I love watching the smart hockey math people discover new things. I read Dom Luszczyszyn and Shayna Goldman at The Athletic, Travis Yost at TSN, Meghan Chayka at Stathletes, Rachel Doerrie at Betalytics, and I pay close attention to Puck IQ and what the numbers say on that site. Every once in a blue moon my friend Darcy McLeod will drop me a line and help with insight, and I appreciate him very much.
I used to read all of the analytics folks, but found most were selling bibles. “I’ve found the truth and the light!” should serve as warning for all, in any area of life.
The analytics industry used to be “I think you’re on the right track, but why not try this” and it worked for me as a reader and adult learner. You know, that’s how Corsi inspired Fenwick, just folks talking about what had value and what did not have value.
Now the verbal from much of the analytics folks is “here’s why you’re stupid” followed by mocking of reader, and possibly the player being discussed. I hate bullies, and even though it’s a stretch to call the math people bullies (and unfair to call them nerds), there is an enormous amount of “I’m smart, you are dumb” in the hockey analytics industry.
So, what should we value? I start with Puck IQ. Did you know that the order of qual comp (versus elites) from the trade deadline to the end of the season (the blue) went: Evan Bouchard (67 minutes), Darnell Nurse (61 minutes), Brett Kulak (58 minutes), Jake Walman (56 minutes), Troy Stecher (35), Ty Emberson (27)? Mattias Ekholm, John Klingberg, Cam Dineen and Josh Brown played fewer than 10 games, so I won’t quote there here.
What can we learn from this? Well, based on the deployment in the Stanley Cup playoffs, John Klingberg has emerged as a real going concern and the coaching staff loves him with Jake Walman. The two men have played just shy of 200 minutes together, are 6-6 goals and have an expected goal share of 57 percent.
Evan Bouchard gets belittled on the daily, here and elsewhere. It’s kind of a test to see if people obsess about single events. Bouchard is 4-2 goals in 48 minutes with Mattias Ekholm (58 percent expected); 7-1 goals in 130 minutes with Brett Kulak (65 percent expected); 5-8 with Darnell Nurse in 92 minutes (55 percent expected).
Ironically, Nurse away from Bouchard is 9-7 goals but owns a 45 percent expected goal share. Nurse-Kulak is 2-6 goals (45 percent expected) in 124 minutes, after going 44 percent goal share in 399 regular-season minutes.
I’m always worried about trusting the math in under 200 minutes. I do think we can trust the Nurse-Kulak math, and suggest the coaching staff needs to check down from that pairing.
Keep Ekholm-Bouchard, Walman-Klingberg says the math. I’m not sure Kris Knoblauch will adhere to that advice, and I do trust the coach to perform a resurrection shuffle on the blue.
We wait. We can also be satisfied that no one was called stupid or ignorant in this discussion, and not one of us attempted to sell a bible.
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Almost game time, Oilers! You got this, guys. Let’s go Oilers, this is our year! 🏒🥅🏒
Still can’t believe Bouchard kept that puck in against Byfield. That series is over if Byfield is able to chip it out
— if Oilers don’t “fall” on Bob going forward they are being schooled in gamesmanship.
— It would be very disappointing if no falls.
— Surprisingly this hasn’t been discussed
Guarantee it gets an instant penalty, major or suspension if we do it.
They shouldn’t care.
Thats what Max Joneses are for.
Ha. Max Joneses don’t get into the lineup to do such things. Someone ought to lose an edge and lose it hard.
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Colour me worried about RNH and, by extension, the rest of the team. A virus running through the team would be awful timing
He is obviously injured.
Evander Kane was taking faceoffs last game.
I didn’t notice that (except for centres getting thrown out seemingly every time). I figured it was illness because Brown was gtd with an illness for game 1.
I’ve heard some rumblings of what the injury is and, if true, its not good.
Not at liberty to disclose (and its not official but I respect the person who told me – 100% wouldn’t mention if he didn’t believe to be true – totally hearsay though).
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I just wanted to mention Bowman’s signings. Very interesting moves adding a handful of unorthodox offense generators in Carfagna, Leppänen, and Marjala. All of them seem to be thinking 2 or 3 steps ahead, very interesting players.
My hope is their addition unlocks Petrov and possibly Samanski. Thus far, IMHO, when adding in Hutson and Tomasek into the mix, this has been the most inspiring collection of non-NHL signings in the organization’s history.
Add Jarventie as well, who by all accounts had fled the coop, and there is substantial potential added to a previously offensively challenged Condors roster.
I am very excited to see what the summer brings.
Listening to 32 Thoughts on the drive back from Edmonton and Friedman things that Gulutzan will be someone that could be in the conversation for the Stars’ coaching job.
Much chatter today that the Stars are waiting for the Abbotsford Canucks to end their AHL season so they can talk to Manny Malholtra.
More likely their own guy Texas coach Neil Graham.
Would that really be much of a loss?
How many different looks has the power play had during Gulutzan’s tenure?
The PP, with Leon, McDavid and Nuge was last in the NHL when Gully was hired – of course, McDavid and Leon have vastly developed as players which has more to do with the 180 than anything.
In any event, i do know that Knob has been extremely complimentary of Gully and I’m sure his day to day and role on the team has more going on than the PP.
Are people really blaming Bouchard on the game winner? I saw it as terribly unlucky. The rim was going right to him, hit a stantion and popped right to Lundell. He was already heading north and Marchand was heading south hoping for a bounce and he got it. “Lazy” backcheck is more of a controlled backcheck as he’s not catching Marchand and is finding the next threat.
You can say he needs to be safer there but that’s 1970s thinking. That was a 90/10 puck and you absolutely have a green light to go there.
Credit Marchand too who has made a career of being opportunistic…math is that even if cheating goes his way 5% of the time that outweighs F5 being a little out of position.
Not only calling him out but, yesterday, there were posts about Bouchard costing the team the Stanley Cup and today, totally with disregard to what’s happed in the playoffs, about McDavid needing to outscore Bouchard’s mistakes.
Bouchard was the last man, with no support. All the forwards were down low, and Ekholm had creeped well inside the blue line to take the shot.
The puck was literally coming right to him at the point, with time and space – Lundell recognized that and cut to the middle to take that lane away from Bouchard – the puck took a bad hop and kicked out.
That was 100% a bad bounce – Bouch didn’t make a bad play there.
If Bouchard was any further back he would of been out of the zone being useless when they were clearly pushing to score.
Florida capitalized on a short series of small bounces and it won them the game.
I hope the Oilers continue to push, works out well for them when they do.
Why was the last goal on Bouchard?? He was covered by Leon. Marchand did not even get a shot off!!
I’m curious LT, did the dynasty islanders or the cup winning Flyers teams use similar tactics as Bennett? Injuring goalies that is?
My memories only go back to early 90s and I can’t recall anything like it. Especially such repeated offenses.
My guess is the repercussions from players was enough to prevent such blatant behavior but was it?
No, they did not.
However in the 80’s Billy Smith would Paul Bunyan anyone near his crease and a few years later the Flyers Ron Hextall also often took matters into his own hands.
The crease was also smaller then and in the 90’s crease crashing was common, also the best version of Glenn Anderson would often collide with the tender.
That being said, crease crashing seems to have started taking off in the early 90’s which led to the crease rule and larger crease.
Crease crashing took off when they made the nets dislodgeable. Pretty much only Glenn Anderson was crease crashing at high speed when the nets were anchored.
My 90s memories recall Eddie the Eagle enthusiastically hacking ankles in the blue paint.
He taught a bit of his wily ways to Turco but that style was going out of vogue by that time.
— cleaning out garage 10 garbage bags deep
— had to stop: just all time epic sporting event : changing of the guard next gen 1 vs 2 5th set
— no dog in the fight : juste “allez”!!!
Reports on TSN say RNH will be a game time decision for tomorrow. DNB put out on X that KK confirmed this, but also said that he will likely play. So that’s good news for now, can’t afford for him to miss time
borrow Ekholms hyperbaric chamber
The biggest thing I see when watching this series is the Oilers failing to carry possession all the way into the attacking zone. They keep turning it over and the puck comes back into the oiler’s zone. I don’t think there’s a general problem with defending, just giving the Panther’s too many chances to come bring it in and set up.
in game one, it was mostly getting out of the D-zone (especially the Nurse-Kulak pairing). The problem looked to me like it was more an issue of forwards not giving the D good targets. They really improved that in G2, but are now sometimes getting caught in long stretches where they lose possession on very entry. If they can sort that out, they’ll dominate possession and scoring chances.
https://x.com/bob_stauffer/status/1931754020026359897?s=61
The @EdmontonOilers practice:
J. Skinner-McDavid-Perry
Kane-Draisaitl-Kapanen
Frederic-Henrique-Brown
Podkolzin-Janmark-Arvidsson
Nurse-Bouchard
Kulak-Walman
Ekholm-Klingberg
Skinner
Pickard
(RNH not on ice)
Not sure Nurse is the solution to Bouchard’s occasional lapses. Kulak was solid there. Intrigued about Ekholm and Klingberg
Coffey doesn’t seem to be getting the news. Maybe Ek is rusty but Nurse is the guy they need to shelter/protect/help right now
I will say Nurse’s skating could be an asset when Bouchard pinches. In the defensive zone I have concerns.
Wouldn’t playing him with the best playoff d-man in the game help him?
But I absolutely hate those pairings. Nurse Bouch just doesnt work. Why not just do Kulak Bouch that we do know worked. Nurse cant pass on his good side anyway so why not move him
Changes all pairings instead of inserting 51 🙃
I would almost consider playing Nurse as a forward to take Fredericks spot and crash and bang into everything in sight
That’s a wild idea but may just work.
Yeah, I like it. Play Nurse with Janmark & RV, put Podz up with McDavid & Perry while Nuge recovers.
Read an article that discussed an interview with Stu’s wife. She says the family received death threats. That, is unacceptable, that stuff bothers me more than any action Bennet could take.
Agreed. It’s a sport, entertainment. There is no justification for behaviour like this no matter what. I understand we are all passionate about our team but this is way over the top. Athletes are human beings too, their job is just different. What drives a person to behave this way?
Degenerate gamblers would be my first guess… In fact, I’d put money on it!
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A lack of getting caught. If they put a few of these types away for a while it would happen a lot less. I think those in charge should have people dedicated to keeping an eye on public figures (of all stripes), regular police don’t have the time and IT resources to deal with it, but it can be
The interview is with Breaking the Ice pod, link is here: Behind the Stanley Cup Finals: Goalie Wife Life with Chloe Skinner
That part of the interview starts at 33:40 and continues for about 10 minutes.
RNH not on the ice. Skinner filling in. Apparently he was hit by Walman’s shot on Perry’s tying goal.
Through two games Bob had been a wall. Maybe only one bad goal to Arvidsson.
I foresee the Oilers getting through to Bob in Florida, a 3-goal period would give us a cushion to deploy our “championship defense” formation.
I believe George Parros of Player Safety needs to say something. The NHL needs to have foresight and prevent something more serious from happening. Bennet crashing into the goalie and having injured 3 goalies already, is one thing. Next time, it could very well end up differently. How about Skinner accidentally stepping on his face or neck with his skate? The officiating and video review have left goalies unsure of which way the call is going to go, especially when everyone knows he is intentionally going to crash into them. If I were an NHL goalie, I wouldn’t care at this point if I stepped on anyone crashing my crease, knowing full well I need to make the save.
I said it before. Allowing this to continue is a mockery of the game. If Bennett has inside position in front of the net, how can you push him out? He’s simply going to fall on the goalie with even the slightest contact. It’s good to see he was penalized last game for this buffoonery. We can only hope the NHL has sent a clear and strong message that this won’t be tolerated. How it got to this point is mind boggling.
Teams are lemmings to the cliff. If this is allowed to go on, many will try it as taking out the starter really boosts your odds, and Bennett has received little consequence. The unintended consequence which will of course blind side them is the return of the ‘enforcer’ – the extra that is expendable hockey wise. Whose only job is to take out the offender or his goalie, as a tactic or a response. No plausible enforcement leads to vigilantes, just like it has before
Sure, penalizing that behaviour is absolutely required… BUT, a 2 minute penalty for attempting and maybe succeeding in causing injury to our keeper is far from adequate. Time to get some of our beef on the edge of the blue paint, right in front of Bob and fall hard but awkwardly on his legs… maybe use Frederic, he’s the “most disposable” should the stripes rule against us.
So you think Aiden hill would take this? He’d be blocker punching Bennet into oblivion.
The Goalie should just fall on Bennett when he pulls that stunt.
Would be sad if he landed on Bennet’s face or ankle, or if the goalies stick was in between the two of them when he fell.
The little WWE skit Chuckie acted out in the penalty box was an embarrassment to the league too bad they didn’t care to do anything about it.
The next logical step is to bring out folding chairs and ladders onto the ice.
When Bennett crowds his crease Skinner needs to hack the ankle just above the boot.
If looking to the large samples of the regular season for hints of what might be to come, Stecher jumps from the spreadsheet as Nurse’s most common partner.
Calling-out Bouchard for two terrible penalties, and two poor-reads on set plays by Marchand/Florida, which ended in almost identical goals against, isn’t belittlement. I don’t see a lot of belittlement here.
The low-floor and high-ceiling that you often ascribe to this Edmonton Oilers’ team is perfectly evident within Bouchard as a player, and happens within single games.
To a large extent the outcomes of games ride on how he plays, the floor he sets for himself, and the way he negotiates single events. He is without a doubt one of the most influential Oilers in terms of outcome, and is one of the most influential skaters.
It makes sense that folks take issue with his individual plays. The perspective that these “do not matter”, is a curious artefact of public analytics.
There’s a difference between calling our Bouchard, saying he needs to be better in those situations and also not recognizing the good he does the rest of the game that usually largely outweighs the bad.
If, as you put it, “To a large extent the outcomes of games ride on how he plays…”, they are in the Stanley Cup finals for the second year in a row, with him being the second ppg defenceman all time in the playoffs behind Bobby Orr. With a Corsi of 57.4% at even strength, Fenwick of 56.7%, on ice goal differential of 31-19. He contributes a lot more to winning than losing. Does he make
mistakes? Yes. Does Mcdavid make mistakes? Yes. Is he more likely to make a mistake after player 35 minutes and have a HOF, Stanley cup winner, player who has the most active short handed goals in the league, 8th all time pressuring him, I’d guess, probably.
Re: Bouchard, fairly certain that is what daniel implied
When poor individual plays happen is a big thing. All players make mistakes, but the best players focus on getting the job done when it matters most. It’s one thing to be beat by a solid team or individual play, like McDavid setting up Drai on that PP last game – there was no stopping that
It’s another thing to make a poor play that is avoidable and ruins the effort of the team over a hard fought game, and chances at winning the championship. I keep mentioning Strudwick saying some guys never get it. It’s up to the GM to move on from those players and find ones that do the job better, mistake prone players who are experienced aren’t going to change or move past it
I think it’s incompetent or irresponsible to keep Nurse and Kulak together. It’s not team building time it’s Cup winning time, whoever helps the most plays. Go 11-7 for a game and see if Stecher helps more, if they are too nervous just to pull Kulak. Size isn’t really the issue, Kulak isn’t physical anyway, it’s who can help beat the forecheck and raise Nurse to a good enough level
Those penalties you bring up mattered, but at the same time I think I have grace for him in that he is coming to understand that he has to play by a different rule book then say Bennet, who is allowed to retaliate with impunity.
Of course single events matter. The single events we discuss are the ones that mattered the most.
Bouchard has to be the highest event player on our team no!? It drives people wild. Things happen when he’s on the ice.
I like him a lot, but at times I wish for a more stable vanilla player. Like when was the last time I was upset with Stecher?
1) The “terribleness” of those plays can be HIGHLY debated – particular the OT goal.
2) More to the point, the “issue” is calling out Bouchard for last night and simply ignoring 9 straight playoff games of, not only continued historic production, but elite, best d-man in the world, 2-way play.
Not to mention, the worst d-man on the ice last night was Ekholm.
Two goals were exact carbon copies of each other. But you honestly think that’s just bad luck? How naive.
Nobody on Lowetide ignored his production. And you still won’t let it go. You are obsessive and you bully.
They were certainly not carbon copies of each other, in my opinion.
The first one had a 50/50 battle which his forward lost and, yes, Bouchard likely should have retreated given the 50/50 battle – it could/should be noted that (1) a poor play by Drai put Nuge in that battle and (2) McDavid was actually in the neutral zone, saw Bouchard not retreat while Nuge had the 50-50 battle and continued in to the offensive zone – McDavid could also have provided the support and made an even riskier play.
The second one started on a terrible missed shot by Ekholm, noted by the coach and Bouchard was actually in fine position – that chance was not lack of support on a 50-50 battle but an unlucky bounce off the boards that popped it out – Bouchard would have had no issues keeping that puck in.
The main issue of these posts ragging on Bouchard for “costing the Stanley Cup” or “requiring McDavid to outscore Bouchard’s mistakes is the complete discounting of the elite 2-way play for 9 straight games combined with continued historic production.
He’s all but an all-time playoff great and one meh game (while he had 3 points) in the midst of all time play is highlighted as unacceptable and egregious.
Yes, his play over the last 9 games has been completely ignored when statements regarding him costing the cup and McDavid needing to outscore Burchard’s mistakes are being made.
I note that McDavid is 60%% goal share with Bouchard and 45.45% without him (Bouchard goes up to 62.5% goal share without McDavid).
I note the McDavid is 20-16 goals and Bouchard is 25-16 goals at 5 on 5.
Are you ok?
The Oilers are not going to win the Stanley Cup if the Oilers need McDavid to make all world plays to get a goal while Florida gets two easy ones because Bouchard makes pee wee level bad decisions at the offensive blue line, or in boxing out in front of the net.
When the mean levels of play rise to the highest levels in the Stanley Cup finals, variance from the mean becomes more important to determining the winner than the level of the mean. i.e. the fatness of the tails of the distribution begins to matter.
Can McDavid outscore Bouchard’s mistakes? How fat is the Oilers right tail compared to its left one? The opposition impacts the right tail far more than the left tail. The left tail is what a team has more control over.
The higher the level of play, the more Bouchard’s mistakes begin to matter. Three in one game was too much in game two.
When one is down to seven games, single events matter.
In investing, when one has a long term horizon, when you need your money twenty years from now, volatility/variance is your friend. When one has a short term horizon, when you need your money next week, volatility/variance is your enemy.
They used to hammer on Coffey as well calling him a 4th forward. Bouchard like Coffey play such a high octane game that he’s in the love or dislike column. Bouchard missed 2 glorious chances to put us up 4-2 and probably missed 5-6 excellent chances in the first 2 games. Using his cap money who do you replace him with?
This level of assessment is what got Pete Debour fired.
Are the Oilers tied 1-1 in the SCF without Bouchard?
Wouldn’t that be determined by who replaces him?
It would be, yes!
In consideration of your vast insight on the NHL salary cap, who would you recommend that could replace Bouchard for $3.9 million?
10 straight games of continued historic playoff production and elite 2-way play.
To reference needing to “outscore Bouchard’s mistakes” is laughable in my opinion.
I note that McDavid is 60%% goal share with Bouchard and 45.45% without him (Bouchard goes up to 62.5% goal share without McDavid).
I note the McDavid is 20-16 goals and Bouchard is 25-16 goals at 5 on 5.
Wins and statistics from previous series or seasons do not mean anything in the current seven game series. Variance from established levels of play matter more than ever versus historic levels of play in a short series, particularly in the finals when the levels are both high and close.
Risk management in short time horizons is much more critical than over long time horizons. A negative fluctuation in a short time frame may not be recoverable in a short time frame. Discrete events matter in a short series.
You are arguing levels in an environment where variance from the established level is more important.
In a seven game series, left tail variance in a single game can matter a great deal.
I don’t know what most of those words and phrases means but I think I can gleam that it does mean that the prior 3 series should be discounted so we can bash Bouchard one two perceived bad plays.
Good thing the likes of McDavid and Ekholm (the latter awful on Friday) aren’t held to that standard.
McDavid and Ekholm were not primarily responsible for 3 GA in game 2 because of bad decisions.
Bouchard was not primarily responsible for 3GA in game 2 because of bad decisions.
That’s exactly what it means. There’s a reason Godot has barely been here for 3 series.
The boys play a simple game on the road maybe being away from crazy Edmonton will have them focusing on not pressing and letting the game come to them.
We are looking for small advantages. Will d pairing switch be the answer to winning? Frederic swapped out? Or similar tweaks?
I have no idea, the teams are so close, so any advantage could have weight.
Florida system has now become somewhat predictable . High pressure. Breakout strong side, Consistent board presence and pinch at blueline. Is there a set play the Oilers can utilize?
It may not be systems. Might just be who wins the small battles, works harder, makes the fewest mistakes. I think it will just come down to this factor, with Oilers higher skill players finishing more.
Spot on. Coaching staff has three options.
1 leave lineup as is
2 swap Frederic for JSkin
3 change the D pairings (I love Stecher – they are going to keep their 6 best DMen in the lineup)
From what we know about this team and coaching staff is that they get better as series go on. They are playing a great opponent. These are the two best teams in the NHL, the margins are razor thin.
I believe the coach will employ other options (i.e. make other adjustments) that are not personnel or deployment related.
I’m sure they are working on minor tweaks to their retrieval and breakout structure game that will be much more material.
Yup, I think the middle of the ice is open. It’s dangerous, but it’s open.
Walman/Klingberg are 6-6 goals and 56% expected goals in 196 minutes – playoffs. I don’t think this pairing “can’t be broken up”.
Nurse/Walman are 8-2 goals and 62% expected goals in 105 minutes – regular season.
I think Nurse/Walman is worth a real look and, with Kulak/Bouchard at7-1 goals and 65% expected goals in 130 playoff minutes, I think the “fix” seems obvious.
It really seems like the following is obvious:
Kulak/Bouchard
Nurse/Walman
Ekholm/Klingberg
Of course, there is so much more than real goal share and expected goal share but, at the end of the day, the ONLY thing that matters is real goal share – maybe the stated goal share of the proposed pairings is running luck or there are other reasons to not go to it but, well, their small samples of success could be enough for a Stanley in a best of 5.
One of the things we don’t know is how injured Walman (and others) are. Seems by TOI and qual comp the staff is fading him. That might be a sign of injury that is impacting quality of performance.
There are times that Walman seemed beat up. He blocked quite a few
pucks. Hopefully the extra day helped
They could consider giving Walman a rest and play Stecher with Nurse. Walman probably won’t require rest, it’s the SCF.
I don’t think they are “resting” any material player in the Stanley Cup Final – Walman will play unless he’s too injured to play.
I may have missed this from others but the “Nurse fix” is Stetcher….lets go 11 – 7 dress Stetcher and play as needed
I would say no to 11-7 but if you want to throw Stecher in for a game it should be beside Nurse. Need to play all 4 lines and wear them out. Keep having D pinch deep to hold pucks in and ensure a forward is back to cover if it’s knocked out. Bouch is doing phenomenal; so well that his price tag keeps going up. This is 3 playoffs in a row he has performed like a superstar.
11-7 is terrible.
the goal is repairing the hole that Nurse has dug
I don’t take out a d-man for an inferior d-man. There are other ways, including, without limitation, Nurse/Walman who has 105 minutes of high end success during the regular season.