There’s Something Happening Here

by Lowetide
  • On the road to: VEG (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: CBJ, STL, TBAY (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 3-0-0)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: VEG, FLA, BOS, SJS, OTT (Expected 4-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: UTA (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 9-4-0, 18 points in 13 games
  • December results: 4-1-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 17-10-2, 36 points in 29 games

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Reja

Being that Armstrong is a superior G.M could he possibly be doing a pump and dump on not only Broberg but the sharpshooter Hollywood.

Tarkus

Summarizing!

For the first time ever, I’m doing a preemptive summary. Barry’s game isn’t over yet but I feel confident he won’t get soup. Now watch him score a third-period hat trick to spite me!

Anywho…

Määttä and Copponi each had a goal and an assist.

O’Reilly o’registered two assists.

Nicholl and Münzenberger (into an EN) tallied.

Lachance, Wakely, and Stonehouse each had a helper.

Fischer did not earn soup.

Akey was camping and likely celebrating his appointment to the WJHC roster.

Tarkus

Epilogue: I was right to be confident in Berry’s soup denial. He now has but a goal to show in 23 GP.

To be fair, Muskegon doesn’t piss a drop offensively–call it the Vermont Syndrome. Muskegon’s leading scorer has 21 points in 25 GP.

winchester

No response after cheap shot on Bouchard.

Easy decision to call up Josh Brown. I’m loving Emberson, Poddy, and bringing in a 24 year old Regula.

But having a heavyweight around is also a good idea.

Most important thing is arriving in the post season healthy. Oilers have so much talent now, they can afford to marble in some beef.

winchester

The Oilers will not win if they are unable to defend themselves. Functional toughness. They have some.

In my opinion, the reason they came so close but missed is because the wear and tear on Connor, Leon, kept them from running at 100% . Bringing in another skilled winger was important, but not as important as bringing these guys into the finals uninjured.

hunter1909

This is why I am all for keeping Evander Kane away from the NHL until as close as possible to the playoffs. Add Kane to game 7 and Oilers probably win the cup.

Kane is the Jagr level type player who can step into any game of hockey and play effectively. Superstar level talent, is that.

Professor Q

O’Reilly is a playmaking machine! Another goal for London. They’ve broken through Windsor now and have them on the run.

Windsor is a tough team. They’re all huge, fast, and angry. Then there’s little Abraham…

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Professor Q

Nicholl scores a beauty from Sim. A slight reprieve of hockey play during this fight on ice.

Tarkus
Darryl8843

I don’t actually have an opinion on Kemp as I just haven’t seen him play enough. Buts it’s obvious the Oilers have no use for him. Seems like another case of bad asset management. Why develop him for a few years then just let him walk? Makes no sense to me.

Georgexs

The quality of competition discussion from yesterday made me curious if the numbers are more intuitive when looking at team results rather than player results.

Last season’s Oilers, for example, should have had a better points percentage against the bottom third teams than against the top third teams. Not just the Oilers, it should have been the case for any other team.

That is, it should have been tougher getting two points when playing the #1 team from last season (NYR) than when playing the last place team (SJS).

At the team level, the Quality of Competition should matter. That’s the hypothesis.

To test it, I broke out VSCode with Copilot and downloaded the schedule and results from last year from hockey reference:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2024_games.html

And I split the teams up into three tiers based on their overall points percentage for the season. (Oilers were a Tier 1 team.)

Then I calculated the points percentage of each team when playing against opponents in each tier.

Here’s what I got for the Oilers:

Overall, 82 GP, 104 Pts, .634 Pts %

Tier 1, 23 GP, 19 Pts, .413 Pts %
Tier 2, 28 GP, 35 Pts, .625 Pts %
Tier 3, 31 GP, 50 Pts, .806 Pts %

The numbers make sense. The Oilers’ results got worse as their competition got better.

How about the rest of the League?

Well, 29 of 32 teams did worse than their overall points percentage when playing against Tier 1 teams.

And 31 of 32 teams did better than their overall points percentage when playing against Tier 3 teams.

Quality of Competition does seem to affect results for teams.

But, of course, any oddsmaker or bettor could have told you that.

Why, then, don’t we see Quality of Competition playing out the same way in PuckIQ’s player data?

I mean, it has to be harder winning the GF-GA battle playing against elite players than it is playing against scrubs, right?

I think so. Then why didn’t it work out that way for PuckIQ?

Pretty sure I know, but this is a long post already.

Elgin R

Great post!

WRT players like Connor or Leon producing more against which tier, I would add that scoring off the rush is their trademark.

Now, grintensity or middle lines are not even trying to score against them ( for the most part) they are out there to prevent getting scored on.

The elite lines are trying to score so do open themselves up to getting plunked off the rush. No shutdown lines in the elite for the most part.

Ryan

Nice post!

I had similar thoughts on how teams perform vs playoff teams in the past. Gmoney wrote a blog post about our discussion (here and here).

As an alternative to PuckIQ’s tiers of competition, I would be curious to see how a given player’s stats differ vs playoff and non playoff teams. I had chatted with Woodguy about providing this data for the PuckIQ website this past summer. They’re apparently working on it.

The premise would be to determine if players that are seemingly playoff scoring duds like Foegele, pad their scoring stats during the regular season against non-playoff teams.

PickIQ doesn’t correct for quality of team, though they do have Wowy data.

RAPM is a measure that tries to adjust for both, but it’s behind a paywall at EvolvingHockey.

Ryan

Who you play against matters, absolutely. But I would argue that who you play with matters even more, and here’s why:

Coaching staff have direct control over putting together lines, while matchups against opponents often fluctuate due to game flow, special teams, and line changes. For a given player, the amount of time spent vs elites while still important is relatively narrow gap between the most and least on a team.

For example, if a coach staples Podkolzin to Draisaitl, Podkolzin will always benefit from playing with one of the best players in the world. His opponents, however, will vary considerably throughout a game. This means Podkolzin’s underlying metrics could stay consistently strong due to Draisaitl’s offensive brilliance, regardless of whether he’s facing elite comp or depth players.

The inherent randomness of matchups means that linemate quality often carries more predictive weight over the long run.

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Ryan

I was looking at the PuckIQ methodology today.

https://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2016/07/woodmoney-new-quality-of-competition.html?m=1

This part is interesting:

PLAYER COMBINATION BREAK DOWN FOR THE 3 BANDS

We have found the effects of Elites and Dregs to be pretty strong on line results, so GMoney came up with these rules for determining the quality of a line on the ice at any given time:

1) Elite: at least one elite player must be on the ice. No gritensity player may be on the ice.

2) Middle: Elite + Gritensity on the ice or 3 middles. 

 

3) Gritensity: Any time a gritensity player is on the ice except when with an elite

Given that it’s based on last year’s data, that could create issues. Like Podkolzin would qualify as gritensity last year, so anyone playing against Draisaitl and Podz this season, by definition are not facing elite comp, only middle comp.

Podz and Draisaitl have 200 minutes together with a 60% goal share. That’s some difficult middle tier comp!

I suppose that happens with some categorical arrangement cutoffs.

Also with using the rel cuts for >40% DFF or Corsi, it would punish good players on good teams. Never mind that there’s probably some multicollinearity in using both DFF and Corsi cuts to define tiers.

Also, a note the elite comp ignores defensemen. So if you’re playing against grittensity line of the Oilers, it will be quite a different experience if Ekholm and Bouchard are on the ice with them than if it was Desharnais and Kulak.

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Harpers Hair

And for us stat nerds out there, the line possesses a 64.4% Corsi, a 70.2% control of the shot share, a 69.2% control of expected goals and a 64.3% control of on-ice scoring chances.”

From an NHL.com article last season but that same “gritensity” 3rd line that outscored by 65%-35% has recently been re-united.

Not all gritensity lines or players are the same.

Some can take on tough competition and thrive.

The major premise is very flawed.

hunter1909

HH; You are probably busy however, could you please give us your take on last night’s Oilers v Minnesota game?

Was it due to the Wild being fairly banged up?
Was it due to the Oilers being a superior veteran Finals experienced team?

Thank you reading this.

Funnybird

Havent posted in a while but signed in now so might as well post another. Wondering what the smart folks (Tarkus, OP, not HH, others) think about Shane Lachance. Big body and numbers are trending postively so hopeful this guy might be a prospect.

Tarkus

I’ve heard someone (LT?) say Lachance’s boots need work.

Otherwise, my biggest concern is signability. As in, can be enticed to play in western Canada? If the Oilers come a-callin’ after the season with a contract and he opts to stay at BU, that’d be a tell.

If he makes it, he would be Hyman’s net-front heir.

Funnybird

Connor and Drai are a hokey paradox. Connor so fast that he does the impossible and Drai some how slows the game down to make things look easy. Devils lettuce nailed the Jagr/ Forsberg comparison for Drai… maybe add a touch of Koucharov and P Kane to that mix. Thanks LT for the daily reminders that we are living in privleged times as Oilers fans!

Professor Q

If Kane had the body of a Semi Truck, perhaps!

I’d say Forsberg/Lindros/Sundin.

Funnybird

Pat Kane is over 1200 games into his career, he didn’t need to be a semi truck body in his case. I was thinking of guys that would hang on to the puck without getting hit and then make plays that no one else seemed to be able to do (all the while thinking someone should hit him already). Sundin is another in that mold for sure. Lindros was a different beast entirely, unfortunately his body couldn’t hold up.

Professor Q

Oh absolutely. I love Kane (Knights fan being obvious…). I just meant I find they are very different player wise, but do have similar strengths despite their differences. I 100% get what you’re saying, and it makes sense.

Side

Wahlstrom on waivers.

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Ranford.85

This is not the waiver pick up your looking for… you may carry on your business… move along

Lewis Grant

Thank goodness we didn’t take him. He was highly regarded, and some wanted him.

There were so many off-the-board picks (Kotkaniemi, Hayton, Kravtsov) that we were guaranteed one of Bouchard, Wahlstrom, and Dobson.

Thank goodness we chose the right one. (Dobson would have been solid too, but Wahlstrom….woof…)

JJS

Wahlstrom on waivers!! Don’t tell Bouch

cowboy bill

So can Regula practice with the team and still retain his not activated status ?

OriginalPouzar

Yes, players on IR can practice with the team.

Professor Q

I thankfully got invited to the Knights Spitfires game tonight. It should be an exciting game! Looking forward to seeing Nicholl and O’Reilly.

John Chambers

Who moves to PP1?
Nurse or Ekholm?

jp

Good question.

My first thought was presumably Ekholm, but Nurse is so damn mobile and that has value as the only D back there.

It’s been a few year, but the PP also had good results with Nurse subbing in IIRC.

cowboy bill

Or both.

OriginalPouzar

For me, 100% Nurse – he’s earned it and he’s done it before and he can handle more minutes than he’s playing. Best not to ask more of Ek, in my opinion.

bsmart

Josh Brown recalled, Original Pouzar called it! “Sigh”

Gerta Rauss

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Edmonton Oilers

@EdmontonOilers

The #Oilers have recalled defenceman Josh Brown from the @Condors
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NovaScotiaOiler

Bummer… I was allowing myself a sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe, it would finally be Kemp’s time. I knew better.

OriginalPouzar

I no longer let myself get my hopes up on that.

Todd Macallan

Beau Akey has officially made team Canada. Music!!

doritogrande

Came here for this. Turns out after all these years that Beau actually does know…(Canadian U-20) hockey.

Recognition of a great bounceback season. Hope he’s pumped.

OriginalPouzar

Just saw that and I’m very enthused.

Adds an extra layer of attachment to Team Canada for me.

Recent draft picks on the team have played depth roles (Holloway, Lavoie) – maybe Akeg can work his way up the depth chart too.

Im sure they find his mobility intoxicating. Not many skate like him at that level.

Todd Macallan

Based on my reading I’d also describe Vinni as a very good bet and Fischer as a decent to solid bet for their respective squads.

doritogrande

If my memory serves (that period between Christmas and the gold medal game is usually a haze of eggnog, cookies and board games), Holloway actually played 1LW his year. He was also nursing an injury so was basically ineffective as an offensive threat but he was outskating about 90% of his peers.

OriginalPouzar

Is that true on Holloway? I specifically remember him outside of the top lines… no?

Tarkus

This will be the first time Akey has represented Team Canada at any level.

Tarkus

When was the last time an Oilers pick from outside Round 1 made Team Canada?

Five years ago–Lavoie and Rodrigue.

OriginalPouzar

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OriginalPouzar

I’ve been posting about the Condors maybe holding Brown (or, in a shocker, Kemp) out of tonight’s game but, alas, they don’t play to tomorrow so we probably won’t get an indication on potential call-up today.

As an aside, seriously, the Condors play at 2 mountain tomorrow – to they coordinate so that the game conflict with Oilers games?

jp

Wouldn’t it be Dermott most likely? Especially if Emberson is slated with Ekholm, leaving the 3LD spot open?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Unfortunately, Minny claimed Dermott.

jp

Ah, oops. Haven’t looked at any news yet today aside from a couple of comments here. That’s too bad.

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OriginalPouzar

Coach says Bouch’s injury is nothing major and he’s 50/50 to play tomorrow.

I’m just going to trust this is a very different “50/50 to play the next day” than it was with Arvidsson.

Reja

Bouchard is a gamer he’ll want the Vegas match. Do we maybe see Bouchard in a limited role maybe on the PP. I hated the gimmicky 11-7 that Woody deployed on a nightly basis but like I’ve mentioned before there’s a time and place for the 11-7 and this might be it.

bsmart

Look at Robbie Jarventie injury, very cloak and dagger with any news on players, its silly!

OriginalPouzar

Injury info on the Condors is WAY harder to get than the big club. With that said, Chaulk did give us a detailed update on Jarventie this past week – not even on the ice yet.

bsmart

What’s his injury, OP?

OriginalPouzar

Chaulk never actually said exactly what it is but I presume its one of his knees. Chaulk mentioned that he didnt’ feel great going in to the second game (he played back to backs) but didn’t tell anyone about that and played through. He’s seeing specialists and what not – not even on the ice yet, hasn’t skated – won’t be back this calendar year.

godot10

WE WANT KEMP! WE WANT KEMP! WE WANT KEMP!

Darth Tu

You will have 0% WAR Josh Brown and be happy about it.

Yes, we do want Kemp though

OriginalPouzar

The organization does not know who that is.

Will be interesting to see which of Brown or Kemp are held out of tonight’s game – assuredly, but disappointingly, Brown.

Reja

His ship sailed 2-GM’s ago.

OriginalPouzar

Rishaug notes that Emberson is paired with Ekholm today – that was kind of my suggestion if there is no Bouch. Use Nurse/Kulak as the 1LD, have Ekholm/Emberson as the 2nd pairing and rely heavily on those two.

Not sure if it would be Regula (still on IR) or Brown (or Kemp, ya right) who plays with Stecher.

Scungilli Slushy

I wonder how many RS D have played much LD, outside of Regula in juniors. I find it so Oilers that they have swung the pendulum so hard to possibly playing a rightie rightie pair, not the most common thing

I guess Brown plays some LD in the A

OriginalPouzar

Bouch not on the ice today, the shocking claim of Dermott and I don’t know if Regula is ready to play – he hasn’t been activated this season and Stauff was talking about a conditioning stint.

My hope is that Bouch can play but we may see Josh Brown tomorrow – I hope its Phil Kemp but that’s a fantasy as the org doesn’t know about him/

Condors are out east in Toronto – long travel.

OriginalPouzar

Will be interesting to see which d-man (if any) is held out of tonight’s game.

fishman

Apparently the Wild have claimed Dermott. A bit surprising??

cowboy bill

WOW!!! That is a surprising development. They must think they need to bolster their defense after last night’s shellacking.

Crazy Pedestrian

They looking for some insider knowledge on the Oilers’ game plans and coaching 😉

DevilsLettuce

Thank you Bouchard for sending that fella into hand surgery, no more Dermott is a good thing.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Apparently Middleton’s injury last night (to his hand), resulted in him being placed on injured-reserve (possibly long term).

GB&Q

From Michael Russo on the Athletic:

According to league sources, Middleton broke a finger in his right hand on his first shift against the Oilers when he was struck by Evan Bouchard’s wrist shot. He was expected to undergo surgery Friday and also being assessed for another potential injury to his hand.
The Wild placed Middleton on long-term injury reserve, which means he has to miss at least 10 games and 24 days.

Victoria Oil

Middleton is actually leading the league in plus/minus at +22.

Lewis Grant

Did anyone see Middleton’s “top titty 2X4” quip in an after-game on-ice interview broadcasted to the whole arena? He seems like a gooder. From Wainwright, too. Get well soon.

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

The only way it could be closer to a Nashville game would be for Leon to go pour sugar in the fans’ gastanks in the parking lot.

I remember reading somewhere a comparison between Leon and Peter Forsberg. Both loved the contact, used their body well to protect pucks, looked more dominant when the physical play got tougher.

I have quite a few buddies who are Leafs fans who call Leon Connor’s caddie. I was keeping them well appraised of the performance last night.

Moonlight

Canucks may be looking to move on from Vincent Desharnais. Wow.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

This is not surprising. Des at 1 million as a 6-7 dman was good value. Des at 2 million not so much.

Scungilli Slushy

YMMV. D play a lot of the game, so they have to be good at 5v5. It’s one thing to hide a forward for a few attributes like Ryan, another with a D

Des is an awesome guy, but he’s a quite limited player. To me it’s why they claimed Regula, he is also big but can skate, defend, and also move the puck under pressure from all accounts

If they can’t contribute at 5v5 enough I don’t see the point no matter the salary. Dermott is in the same boat, he’s not good enough even as depth for a contending team because he gets owned if you have to use him. There are a lot of low cap players these days, have to find the ones that you can use and come out ok if you have to

Reja

I don’t think he’s physical enough for Tocchet liking. Once your in Tocchet doghouse your screwed just ask Podkolzin.

Harpers Hair

With Hronek on IR long term, they’ve been forced to play Tyler Myers on the first pairing…way above his pay grade.

Apparently Rutherford/Alvin are actively trying to find a RD (who isn’t?) and would like to move Desharnais to create additional cap space.

There is chatter that Nils Hoglander could be part of the transaction.

McNuge93

Wow, Hoglander is another Canucks failed prospect it looks like. If only we had room we could turn him around.

Harpers Hair

I’m not sure I would call him a “failed” prospect since he has played 249 NHL games.

Of course he was drafted in the second round in 2019 two spots later than some kid named Raphael Lavoie…now THAT is a failed prospect.

Side

Some prospects get more opportunities when they play on worse teams.

Harpers Hair

Remind me again which team won the Pacific Division last season.

DevilsLettuce

The team that lost in the second round of the playoffs.

Side

The Edmonton Oilers eliminated the Vancouver Canucks with a 3-2 win in Game 7 of the Western Conference Second Round at Rogers Arena.

And another reminder, the Edmonton Oilers also won the entire western conference and were awarded a trophy called the Clarence S. Campbell bowl. Have you heard of it?

LMHF#1

Leon can be the best player in the world on any given night – and this year he has definitely been the best Oiler.

To say I love his reaction to signing that big contract extension as compared to others who immediately flatline would be an immense understatement. The guy plays and works for the right reasons. It is wonderful to watch.

Tarkus

Prospectonaut!

Mazura and the Birds of Fire get the night off. Everyone else amongst NAmateurs shall toil.

Boston University (Lachance, Copponi) @ 5 p.m.
Vermont (Münzenberger, Määttä) @ 5 p.m.
Notre Dame (Fischer) @ 5 p.m.
Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5 p.m.
London (O’Reilly, Nicholl) @ 5 p.m.
Ottawa (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.
Muskegon (Berry) @ 6 p.m.

All times are two times and are also Sylvan Lake time.

Sierra

Fantastic couple of games. Lots of guys are playing very well, but we definitely have to note how well Nurse is playing now that he is healthy and whatever else is resolved.

With the reduction in major defensive gaffs and the forwards more committed to the defensive game, which is always a struggle for these guys, we see that the Skinner Pickard combo is sufficient.

I want to see a lit bit of nasty added to the line-up, perhaps at 3LD. Fingers crossed for Bouchard.

DevilsLettuce

Lauzon appreciates your support.

ArmchairGM

 I don’t know that Philip Broberg could be doing any better than Kulak in this role and that’s a fact.

Shots fired!

godot10

My Broberg post responding to that quote was censored.

The meme form of criticism (ape, midwit, zen master) is apparently not allowed.

ghostdot10

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

LOL cries about being censored on a private blog is peak North American victimhood culture.

godot10

Where am I crying? I said the post was censored. I did not say he did not have the right to censor it. I did not ask for it to be put back. I did not even ask for the reason it was censored.

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DevilsLettuce

Leon like most nights this season is looking like the Hart of the league.

dustrock

“What if you combined Joe Thornton and Evgeni Malkin into one body?”

Reja

Frank Mahovlich-Peter Stastny-Alexander Yakushev.

DevilsLettuce

Jagr+Forsberg

RT26

Ahead of the trade deadline and in the interest of strategic flexibility, I think they should try Stetcher at 3LD for a spell. Emberson needs stability to thrive and should not move, and Kulak and Nurse are doing so well together, I am thinking of having a veteran like Stetcher eat up minutes at 3LD until the trade deadline.

Worst case, it gives you a fallback option in case of injury down the road and puts our best defencemen into a more stable usage pattern.

Our Edmonton Operation

I read elsewhere that Derek Ryan didn’t lose a faceoff last night. I thought “impressive!” but then I researched and discovered he only had two faceoffs. While researching, I further realized that his FO percentage is 63.5% for the year, tied currently for the lead, for those who have taken a lot of faceoffs.

His career FO percentage is 55.3%. I know everyone is saying to replace him with Philp (who I think is great), but I have a soft spot for old guy Derek Ryan.

Kraz

Cult of hockey podcast last night they mentioned Ryan in the last 6 games has won 30/39 face offs

Our Edmonton Operation

That’s insane!

Our Edmonton Operation

I was reading yesterday’s game thread and today’s posts as well. I don’t recall much being said about the Wild not having Zuccarello, Eriksson Ek, and Brodin out. And then Middleton only played 37 seconds before getting injured. So my first point is that the Wild didn’t dress their best lineup.

But as a counterpoint, I recognize that we didn’t have Arvidsson or Kane in the lineup, plus we played Pickard, versus Minnesota had Gustavsson in net, one of the best goalies in the league this year.

The Oilers played an amazing 60 minutes and probably would’ve won last night even if Minnesota had their best lineup.

ArmchairGM

Keep in mind that the Wild were #1 in the league going into the game.

31saves

You can only play the team in front of you. There are too many moving parts to try to determine every teams ‘best lineup’ and if we would beat them, but I have realized a long time ago that every team in the NHL is very good at this hockey thing. There are no freebies, and no easy wins, so a win against the Wild, even missing some players, gives me a lot of satisfaction.

cowboy bill

Kulak was always better than Broberg in Edmonton. Which is the main reason he’s now a Blue. Your final note on Kulak is precious. Thanks for that pearl of reality.

Scungilli Slushy

Broberg isn’t at Kulak’s level right now. He may be better at some point, but Kulak is running great underlying stats and Bro didn’t, so it’s sustainable

godot10

Yet, it is rumoured that the Oilers are looking for a left shot D who can play both sides at the trade deadline.

Scungilli Slushy

I think they would have liked to keep Bro, I don’t think that’s in question, but he wanted out, and the cap hit isn’t right for the Oilers structure as it is, on both accounts

Bowman has done pretty well it seems so far fixing the damage

cowboy bill

They could use another Kulak.

DevilsLettuce

So you’re saying Broberg is a 3rd pairing defender when properly slotted, nice.

cowboy bill

Age is on Broberg’s side.

Scungilli Slushy

It is

Reja

In the previous off-season Holland went all Cup or bust talk. Holland stated that now is not the time for youth mistakes. Add in a coaching change and Lavoie and Broberg knew they were hooped. I knew both these players were never going to be given a fair chance in Edmonton under Holland.

Scungilli Slushy

The problem with that was his guys still made mistakes. Des went PB, if Stecher was healthy I’m not sure Ceci wouldn’t have joined him given he was struggling in GF%, and Bro ended up playing more in the final

Faulty reasoning by Mr H

cowboy bill

Too bad Kulak just didn’t stick with Nurse, then Broberg might have played with Ceci on the third pair.

pixel-bender

I don’t comment her too often — lurking must be in my nature I guess — and when I do it’s often to critique our less than excellent play-by-play team.

But last night really ticked me off. After the “cowardly hit by Ryan Hartman” DeBrusk shrugged it off as “oh he just gave him a pop there”. The Oilers potentially lose one of their top defenders to a pointless, cowardly hit and our intrepid team can only note that “well it wasn’t his head, that’s good” and then move on.

We need to pass a law that if a former player didn’t contribute anything to their team beyond pointless, fourth-line gritensity then they need to pass a course in hockey streategy and tactics before joining a broadcast team. Repeating the terms “shooters’ mentality” and “sticks in lanes” doesn’t count.

Otherwise we’re stuck with what we have on SN, a low-talent, intellectually lazy colour-commentator who spends his time justifying his minimal contributions to his former team’s fortunes by overlooking dirty and or obstructive play by the less talented against talented players.

I want a colour commentator who can identify the oppositions’ tactics in forechecking and if the Oilers change their breakouts in any way. If a player’s ice team increases or decreases. If a line is given more responsibility. If the Oiler’s improved PK is due to a change in tactics, improved goaltending, or new personnel.

How often have you heard our play by play team ever discuss anything like that?

DeBrusk was clearly never interested in anything beyond skating in straight lines and hitting things, because he’s unable to identify anything beyond the skating in straight lines and hitting things.

His primary contribution to winning when he did play was bruising / injuring those who did contribute to winning, so when someone takes liberties with a dirty hit he at best overlooks it, if not celebrating it.

I don’t expect them to fully embrace or utilize advanced analytics, but if you can’t even spot changes in the coach’s delegation of ice time what are you even doing?

End rant.

Elgin R

The ESPN feed was excellent with Ray Ferraro.

Traveller

In the US when ESPN+ has it as the feature game, the Canadian feed is not available. I really like Ray Ferraro. My one complaint about last night’s coverage is once it was 5-1, the whole broadcast team constantly made excuses for the Wild, mentioning the injured players countless times. They said over and over again how uncharacteristic it was of Minnesota.

Yes, injured players are a factor and occasionally they gave the Oilers credit for how well they were playing, but it was overtly one sided in that respect. It was more Minnesota lost the game, not Edmonton winning it.

The Oilers have $9 million cap from 2 of their players on IR, and still have the depth to field a competitive team and accrue cap space. How about some credit for that.

prefonmich

Agreed! Both Debrusk and Michaels are off topic and often rambling about nonsense when important plays are happening. Like the first goal last night. There is very little recognition of strategy or anything meaningful. Michaels is too busy trying to be funny, which he’s not. Think he’s ok for radio but not for tv. Debrusk trying too hard to not be a homer that he can’t even provide a thoughtful comment most times.

Scungilli Slushy

It’s a sad, sad thing that US broadcasts are superior, and they have all of our best talent

I get the sports announcer growly bellowing, but there is the sports version, witty, and the MME / Monster Truck rally version. Not a fan of the latter

SoCaloil

100%. Last night’s play by play on the Oil feed was absolutely aweful.

Endless rambling about random things that had nothing to do with the game; trying to be funny with dumb comments.

I’ve been impressed with Gadzik when he’s on at intermission.
He has some good things to say and think he can have a good career in NHL broadcasting.

Scungilli Slushy

Moon / Stauffer would be better on the TV

cowboy bill

Gazdik has an easy job doing analysis during intermission.

cowboy bill

I think Micheals & Debrusk aim to be entertaining and bring energy more than anything. Mostly because Oiler fans already know everything anyway.

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pixel-bender

I’ve been watching hockey for most of my life, I have an intellectual interest in tactics in general and a deep emotional interest in the Oilers and I have difficulty being able to identify much in real time.

It’s more of a matter of “old school” thinking, intellectual laziness, and finding budget conscious talent.

The Oilers tied the Toronto f-ing Maple Leafs in revenue last year and the team’s fans can’t expect a pre-game show or much in the way of insight during the broadcast. Stauffer and MacTavish know their stuff but are constrained by time in terms of holding any sort of insightful conversations.

I have all the patience in the world for Gene — hosting a broadcast like that is a hell of a tough job — but he needs to do a better job of just getting out of the way during those panel discussions and just let the others drive the conversation.

cowboy bill

It’s entertainment that drives hockey, especially in the US. Most Americans don’t have intellectual interest in tactics or a deep emotional interest in hockey. It’s different in Canada so there needs to be a balance of pure entertainment and serious analysis.

pixel-bender

I don’t think it’s just budget.

US broadcasts have to compete with the big three sports, who have a history of more tactic / strategic based commentary, and a need to educate their audience as well.

Canadian hockey broadcasters have a passionate, captive audience so the quality of the game broadcast is far less important — and it’s obvious in the quality that we receive.

Our play-by-play team can only speak to “heart” and “grit” and the intermission is largely free marketing for the Oilers’ charitable efforts. Not to downplay the impact the Oilers’ charity efforts have, but putting more time and budget to providing greater insight into the game would be great.

Sierra

Can you name some tv hockey broadcasters you’d like see do the Oilers game, besides Ray Ferraro?

pixel-bender

To provide a positive example of what good colour commentating could be:

When the Oilers played the Kings last year all the talk leading up to the series was on the Kings’ forecheck and what the Oilers would do to counter it.

The Oilers were having success, so do you know what Jason Strudwick did in preparation to appearing on Gregor’s show?

  • He watched tape
  • He almost certainly talked to some tactic-minded coaches / experts
  • He came ready with notes on what the Oilers were doing in the regular season, what the Kings were trying to do, and how the Oilers changed their breakouts to maintain possession into the Kings’ zome
  • He added his own commentary as a former player, talking about what it was like to shift something as fundamental as your breakout for a specific team / series

It was great sports radio.

Can you, for one second, imagine DeBrusk putting in the time and effort to do 10% of that? Better to just talk about the importance of face punching in winning

RDIII

re: this post and entirety of comments.

good grief.

dcsj

While we are on this topic, one thing that still seems odd to me is the colour guy stationed between the two benches. I forget the guy who started this (can see his face in my mind… getting old!!) but even then I don’t think it added much to the commentary and lost some of the dynamic between play-by-play and colour guy sitting in the booth together. Maybe it’s just me though!!

theDjdj

trust the Oilers fan to find ways to complain about something when we get to watch McDavid and Draisaitl every night. Like dude, its not that big of a deal. I watch NHL via stream so I can switch and I’ll tell you Louis and Michaels are far from the worst broadcast team. Personally, I like them.

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Scungilli Slushy

They have been playing well over a good stretch, the difference last night was smart offensive play, connected and consistent. If they can keep that rolling they are going to be very hard to beat

I loved the amount of well timed traffic they had, and the team passing is really noticeable. They are breaking out well and the puck movement is messing up D structures as they go up the ice. Also lots of O zone movement

Big test against the Vegans. I hope to see the same offensive tactics and hopefully they break through the clogged slot this time, many times

dcsj

oops , replied in wrong thread

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Harpers Hair

Some broadcasts feature two guys in the booth AND one between the benches.

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prefonmich

I wonder (outside of Zac at Oilersnation) why there wasn’t a response last night and why no penalty and why no discussion of follow up action for the Hartman play on Bouch. It was interference at the very least. Clear intent to injure. That sort of play is sneaky dirty and this is the crap Hartman is known for. The game was well in hand at that point. Why no response? Why no mention by any Oilers after? If Bouch is out for any length of time we are really going to see his value on this team. Kinda like what happened when Nurse was out.

Otherwise, what a game! When Leon cruised around the net with a guy draped all over him, you just knew he would make some ridiculous pass. I hope they keep that line together when Arvidson returns.

Brantford Boy

Take a number for the next game… I’m certain Kane did

SoCaloil

Leon did have a chat from the bench. Not sure what was said.

DevilsLettuce

Leon informed Hartman he will be getting gooned, Perry was informing him of the futures that will be cashed.

The refs were mad their team lost.

Paulie

Three things stand out to me in the Oil’s recent play. Everyone is bearing down hard. Last night we saw Podz blocking a hard shot late in the third when the outcome was settled. I saw Skinner good in effort too (if not quite so good in execution).

The next thing is the passing. Its been so smooth across the team. Nurse is exhibit A here, but throughout the game the players were passing with pace up the ice. Sometimes an Oiler would touch a pass to a open space and I thought “Oh no” then another Oiler came flying into the space to receive the pass right on the tape.

The last thing is the disappearance of the glaring defensive breakdowns. We hardly ever see our goalies left all alone with one or two opponents firing away at will from the slot. Music!

cowboy bill

The disappearance of glaring defensive break downs is really helping the goaltenders. They no longer need to make that huge save that they notably struggle to make.

Elgin R

The NHL and PHWA will probably not recognize Draisaitl except with the ‘Rocket’. Watching the highlights (because the games are on past their bedtimes) does not show how 29 is impacting the play in his own end – he should be a Selke nominee. Therefore, recognition should come from Oiler fans, and a formal title should be given:

We hereby proclaim
For all of Oiler Nation
Now Leon the 1st

Jethro Tull

LT, there’s something happening here. For what it’s worth?

hunter1909

Absolutely zero worries about Oilers goalies given last night’s performance by Pickard.

All things being equal, you just add the McDavid connection and bang the drum you stand a chance in any playoff series.

Bruce McCurdy

Since giving up 5 to Chicago in the becoming-annual “Both Goalies Suck in Season Debuts” spectacle, Pickard has played 9 games in a row allowing 3 or fewer, & has won all 7 times the Oilers gave him any goal support at all (both losses were shutouts). 7 of 9 were quality starts.

Reja

Pickard has made it to league average if Skinner can continue his fine play he will reach the elusive 900 Mendoza line by Christmas.

OriginalPouzar

.900 is pretty much league average now I think.

Mendoza line has changed to well below I would suggest.

Ryan

It’s pretty astounding.

In 10 years, the league average has dropped from .915 to .900.

There’s been a concomitant increase in goals against average.

This is currently the worst league average save percentage since 1995.

Lewis Grant

Bring it on! This is the best hockey since…ever.

I recall, after watching the 2010 Olympics, how incredibly boring NHL hockey was. (Remember the Oilers trying to break out of their own zone?) That’s no longer a problem.

Harpers Hair

A function of speed and skill being prioritized from an early age in the development process and the resources needed to accomplish that.

I expect the recent NCAA decision to accept major junior players into college programs is going to accelerate this further.

Brantford Boy

LT: “It’s more Bruins than Oilers really”… I was thinking the exact same thing for long stretches of the game. Not sure if we’ve coined a phrase on this yet, but this ‘Oilers Zone’ is working tremendously. Perhaps it just took the coaching staff some video time with the players to iron out the wrinkles, and oh man is the PK clicking right now!

One thing for sure is this isn’t the ‘Eakins Swarm’, and if this is what he was trying to implement this group of players are mastering it.

cowboy bill

It’s really a combination of both. The Oilers work in the Ozone has been tremendous as well in the Dzone. The Oilers have become the Brulers.

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leadfarmer

The slaughter on the frozen water
and the murder in December
between game 4 of the SCF and last nights game I definitely got my moneys worth for goals lately
Woot

OriginalPouzar

Leon should be a legit candidate for the Selke at this point.

This award is, of course, for defenisve play but it always goes to a forward that is also high end offensively. Its really the “best 2-way player” and Drai has been elite 2-way all year long.

Take a look at his GA/60 and expected goal share numbers – legit tops in the league.

He takes all important faceoffs for the team as well.

leadfarmer

Absolutely but I’m sure it’s gonna be very reputational and he will get overlooked for a few years

pixel-bender

I’d argue voting for the best two-way forward makes perfect sense — it’s far better to have the puck deep in the offensive zone than in your own, so a certain level of offence would reflect that.

OriginalPouzar

If Bouch is out, I think you could try:

Nurse/Kulak
Ekholm/Emberson
Regula/Stecher

I have read that Regula plays both sides

The Nurse/Kulak pairing is so good that I think you just play them full time and as the top pairing and fade the 3rd pairing big time.

Maybe:

Ekholm/Kulak
Nurse/Stecher
Regula/Emberson

Also, I think there would be a chance they don’t send Dermott down today and play his as the left shot.

Lets not forget, Regula is coming of an injury and hasn’t played much. I think the plan is a conditioning stint (per Stauff).

Bruce McCurdy

PuckPedia on Regula:

Despite #NHLBruins waiving Alec Regula & #LetsGoOilers claiming him, he has not yet been activated off IR. 
Since he was injured prior to season, is on a 2-way contract & did not have any NHL days last year, he carries $0 cap hit until activated.

OriginalPouzar

Good info – I didn’t realize he was on opening day IR.

I don’t imagine the org is looking for him to play right now.

Imagine if Bouch is out for tomorrow and Dermott gets claimed….

To be honest, I’d prefer Kemp over Dermott but, of course, the organization forgot Kemp exists se we’d see Josh Brown.

cowboy bill

I think it’s safe to say that Dermott won’t be claimed. The Condors can use an experience LHD and Edmonton claimed Regula who they probably prefer over Dermott or any RHD with the Condor.

cowboy bill

I guess as it turns out the Wild can use an experienced LHD too.

OriginalPouzar

Evan Bouchard has found his high end game. Not only is he not making many overt mistakes (yes, I remember “the pass” against Tampa) but he’s also making high end defensive plays. He has made 4-5 wonderful zone entry denial plays in the last couple of games.

It would SUCK to lose this guy – the biggest minute muncher on the team and an absolute elite play driver.

With the afternoon game tomorrow and no morning skate, the team likely practices today (even though they flew home last night).

I don’t imagine Bouch will be on the ice but perhaps there is a real update – fingers cross – baited breath.

cowboy bill

It would be quite a story if Bouchard’s old D partner in London could step in an provide cover in his absence. I know it’s a bit of a gamble considering the next game is against Vegas & he’s just returning from injury. But I hope they activate him instead of simply inserting Dermott, who hasn’t played a game in a while either.