Roll Um Easy

by Lowetide
  • On the road to: VEG (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: CBJ, STL, TBAY (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 3-0-0)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: VEG, FLA, BOS, SJS, OTT (Expected 4-1-0) (Actual 4-1-0)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: UTA (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 9-4-0, 18 points in 13 games
  • December results: 8-2-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 21-11-2, 44 points in 34 games

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TheGreatBigMac

I like the top 3 lines from yesterday a lot. Could we try Skinner Nuge Perry and maybe have 2 3rd lines? Skinner and Perry the play makers and Nuge the defensive conscience and they all think the game at a high level. it could work.

Neumann

Nuge was missed on the PP last night. His importance on both special teams is clear. Arvi did a fine job and presented an opportunity for a new wrinkle. When a PP has been together and clearly successful for nearly 3 years and one of the key puck handlers goes out it is going to take a few reps to get up to speed especially when they go from 3 LH+2RH to 3RH+2LH. You could see the improvements as the game went on… Arvi established himself in a territory and they started moving the puck around as a stationary Powerplay with a few switches (Arvi and Hyman/97+29) and you saw less of the 97 wheel around the outside. Good options to have.

Ginch

Bouchard is not exceptional. He has great hands, great vision in certain situations, and is a very good attacking defenseman. He plays with two “exceptional” players so I would call him “exceptional” adjacent. Maybe I’ve just watched Quinn Hughes play too much the past couple of weeks…

cowboy bill

Whenever I watch the Canucks, I hardly even notice Quinn Hughes, maybe that’s how he’s so exceptional. The good ones you don’t notice until you can’t help but notice.

Bruce McCurdy

Whenever I watch the Canucks, I can’t help but notice Quinn Hughes who is the best player on the team. Incredibly elusive & smart as a whip.

JJS

I agree. Is he a bit like Whitney – great outlet pass, great PP point man? My memory is foggy and we only got the tail end of Whitney.

I really like Bouch. But he needs to keep the urgency level high at all times. He doesn’t have elite edges/explosiveness to get him out of trouble.

OriginalPouzar

Recall the playoffs the last two seasons.

Bouchard led the playoffs in scoring for d-men in 2023 – and only played 2 rounds.

He followed that up with breaking Paul Coffey assist records in 2024 while playing elite 2-ways.

The man is exceptional when it matters most.

Reja

82 game schedule is gruelling especially 1st pairing. I’ll take Bouchard when it counts not in game 27 after 3 games in 4 nights. The goal against Ottawa on the road is all you need to see to know their is more dynamics to come. Bouchard also will master that dangle move as he continues to gain confidence. The flood gates will open for Bouchard as he’s been snakebit on the goal front.

Ginch

I think he is a very good offensive damn, and I also think he very fortunate to play with two players who truly are, what I consider to be, exceptional. I remember the playoffs. He was outstanding.

who

I think you nailed it. The question is, what are you willing to pay him on his next contract. Bouchard at 3.9 million is a steal. Bouchard at 8 x 10 million makes me nervous. And I think the coach agrees.
For instance, Bouchard seems like the 6th best option on the PK. And it’s Emberson who is paired with Eckholm at the end of the game to protect the lead. That doesn’t look like a coach who really trusts Bouchard.
I really don’t know what I would do at this point. Maybe Bouchard has a great second half and playoffs and the decision becomes easy. But if he doesn’t,…….

Sierra

Does Hughes PK and protect the lead at the end of games?

who

I don’t think Hughes PKs. Don’t watch enough Vancouver games to remember who’s out there protecting leads.
My question to you is, if Bouchards second half and playoffs is similar to his first half, what are you willing to pay him?
If another team offered him 10 million as a RFA, would you match? Or would you take the draft picks?
If another team offered you a cheaper, quality RD and another significant piece, or pieces, would you trade him?
I’m betting these are things that Bowman is considering right now.

cowboy bill

Bouchard usually plays a big role in getting the lead. Does he really need to protect it at the end of the game too? Emberson is also Ekholm’s partner on the PK and Emberson could use the ice time. Bouchard gets plenty of ice time for a player the coach apparently doesn’t trust.

Last edited 39 minutes ago by cowboy bill
Bruce McCurdy

Playoff scpring leaders, last 2 seasons:

Bouchard 37 GP, 49 points
Heiskanen 38, 28
Montour 45, 24
Forsling 45, 21
Makar 17, 20
Ekholm 37, 17
Fox 23, 16

…but no, not exceptional at all.

YYCOil

Dam those Oilers, what do they expect me stress over for the next five days!

Sierra

what do they expect me stress over for the next five days

Apparently, Evan Bouchard.

cowboy bill

Christmas can be a stressful time of year all on its own.

Merry Christmas!!!

Jethro Tull

The team needs to help Boosh. The other teams are double manning him and our guys are smoke bombing like Shinobi when this happens.

cowboy bill

There’re a few guys on the team that get double manned. But that’s ok eventually someone breaks free, and it isn’t always the few that are being double manned.

Bruce McCurdy

Double teaming Bouchard brings the inherent risk that he will beat you with a pass to the open man. For all of his warts that are all over the internet at all times, the man also has some high-end skills, with elite passing at or near the top of the list.

Last edited 46 minutes ago by Bruce McCurdy
Jethro Tull

This is exactly why the opposing team presses him. They give him time back there and he’ll pick the lock.

who

SOMETIMES, he will pick the lock.
The most disturbing thing about Bouchards giveaways, is that a lot of them occur when he is under little, or no, pressure.
The goal he gave up last night occurred when he had full control of the puck, and plenty of time to make a play. He also turned the puck over on a 1st period PP from the left point. Very little pressure, and he put it right on a Senators stick at the faceoff dot.
LT talks about singular negative events, but there sure are a lot of them with Bouchard.
And again, a lot of them seem to be self inflicted, and not caused by heavy pressure from the opposition.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

It is possible to like what Bouchard brings, respect his immense talents, and also feel that for him to contribute the way he ought to, he needs to resolve a fixable element of his game, one that consistently leads directly to goals against. These are errors that have the potential to be deflating in big games. A bad turnover tends to reward the underserving opponent, they are not errors resulting from being outplayed or hemmed-in or out-skilled.

Expecting Bouchard to eliminate these unpredictable goal-costing turnovers from his game shouldn’t be some third rail. The goal-share is good. There’s room for it to get better and thats how the team will win a Cup.

This isn’t an inherent quality to his game, it can be fixed. Just please before the next best of seven.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

When is the last time we saw Darnell Nurse snow angel his way to a series of goals against off his ass or elbow? Its the same with Bouchard. Let’s get these guys both responsive to the moment and then we have some real scary potential.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Chelios is a Dinosaur
cowboy bill

I think it’s all so easy for Bouchard that he goes into autopilot, sometimes the opposition gets a stick in the way which can be bothersome. I mean most of these plays he makes he can do in his sleep and at times he even looks like he’s asleep. If he didn’t wake up for the playoffs I’d be concerned. But his attention to detail during the playoffs was exceptional.

godot10

The solution for the Larry Murphy problem was six other defensemen on the team who were superior defenders, and 14 forwards committed to 200 ft. hockey. A team can have one D, and one F, who are loose, but that is about it.

As long as Bouchard is the only guy, there really is no problem. We will point out the blunders though, and hopefully laugh at them, because the team is winning.

I don’t know what you pay him though.

Last edited 2 hours ago by godot10
cowboy bill

That’s the problem, at times Bouchard isn’t the only guy. Their commitment to defense however is improving. But defense is so boring, sometimes it’s hard not to cut loose and have a good laugh.

godot10

It is easier to replace the other guys, then to hope Bouchard gets fixed or fixes himself.

So Bouchard, like Larry Murphy, presents a challenge to management and the coach.

There is no right decision in choosing to commit to Bouchard or choosing not to. If one chooses Bouchard, a manage and coach has to accept the consequences of committing to Bouchard in terms of players on the remainder of the roster, and systems.

Scotty Bowman was able to do this, twice, in two different places, with Larry Murphy Other teams and coaches failed miserably or had varying degrees of success or failure.

cowboy bill

They have no difficulty committing to Connor & Leon, I suspect they feel the same way with Bouch. There’s just too much upside.

Louis Levasseur

This is exactly how I feel. I really like what he brings to the game, because his skill plays, even the subtle 10 foot pass, most players can’t make. I can live with the odd pass that goes astray, even if it leads to a goal against. What I don’t think is acceptable are the Hockey 101 errors, like trying to beat the oppostion at the blueline. I think his situational awareness needs to improve. He seems like he has a high hockey IQ, so he should be able to get those blunders out of his game.

Brantford Boy

During the Hyman board battle last night, I was suggesting to the TV after several Spicebox’s and Eggnog’s that he was doing great things in that battle to secure the Ozone. Then out came the elbow to the face of the Sens player. I also saw Draisaitl take the Tkachuk heavily into the boards for his pound of flesh on the wrong brother. For those clamoring for team toughness lately, I suggest it does exist. It arrives from the least expected players when the push back is necessary likely due to retaliation, and it’s all throughout the lineup.

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