Long ago and far away, the Edmonton Oilers had a General Manager who looked for other people’s problems. He’d buy the used/damaged talent at a low price, nurse them back to heath/scare them straight, and then let them loose with 250 at-bats to see how they could shine.
1979-80: D Pat Price, R Don Murdoch, C Jim Harrison, L Wayne Bianchin
1980-81: G Gary Edwards, D Tom Bladon
And on it went. Now, some of these guys were at the end of the line and some were mid-career with health issues (Bianchin health issues, Murdoch different health issues) but Price was a fine bet (who worked out for awhile, then fetched Pat Hughes, who was a good NHL player) and Sather was just trying to add useful players. Get good players, keep good players.
The Athletic article today examines Matthew Savoie and his 14-7 EV goal edge over the first 16 AHL games this season. There are other statistical oddities good and bad. Article is here.
OLD GLEN SATHER
They used to call them ‘utility forwards’ and they were the tenth and eleventh forwards who dressed for NHL teams. Back in the 1960’s and 1970’s, teams would have three forward lines and then two extra’s who would (mostly) penalty-kill or jump when for an injured mate. Glen Sather was a good one, although he bounced around the NHL during his career. Gritty, tough, undersized but a game rooster, “Slats” extended his career by being a smart man in a very tough world.
Sather would have watched 50 minutes a game (or so) as an active NHL player and I’d guess he used those minutes more wisely than any fringe NHL player in the game’s history. The wisdom he stored up helped the Edmonton Oilers to five Stanley Cup wins.
On a Thursday in September 1985 he traded one of my all-time favourite players (Gilles Meloche) before he even played a game for Edmonton. I remember being disappointed, and didn’t know jack diddly about the return (some guy named Marty McSorley) but damned if that guy didn’t end up being a stalwart (and ruffian) for the Oilers. Slats did it all the time, even in the 1990’s when things got tough.
Here’s a list of Glen Sather’s major trades from January 1993 through summer 1995. I think you’ll agree these deals had a major impact on the team’s makeup through the end of that decade.
Esa Tikkanen for Doug Weight
Dave Manson for Bo Mironov, Mats Lindgren and a first round pick.
Craig MacTavish for Todd Marchant.
1st rd picks in 1996 and 1997 for Curtis Joseph and Mike Grier.
Those trades had a major impact on the team’s future. Glen Sather made some mistakes (Miro Satan being an obvious one) but getting Weight and Joseph along with some important secondary players gave the young drafted Oilers a lot of sock when they came of age.
Stan Bowman must do the same. He doesn’t have gigantic pieces to trade, and it would be unwise to deal young Matthew Savoie since he could be a plug-and-play on a skill line in the coming months and years. I liked his trades for Vasily Podkolzin and Ty Emberson, the evidence is minute but things seem to be heading in an acceptable direction. The cost for these two was an aging NHL defender who was shy of Adam Larsson (the man he replaced) plus two draft picks (a second and a third). Oilers got a second and a third in the St. Louis Blues offer sheet, plus a prospect in defenseman Paul Fischer.
Now, the world Bowman works in is far different than the one Sather romped through 45 years ago. There are fewer Pakleds in charge of NHL teams. The song remains the same. Get good players, keep good players. What would a Sather deal in this era look like? Paul Fischer for David Jiricek. No pressure, Stan.
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Slats was basically the greatest GM I will ever cheer for. His only advantage was Gretz…he built EVERYTHING else. He wasn’t perfect…ahem, Miro Satan, and Ray Whitney is waving, but my heavens, he spun straw into gold. No he didn’t have the ADVANTAGE of a salary cap, he was competing when using Pocklington money…sorry OP, couldn’t disagree more with you…he always had one hand tied behind his back, and he made it work until he couldn’t work with the new owners (who stupidly forced him out, and I maintain they were gd heroes to this day.)
He’s the only person, in my entire life, that I saw at random, walked up and introduced myself, told him why I was bothering him, and shook his hand. I thanked him for making growing up exciting. I still feel that way. Love the man. I think, and this won’t be popular, that if Kevin Lowe could have tamped down his passion a little, he could have been the same guy. He had that great year, and within a couple more, he worked through some piss poor proxies. It’s a pity. But Sather was the goods. I think that he accomplished more with less, than any manager ever. That’s my hot take, but I’m old, and I keep smelling hot dogs.
Attard just stepped up at the defensive blew and absolutely wiped out the Letterkenny dude on the Canucks – his second such demolishing hit as a Condor (that I’ve seen).
To noone’s surprise, Jarventie remains not healthy enough to play.
Berglund took a dirty shot to the head last game and is out and the Condors go 11/7 (which includes a d-man playing forward).
Caggiula back on the top line with Philp and Savoie – hopefully he gives them some juice as they struggled last game (both Savoie and Philp have struggled with games in succession or close order – was mentioned by Chaulk on with Stauff yesterday).
Part of the pickpocket legend of Sather. Is the drafting from 1979-1983. Non first round contributors to Sather were:
Messier
Anderson
Kurri
Smith
Moog
Tikkanen
Pouzar
and Gretzky
Then add Fuhr, Lowe, Gregg Buekeboom and Coffey
those 13 players made Edmonton a place players wanted to play.
Still blows me away … Messier drafted in the 3rd round, crazy!!!
Full credit for acquiring Gretzky has to go to Pocklington, that wasn’t Sather’s doing.
There’s the dichotomy…absolute legend at acquisitions while coming up and he took risks. I’ve always wondered if he got so confident in his ability to trade into great players, that he took his eyes off the draft because it wasn’t his priority. Definitely a blind spot, and I will say that it followed him to New York. Ace trader, poor drafter. I think that when he delegated something, he just moved on to the next thing.
Seth Griffith named captain of the Condors.
I think Phil Kemp is equally deserving but the org doesn’t seem to remember he exists and he’ll be gone as a Group 6 UFA after this season.
Nice for Seth.
it must be so hard to be such a good, good hockey player, yet just a sliver away from the NHL
same for Kemp
For sure.
I think Griffith figured out his NHL dreams are over – he’s on an AHL contract now (then again, Malone shifted to an AHL contract for a few years and then got himself back to an NHL deal and some NHL games).
Until Bowman makes a bad trade I’ll give him the benifit of doubt. I wish they went with a Billy Guerin or like instead of moneybags. We would have 2 excellent trading partners in Ottawa and San Jose. San Jose is going to have a over abundance of young talent that doesn’t peak early and is expendable in a system that’s full. No more waisting 1st rounders on bumsteads or 3rd rounders for 1 game Green. Use your picks on players that need a change of scenery like Podkolzin. Actually draft and develop and change the culture where it’s Ok to make youthful mistakes during the 82 game warm up for the real season.
What would a Sather deal in this era look like?
Given the facts earlier up in the article (injuries,”second opinion”), Jarventie might be that perfect trade chip at the deadline if he can get healthy. Does he fit as a centerpiece for a Jiricek or Provorov trade?
Jarventie is a actual NHLer there’s a reason we got him for so cheap as he seems to be a hypochondriac. I’m also questioning why this player was pounded with the minutes in a back to back games on his return? Why was he not eased in after missing so much time and not having a proper offseason? Does anyone know are care what his injury is? Where are these mouthpieces for the Oilers why don’t they follow our farm team? We seem to have to get our information on Bakersfield from OP. Guys like Gregor seem to have more time for puppy tails and rainbows and lecturing the masses from their glass houses. If your job is to follow the Oilers then I want to know what the hell is going on in Bakersfield.
Gregor had Ryan Holt on his show yesterday.
Stauff had Chaulk on his show yesterday.
Injury information coming out of Bako is often even more limited than the big club.
I guess I’m not digging hard enough. I’m not the only one that is thankful for your up to date information and commentary on our farm club.
Thank you for that – you are welcome.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets-appear-committed-to-moving-2022-first-round-pick-david-jiricek-1.2210309
This seems good for the Oilers.
I wonder why the Jackets are so eager to trade the player.
Likely a function of the player and/or his agent seeking a change of scenery.
Columbus has a couple more promising D prospects in Denton Mateychuck and Corson Cuelmans (both first round picks) marinating in the AHL.
Kinda like the Broberg debacle. You can only marinate a top 10 pick wallet for so long before his agent and player say see-ya
Yeah…increasingly players are becoming more militant if they aren’t pleased with their development paths.
This might be exacerbated with Jiricek since his agent is Allan Walsh who has a reputation as a hard ass.
Could you imagine getting drafted by Holland unless you completely blow the doors open your not seeing the light of day. Broberg was gone before Jackson fired Wright into the Sun. I think Bouchard has a little payback coming after unnecessary being blocked by the second 2 year contract by Barrie. You don’t draft top 10 point magnets to sit in a hotel room while a 1 legged Murray is given more of a opportunity. Bouchard should of been handled like Hughes opportunity and contest wise. Anyone including myself can kick the can down the road It’s up to management to identify and have a path with your youth.
Unless he wants to go to a contending org, it would be no different on the Oilers this season and maybe next unless he takes big steps
Probably feels he can’t take any steps since he’s only played 6 games in Columbus and 2 in the AHL this season.
I’m bullish on making moves like that would be. There is risk, but Jiricek will be cost controlled for a while. He has a good defensive pedigree, size, protects the net and can skate, pass and shoot by all accounts. All round RHD with size don’t grow on trees
I see him as easily displacing Stecher this season because of that much higher ceiling after enough games. I like Stecher but he’s limited obviously. It’s not like Bouch at that age. It’s questionable whether a deadline defenseman would be better overall of course depending on who it is, but there aren’t a lot of options this year. And the cost for a claerly better D than Jiricek will be at least as high
I have not enjoyed just going for vets because in many playoff runs they haven’t been clearly better than the younger players because of age or overall talent, many of whom or draft picks have been lost to acquire them
Bouchard Jiricek Wanner looks pretty good to me in the near future and when Jiricek needs to get paid you have options
The very 1st second Broberg was in North America and not gifted a spot on the big club he wanted out.
Yep he is gifted and he was watching lesser talent make real dollars. I do see Broberg coming from the same glass factory as Kelfbom. Broberg allows himself to be flattened and it’s only a matter of time before it happens.
Revisionist history.
Broberg played more than 100 games in the AHL.
When the Oilers re-signed Kulak and then later traded Ceci instead of Kulak the die was cast.
There was no opportunity on LD for Broberg.
Can’t say I blame him for seeking more opportunity (and more money) in STL.
And I’m sure that’s exactly how his agent saw it too.
Ironic that now Kulak spends as much time at RHD as left and the third pair often has two righties. Edmonton really botched Broberg’s development imo
Yep…had they provided the 3LD opportunity and made him a reasonable contract offer, I’m sure he would be an Oiler and auditioning for 2LD when Ekholm is done.
Broberg didn’t make his trade request until December of his 3rd season in North America, and until the Oilers had clearly chosen other players over him.
Broberg was handled worse than Jesse Puljujarvi.
Broberg for Jiricek would have been a sensible trade about 6 months ago.
Hated that it had to be Manson in the MIronov deal.
Loved watching him play. Still remember the night he scored from center on a clean slapper. And he would have been great with Mironov.
The Dave Manson type has never and will never go out of style on the blue line.
I was at that game. Thinga beauty.
That squad often surprised with random things like that.
GMs are far to risk averse around the league to ever expect 80s style trading.
hard to compare Slats to virtually any other gm (maybe Lowe Feb 06) the Oilers have ever had. He seemed to have a knack for picking pockets whether it was Boschman, Kent Nilsson, or my personal favourite Linseman
Pat Hughes was a grunt and he was a beaut he could of easily scored 7 goals on that magical night 40 years ago. The best part was he did it against Calgary as we shellacked the Flames 10-5 with no Gretzky-Kurri-Messier in the line-up.
If the Oilers do trade for Jiricek I would hope it’s similar to the Puljujarvi trade.
Keep him in the AHL for the season, get him a skating coach and see how he looks next fall.
Parsons has an article up now saying the ask ( Friedman reported they were looking for a young player in return) has changed where they would look at draft picks as well.
Those players aren’t likely to come available often.
San Jose seems like they should be on the phone right now offering pick 33+ for him.
Nashville could swap a first which would be pretty funny considering Fabbro is the reason he’s available.
Chicago needs all the help they can get and that’d be a nice add with their extra first.
Montreal could swap them Matheson with a pick and hoard more D.
Pittsburgh should blow if up and get him but i dont know what with. Mcgroarty fits the Columbus mold of rough and tumble I associate with the team.
I think the Oil should absolutely call about this player, but it wouldn’t make the player happy because I agree with your AHL assessment. A summer trade ala Savoie wouldve been great but this will likely end before that.
Looking around lots of folks think he is NHL ready. Could be a Bro like thing from the team’s end. Every article refers to his physical game, two way/defensive ability and mobility
Emberson is doing very well now. Jiricek is just turning 21. Give him the rest of the season and I bet he would be eating Troy’s lunch learning under Coffey and Stuart. If possible you want to pick up a talent like this because they won’t be drafting any, and it is a distress sale to an extent because there is a disconnect
How about offering them O’Reilly? He’s years away from helping, if ever, the same as Jiricek. Who has the higher ceiling? I might argue the RHD is more valuable to this team going forward
I don’t think that would come even close to doing it.
From accounts, if its a non-NHL propsect coming back, the Jackets are looking for similar pedigree – I’m not even sure Savoie, a top 10 pick, would do it without another material piece.
You’re probably right. Sometimes more recent picks seem to carry more value though. I think I would start with O’Reilly, then see if we can offer a sweetener like Wanner, and a pick? We really don’t have much lose to offer.
Oilers need a guy that can come in and play right now. If Jiricek can’t make the Blue Jackets D, is he good enough to make the Oilers? Is he better than Emberson? Can he play with Nurse? Too many questions for me. They don’t need another farm hand.
I agree, that’s why I’m not big on the acquisition of Jiricek.
Lots of fan chatter about his lack of skating and danger recognition. Big pass for me if it’s not a similar prospects with warts going back.
Ceci for Emberson has an outside chance of being the modern day version of one of those trades.
Serviceable vet entering the back end of their career for a young, mostly unknown defensive Dman.
Emberson won’t be a star but could find a spot as a strong, reliable 4-5 defenceman. Those guys can be sneaky valuable. Surprisingly listed at 6’2 195lbs, I thought he was smaller.
Couldn’t agree more. This is what the best orgs do. They trade their vets before the aging curve takes its toll while they still retain value. Better to part with an older player a year too soon rather than a year too late
The exceptions to this of course are the core superstars you want to retain for the entirety of their career. We’ve never had that fan experience as Oiler fans and I for one am very much looking forward to having this Beliveau/Jeter type career arc with the likes of Nuge, Leon, and Connor.
The Red Wings are the enemy of this scenario. From Modano to Alfredsson to Kane, Detroit is always that club that will help a player stay too long at the dance. Could you imagine a diminished Leon or Connor playing 1 or 2 mediocre seasons as a Wing? That would suck.
Granted he’s a gigantic human but Lowry dwarfed him in the corner in the one viewing I saw. Would seriously side eye 6’2.
Like Nuge being 6’1. Maybe with the helmet on…
Emberson was listed as 6’1 200lbs at the NHL combine. He must of found an inch lying around somewhere.
Interestingly he shows up in the top 10 in a few tests: 2nd for power (watts/kg) 50% body weight bench press, T6 pro agility test – left, T2 functional movement screen
Nice, I miss VOR and his biometric musings. Necas, Foegele, and Crouse were all players he ID’d. And i think he had Farabee or Foudy with insane power generation.
If memory serves, VOR had Liam Foudy as an excellent athlete but a low IQ hockey player.
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Esa Tikkanen for Doug Weight
Dave Manson for Bo Mironov, Mats Lindgren and a first round pick.
Craig MacTavish for Todd Marchant.
1st rd picks in 1996 and 1997 for Curtis Joseph and Mike Grier.
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All great trades. A bit of context on the last one: Mike Keenan, then of St. Louis, signed Shayne Corson as a free agent in the summer of ’95. Compensation rules of the day sent 2 first-rounders from the Blues to the Oilers. Keenan then traded the rights to Joseph and Grier to Sather to recover *his own* draft picks.
From an Oilers perspective, it was Corson for Joseph and Grier. Or as I gleefully put it at the time, “a three for zero… we got Joseph, we got Grier, we got *rid* of Corson”.
Joseph was himself without a contract, & held out until mid January of 1995-96 before finally signing here, by which time another season was in the tank, an inconvenient fact that few Oilers fans seem to remember.
Grier, who had wowed many of us at the 1995 World Junior in Edmonton & Red Deer, was a full year away. He played a final season at Boston College before arriving as a fully-ready NHLer in the fall of ’96. He would go on to play 1,060 NHL games & 0 in the minors.
The Oilers made the playoffs for the next 5 seasons, largely on the backs of those trades & the related ones that would follow: Lindgren for Tommy Salo after Joseph flew the coop, and Mironov for Ethan Moreau & others.
True fact: the entire MGM Line came via the trade route. Loved that line.
Well I tried to do a blockquote, have clearly forgotten how. Help?
There’s a little “blockquote” button in my editor.
Bruce, do you remember the penultimate Grier game, where he was so strong that *I think* Sather said that all he needed to do was show he could fight, and he’d made the team? And he did. Moments after…he put EVERYTHING into getting onto that squad…much respect for him. That and the screaming shoulder dislocations.
A big fan. Nice article. 😉
You have some fans, too.
My gosh! A blast from the past. Hope you’re well!
It would be great if Bowman could find a 1B goalie to share the load/lighten the reps for Skinner. Pickard is fine, but has struggled against tougher competition. Plus, if you have a goalie who can shine even when Skinner is struggling, then you give 74 some room for the self improvement he accessed last year to right himself, as well as lowering the cap hit when/if they re-sign him at the end of his current deal.
Pick has been a solid back up. But that is below a guy that can carry weight if need be. I heard Woodley yesterday, and Pick is still well down the list even if showing better than Stu
I don’t this is a starter/back up league anymore. At least for most teams that don’t have one of the top 5 guys that actually stay healthy. It’s a 1A 1B league for most teams now. 1 A’s don’t start as many games as they once did. Blackwood for me, pretty solid numbers on a weak team, not old, and affordable
I agree. Blackwood is my preferred option for the Oilers to acquire. Now that Askarov has arrived in SJ, Blackwood becomes a redundancy. I think they prefer Vanecek as backup.
If Blackwood stays healthy it would be a formidable duo. And hopefully if one was off the other was on. I haven’t heard Woodley talk about Blackwood, my listening is sporadic, but I wonder if he’s better at rush plays which Stu is having a mighty hard time with. One thing I read said he gets across the net well for a big guy
Blackwood has been mostly terrible through his entire career. But in the echo chamber he now sounds like a coveted solution in net.
You may have missed the discussion around this. He has had some wobble, but has been on teams that were weak defensively. This season on the terrible Sharks posting better numbers than our guys who have a team defense performing well
It’s always a risk, but that’s why he’s also affordable. The Slats thing LT was talking about
Before the Oilers spend assets on another goalie, maybe they should find out what they have with their .926 save percentage AHL goalie?
I don’t think Rodrique is in our plays his Dad left the organization and I think he will as well after this year.
I don’t agree with this.
I’ll bet you a Corned Beef on Rye with Sauerkraut Sandwich that Beachball Rodrique doesn’t see a game this year and walks over to a new organization in the offseason.
Rueben
He may not play a game this year (that likely depends on health of Skinner/Pickard) but, even if he doesn’t, he doesn’t have the ability to walk to a new organization in the off-season.
The Oilers will qualify him and keep his rights.
If he was born 7 days earlier, he would have the ability, but he wasn’t.
Absolutely
Sather didn’t have to deal with the salary cap and a huge part of any player’s value is impact in relation to cap hit
I definitely agree that the trade for Podz fits the bill here – not only with the cheap acquisition cost of a 4th rounder but the player came signed for $1MM X 2 years.
ahhh some people forget…the Oilers were the most underfinanced team in the league…even Winnipeg with Benny Haskin, and later the Oil barons of Calgary could buy and sell Pocklington several times over….we were the epitome of a penny pinching organization…. Sather was a genius.
Agreed. I interviewed Mark Napier years ago and he said the FIRST night he played as an Oiler, he called his agent and said ‘if Sather offers a deal, accept it’ knowing the Oilers weren’t a team that would spend.
Sather WAS a genius.
And not only as a GM/horse trader, but as an innovative coach and motivator as well
From his early embrace of European systems and practice drills, to being on the cutting edge of conditioning and training science, to him and Pocklington bringing in motivational experts and life coaches, the Oilers of the 80s were a visionary and leading organization across the board. Much of what we take for granted in hockey tactics and sports sciences now was new ground the Oil helped to break.
Much like Gretzky skated to where the puck was going, Slats did the same as a Head Coach.
Gretzky gave them the generational talent to contend for Cups. Sather made them a Dynasty.
Sather was Dad he also bailed more than a few out of the hoosegow.
Apropos of the pre-salary cap era, some of my favorite teams were the Doug Weight years given the massive discrepancy between the haves and the have-nots.
The EIG was something else…
Sather had to deal with an internal (relatively hard) salary cap much less than what other teams spent because Pocklington was highly leveraged and under-capitalized and the Oilers were perhaps his only cash cow.
But how does this relate to the Oilers losing Boreberg?
Sather had to pay the players in food stamps meanwhile over in Pizza Pizza land Holland who had more money than the Beatles was able to pay defect all-stars from the CCCP anything they wanted.
Yes it does get a little hard to take hearing how exceptional Detroit mgmt of that era was when they could simply outspend everyone by a wide margin.
Same with the Rangers. Neil Smith’s main talent as a GM seemed to be buying new FAs off the Oilers and Hawks every year. Yes they developed Leetch and Richter but that 94 Cup roster is loaded with overpaid mercenaries
not in absolute terms, but the Oilers were a low budget team
Farm team for the league for a good decade or more. Painful.