Wondering

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AsiaOil

In this wonderful week where have finally reached the SCF – I propose we celebrate by cheering on the boys and agreeing on a full and complete ignore of each and every post the troll HH posts. Lowetide doesn’t want to take out the trash – his site and his call – but we should enjoy this next week without responding to the garbage this troll litters LT’s fine blog with.

anonymous

That’s always been the play. In my opinion I’d rather LT ignore it than succumb to whining. Toughen yourself up.

There’s a lot of unpleasant things in the world. Crying about trolling or name calling rather than ignoring bothers me a lot more, but you do you and I will go back to ignoring it.

Ryan
Professor Q

I think media members are preparing Edmonton for shenanigans, too. Especially with gambling having its tendrils firmly embedded in the NHL and sports networks now? I’d believe it has gotten worse for sure. The same old “we can’t give Edmonton too many PPs because we don’t want to affect the game…” Even though that IS affecting the game!

Pierre LeBrun

Lots of pressure on these 4 refs when you consider Oilers’ power play. Major theme in this Cup final

https://x.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1799096921409323182

Scouting the Refs

Congratulations to the 2024 Stanley Cup Final Officials:

Referees: Jean Hebert, Steve Kozari, Dan O’Rourke, Chris Rooney

Linesmen: Devin Berg, Ryan Daisy, Matt MacPherson, Jonny Murray

https://x.com/ScoutingTheRefs/status/1799090169082941893

Ryan

Random people show up in my Twitter feed.

Interesting thread:

Florida faces Edmonton in the cups finals.

Who’s the favorite, and how will each team play? I go over tactics, analytics, strengths, and weaknesses. I hope you enjoy it!

https://x.com/mathewjdp/status/1799222726542127391

OriginalPouzar

I did NOT know that was you…………………

Ryan

It’s not me.

Reja

We’ve split the first 3 series and I’m glad we’re starting on the road. I will gladly take 1-1 heading back to the best fans in North America. Florida will come out guns blazing and if we can keep them on the perimeter for the 1st period we can quietly sneak out a win. Foegele will shock the world and score the winner on a breakaway

dangilitis

I do agree with giving Foegele another chance. He does have the ability to play up the lineup. With Carrick and Ryan out, does that not leave use with only 5 penalty killing forwards (RNH, Brown, McLeod, Janmark, Henrique)?

cowboy bill

Foegele kills penalties

Ryan

Ryan got lit up too.

The Oilers used to like goal share and goals against.

Ryan and Foegele both had a little over 20% goals for.

Foggy had better expected goals.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&team=EDM&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

AsiaOil

I’m not sure what Stauffer is smoking. Any line centered by Adam Henrique is not a 4th line. Add in our 2 best defensive wingers who have both size and speed and they can play against anyone. McLeod Fog and Perry are the 4th line and no one on the rag tag FLA bottom line has anywhere near the production of these guys. I honestly don’t know where this myth of superior depth on FLA comes from. It’s not real. I predict our bottom 6 will have a real impact in this series. Coach K is the guy we have been waiting on for years. Lots of small savvy moves.

Ryan

Maurice is a retread coach that seems to have stumbled upon an analytics informed system with emphasis on things like denying zone entries.

For years, Jets fans blamed him for their team underperforming.

He coached a series against a fading Tippet that he won mostly by having his team commit an incredible number of fouls that went uncalled.

Hopefully Maurice is a one trick pony. The Oilers under Knoblauch have been able to make phenomenal lineup adjustments and changes in strategy.

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YYCOil

Maurice is 57 years and coached almost 1900 NHL games and will probably be a HOF coach. He is far from a retread.

Knobby has done very well in the NHL and is breath of fresh but he is a 45 year old with 88 NHL games of experience.

This is one of the few areas the Panthers have an advantage vs. us.

striker

Nurse-Ceci reunited eh?
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Jethro Tull

Before we get going tomorrow, everyone should take the Florida Man challenge.

Simply type in your date of birth, not the year (eg: 27 feb) followed by ‘Florida man news’ and see what articles come up. Also works for Florida woman.

Here’s mine: https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/state/2018/05/22/florida-man-arrested-after-telling-playground-where-babies-come-from/12165774007/

Justthestatsman

Looks like Sportsnet and the Oilers have signed on for 11 more years for the regional broadcast rights. I’m kind of surprised either side would commit for that long.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sportsnet-oilers-announce-11-year-partnership-extension/

Harpers Hair

Incredibly puzzling.

Considering how the streaming landscape is changing sports broadcasting, locking in with a legacy broadcaster for more than a decade seems very short sighted.

Many teams are starting their own regional network.

In Chicago, the Hawks, Bulls and Whitesox are launching the Chicago Sports Network,

https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2024/chicago-sports-network-launch-1234782007/

The Seattle Kraken have clawed their broadcast rights back from a regional sports network and are launching their own in partnership with a local TV station and sister stations in Spokane and Portland as well as other stations in Washington, Oregon and Alaska,
Games will also be free for Amazon Prime Video members.

https://www.heraldnet.com/sports/kraken-leaving-root-sports-for-new-tv-and-streaming-deals/

anonymous

I’ve watched every Oiler game, for a few seasons now, on the sportsnet now streaming service…

LMHF#1

UGH.

I finally saw light at the end of the SN tunnel and it has been snatched away.

SwedishPoster

A swedish hockey reporter has a tradition to ask his rolodex for Stanley Cup Final predictions and then publish them on his blog. 280 people answered.
Most people picked Florida, “better depth, better goalie yada yada”. Some brighter minds picked the Oilers.

The only one to have the Oilers sweeping Florida was the former singer of Sugarplum Fairy, Viktor Norén. Thus the warm up song for tomorrow’s game is decided, Sweet Jackie by Sugarplum Fairy
https://youtu.be/a5Ihw2eDp5k?feature=shared
For Corey Perry I guess Last Chance works better…
https://youtu.be/m4dD_6rZDH0?si=JioDNOW5kYim0-D3

Some fun quotes from the answers, Douglas Murray(the former Shark) ” the first time I was happy my career was over was when watching McDavid skating live for the first time…”
A reporter quoting Adam Larsson in his answer, “he(McDavid) is more dominant in the NHL than I’d be playing against Skellefteå’s U12 team”

Mattias Ekholm’s wife Ida, who’s a sports journalist, was unsurprisingly picking the Oilers to win.
More surprising was former Flame Håkan Loob not only picking Oilers in six but also hoping for an Oiler win.
Joakim Nygård picked his old team in seven.

Jethro Tull

The Swedes know hockey… Great post! Most of the money is on Florida, but that’s not where the smart money is…

WhenConnorSmiles

Enjoyed that. Always love when you drop in. Skål

godot10

https://x.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/1799129753259311596

Correction on D pairs

Nurse and Ceci back together.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Ceci
Kulak-Broberg

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Is that Broberg practicing on the right that I see?

We are getting ever closer to the optimal deployment.

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Broberg
Kulak Desharnais.

The OIlers are cutting it close.

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leadfarmer

Wonder why?
why put Broberg on his off side

Sierra

Mind games

godot10

Because Broberg is likely better on the right side than Ceci and Desharnais.

I have my doubts that the Oilers will start this way. (I expect Nurse Kulak) I think this is Knoblaugh and Coffey creating some optionality just in case.

i.e. What if Broberg and Ceci cannot handle the Lundell line?

Knoblauch preference is to have the fab five unit. If the third pair cannot be rolled with the third line, and the 2nd pair with the 2nd line, it means the fab five will be together much less.

OriginalPouzar

In the last 10 games Ceci was top of the league in preventing goals – has on the ice for a total of 2 goals against in 10 games, all situations, including 1-0 goals in 24 PK minutes.

Many don’t like the way he defends, it seems, but he’s defended well.

iwin76

Yeah, I’ve been hard on Ceci but I thought he was good in 6/7 vs Van and mostly good throughout the Dallas series. That said, I’m not sure why they would change (if they do change), I thought Kulak was helping Nurse and Bro/Ceci were doing their job.

leadfarmer

I like how people have Florida as favorites because of how they beat the Rangers even though the Rangers were the one final 4 team that was a long shot for the cup.
Yes Florida will be a handful, but so will Edmonton. When Cody Ceci is your smalles defenseman. You got a big D corp

bsmart

Kulak is the smallest at 6’2″ 192lbs

leadfarmer

Sorry yes meant Kulak

bsmart

I do agree with the statement however, we have awesome size and mobility especially with subbing in Broberg

Scungilli Slushy

I think it’s Kulak 6’2 197 and Bouch 6’3 194

Scungilli Slushy

per capfriendly

Chelios is a Dinosaur

I have no more thoughts just drop the puck already.

Mr.Snrub

Pierre LeBrun @ PierreVLeBrun – Lots of pressure on these 4 refs when you consider Oilers’ power play. Major theme in this Cup final

Pierre saying the quiet part out loud! Steve Kozari & Jean Hebert are already getting their game management armbands shined up!

Moonlight

Kozari still holds a grudge for Connor showing him up.

OriginalPouzar

Shouldn’t be a consideration but, of course, there is little doubt that it is.

The Oiler built their teams with a great powerplay, within the current salary cap structure, they built the advantage in that area (potentially at the detriment to other areas) and that should NOT be a concern for the officials.

Scungilli Slushy

The PP is a reflection of having Connor. Bouch coming on made it better. Take Connor off the team and it would be a top one but not the same. To me nothing about this team can be viewed without the understanding icing an all time great changes everything. Maybe some take it for granted, maybe some still don’t fully grasp what it means, like the debates here before we had the 1 OV the year he was drafted

Just like with Wayne. Pundits that take a while to get it are always surprised when things happen that they thought wouldn’t, because they are using expectations based on teams that don’t have that kind of player. Just like the 80’s

MacKinnon Makar Rantanen isn’t close. Pretty top end players. This is what I mean. Just like the graph from Yost posted by Foege Foegele, This team is driven by Connor, without him it’s far different, and that is at it should be

Jethro Tull

Mr. Snrub? You look a lot like Mr. Boo-urns.

Darryl8843

Not sure why LeBrun would say there is pressure. The reffing changes in the playoffs from period to period and game to game and series to series.I’m sure we will have the same garbage officiating.

Yukon Jerk
striker

The scales have been balanced. It is time.

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Scungilli Slushy

Sorry to go here, but I see that as evidence that the growth the team has seen is definitely due to the maturing of the best players. With the crazy advantage having Connor is, imagine if the rest of the team had more chops, which is not a cap related issue necessarily. Utter domination

Scungilli Slushy

Ok not sorry now

winchester

Nonsense. A minus 180 goal differential??

striker

I’m so excited for tomorrow game, I can’t get any work done today.

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Jethro Tull

So stoked. You?

striker

Dude
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Scungilli Slushy

I will not abide

judgedrude

It’s been so long since the WCF, it is almost as if we need an Advent Calendar and open a door for every day we have to wait.

If a Stanley Cup Finals “Advent” Calendar existed…what would be behind the doors you open?

We know Bieksa’s answer: Socks.

Bill

No bold or brash predictions from me, I will hope for the best. At the start of the season, I just about threw in the towel. Between this place, the posters who kept the faith and a team of players that kept plugging away… I applaud you all.
Thank you everybody, for helping keep my passion for the Oilers burning and alive.

Don’t touch alcohol anymore, but I’m rolling up a pile and I’m going to blaze away tomorrow night.

C’MON OILERS LET’S GO!!!!

striker

Odds flipping after game 1 fellas. Now or never.

Oilers win game 1, I can feel it in my plums (sorry not sorry for the EBAD plagiarism)

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McNuge93

Whoa there, we need to keep Florida over confident. I think we don’t stand a chance in game 1, they’re gonna run us right out of Florida.

striker

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Chelios is a Dinosaur

I hope this long break while having Edmonton as the underdog has allowed them to build anticipation and energy and adrenaline while maybe each day has allowed a bit of doubt to creep into the back of Florida’s mind.

Harpers Hair

Scouting The Refs
@ScoutingTheRefs

Congratulations to the 2024 Stanley Cup Final Officials:
Referees: Jean Hebert, Steve Kozari, Dan O’Rourke, Chris Rooney
Linesmen: Devin Berg, Ryan Daisy, Matt MacPherson, Jonny Murray

judgedrude

A Thumbs Up to HH for a post that is of interest to this community.

Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville

No, this was still a major troll because waste of skin knows full well Kozari is anti-Oiler and has a tendency to call games as such. Even before Connor showed him up, but especially after.

Last edited 5 months ago by Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville
cowboy bill

Kozari is Canadian after all.

Jethro Tull

Congratulations? Why? *Congratulations for turning up to work today, Jethro…”

Scungilli Slushy

They won the bagman contest!

striker

I hope to gord, that if Knobby starts Nurse-Ceci he switches back to Nurse-Kulak, Bro-Ceci quick. They need at least one person per pairing to quickly get the puck from the corner and pass it up.

OriginalPouzar

I hope they kill it and there is no need to make another switch.

Hoping that he switches it is hoping that if fails right?

striker

Yes, it is hoping that it fails. If he chooses to go forward with the foolhardy experiment, I hope it fails quick with a chance against (and not a goal) and he sees the error of his ways early rather than late. And I have faith Knob will adjust. Seems willing to switch up things that aren’t working. A great characteristic.

OriginalPouzar

Kulak made a mistake for a goal against on his very first shift on the right side with Nurse….

striker

Yes he did. All dmen do unless your surname is Lidstrom. He acknowledged it in a post-game interview. Still valuable on that pair imo.

You prefer the Nurse-Ceci pair or just playing the contrarian in this instance?

If yes, what do you like about that Nurse-Ceci pair in comparison to the Nurse-Kulak pair. Handedness, familiarity? Other?

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OriginalPouzar

I never said I preferred anything, I was just finding it odd that one was cheering for the pair to fail and then you hoped that at the first mistake they get changed so I provided an example in that regard.

The verbal today is that they thought Kulak did fine with Nurse but want him on the left side as the right side limits what he can bring.

striker

I find it odd that you find that odd.

Yea I know you didn’t say you prefer one over the other. That’s why I’m asking your opinion of which pairing option you prefer. I guess your answer is, whichever they choose to go with. Or rather, you’d prefer not to answer a la Bartelby. An institutionalist. Ok. Just thought you may have your own thoughts on the matter. Perhaps not.

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OriginalPouzar

My answer is whichever set-up helps them win the game that night and, to be honest, I’m not sure the answer there. I haven’t really loved either set-up but I haven’t loathed Nurse/Ceci as much as many – there was alot of context involved in those numbers.

I generally have opinions on these things but I just don’t know on this one.

I just find it odd that you are hopeful the set-up fails so that changes can be made. I hope, whichever way the coach goes on this one, it works wonderfully.

striker

I’m hopeful that the Nurse-Ceci experiment fails (if it even occurs) without burning the Oilers (in terms of a goal against) because if they start believing it will work, it will burn them later in the series, in my opinion.

Neither set up is ideal but in terms of microstats, Nurse and Ceci leave much to be desired with respect to exiting the zone, which will be a crucial part of beating Florida’s forecheck and heading in the other direction.

I can respect you not having a firm opinion on which pair you prefer. Based on the analytic evidence in the playoffs thus far, my preference is to have Kulak and Broberg be on different pairs since they both can move it quickly.

LMHF#1

I find the desire/preference to cheer for an underdog so strange.

I would much rather cheer for a heavy favorite that takes delight in dismantling opponents and setting records. I was too young in the 80s but I got the mid-late 90s Yankees. Now that was fun. We’re going to beat you because of course we’re going to beat you. We’re the best and get better every day. Our competition is ourselves. Deal with it.

delooper

But you’re missing a bit of a semantic quibble here. What does it mean to be an underdog? Some baseball commentators in Miami pick Florida to win, and that makes the Oilers an underdog?

Miami is a bigger city, so for standard commercial reasons, the voices there are given a bigger platform. That has nothing to do with the merits of the Oilers vs. the Panthers.

LMHF#1

Referring less to the current situation and more to the broader culture here.

Scungilli Slushy

For me it’s because of what they aren’t good at

Success has them lose their drive. Utterly dominating teams and losing leads. Getting ahead in a series and laying a stinker in the clinching game that they somehow won

I prefer them not to be favourites. A challenge seems to focus them. I prefer that they develop a killer instinct and are always favourites and do what you said

judgedrude

 What does it mean to be an underdog?

Underdog appears whenever love interest Sweet Polly Purebred is being victimized by such villains as Simon Bar Sinister or Riff Raff. Underdog nearly always speaks in rhyming couplets, as in “There’s no need to fear, Underdog is here!” [From Wikipedia]

On second though….I’m not sure if this answers your question. 😉

defmn

Love of one’s own is the short answer.

People empathize with those they feel a kinship to.

90s fan

We cheer for the underdog because it gives us hope in our own underdogness!

Chelios is a Dinosaur

I wonder what it would be like to watch something like Hunger Games with you.

LMHF#1

There would be excellent popcorn if nothing else.

Gerta Rauss

Friedman on 32 thoughts this morning re:salary cap for this year-

The number $87.7M is out there and that’s the 5% increase both sides agreed to in the MOU – however- the players debt to the owners is paid off and depending on projected revenue from the playoffs there is some talk both sides may “round up” the number to $88M

So a potential bump of $300k per team

ZedJunior

I’ve been cheering for this team for decades, and I’ve learned to be cautious, but I just, out of nowhere, envisioned Connor being handed the cup, and Draisaitl being given the Conn Smythe. Could see it so vividly in my mind. I don’t know if my nerves can take this series, I might have to go camping deep into the wilderness……

DevilsLettuce

I had a dream last night of a woman winning the lottery, no idea who the woman is or what the lottery was but BOOM! Oilers Stanley cup is my belief lol.

FILON

Probably a bit late but living overseas I sometimes don’t get listen to your show live, it I do try. Anyways in the spirit of equality after the previous shirts off for hot off, what about hang dong for bouch bomb?

ashley

I realize guys love seeing nude women and so it might seem logical to assume that women want to see nude men – but they just pretend to not want to as is sometimes assumed with things women say and do.

However, I will take this opportunity to educate all the fine men on this site: No woman wants to see your junk. Not a single one of them. It has the opposite effect that you experience seeing a nude woman. It’s revolting.

For the love of God, please keep it in your pants.

Scungilli Slushy

So… my wife is a dirty white liar?!

Admiral Ackbar

My wife begs to differ…

winchester

It is awesome that so many are picking Florida. Love it, and it plays right into the personality of the Oilers.
Connor says we always have to make it stressful. And by being favored, they would’ve had to go down a game or two just cause.

unfortunately I doubt the Florida coach nor the players are buying any of the hype. Paul Maurice is very smart and he won’t be taking the Oilers lightly. To Chuck stated they had no answer for McDavid when oilers played Calgary. He knows better so I’m not expecting any underestimating of the Oilers once the puck drops.

winchester

Also, pundits expecting this huge Florida aggressiveness. I think we see a cautious Florida team. No penalties. Cautious start.

pts2pndr2

It’s not all that complicated. The eastern group that do the hockey writing are not as young as they used to be so do not stay up and watch the western games. They write their articles based on what they read in the overview done by western writers. They are therefore not as knowledgeable as their western counterparts and some of their opinions and remarks pertaining to western teams or players on western teams are laughable!

Harpers Hair
Scungilli Slushy

Like the type that run a 3-1-1 and can’t score enough to win?

winchester

I find it fascinating.

All hockey folks and they make their decisions on all sorts of half assed opinions. They could make a math based argument, it’s there, but nope, nobody is going there.

Florida is greasy. Ok. But it’s not a wrestling match. End of the day you have to play hockey.

fascinating. How does the hockey world still see the Oilers? Now we know. They just will not change their opinion or their narrative.

Coaches beat by the Oilers want an easy answer. It’s McDavid. They don’t even look further. it’s ignorance among hockey men and that’s why I find it unique.

Im just a fan, but I find this underrated position very comfortable.

defmn

@TSNRyanRishaug

RNH-McD-Hyman
Kane-Drais-Holloway
Janm-Henrique-Brown
Foegele-McL-Perry

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Kulak
Broberg-Ceci

Skinner

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striker

I wonder which line will get more minutes. The Henrique line or the McLeod line? Henrique right?

defmn

Foegele may well be the first guy to change lines depending on how much he enjoyed the press box the last few games so I’m not sure guessing TOI for those two lines will hold.

OriginalPouzar

I haven’t listened to the coach’s avail yet to see if there is any context but:

1) some are going to freak out with Nurse/Ceci back together

2) Very interesting that both Carrick and Ryan are out but I do like Foegele back in the lineup, if this is indeed the case. Both of the bottom six lines could positively impact the game.

striker

Yes I will one of those to freak out over Nurse-Ceci back together if that is the case throughout the game. Need some skip to my lou to retrieve the puck in the corner and get it out to a forward. Bro/Kulak have that skill. Better to spread that skill over two pairs imo. It outweighs the handedness deficiency imo

90s fan

Wait, but aren’t Bro and Ceci together? So noone will freak out.

Coach is good at pulling poeple out and getting them back in.

OriginalPouzar

I didn’t read the post closely enough.

Rishaug corrected the tweet after – its Nurse/Ceci and Broberg/Kulak at practice today.

Fuhrious

The above Rishaug tweet has Nurse with Kulak and Broberg with Ceci. So…. not sure where Nurse-Ceci pairing talk is coming from…

judgedrude

This should be an outscoring 4th line:

Foegele-McL-Perry

Earlier in the year, we would have considered it a saw-off third line.

coops

Florida is an evil team – expect holding, tripping, boarding, high sticking and none to be called. Edmonton has better depth and more options on how to play. Perry and Kane will be key to match their diabolical play.

My call – Tkachuk will draw blood on an errant high stick, which will not be called. Scrum will ensue, and the Oilers will be on the PK. Book it.

Rafa Nadal

I’d like to not book any of that, thank you very much!

Boil-in-the-Oil

Kinda funny how the Panther pundits are saying Connor is over-rated bcuz he’s never won Stanley… how many times have the Panthers won the cup, NONE! And even more revealing, they have been to the finals twice, and have been BEATEN TWICE! Yup, they’ve got some good players, but they’re a bunch of LOSERS.

90s fan

So are superstars overated until the moment they hold the cup? are they overated if they are up by 5 in the 4rth win with a minute to go? What about after the 3rd win of the finals? overated? What about going into the finals? Like what is the magical single moment that the overated flips to rated correctly?

How many cups does a superstar have to lift? Mckinnnon only has one. He probably sucks. Greatest players in our era are obviously Crosby, Malkin, then Stamkos, Kuch, then Mackinnon, Eichel and Ovechkin, then the losers. Ovechkin used to be a loser. He isn’t anymore.

Darryl8843

Reading for the week most of the pundits picking the Panthers. There to experienced. There to big. There center depth is to much. How can they handle Tkachuk and Bennett? They have home ice advantage.
Im not guaranteeing an Oilers win but…..
Two conference finals and a semi final and 5 straight years in the playoffs. There is experience right there.
To big. Well LA and the Canucks were big and physical and they handed them.
Centre depth? Next question.
Tkachuk and Bennett. How did that work out for those two in the battle of Alberta?
Home ice? The Oilers play as well on the road as home. Also many of the Panthers have never experienced what they will see and hear in Edmonton

jvdiaz13

Oilers in 4 and win on home ice!!!!

Darryl8843

I’ll be there so I do hope you’re correct

Rafa Nadal

Bennett is a 40 point player in the regular season. Those are Foegele numbers. I don’t understand the hype around this player.

Elgin R

The hype is not about points, but how he can potentially change a game / series by being dirty. The punch to Marchand’s head is a prime example of that.

Darryl8843

We can definitely survive that to. LA are no Angels

danny

That was a butt-end more than a punch. One of the dirtiest things you can do in hockey just behind knee on knee.

Jethro Tull

It’s unspoken that he’s allowed to head hunt in the playoffs. Like asking some people how they’re getting home from the bar.

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Darryl8843

I guess because he’s there second best center which makes it more puzzling

godot10

Bennett has been showing up to play in the playoffs since he joined the Flames at the end of his draft + 1 season.

Foegele has played himself from the 2nd line to the pressbox this year. And has two goals and two assists in 25 playoffs games over the previous two seasons.

Toupée Shakur

32hrs to go, but who’s counting?

WhenConnorSmiles

Haha thanks. Keeping track of the hours is too hard for my little brain, I’ve been counting “sleeps”.

Melman

Is Vinny dinged up, or did Broberg just go in due to his mobility?

Scungilli Slushy

I haven’t heard injury, but Vinny was not doing well in goal share. Poor GF% and a high number of GA in limited TOI. Ceci as well, but Ceci is better than Vinny

Todd Macallan

Many are speculating Vinny has been injured since he got low-bridged by Trevor Moore early in the LA series but nothing confirmed.

danny

The most important people in this series may not be McDavid, Draisatl or Bouchard.

Florida are bringing 100% dedication and buy in to a system that will cause issues for the Oilers. They are a team that are stronger than the sum of their parts.

The deciding factor to this series will be Knoblauch and Coffey being able to make adjustments and settle the team. Coffey needs to make sure the defense and forwards are working together for effective edits from the zone, won’t be simple with Floridas forecheck.

We saw the team get on its heels multiple times from aggressive forechecks from Vancouver and Dallas. Florida will bring that more consistently than the Western teams above.

In my estimation this is the only area of concern heading into the final. All of the talk about depth and hitting is poppycock, the Oilers can match both of those things.

If they can carry puck out of the zone under control and cycle it in the offensive zone consistently, I don’t see Florida winning more than 1-2 games

It’s time for Knobby Coffey to shine.

Pretendergast

I predict there will be periods similar to Dallas where Florida’s cycle game is on display.

Continue to show poise in the zone and not break down/maintain discipline and the series is there for the taking.

Scungilli Slushy

I would add to that executing plays to what Florida gives up. Aggressive means things are left open. Florida leaves their slot open quite often. They are open to weak side exits like the Stars. For me Oilers aren’t great at making plays to the front of the net consistently, but if they can capitalize on the coverage issues they will dominate, there will be a lot of breakdowns from them

Also playing the style where they possess the puck a lot instead of sitting back as they have been. Make them play in their zone and be aggressive in the neutral zone and break up their exits

Rafa Nadal

There’s a real opportunity here for Bouchard to have a big series if he makes some elite passes to exit the zone.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes and if he gets behind coverage in the slot

Reja

This applies to Ekholm and the rest of the D. There’s a lane to sneak in down low like there was against Vancouver. Hopefully Coffey encourages his boys to activate.

rich tm

100%. This will be key.

Also, don’t underestimate how bad the ice will be in Sunrise. The games in Dallas taught them the need to simplify things at times because it will be slushy the 2nd half of any period.

jimmers

My worry is that Maurice remembers how well his Jets did riding, hooking, crosschecking and waterskiing off of McDavid a few years back, with not a single foul called. Not one. If the refs call nothing (and would you honestly be surprised?) it will be tough going.

danny

That was very effective back when EDM were a jailbreak offense. EDM relied on Connor breaking the zone with speed almost exclusively. They are a much more rounded offensive team than before and capable of storing off the cycle. Let the cats take stupid penalties if they want

Elgin R

To call those Florida pundits ‘writers’ is absolutely hilarious. They cannot even spell. I will fix it for them at no charge (Canadians are just nice this way): when discussing Leon the proper spelling is WINNER not whiner.

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Scungilli Slushy

I hope the Panthers are taking it all in, reading every piece

Scungilli Slushy

As someone mentioned the other day, that team from the hinterlands, the most populous northern city in the world I believe, that not many outside of central/northern Alberta watch much, other than highlights of Mr Cheat Mode, is being disrespected. Not many are mentioning the Connor factor, as they did with Wayne, until he destroyed them with victories and Cups

It is as it was. Perfect. Teach them all a lesson lads!

Halfwise

>the most populous northern city in the world I believe

I had heard that too, and believed it, until I realized that Moscow is farther north and ten times bigger.

I’d go with ‘most populous in the Western Hemisphere’, though.

striker

Moscow, and the Nordics i.e. Helsinki, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen are higher latitude but their climate is moderated by the jetstream (except during the Younger-Dryas).

Scungilli Slushy

Seems they got us by 2 degrees

Rafa Nadal

The current Oilers look pretty good on paper, especially compared to that 2021 team, sheesh. A competent GM hired in the next 3 weeks has a golden opportunity to make this team even better next year while Drai and Bouch are still cheap.

OriginalPouzar

Any cap commitment added this season needs to be VERY careful about having ANY term as 2025/26 has the extensions for those two lads!

hunter1909

Had really been looking forward to the run up to the finals until realising that 95% of the chatter is Florida wins the cup blah blah blah which makes one want the games to start asap just to shut these hack journalists up.

Please Oilers just win game 1, to start the series. We can talk about game 2 later.

Neumann

A couple days ago there was a post discussing right hand/shot v left hand/shot. Seeing as there has been no games to watch I decided to dig into this a little bit more. It is of particular interest to me because I am left handed for fine motor skills (writing and using utensils to deliver food to my face) and right handed for gross motor skills like playing lacrosse (although I learned to pass and catch with both hands out of necessity), hockey, football, golf and racquet sports.

Handedness is a human’s preference for using one hand over the other because it is more dextrous, faster and stronger. 90% of the population is right handed, 10% is left handed and there is a small fraction of the population that is truly ambidextrous (equally dominant with both hands) and cross dominant (use certain hands for certain tasks). 

There is also eye dominance where visual input is preferred in one eye over the other, 70% of the population is right eye dominant. Think of aiming to shoot a gun or a bow and arrow. Which eye would you line up?

Below are some numbers I was able to find for handedness amongst pro athletes. Some were very easy to find and some a little more difficult.

924 Skaters played in the NHL in 2023-24. 61.7% were left shot.. 57.5% of defensemen were left shot and 63.9% of forwards were left shot. 98 goalies played and 91 of them used their left hand to catch. This likely means they are left shot hockey players and right handed for throwing a ball, think baseball catch left throw right. Side note: apparently Vasilevskiy would have preferred to catch right handed as a youth but the equipment wasn’t available to him so he learned to play goalie catching with his left hand. 

In the PGA 5-7% of the golfers on tour at any point in time are left handed. There have only been 14 left handed golfers to win on the tour, with Phil Mickelson leading the way at 45 wins. 

On the current 40 man rosters* in the American League with the MLB there are 666 athletes.
In terms of hitting 27.6% bat left, 67.6% bat right, and 4.8% are switch hitters (about two per team).  19.2% throw left handed and 80.8% throw right handed. *getting this data would have been much easier if they were actually 40man rosters, I counted players on the Injury list because the data was there.

The NBA doesn’t list what hand players shoot with on their website but I was able to find that in 2022 39 left handed shooters played in the NBA and approximately 550 players dressed for a game that season making 7.1% of players left handed shooters.

Last year in the NFL 75 quarterbacks threw a pass. 1 of them was left handed, Tua Tagovailoa. Making 1.33% of QBs left handed. Again the NFL website doesn’t list what foot kickers (place kickers and punters) use. 

The National Lacrosse League (box lacrosse) also doesn’t list handedness for players. From my experience being involved with amateur and professional lacrosse, teams aim to balance their rosters with left and right handed players, especially on offense. In the field lacrosse form that is more prevalent in the US, players have a dominant hand but are very capable of playing both ways. My guess is that the numbers here would be close to 50/50.
I tried to find data on cricket and handball. Nothing was readily available and I didn’t want to dig too deep. 

In summary hockey is an outlier with a majority of the players being left handed shots. I mentioned a theory that young kids first play mini sticks one handed holding with their right hand and as they transition to bigger sticks and playing hockey they keep their right hand on the top and put their left hand on the bottom making them left shooters. Those that end up right handed likely do so because their dominant hand/foot is their right. Meaning they throw and kick with their right hand/foot. The mechanics of throwing, shooting, swinging and striking are very similar and right handed hockey players at a young age probably feel more comfortable rotating around their left foot and hip with their right arm.

judgedrude

More RH Canadians shoot left than other nations.

The idea is that young kids grab a mini stick with their dominant hand and whack a puck/ball etc. When they get older, it becomes more natural to then put their non-dominant hand on the lower part of the stick. So, RH dominant kids tend to shoot left.

It is also beneficial for poke checking with one hand for young kids that do not have strength in their non-dominant hand. So, kids stick with it. There are articles out there talking about this.

It is weird, though, how our body adapts our non-dominant side. I always considered myself very much RH dominant, but couldn’t ever catch a ball with my right hand. I kick right, but jump left…definitely left eye dominant even though it is no longer my “good eye”.

Scungilli Slushy

I read once that they thought it might be about what age kids start playing at and what they do when they start. Many Canadians start very young, and most people being RH, little kids would naturally hold the top of the stick with their stronger hand or dominant hand

That would occur less if they started later and the non dominant hand is stronger – they could choose. I am quite one handed on the right side, I shoot right, to me it seems weird to want the left hand in the control position lower down the stick. Also I want the stronger arm pushing the swing through. Top hand doesn’t do much

JJS

Thanks for doing this. Great info.

Of note, 30% of Canadian golfers shoot left – clearly a hockey effect. Some of my friends golf left but putt right. Figure that one out!!

SkatinginSand

Hand dominance in hockey has nothing to do with mini sticks. It was that way long before anyone ever thought of mini sticks. I was there

Jethro Tull
SkatinginSand

Maybe in the “Centre of the Universe” , but as the article states, they did not really become a thing until the 1980s, definitely in western Canada the late 80s. As a teacher, that was the first that I first started seeing them

Neumann

Do you have a different theory you’d care to share? I don’t have the answer. Just curious.

SkatinginSand

In my day, every boy got a straight bladed, wooden stick and was left to figure out which way they shot on their own. Being left handed, I shot right, and in my decidedly underwhelming hockey career, never had to worry about playing left defence. I have heard an hypothesis that it is easier for a young kid to control a hockey stick with their dominant hand on top. Baseball and golf are different because your hands are together. There was once speculation that the reason that Americans did not have as many right handed, left shooting players was the baseball influence. Interestingly, my right handed grandson shoots left and my left handed grandson shoots right.

Neumann

Love it thanks. In the end manipulating an object with a stick with a task in mind like move the object to a other person or into a target will have a level of self organization where the person will eventually chose the method that achieves the result most efficiently.

godot10

They mislabeld hockey sticks from the beginning. They should have labeled left shot sticks right shot, and right shot sticks, left shot.

godot10

Exactly. The Russians didn’t have mini sticks.

judgedrude

Sorry Neumann… I didn’t read to the end and then said the same thing. Obviously, in agreement.

Light reading to hold everyone over until tomorrow night.

Linking the preference in a bilateral asymmetric task with handedness, footedness, and eyedness: The case of ice-hockey

Neumann

No sweat. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to reading.

Toupée Shakur

So, I am right hand and left eye dominant (not a good combo at the shooting range) and shoot/swing left for hockey, baseball and golf. Never owned a mini-stick…. Does this make me some kinda weirdo or am I a unicorn? My guess is weirdo….

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SkatinginSand

Did you start hockey first?

lenko

Generally if you pick up a broom and go to sweep that would likely indicate how to shoot. Right handers mostly are left hand shots in hockey.

Tampanadian You Betcha Bahd

Slightly off topic, trying to kill some more minutes of this ghastly long break.
 
Any other Rock’em Sock’em Hockey fans? Specifically, the first tape through about #12. Once they switched to DVD from VHS my interest “tapered” off.
 
I must have put about 1500 miles on those video cassettes. Usually while stickhandling and shooting tennis/street hockey balls in the basement, with my parents yelling at me to stop putting holes in the drywall and knocking down suspended ceiling tiles. The last couple of times trying to watch them, even the VCR tracking buttons couldn’t get the fuzziness from the screen. Got my parent’s money’s worth out of those a few times over. Great investment on their part.
 
Man was hockey dirty fun in the 80’s and 90’s. I can’t even imagine the 70’s. “Beauty hit!”, Grapes would say to every elbow to the head, cross check, charge, or sometimes just a punch to the face. No prisoners!
I’m sure the reffing was better back then, though, pretty sure.
 
Those men were warriors, and their parents probably thought they were soft. Going back, each generation seemed to be even tougher than the last. Pretty sure Gordie Howe’s stick was actually a 2×4 and his skates were actually sawblades from the mill he worked at between periods.
 
I can’t even wrestle my 9-year-old without getting hurt. But my 9-year-old is a mucker and a grinder, Grapes would be a fan of her.

Reja

2-Game suspension for having a sense of humour.

Tampanadian You Betcha Bahd

The Hansons taught me everything I know, out of the game before the anthem is over.

godot10

When Don Cherry tried to turn pro hockey into professional wrestling, and promoted the era of staged fignting and goonery. He poisoned the minds of many young hockey players for a generation.

All for a quick buck.

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hunter1909

Youtube watched Evander Kane walking and moving effortlessly and normally for all of 5 seconds when Oilers were shown arriving in Florida earlier today.

Considering how important he’s going to be in the upcoming games this is major news.

ps: popstar Drake has reportedly bet 500K on an Oilers win.

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striker

Also 500K on the Mavs so I guess he’ll break even.

Brantford Boy

It’s seldom I correct you LT… but there’s only one Nuge! In fact he’s not even listed on your roster above and was probably already back checking when they released the game sheet.

I was and still am very happy with the Henrique acquisition and I also hope he re-signs this summer. Hell, he even led the team in hits in the LA series which was unexpected.

McDavid has been dreaming of this moment since he was conceived. There is one opponent in the way. In the words of the Hulk… “Hulk Smash!”. It’s his destiny!

I have the Oilers in 6, on home ice… book it!

OriginalPouzar

I’m not even sure they will have the room to fit in Henrique around $3MM next season and he’s likely to want more than that.

Even if they can find a way, this is the type of re-sign they need to be VERY careful on vis-a-vis 2025/26 with the Bouch and Drai extensions.

Pretendergast

Panthers (ie. click bait media) thinking they can intimidate missed the series last year.

Tkachuk was put on a stretcher.
Gudas got stood up by human bowling ball Barbashev.

They responded by adding Oliver Ekman Larsson.

The Oilers won’t be intimidated. They can play the nasty. Even Bouchard has added some filth. Vincent Desharnais should he play is an actual nightmare netfront (Seguin was on the side for a reason).

Up front Kane, Leon, Hyman for functional toughness. Foegele, Perry, Carrick, general toughness. There will be no intimidation.

How has the narrative gone ‘how will the Oilers handle Tkachuk and Bennett?’

How the hell will the Panthers handle Connor and Leon?

Rafa Nadal

Also Goalie Bob isn’t as good as the pundits think he is. He lost the starter’s job last year and is being boosted by a very solid system in front of him. Hopefully the Oilers prove this theory correct.

striker

So I’m not stuck in here with you, you’re stuck in here with me?

JJS

It always amazes me how optimistic I was prior to each season even though the team was consistently a few inches off plumb. This is the McDavid effect.

AsiaOil

So I was pondering how the so called experts think FLA is so much better – they’re not:

Forwards 
McDavid >> Barkov (this is not close)
Hyman = Reinhart
RNH = Verhague

Drai >> Bennett (this is not close)
Kane/Perry < Tkachuk (Kane is hurt, if not, could be equal, let Perry save up one last burst and torment the turtle for a game)
Holloway < Rodrigues (important matchup but Holloway could give the journeyman a run

Henrique > Lundell (the old guy is still better)
Brown = Luostarinen (old Brown is back in the last two rounds )
Janmark = Tank (I think Janmark – our best defensive forward – neutralizes the Russian completely)

McLeod > Stenlund
Foegle > Okposo
Carrick/Ryan >Lomberg

Defense
Bouchard/Ekholm >> Ekblad/Forsling (Oiler pair probably the best in the NHL right now now)
Nurse/Kulak = Mikola/Montour (chaos on both sides)
Broberg/Ceci = Ekmann-Larsson/Kulikov (Broberg was wonderful against Dallas and could make a difference)

Goal
Bobrovsky > Skinner (maybe-maybe not)

My take is advantage Oilers on L1, advantage Cats on L2 but it depends on Kane’s health, and advantage Oilers on L3 & L4. I think our bottom 6 will surprise people this round. Get Foegle in as he is fresh and could take advantage of old Okposo. Same potential with our bottom defensive pair and goaltending. Florida is going to have to make hay against our 2nd line and 2nd defensive pair – if they don’t – they won’t win. Oilers in 6 and play la bamba at home.

OriginalPouzar

Generally somewhat fair, Oilers’ slanted but not egregious except I would suggest that even a healthy Kane isn’t close to Tkachuk even taking in to account Kane’s truculence.

AsiaOil

Sure it’s a little slanted in that I think our L3 can shutdown (or even slightly out-score) their L3. Their L4 and 3rd defensive pair are weak sauce. Barkov is very good but not in the same neighborhood as the best player of this generation. If Kane was healthy I’d be confident he could get very very far into Turtles head. History has shown this to be true. Perry can also probably do a good job of this for one game since Turtle is no speedster. But that is the one and only matchup where they have a clear advantage

OriginalPouzar

I think Tkachuk is a MUCH more mature player than he was in 2022

Ice Sage

For those keeping score on the punditry, ESPN has a more measured panel of predictions, ‘only’ 13/21 for Panthers with the veteran hockey writers i.e. those that love the sport (Bucci, Wysh) leaning Oilers.
Tomorrow’s gonna be a looooong day, am thankful for my Honeydo list for once!

hunter1909

Will have to check out ESPN now. Honestly this is amazing. The “experts” eg Toronto Maple Leafs centric Overdrive hacks unanimously picked the Florida flakes. As does nearly everyone else have seen to date.

OriginalPouzar

I was thinking just yesterday, thank goodness the games are at 6 – seems so early not having to wait.

With that said, truth be told, with how crazy client work is, 8 is easier these days.

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OriginalPouzar

Ugh, Jake Virtanen, bring that guy to camp was such a weird and “no-win” move. There was zero upside. Low reward and high risk. Not tangible risk, I guess, but reputational risk.

That one was mind-boggling.

John Chambers

Virtanen was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing.
Still not a very good hockey player.

OriginalPouzar

Which changes nothing in my post.

leadfarmer

Dear Oilers if you guys could just win the cup on game 4 when I’m in the building, that would be great!

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

The twitter is saying the Canes are offering up Guentzal’s signing rights for a mid-rounder pick.

Interesting.

Gotta think the Pens circle back.

rich tm

Word is he wants to go to Chicago and play with Bedard.

Jethro Tull

Jeez Louis. That was only 3 years ago. Those were truly the years McDavid and Drai carried us. Talk about one set of footprints in the sand. How did we ever think that team had a chance? I’m going to compare the depth the Penguins surrounded Crosby with before he won his first. Holland had a lot to get out from under while improving the team.

AsiaOil

Holland made one big mistake (Campbell) but also hit a couple of massive home runs (Hyman, Ekholm). Kane probably would have been just as impactful if not for the injuries. Holland also did one thing that previous mgmt never even tried to do – consistently make small incremental improvements. The previous gang wasted a decade swinging for home runs instead of the small wins that build championships.

Jethro Tull

I’m so stoked! Are you dudes stoked?

Optimism is like heroin

I work nights so will be watching while I eat my cheerios. Might be bailey’s in the coffee too.

Jethro Tull

For a second I thought it said “Might be bailey’s in there too.” Bailey’s as breakfast milk – nice.

Optimism is like heroin

Now that would make cheerios worth eating

Mayan Oil

Now THAT puts the cheer in Cheerio’s!

Pretendergast

Hell ya brother

striker

Dude, so stoked

Jethro Tull

Stoked!