Landslide

by Lowetide
  • On the road to: CAL (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: NJD, VEG (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-2-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: NYI, NAS (Expected 2-0-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: TOR, MTL, OTT (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • At home to: MIN, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: UTA, COL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-0, 16 points in 13 games
  • November results: 5-3-1, 11 points in 9 games
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 10-8-2, 22 points in 20 games

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OriginalPouzar

6.74% – 5 on 5 shooting percentage – 3rd lowest in the league.

8.32% – overall shooting percentage – 2nd lowest in the league.

Last year they were 8.81% (15th in the league) and 10.56% (10th in the league).

cowboy bill

I don’t see a landslide. However, we most likely see some younger legs with added speed. It’s already happening with the waiver claim Kasperi Kapanen.

cowboy bill

Absolutely they could use another younger Ekholm type for Nurse. They already may have that in Kulak, therefore adding another LHD for the 3rd pair is much more palatable. But there’s no way Bouchard is on the trade block, for he would be impossible to replace. And there is no doubt in my mind that Stu Skinner is a very good backup goaltender that needs to be used in that role. It’s just making the money work, as usual patience is key.

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Eh Team

The first Ekholm didn’t cost a Bouchard though. In fact, it cost hardly anything at all. We need a second Ekholm to add to Bouchard, Nurse, and Ekholm.

But yeah, I share your concern about Bowman. If we do something like Hall for Larsson again that’s the height of stupidity.

Scungilli Slushy

To me the question is can they afford Bouch? It seems they can because the cap is going up more than expected

The best approach is either trade Bouch for Dobson, can’t see that happening, or find/develop two RD that can pair with Nurse or Ek and defend well. Use Bouch when you need his thing, fade him when you need better defense

You can’t replace that type of talent without a highly balanced very good top 4 D, and that is hard to build outside of the draft. Also, they need his youth as Ek ages out

To me Bowman gets how this team is. His Hawks were similar in a lot of ways, and they had a pretty wide mix of player types. The D weren’t always just big for example. They had shut down, lighter more skill types, a psycho 5’10 D. Bruiser forwards, two way guys, high skill forwards. Not always (or ever) a league top goalie either

OriginalPouzar

With Brown being sent down, that means at least one of Arvidsson and Hyman (or I guess Nurse) is playing tomorrow.

OriginalPouzar

Brown re-assigned to AHL.

They are back out of operating in LTIR and accruing.

Not much though as they are carrying 13 forwards.

Once (if) they get healthy, they’ll likely send a forward down (waive Kapanen or Ryan).

winchester

I thought Brown played well.

Admiral Ackbar

We have so many funny camps in Oiler fandom:

  • Those who are unhappy unless the boys regularly win 6-1
  • Those who can’t get over how a player’s current stat line doesn’t equate to the dollars they’re earning.
  • Those who happily ignore management gaffes and keep saying, “stay the course…”
  • Those who take small sample sizes and make sweeping conclusions with absolute certainty and then suggest that the remedy is some sort of trade that the other side wouldn’t agree to in a million years.

Man I love this team and our fans. Whenever I need to step off the ledge, I watch pre-game5 and 6 HNIC SCF opening montages. Those are some of the most brilliant ones I’ve seen (but of course I’m biased). We watched our team come back from 3-love to force a game 7 and then lost by a goal. That’s as close as it gets. Last year was a success by any reasonable metric. If any of us require this team to win 4-0 in the SCF at 6-0 every game, I have news for you: the other teams don’t want to allow that just as badly as we want it. Sometimes you have to credit your adversary with what it took to win. Everyone is hyped to play the Oilers this year. They’re a measuring stick. How many records were broken last year? It’s going to be a harder regular season.

I still hate Tkachuk.

LMHF#1

Is Logan Thompson the surprise clubhouse leader for Team Canada goalie at this point?

Seems to be rolling along for the Caps while others are faltering big time.

godot10

My position was that Broberg derisked Bouchard’s fat left tail, and would seemlessly replace Ekholm in the medium term. I thought, Nurse, Broberg, Bouchard for the next decade…I would have been a happy camper. I wasn’t so concerned about Bouchard’s AAV and duration anymore. The odds of good Evan trumping bad Evan would shift strongly in the Oilers favor.

Jackson and Bowman effed that up.

dustrock

Agreed.

leadfarmer

That’s the offseason loss that hurt the most. I like Holloway but probably tops out as a 3rd line winger due to finishing issues.
the forward losses individually weren’t huge, just collectively that was a lot of speed between Holloway McLeod Foggy.
But Broberg may very well become a #2 D

Traveller

Hopefully Hyman is alright. Didn’t see yesterday’s hit, but the picture of Xhekaj leaping up and into Hyman in the Canadiens game, shown at the top of this linked article tells you everything you need to know about what the NHL and the NHLpa think about head shots. That is text book charging in the NHL rule book.

The brain trust who run the NHL, if they believe Xhekaj is only airborne because of contact with Hyman, have no clue about physics or body mechanics (or just want to ignore it).

I fail to understand why the NHLPA cares more about what happens to the player who is up for suspension than they do about the one got their head smashed.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/nhl/news-arber-xhekaj-s-massive-open-ice-hit-zach-hyman-divides-nhl-fans-definition-interference-okay-beautiful-hit

dustrock

“brain trust” is doing a lot of heavy lifting

flea

Take this for what it’s worth and it’s hardly news, but I was in Ottawa last night on business, and talked to a fan checking out of the same hotel today. He claimed to be Hyman’s cousin, said he was at the game
last night and Hyman has a concussion.

dustrock

Bouchard is the king of LT’s aphorism that big moments cloud the mind.

Does he make major gaffes? Sure as shit he does.

I haven’t checked this year (too soon), but last year I believe Bouchard was our best d-man at DZ prevention, standing up the opponent at the blueline, and DZ exit under control.

Which are all things that makes a good defenceman. I don’t like this narrative that Bouchard “sucks” at defence and his only value is in the OZ.

I’m not on twitter anymore but I’m sure some of the stats wizards out there can show us some numbers.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I don’t have time to pull the numbers, IIRC, over the last three years nearly every Oilers performs better with Bouchard on the ice.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I do not think people realize how dominant Bouchard is at driving play 5v5. I actually think his PP is the area he could improve the most.

DexandRuby

I keep hearing from media that fans want to trade Bouch but I’ve still never seen any fan actually say it.

dangilitis

Blowing up a team, or creating a landslide, would undoubtedly be a mistake.

This team resembles NJD last season, the goaltending was holding them back but in our case seems to be slowly turning, with the improved PK percentage over past 5 games as an example. Regression too, as you pointed out. I refuse to believe a competent adult GM will not see these things, but it’s fair that we have seen many incompetent ones over the years and perhaps the PTSD to show for it

OriginalPouzar

Darnell Nurse has a GA/60 of 1.91 this season.

I know he’s struggled on the PK this season but at 5 on 5, as far as preventing goals again, he’s had a good season and the vitriol and criticism regarding his defensive play seems quite over-stated.

The GA/60 is better than the likes of Fox, Tanev, MacAvoy, Dobson, Oleksia, DeMelo, Harley, Mayfield, Schenn, Q. Hughes, etc.

I know that GA/60 is not the be all and end all, its not an individual stat and lacks much context (Nurse is apx 32% TOI vs. elites) but Nurse is playing strong 2nd pairing minutes this season.

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GordieHoweHatTrick

Very happy that Podz put some points up last night (hard not to when you are flying with the Glimmer Twins). I think he has been the most consistently hard working forward this year. You could see it coming. He causes turnovers from a determined forecheck and board battles, and he is strong backchecking and in his own end. He is physical and tough. He has not cashed as much as one would like and I am not sure how long he will get these opportunities but this is how a player can compliment other line mates. Good!

Emberson is playing okay. I think his biggest area for improvement is 1-1 battles in his corner and boards. He seems to lose most of those. If he can sort that out he will be a solid 3RD with some opportunities to move up when needed.

I am not liking the apparent efforts from Hyman. He seems very tentative and is not pressuring in his own end. Too passive. I think he should play down the lines for a few games to motivate more effort.

dangilitis

I think he is injured

Side

Are Lavoie and his agent still overjoyed that Raphael is putting up the worst totals of his career on the Silver Knights while Edmonton has some banged up forwards and are making waiver claims?

Spartacus

You’re blaming Lavoie for getting claimed?

Or his agent?

Did Lavoie say he was happy to get plucked off the waiver wire only to get dumped into the AHL again?

I must’ve missed that.

YYCOil

This is the third coach that has consistently gone to;

McDavid and Leon on one line,
The same five guys getting all the PP,
McDavid and Leon first shift after the PK,
McDavid and Leon getting the Empty net time.

This time allocation helps McDavid and Leon pile up incredible stats, but it comes at a cost to the other 10 forwards.

Spartacus

Agreed.

4 of 5 minutes on a 5-minute major… getting nothing done but taking a 4 minute shift?

Too bad there isn’t a PP2 unit on the team.

OriginalPouzar

I know that many (most) think that loading up McDavid and Drai is not the way forward (except situationally during games).

I don’t disagree and am generally of a similar mindset.

At the same time, I do think that the full time load up can make sense for a game here or there. Last night seemed to be one of those time. The team had a couple tough games and a shake up made sense and the Sens don’t have a shutdown forward line nor pairing that would really be able to handle the duo.

Last night they were set up to succeed together.

What I’m not sure we’ve ever seen is a coach break up the duo coming off a dominant performance by then but I think this is the time for it heading in to matchups against two elite and deep teams.

Hyman’s status factors in I’m sure (and Arvidsson) but I hope to see Connor and Leon center separate lines tomorrow. I don’t think I’ll see it.

Lucid Oil

As someone who has followed this team for over 50 years, I would love to see a consistent and repeatable game from the Oilers. We seem to be stuck in a “1 years experience, 5 times” world. Having said that, I think that trading Bouchard would be a very risky move.

Spartacus

You see their repeatable game over and over.

Play well, get the lead, sit back and enjoy the lead, make enough mistakes to lose the game.

That’s the recipe.

Elgin R

The ‘Rocket’ is one trophy that Leon has not won. He is well positioned this year to do it. Leon has 14 so far, with only the injured Ovi ahead of him. He is on pace for 57 with a long track record of being near the top of the NHL scoring race.

  • Matthews and Ovi are hurt with no date for their return to play
  • Pasta is on a team on the way down and only has 8 goals so far
  • MacKinnon had his big goal scoring year last season – with only 7 so far this year
  • Krill has 13 and finished 8th with 46 last year so is legit in the conversation

Predictions:

  1. Leon wins the Rocket
  2. Connor wins the rest (Hart, Lindsay, Ross and Smythe)
  3. Oilers win the Stanley
Harpers Hair

Sam Reinhart may have something to say about this.

And, as Colorado gets its injured players back, Rantanen might too.

Harpers Hair

I also wouldn’t sleep on Martin Necas…he’s been on fire after being moved up the lineup.

He’s sitting at 11 goals but has 3 games in hand and has scored 4 goals in his last 5 games.

Elgin R

Career wise, I believe you are referring to Martin ‘.285 goals / game’ Necas? I’ll take Leon at .488 g / game thank you very much.

Harpers Hair

For much of his career in Carolina Necas was buried on the third line which is why he demanded a trade in the offseason.

He is now playing the third most forward minutes and is on PP1 and crushing it.

He is second in the league in PP points, 1 behind MacKinnon but has 2 games in hand with games against Philadelphia and Columbus up next.

OriginalPouzar

Draisaitl, one of the best PP goals scores in NHL history, has barely scored on the PP – I wonder which player is likely to improve their rate of goal scoring on the PP in the last 3/4 of the season?

dangilitis

$100 says Draisaitl finishes with more goals than Necas

LMHF#1

Watched some Kapanen highlight packs.

I like that he shoots forehand and high.

Scores a lot from the same places as Hyman.

At least 1 SH goal in there.

Could be interesting on this squad as you’re going to get chances playing with the forward group. He also looks very calm with the puck.

godot10

Kapanen is an enigma. High implied upside volatility, but a career of low realized vol and high realized downside volatility.

The high implied upside has never been realized so far.

If Kapanen was a stock, the only way to make money on him so far is selling calls. Bowman bought a 6 month call option on Kapanen basically for free. It was basically free because the high implied upside has never been realized so far.

i.e. At this point, Kapanen is a living breathing example of a lottery ticket you picked up off the street.

Eh Team

Kapanen has to realize that this is his last and best opportunity to succeed. Hopefully that drives the results.

Elgin R

Last Chance Texaco may be in the cards for him and Podz.

godot10

Kapanen is a 1st round draft pick on his 4th team (including three good teams). Podkolzin is a 1st round draft pick on his 2nd team. He has shown better defensive reliability than Kapanen ever has. Worst case scenario for him is a Janmark type of career. Kapanen has offensive skill that teases but has never delivered so far. Podkolzin just doesn’t have particularly good hands. The consistent work effort is there, unlike with Kapanen.

barry.moore23

“i.e. At this point, Kapanen is a living breathing example of a lottery ticket you picked up off the street.”

This sir, is gold.

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godot10

1% chance it is gold. 99%, it is tin and yellow paint.

It was a worthwhile zero cost speculation.

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Sierra

I like this post!

Traveller

Kapanen was drafted 22nd overall in 2014. He is 24th overall in scoring for 2014 picks and 28th in ppg. Pretty close to what you’d expect given his draft number even with a bad last season and a half. He was very much on target offensively with the Leafs and Pens for periods of time and when he first got to St Louis.

Maybe he re discovers his offensive mojo with another chance here. Hard to assess his defense without watching him just looking at on ice data as a winger but he always seemed to start well with each team then get faded as time went on.

LMHF#1

Most Oilers observers don’t see the value in the way the 80s Oilers would have played the 3rd period last night.

This team took their foot off the gas, generally handled business, and got out of dodge.

The 80s Oilers would have kept pushing and scored the 9 or 10 that were there for the taking.

Record chasing has a value – it pushes you to do things you thought you weren’t capable of and keeps everyone on their toes. Between those games and the most competitive practices anywhere, regulars became stars, and the team wins 4 Cups in 5 years.

It also means in games where you get behind, you always believe you can catch up and win. You can stay relaxed and just execute that way. You’ve been there so many times before.

This team gets down and flatlines until the last 2 minutes. That doesn’t win championships.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

I’ve said it for years, EDM lacks a killer instinct.

Lucid Oil

The 80s Oilers would have also given up 4 or 5 goals in the third….

LMHF#1

And not cared at all – because it doesn’t matter.

Victoria Oil

Hey, I’m the OG Victoria Oil. Did you copy my handle? 😀

Lucid Oil

Oops didn’t realize it was taken. I can change it up

Victoria Oil

Thanks mate. I think the problem arose because my login name is Westchester Oil, which I kept when I changed my Lowetide handle to Victoria Oil when I moved back to Canada. Although, I guess I could have changed it to Oak Bay Oil or Cadboro Bay Oil (as of two months ago) but not many people would know what I’m talking about.

Pretendergast

The team went through worse last year, kept the powder dry, canned a coach and turned the ship around.

This year is significantly better and now we’re trading Bouch again?

Ride it out, the team has good underlyings with goalie and coverage inconsistency in November.

They’ll figure it out until the deadline add and will peak at the right time. They’ve done it before, always the hard way because Oilers.

Spartacus

You’re the only one talking about trading Bouchard, LT.

Jethro Tull

We lose any trade involving Bouchard. I’ve watched some of the “gaffs”. Yes a couple of them were bad, bad more are the other team pressuring him and his partner or center not recognizing he needs support. The other team is waiting for it.

But seriously, what’s a decent return for Bouchard and Skinner. Who is out there? It’ll amount to a mini rebuild, with the others that have left. Would have been better to lose the prospects to protect Broberg and Holloway.

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Bouch is a top-15 dman in the league. You have to live with the some sloppy zone play/turnovers because the guy always has the puck.

Folks were not clamouring to trade/bench Brady after he would throw a pick. Certainty not after a deep playoff run.

Bouchard drives play at 5v5 as much as CMD.

OriginalPouzar

100% agree except he’s closer to a top 5 d-man when he’s at the top of his game, in my opinion.

Reja

Any news on Hyman? I give kudos to Brown that bout had more action than the entire Tyson fight. What’s our record when we engage in a scrap?

Reach Advantage

6-0 apparently!

I noticed in his previous fight (when he totally tuned the guy) that his head was up and where he grabbed the guys shirt didn’t allow him to sufficiently eliminate the overhand right. Then last night he did the same. He throws bombs but i think he’s going to get rocked with and overhand right. Macewan was trying. If I saw that all the other fighters did too, you can guarantee that.

Macewan was the guy who put a sharp decline slope on Kassian’s career (anticipating a snide comment about Kassian).

Browns last AHL fight – the one in which he tuned the guy – I think the OTHER guy got an instigator.

I was at one of the Condors games in Calgary. 6’8” Adam Klapka hit someone from behind and later stapled someone into the boards from behind. Brown immediately dropped the gloves and fed him like 8 upper cuts. Klapka never dropped his gloves. Held them in front of his face. You could say he turtled.
We couldn’t believe it when Brown didn’t get an instigator.

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Reach Advantage

Btw if I was GM and I had any decent prospects in the AHL I would always have a protectorate down there. One good at his job. I find there are more cheap shots down there than in the NHL and many don’t get supplemental discipline.

Klapka 2 hits from behind. Would there have been a third if Brown provide give him with a reason not to? I don’t know but what I do know is there wasn’t a third.

You wouldn’t be lying if you said Kale Kessy ruined Cooper Marody’s career.

A few years ago Carrick, while with the Gulls, cross checked one of our prospects head into the post. I forget who it was.

Just to name a few

OriginalPouzar

I believe that was Marody and he was never the same again.

OriginalPouzar

I like Ty Emberson’s game very much, hope the team finds a way to play him enough to change his status from UFA to RFA but we should be aware that he plays a game that might land him on the injured list.

I saw him good as well tonight but he got absolutely shredded by the numbers, to a tune of less than 20% expected goals. I wonder if 3rd periods score effects were prominent there?

The potential Group 6 UFA if he doesn’t get to 50 games this season is a talking point but I think management will try and get him re-signed in-season. Even if it does happen after the season, I suspect the player would want to stay given the opportunity provided and continuing opportunity going forward.

I also worry about injury – I said last night, loving his physical game but wish he had another 15 pounds on him.

Fingers’ crossed.

OriginalPouzar

Good added context – thank you.

Sierra

Thanks for that, LT, as I was going to make the same comment as OP.

OriginalPouzar

There were so many exceptional moments, but Evan Bouchard’s opening goal will be remembered a long time. He followed it up with defensive mistakes, but as is always the case if the goal doesn’t go in the Edmonton net those things are glossed over in the mind’s eye.

I agree with all of this.

Here is one of the things on Bouch – of course, we hear alot about the goal but it often comes with a “but he almost gave that back by getting walked” (or similar).

That is absolutely fair enough.

What I think is missing is all the good to great stuff Bouch did in between.

I mean, he finished the night 4-0 in goals (3-0 at 5 on 5), he was 60%-65% across the possession metrics with an expected goals of 61%.

Bouch was MUCH more than a beautiful goal that he almost gave back if Skinner didn’t bail him out.

cowboy bill

Skinner just stopped the puck as he should. He doesn’t need to be spectacular he just needs to stop the puck.

Reja

When’s the last time a Oilers D went coast to coast not named Coffey who happens to be his Coach. That toe dangle is straight out of Bobby Orr playbook. It’s regular season I can guarantee Coffey is telling Bouchard to ignore the haters and to use his skill and offensive chops to create.

OilerParty

It would also help if the forwards wouldn’t fly the zone constantly. They are so used to Bouchard ripping beautiful passes to them that they forget he sometimes needs support. It happened that first shift after his beauty last night. They all flew the zone and Bouchard was under pressure from two forecheckers, so he attempted to use his patience with the puck(which can sometimes get him in trouble) and they poked it loose leading to a chance(that Skinner actually saved, which often hasn’t been the case this season).

Bouchard will ALWAYS make some mistakes because he’s willing to use his patience and vision to create. He creates way more offence than he gives up on defense by EVERY MEASURABLE Statistic. Sometime passes won’t connect and that’s just the game of hockey.

I did NOT like him stopping skating on the goal the other night and that’s the type of play that he needs to eliminate. Reading the play in regards to risk/reward situationally could use improvement too (whipping it up the middle in the 3rd period with a 2 goal lead against the leafs wasn’t ideal, but again Skinner could stop the puck once in a while)

Trading him would set the franchise back YEARS and everyone would be clamoring for a puck-mover that likely will never be as good at it as him.

slopitch

This team is rounding into form and will be fine once Nuge, Hyman, Skinner and Arvidsson improve a bit. The Oilers dont really need to swing for the fences. They have the 2 best players in the league (debatable 29 is 2). They need a Josh Manson and the analytics dept to find a Lehkonen type. Maybe a vet goalie. Last year they had to move a first to get Henrique. They shouldnt that this year since they will have the cap space.

OriginalPouzar

May have the cap space – the short term injuries create issues in that regard.

When McDavid was out they called players up and were operating in LTIR for a bit and not accruing.

Right now, with Brown up and Kapanen added, the are no longer accruing and are operating in LTIR.

Having guys banged up and out short term like McDavid, then Arvidsson, then Nurse and, now, potentially, Hyman, will reduce deadline cap space.

Reja

The only reason Bowman trades Bouchard is if he can’t afford him. As for Skinner I can’t see Bowman keeping him once his affordable contract ages out.

cowboy bill

I liked Podz with Connor & Leon. They may have stumbled on to something there.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Agree, but I continue to believe that playing Connor with Leon is a waste of talent. Two of the best centres in the league should each be playing centre. Our 2nd line needs to be producing, like it was with Leon @ centre.

Sierra

The rest of the players are not good enough to have McDavid and Drai on the same line.

OriginalPouzar

So much has “gone wrong” to this point in the season.

So many players underperforming historical norms and expectations (Bouchard, Nuge, Henrique, Skinner, Arvidsson, Hyman, Skinner (Stuart).

The PK being historically bad for 14 games. The power play being fully meh.

McDavid misses four games hurt. Nurse playing his best hockey since 2021 and he’s out for the last 2.5 games.

With all that, the team is 6-3-1 in its last 10 and 10-5-2 in its last 17, in a wild card spot and 2 points out of the division lead (more games played though).

They have a better record through 20 games than either of the last two seasons.

My point is really that, with so much having gone wrong, somehow the team is in a good spot. Not all individuals and areas will recover to historical norms but some will – this team is bound to be better in the last 60 games.

This team, if it gets firing close to on all cylinders looks to be a wagon – it has to be given their standing with so much having gone wrong.

Scungilli Slushy

Well put OP

They have enough if healthy as it is, given players settling in more, growth and regression. There is a bit too much chaos in the back end though, a bit small as well, ideal improvements aren’t always available though

cowboy bill

Exactly, no need for a landslide, but some rocks may fall. Nothing earth shattering.