The Oilers are well positioned for the future in amateur procurement. The scouting department was gifted a first-round selection this year, and from all reports took the sharpest knife in the drawer. Since arriving as Edmonton’s CEO, Jeff Jackson has hired Rick Pracey (scouting director), Kalle Larsson (senior director of player development, knows USHL backwards and will work to improve development of the AHL Condors and NHL Oilers), and Michael Parkatti (senior director of data and analytics, the smartest math people I know consider him to be exceptional) in an effort to improve the team top to bottom in procurement and beyond.
What does this mean for 2024-25? I think the group mentioned, along with pro and amateur scouting, could help the NHL Oilers and AHL Condors this year.
Do you remember when Vincent Desharnais was spiking in Bakersfield and still didn’t have an NHL deal with Edmonton? Remember, he signed an NHL contract March 2, 2022. In the 2021-22 season, Desharnais posted 68-35 (+33, 66 percent goal share) at evens in the AHL this season and played most of it as an individual who could have signed a contract with any NHL team.
One hopes the Oilers are building an organization that recognizes trending players in real time and then takes advantage of the opportunity. They have smart people, both math and eye test, and an owner eager to win the Stanley Cup.
So, what does the procurement model look like? I’ve been trumpeting a few names over the summer (this item has a couple of quality names) but that’s based on limited information and limited evaluation skills. These cats are smart. I know Parkatti has a big brain and my USHL contacts rave about Larsson. This is good stuff.
Edmonton has been successful in getting quality talent signed, we’ve seen that with Desharnais, James Hamblin, Noah Philp and more recently with James Stefan, Brady Stonehouse and Connor Ungar.
What we should look for is more signings. Throw enough against a wall and something will stick. I sincerely believe the Oilers are heading in a very good procurement direction. I’m excited to discover the names they’ll sign in the years to come.
New for The Athetic: Which Oilers have the most to gain from the Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway offer sheets?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5705922/2024/08/18/oilers-broberg-holloway-offer-sheets/
Is this what smart management looks like?
The Oilers are now in position in which they could qualify both, but no longer need to qualify either?
It seems if the LTIR Kane and send Pod or Brown down they’re good
Until he comes back, then what?
You have time to see who’s meeting expectations and who isn’t and address it ahead of or at the deadline. Nothing wrong with that. Just might have to do it sooner depending on how Kane’s rehab goes.
To think, if they just would have done this (everything pointing to it, cap, stats, eyeballs) when JJ was active then no offer sheets and players at half their new price
No more dithering
That is a decent sized crater on RHD for a Cup Contender.
Lots of tweeners, Stecher with the biggest sample but only one season of a full slate of games in the last five years.
Interesting times.
So with the surprise Ceci trade last night, combined with the Pod trade from Vancoucer: walk Holloway, match Broberg?
Match both. Pod can be competition for Perry.
Wow. I go to bed and Stan the man makes a couple of tidy trades.
I like the Ceci-Emberson trade. Only gave up a 3rd, and got back a player who is more than just a bag of pucks. Sharks fans aren’t thrilled.
IMO, it’s a second up arrow for Bowman today.
My only concern (as it would have been all along) is that we don’t know that Broberg is truly ready for second-pairing minutes. If not, then we’re counting on one of Stecher, Emberson, or Brown. (Well, I’m also a little concerned about a potentially disgruntled Broberg, although $4.7M + second-pairing minutes might assuage him until his next contract negotiation.)
And if we’re paying $4.7M instead of $1.8M, then we don’t have room to trade for a 2RD at the deadline if Broberg falters. (And we can’t trade Broberg for that 2RD. Or our 2025 first-round pick.)
No backsies!
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Yeah, if Emberson is on the way up and Ceci on the way down, this trade could look good. Agree that it’s a very solid bet.
2RD remains a bit of a question. It is good that we have several campaigners for it.
Your concerns are valid- our right side is Bouchard and then the Tumbling Dice of Broberg, Stecher, Brown, Emberson, and then the AHL crew
The right side could be an adventure
I’m wondering if there is another move yet … Broberg would be better off playing 3LD. Stecher, Emberson and Brown are pretty good depth. Stecher is an experienced vet with good wheels who can be a stopgap at 2RD. Emberson is a KK guy … I think there is a strong chance he plays more than 50 games, as long as he has better luck with injuries this season. He’s this year’s Vinny at 3RD.
If both Broberg and Holloway are retained, then we will still need to shed cap space when Kane gets back.
Trading Ceci gets us about 2.25 million. Trading Kulak gets 2.75 million. Broberg is going to get 4.7 million. We were just over 300K above the cap before St. Louis did us dirty.
I’m thinking Holloway is not going to be retained, as well. They just brought in his replacement in Podkolzin for 4th and will get back a 3rd for letting Holloway walk. Both are 23 year former first round picks that have not met expectations in the NHL.
If Holloway is gone, there could be some interesting competition at F between Pederson, Philp, Podkolzin, Lavoie, Jarventie, Hamblin and Savoie. Will be fun to watch!
Not to mention some spirited competition for 3RD and 7D. More interesting when there are actual spots up for grabs, rather than the roster being pretty much set before camp even starts….
Also will be Knobby’s first camp as Oilers coach.
Bring – It – On.
Are you talking the entire season? Or training camp?
Jarventie, Hamblin, Savoie and probably Pederson are distant bells, at best. I suppose Pederson’s skill and utility (and experience) could be a wild card. But the first three have almost zero chance to make the team out of camp (aside from the likelihood of Savoie being on the roster day one as a paper transaction).
Lavoie’s time is now. Podkolzin will come in with a chip on his shoulder.
The dance card is filling up, eh?
We live in Interesting Times. I can’t wait for the next few days, between the offer sheet scenario and Drai possibly signing soon, it will be nice to have clarity on the roster.
Per 2 Mutts (who did have the Ceci trade 1st):
t’s still uncertain whether the @EdmontonOilers will match on Holloway & Broberg as a lot of factors are still at play. One source says yes they will match on both but we shall see.
Paul Coffey is very high on Broberg from what we are hearing he’s been involved in this process.
As for Leon Draisaitl he plans on getting to Edmonton very soon here, some talk about him being in the city over the next 7-10 days which is very normal for Leon to be here this early ahead of the Captain Skates in early September.
This could help the contract extension process as well as next week will be a very busy week for Stan Bowman, Jeff Jackson & company. The plan is to have Leon signed before those skates start
Holloway-Savoie-Podkolzin could be very interesting
I can’t believe how fast Jackson filled the empty prospect forward cupboard.
Not a mention of Bowman having anything to do with any of these moves tonight.
Is that how it is going to be around here? The invisible GM?
Anything good that happens it’s because of Action Jackson anything on the other side of the scale it’s that guy from Chicago’s vault.
That’s how it looks for many here.
Per Bruce Curlock:
This may lead to a Kulak trade so Broberg can play LD.
Vancouver is interested.
Not to mention Knoblauch had him in Hartford for a season. That had to play a part.
Is Curlock is saying he’s a match for 3RD? Or 2RD? He was playing 18:33 Min/GP with SJS. That’s threshold for second pairing. Only 30 GP apparently due to injury. The experience with Knoblauch makes it feel like this guy has a chance at 2RD, and his skillset seems to match with Broberg. I know, sounds crazy
That’s what I was thinking.
I watched all of Holloway’s games in WI and they had a very vanilla DCorps, no dynamic dman on the roster, but Emberson always stood out with his skating, poise with puck in his own end and solid positioning. I think he fits nicely on the 3rd pair, with Stecher os 2RD.
So who can be acquired for Kulak?
Hmmm…. according to Oilersnation, the Russian struggled with offence but is above league average defensively in his time with the Nucks.
Also according to them, the new D we got is a big, strong shut down D, who has performed good on PK and has been very strong in his 30 games with SJ this last year. If he gets less than 50 games with us this year, he becomes a ‘Group VI FA at teh end of the year, otherwise he is still RFA.
This could be a very strong piece of work today overall. Now, if the tea leaves are right, we are walking from Holloway and keeping Broberg. We need Broberg to pop this year in a big way.
Funny, I thought they would keep Holloway and walk Broberg at those Cap hits. I guess my ex was right…. I am not the smartest man ibn the room, even when alone… har de har.
I guess it is a good day when life can still surprise me😁
It’s interesting because it could still go in any direction. They need to lose 800k now to be cap compliant while Kane is on LTIR. There is a way to argue matching both, matching either one or not matching both even after these moves so we’ll see what tomorrow brings.
They can have a 22 man roster without another move other than Kane on LTIR.
I think they match, with VP pencilled in as 4 RW.
I think so as well. No need to rush on anything now. Time to let things play out and see how it goes.
Quick glance at Canucks Nation shows some confused and disappointed fans.
Always a plus but it sounds like they were clinging to the idea Podz may be a late bloomer.
No backsies!!
“Quick glance at Canucks Nation shows some confused and disappointed fans”
Sounds like a normal day in Gastown.
It does seem to be a surprising trade unless Podz asked to be traded and the Canucks obliged him.
The kid has been around since being drafted
-drafted in the 3rd round 2018 by Arizona 71OV
-traded to NYR in July of 22 to the Rangers in the Patrick Nemeth deal (largely a cap dump)
-Rangers lost him on waivers Sept 2023 to the San Jose Sharks
-Sharks traded him to the Oilers tonight
The soft parade is leaving town one by one. Mcflyby , Foeggy, now Ceci. It’s like the TV is listening to me.
Every trade scenario I did was with SJ, hilarious
They were in a big need for a RD so we now know Bowman is as good at deals as Holland. Depressing
I think you might be undervaluing Emberson in this. He looks to be an actual NHL player on the cheap that played 18 mins a night with a 60% D zone start, played the PK and has decent offense. That has value.
And Knoblauch has to have had a say as well having had him play for him for a season in 22-23. This wasn’t just a cap dump.
Please show your work.
Everyone and their dog knew this was about moving cap. Nice not to pay too much of a premium, nice to get more back than a bag of pucks.
Oh happy day (oh happy day)
Oh happy day (oh happy day)
When Bowman traded (when Bowman traded)
When Bowman traded (when Bowman traded)
Cody Ceci away.
Hugo’s going to bite you for that in the chase godot10 re-re-re-rela-relay.
I may not be a nice person, but the facts are the facts. Foegele is gone, and Ceci is gone. I was NOT wrong.
Des is gone
McLeod is gone
McLeod went for Savoie. It was a hockey trade. Nothing wrong with Ryan McLeod.
It was poor asset management to lose Desharnais. They could have traded Ceci earlier, offered fair deals to Broberg and Holloway, and there would have been enough money to sign Desharnais. Desharnais would have been a nice stopgap to Wanner, and the loss of his physicality will hurt. But he had topped out as a 3rd pairing D and PKer. So trying somebody else is not fatal. He was a good player for his role but was a cap casualty. That happens.
Nothing wrong with Highlander other than playoff GF% and saying perimeter was ok
Barbara Ann Scott will have a 15 year career without ever scoring 20. Speed keeps you in the league. Meanwhile Savoie will be lighting the lamp for 10 years.
Emberson is more physical, a much better skater & better with the puck than Vinny. This is a cunning move.
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We have officially watched the final game of Nurse – Ceci as an Oilers defensive pair. You have no idea how happy I am.
https://x.com/NHL_Sid/status/1825372866159767691
Nurse – Ceci just had to end.
Game 1 of the SCF against Florida, man that pairing had a tough night.
San José has no retention spots left, so when they trade Ceci in February his full salary will limit his return for the Sharks.
They have no pressing need to trade him.
And his pro-rated contract at that time will be peanuts.
That’s ok, EDM will have accrued enough cap by then.
Sail on Ceci … 15th overall pick who has played almost 800 games. Maligned as an Oiler but a solid pro … we could have done much worse than Ceci, after Larsson left the Oilers unexpectedly.
Yup, well said.
Oilers fell one goal short of lifting Stanley with Ceci playing a big part on the team.
Ceci cost the Oilers two Cups. I don’t blame him for the first.
Childish behavior.
Many agree with that
I wouldn’t put all blame though
Incorrect. Turris lost it all. Perhaps Rattie, most definitely Eberle.
🤡
Pathetic post by you.
You have absolutely zero evidence that he cost the Oilers anything.
As per Puckpedia, the Oilers can match both offer sheets and be cap compliant by putting Kane on LTIR and sending down one player with a cap hit of $801K of more.
Please explain how they get cap compliant to LTIR Kane
With Pod the are still ~5 over with 23
He’ll be along shortly but the Oilers will be using ‘off season” LTIR
That exists?
Yes – we’ve discussed this previously and I’m not going to get into it tonight
They send one player (Josh Brown) down and then place Kane on LTIR.
They do not have to be compliant prior to putting Kane on LTIR.
They can have a 22 man roster without sending anybody down as long as Kane is on LTIR.
Sail on Dylan Holloway. Would have a nice piece on the 3rd line but the Russian was a higher pick one year earlier.
So at present if we match Broberg, walk from Holloway, Kane goes LTIR – we would be compliant by waiving Ryan or Perry at the end of camp. Easy peasy and you keep making deals until the roster is set to get the roster sorted. The blackmail card is gone as we don’t have a cap gun at our heads anymore.
I like Kulak but he is a $2.75 million luxury on the 3rd pair that we can’t afford. Deal him for a nice piece now that the hostage situation is over.
Problem is the Russian hasn’t been an NHL player since his rookie season and wasn’t even impactful in the AHL last season.
Maybe the plan is for his to play 3LW but based on the AHL last season, Lavoie is the current better player.
Change of scenery. Bet on the Nichushkin model without all the….outside noise…
I feel bad for Cody Ceci – he was a well liked guy who had some good stretches as an Oilers (he was very solid in his 1st year of the contract).
The Oilers didn’t want to trade him from all accounts – per Servavelli and Friedman they had a market for him all summer – but its business.
Ceci to Emberson is a downgrade – end stop, but it saves well over $2MM on the cap.
Broberg will have pressure at the 2RD spot with Emberson at 3RD, I suppose.
I hope they go
Nurse/Bouchard
Ekholm/Broberg
Kulak/Embersom
Emberson needs to play 50 NHL games or he becomes a Group VI UFA.
Emberson is organizational depth on the right side. It’ll be a competition at camp, but I see Stecher and Brown in the major league with Kemp and Ember as top recall options.
Small sample size, but in his only NHL time (30 games with SJ last season his defense was well above league average). It is his offence that was almost non existent. According to ON anyway… if true, he will have something to say about that 3 RD spot methinks.
Potential Post-Trades Actions:
Match Broberg
Waive Holloway
Sharks claim Holloway
They would not match and then waive Holloway. They would just take the 3rd Rounder.
Methinks you missed the last couple days’ worth of discussion surrounding the CBA.
Trading Ceci absolutely without question the Oilers are matching Broberg. Which I 100% endorse. I mentioned yesterday it seemed to simple to trade Ceci and
match Broberg.
Is Ty Emberson any good?
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/365043/ty-emberson
I’m not sure
Played for Knob in the AHL and reportedly was voted best defensive dman in the east, so that’s something.
OK, so the Koach is familiar with him – that is something
Good catch – K2 being familiar with him means he’s got a chance similar to how Vinny established himself under Woody.
Fear the Fin has an article detailing that he was playing well relative to their terrible team but had a run of unfortunate injuries which derailed his season.
My first thought was that he was just window dressing to hide the fact that he had to pay a pick to move Ceci, but perhaps there’s more.
He did play 16:37 last season at 5v5 on the Sharks. He did kill penalties.
He does not appear to have wheels.
Hard to say, but my initial impression was just another player going the other way to improve the optics of a trade.
But on the other hand, he is a defenseman and he is right-handed.
From his 2018 draft year
https://madison.com/10-ty-emberson/article_1bcfb40f-8a47-5f61-ae7c-bfe6a00cc6a9.html
Holloway would’ve played with him during his 2 seasons in Wisconsin too.
A Coyotes development camp ranking from Sept 2021
https://gophnx.com/ranking-the-coyotes-top-15-prospects-as-development-camp-concludes/
10 pts in 30 games on a bad team isn’t nothing either. Certainly appearing to be more than just a throw in.
My initial impression may be pie in the sky but I think he’s from the Adam Larsson tree (best case scenario)
Last Word on Sports scouting report
https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2018/06/10/ty-emberson-scouting-report-2018-nhl-draft/
Yeah, he certainly could be capable of playing bottom pairing minutes. Creates some competition for Stetcher at least.
I’ve always said that I do like shopping for 24 y/o d who’ve played on bad teams.
In absolute terms, Emberson is slightly above average in top speed.
In relative terms, playing about 1/3 of a season he managed to nearly equal league average speed bursts (25/30), while basically covering a 60th percentile pace of ice if he played a full season at a pro-rated level.
NHL Edge data is a work in progress that needs some baselines to effectively equivocate.
I agree with others here, there’s some smart maths folks at work with picking this player. EDM may have actually acquired a rough gem.
Bowman burning the midnight oil. We will love him or hate him tomorrow. Going to be a interesting day.
Broberg is going to need a 90pt season to meet expectations lol
I’m in my shop sharpening old Franky pitch fork with a crooked smile.
Folks better temper their expectations.
I think the true judgement should be season 2 of the contract.
Bowman working late at night. Without looking at the cap picture and Kane’s LTIR. Both might be kept. The fact they got a player back is shocking.
Face value it looks like Pod in, Bro stays, Kane LTIR, holloway out.
i have no idea.
It’s wild that they’ve moved out Ceci now and could keep both Holloway and Broberg, Match one, or match neither and suddenly be cap-compliant with Kane’s LTIR money to play with.
I agree. I have no idea either
— Doesn’t it seem almost a lock they are keeping Brah and Pod replaced Halloway: numbers basically match up.
— I guess they could trade for another D if both Ceci and Brah gone. Seems unlikely
https://youtu.be/DVJkfXeTs9Q?si=6bW67R2BhQ9iEKJo
I believe with Ceci gone there is now room for both Bro and Holloway under the cap with Kane on ltir.
Maybe Podkolzin was the Perry replacement? One can hope at least.
I think they might still let Holloway go. They aren’t quite compliant by matching both with Kane on LTIR (they still need $800,541 in space) so one player has to go (anybody but Stecher would make this work though)
Josh Brown at 1M to Bako. Done.
Josh Brown and Derek Ryan seem to be obvious choices for demotion but I would think the Oilers are unlikely to go that route.
PuckPedia’s calculation doesn’t have Savoie on the team which they probably want to avoid his bonus if they want to bring him up later in the season with Kane going on LTIR.
It includes Holloway, Broberg, Podkolzin, Emberson and the rest of those with one way contracts,
TC just got a whole lot more interesting imo.
The Oilers have traded Cody Ceci to San Jose for RD Ty Emberson and a 2025 4th round pick.
https://x.com/edmontonoilers/status/1825367131547996240?s=61
Emberson is 6’2” 195 with a cap hit of $950K.
30 NHL GP.
— That’s a heck of result for SJ: a waiver wire pick nets a bonafide D and magic bean.
They held all the cards.
Puck Pedia says it’s a third round pick.
We should all remember the very spirited and engaged fight that Lavoie and Podkolzin had in the AHL….
Oh? Who won?
https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n268804
Thanks. Not a bad tilt from either guy.
I would say Lavoie:
https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n268804
Podkolzin is a surpringly strong dude.
Why isn’t Leon signed yet? I guessed July 2nd that Kane would go under the knife Aug 19th any rumours on what’s up with him?
I can’t remember where I read it (it may have been Friedman’s 32 thoughts) but the issue with Kane is they had to
-locate a doctor that could perform the surgery
-locate a doctor who was available ie:summer vacation
Apparently surgery has been scheduled and we wait
It would be very convenient if they were unable to perform the surgery until, say, mid December with a recovery date right around when the playoffs are about to begin. 😎
You mentioned this yesterday and received a response on the up to date intel all of which is that this will get done and there are no issues and none anticipated – from the most reputable insiders.
It could be another month – there is nothing to fret about.
I guess that’s our Holloway replacement.
My guess is that both Holloway and Broberg will be playing in St. Louis next year.
Judging by the comment boards, Canucks fans are very unhappy with this trade. So that’s a good sign.
A 4th-rounder is not much to pay. Podkolzin seems to have some flaws, but it also seems possible that he will score more for us than Holloway would have in the same role.
Would I take Podkolzin at $1.0M over Holloway at $1.2M? No.
Would I take Podkolzin at $1.0M over Holloway at $2.3M? Probably.
Smart GMs (or their assistants) identify good players who just aren’t fitting in with their current coach/team.
It’s a small up arrow for Bowman (or Larsson). God knows he needed one.
The book on Podkholzin is he has all the tools..size, speed and shot but can’t get out of his own head and be consistent.
Perhaps a second opinion will help.
If it does, Holloway will be quickly forgotten.
He has a good shot could he find a home on Leon’s line. What do you think does this comrade have it in to pop?
All the tools and not afraid to hit,
At 23 he still might have the runway to grab a top 6 role.
How do you figure he’s going to supplant the likes of Nuge, Hyman, Skinner and Arvidsson for top 6 winger minutes? He was a marginal player in the AHL last season.
Lavoie had as many goals as Podkolzin had points (28) albeit in 20 more games but Lavoie >>>> Podkolzin last season.
I agree., Haven’t watched a lot of Podkolzin, but at 1 million cap saving as for each of the next two years, there’s every chance we end up with the better player, while upgrading the fourth round draft pick to a third.
finally objective.
wonder why
George Mumford to the rescue
Sail on offer-sheet Holloway you’ll be on Calgary’s roster in 2 years.
Now if only there were a right shot Broberg replacement available for a second round pick and under a $2.3m cap hit.
“And Iain MacIntyre of Sportsnet Vancouver: “After signing four wingers in free agency, not surprising Canucks take EDM 4th-rounder for Vasily Podkolzin now rather than wait until he fails to make team in fall. Still, sorry to see Vasily go. Good kid, honest, has talent. Needs to rebuild confidence and find opportunity.”
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-acquire-vasily-podkolzin-from-canucks/
I would not have traded for podkolzin. Hope he shows up.
The absence of alternatives clears the mind.
Compared to his draft cohort he’s produced relatively well.
Who would you have suggested as an alternative?
You must have a higher opinion of 4th rounders than I do. To me it is a no risk move .
If reports that teams are asking for sweeteners to take Kulak or Ceci are true, I do not think the Oilers can match either offer sheet.
Ceci and Kulak both have positive value. Cannot bleed assets for the right to sign bloated contracts. St.Loo/Holland’s cap management really screwed the Oil.
Where are the reports?
Every time I’ve suggested that either contract would need a sweetener to trade, JP questions me.
Here:
https://oilersnation.com/news/report-teams-asking-for-high-picks-to-take-on-ceci-or-kulak-with-offer-sheet-decisions-looming
Garrioch gossip.
Thanks.
Saw one earlier today that the Ducks might have an interest in Ceci but only with a sweetener.
Yesterday a report in the Vancouver Sun that the Canucks would consider acquiring Kulak in exchange for Tucker Poolman’s $2.5 million LTIR.
All speculation I think.
There was only one such report that I know about, from the Garrioch who covers the Sens.
Both Friedman and Seravelli have advised that there is a market for Ceci if the Oilers wanted to trade him.
That fair. That is why the first word of my post was a qualifier.
LT – I’m not sure what your station’s policy is on getting Sportsnet guys as guests, but Thomas Drance is excellent and could break down the trade better than anyone.
Yep.
One of the best.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Drance is a fancy stats, math heavy analyst. He’s exactly the kind of guy that was respected by this blog.
(I’ve obviously not been posting here much in the last few years. This is still a place where people value numbers outside of boxcars, yeah?)
People down vote all DSF posts regardless of content. It’s a time honoured tradition.
a well deserved tradition.
Drance is all that and a bit more
He’s a former staff member of the Florida Panthers and knows his stuff.
The key for this team is to spend as close to 40 mil on long term deals for Mcdavid Drai Bouch and Skinner. Plus we have that Nurse boat anchor. We just don’t have 7 mil for Broberg Holloway
Not sure Skinner warrants a long term deal.
Podkolzin was unremarkable in the playoffs, I wonder if he can overcome whatever is holding him back from his potential.
Not an inspiring move, but a very good use of assets, IMO. Can he beat out his training camp competition, possibly, but his draft position will give him some rope.
Podkolzin did well under Boudreau but not under Tocchet. Maybe Knoblauch is what the doctor ordered for this player.
He didn’t have to play on both ends under Boudreau. No one did.
Under Green and Tocchet he has struggled because they both value the same kind of commitment to team D.
Maybe Knoblauch can unlock him through a different approach than fire and brimstone.
Someone came up with matching Broberg and making a deal with Mike Grier in SJ to waive him. Maybe Kostin and a 2nd to waive Broberg? Can they? That would get them something and screw StL. Two birds… one transaction.
Can Kostin play defense?
The Oilers aren’t planning on playing Defence this season!
So get a defenseman. Is it legal?
im guessing they are letting both go!
They need to get out of LTIR now
Ha!! Podkolzin for a 4th!!
Wheres HH?
This was supposed to be a star
Podkolzin isn’t as good as Steve’s nephew, but does this mean HH is finally going to unleash his inner-Oiler fanaticism?
I believe there are posters here who can answer that.
Great!
One decidedly skeptical fun-loving gangsta rapping about his love for the hometown team of his youth. I look forward to that day!
It’s always interesting how life so often comes full-circle, eh?
There was a slim chance Podkolzin made the Canucks roster, going into year 3 he’s now no longer waiver exempt. Could of been had for free, probably would of been claimed by a team before Edmonton’s waiver placement.
Odd move regardless.
feels like a Kalle Larsson request
The Oilers probably could have picked up Podkolzin on waivers in early October for free.
Wasting a draft pick for PR. Way to start Stanley.
How long does a waiver pick-up have to stay on the N.H.L roster?
1 day but they would need to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.
If the player was a target of Kalle Larsson, given the Oilers position in the waiver wire order, and the inability for him to be demoted without clearing, then a 4th is a reasonable asset for a 10th overall pick project.
I doubt Larsson was scouting players in the AHL when he was managing a USHL junior team in Dubuque.
Brad Holland is the director of pro scouting.
Larsson is the director of players development.
My thought was that as a player development professional, you would likely have an awareness of a few players that have not developed and you think you could help rectify what is going wrong. That would be a pretty logical way to start your tenure with a new franchise imo.
Sure, fair, I guess but I think it would be the pro scouts that would identify the players and, once in the org, the development staff that would work with them.
Of course, there could/should be cross consultation.
With the signings of Jake Debrusk, Danton Heinan, Kiefer Sherwood and Daniel Sprong, Vancouver would have assuredly put Podkholzin on waivers and lost him for nothing.
Yes, the Oilers would have picked him up on waivers, after 22 teams passed on him….
lol
I tend to agree with a lot of what you post, but there was no guarantee that when it came time for the Oilers to select from the waiver wire that he would be there.
Also, it’s possible that this could be part of another transaction, a better sweetner to enable them to move a player and keep Broberg.
We’ll know soon ernough.
I think most will assume/presume that this is connected to the offer sheet and the Oilers are letting Holloway go.
That very well could be true but it very well could be completely unconnected.
I think there is a chance this was simply an opportunity to get an asset with potential for pennies on the dollar.
Podkolzin is NOT Holloway’s replacement, he’s not even at Lavoie’s level at this point in time. At the same time, he was a high draft pick and has pedigree and potential and may be able to develop in a new environment and the Oilers napped him for a 4th round pick.
I would suggest that each of Lavoie, Jarventie and Savoie are all closer to the NHL that Podkolzin right now.
It’s plausible he IS Holloway’s replacement.
The Oilers would risk losing Podkholzin if they put him on waivers so effectively would be burning a 4th round pick for nothing
I would say the exact opposite. Podkolzin has experience already and has shown that he can score. I think he’s a better bet than Lavoie and Jarventie for sure.
I think this is strictly competition for Savoie for an NHL spot.
He scored in his rookie season and then regressed year over year in the AHL.
Lavoie was better in the AHL last season.
Oilers got the 4th used in the Bourgault trade, so:
Bourgault and Chiasson for Jarventie and Podkolzin…. I’ll take that trade.
Perhaps Podkolzin in Lavoie’s replacement in the AHL.
As I mentioned yesterday, for me, if Holloway is gone, Lavoie is the natural 3LW replacement to play with Henrique (or at least get the opportunity to do so).
Lavoie is clearly inferior to Holloway as an overall player at this point (less impactful – better shot) and I don’t think Podkolzin is any better than Lavoie, probably not even at Lavoie’s level.
He scored 14 goals as a rookie in 21-22 and has better boots. I’d absolutely have have him ahead of Lavoie at the moment, at least until Raph gets a chance to show what he can do, if that ever comes.
He had a very fine rookie season and then regressed season over season and was not impactful in the AHL – Lavoie was a more impactful AHL player
The guy who doesn’t think he should be in the AHL performed worse than the guy who should definitely be in the AHL? Weird. That’s never happened before.
I don’t actually think Podkolzin is much of a player tbh. But he’s shown some finish and has some skating ability for his size. That said, I think Lavoie is in tough to definitively beat him out for an NHL roster spot.
If he is waived, he will be claimed.
I guess the trade seals the fate of Holloway
I hope not, but I fear you’re right. As a deal in isolation I do like the bet though.
Just another farm hand with the potential to call up to the NHL. This guy doesn’t replace Holloway.
Oilers acquire Podkolzin for a 4th in 2025.
Can mean many things, maybe a good bet on youth signed for cheap and focusing on retaining Bro now instead of Holloway? Or unconnected and just good AHL youth. Weird value for the Nucks tho, unsure what they’re thinking.
Peculiar timing.
Holloway replacement?
I think he is likely best on the RW, I am pretty sure there is a spot available on the 4th line.
I live in the Lower Mainland and listen to sports radio here. Podkolzin is a pick from the Benning era, he’s not one of Allvin/Rutherford’s guys.
The player has had opportunities to establish himself in the NHL, but hasn’t been able to take advantage of them. He has an NHL skill set but simply hasn’t found consistency.
There were rumours that he wasn’t happy in the AHL and that his agent had asked for a move to be made prior to his last contract.
Ultimately, he’s not a player that Rick Tocchet is comfortable with. As much as the POHO and GM are responsible for the roster, the coach has an outsized influence on roster construction.
Listened to a bit of Stauffer’s last drop. The Lawton one and Hart from Puckpedia
Bob mentioned the Oilers being risk averse with young players. The thing that gets me is vet players make mistakes as well. Kulak blew the play on the cup winning goal
I like Kulak’s play it’s not about that one. But when a player is ready for call up, if they are better players you use them, because they are better hockey players. The mistake thing is a red herring. You take that cap gift and don’t look it in the mouth
Oil seriously need to learn to take their lumps with the youngsters. Make it a priority and this team stays evergreen for so long as the Glimmers gleam.
Yes, all day long.
It’s more about the difference in the ceiling, when the floor is about equal.
Personally, I think they should match both. Even if that means trading however many of Arvidsson 4.0, Ceci 3.25, Skinner 3.0, Henrique 3.0, Kulak 2.75, Janmark 1.45, or Perry 1.15 it takes. And they should be able to fetch something decent for their newly acquired forwards. I think the value of Broberg and Holloway moving forward and possibly even this year will be greater than the players they give up.
Skinner and Henri got trade clauses
Just double checked. According to Puckpedia, Skinner has a full no move. Henrique doesn’t have any clauses. Janmark has a 10 team no trade list.
Correct
Still a ludicrous strategy. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water…. not only do you have to replace the lower priced men on that list with other players who cost only slightly less (which doesn’t move the needle much at all) you gut the remaining roster horrendously for two promising but still unproven players – one of which doesn’t want to be here and would have us over a very high priced barrel in two years at a very opporune time. Broberg is gone, get used to it. Holloway we will see in a couple of days…
ops i mean an inopportune time. bad typing, new glasses
Fans become attached too prospects Holloway is 23 when the season starts he has 9 career goals in which he plays a style that injuries are in his history. Broberg is a unknown and personally it wouldn’t surprise me if he can’t keep up to the rigors of a top 4 D-man. He allows himself too often to be put in a vulnerable position to get pasted. I believe St.Louis will regret raising eyebrows and pissing of Edmonton. Up front comparing McLeod-Foegele-Holloway to Henrique-Skinner-Arvidsson is beyond laughable. This forwatd group is the best we’ve seen since the mid Eighties. The Oilers group is going to have fun and score 45-50 more Goals this coming season. Booook it…..
Bro may not progress, but they also have to plan for the future and there is no one else
They might sign a UFA in two years, but would they be young. No. They need young
Holloway is replaceable. I like the player and is the one I feel sorry for because he reportedly didn’t want to sign. Whomever convinced him he should move on from
I disagree.
Who is your Holloway replacement?
I guess we know now, lol.
Holloway might of cooked his own goose. He was playing with the best up and down the line-up Zero pressure this all changes now that he’s put a target on his back for relatively very little money in the big picture.
There’s stop gaps available that might stick.
It wasn’t long ago that he was “a hound-dog” and would have been the difference in a playoff series the Oilers lost.
Holloway is dead to me.
The increasingly famous, or infamous, 2 Mutts now tweeting about Ceci and Leon being best friends and Leon was adamant he was not traded at last year’s deadline – he’s a bit leader apparently and a great community guy.
I can post the tweet but its not short and I’m not sure if I’m supposed to, or no supposed to, in this case.
It’s unfortunate but you can’t make key decisions based on those things in any business if you want the best outcomes. They may not trade Ceci but that shouldn’t be why. Another reason to get unfinished business done, if they want to and don’t trade Ceci because Leon hasn’t signed, woof. Get ‘er done
A tight team is a winning formula or would you like to go back to the rat fink Andrew Ference days.
The best team is the one with the most best players that play as a team
Is Kulak BFF’s with McDavid or Nuge? No? Okay then let’s trade him and open up a spot on the left side.
I was surprised they let Gazdic go, he was pretty tight with Nuge
Well, the leadership group cost the Oilers a cup.
That was my take as well. Players can’t make those decisions because they are too close to their fellow troops
Link to long tweet.
https://x.com/2muttshockeypod/status/1825231812714475809?s=61
This abuse of Ceci who makes 3.25 is over the top and unfair. Everyone loves a whipping boy Ceci isn’t the greatest but he has does his job in Pittsburgh and Edmonton per contract in my opinion. Rarely Ceci huge goal in game 7 against the Canucks is brought up or the pass of the playoffs to Janmark. If Nurse thinks he’s heard the abuse this is nothing compared to what he’s going to receive once Ceci is gone
Every player good enough for the NHL makes a good play or scores a big goal once in a while, or once It’s the body of work and Ceci was last in TOI in the finals, for a reason
As for the Janmark pass, that was all on Jan getting that open, and if an NHL player can’t hit a wide open player with a pass…
It still was a thing of Beauty I hit my head on the ceiling when Janmark scored. Best Oiler Goal for me since Pisani scored in OT.