Wichita Lineman

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Tarkus

Prospectigan!

Nine is not the loneliest number that you’ll ever do, but it is the number of NAmateurs with work to do.

Berry continues to search for the elusive crooked number, said search made more difficult by Muskegon’s popgun offense (15 GF in 7 GP, only two teams in 16-team USHL with lower GF/G).

Mazura is off to a fine start with 4 points in 4 GP, and is listed as St. Lawrence’s 1C.

While Copponi (BU’s 2C) has yet to find the scoresheet, Lachance (1LW) has no such problem with 1+3 in two GP.

Fischer has apples in both GP thus far.

The London and Flint duos round out the sched (assuming Clattenburg returns tonight).

Flint (Day, Clattenburg) @ 5 p.m.
London (O’Reilly, Nicholl @ 5 p.m.
Boston University (Lachance, Copponi) @ 5 p.m.
Notre Dame (Fischer) @ 5 p.m.
St. Lawrence (Mazura) @ 5 p.m.
Muskegon (Berry) @ 5 p.m.

All times are the same time and are also Hoosier time.

90s fan

I really enjoy LTs writing, AND enjoy the conversations around the stats. I love hearing what JP has to say, and Scungys challenging of all things provokes thought. Tarkus’ puns and updates (its probably not actually your picture, but in my mind it is). Sides humour and sarcastic bite. And more.

I love the different things everone contributes in this blog. I mostly come to eavesdrop on the conversation than anything.

SVR

Now that we have some hindsight and a small sample size, who besides godot would have signed Broberg to a 3 million x 2 year contract, and taken a pass on Arvidsson?

OriginalPouzar

There are people who think Darnell Nurse can’t play at all. I disagree. I subscribe to what Puck IQ’s math says about him: Nurse has been in and around average for his career, and enjoyed a strong run in 2021-22 and 2022-23. He struggled last year and we’ll see about this one. Average against elites is good, not $9 million good but that contract came about due to Oilers management (twice) kicking the ball down the road.

I was saying for most of the off-season that one of the main keys to this team winning the Stanley Cup is Darnell Nurse reverting back to his historical norms and prior established level of play.

Of course, there is no argument in favor of him being value for his $9.25MM – sure, maybe, if he could replicated the 2021 56-game season as his norm but that’s not a reasonable projection.

At the same time, Nurse has a LONG history of being much better than he’s been over the last couple of season. Its interesting and notable that his game seems to have fallen off around the time he got some help on the left side with the Ekholm acquisition.

Prior thereto, Nurse was the locked 1D in this team for years. He did share that with Klef for a while but, since Klef went away, Nurse was THE MAN and played some of the toughest minutes in the league and did well, even without McDavid on the ice.

One would think that he could be a huge anchor to a strong second pairing given his history as the anchor of a first paring.

The last two games have been strong for Nurse. Yes, he will make mistakes – sure, maybe he needed to move the puck quicker and not get it slashed off his stick leading to a goal against. Many will remember that one play and refuse to acknowledge the15-20 positive plays he made through the game.

The Nurse we saw over the last two games is a solid $7.5MM d-man and that player can help this team win Stanley as the 2LD.

DevilsLettuce

Stats are best represented in blue and red bubbles, I miss the bubbles.

Lewis Grant

a bunch of people running around with their own version of the Bible.

Speaking of which, where’s rickibear lately? I need to know whether Eric Gryba or Mark Fayne was the most underrated Oiler of all time.

Who knows, maybe Josh Brown is epic at blocking the box.

finn_fann

I don’t know Mr The Bear but I often enjoyed the chaos his strong opinions would create in the comments. Unfortunately, I believe he passed away due to cancer a few years ago. That said, glad to see the concept of the Ricki box lives on.

Unfortunately, I doubt Josh Brown scores well by that metric either.

OriginalPouzar

Edmonton has another Brodziak in Noah Philp. He’ll be older when he arrives in the NHL and may not have as long a career, but he’ll fill a similar role and is giving the right vibes for a player of his type. The kicker on this story? The veterans are keeping him off the roster with their fine play. Nothing like competition for a roster spot.

Looking forward to watching Philp play a couple of game this weekend. He was very good in his first game of the year a week ago.

Derek Ryan has been OK but he’s had a tough go on the PK and there is every chance that Philp could/will make the team better over Ryan. Of course, that’s not happening now but, while Ryan is playing OK, he’s not quite making the positive impact that Corey Perry is – what a start to his season!

cowboy bill

Podz has been good. But I think Philp would have a more positive affect on the team, being an RHC. I would suggest send Podkolzin down and bring Philp up.

Leon- McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Henrique-Brown
Nuge-Philp-Arvidsson
Janmark-Ryan-Perry

Bar_Qu

Personally, while I am amazed at the math on here and have been for 20 years, I generally skip over the minutiae to the precis to understand what the point was. I am much more a narrative man, so I appreciate the stories, the links between player, team and place, and frankly I would not read this blog any longer if that were missing. It’s the human connection that has me here everyday for the last 2 decades.

Bar_Qu

Building off W’s comment below, I think the Oilers should cut down on the PP1s playing time right now, considering how little success they are having, as well as considering the 2nd PP has scored twice already (not officially, but close enough). Since the top unit is together at evens anyway, why not limit the time they are playing on the PP, and give the secondary guys the opportunity to foil the preparation the other team has made to counter the PP1 only?
I think there is enough in the PP ability of Arvidsson, Skinner, Perry, Nurse and Ekholm to justify time invested.

jvdiaz13

Never change what you are doing LT! You and Stauffer have been my daily Oilers news for the past 20+ years. You both to Oil Country are like my two fav Hip songs, “Long Time Running” and “Ahead by a Century”! Keep on rocking LT!!!

teddyturnbuckle

Oilers looked good last night. I thought the new additions played well. The Oilers will need that depth when guys like Nuge are quiet. I am concerned about the defence but let’s see how this new group plays out. Nurse played better last night after some concerning play last game where he was dumping the puck into his partner’s corner for a 50/50 battle, yikes. Pickard looked great last night.

cowboy bill

Their defensive play seems to be coming around.
Which leads to more offense.

Last edited 42 minutes ago by cowboy bill
cowboy bill

And… Better goaltending.

Rogue

We should all leave perfection to God. That being said, The Wichita Lineman is as close to that in its simplicity and complexity that you may find in music, imho.

jimdewger

Great framing of the discussion of numbers. In my day job, I get to teach high school math and have observed that rarely is the issue just about calculations but is just as much about how we frame numbers and interpret data- skills that are hard to teach and take patience to think through. We appreciate the work you do with the data that you have, LT!

Jethro Tull

Never change LT. We have the very scary thing called ‘Freedom’. The freedom to not read this blog. The freedom to start your own. The freedom to do most things.

Seriously people, if you have axes to grind, find somewhere else.

hunter1909

Dear Lowetide:

Thoroughly fed up at the climax of last season’s playoffs, have not watched anything at all until the final 3 and a half minutes of last night’s game.

From what this luddite, non-math(because I’m seeking other things sees) – the Oilers look fantastic.

Perhaps they’re not ready for the playoffs – in October.

But from what I saw, they’re playing top level hockey. The kind the other team needs to play their best against.

No one knows what next year’s playoffs will bring, but one thing is 100% clear to me – this team kicks like no Oilers team since the Pronger playoff team except it’s probably far more skilled. With skill being a valuable commodity in sports.

See y’all in 2025.

Brantford Boy

Funny… and speaking of stats, the Oilers were only credited with two hits after the second period. Clearly not what I saw on the ice.

Pretendergast

LT the blog is acting up today. It should say Mathtide – Stats Talk on the Ole Ron Fisher.

I’m 100% taking the piss.

Rafa Nadal

Couldn’t watch the game last night but it seems like the big boys are still stuck in the mud. Fair?

jimmyneutron

Top line looked much better last night. Connor was flying at times and they had a dominant shift which culminated with the 3 2 goal. Nice but of pushback at a pivotal moment.

DevilsLettuce

Draisaitl was playing great, often the 1st forward back, carrying the puck, making passes no one should be blessed to make. Was nice to see the top line factor in positively and not take any dumb penalties.

Brantford Boy

LT, I’ve said it before, and will say it again… I have learned so much here over the years. I remember being terrified by the comments sections some decade plus ago. Just so much I was clearly never going to understand. Now, I can understand your numbers, and I find myself scanning them to see if they match the eye test. Often they do and there’s some days I just can’t see what the numbers say. That’s about as far as I will take it, and yes, I come for the story, every damn day.

Lastly, I think Pickard should make the ‘P’ a little larger on his mask.

ScruffinGru

so much rambling. Where are the stats from yesterdays game?

31saves

Well aren’t you rude.

Knock yourself out: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20242025&game=20069

90s fan

Just scroll down, read what you want.

If you’ve invited yourself in for dinner, don’t complain about the hosts cooking. (Actually even if you were invited – still don’t complain!)

flea

I’d be interested to see the zone time stats they throw out sometimes on the SN broadcasts over longer samples. I think this is what Corsi originally was trying to explain but just didn’t have the data.

With zone time stats you could start to look at things like GF/GA or SF/SA per minute of zone time.

While I’m wishing for new stats I’d also like to see possession change stats (which would be baked into zone time). How often do players turn pucks over or win 50/50 pucks? Maybe the NHL teams are already looking at this stuff.

Pretendergast

NHL.com has released player tracking for goals, which would imply they have player tracking for the whole game monitoring player movement.

The data is scrapeable. There is another renaissance on the horizon once hockey-mad coders start parsing out the movements into game states and areas of interest.

jp

The NHL.com has team data now, including zone time.
(https://edge.nhl.com/en/team/20232024-regular-EDM)

The Oilers were 93rd percentile (I guess 3rd in the league) in even strength Ozone time last season.

That matches quite nicely with their 3rd place ranking in even strength CF%.

Someone with more time than I could run a correlation of the two numbers across the league to see how well the match (surely not quite as well as the above suggests).

Oddspell

For those who are searching for higher ground, I applaud you. However, hockey analytics, at least the publicly available analytics, are the basics (this is what I use) and a bunch of people running around with their own version of the Bible. We’re in Tower of Babel territory, and I’m just going to go with Puck IQ and Natural Stat Trick.

This made me chuckle because it perfectly captures how I’ve felt about the fancy stats world over the last half decade or so.

LT, quite a bit is written in admiration of your prose but after a decade of reading, what keeps catching me off-guard is your habit of giving voice to one of my gut feelings – and doing so with concision and wit!

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Fuge Udvar

I feel like I ruffled some feathers yesterday so here is my put up or shut up. I apologise for my tone yesterday. Unfortunately I had to go to bed because I worked early so I couldn’t continue the discussion.

As an example I am using Ty Embersons expected goal percentage for this year.

My issue with small sample size:

Emberson has suited up for 4 games this year with the following xGF%:
43.8
89.2
15.5
67.8

Sample size: 4
Mean average: 54.1
Standard deviation: 27.46
95% confidence interval: 54.075 +/- 26.91

So from a statistics standpoint, next game 19 out of 20 times we can expect his xGF% to be between 27.2 and 81.0. Which doesn’t really tell us anything. Statistically he is expected to either play great or terrible.

95 percent confidence intervals is probably to accurate for hockey so let’s use a 50 percent confidence interval to tighten that range up.

50 percent confidence interval: 54.075 +/- 9.26

So it is a coin flip if his xGF% is going to be between 44.8 and 63.3 percent or outside that range from a statistical point of view.

The only conclusion I can draw from these numbers is that he might have a good game or he might have a bad game. But you don’t need stats to tell you that.

His corsi percentage is a bit tighter so that will give us some better results:

CF%
51.4
86.8
40.0
46.9

Sample size: 4
Standard deviation: 18.09
CF% average: 56.275
95% confidence interval: 38.6-74.0 CF%
50% confidence interval: 50.18-62.37 CF%

So there is a 50 percent chance he has a good game and a 50 percent chance he has a poor game or a freaking incredible game.

This is what I mean when I say small sample size statistics are meaningless. They have no predictive power and more often than not will mislead you.

geowal

First off, excellent summary of the first batch of numbers.

To me, it’s all about how you frame these statistics. I look at the numbers you posted and I don’t conclude they are meaningless, or try to predict anything. It simply tells you the player has been inconsistent, and shown no hint of that ending. Which is perfectly reasonable for a 30 NHL game player.
Statistics don’t HAVE to be predictive, in hockey, they can help you just process what you just saw. But if you threw numbers up for some other players (Ekholm?) i’d be surprised if they weren’t both tighter and displaying a trend (improvement?). So you could infer (a step down from prediction) that he is going in the right direction. Not much, but it’s something.
It seems from the discussion yesterday you are hung up on, and assuming other posters/blog author are using statistics solely for, prediction. But that is only part of the eventual utility.

Fuge Udvar

Statistics don’t HAVE to be predictive

I think i disagree with this. Generally the stats we value are based on predictive of wins. Shots, Corsi, Fenwick, Expected Goals, Dangerous Fenwick. I feel they are framed in a hypothetical future where the game is played again. That’s why when they lose bit have a 70%xGF, I feel better about it because in a hypothetical future where the game is played again they are likely to win.

And at the end of the day the only statistics that matters in hockey is how many wins you get.

Last edited 33 minutes ago by Fuge Udvar
delooper

And for all that, people still tune into the news when the early returns on exit polls get reported.

kinger_OIL

— It’s of course understandable that statistics isn’t widely understood and or used incorrectly

— Fuges breakdown is traditional text book stats. We never see CI or stnd deviation or R-squares of “hockey analytics” This is a challenge for those who have used stats in school or work.

— So yeah it is “frustrating” for those that have an education or have learned stats or use it in their work (I’m a finance guy: this is how we use stats) when missaplied “stats” are used as narratives and not understood

— I thought yesterday’s discussion was interesting, and I don’t believe anyone was trying to call anyone out or make fun of them or being “critical”

— It is a great blog and as long as people stay in their lane or recognize their strengths and weaknesses (or play a heel to antagonize!) it’s a great spot to hear opinions on the Oil and other cool stuff music food jokes etc.

— It’s just hockey: owned by a billionaire, played by millionaires, broadcasted by the wealthiest corporations all for profit. Fans pay a lot to see and engage in this sport

— Lowetide is “free”. And it’s awesome for all us Oiler engaged folks.

PAYPALS anyone as a reminder…

Last edited 1 hour ago by kinger_OIL
cowboy bill

You put a lot of effort into meaningless stats. I bet you’re fun at parties.

Last edited 1 hour ago by cowboy bill
leadfarmer

Im still pissed about Blues poaching Broberg.

W

I’m pissed at Skinny and Arvi sitting on the bench during power plays.
I don’t that is the way to build team unity.

Last edited 2 hours ago by W
Rafa Nadal

40 games from now this is going to be an even bigger issue. Kid is taking off in St. Louis…

cowboy bill

He tends to get broken easy. So, we’ll see.

geowal

I said at the time, acknowledging it was hyperbole, that it felt like the Oilers window shrunk from 10 years to 2 years with those offer sheets. I feel like the perpetually signing UFA model can only sustain so long. Hope I’m wrong.

LMHF#1

On the contrary – it means that not only can your window be wider – rebuilds are wholly unnecessary if you know what you’re doing.

The problem is a combination that many don’t know what they’re doing, and they actually like the lack of pressure and urgency that comes from a rebuild. It allows the less competent to hide behind a process and keep jobs they shouldn’t have.

kinger_OIL

— The “window” is prime McDrai…

— Crosby Malkin have aged out of their window. One day that’s us…That’s how it works in professional team sport. Always.

Lewis Grant

Tampa kept it going remarkably well with little to no internal development.

They even kinda pioneered a new model with how they acquired Blake Coleman and Brandon Hagel. Didn’t work quite as well with Tanner Jeannot, though…

DevilsLettuce

No one cares about Peter Broganp

cowboy bill

I’m pissed at Stecher’s cyst.

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