2023-24 Game 57: Blues at Oilers

by Lowetide

The St. Louis Blues had the most interesting early history among the six 1967 expansion teams. The organization made it to the Stanley Cup final three times in a row out of the box, gave Scotty Bowman his first NHL head coaching job, gave the world the mighty mighty goaltending tandem of Glenn Hall-Jacques Plante, and employed future highly successful coaches Al Arbour, Red Berenson and Terry Crisp (among others). Frank St. Marseille might have started as a hockey player sending resumes, but enjoyed a fairly long and productive career considering he was 27 when he played his first NHL games. Vincent Desharnais was about the same age when he arrived as an NHL player. Finding hockey players good enough for the NHL involves lots and lots of looking, and lots of experienced scouts viewing. I do think math plays a part in the modern evaluation. That’s important, and central to my article today at The Athletic (link below).

THE ATHLETIC!

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: VEG, ANA, LAK (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: DET (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: STL, DAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN, CAL, LAK, STL (Expected 3-2-0) (Actual 1-2-1)
  • Overall expected result: 7-4-1, 15 points in 12 games
  • Actual February results: 5-5-1, 11 points in 11 games
  • Oilers in 2023-24: 34-20-2, 70 points in 56 games

Vegas Golden Knights won last night (thanks Toronto!) but the Calgary Flames beat the LAK. So, as of this morning, Edmonton trails VGK by three points with three games in hand. The Oilers are ahead of the Kings by two points with two games in hand. Considering how weird February turned out, this is a solid position.

50-MAN (37)

My article in The Athletic today discusses spring signing season and some of the available names. Edmonton is in good position in several areas, even though the organization has been saved only by its scouting staff (a staff that gets little attention).

The goaltending is the prime example. Ken Holland spent $5 million times five on Jack Campbell, but the position was saved by Stuart Skinner (third-round pick) and Olivier Rodrigue (second-round pick) is pushing. Oilers scouts get maligned and run through the shredder at each chime of the clock, but there is much good in the years 2011+.

On defense, many gold coins were spent on Darnell Nurse, Evan Bouchard and Philip Broberg. Two of the three are established top-four NHL defenseman and the third is waiting in line for the opportunity. The scouts found Max Wanner, Vincent Desharnais and Mike Kesselring, among others.

I think the new manager will need to shore up RH defense, and that may include allowing Desharnais to walk. I suspect his free-agent number will surprise many, as Desharnais is a unique talent.

Up front, Edmonton drafted some stunning talent at the top of the draft (Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) but the scouts also found Ryan McLeod in the second round and several depth picks are playing skill positions in Bakersfield. If even one of them cashes, music!

Finally, the amateur scouts helped in acquiring Mattias Ekholm and other acquisitions over the last few seasons. Those scouts will likely see some more young talent heading out the door in exchange for Pavel Buchnevich or Chris Tanev.

CONDORS

The Condors play tonight, here are the point totals for the prospects in Bakersfield over the most recent 10 games.

  1. Raphael Lavoie 10, 4-3-7
  2. Tyler Tullio 8, 3-1-4
  3. Carter Savoie 10, 2-1-3
  4. Jayden Grubbe 6, 1-1-2
  5. Max Wanner 10, 0-2-2
  6. Philip Broberg 3, 0-1-1
  7. Matvey Petrvov 5, 0-0-0
  8. Xavier Bourgault 10, 0-0-0
  9. Olivier Rodrigue 5, .920SP, 2.85 4-1-0 record

KEVIN O’SHEA

One year, when I was a kid, I needed a Danny O’Shea hockey card and kept getting more and more Kevin O’Shea hockey cards. You’d buy a pack of hockey cards, race through the cards one by one and I swear to you Kevin O’Shea was in almost every package. Whenever I see the Blues logo, I think of Kevin O’Shea. He saw plenty of my bicycle spokes that next spring and summer.

Lowdown hits the Sports 1440 radio at noon today. Guests include Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal, and we’ll have another installment of Dunkin’ with Declan. We’ll preview the St. Louis Blues (we’ll have a Blues guest) and talk about the Flames helping the Oilers last night. Will the Flames do it again with a Tanev trade? You can reach me at Lowetide on twitter, in the comments section or on the Sports 1440 text line at 1.833.401.1440 directly.

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elgruntus

Grubbe took 2, 5, 10 and 10 midway through the second period in a fight with Kirkland (who only took 5) Anybody see what happened to have 22 minutes difference?

Todd Macallan

I didn’t see it but read Grubbe jumped him right off the faceoff. Curious what led to that as well.

Ryan

So Buchnevich, eh?

Ryan

Dallas acquires Tanev at double retention for a song and HH doesn’t check in to gloat?

Is HH in time out again?

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Ryan

If you’re wondering how we lost out on Tanev, this person Twitter won the internet today.

https://twitter.com/CrudeOil4Life/status/1763067983877050398/photo/1

Ozoil

That’s good

Chelios is a Dinosaur

No it’s absurd, AsiaOil is correct.

AsiaOil

Tanev has a modified NTC. So if he didn’t want to come and/or Conroy didn’t want to trade – then it doesn’t matter what Holland did or didn’t do.

SVR

Janus

Mayan Oil

I don’t doubt for a minute that McDavid will take over the scoring lead by season’s end. With Hyman now second in the Rocket Richard race, (although still 12 back of Matthews) it would surely make me smile if he continued his assault and actually passed Matthews by season’s end as well… all of Toronto would lose their minds! Dare to dream…

Zelepukin

Same, without a doubt he wins the scoring race. 5 games in hand is absolutely at least 10 points for McD, which would put him at 105 right now. Plus you’ve got the PP clicking again and Hyman is going to be on a mission to hit 50+.

Zelepukin

Sorry, 4 games on Nate, 2 on Kuch. Was looking at GP.

northerndancer

Baby Nuge had a great game. He makes very quick decisions and seems to thrive on having at least one other player to play pitch and catch with in the O zone. Janmark does that well. Holloway seems to think the game quick/smart too and I would like to see him get more time with Nuge and Kane.

Zelepukin

The shortie break-away takeaway is probably one of the greatest defensive plays you’ll see all year.

kgo

I didn’t expect to see Kane out there in overtime after he embarrassed himself at 3 on 3 last week.

But alas he saw the ice, lost his man and the race up the ice, missed breaking up the back-door tap-in (luckily so did the opponent) Then turns up on offense, misses receiving the pass from Nuge, but recovers along the wall, makes a pass and turns it over….4 shit plays in a row and then goes for a change.

Melman

Agreed. Kane should not be out 3 on 3 unless he starts skating better. Could still be injury, but he gets exposed on the open ice

Kraz

On a side note how bad GM is Craig Conroy going to be?? Seems to be Chiarelli esque mixed in with some old boys club. Tries to sell
not getting a first by pumping up a prospect with zero offensive upside. Must of been desperate to not trade him to Edmonton

OriginalPouzar

Let the hats fly, Griffith and Lavoie on a 2 on 1 – give and pass back and one-timer!

7-1 with 5 to go.

4 points each for Lavoie and Griffith.

38 saves for Jack.

AsiaOil

No way to get him back until the playoffs (maybe slight chance the last week) but he’s our depth and just as good as Jake Allen or Fluery who are both sub .900

Scungilli Slushy

Panarin has sick puck skills

Scorss an EN from the D zone, all the puck hits is twine. Who does that?

AsiaOil

So Tanev is gone with price in the range of expected. I see no obvious Ceci upgrades unless Holland can somehow shoehorn Pesce into the lineup (why would CAR trade him?) or Parayko (salary and term are both a problem). The only way I could see CAR trading Pesce is if they know he will walk in the summer for free and they want to get ahead of that. A decent replacement (Ceci) and another asset might be appealing in that case.

Even spending assets on a guy like Bogosian is problematic. Where would he play? What does he upgrade? Same issue with any of the other likely available RHD like Dumba. I’ve gone through the league a dozen times and don’t see an obvious answer to the Ceci upgrade question.

So for me, focus should shift to 2RW (Tank) and bottom 6 RHC (Dowd). Campbell is our insurance in goal sine I don’t see any obvious upgrades there either.

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Scungilli Slushy

I saw some Sens and Tank was not impressive. Not what he was anymore. If it was cheap enough maybe

Scungilli Slushy

Dowd is a no brainer. I agree there is no realistic D upgrade now. I think Holland does like the D as he said a while ago, Bro currently still his depth

It’s probably Henrique if Holland can work it. I think they feel they need more offense up front, he’s more productive than Dowd who is better defensively, and adds a C

AsiaOil

Well if you can send Janmark back in a Dowd trade it’s almost cap neutral. Dowd can replace Janmark on the PK. He’s injured though (concussion?) so hard to know what’s going on. Teams will spend so much effort shutting down the McDavid and Drai lines that it might make sense to beef up scoring on L3.

OriginalPouzar

They don’t even need to send Janmark back – if they wanted to, the could waive and assign him to the Condors – he’d be some sort of pissed but that’s neither here nor there.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

You’ve adroitly enumerated my outlook very effectively.

  1. Tank
  2. Dowd
  3. Wildcard D or G
Scungilli Slushy

I wonder if Connor knew there was no Binnington behind where he hit his jersey

OriginalPouzar

Kemp to Lavoie who crosses the line, to Griffith who is allowed to walk in to the circles and a seeing eye shot makes it 6-1.

winchester

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OriginalPouzar

Condors cycle it around on a delayed penalty call, Berglund finds Bourgault in the high slot and it finds its way through Dylan Wells and Bourgault FINALLY gets off the schniede!

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Dylan Wells.

Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time…

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Ahahahahaha El Capitan is off the schnide.

Now we’re gonna roll, roll, roll.

fishman

Loved the outcome but didn’t love the OT. Skinner had to make some tough saves. Blues were winning face offs and getting possession. Not crazy about Kane out there in OT.

Scungilli Slushy

He’s not fast enough

BornInAGretzkyJersey

And yet he had a key defensive play in front of the net, and again along the boards immediately after.

Scungilli Slushy

Im not saying he’s a bad player, but they were a hair off a two on one as well because he takes a while to get up to speed

winchester

He could sure move when he wanted that empty net goal and hatrick! He was a blur.

Scungilli Slushy

Heh heh

kgo

Nah dude he let the pass thru on that play…got lucky, then missed a pass, regained possession and turned it over again.

OriginalPouzar

Back to back really solid games from Skinner.

Managing fatigue and energy levels is key but he is not being overplayed – he was in a slump for 2-3 weeks, as pretty much all goalies go through a few times a year – he’s heating back up for the stretch run.

Picks on Sat afternoon and Skinner on Sun night.

winchester

Holloway was the nemesis of the Blue’s dmen tonight. He played a hard, simple game.

Scungilli Slushy

I hope they are coaching him actively. He is never not noticeable. And that speed with size

He could be a game changing type, not necessarily by goals

winchester

Coach just sent him a memo “play like Hyman”

Scungilli Slushy

Yup

Mayan Oil

Reminds me of the old Slats story… one of our lesser lights got his bell rung in mid game (this was before concussion protocols IIRC), and Slats asked the doc if the player knew his own name… told the doc to tell him he’s Wayne Gretzky.

Little Johnny Frostbite

Shaun Van Allen, and not Slats, but Teddy Green…still an excellent story. That team was in the early 90’s, after the suck started…so tough to watch.

northerndancer

He worked hard again tonight and was putting himself in good positions when he didn’t have the puck. It seems to be coming together for him. Loved him up the lineup, too.

Zelepukin

can’t help but stare at the first dangle McD makes around the forward on entry into the zone for the goal. It’s offensively close/tight to the stick check like, ya I’m doing this on purpose just to embarrass you this much more. No other player would do that.

winchester

Bouchard made that period interesting to say the least.

flyfish1168

The best play of the game goes to the Nuge. The backcheck on the PP possibly saved a goal

OriginalPouzar

Thomas slowing down to allow Nuge to make that play made it very satisfying.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Nuge lurking in his blindspot before making the back check and stick lift is supremely satisfying.

Check.

Mate.

DevilsLettuce

9pts back of Kucherov suddenly lol

cowboy bill

The patience with the puck of Ekholm set that all up for McDavid.

Scungilli Slushy

He hasn’t been peak Viking, but I still think he’s our best D

cowboy bill

It was good to see him in OT.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Pretty sure that marker ties Connor with Wayne for most points in the month of February.

Ice Sage

OK, but was it a leap year when 99 did it?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Which time?

SKOilerFan

Binnington played that odd. 2 points!

DevilsLettuce

We’re not worthy!

jp

That really was a fluffy one too.

samIam

Right wrist?

Scungilli Slushy

Yup

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Condor McDavid flying high with the game winner!

OriginalPouzar

I don’t see him spending much time with the AHL affiliate…..

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Woosh

KnightRain

BOOM!!! Oh Captain my Captain!!! GWG!!!

fishman

Skinner with a very good game.

jp

Claps for a Connor McDavid OT winner!!

Skinner was absolutely spectacular for the last 59 minutes of that hockey game!!

fishman

Oh thank God for Connor!!!!!

winchester

He just didn’t want to score unless they absolutely made him

Gerta Rauss

And the drought is over

huzzah!!

OriginalPouzar

So he CAN still score goals!!!!

LMHF#1

See what happens?? FFS…

That shoulda been over so long ago.

Scungilli Slushy

Leon is playing weird, started in the 3rd. Not doing anything and also not getting anywhere helpful to get set up

cowboy bill

Too many passes, shoot the puck.

SKOilerFan

D Zone Coverage not really a priority tonight

OriginalPouzar

Very well deserved point.

Binnington has been a key part in the Oilers now gaining the lead but Skinner came back with a couple key saves when the Oilers got loose for about 3-minutes.

For all but the first 5 minutes, and those loose 3 minutes, the Oilers were the clear superior team.

JJS

Would love to see Lavoie in the Perry role

northerndancer

He would have to slow down and show no interest in all but the O zone.

fishman

Not exactly the lock down 3 rd period we were hoping for…. OT coming.

Darryl8843

And Bouchard may be playing the most high risk high reward game I’ve ever seen 

Scungilli Slushy

Yikes. Doesn’t seem to be sensing when he’s under pressure

LMHF#1

Turnover and STL chance caused by McDavid not shooting.

Seriously – is he broken?

SKOilerFan

Jezuz h #2 is at it again. Weak ass one and done stick swing at the blue line.

OriginalPouzar

Lavoie gets the puck on the rush, enters the zone, tries to go wide, cuts inside at the circles and wrists home the 4-1.

Scungilli Slushy

Now would be a good time for the forwards to get back to going in front with timing for a tip or something

Other things not currently working

Scungilli Slushy

Followed up by Foegele giving it away

Scungilli Slushy

Nurse killed the forecheck by holding it way too long