This is the Oilers 2016-17 training camp roster. Holy hell it’s a list. The left side of the depth chart on defense boasts real strength and sustain, while the RH side needed Brandon Davidson and Caleb Jones in order to offer balance. The current Oilers have a dandy No. 1 RH defenseman and I do like Ty Emberson as a second-pairing option. The organization has Troy Stecher as an option for third pair, but are giving Josh Brown a long look late in training camp. As you know, I like rugged players. I also like players who can help outscore opponents. Much of what we discuss in the coming days will surround those two points.
RUGGED SOUL
We’ve been discussing the rugged soul of the Edmonton Oilers since Vincent Desharnais left via free agency and Evander Kane confirmed he would miss significant time in the coming season. One of the things we need to discuss is deployment and success. Puck IQ is a Godsend for all things, if it was in Bible form I’m sure you’d see Puck IQ Kingdom Halls across the land.
Vincent Desharnais spent 29 percent of his five-on-five time versus elites. He did well, but was 6-12 goals while away from the McDavid line against the league’s best. Edmonton’s coaching staff faded him against the top opponents, and his player card shows he had good underlying numbers against the soft parade.
Evander Kane played 30 percent of his time versus elites, and owned a 3-3 goal share with the captain and 8-16 without versus elites. He was hurt much of last season but was a drag versus elites even with McDavid, who was 17-9 versus elites without Kane (all via Puck IQ) at five-on-five.
So, when we talk about rugged soul and Josh Brown needing to outscore, it should be placed in context. We are talking about adding physical players at the expense of outscoring.
Against elites, Evan Bouchard with McDavid one year ago: 11-10. Without? 9-6 goals. McDavid without: 9-3 goals.
Bouchard helps his team win. People get all caught up in the rugged side, and I get it. There’s an entire industry in Edmonton media that spends time talking about the rugged soul of the team being lost since Curt Brackenbury left town. Adding players who can’t outscore is not the answer.
What is the answer? The Oilers addressed this over the summer, but that will take time to have an impact. In the meantime, we’ll get a very good view of the coaching staff and their collective ability to assess talent and move that talent in a good direction. We need to acknowledge the truth in these Puck IQ numbers. Here’s Desharnais last season.
I think it’s fair to say he finished above 50 percent versus elites and most of the reasons had to do with his teammates. His DFF percentage (smart Corsi, like expected goals) is 50.8 percent but the relative numbers are in the ditch and his goal share against top opposition was 41 percent.
You may worship at the alter of the Oilers rugged soul if you wish, but please understand it comes at a price. Unless you’re talking about Adam Larsson as an Oiler when he was healthy.
A busy show today as waivers begins to take over the week. We’ll be live at noon, Sports 1440. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will join me, and we welcome your comments. I’m at Lowetide on twitter, in the comments section here and on the Sports 1440 text line at 1.833.401.1440 directly.
CERTAIN AND UNCERTAIN OILERS
We’re just about through now, I’m not going to publish the distant bells because there’s just injured guys left. I think we’ll see Olivier Rodrigue, Travis Dermott and Raphael Lavoie as the next cuts. I think Noah Philp will make this team.
New for The Athletic: Why Edmonton Oilers prospect Sam O’Reilly is a perfect organizational fit
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Timeline is setting up nicely. By the end of this season, Philp is the 4C (handover from one Golden Bear to another – perfect). Philp then plays the entire 2025 – 2026 season in the NHL as 4C with O’Reilly back in the OHL. Training camp in fall 2026, sees O’Reilly and Philp as 3C and 4C (what order TBD) as Henrique should not be resigned.
For the 2026 – 2027 season, the Oilers 3C and 4C should not cost much more than $2m. Value contracts as required.
I don’t know. What are you going to tell Adam?
Thank you?
I saw Philp and Dermott rather well tonight. The Leon line is starting to gel a tiny bit. Great look on the 2nd goal.
Nurse looked the same as he ever was. It’s like he’s unlearned how to be in position… I have the impression it’s getting worse. First game, I hope.
Rordrigue having a VERY tough night – lots of very stoppable pucks in his net.
Yep. This. I had a familiar 2010s feeling on every poor angle mid-range wrister. Dread? Expectation of failure?
I thought we got rid of Jack Campbell??
Jack had better numbers than Rodrigue in the AHL last season.
Especially on pay day.
Didn’t see this until today, but a tip o’ the hat for the post of the day. (awarded post-diurnally)
Cheers!
Well that’s comforting.
They were both top 10 goalies in the AHL last season.
Ok OP … now you’re just working me. I’m going to stop while I can still climb out of the hole.
Oilers top guys getting a ton of shots blocked. In particular on the PP.
Nurse has been solid tonight. A good arrow.
LOL – Jack uses the word “solid” to describe Nurse 20 seconds after I post.
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How did the goalie play?
I saw him poorly on quite a few plays. It didn’t look like anything physical. He just doesn’t think the game well… constantly caught out of position. Sometime I think he’s an anti-Lidstrom
Josh Brown minus 2 … after 2. Kulak must be wondering what he has done to deserve this.
did you happen to notice the goaltending in the game?
No, I was busy watching Brown hitting a guy along the boards while the puck carrier skated right by him leading to the third goal. Seattle getting way too many wide open shots.
try to watch more than just one player you may enjoy the game more.
I hear you … but if Kulak-Brown is the 3rd pairing this year, we’re screwed.
Rodrigue gives up 4 goals on 5 shots in the 2nd but the 2nd line has started to gel and whip the pick around creating.
And he’s our #3 goalie? That’s a concern.
I’m not sure one game from any player is indicative of anything.
True, but he hasn’t really impressed this entire pre-season.
Just a relentless PP, no quit throughout the 5v3, McDavid is pushing his pace up for sure. Really sharp passing too, looks to be in mid season form already.
I have NOT got that at all from this game – McDavid has been very exhibition season meh through this game – to my eye.
Ryan Winterton had a solid first period, often showing up at the right time and place to foil the Oilers’ progress.
Are folks watching on Oilers+ or Sportsnet+, or something else?
onhockey (dot) tv
Thanks.
Amazon prime is carrying it in the US, not sure if that’s just a Seattle thing.
On his first shift, Nurse with a collision behind the net and his body contorted awkwardly and he seems no worse for wear. Maybe I’m stretching but that’s the exact type of bang bang play that can aggravate a core type injury. I’m enthused!
Drai getting his pissy stick penalties out early this season.
At the game and Derek Ryan gave me a puck at warmups! 🙂
Hey all you Ontarians and those living there. We’re in the Niagara area and man it’s something. Lovely province. Not a holiday but hope to have a look around tomorrow a bit. We’re lucky as Canadians having such a beautiful and diverse country
— Niagara-on-the-lake is such a charming little town: an once a very important hub of Lower Canadas economic engine
— And Niagara Falls as much as it’s a tourist trap: whenever we take out of towers it’s really an awesome wonder. Try to do a tour and take the elevator to the ground
— If your a foodie : Fat Rabbit great as well as recent Michelin award Pearl Morrissette.
— It is a spectacular region : enjoy and yeah drive around.
Thanks for the tips!
OMG it’s Stecher who might be the odd man out..
All this talk about Josh Brown and the PK (including me as I’ve got the feeling the PK is the main reason the coaching staff wants him) and BOTH Dermott and Stecher played more per game on the PK than Josh Brown last season – on the same team.
I think the community forgot to note that former Canuck stud prospect, touted by some to be on the verge of elite NHL production, was waived by the Sabres and cleared.
“High end NCAA players who have had success playing against men in an environment that encourages practice and skill development have become very valuable assets especially at Harvard which has been churning out NHL D. (Marino, Adam Fox, Jack Rathbone)”
I guess Harvard overchurned a bit too much on Rathbone.
“Quinn Hughes scored 5G 28A 33P in 32 games in his second season at the University of Michigan.
Jack Rathbone scored 7G 24A 31P in 28 games in his second season at the D factory at Harvard.
Like Hughes, Rathbone is a plus skating puck mover.
Imagine if the Canucks end up with TWO of them.”
I guess we will have to keep imagining. Harvard is getting a defective unit sent back to it’s D factory.
This was one of my favourites. Right up there with the next big thing: Joe Snively.
His nickname wouldn’t be Whiplash, would it? Snively”Whiplash”??
You can fool most of the people all the time.
The Edmonton are now a team to test yourself against. McDavid and Draisaitl are players you test yourself against.
Getting the others teams best games for an entire season is very fatiguing. And there is little fear of taking a cheap shot at either at either star player.
I like the words “rugged soul” I think it’s right on the money. And it the most underestimated value right now.
A team in this situation (contenders) need youthful energy, high motors, and rugged attitude to play 82 games and arrive healthy at playoffs.
Ruggedness is extremely hard to measure. Having the biggest baddest player on the ice makes everyone a touch bigger.
The big battles, winning the puck in the tough areas, owning the front of the net, these often do not have instant results. They have cumulative results.
To me, Oilers are shaping up to have plenty of skill. They will put the puck in the net. But there is plenty of hard work, even dirty work that has to be done. I would not underestimate the importance of having some rugged, spicy, no nonsense players around. It is absolutely critical component for a team that wants to go all the way.
Yeah, I expect a lot of pixels used this coming season on here as every team the Oilers play will be “dirty” and “targeting our skill guys” etc. etc.
If you can’t win hockey games with equal or superior skill it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what the alternative is.
I think one way to combat thuggery is to play with pace. It hard to goon it up when you are on the back foot. To a large extent, this is what the Oilers did in the playoffs.
Or it’s easier because you don’t have the puck
It took 30 some years but I do feel the pendulum is finally on our side when it comes to referring. We have a abundance of veteran skilled talent that garner respect from the zebras.
“The forward cupboard is bare! We’re screwed!” – randos who don’t get cap era hockey.
Sam O’Reilly, Matt Savoie and Noah Philp have entered the chat.
You can re-stock really damn fast these days.
Ummmm I appreciate your optimistic outlook but a late 1st, top pick on a second team already and 25 year old rookie who looks to top out in the bottom 6 is not restocked.
It has always been possible to restock fast. Been a while since the Oilers have been hitting frequently on any picks though.
I have hope for the current crop of prospects, but they are a thin group with no real blue chippers.
@PuckPedia
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Thanks for the summary. Much appreciated.
Usually, I agree with you about almost everything. In this case, I disagree on Brown as #7D. I think Dermott gets the spot, as is better at the hockey thing in general AND can play both sides… as long as we can sign him at a buryable amount to preserve our roster flexibility… Yes to Philp and Lavoie though! It is their time.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Dermott signs a two way deal with minimum NHL pay & maximum AHL money.
It doesn’t look like management is ready to give up on Brown but the coaching staff have to know by now.
I said from the day he was signed he is a 8-12 game player for when they are up against teams like Calgary who are more interested in giving their fans something to cheer about than they are than winning.
Could we see Stecher on waivers?
At this stage of their career are Perry and Ryan even everyday NHL players? I suspect we can expect 45ish games left on their career?? on the 4th line… for 8-10 minutes a night. 97, 29, 25, 14, 93 are mature enough and strong enough leaders to fill in on those soft skills that Ryan and Perry bring.
The risk of moving to Philp and Lavoie is so small and it has some upside.
With Swayman falling out of favour in Boston.
Would you trade Skinner for him?
Maybe something like Kane and Skinner for him, so the money works.
I love Swayman but I don’t think the Oilers could fit his likely contract of 8+ million into their current cap structure.
I also highly doubt the Bruins would trade him. And certainly not for Skinner and Kane.
I’d love me some Swayman here. If there’s a way to do it, get it done.
Kane + Skinner isn’t getting it done though, and I’d like to see them keep Skinner as well so they have that 1A/1B thing. Cap be damned!
This is the exactly the time where Sather would strike for a trade – IF the gain was there.
I’m not sure the gain from Swayman is enough to justify that contract number. It looks doubtful in fact.
I bet the oilers offered Deharnais the Brown contract or something similar (3x1M) and he tested free agency.
Good for him on getting that extra $1M- this is life changing money for most. The oilers could not afford to pay him that.
The Brown contract is a weird one but it can be buried. I think, for depth purposes, they like the muscle waiting and ready on the sidelines.
While you head down to your Puck IQ kingdom hall, I will be praying to my Georgesx altar in my closet.
The holy grail statistics are the ones that have the strongest year over year correlation because, statistically speaking, they are the best predictor of future success (or failure).
If a statistic jumps around widely year over year for the same player then it’s not really any good at giving us a prediction.
GeorgeXS championed the use of PPG because of its high year-over-year correlation on the aggregate.
What’s notable here is that PPG isn’t even an advanced stat—it’s just basic boxcar numbers. The same player stats I used to pore over in the sports section of the Edmonton Journal during my childhood. With all the advancements in hockey analytics, you’re advocating analyzing players based on their GP: G-A-P totals.
But the predictive power of a statistic isn’t solely based on its correlation with past performance; it’s also about its ability to account for underlying factors that influence future outcomes. A prime example where the predictive ability of PPG falls short is when you acquire a player like Adam Henrique. When he goes from playing nearly two and a half minutes on the power play to just thirty seconds, his PPG drops from 0.67 to just 0.4.
George sold you the emperor’s new clothes—a facade that looks impressive but lacks real substance. It’s time to look beyond superficial stats like PPG and embrace advanced analytics that account for the complexities of the game.
Are you trying to be ironic here? (sorry, I’m genuinely not sure)
Aren’t advanced stats the emperor’s new clothes?
What does it mean to be descriptive but not predictive?
(or, what’s the point of the complexities if they aren’t tied to the outcomes we care about?)
You’ve lost me a bit here.
Let’s start by clarifying what exactly we’re trying to predict.
If we’re trying to forecast how many points Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will score this upcoming season—assuming he continues to play on the top line and power-play unit with McDavid—then his prior points per game might serve as a reasonable estimate. In this stable context, PPG is as good as any publicly available data, even if it doesn’t account for aging effects.
However, contextualization is imperative. If we’re trying to predict how many points Zack Hyman will score next year while playing on the third line in San Jose and not being used on the power play, his prior points per game won’t be very helpful.
This is because PPG is descriptive—it tells us what happened in the past—but it’s not necessarily predictive when key variables change. PPG doesn’t account for underlying factors like changes in role, ice time, team and linemates, which significantly impact future performance.
So, while PPG can offer insights in consistent scenarios, it offers very little forecasting ability when circumstances aren’t static.
But what scoring stats help us in the Hyman scenario? The difficulty with so many metrics is that for the mushy middle, so many numbers are deployment driven.
Are we talking about me calculating his projected point totals in that scenario, on the back of a napkin, or an analytics department using a mix of public, 3rd party and proprietary data that they plug into multivariate regression models to adjust for his minutes and quality of linemate etc?
I think this helps close the gap (for me at least).
You have belief and trust that there exists higher quality, more predictive data/algorithms.
So when you say ‘advanced analytics’, you mean something we have never seen.
Is that fair?
Yeah, we really do need to step back here.
Georgexs was saying (I believe) that PPG is the most predictive individual player statistic we have, precisely because PP usage and TOI are baked in to the number. Generally a player who’s played lots of minutes and/or has played on the PP one year will continue to do those things.
You seem to be finding (or hypothesizing) some exceptions and then trying to use them to try to invalidate the rule.
Of course there are exceptions, and I think we can all agree PPG in one year isn’t perfectly correlated (or predictive) of PPG in the next year. That doesn’t mean it isn’t well correlated (and predictive) most of the time.
The conversation began with PuckIQ and other advanced stats though. None of those are more correlated (or predictive) year over year than PPG is, are they?
You say PPG “offers very little forecasting ability when circumstances aren’t static“, but this is as much (actually more) true for ‘advanced analytics’, isn’t it?
Quoting this again:
In what way are advanced analytics accounting for the complexities of the game? If they aren’t correlated/predictive year over year, what is the added value?
At least Georgexs found something that was actually correlated/predictive of future something.
I don’t understand at all why you’d call it the emperor’s new clothes or a facade. As far as I can tell it’s the most ‘real’ thing we have.
This strikes me as a very simplistic and uncharitable description of Georgesx’s views.
Brown will undoubtedly clear waivers and his replacement will earn league minimum.
The Oilers should start the season without Brown on the roster to accrue as much space as possible and let Brown work his way back to the NHL with solid play in the A.
This seems logical but nothing that has happened in camp leads us to believe that the organization is leaning that way, well, except for Brown’s on-ice play but that doesn’t seem to factor in yet…….
The Athletic has team by team predictions coming out this week.
Looks like the Math’s agree with the take that Vegas lost an awful lot of forward and goaling depth. Bubble Team alongside the Kings. Ducks, Flames and Sharks have already been reviewed and are amongst the worst in the league. The weakness of the Pacific, really the West in general, is the reason number 1 not to worry too much about our dear Oilers.
Managing ice time in a real and spectacular way against the Dregs should be Coach K’s biggest priority. It should also be the time he runs different wingers alongside the top PP. Pump everyone’s stats just a tad more.
Are there going to be evenings this regular season when maybe the team doesn’t push for the win — let’s say keeps the top 6 to under 20 regardless — with an eye on a playoff health and playoff energy, even if it costs a divisional title (to Vancouver, I don’t see anyone else coming close) and to that point, what is the value of home ice vs. aforementioned health and energy? And, how badly will the fanbase and media hyperventilate when this team goes 5-5 over any stretch of the season?
Those are the larger narrative arcs I’m looking forward to this season.
^ this is loser hockey. The Oilers shouldn’t play loser hockey.
I’m looking for the Coach to spread the love and the rewards. Lots of guys on the roster can score, not just McDrai, give them a chance to score.
To expand. I think you always push for wins, always, unless you have a wicked flu or something running through the room.
The schedule is jammed cause of the 4 Nations tourney so keeping guys fresh will be paramount. Easing the in game asks against the Dregs and spreading some PP love is probably the easiest way to do that.
I’m fine if you need to run McDrai heavily against the Avs and Stars, that makes sense. Do they need to play > 20 min/game against the Sharks and the Ducks? uggg I hope not, I hope Coach KK trusts his team to score and that they reward his trust. What I’d like to see is the Coach trust his non-All Stars to be the difference makers against the dregs.
I heard MacT talking about the 90 Cup and Muckler going to 4 lines and coming back on the Jets and all the way
Connor and Leon can’t do it alone. We know this. Play the roster and get everyone engaged with a stake in it. There is enough depth now, trust it and keep everyone as fresh as possible
Great post!
IMO, watching it in the flesh. Coach K went to a line in Game 7 that was clearly gassed. It was clearly gassed in the 2nd period and it was obvious. Draisaitl was NOT a 1st line, tip the scales player in Game 7.
Action Jackson bet that it’s more
important to give Coach KK the best possible chance of winning a 2 minute drill. That’s what Jeff Skinner is.
I’m 100% behind that bet. I think it’s clearly and obviously the best possible bet WHEN we’re betting one of say four teams to win the Stanley Cup.
All that said the Josh Brown bet was stupid. It didn’t make sense, none of it will sense and it will turn out that way. Bizarre choice and whoever was a part of it better not be part of the organization today.
To me there were 3 top 6 wingers until Kane also couldn’t contribute. I’m not convinced playing a seriously hobbled Drai was the best bet, but there weren’t options really that appeared better, Foegele or Holloway etc. I don’t think KK is a stubborn guy or dense, he must not have seen enough
Now there are more proper options, I hope they stay healthy and they use them more
Per Gregor:
Perry, Podkolzin, Emberson, Stecher and Pickard skated this morning so, tonight’s lineup is likely:
RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Caggiula-Philp-Ryan
Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Dermott
Kulak-J.Brown
Skinner
Rodrigue
D pairs could be swapped.
Seems odd they wouldn’t play Emberson tonight with Nurse in and, for me, I’d like to see Stecher with Kulak in a game against a solid lineup – but Brown.
This could be the game that decides if vanilla steady eddy Dermott recieves a contract and like I posted yeasterday I think he does.
I know it’s only preseason, but some very curious lineup decisions.
Josh Brown is Will Acton. A smell that won’t go away.
That is quite the insult
It is a Dallas Eakins joke.
Interesting they’re playing Dermott with Nurse. I expected they would have a look at Dermott on the right side. But not with Nurse.
It would seem they’re still evaluating Brown & Dermott and no doubt they’re keeping a close eye on Philp. Podz, Emberson & Stecher are in, so might Perry, but you know how I feel about Perry.
So, LT you want to just keep Brown around because he’s big? And not sign Dermott, who outplayed Brown all preseason, plays both sides and probably could be signed for league minimum.
How on earth did you get that out of what I wrote?
Lmao.
Well, you were talking about Josh Brown being a rugged soul and you have him making the final roster. It’s confusing. I’ve been supporting Brown all along up until recently.
I just don’t now see how he makes the roster. I guess because he’s a rugged soul and he can PK, possibly as well as Vinny.
Coach keeps talking about the PK. I think the right side of the PK D is giving this guy a ton of rope.
Does Dermott not PK?
Dermott
Career: 350.4 min in 329 games
2023 – 2024 with Zona: 130.1 min in 50 games
Brown
Career: 512.6 min in 290 games
2023 – 2024 with Zona: 105.3 min in 51 games
Brown and Dermott have already been evaluated – and Dermott won. However, I cannot find what side they played when on the PK so there is that.
He played 2:45 per game on the PK last year for Arizona – other than that, he’s had a few years where he’s hovered around 1 min/game on the PK and a number of years where his PK TOI was around 30 seconds per game.
Its also tough to see Dermott as an every day player with a healthy d-core as, really, although he can play the right side, from accounts, switching over is not something that is generally ideal.
It would be nice if Brown stepped up and grabbed that spot that spot beside Kulak. But with Stecher and Dermott around, Stecher at #6 beside Kulak and Dermott at #7 makes sense to me. Brown needs to be better; this is why I like the idea of going into the season with eight D, as I keep saying. I guess we’ll see.
Sorry if I’m freaking out a bit here.
I think the team his hoping to carry a 13F and might not be able to for cap reasons (practically, if they do want to accrue material cap space prior to injuries eventually cratering that).
I can’t imagine they keep 8D.
Brown can be easily waived and assigned to Bako and can be called up whenever they determine he is needed of if he starts to play better.
Do you mean twelve forwards plus Kane or thirteen rorwards plus Kane?
With 7 D.
I’m sure they want to carry 13F plus Kane but, as we know, that will crater their daily cap accrual.
With 13 forwards + Kane, 7 D & 2 g.
And everything else they will be under the cap by $76,213 according to my calculations. That’s with Philp as the 13th forward & Brown as 6th D and Dermott 7th D.
Exactly – if they stayed like that for the season they wouldn’t even be able to acquire a league min player at the deadline.
Might be worthwhile just to put Kane on LTIR.
I still can’t see how they keep brown around. he is not good. At best a depth #8 dman Send him down. No one will clai taht contract.
I expect them to sign Dermott and keep him up
And Philip is going down due to waiver eligibility. he will play a lot in the minors, and be one of the first call ups. especially if Ryan loses more of a step (he has looked good) or seems to be lagging. Lavoie could be lost, so i think it’s more a waiver thing. he stays, Philip down so they lose no one. It’s about the waiver wire
Philp actually has to play wherever he is. Lavoie does not (although it would be better if he did).
Pressboxing Philp in Edmonton would be a mistake. If he stays, he plays (or better be playing).
I’m not certain what you are responding to, but Philp has earned an NHL job. I don’t see him sitting, especially since the solves the Ryan-Perry speed issue. A platoon of Ryan-Perry seems likely to me, I think Philp is a faster train. Could be wrong.
Is there room on the roster for both Ryan & Perry?
Yes.
There is room for Ryan and Perry and Philp if they aren’t caring about meaningful accrual of cap space.
If they do care, there is only room for two.
Once injuries hit, they will need to add bodies and their ability to accrue will crater in the normal course – I think they likely want to accrue and bank as much as they can prior to being forced to add cap, no?
I’d like to see Podkolzin, Philp and Lavoie as a 4th line.
Seems like a line that a coach may only play 3-5 minutes some nights…..
I have time for that line but its almost a certainty we will not see that next week.
So who are the 2RD targets? Pretty short list if Emberson falls short:
Pionk – WPG probably needs to fall out to make it happen
Ristoleinen – warts are well known but have some gone away?
Juricek – young, unproven but intriguing
lol with the Risto suggestions. Look at his toi year over year. His numbers improved because he played third pairing minutes on a weak Philly team. He is not a real second pair option.
John Carlson if Washington tanks.
Will Borgen.
Parayko maybe.
Folks have posted extensive lists many times.
John Calrsson is like $8MM for next season (in addition to this season).
Obviously they’d need to retain (and probably take back a contract) and damn would that be expensive to acquire.
Not to mention, I don’t think Calrsson goes anywhere before Ovi hits 41 more goals.
Artem Zub
This is the correct answer.
Is there a reason that Ottawa would trade him? He seems like a decent contract and they are under the cap. I haven’t seen the discussion around why/how to target Zub.
If they’re out of it at the deadline and Staios wants to put his stamp on the roster, yes.
I want some of what you’re smoking LT, if you think Staois is going to trade Zub to us (or anyone else). He’s 28, making very reasonable dollars to be their first pairing RHD, with 2 more years left on his deal after this season. Behind him are Nick Jenson, Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker (in other words, they have no one else who can take his minutes). Carter Yaremchuk might make the team, but he’s a long way from being able to play the tough minutes that Zub does.
Never going to happen, no matter how far out of it the Sens are the deadline.
New Jersey is an interesting team to monitor – their RHD depth chart:
Dougie Hamilton 9 million x 4 years with a full NMC this season, and modified 10 team NMC after (aka – not going anywhere)
Brett Pesce 5.5 million x 6 years with NTC (also not going anywhere)
Simon Nemec – 2nd overall pick in 2022; two years left on his ELC … after signing Pesce, he’s been pushed down to the 3rd pairing, after player almost 20 mins/game last year as a rookie …. not going anywhere right now, but how long will it be until his agent starts making noise if he’s only getting 3rd pairing minutes? (note: their LD is just as deep with Siegenthaler, Luke Hughes and Brendan Dillon)
Johnathan Kovacevic – 27 year old, 6’5″ 223 lbs has played 2 seasons for Montreal, UFA in the summer
Seamus Casey – 20 year old, 2nd round pick, 5’9″ has reportedly had a very good camp and will likely make the game 1 roster in Prague due to injuries to some of their regular D-men.
If Nemec became available, I’d be willing to move a first or even Savoie for him.
Will Borgen
Glad to see more people onboard the Borgen Train! 🙂
Choo! Choooo! All aboard(gen)!
I wonder if maybe Ty Emberson is the answer at 3RD……….
Agree with your take LT. I like Des as well (who doesn’t) but he’s a 6/7 d-man that is now being paid like a 4/5. Our top pair is golden and I’m pretty darn sure that Emberson/Kulak would be great as a 3rd pair. Emberson can replace Ceci at 30% of the cap and Stetcher is fine as a #7.
Nurse is very good when healthy – problem is – he hasn’t been for a long time. If he’s 100% then “all” you need is the unicorn 2RD and the defense goes from suspect to excellent PDQ. It’s the only missing piece long with some grit as you point out. But getting Kane back for the playoffs, a bigger 2RD, and a guy like Kostin for the 4th line fixes all that. It’s all about the 2RD. Any other gaps are pretty easy to fill.
Agree that Philp has made the team unless the wheels fall off in the last 2 preseason games.
The 2016 training camp RW had Ebs (#22), Kas (#13), Jesse (#4) and Yak (#1). Four mid to high first round picks, with only Ebs having a stellar career (702 pts in 1018 gms). Drafting a player is easy (you just go up and say the name) – getting it right is very, very hard.
Oilers need to draft well (and quit losing young players) to sustain the current level of success. The trade and subsequent pick of Sam O’Reilly may be a win.
I like Des the person. Great story. But he got rolled once the comp increased in the playoffs. He was also heavily sheltered.
It would be great if the third pairing could eat some important minutes. I think Kulak + Stretcher could do it.
As long as Troy is not on a stretcher he should be ok at 3RD!
That’s how I see it. Ceci the same, great guy, but he also got rolled in playoffs. Of course Nurse also struggling and then getting hurt or more hurt exacerbated it
Brown is probably an issue, but I remain hopeful the overall abilities of the D group has improved, even if not perfect