The Pracey Dance

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Ryan

Is this what smart management looks like?

The Oilers are now in position in which they could qualify both, but no longer need to qualify either?

Scungilli Slushy

It seems if the LTIR Kane and send Pod or Brown down they’re good

Scungilli Slushy

Until he comes back, then what?

rich tm

You have time to see who’s meeting expectations and who isn’t and address it ahead of or at the deadline. Nothing wrong with that. Just might have to do it sooner depending on how Kane’s rehab goes.

Scungilli Slushy

To think, if they just would have done this (everything pointing to it, cap, stats, eyeballs) when JJ was active then no offer sheets and players at half their new price

No more dithering

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

That is a decent sized crater on RHD for a Cup Contender.

Lots of tweeners, Stecher with the biggest sample but only one season of a full slate of games in the last five years.

Interesting times.

smellyglove

So with the surprise Ceci trade last night, combined with the Pod trade from Vancoucer: walk Holloway, match Broberg?

Todd Macallan

Match both. Pod can be competition for Perry.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Wow. I go to bed and Stan the man makes a couple of tidy trades.

Lewis Grant

I like the Ceci-Emberson trade. Only gave up a 3rd, and got back a player who is more than just a bag of pucks. Sharks fans aren’t thrilled.

IMO, it’s a second up arrow for Bowman today.

My only concern (as it would have been all along) is that we don’t know that Broberg is truly ready for second-pairing minutes. If not, then we’re counting on one of Stecher, Emberson, or Brown. (Well, I’m also a little concerned about a potentially disgruntled Broberg, although $4.7M + second-pairing minutes might assuage him until his next contract negotiation.)

And if we’re paying $4.7M instead of $1.8M, then we don’t have room to trade for a 2RD at the deadline if Broberg falters. (And we can’t trade Broberg for that 2RD. Or our 2025 first-round pick.)

Gerta Rauss

Sharks fans aren’t thrilled.

No backsies!

Ryan

Sid
@NHL_Sid
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2h

I think Ty Emberson has potential. Not a huge sample, but he produced strong defensive results (84th percentile xGA) on an awful team, and his zone exit / retrieval numbers were solid. He’s also younger than Bouchard, and has history with Knoblauch.

Really like this addition.

Ryan

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Sid
@NHL_Sid
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2h

FWIW, I initially planned to release an article about cheap, under-the-radar RD targets in July; never finished it, but Emberson was on the list.

This is a very solid bet. Can’t guarantee how good he’ll be, but I strongly believe he’s more useful to this team than Ceci is

Lewis Grant

Yeah, if Emberson is on the way up and Ceci on the way down, this trade could look good. Agree that it’s a very solid bet.

2RD remains a bit of a question. It is good that we have several campaigners for it.

Gerta Rauss

Your concerns are valid- our right side is Bouchard and then the Tumbling Dice of Broberg, Stecher, Brown, Emberson, and then the AHL crew

The right side could be an adventure

Diablo

I’m wondering if there is another move yet … Broberg would be better off playing 3LD. Stecher, Emberson and Brown are pretty good depth. Stecher is an experienced vet with good wheels who can be a stopgap at 2RD. Emberson is a KK guy … I think there is a strong chance he plays more than 50 games, as long as he has better luck with injuries this season. He’s this year’s Vinny at 3RD.

If both Broberg and Holloway are retained, then we will still need to shed cap space when Kane gets back.

Trading Ceci gets us about 2.25 million. Trading Kulak gets 2.75 million. Broberg is going to get 4.7 million. We were just over 300K above the cap before St. Louis did us dirty.

I’m thinking Holloway is not going to be retained, as well. They just brought in his replacement in Podkolzin for 4th and will get back a 3rd for letting Holloway walk. Both are 23 year former first round picks that have not met expectations in the NHL.

Last edited 4 months ago by Diablo
Mayan Oil

If Holloway is gone, there could be some interesting competition at F between Pederson, Philp, Podkolzin, Lavoie, Jarventie, Hamblin and Savoie. Will be fun to watch!

Mayan Oil

Not to mention some spirited competition for 3RD and 7D. More interesting when there are actual spots up for grabs, rather than the roster being pretty much set before camp even starts….

Also will be Knobby’s first camp as Oilers coach.

Bring – It – On.

Last edited 4 months ago by Mayan Oil
BornInAGretzkyJersey

Are you talking the entire season? Or training camp?

Jarventie, Hamblin, Savoie and probably Pederson are distant bells, at best. I suppose Pederson’s skill and utility (and experience) could be a wild card. But the first three have almost zero chance to make the team out of camp (aside from the likelihood of Savoie being on the roster day one as a paper transaction).

Lavoie’s time is now. Podkolzin will come in with a chip on his shoulder.

defmn

The dance card is filling up, eh?

Mayan Oil

We live in Interesting Times. I can’t wait for the next few days, between the offer sheet scenario and Drai possibly signing soon, it will be nice to have clarity on the roster.

OriginalPouzar

Per 2 Mutts (who did have the Ceci trade 1st):

t’s still uncertain whether the @EdmontonOilers will match on Holloway & Broberg as a lot of factors are still at play. One source says yes they will match on both but we shall see. 
Paul Coffey is very high on Broberg from what we are hearing he’s been involved in this process.

As for Leon Draisaitl he plans on getting to Edmonton very soon here, some talk about him being in the city over the next 7-10 days which is very normal for Leon to be here this early ahead of the Captain Skates in early September.

This could help the contract extension process as well as next week will be a very busy week for Stan Bowman, Jeff Jackson & company. The plan is to have Leon signed before those skates start

daniel

Holloway-Savoie-Podkolzin could be very interesting

Reja

I can’t believe how fast Jackson filled the empty prospect forward cupboard.

Last edited 4 months ago by Reja
defmn

Not a mention of Bowman having anything to do with any of these moves tonight.

Is that how it is going to be around here? The invisible GM?

Reja

Anything good that happens it’s because of Action Jackson anything on the other side of the scale it’s that guy from Chicago’s vault.

defmn

That’s how it looks for many here.

Last edited 4 months ago by defmn
OriginalPouzar

Per Bruce Curlock:

Gonna repeat myself here. I saw Ty Emberson play 50 times between Wisconsin and Tuscon in the AHL. His skills match the Oil.

His 5v5 pts/60 would have placed him 3rd on Oilers D behind 2/14. He also averaged 3.7 shots/g. 2,14 and 25 were over 6 shots/g. 

Analytical trade IMO

Last edited 4 months ago by Ryan
The Great One

This may lead to a Kulak trade so Broberg can play LD.

Vancouver is interested.

defmn

Not to mention Knoblauch had him in Hartford for a season. That had to play a part.

daniel

Is Curlock is saying he’s a match for 3RD? Or 2RD? He was playing 18:33 Min/GP with SJS. That’s threshold for second pairing. Only 30 GP apparently due to injury. The experience with Knoblauch makes it feel like this guy has a chance at 2RD, and his skillset seems to match with Broberg. I know, sounds crazy

Last edited 4 months ago by daniel
€√¥£€^$

That’s what I was thinking.

I watched all of Holloway’s games in WI and they had a very vanilla DCorps, no dynamic dman on the roster, but Emberson always stood out with his skating, poise with puck in his own end and solid positioning. I think he fits nicely on the 3rd pair, with Stecher os 2RD.

So who can be acquired for Kulak?

Mayan Oil

Hmmm…. according to Oilersnation, the Russian struggled with offence but is above league average defensively in his time with the Nucks.

Also according to them, the new D we got is a big, strong shut down D, who has performed good on PK and has been very strong in his 30 games with SJ this last year. If he gets less than 50 games with us this year, he becomes a ‘Group VI FA at teh end of the year, otherwise he is still RFA.

This could be a very strong piece of work today overall. Now, if the tea leaves are right, we are walking from Holloway and keeping Broberg. We need Broberg to pop this year in a big way.

Funny, I thought they would keep Holloway and walk Broberg at those Cap hits. I guess my ex was right…. I am not the smartest man ibn the room, even when alone… har de har.

I guess it is a good day when life can still surprise me😁

dulock

It’s interesting because it could still go in any direction. They need to lose 800k now to be cap compliant while Kane is on LTIR. There is a way to argue matching both, matching either one or not matching both even after these moves so we’ll see what tomorrow brings.

defmn

They can have a 22 man roster without another move other than Kane on LTIR.

€√¥£€^$

I think they match, with VP pencilled in as 4 RW.

Last edited 4 months ago by €√¥£€^$
defmn

I think so as well. No need to rush on anything now. Time to let things play out and see how it goes.

Ranford.85

Quick glance at Canucks Nation shows some confused and disappointed fans.

Always a plus but it sounds like they were clinging to the idea Podz may be a late bloomer.

Gerta Rauss

No backsies!!

daniel

“Quick glance at Canucks Nation shows some confused and disappointed fans”

Sounds like a normal day in Gastown.

Last edited 4 months ago by daniel
dulock

It does seem to be a surprising trade unless Podz asked to be traded and the Canucks obliged him.

Gerta Rauss

The kid has been around since being drafted

-drafted in the 3rd round 2018 by Arizona 71OV
-traded to NYR in July of 22 to the Rangers in the Patrick Nemeth deal (largely a cap dump)
-Rangers lost him on waivers Sept 2023 to the San Jose Sharks
-Sharks traded him to the Oilers tonight

DexandRuby

The soft parade is leaving town one by one. Mcflyby , Foeggy, now Ceci. It’s like the TV is listening to me.

Scungilli Slushy

Every trade scenario I did was with SJ, hilarious

They were in a big need for a RD so we now know Bowman is as good at deals as Holland. Depressing

dulock

I think you might be undervaluing Emberson in this. He looks to be an actual NHL player on the cheap that played 18 mins a night with a 60% D zone start, played the PK and has decent offense. That has value.

defmn

And Knoblauch has to have had a say as well having had him play for him for a season in 22-23. This wasn’t just a cap dump.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Please show your work.

MushedPeas

Everyone and their dog knew this was about moving cap. Nice not to pay too much of a premium, nice to get more back than a bag of pucks.

godot10

Oh happy day (oh happy day)
Oh happy day (oh happy day)
When Bowman traded (when Bowman traded)
When Bowman traded (when Bowman traded)
Cody Ceci away.

daniel

Hugo’s going to bite you for that in the chase godot10 re-re-re-rela-relay.

Last edited 4 months ago by daniel
godot10

I may not be a nice person, but the facts are the facts. Foegele is gone, and Ceci is gone. I was NOT wrong.

Scungilli Slushy

Des is gone

McLeod is gone

godot10

McLeod went for Savoie. It was a hockey trade. Nothing wrong with Ryan McLeod.

It was poor asset management to lose Desharnais. They could have traded Ceci earlier, offered fair deals to Broberg and Holloway, and there would have been enough money to sign Desharnais. Desharnais would have been a nice stopgap to Wanner, and the loss of his physicality will hurt. But he had topped out as a 3rd pairing D and PKer. So trying somebody else is not fatal. He was a good player for his role but was a cap casualty. That happens.

Scungilli Slushy

Nothing wrong with Highlander other than playoff GF% and saying perimeter was ok

Reja

Barbara Ann Scott will have a 15 year career without ever scoring 20. Speed keeps you in the league. Meanwhile Savoie will be lighting the lamp for 10 years.

€√¥£€^$

Emberson is more physical, a much better skater & better with the puck than Vinny. This is a cunning move.

godot10

Sid
@NHL_Sid
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1h

We have officially watched the final game of Nurse – Ceci as an Oilers defensive pair. You have no idea how happy I am.

https://x.com/NHL_Sid/status/1825372866159767691

Ryan

Nurse – Ceci just had to end.

Game 1 of the SCF against Florida, man that pairing had a tough night.

John Chambers

San José has no retention spots left, so when they trade Ceci in February his full salary will limit his return for the Sharks.

The Great One

They have no pressing need to trade him.

And his pro-rated contract at that time will be peanuts.

Last edited 4 months ago by The Great One
daniel

That’s ok, EDM will have accrued enough cap by then.

Diablo

Sail on Ceci … 15th overall pick who has played almost 800 games. Maligned as an Oiler but a solid pro … we could have done much worse than Ceci, after Larsson left the Oilers unexpectedly.

Sierra

Yup, well said.

Oilers fell one goal short of lifting Stanley with Ceci playing a big part on the team.

godot10

Ceci cost the Oilers two Cups. I don’t blame him for the first.

Last edited 4 months ago by godot10
OriginalPouzar

Childish behavior.

Scungilli Slushy

Many agree with that

I wouldn’t put all blame though

dunterpunter

Incorrect. Turris lost it all. Perhaps Rattie, most definitely Eberle.

dunterpunter

🤡

Sierra

Pathetic post by you.

You have absolutely zero evidence that he cost the Oilers anything.

OriginalPouzar

As per Puckpedia, the Oilers can match both offer sheets and be cap compliant by putting Kane on LTIR and sending down one player with a cap hit of $801K of more.

Scungilli Slushy

Please explain how they get cap compliant to LTIR Kane

With Pod the are still ~5 over with 23

Gerta Rauss

He’ll be along shortly but the Oilers will be using ‘off season” LTIR

Scungilli Slushy

That exists?

Gerta Rauss

Yes – we’ve discussed this previously and I’m not going to get into it tonight

OriginalPouzar

They send one player (Josh Brown) down and then place Kane on LTIR.

They do not have to be compliant prior to putting Kane on LTIR.

defmn

They can have a 22 man roster without sending anybody down as long as Kane is on LTIR.

AsiaOil

Sail on Dylan Holloway. Would have a nice piece on the 3rd line but the Russian was a higher pick one year earlier.

So at present if we match Broberg, walk from Holloway, Kane goes LTIR – we would be compliant by waiving Ryan or Perry at the end of camp. Easy peasy and you keep making deals until the roster is set to get the roster sorted. The blackmail card is gone as we don’t have a cap gun at our heads anymore.

I like Kulak but he is a $2.75 million luxury on the 3rd pair that we can’t afford. Deal him for a nice piece now that the hostage situation is over.

OriginalPouzar

Problem is the Russian hasn’t been an NHL player since his rookie season and wasn’t even impactful in the AHL last season.

Maybe the plan is for his to play 3LW but based on the AHL last season, Lavoie is the current better player.

Pretendergast

Change of scenery. Bet on the Nichushkin model without all the….outside noise…

OriginalPouzar

I feel bad for Cody Ceci – he was a well liked guy who had some good stretches as an Oilers (he was very solid in his 1st year of the contract).

The Oilers didn’t want to trade him from all accounts – per Servavelli and Friedman they had a market for him all summer – but its business.

Ceci to Emberson is a downgrade – end stop, but it saves well over $2MM on the cap.

Broberg will have pressure at the 2RD spot with Emberson at 3RD, I suppose.

I hope they go

Nurse/Bouchard
Ekholm/Broberg
Kulak/Embersom

Emberson needs to play 50 NHL games or he becomes a Group VI UFA.

John Chambers

Emberson is organizational depth on the right side. It’ll be a competition at camp, but I see Stecher and Brown in the major league with Kemp and Ember as top recall options.

Mayan Oil

Small sample size, but in his only NHL time (30 games with SJ last season his defense was well above league average). It is his offence that was almost non existent. According to ON anyway… if true, he will have something to say about that 3 RD spot methinks.

Professor Q

Potential Post-Trades Actions:

Match Broberg
Waive Holloway
Sharks claim Holloway

Last edited 4 months ago by Professor Q
dulock

They would not match and then waive Holloway. They would just take the 3rd Rounder.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Methinks you missed the last couple days’ worth of discussion surrounding the CBA.

Darryl8843

Trading Ceci absolutely without question the Oilers are matching Broberg. Which I 100% endorse. I mentioned yesterday it seemed to simple to trade Ceci and
match Broberg.

Diablo

Is Ty Emberson any good?

Gerta Rauss
Todd Macallan

Played for Knob in the AHL and reportedly was voted best defensive dman in the east, so that’s something.

Gerta Rauss

OK, so the Koach is familiar with him – that is something

Diablo

Good catch – K2 being familiar with him means he’s got a chance similar to how Vinny established himself under Woody.

Fear the Fin has an article detailing that he was playing well relative to their terrible team but had a run of unfortunate injuries which derailed his season.

Ryan

My first thought was that he was just window dressing to hide the fact that he had to pay a pick to move Ceci, but perhaps there’s more.

He did play 16:37 last season at 5v5 on the Sharks. He did kill penalties.

He does not appear to have wheels.

Hard to say, but my initial impression was just another player going the other way to improve the optics of a trade.

But on the other hand, he is a defenseman and he is right-handed.

Gerta Rauss

From his 2018 draft year

https://madison.com/10-ty-emberson/article_1bcfb40f-8a47-5f61-ae7c-bfe6a00cc6a9.html

 Emberson has been described as miserable to compete against because he’s an elite defender who blocks shots and plays physically

Todd Macallan

Holloway would’ve played with him during his 2 seasons in Wisconsin too.

Gerta Rauss

A Coyotes development camp ranking from Sept 2021

https://gophnx.com/ranking-the-coyotes-top-15-prospects-as-development-camp-concludes/

Height/weight: 6-1, 195

Scouting report: Emberson is one of several right-handed prospects in the Coyotes’ pipeline. He’s not going to give you a lot of offense but he is mobile and he plays a smart, physical game that can help shut down cycles in the defensive zone.  

Todd Macallan

10 pts in 30 games on a bad team isn’t nothing either. Certainly appearing to be more than just a throw in.

Gerta Rauss

My initial impression may be pie in the sky but I think he’s from the Adam Larsson tree (best case scenario)

Last edited 4 months ago by Gerta Rauss
Gerta Rauss

Last Word on Sports scouting report

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2018/06/10/ty-emberson-scouting-report-2018-nhl-draft/

While he is not a blazing skater, Emberson has good speed in both directions. His acceleration is particularly good. Emberson has strong lateral movement, allowing him to keep attackers in front of him off the rush. He has good edgework and pivots. Emberson transitions quickly from defence to offence and vice-versa. Emberson has a wide stride. He is well-balanced and tough to knock off the puck. This also helps him to battle along the boards and in front of the net.

Ryan

Yeah, he certainly could be capable of playing bottom pairing minutes. Creates some competition for Stetcher at least.

I’ve always said that I do like shopping for 24 y/o d who’ve played on bad teams.

Last edited 4 months ago by Ryan
BornInAGretzkyJersey

In absolute terms, Emberson is slightly above average in top speed.

In relative terms, playing about 1/3 of a season he managed to nearly equal league average speed bursts (25/30), while basically covering a 60th percentile pace of ice if he played a full season at a pro-rated level.

NHL Edge data is a work in progress that needs some baselines to effectively equivocate.

I agree with others here, there’s some smart maths folks at work with picking this player. EDM may have actually acquired a rough gem.

Darryl8843

Bowman burning the midnight oil. We will love him or hate him tomorrow. Going to be a interesting day.

DevilsLettuce

Broberg is going to need a 90pt season to meet expectations lol

I’m in my shop sharpening old Franky pitch fork with a crooked smile.

Sierra

Folks better temper their expectations.

I think the true judgement should be season 2 of the contract.

Pretendergast

Bowman working late at night. Without looking at the cap picture and Kane’s LTIR. Both might be kept. The fact they got a player back is shocking.

Face value it looks like Pod in, Bro stays, Kane LTIR, holloway out.

i have no idea.

dulock

It’s wild that they’ve moved out Ceci now and could keep both Holloway and Broberg, Match one, or match neither and suddenly be cap-compliant with Kane’s LTIR money to play with.

Darryl8843

I agree. I have no idea either

kinger_OIL

— Doesn’t it seem almost a lock they are keeping Brah and Pod replaced Halloway: numbers basically match up.

— I guess they could trade for another D if both Ceci and Brah gone. Seems unlikely

GB&Q
Todd Macallan

I believe with Ceci gone there is now room for both Bro and Holloway under the cap with Kane on ltir.

Maybe Podkolzin was the Perry replacement? One can hope at least.

dulock

I think they might still let Holloway go. They aren’t quite compliant by matching both with Kane on LTIR (they still need $800,541 in space) so one player has to go (anybody but Stecher would make this work though)

Todd Macallan

Josh Brown at 1M to Bako. Done.

dulock

Josh Brown and Derek Ryan seem to be obvious choices for demotion but I would think the Oilers are unlikely to go that route.

defmn

PuckPedia’s calculation doesn’t have Savoie on the team which they probably want to avoid his bonus if they want to bring him up later in the season with Kane going on LTIR.

It includes Holloway, Broberg, Podkolzin, Emberson and the rest of those with one way contracts,

TC just got a whole lot more interesting imo.

Last edited 4 months ago by defmn
The Great One

The Oilers have traded Cody Ceci to San Jose for RD Ty Emberson and a 2025 4th round pick.

https://x.com/edmontonoilers/status/1825367131547996240?s=61

The Great One

Emberson is 6’2” 195 with a cap hit of $950K.

30 NHL GP.

kinger_OIL

— That’s a heck of result for SJ: a waiver wire pick nets a bonafide D and magic bean.

The Great One

They held all the cards.

The Great One

Puck Pedia says it’s a third round pick.

OriginalPouzar

We should all remember the very spirited and engaged fight that Lavoie and Podkolzin had in the AHL….

defmn

Oh? Who won?

daniel
defmn

Thanks. Not a bad tilt from either guy.

OriginalPouzar
€√¥£€^$

Podkolzin is a surpringly strong dude.

Reja

Why isn’t Leon signed yet? I guessed July 2nd that Kane would go under the knife Aug 19th any rumours on what’s up with him?

Gerta Rauss

I can’t remember where I read it (it may have been Friedman’s 32 thoughts) but the issue with Kane is they had to
-locate a doctor that could perform the surgery
-locate a doctor who was available ie:summer vacation

Apparently surgery has been scheduled and we wait

defmn

It would be very convenient if they were unable to perform the surgery until, say, mid December with a recovery date right around when the playoffs are about to begin. 😎

OriginalPouzar

You mentioned this yesterday and received a response on the up to date intel all of which is that this will get done and there are no issues and none anticipated – from the most reputable insiders.

It could be another month – there is nothing to fret about.

Lewis Grant

I guess that’s our Holloway replacement.

My guess is that both Holloway and Broberg will be playing in St. Louis next year.

Lewis Grant

Judging by the comment boards, Canucks fans are very unhappy with this trade. So that’s a good sign.

A 4th-rounder is not much to pay. Podkolzin seems to have some flaws, but it also seems possible that he will score more for us than Holloway would have in the same role.

Would I take Podkolzin at $1.0M over Holloway at $1.2M? No.
Would I take Podkolzin at $1.0M over Holloway at $2.3M? Probably.

Lewis Grant

Smart GMs (or their assistants) identify good players who just aren’t fitting in with their current coach/team.

It’s a small up arrow for Bowman (or Larsson). God knows he needed one.

The Great One

The book on Podkholzin is he has all the tools..size, speed and shot but can’t get out of his own head and be consistent.

Perhaps a second opinion will help.

If it does, Holloway will be quickly forgotten.

Reja

He has a good shot could he find a home on Leon’s line. What do you think does this comrade have it in to pop?

The Great One

All the tools and not afraid to hit,

At 23 he still might have the runway to grab a top 6 role.

OriginalPouzar

How do you figure he’s going to supplant the likes of Nuge, Hyman, Skinner and Arvidsson for top 6 winger minutes? He was a marginal player in the AHL last season.

Lavoie had as many goals as Podkolzin had points (28) albeit in 20 more games but Lavoie >>>> Podkolzin last season.

SVR

I agree., Haven’t watched a lot of Podkolzin, but at 1 million cap saving as for each of the next two years, there’s every chance we end up with the better player, while upgrading the fourth round draft pick to a third.

meanashell11

finally objective.

wonder why

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Moonlight

George Mumford to the rescue

Reja

Sail on offer-sheet Holloway you’ll be on Calgary’s roster in 2 years.

Ryan

I guess that’s our Holloway replacement.

Now if only there were a right shot Broberg replacement available for a second round pick and under a $2.3m cap hit.

The Great One

“And Iain MacIntyre of Sportsnet Vancouver: “After signing four wingers in free agency, not surprising Canucks take EDM 4th-rounder for Vasily Podkolzin now rather than wait until he fails to make team in fall. Still, sorry to see Vasily go. Good kid, honest, has talent. Needs to rebuild confidence and find opportunity.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-acquire-vasily-podkolzin-from-canucks/

leadfarmer

I would not have traded for podkolzin. Hope he shows up.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

The absence of alternatives clears the mind.

Compared to his draft cohort he’s produced relatively well.

Who would you have suggested as an alternative?

defmn

You must have a higher opinion of 4th rounders than I do. To me it is a no risk move .

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

If reports that teams are asking for sweeteners to take Kulak or Ceci are true, I do not think the Oilers can match either offer sheet.

Ceci and Kulak both have positive value. Cannot bleed assets for the right to sign bloated contracts. St.Loo/Holland’s cap management really screwed the Oil.

Ryan

If reports that teams are asking for sweeteners to take Kulak or Ceci are true, I do not think the Oilers can match either offer sheet.

Where are the reports?

Every time I’ve suggested that either contract would need a sweetener to trade, JP questions me.

defmn

Garrioch gossip.

Ryan

Thanks.

The Great One

Saw one earlier today that the Ducks might have an interest in Ceci but only with a sweetener.

Yesterday a report in the Vancouver Sun that the Canucks would consider acquiring Kulak in exchange for Tucker Poolman’s $2.5 million LTIR.

All speculation I think.

OriginalPouzar

There was only one such report that I know about, from the Garrioch who covers the Sens.

Both Friedman and Seravelli have advised that there is a market for Ceci if the Oilers wanted to trade him.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

That fair. That is why the first word of my post was a qualifier.

Lois Lowe

LT – I’m not sure what your station’s policy is on getting Sportsnet guys as guests, but Thomas Drance is excellent and could break down the trade better than anyone.

The Great One

Yep.

One of the best.

Lois Lowe

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Drance is a fancy stats, math heavy analyst. He’s exactly the kind of guy that was respected by this blog.

(I’ve obviously not been posting here much in the last few years. This is still a place where people value numbers outside of boxcars, yeah?)

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

People down vote all DSF posts regardless of content. It’s a time honoured tradition.

meanashell11

a well deserved tradition.

The Great One

Drance is all that and a bit more

He’s a former staff member of the Florida Panthers and knows his stuff.

leadfarmer

The key for this team is to spend as close to 40 mil on long term deals for Mcdavid Drai Bouch and Skinner. Plus we have that Nurse boat anchor. We just don’t have 7 mil for Broberg Holloway

Strapping Jocks

Not sure Skinner warrants a long term deal.

€√¥£€^$

Podkolzin was unremarkable in the playoffs, I wonder if he can overcome whatever is holding him back from his potential.

Not an inspiring move, but a very good use of assets, IMO. Can he beat out his training camp competition, possibly, but his draft position will give him some rope.

daniel

Podkolzin did well under Boudreau but not under Tocchet. Maybe Knoblauch is what the doctor ordered for this player.

Lois Lowe

He didn’t have to play on both ends under Boudreau. No one did.

Under Green and Tocchet he has struggled because they both value the same kind of commitment to team D.

Maybe Knoblauch can unlock him through a different approach than fire and brimstone.

bod

Someone came up with matching Broberg and making a deal with Mike Grier in SJ to waive him. Maybe Kostin and a 2nd to waive Broberg? Can they? That would get them something and screw StL. Two birds… one transaction.

rich tm

Can Kostin play defense?

Strapping Jocks

The Oilers aren’t planning on playing Defence this season!

bod

So get a defenseman. Is it legal?

leadfarmer

im guessing they are letting both go!
They need to get out of LTIR now

leadfarmer

Ha!! Podkolzin for a 4th!!
Wheres HH?
This was supposed to be a star

€√¥£€^$

Podkolzin isn’t as good as Steve’s nephew, but does this mean HH is finally going to unleash his inner-Oiler fanaticism?

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daniel

I believe there are posters here who can answer that.

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€√¥£€^$

Great!

One decidedly skeptical fun-loving gangsta rapping about his love for the hometown team of his youth. I look forward to that day!

It’s always interesting how life so often comes full-circle, eh?

DevilsLettuce

There was a slim chance Podkolzin made the Canucks roster, going into year 3 he’s now no longer waiver exempt. Could of been had for free, probably would of been claimed by a team before Edmonton’s waiver placement.

Odd move regardless.

danny

feels like a Kalle Larsson request

godot10

The Oilers probably could have picked up Podkolzin on waivers in early October for free.

Wasting a draft pick for PR. Way to start Stanley.

Reja

How long does a waiver pick-up have to stay on the N.H.L roster?

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OriginalPouzar

1 day but they would need to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.

danny

If the player was a target of Kalle Larsson, given the Oilers position in the waiver wire order, and the inability for him to be demoted without clearing, then a 4th is a reasonable asset for a 10th overall pick project.

godot10

I doubt Larsson was scouting players in the AHL when he was managing a USHL junior team in Dubuque.

OriginalPouzar

Brad Holland is the director of pro scouting.

Larsson is the director of players development.

danny

My thought was that as a player development professional, you would likely have an awareness of a few players that have not developed and you think you could help rectify what is going wrong. That would be a pretty logical way to start your tenure with a new franchise imo.

OriginalPouzar

Sure, fair, I guess but I think it would be the pro scouts that would identify the players and, once in the org, the development staff that would work with them.

Of course, there could/should be cross consultation.

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The Great One

With the signings of Jake Debrusk, Danton Heinan, Kiefer Sherwood and Daniel Sprong, Vancouver would have assuredly put Podkholzin on waivers and lost him for nothing.

OriginalPouzar

Yes, the Oilers would have picked him up on waivers, after 22 teams passed on him….

Reja

lol

rich tm

I tend to agree with a lot of what you post, but there was no guarantee that when it came time for the Oilers to select from the waiver wire that he would be there.

Also, it’s possible that this could be part of another transaction, a better sweetner to enable them to move a player and keep Broberg.

We’ll know soon ernough.

OriginalPouzar

I think most will assume/presume that this is connected to the offer sheet and the Oilers are letting Holloway go.

That very well could be true but it very well could be completely unconnected.

I think there is a chance this was simply an opportunity to get an asset with potential for pennies on the dollar.

Podkolzin is NOT Holloway’s replacement, he’s not even at Lavoie’s level at this point in time. At the same time, he was a high draft pick and has pedigree and potential and may be able to develop in a new environment and the Oilers napped him for a 4th round pick.

I would suggest that each of Lavoie, Jarventie and Savoie are all closer to the NHL that Podkolzin right now.

The Great One

It’s plausible he IS Holloway’s replacement.

The Oilers would risk losing Podkholzin if they put him on waivers so effectively would be burning a 4th round pick for nothing

Lois Lowe

I would say the exact opposite. Podkolzin has experience already and has shown that he can score. I think he’s a better bet than Lavoie and Jarventie for sure.

I think this is strictly competition for Savoie for an NHL spot.

OriginalPouzar

He scored in his rookie season and then regressed year over year in the AHL.

Lavoie was better in the AHL last season.

OriginalPouzar

Oilers got the 4th used in the Bourgault trade, so:

Bourgault and Chiasson for Jarventie and Podkolzin…. I’ll take that trade.

OriginalPouzar

Perhaps Podkolzin in Lavoie’s replacement in the AHL.

As I mentioned yesterday, for me, if Holloway is gone, Lavoie is the natural 3LW replacement to play with Henrique (or at least get the opportunity to do so).

Lavoie is clearly inferior to Holloway as an overall player at this point (less impactful – better shot) and I don’t think Podkolzin is any better than Lavoie, probably not even at Lavoie’s level.

Todd Macallan

He scored 14 goals as a rookie in 21-22 and has better boots. I’d absolutely have have him ahead of Lavoie at the moment, at least until Raph gets a chance to show what he can do, if that ever comes.

OriginalPouzar

He had a very fine rookie season and then regressed season over season and was not impactful in the AHL – Lavoie was a more impactful AHL player

Lois Lowe

The guy who doesn’t think he should be in the AHL performed worse than the guy who should definitely be in the AHL? Weird. That’s never happened before.

I don’t actually think Podkolzin is much of a player tbh. But he’s shown some finish and has some skating ability for his size. That said, I think Lavoie is in tough to definitively beat him out for an NHL roster spot.

€√¥£€^$

If he is waived, he will be claimed.

Darryl8843

I guess the trade seals the fate of Holloway

Todd Macallan

I hope not, but I fear you’re right. As a deal in isolation I do like the bet though.

cowboy bill

Just another farm hand with the potential to call up to the NHL. This guy doesn’t replace Holloway.

Todd Macallan

Oilers acquire Podkolzin for a 4th in 2025.

Can mean many things, maybe a good bet on youth signed for cheap and focusing on retaining Bro now instead of Holloway? Or unconnected and just good AHL youth. Weird value for the Nucks tho, unsure what they’re thinking.

defmn

Peculiar timing.

Sierra

Holloway replacement?

€√¥£€^$

I think he is likely best on the RW, I am pretty sure there is a spot available on the 4th line.

Lois Lowe

I live in the Lower Mainland and listen to sports radio here. Podkolzin is a pick from the Benning era, he’s not one of Allvin/Rutherford’s guys.

The player has had opportunities to establish himself in the NHL, but hasn’t been able to take advantage of them. He has an NHL skill set but simply hasn’t found consistency.

There were rumours that he wasn’t happy in the AHL and that his agent had asked for a move to be made prior to his last contract.

Ultimately, he’s not a player that Rick Tocchet is comfortable with. As much as the POHO and GM are responsible for the roster, the coach has an outsized influence on roster construction.

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Scungilli Slushy

Listened to a bit of Stauffer’s last drop. The Lawton one and Hart from Puckpedia

Bob mentioned the Oilers being risk averse with young players. The thing that gets me is vet players make mistakes as well. Kulak blew the play on the cup winning goal

I like Kulak’s play it’s not about that one. But when a player is ready for call up, if they are better players you use them, because they are better hockey players. The mistake thing is a red herring. You take that cap gift and don’t look it in the mouth

MushedPeas

Oil seriously need to learn to take their lumps with the youngsters. Make it a priority and this team stays evergreen for so long as the Glimmers gleam.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Yes, all day long.

It’s more about the difference in the ceiling, when the floor is about equal.

Jaxon

Personally, I think they should match both. Even if that means trading however many of Arvidsson 4.0, Ceci 3.25, Skinner 3.0, Henrique 3.0, Kulak 2.75, Janmark 1.45, or Perry 1.15 it takes. And they should be able to fetch something decent for their newly acquired forwards. I think the value of Broberg and Holloway moving forward and possibly even this year will be greater than the players they give up.

Scungilli Slushy

Skinner and Henri got trade clauses

Jaxon

Just double checked. According to Puckpedia, Skinner has a full no move. Henrique doesn’t have any clauses. Janmark has a 10 team no trade list.

Scungilli Slushy

Correct

Mayan Oil

Still a ludicrous strategy. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water…. not only do you have to replace the lower priced men on that list with other players who cost only slightly less (which doesn’t move the needle much at all) you gut the remaining roster horrendously for two promising but still unproven players – one of which doesn’t want to be here and would have us over a very high priced barrel in two years at a very opporune time. Broberg is gone, get used to it. Holloway we will see in a couple of days…

Mayan Oil

ops i mean an inopportune time. bad typing, new glasses

Reja

Fans become attached too prospects Holloway is 23 when the season starts he has 9 career goals in which he plays a style that injuries are in his history. Broberg is a unknown and personally it wouldn’t surprise me if he can’t keep up to the rigors of a top 4 D-man. He allows himself too often to be put in a vulnerable position to get pasted. I believe St.Louis will regret raising eyebrows and pissing of Edmonton. Up front comparing McLeod-Foegele-Holloway to Henrique-Skinner-Arvidsson is beyond laughable. This forwatd group is the best we’ve seen since the mid Eighties. The Oilers group is going to have fun and score 45-50 more Goals this coming season. Booook it…..

Scungilli Slushy

Bro may not progress, but they also have to plan for the future and there is no one else

They might sign a UFA in two years, but would they be young. No. They need young

Holloway is replaceable. I like the player and is the one I feel sorry for because he reportedly didn’t want to sign. Whomever convinced him he should move on from

€√¥£€^$

I disagree.

Who is your Holloway replacement?

€√¥£€^$

I guess we know now, lol.

Reja

Holloway might of cooked his own goose. He was playing with the best up and down the line-up Zero pressure this all changes now that he’s put a target on his back for relatively very little money in the big picture.

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Reja

There’s stop gaps available that might stick.

OriginalPouzar

Fans become attached too prospects Holloway is 23 when the season starts he has 9 career goals in which he plays a style that injuries are in his history. 

It wasn’t long ago that he was “a hound-dog” and would have been the difference in a playoff series the Oilers lost.

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Reja

Holloway is dead to me.

OriginalPouzar

The increasingly famous, or infamous, 2 Mutts now tweeting about Ceci and Leon being best friends and Leon was adamant he was not traded at last year’s deadline – he’s a bit leader apparently and a great community guy.

I can post the tweet but its not short and I’m not sure if I’m supposed to, or no supposed to, in this case.

Scungilli Slushy

It’s unfortunate but you can’t make key decisions based on those things in any business if you want the best outcomes. They may not trade Ceci but that shouldn’t be why. Another reason to get unfinished business done, if they want to and don’t trade Ceci because Leon hasn’t signed, woof. Get ‘er done

Reja

A tight team is a winning formula or would you like to go back to the rat fink Andrew Ference days.

Scungilli Slushy

The best team is the one with the most best players that play as a team

John Chambers

Is Kulak BFF’s with McDavid or Nuge? No? Okay then let’s trade him and open up a spot on the left side.

Scungilli Slushy

I was surprised they let Gazdic go, he was pretty tight with Nuge

godot10

Well, the leadership group cost the Oilers a cup.

Scungilli Slushy

That was my take as well. Players can’t make those decisions because they are too close to their fellow troops

The Great One
Reja

This abuse of Ceci who makes 3.25 is over the top and unfair. Everyone loves a whipping boy Ceci isn’t the greatest but he has does his job in Pittsburgh and Edmonton per contract in my opinion. Rarely Ceci huge goal in game 7 against the Canucks is brought up or the pass of the playoffs to Janmark. If Nurse thinks he’s heard the abuse this is nothing compared to what he’s going to receive once Ceci is gone

Scungilli Slushy

Every player good enough for the NHL makes a good play or scores a big goal once in a while, or once It’s the body of work and Ceci was last in TOI in the finals, for a reason

As for the Janmark pass, that was all on Jan getting that open, and if an NHL player can’t hit a wide open player with a pass…

Reja

It still was a thing of Beauty I hit my head on the ceiling when Janmark scored. Best Oiler Goal for me since Pisani scored in OT.