probably a part of it. Stubbornness, I think also a part. You can always put it behind the net where it’s safe

Nurse is not a consistently reliable puck mover, but of course has skill. Ceci tries, but it’s not there. He doesn’t have the vision or skill. Hopefully Coffey sees that while his ask of making plays and passes is the right one, he doesn’t have the horses to load up the top 5 Glory style (I’m going by Coffey deploying the D usage per KK)

They also don’t have the centre depth to put all the best players on one unit. LT pointed out McLeod isn’t doing poorly, but he’s no MacT as a player. He’s a 4th line centre on a good team right now

It has been said around here the Oilers have the best C depth in the league. To me they have 2.5 good centres. They don’t use Nuge much so the .5. But after that not much that’s impactful. I also think quality centres make wingers better. It doesn’t often work the other way around. I’d rather have a better two way 3C, than Foegele and his cap hit for example, use McLeod on the 4th line, especially since KK uses his roster

Balance the deployment so everyone can have a better chance to help

JimmyV1965

Excellent excellent post. Money quote; “McDavid went 0-3 goals with Kane and Brown in 20 minutes under the former coaching staff before that coaching staff decided “no more of that.”

Bryan

I don’t think there’s much doubt that Leon is going through his annual funk. It seems to arrive every year about this time. Having said that some adjisting with the defence pairs is certainly a good method to give him a boost. One would hope that the McDavid line could continue at their high level although Ekholm and Bouchard have been a perfect match for them.

It’s not hard to understand why Leon will struggle with lesser linemates. Anyone who has played hockey at any level will understand that. He is not suited for a shutdown role as has been proven. McLeod is a much better match to counter an offensive player.

My impression of the new coach is that he is quite astute at reading the game. Hopefully this bump in the road will cause him to reevaluate the roster with his other coaches. A healthy Holoway would certainly help but until then a look with Lavoie beside Leon seems prudent. Draisaitl plays best with some speed alongside him and I would look at Foegele and Lavoie. If Leon is to be considered an elite player then it is also up to him to shoulder a healthy portion of the load. We can hope he re-emerges before the all star break.

godot10

McDavid’s down period was when he was playing with Brown. Draisaitl down period began when he started playing with Brown. McLeod has gone back in the tank when Brown was put back on his line. Kane has been struggling all year since he has been hogtied to Brown.

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samIam

All of these are facts. But one important fact is missing: deployment under Knoblauch and Coffey favours Jeff Jackson’s “divested” assets. It reads as an organizational decision.

Scungilli Slushy

This is where a functional analytics dept is essential. It’s not going to help in game, but in finding not obvious players to improve at a reasonable cap and asset hit

Bennet ‘couldn’t’ be a C in Calgary. Panthers saw it differently. Cost them very little. Of course the GM needs to see what is missing in the first place and be willing to make deals because his team needs it. He did it with Barrie, but has been pretty inactive largely

LT’s ‘The Numbers’ tell a story. Yes Leon is awful in December again. What sticks out to me is Ceci and Des pairs getting caved. Nurse and Kulak have established higher levels of play. I doubt they are the issues on their pairs

This isn’t the clutch and grab era. D have to be mobile and/or smart enough to gap, defend entries, retrieve, skate with forwards, and create lanes to outlet, get in lanes to disrupt shots

Des and Ceci don’t check those boxes. Pretty hard on their partners, and the forwards not getting good pucks

Shamus23

Bennet is a beast

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Its almost like Trevling was a very shitty GM.

When would have thunk it?

Munny 2.0

We can talk all we want about not playing the system or being smart but last night was a different kind of loss. It was an “effort loss”. A “work loss.” And the problem with getting out-efforted and out-worked is that defensive structure and tactics gets broken by covering for lost pucks and space. Nor are you going to score much. Trading players doesn’t fix effort losses unless they happen regularly and there’s a culture problem. This team is not short on talent as the streak revealed.

The is the first “effort loss” in ten games, so I’m willing to give the team a flyer on last night. They happen to every team. The Sidney Crosby’s lost 7-0 last night, for eg. They can’t happen frequently, but about once per month seems reasonable.

I’m going to be interested to see how KK handles it and how the troops come out next game. Got a rookie coach here and so far he has been up to the task. And while this is the first time he’s had to deal with this challenge at this level, effort losses are a common problem and he should be able to deal with it.

Scungilli Slushy

Good points. I would say that trading players that don’t meet the desired direction does help the effort losses. The Panthers target players with certain styles of play. They don’t like wallflowers or seek out ‘nice guys’ like Kenny does

Seems to have lead them to a pretty good level of success

jp

Seems to have lead them to a pretty good level of success

They haven’t been able to get it done when the chips are down. How are they different than the Oilers?

godot10

The Oilers have a brilliant plan. Let’s play one of our six best D in Bakersfield and turn out top offensive prospect into a PK’er.

Scungilli Slushy

Holland does look vaguely like BlackAdder – a cunning plan!

Scungilli Slushy

Who’s Baldrick?

OriginalPouzar

So what do the deals look like? An easy fix would be a recall of Raphael Lavoie. Dylan Holloway isn’t yet ready, Lavoie can slide in.

I just tweeted about this a little earlier at the gym. Lavoie has struggled a bit in the AHL with increased minutes but he did score last night and he is a 6’4, right shot winger with an elite release/shot. I’m not sure about him keeping up with pace of play on the 2nd line or handling the overall minutes but, well, the middle six is a black hole right now and him replacing one of Janmark, Foegele or Brown in the middle six (the other moves down) is not going to make things worse.

I don’t see the recall happening but, well, this player has never played with NHL skill before and given the dearth in the middle six, I don’t see any real risk.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Don’t lump anyone else in with Brown save for McLeod. Those two are a different level of offensive useless right now.

My patience for McLeod is running quite thin. He’s too scared of getting caught low in the o-zone to actually get in a position to score. Thats why he’s always looping and hanging out up high. He doesn’t get burned for odd mans often but lordy he contributes SFA in the o zone.

Thinks way too much. Frustrating player given his skill set. Hyman should take him aside and whisper in his ear.

jp

Frustrating that he’s taken a step back rather than forward from last season.

He scored 57 11-12-23 a year aho, which is a very solid 16-17-33 per 82 game rate (for a 3C).

And recall how Woodcroft made a major mis-step by not hard-matching McLeod against Eichel?

OriginalPouzar

Very frustrating.

I will include the playoffs as well. I know the Foegele/McLeod/Ryan line couldn’t piss a drop but I thought they were consistently impactful – shift after shift in the offensive zone and against increasingly tough competition.

I thought he was trending to become an elite 3C who could take on tough minutes, pot 18 goals, drive possession and PK.

For the first while he could be excused due to missing all of camp and getting up to speed but we are well past that.

He’s regressed in his willingness to engage physically – right back to his rookie pro year – seemingly.

OriginalPouzar

I’m also wondering what is happening to Leon. Consider some of these totals. This is five-on-five since Knoblauch took over:

Is this that abnormal for Leon in December?

While he is generally able to maintain a PPG pace, he almost always goes in to a “200 foot slump” come December where he struggles defensively and, despite some points, cannot drive offensively.

It doesn’t help that he’s been playing with a mish-mash of one other top six forward (Kane) and 3 middle or bottom six wingers.

There is a strong argument that, despite how all word that top line continues to be, going on the road, they need to give Nuge to Leon.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes good Leon point. Have to try something different now. Maybe try to get a second line functioning with Nuge at C until Leon recovers, until then play him with Connor

OriginalPouzar

Ok, sure, fair enough, good point – historically though? This is definitely not his first time struggling with the 200 foot game at this time of year I don’t think.

Rugbypig

Well since you can ask, you can also go look.
Please report back with the last 6 years as an answer.
Since Lowetide gave you last year.

samIam

It’s not the month, it’s not the slump, so much as it’s the teammate deployment. Draisaitl is more productive with Ekholm/Bouchard than Nurse/Ceci. And more productive with Hyman & RNH than Brown & Kane. Let’s throw out the Brown. The Kane sample is big. They aren’t productive together.
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samIam

Here are Kane’s individuals with various teammates. He’s been much better with McDavid than Draisaitl.

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samIam

Sorry, this one shows McDavid, Ekholm, etc.
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OutsideObserver

IIRC correctly, Leon didn’t look 100% “right” in December last year, so Draisaitl-McDavid got played together a lot.

And it’s true – December “doldrums” for Draisaitl are and have been real. Unlike McDavid, Draisaitl has real slumps (which is why 97’s slump (likely due to injury) at the start of the year was so weird). But this slump looks different to me than past years, and it’s notable to me just how much Draisaitl’s deployment has changed since the coaching change — he’s spending far more time with Nurse and Ceci and far less time with Ekholm and Bouchard, and his only winger resembling a true top-6 wing is a clearly banged up Kane (who is not the most consistently conscientious defensive player or a great passer even when healthy). It’s also worthwhile to remember that when Draisaitl finally looked “right” last year at 5-on-5, it was after Ekholm’s arrival, and that Draisaitl always had stronger numbers with Ekholm-Bouchard than with Nurse-Ceci.

Once PuckIQ is up and running, I suspect you’re going to see what the eye test shows: Draisaitl, Nurse, and Ceci playing super-tough competition and not doing well at all against that competition — to extreme degrees. I would be curious to know if this also holds for Draisaitl with Ekholm and Bouchard or it’s an exclusive issue to Nurse/Ceci/Drai (I think those three players together just do not work at all as “shutdown” or “match”). Why it continues when there are other options to explore (McDavid’s supernova unit or a healthier McLeod with more defensive wingers) boggles me a bit (if you have a slumping player you don’t usually supercharge that player’s match-ups)…and also, if you want 29’s faceoff prowess, deploy him to win a faceoff and have him get off the ice (like you do on a PK, and not ideal, but deal with what you have, not what you wish you did).

I would also argue that if Draisaitl is going to be on a “match” line or match-up in any way, he needs Nuge on his wing given the present state of the roster…in fact, it might be easier for the Oilers to “match” lines by saying whomever has Nuge on his wing gets the toughest match. (I suspect PuckIQ is also going to show McDavid’s supernova unit not being crushed by the toughest comp the way Draisaitl’s mish-mosh of wingers and Nurse/Ceci are crushed.) It’s sort of unfortunate that Derek Ryan and Sam Gagner are older and not likely to be able to play second line minutes long-term (I’m not suggesting it; I think they’re doing awesome where they are), because Draisaitl’s 5-man unit right now is clearly lacking at least one other player who’s “smart” with offensive reads (to sustain play) and defensive reads (to get pucks out).

Too bad Nuge can’t be cloned…because I think when both are deployed center, both McDavid and Drai are often at their best when he’s on their line. I’m a bit concerned if the Oilers don’t adjust Drai’s deployment by giving him more Ekholm-Bouchard time and — maybe, against certain teams or for a brief spell to help “re-set” him–Nuge time, his “slump” is going to extend way longer than it needs to, to the team’s detriment.

When the focus is only on wingers and not on how Drai’s overall 5-man unit with Nurse and Ceci is deployed against the toughest comp, I’m not even sure the correct problem to be solved has been identified. A player in a scoring slump as bad as 29’s 5-on-5 scoring stats indicate would typically result in altering deployment to ease match-ups (where possible) and adjusting who the player plays with to give more support to help get the player right.

godot10

McDavid was down playing with Brown in October.

Sierra

Leon has 4 even strength goals this season. It’s not a “December” thing.

OriginalPouzar

In the last two games, that has not been the case. It’s a good test for this club. How long does it take to snap back to what the group can provably do?

I would suggest it was just one game as, for the majority of the game on Thursday night, the Oilers were a dominant elite team playing the right way.

Last night’s game looked like the team from the first month of the year, absolutely, but, at least to my eye, it was vastly different than the game on Thursday.

Last game of a 6 game homestand – maybe it was complacency.

I am cautiously optimistic they get right back to where they have been the last month on this New York trip!

godot10

The OIlers have lost to good teams the same way for three and a half seasons. They don’t play good enough team defense, and they get the matchups wrong.

Mayan Oil

Nice thing for their pre Christmas road trip that helps alleviate travel and fatigue with 3 in 4 nights, is they won’t have to fly between games or likely even change hotels for the whole trip. Might make a nicer trip to NY to go Christmas shopping for more points….

godot10

Why is Draisaitl lining up against Bennett instead of McDavid? And why not have Draisaitl against Barkov. Bennett’s wingers ate Draisaitl’s wingers and Ceci alive.

Draisaitl has been taking the toughest match with subpar wingers, and McDavid taking the 2nd toughest line.

It was Draisaitl against Kucherov;s line.

Why do that? Against weak teams, it works, but against the good teams McDavid has to be going mano-a-mano against the best line of the opposition at home.

If one wants to avoid best against best, then build a shutdown line around McLeod. The trouble is that the Oilers really don’t have shutdown wingers.

Bruce McCurdy

Wasn’t it Barkov who stripped Drai of the puck on the 3-0?

Theoretically a great match-up but not so much when one guy is skating & the other has legs of stone.

Scungilli Slushy

Legs of Stone – Possibly doesn’t have knees

meanashell11

McLeod is really pissing me off. Every time he swoops behind the net they should sit him for a few shifts. Go to the net and stop in front. You are huge. Worst case maybe one goes off his ass but what he is doing certainly is not working.

dustrock

McLeod had the skill set to be a top 10 pick I think but this was the knock on him going back to junior.

An interesting example of why math needs context and still the eye test to confirm.

McLeod is a smart player who doesn’t make many mistakes and rarely anything catastrophic to me at least. I have no doubt that the math is correct that we control possession with him on the ice.

But at some point the actual goals have to follow.

I had hoped earlier in the season it was a confidence thing and when he got off the schneid with the empty netter things would improve.

He’s floating right now.

Dicky94

Less chance of a confrontation behind the net. He needs some shifts with Ryan and Gagner so he can learn a few things.

Sierra

McLeod is huge? I don’t think so.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Jekyll or Hyde Indeed. It is baffling how time and time again this team seems like it has figured out how to play Team Defense and then simply do not for extended stretches, until some coach gets fired or someone traded. Weak that they can’t figure this out in the locker room. People can blame the goalies but the systematic issue is not goaltending, it is poor coverage and attention to details in the D zone that more often than not is their collective undoing.

Of course, it would have been nice if this team had decided at some point over the past 20 years to build around an elite goaltender, but they have not chosen that path. It is easy to see the value in that type of approach after getting bitch slapped by Vasy and then Bob. Again.

That was probably Ekholm’s worst game as an Oiler. Totally lost out there last night.
McLeod is making a case to be a career 4th liner. Invisible for much of this season.
Draisaitl is mailing it in for the last little while his weak turnovers in the offensive zone continue to be his most significant and consistent malady of an otherwise great career.
Brown should have been rehabbing in Bakersfield so that a player that deserved to get NHL experience could be playing with the team for much of this fall – Lavoie. But this organization has a bad habit of choosing handshakes for heartaches.

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Scungilli Slushy

I appreciate management tries to be honourable to the players. But any team without a commitment to good or better play will not succeed in the end. Treating people fairly and with respect does not equate to coddling professional athletes. Yes he sent Jack down, but he didn’t really have a choice there. Possibly also things behind scenes we don’t know about

Maybe nobody wants to play on Connor’s team, but recent evidence suggests otherwise. Holland the sourdough GM doesn’t mind fermenting youth beyond logic and being sort of hard and possibly unfair with them, and turns into a marshmallow with his vets

teamblue

What team built around an elite goaltender won anything? TBay was built around Stamkos and Hedman. They drafted Vasilevsky later. Kings were built around Doughty and Kopitar. Pens built around Crosby and Malkin. Hawks built around Toews, Kane, Keith and Seabrook.
in the last 20 years, teams like NYR and Habs, built around their elite goalie, didn’t win anything.

Harpers Hair

Quick was elite.

Tarkus

Prospectalooza!

Yesterday’s quartet is today’s trio, with Day getting an early start to his holidays.

The House of Stone will try to repeat yesternight’s premiere-etoile performance, while the Vermonters endeavour to piss a drop in the O zone.

Ottawa (Stonehouse) @ noon
Vermont (Münzenberger, Määttä) @ 5:15 p.m.

Both times, as usual, are Faust time.

dustrock

One of the greatest players in the league is having his annual SAD month and the team plays him with Foegele and Janmark.

jtblack

what kind of new Hamburger can one invent?

€√¥£€^$

Blends of different meats or near meats, beef infused with different kinds of cheese or vegetables. Easentially you need to find just the right combination.

Cooking, when it comes down to it, is all about the chemistry and then bam! Nom nom nom

Foege Foegele Torpe

People should not overlook the buns, it can cover up a multitude of sins

€√¥£€^$

Underwhelming Oilers goaltending, Kane injured, Brown Reidered, McLeod with his head in the clouds, Draisaitl saddled with stone-handed grinders, this machine is leaking oil.

Meanwhile the solutions being touted are Hab Goalies, a soupy Raanta,or a slightly below average ‘Yote.

It seems this team needs less-recycled and more fresh air.

What about the in-house solutions? Rodrigue (minimal playing time, but vastly superior to Jack), Holloway, Broberg (+2 last night on a team full of minuses) and Lavoie (with 8 goals, he’s provided over 15% of the Condor’s very weak offense).

if the team continues on this path, watch the vet GM expend every single asset. This is an organization that has never had much draft and develop success. If this is the path, bye bye future.

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€√¥£€^$

Yes, of course good sir.

I am referring to the current ownership and all of his management teams.

€√¥£€^$

Henceforth, to ensure clarity, I will refer to the Organiztion referenced as the Katz – Oilers Syndicate, or K-OS for brevity.

OriginalPouzar

Current management does not believe rookies can help contribute to a cup win (Rodrigue, Lavoie – to a lesser extent Holloway and Broberg – not quite rookies).