Oilers at Penguins, G41 2024-25

by Lowetide
  • At home to: ANA (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: SEA, BOS, PIT, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: LAK (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: MIN, COL, VAN (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: WAS, VAN, BUF, SEA, DET (Expected 3-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 8-4-2, 18 points in 14 games
  • January result: 3-0-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 25-12-3, 53 points in 40 games
  • First Line (1-96)
  • No. 17 Connor McDavid 2.67
  • No. 19 Leon Draisaitl 2.64
  • No. 67 Connor Brown 2.14
  • Second Line (97-192)
  • No. 154 Zach Hyman 1.73
  • No. 160 Vasily Podkolzin 1.71
  • No. 160 Jeff Skinner 1.71
  • Third Line (193-288)
  • No. 194 (DNQ) Kasperi Kapanen 1.59
  • No. 220 Mattias Janmark 1.45
  • No. 224 Viktor Arvidsson 1.44
  • No. 279 Corey Perry 1.23
  • Fourth Line (289-384)
  • No. 294 Adam Henrique 1.13
  • No. 315 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.04
  • No. 315 Derek Ryan 1.04

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OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar

 January 9, 2025 6:32 pm

One more this period to cut the deficit to two would be nice….

Mission Accomplished!

jp

NUUUGGGEEE!!!!!!

90s fan

Get a 3rd goal here and the game becomes in reach.

90s fan

Ya, like that.

OriginalPouzar

A couple good squeeze outs by Emberson tonight on rushes by strong attackers – Crosby there.

danny

Tough game, could easily be 5-4.

I grew up a hardcore Oilers fan, living in a small rural Newfoundland town. When adults asked kids what their dream was, my dream was to grow up and move to edmonton and get season tickets.

I became an Eskimos fan, a brickmen fan, and a trappers fan.

Now 40 years later, I’m finally going to see the Oilers play in etown. My dad was a big Red Wings fan, me and his brother are flying in for the Det game, and the brother is a Leafs fan for the Sat game.

If there are any must see or must do things that yall recommend, let me know.

OriginalPouzar

One more this period to cut the deficit to two would be nice….

prefonmich

Mcdavid needs to shoot there!

Bobcaygeon

Coach K not pulling Skinner after the 3rd goal might cost the Oilers the game.

90s fan

Giving him the opportunity to try to collect himself is also important.

OriginalPouzar

How the hell does he score from there….?

prefonmich

Repeatedly.. it’s unbelievable

jp

One would think that’s all she wrote after failing to keep pace on the special teams goals near the midway point of the game. But we will see.

jp

Forgot to mention Ned also playing out of his mind.

jp

(posted that seconds before Draisaitl’s 2nd)

prefonmich

I’d pull Skinner- Oilers not showing up tonight.

OriginalPouzar

Oilers will need a goal or two from the depth tonight – can’t reasonably expect the load up line to take care of the entire comeback.

jp

lol

jp

Oilers need at least 1 goal from the depth (non Connor-Leon) lines in order to get back into this one.

Bobcaygeon

I wonder why coach Knoblauch is so opposed to taking a time out? I’m a big coach K fan but that was bewildering to me not to take a T-out or even pull Skinner.

sometimes a reset is a good thing.

Moonlight

Shades of McLellan

prefonmich

What exactly inspired Jeff Jackson to sign Josh Brown? Much less for three years?! Not seeing one reason other than size and he is another block for guys that might genuinely earn a call up.

prefonmich

That was Ugly!

Ranford.85

I agree 100%, though ‘ugly’ might be an understatement.

fishman

I think we pull this out and win 8-7! Pond hockey returns!

DevilsLettuce

Pill Skinner

fishman

Give Stu the mercy pull……

prefonmich

Haven’t seen this level of shite defending for a while

jp

My goodness, they’re overcommitting on everything tonight.

Everyone chasing and no one considers picking up O’Connor there.

OriginalPouzar

Awesome work Josh Brown….. sigh.

fishman

Seriously he is a pylon.

OriginalPouzar

That won’t help Skinner stay up the lineup…..

prefonmich

Big goal after more terrible own zone play

fishman

Well there’s one back!!!! Atta boy Drai with the finish after rush by Connor.

Craig The Keg

That rush was actually by Hyman. Showed great speed there.

jp

Very glad Leon was there to pick up the garbage.

Not exactly an easy convert either.

OriginalPouzar

Nice finish Drai!

Quite the rush there.

fishman

After such a stellar performance in Boston this is unexpected. 3 goals allowed in 10 minutes??? Yikes.

Tarkus

Michaels is mailing it in like the Oilers so far.

OriginalPouzar

Kulak culpable on two goals in a row (and could have been three) – tough start for him.

jp

Penguins channeling 2016. Wow.

Skinner back under .900 now as well.

Reja

Pull him he needs a reset.

jp

The entire team does.

49 minutes of hockey left though.

Hockey Project

Oof. What a dreadful period.

OriginalPouzar

Notable save by Skinner on Accari off the rush there – right in on the goalie.

OriginalPouzar

Not on the next shot though.

OriginalPouzar

Future Oilers Marcus Pettersson on the scoresheet with an assist….

OriginalPouzar

Great defence by Janmark covering for a poor step-up from Brown looking for, but not getting, a hit.

OriginalPouzar

Crazy shift by that 2nd line – Arvidsson, crazy tenacity.

OriginalPouzar

Bouch should have ripped that one from there….

Tarkus

If you are defending against an Oiler who has the option to pass or shoot, you play the pass. And you would be right at least 90% of the time.

Scungilli Slushy

Here’s a look at how the 13 teams are doing against playoff teams. It’s not completely straightforward to track as teams fade or get hot, jump in and out of playoff positions, but I think it’s pretty accurate:

Team/GP Against Playoff Teams/Wins/Losses/Win%

Caps 24/15/9/62.5%
Knights 21/13/8/62%
Panthers 24/13/11/54%
Bolts 22/12/10/54.5%
Jets 19/11/8/58%
Leafs 18/11/7/61%
Canes 20/11/9/55%
Oilers 20/10/10/50%
Stars 18/9/9/50%
Kings 15/8/7/53%
Wild 18/8/10/44%
Devils 19/8/11/42%
Avs 16/6/10/37.5%

You’d assume games against playoff teams would even out fairly close. The Caps and Panthers then look to roll on an easier sched. The Kings can hopefully fade a bit as it gets harder

The Avs had the injuries and goalie troubles, but are going to have to play well against a more difficult sched. Although it doesn’t look like they’ll get caught out of a wildcard spot

Traveller

Some discussion here and it past weeks about why does Knoblauch keep RNH on Connor’s wing despite his pedestrian 5 on 5 points production. Here is the tale of the tape of this season’s 5 on 5 on-ice scoring per Naturalstattrick which may shed some light on his decision:

McDavid w/ Leon – w/o Nuge: 200 minutes 4.79 GF/60 2.1 GA/60 70% goal share
McDavid w/ Nuge – w/o Leon: 308 minutes 3:31 GF/60 2.34 GA/60 59% goal share
McDavid w/o Nuge or Leon: 118 minutes 2.03 GF/60 5.07 GA/60 29% goal share
Leon w/o Nuge/McDavid: 427 minutes 2.24 GF/60 1.54 GA/60 59% goal share
Nuge w/o Leon/McDavid 182 minutes 1.64 GF/60 2.33 GA/60 42% goal share
w/o Nuge/Leon/McDavid 740 minutes 2.11 GF/60 2.19 GA/60 49% goal share

As yet, the team this year hasn’t found a configuration with Connor that does not include either Leon or Nuge that works well. And though Nuge isn’t putting up many points, while he is on with McDavid, the line still producing at decent levels and with a 60% goal share.

Last season, the McDavid/Nuge combo had an on ice of 4.13 GF/60 2.64 GA/60 61% goal share. The totals are down somewhat so far this year and even though the percent shares are the same, last season they were outscoring the opposition by around 1.5 g/60while this season only 1 g/60.

That McDavid and Hyman have both missed games and Hyman has been shuffled around lately may have affected their overall chemistry a bit. The good news is in the last 20 games, McDavid/RNH on ice without Leon is 3.64 GF/60 vs 1.52 GA/60 so trending in the right direction.

If you’re outscoring the other team, no one cares who gets the points. Especially all the guys whose contracts are locked in for several years. Another Art Ross by itself won’t influence McDavid’s next contract.

One final note, its great to see that the bottom 6 (w/o Nuge/Leon/McDavid is a pretty reasonable proxy still) is holding its own at 49%, one goal shy of 50/50. They just need to get that to the point where it can be sustained through the playoffs.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Traveller
Reja

It’s time for our depth to start nibbling away at the scoresheet. Brown and Skinner are in a contract year Arvidsson and Henrique are decade old goal producers it’s time for a push from these 4 if they are to score 18-20 goals.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Unless their minutes increase/they start getting PP time, I doubt any of them hit 20. Especially Henrique and Brown.

jp

I doubt any of them hit 20. Especially Henrique and Brown.

The current lines holding would definitely help both Henrique and Brown towards that goal.

leadfarmer

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5930082/2025/01/09/stars-nhl-prospect-rankings-2025/?source=user_shared_articleDallas Stars are No. 31 in 2025 NHL prospect pool rankings 

looks like Dallas’ never ending pool of prospects has dried up

Harpers Hair

A function of consistently superb drafting and development.

The current Stars roster has 12 players drafted by the team including their entire top 6, the 3 best D and and top tier starting goaltender.

Worth mentioning that their AHL team in Frisco is 2nd in the Central Division, second in the entire league in GF and has 3 of the top 20 scorers in the league.

Side

You don’t have to get mad.

DevilsLettuce

Would love to see Nuge pot his 5th in the last 7 tonight and continue on with his 5 game point streak.

Crush the Pens with the forward depth, further pushing Bowman to look at spending his cap space on a partner for Nurse.

Death By Misadventure

I was very much on board with punting Pods off Drai’s wing due to lack of scoring numbers, but I’ve realized ultimately what matters is that the line outscores. And they do. Spectacularly. Don’t fix what’s not broken. And Arvidsson isn’t really going yet.

MushedPeas

i too am waiting for an Arvidsson heater.

OriginalPouzar

I think he’s a PPG since he came back from injury.

jp

3-4-7 in his last 7 games (and +6), but he was pointless in his first 2 games back.

OriginalPouzar

Thank you.

Death By Misadventure

Loving the comments section today. Lots of great ideas, well said. Thank You.

1952barry

not a fan of Hyman on 3rd line with Brown on 1st

813.52Ran

Better to have Hyman and not need him on the 1st line than to need him on the 1st line and not have him.

wkorkie

As to Podkolzin, I could not agree more. His role on the line is to get his jersey dirty and get the puck to Leon. Not only is he physical and durable enough to do that consistently, he makes a lot of subtle, clever plays in doing so. Once Leon gets the puck, it may move a couple times, so often Podkolzin doesn’t get the puck back or any credit on the scoresheet.

The main thing he needs to work on, is touch around the net because that’s when the boxcars will start to shine. He’s 23, and I think that will come.

John Chambers

$1M this season and next!

Whaler Slamamoto

Don’t forget the face punching he did early in the season, definitely spared Leon some extra lumber/lumbar cheapshots. Hairy assed!

Pretendergast

Stauffer mentions Tuch as a potential option with his 4+M cap.

Also says Oil will take a run at Lachance, Berezkhin, and Fischer.

John Chambers

What I remember from Tuch as a Knight is that he’s a work-rate machine who can make and finish plays.
A young Zach Hyman clone.
+36 on the Sabres over the last 3 seasons which seems impossible

pixel-bender

Not to doubt you Mr Chambers but I had to go and verify that immediately, and yes, somehow Tuch is consistently an outscoring forward on the Buffalo Sabres.

Mind bending.

jp

+36 on the Sabres over the last 3 seasons which seems impossible

Thompson and Tuch were Skinner’s most common linemates his last 2 years in Buffalo.

Those 2 seasons Skinner was +30 at 5v5 (led the team), Tuch +26 and Thompson +19.

The 3 together had a 54% goal share (819 min), Skinner-Tuch were 63% (363 min) and Skinner without the others was 60% (457 min). Tuch without the other two was 50% (381 min).

Tuch would be a nice add, period, but the successful history with Skinner is an added plus.

Death By Misadventure

Haven’t paid attention at all on Tuch in the last few years, but from the little I remember, I would love to have him on the Oilers. Anybody got any numbers handy?

OriginalPouzar

I would have thought another year in school for Paul Fischer (unless they think there is signing risk if they let him get close to his senior year).

Traveller

Probably talking about Christian Fischer in Detroit.

OriginalPouzar

I presume he’d talking about Oilers property (draft picks).

jp

Lachance, Berezkhin, and Fischer” would imply the prospect.

anonymous

Tuch would be amazing. Not sure what would go back. O’reilly+?

Perfect fit.

leadfarmer

Its always what you produce minus what you give up. Some players like Podkolzin dont produce a ton but give up very little in return. Some players like Mackinnon produce an absolute ton, but give quite a bit back. The former tend to be a lot cheaper than the latter.

Pretendergast

Taken to the extreme you become the New York Islanders.

leadfarmer

And also when comparing skinner being in the same range as Hyman and Podkolzin. Well you are only looking at one end of the ice. Now look at goals against and all will be revealed

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Look at Skinner’s career goal shares. They are not bad considering he played on some awful teams. I think you (many fans) overstate Skinner’s poor defensive play. The guy just just needs to be deployed properly.

leadfarmer

He’s winning the green jacket by quite a significant margin.
I don’t think it’s unfair to suggest that his positive impact is on the offensive side of the ice.

cowboy bill

I’m sure glad they took Ekholm instead of Chychrun.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

lol can you imagine?

MushedPeas

Holy man. I cannot.

finn_fann

The nice thing about podkolzin is he contributes positively to puck possession, seems to be defensively aware, and plays a style that will translate well to the grind of the playoffs. I don’t care how much he scores as long as his line is trucking along at 55-60% goal share – that is absolutely a solid result given he is lining up against other team’s best on a regular basis.

Take all of that and then factor in that he is actually scoring at a reasonable rate for a second line player, and you basically have an ideal “complementary” player. He‘s not quite an Ekholm-level acquisition, but in a similar way he helps the whole team by pushing other capable forwards down the roster where they can hopefully start to roll over other teams’ bottom 6.

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