2024-25 PS Game 6: Canucks at Oilers

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dcsj

I don’t like the shootout, never have. But I wonder why it is necessary at all in an exhibition game. Do they need the practice or something?

OriginalPouzar

Pickard will be skating with Schwartz tomorrow – progressing well.

OriginalPouzar

Coach mentioned this morning that Nurse was seeing the doctor this morning and, now, he mentions that he’s been cleared to play.

OriginalPouzar

Both Dermott and Stecher were much better than Brown tonight, at least by eye.

Kert

Was that Brian Rolston in the shootout? Haha bold choice.

OriginalPouzar

Well that was something I watched…..

flyfish1168

I’m already tired of tocchet whining already.

Tarkus

Oilers take the lead on the PP with R2D2 in the box.

jp

Weird they didn’t give a penalty to Suter for the interference. I guess Perry did drop his gloves though.

I won’t complain about the response.

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jp

Well that was embarrassing Corey Perry.

Pathetic.

DenverOilFan

I’m fine with him coming to defense of captain especially in pre-season. Not you?

jp

Oh, that was a reference to his lovely goal shortly before.

A poster yesterday called Perry’s preseason performance pathetic and embarrassing.

Yes, I also appreciated his defense of McDavid.

Last edited 2 months ago by jp
DenverOilFan

One thing I hope coaching staff mentioned between periods to Josh Brown is that it’s vulcanized rubber, not a hand grenade. For the sake of the D corps, I hope it’s just pre-season rust…

jp

Finally got some Kulak-Stecher now.

LMHF#1

Skinner and Arvidsson will need some time to adapt. They both haven’t known where to go with Leon driving so far.

SVR

Some strange decisions by Knoblauch this camp imo. Waiting this late in pre season to play these three guys in a game may top the list.

I understand wanting to see some of the up and comers play with top end talent, but this is your projected second line with two new players. None of which have played with each other before. Give them as much time as possible to build some chemistry.

let Connor, RNH, and Hyman be the ones shuffling around with the kids. They have hundreds of reps together and could seamlessly jump back together as a line at any time

LMHF#1

I’m hoping the practices wind up
taking care of it, but we’ll see.

jp

Stu Skinner with ‘Mike Smith retro gear’ this season. Huh.

fishman

Canucks broadcast team……

jp

Do you think they’re wrong? I assumed they were told that.

jp

Yeah, found some old pictures of Smith as well. The pads/gloves do appear to be the same.

LMHF#1

So many bad memories…

jp

Lol.

Best SV% of any goalie in Oilers history (with more than 3GP).

2nd best winning % after Moog (better than Fuhr).

It’s genuinely remarkable how much flack the guy gets. He was never even paid a starters salary.

LMHF#1

The love for an overrated a-hole who blamed his defencemen for his mistakes, choked against Chicago, Winnipeg and Colorado in consecutive years, and unsurprisingly allowed one of the worst playoff goals against EVER is absurd.

jp

Who was he overrated by? I recall about 80% derision here. Before he even played a minute of hockey for the team.

Anyway, not all of my memories were bad.

Side

Let me imagine how good his sv% would be if he wasn’t passing the puck to the opposing team which lead to a GA.

(I say this as someone who does not hate Smith)

Last edited 2 months ago by Side
Diablo

Looking sharp. I always liked dark pads when I played.

jp

The team must be pretty certain that Nurse will be back in time for opening night given that they keep playing the 3rd (Kulak-Brown) and 4th (Dermott-Stecher) pairs together while playing Emberson with the Oilers #9 D.

I realize this is exactly what the official line is, but quite a few folks have voiced concern, and surely the team would be looking at least a bit at the contingency options if there was any concern internally.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

To be clear, I think Nurse will be ready to start the season. I just don’t think he is or will be 100%. If he was he would be playing already. It’s concerning that he has been injured all off season after a long playoff run. He needs to have a big season and his off season is going to make that more difficult.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Maybe a contingency plan for Kulak is in order just in case Brown is successful at getting Kulak killed.

OriginalPouzar

Cool play by Brown to negate the PP.

jp

What did he do? I didn’t actually see what his penalty was for (I didn’t see any physical/stick contact).

Gerta Rauss

I’m too lazy to rewind and check but I thought I heard ‘unsportsmanlike conduct’ as the call…he probably said something

jp

Yeah, I assumed as much but wasn’t sure if I’d missed something.

OriginalPouzar

Sooooo, Kulak on the point on the PP?

Wouldn’t mind seeing Arvidsson in the Nuge spot and maybe Podz in the Hyman spot.

OriginalPouzar

Josh Brown with a 4-foot pass with no pressure in to Kulak’s skates with a checker bearing down on him – have fun Brett!

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Dikembe Mutombo dead at 58.

Great player. I remember stuffing folks on NBA 2K with Mutombo. RIP.

The Great One

Pete Rose has passed at 83.

What a ball player.

northerndancer

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em. rip

Reja

It was a shame they never let Pete have his moment. Never say never but no one will ever touch his hits record in my lifetime anyhow.

OriginalPouzar

Tonight’s pairs, per Stauff:

Kulak/Emberson
Gleason/Brown
Dermott/Stecher

OriginalPouzar

Tony B. has the pairs different than Stauff including the much practiced 3rd pairing:

EDM lineup vs. VAN:

Podkolzin – McDavid – Perry
Skinner – Draisaitl – Arvidsson
Janmark – Henrique – Brown
Pederson – Hamblin – Caggiula

Kulak – Brown
Gleason – Emberson
Dermott – Stecher

Skinner
Rodrigue

OriginalPouzar

Oilers are using the last two games as a mini-road trip. They are not returning home between as they’ve done in the past – so says Stauff.

northerndancer

The final test for a lineup spot is who snores….

Diablo

That’s probably not far off … it’s a looooong season, and figuring out who’s going to be a good road companion (aka – good team guy, who no one has to worry about, and brings some joie de vivre to the team on charter buses/flights, hotel rooms, and in the dressing room) might seem like a small thing to us, but it probably means a lot to the guys on the team.

Yes, these guys are supposed to be professionals, but they’re also regular human beings, and mostly are kids under 30 who spend most of their downtime on the road playing video games, finding good restaurants to eat at, and sleeping.

Georgexs

From the perspective of the team, as opposed to the player, a successful draft pick fills one of the key spots: top-9F, top-4D, 1G (or 2G if the team already has a 1G). And the drafted player must be able to fill a key role for many seasons, 3 minimum I’d say. Which, for skaters, should translate into a career that’s well over 300 games, factoring in ramp up and ramp down time for playing a key role. Playing sporadic or marginal minutes outside of key spots is a win for the player not the team. A useful test for success in the heart of a player’s career: Is he difficult to replace?

Last edited 2 months ago by Georgexs
cowboy bill

So fourth liners & third pair defensemen can’t be successful. Got ya.

Bank Shot

The majority of them aren’t. If you are a top 10 leaguewide 3rd pair D or 4th line forward you have some value. Average depth players can be had every offseason for cheap.

I have always had a bit of an issue with people using 200 NHL games as the line in the sand for a successful later round pick. After watching guys like JF Jacques, Lander and Stortini skate around for 100’s of games doing absolutely nothing a person realizes there needs to be a different metric for a successful pick.

Last edited 2 months ago by Bank Shot
OriginalPouzar

Disappointingly crappy lineup for the Nucks tonight – per Gregor:

Canucks expected lineup tonight in EDM…
Bains-Suter-Sprong
Hoglander-Raty-Lekkerimaki
Di Giuseppe – Aman- Sherwood
Mueller- Sasson- Smith

Pettersson – Juulsen
Kudryastev-Desharnais
Wolanin-Friedman

Lankinen

Side

Just imagining some Canucks prospect who is not used to the NHL pace and tries to hold McDavid up at the blueline only to turn his knee into Laine’s.

OriginalPouzar

Daniel Nugent-Bowman

@DNBsports

No confirmation on the Oilers lineup for tonight vs. VAN. Here’s the best guess:

Podkolzin-McDavid-Perry

Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson

Janmark-Henrique-Brown

Caggiula-Hamblin-Pederson

Kulak-Brown

Dermott-Stecher

Gleason-Emberson

Skinner

Rodrigue

I really don’t get that McDavid slot – given Philp is probably in need for a day off, why not throw Hamblin there?

That 4th line is a throw-away line at this point – all but zero chance any stick with the team as Philp is the clear front runner over all three of them.

If that is the defensive pairings, a continuing indication that they really hope Brown is the 3RD, right?

Neither Stecher nor Kemp have played with Kulak at all.

SVR

So next game we should see
Lavoie Philp Ryan
battle it out for the last forward spots

Reja

I have a feeling Podkolzin and Skinner get flipped at some point in the game. Even though it’s exhibition I can see Vasily having a big game against the organization that ostracized him.

defmn

Just looks like another evaluation game for Podkolzin & Perry. The former to get a chance to show his offensive game and the latter to see if he still has his to play with skill in certain circumstances.

The fourth line just looks like a thank you to the AHL leadership group before heading south.

The defensive pairings are intriguing to me. Lots of opportunity for conspiracy theories in all three.

I thought evaluation scenarios would be done by now but apparently Knoblauch isn’t quite there. I expect Philp & Lavoie each get at least one more game after this.

Last edited 2 months ago by defmn
cowboy bill

Gleason is probably just a place holder for Nurse. Brown looks to still be in consideration for Kulak’s partner, while Dermott & Stecher would appear to be locks for the 7 & 8th D. And it appears Podz & Perry have the edge as fourth line wingers with an opportunity to play with Connor. It’s just another dress rehearsal.

OriginalPouzar

Nurse meeting with the doctor today and they are hoping he gets 1-2 games.

SVR

Man, this just keeps sounding worse and worse. I believe I heard somewhere the injury was to his core?

Being that the injury was serious enough that still not fully healed 3 months later, the optimistic side of me thinks Nurse should be back to a top end defenseman once 100% healthy

My pessimistic side wonders how long it will be till he is 100% given the length of recovery time and I’m sure would have affected his training this summer

Scungilli Slushy

I’m less concerned about his fitness level than getting the thing cleared up properly so it doesn’t last all season and tank yet another playoff for him. If he can’t perform well enough that cap hit leaves a big hole

SVR

Agreed, but if it takes missing 15 games to be fully healed, then another 15 – 20 to get fully up to speed, that is all of a sudden a big chunk of the season spent with only 2 top 4 defenseman in the line up. Not ideal and could really affect the bottom line, points in the standings, no matter how good our forward group is

Scungilli Slushy

The thing is, it is what it is. Two of the D are recovering still from last season. The first 20 games are easier, things start to heat up after. Health for playoffs is the most important thing

Last season was a bad start partly because they put the cart before the horse, as a few players have said. Trust the players you have chosen. For the first time in years I don’t question what the coaches are doing and deciding. I think that they know what they are doing, and know their players. They got the team to the finals with 3 D not playing as well as reg season

I also think this management group can get things done. The won’t sit around if there is an issue. Core injuries can really hang on. I’d rather they get Nurse well if there is any doubt. And Stecher. Unless Stu wobbles I think they will be fine. Last season if they had started at .500 in the first 20 they would have been 9-10 pts behind the Pacific leaders not 15 or more

Some teams will start hot as always and fade off, but to me the Pacific is weaker than last season, and the Oilers with a better forward group overall. We’ll see about the D, but if they are all healthy I think it very well could be better as well. It would be disappointing to have a slower start, but the end counts more. More home ice would be great, but you have to play the cards you’re dealt and adjust

Making decisions in too short term thinking hasn’t served them well before

The Great One

Curious that you think the Pacific is weaker.

Likely that Calgary is (by design) and LA might be but Anaheim and San Jose should make some small steps ahead.

Vegas is going into the season fully healthy for the first time in years, have perhaps the best D depth in the league and have the centre depth to play Hertl as the centre on a scoring third line.

Vancouver has added two top 6 forwards to play with Pettersson and have spent all of training camp working at scoring off the rush utilizing added speed from Debrusk, Heinen and Sprong.

The Demko situation is a concern but adding Lankinen eases some of those worries and their D is comparable to last season.

Seattle underperformed significantly on offense last season and have added a couple of pieces that should help them improve.

The Oilers are certainly the division favourite but I don’t think it’s because the division is a whole lot weaker.

leadfarmer

Seattle didn’t underperform. They significantly over performed the previous season that a regression was expected. And the brought in some overpriced vets that will ensure mediocrity

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Lmao.

I wonder if Vegas or Van lost any key players?

OriginalPouzar

Nah – just Mikheyev, Lindholm, Zadarov, etc.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I wonder if Vegas lost any Conn Smythe winners…

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I am very very worried about the second pair.

Nurse is clearly not 100%. We have seen this story a thousand times. Player not 100% entering camp struggles for the first part or all of the season.

Additionally, 2RHD is not exactly a position of strength. Cannot reasonably expect Emberson to anchor the pairing until Nurse is healthy.

Insert Ralph Wiggum “I’m in danger” meme.

OriginalPouzar

Man, this just keeps sounding worse and worse. I believe I heard somewhere the injury was to his core?

How does it keep getting worse and worse?

Nothing has changed from when we were first told we wouldn’t see him in games until the end of camp.

SVR

We’ll see. Earlier, it was sounding pretty confident that he’d play in two or three games. Now it’s one or two.

This team doesn’t exactly have a good record when it comes to giving accurate information on a players injury status

OriginalPouzar

McDavid between Podz and Perry tonight and Drai between Skinner and Arvidsson.

I don’t know why McDavid is playing. I know Philp has played every game but put him there – an actual legit spot where he might play games this season.

northerndancer

I think they want to showcase Perry’s speed by playing him with McD.

General McDavid

Of course Kris Kristofferson died on a Sunday. Some things are meant to be.

https://youtu.be/men-059FGL0?si=rb5GX772__GDNTnb

Rhodes scholar. Gold glove boxer. Helicopter pilot. Movie star. And arguably the greatest C&W songwriter ever. What a life.

If Kris had been blessed with the voice of someone like Don Henley, they would have run out of vinyl printing all the albums he would have sold.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Cuz he only sold 7.9 million albums.

General McDavid

My late father’s favourite songwriter. Have to credit the old man for passing on some of his good taste.

General McDavid

“Loving her was easier than anything I’ll ever do again.”

Bill

Mr. Kristofferson was also a Ranger(Armed Forces).

Remarkable life, remarkable person. Thank goodness we have the vinyl. Music that will never be matched.

Hoppers Hare

If happiness is feeling blue
and drinking in the afternoon
then I suppose I’m happy as a clam,

But if it’s got a thing to do
with smiling and forgetting you,
then I don’t guess that you could say I am.

In my opinion, the greatest run on sentence ever written.

Scungilli Slushy

Amazing fellow. We all have our taste, I might prefer to stick a different set of pipes there

danny

My father was a huge Kristofferson fan, so by extension I always have appreciated his genius.

To me though, what impressed me most, was the way he came to the defense of Sinead OConnor when she made an incredibly unpopular and incendiary (and accurate) claim against the Catholic Church.

She instantly became a pariah and it was open season on attacking her publicly. Very famous people were saying very despicable things about her. But Kris consoled her, commended her courage and stood by her amid the backlash.

That’s a real testament to what kind of person he was. RIP.

813.52Ran

King of run-on sentence stories:

I was runnin’ through the summer rain,
tryin’ to catch an evening train
and kill that old familiar pain
weaving through my tangled brain
and when I tipped my bottle back
I smacked into a cop I didn’t see.

That po-lice man said, Mr. Cool
if you ain’t drunk then you’re a fool
I said if that’s against the law
tell me why I never saw
a man locked in your jail cell
who wasn’t just as lowdown broke as me.

well, that was when someone turned out the lights . . .

Last edited 2 months ago by 813.52Ran
Hoppers Hare

“… and I wound up in jail to spend the night!”

thanks for that I read it in his voice

Ancient Oilers Fan

In this song my favourite lines are:

I said I won’t be leavin’ no more quicker than I can
Cause I’ve enjoyed about as much as this as I can stand
And I don’t need this town of yours more than I never needed nothin’ else

This is the writing of a Roads Scholar and English Professor. Triple negative that says exactly what it means with perfect grammar and sounding like a hayseed.

Although, he said the line he’s most proud of was “Freelin’ nearly faded as my jeans”
His manager asked him to write a song about a girl named Bobby McKee.

With only that instruction, he wrote Me and Bobby McGee. He’d misheard the name

northerndancer

This little thread, alongside LT’s original act of reconciliation above, is why the LT blog is such a remarkable community. And sticks and pucks and nets and passes and wicked wristers and pp witches and calm tits. Thanks you.

General McDavid

We were raised on Gretzky. We appreciate genius 🙂‍↕️

northerndancer

word

OriginalPouzar

I guess we won’t be seeing Kemp with Kulak nor Nurse with Emberson.

It will be interesting to have McDavid in the lineup without Hyman and Nuge, if that is indeed the case.

@TonyBrarOTV

·

12m

Players not in the lineup tonight (non-game roster is skating this morning):

Nugent-Hopkins, Hyman, Ryan, Philp, Bouchard, Ekholm, Kemp, Akey, Nurse, Delia. #Oilers

NovaScotiaOiler

Thanks LT. Awhile back a dear friend of mine dedicated a few years of his life (on and off) filming interviews with survivors of the residential school system for the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. As a Cree Canadian, it was really quite hard on him and I could see it’s affects on him each time he returned from a trip.
A few year’s later he ended up channeling that experience into a pretty powerful short documentary featuring one of the survivors he’d originally met doing that work. I thought I’d share it here in honor of today (also available on Prime). If you have 13-minutes it’s worth a watch:
https://www.nfb.ca/film/holy-angels/

Boil-in-the-Oil

Excellent film. Thank you.

northerndancer

Thank you for this. I will watch with my family after dinner tonight. Hockey can take a back seat for today.

Tarkus

Hoffman released from his PTO.

OriginalPouzar

Among the draft picks 2015+ I consider to be successes: Connor McDavid, Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear, John Marino, Vincent Desharnais, Kailer Yamamoto, Stuart Skinner, Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod, Mike Kesselring, Matej Blumel, Phil Kemp.

May I ask how Blumel is on this list?

As of now, he’s 24, played 6 NHL games 3 seasons ago and spent the entirety of the last two season in the AHL.

If he is on the list then can we not put Berezkin and LaChance on the list given their arrows?

Last edited 2 months ago by OriginalPouzar
OriginalPouzar

Kailer Yamamoto, chosen No. 22 overall in 2017, has played 303 NHL games. No matter what happens from here, Yamamoto was a successful draft pick.

Yamamoto is also 13th in points and 11th in points for forwards in his draft year.

Its was a solid pick – imagine if the Oilers would have chosen Lias Andersson – formerly part of the greatest and deepest prospect pool in league history?

For a while, this was trending to be a very good pick but it seems injuries have taken a toll and his style of play for his size may not have been sustainable for a long career.

Last edited 2 months ago by OriginalPouzar
John Chambers

Yamo also scored a series-winning goal, in G6 to beat LA in 2023.

His career as an Oiler was only 254 regular season and 34 playoff games, but #56 had moments where he contributed to the Oilers’ ascendency.

Like you say, his injuries kept him from being a draft steal.

Last edited 2 months ago by John Chambers
winchester

What is success in just playing hockey?

First you must make the AAA squads. That is success for so many minor leaguers. Then multiple seasons as you grow up playing 6 days a week. Thousands and thousands of dollars committed in both money and time.

Getting drafted by an NHL team is a huge success that all your hard work is recognized. But even if not drafted, playing in the WHL or OHL is success greater than 99% of all players graduating from minor hockey.

Making 1$ as a professional is success. Or getting yourself through school. Or a stint in Europe as a young person.

Losing your teeth, breaking bones, pulled groins and dislocated shoulders.

Making it all the way to the NHL is achieved by so few. Massive success.

I think this why we all have a soft spot for that player just on the fringe of making it. He just needs to be a little quicker, a little better skater, an extra move, extra ability to read the play. We cheer for these guys.

dcsj

Yeah, exactly this. I wish they all could make it , which is irrational, but being a fan is kind of irrational anyway. One of the things that keeps me coming back to LT’s blog is the attention he pays to the prospects. Great stories there even though some NHL dreams never pan out

Bruce McCurdy

Interesting that some of the guys with AHL-class contracts got the invite to Oilers camp & some did not.

defmn

Apparently there was a precise number of attendees required/requested/desired/needed for Oilers camp according to various reports & last minute PTO’s.

Something I still find a peculiar explanation when dealing with a group of over 55 players.

Scungilli Slushy

I understand the thinking of what constitutes a successful pick. I have never been able to get there. To me a successful pick is someone who establishes a career at whatever role. If you are healthy and can’t stay in the league more than two seasons, kudos for getting to the league, but obviously you aren’t an NHL quality player

If you are a top 10 pick or so, I think you should be producing at a higher level, and have some impact on the game in a more direct sense, to meet the draft pedigree, in other words be a top player of some sort. It’s a quickly descending scale of success after that, staying in the league covers the bet

defmn

I agree that games played, alone, is too vague. A first round pick who plays 200 games on the fourth line or 3rd pairing might be a success for the player from a financial point of view but I don’t think the team that expended the pick would think so & I suspect the player would also be disappointed in how things turned out.

As you say finding a formula that actually describes what we think of as successful is much more complicated.

YYCOil

Last year’s top 8 teams
Puckpedia depth chart for the upcoming season
5v5 Points per line last year
no adjustment for injuries or rookies

Line 1
Avs 300
Oilers 276 (great line not sure they can pass AVS – #2 Projected)
Panthers 246
Canucks 212
Stars 210
Canes 208
Bruins 194
NYR 187

Line 2
NYR 254
Canucks 176
Stars 170
Panthers 168
Oilers 167 (Arvidsson’s total were low and should 20-30 more points – #2 projected)
Bruins 166
Avs 91
Canes 88

Line 3
Canucks 107
Avs 91
Panthers 76
Oilers 75 (Henrique’s points is 68% of this total, concern IMO – #5 projected)
Stars 74
Canes 68
Bruins 67
NYR 46

Line 4
Canucks 63
Stars 59
Oilers 46 (anyone guess on this one -#3 projected)
NYR 46
Canes 41
Bruins 35
Avs 29
Panther 22

Canucks are the best-balanced team
Canes are the worst balanced team
Puckpedia might have the NYR 1st and 2nd line reversed???

Scungilli Slushy

The Canucks were the best balanced. They have some serious SH% regression to the meat on the horizon word on the street is

Bruce McCurdy

Surely these are points per line in all situations, not just 5v5.

cowboy bill

I guess so. But a guess is only a guess.

Brantford Boy

With the recent documentary on Amazon Prime “The Tragically Hip – No Dress Rehearsal”, I’ll share these links:
https://downiewenjack.ca/our-story/
https://secretpath.ca/#Film

I believe it’s been posted many times here that The Talking Heads were ahead of their time, and I feel Downie was a leader in bringing these issues to the forefront.

Last edited 2 months ago by Brantford Boy
OriginalPouzar

I think we know we’ll see the Drai line for the first time.

I am hopeful that we’ll see Nurse/Emberson tonight.

Would love to see Kemp with Kulak but figure it’ll be Brown.

Philp has played every game so maybe a night off but I’d like to see him with Podz and one of Ryan or Perry.

Scungilli Slushy

I am concerned about Nurse playing unless 100%. I haven’t seen any reports on him lately. Feels like a problem in the making, hope I’m wrong. They really need a good season from him

OriginalPouzar

The publicly provided info on him was that he wasn’t going to play in any games in the first part of camp and will likely play some near the end.

He participated in all the informal skates before camp and participated fully in all practices and in all drills.

I personally have very little concern unless we see him limited in his play or if he doesn’t paly in 1-2 exhibition games as planned.

Justthestatsman

Can someone enlighten me? Will Roby Jarventie need to be included on the roster for cap calculations if he’s still unable to play on opening night?

Last edited 2 months ago by Justthestatsman
OriginalPouzar

He would be placed on regular IR but he will have a tiny cap hit as it will be pro-rated to the amount of games on an NHL roster last season – he played 7 games.

Unless he is cleared to be reassigned.

Justthestatsman

Thanks, good to know.

defmn

Thanks, I was wondering the same thing.

OriginalPouzar

If he was on a one-way contract or had played 50 or more NHL games last season, his full cap hit would apply.

For those that don’t hit one of those triggers, the cap hit is pro-rated to number of games on the roster for the previous season. I’m not sure if Jarventie was on the roster for more than those 7 games that he played.