When I was a young person, the New York pro teams looked this way: The Knicks were old and very good, so good they would win a championship with a team full of men who could ride the bus on the cheap because they were so aged; The Mets, who had a pitching staff for the ages, led by Tom Seaver; The Yankees, who were about 81-81 each season, led by a man named Bobby Murcer who had to pay for the sin of not being Mickey Mantle; and the NY Rangers, who were good but couldn’t get past my Bruins nor Sam Pollock’s Montreal Canadiens. The real heroes of the era were Bill Torrey and Al Arbour on Long Island, but it wasn’t fully formed at the time.
For this era, both baseball teams are impressive, the Knicks have a pulse, and the Rangers should have celebrated a Stanley at some point this century. This year, the team is 12-5-1, owns a goal edge of 63-44 and have some outstanding players. No one is talking about them really, because the Carolina Hurricanes are the talk of the Metro and the NJ Devils/Washington Capitals are right there with the Broadway blue shirts. How good are the NYR? We’ll find out tonight.
Noah Philp scored a huge goal (set up on a brilliant play by Matthew Savoie) last night for the Bakersfield Condors. Philp should be in the NHL now. Here’s why.
WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER
- On the road to: CAL (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
- At home to: NJD, VEG (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-2-0)
- On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
- At home to: NYI, NAS (Expected 2-0-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
- On the road to: TOR, MTL, OTT (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
- At home to: MIN, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
- On the road to: UTA, COL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
- Overall expected result: 8-5-0, 16 points in 13 games
- November results: 5-3-1, 11 points in 9 games
- Oilers in 2024-25: 10-9-2, 22 points in 21 games
The Oilers have had a productive November, but a downbeat final week would ruin some good work from earlier. I have tonight as a loss, and the team going 1-2-0 for the rest of November. That would leave the team 11-11-2 on the year, and in need of a long December, with reason to believe that this year will be better than the last.
CONDORS
Watching last night’s Condors game, several prospects impressed. Matthew Savoie did all the work on the regulation goal, forechecking like a demon and then sending a bullet pass to Noah Philp who drilled the puck home. I suspect we’ll see both men in the NHL later this year, and of course Philp has already made his NHL debut. The NHL’s ‘we are going to target this guy as being not eligible for the Calder Trophy and then suffer the consequences evermore’ rookie rule excludes Philp. That means this edition of the Oilers have yet to have an official NHL rookie make an appearance. Philp is a good player, he should be here.
No one is talking about Olivier Rodrigue but he is the owner of a .925 save percentage and he was brilliant last night in an OT win. I thought Noel Hoefenmayer was impressive, too. Condors have another guy on an AHL deal (Daniel D’Amato) who is doing this year what Cameron Wright did one year ago: Earning an NHL deal.
OILERS AT FIVE-ON-FIVE
Excluding the first three games of the season, Edmonton’s five-on-five numbers are solid. The team’s expected goal share (53.7 percent) is fourth best in the NHL. The actual goal share is 51.39 percent, which is No. 14 across the NHL. GF-60 at five-on-five is 2.47 (15th), GA-60 is 2.34 (18th) and save percentage is .910 (19th). Regression should come, and I remain alert for the “Stan Bowman makes a move” moment and we’ll see how they shine. Personally, I’d stay the course, perhaps recalling Noah Philp in an effort to improve the bottom-six forwards.
TONIGHT
The Oilers victories lately have come during games when Connor McDavid is firing on all pistons. He is 6-13-19 in 13 games against the Manhattan Transfer, and scored one of his iconic goals against them in the fairly recent past. I’ll be looking for more impressive play by Ty Emberson and Calvin Pickard has a nice run going and could see increased work as we enter actual winter 2024-25.
TRACERS: CAM TALBOT
I wrote the following about Cam Talbot on June 1, 2015. He would become an Edmonton Oilers starter later that month. I think Bowman may be thinking along these lines.
I think the Oilers could get Talbot for No. 33 overall, and I’d be willing to make that trade (and believe me, there’s zero doubt these early picks have extreme value). We’ll see, and there is danger (he’s one year from UFA) but Talbot looks like a perfect fit for Edmonton at this time. Woodguy’s fine work in this area suggests Talbot and Jonathan Bernier are the top targets, securing Talbot (while also retaining a second, later second-round pick) would be an astute move by Peter Chiarelli.
Leon had a fantastic season, despite the wonky decision-making by the Oilers front office. As was the case with Anton Lander, the Oilers decided he was ready and that was moved, seconded and passed into law without any thought about the possible implications. Fast forward to end of December, and MacT finally turned the rig around and got Leon to junior. Where he proceeded to work hard and help his team win hockey games, and they won enough of them to get into OT at the Memorial Cup final game. I think Kelowna may have been the better team, but it’s a coin flip (that’s the nature of the tournament) and congratulations to the Oshawa Generals. That kid who scored twice is a nice player.
A quick note on Leon in regard to next season. The Oilers have a nice situation in the fall, with Connor McDavid joining a trio of NHL centers (Nuge, Lander, Gordon) and some interesting options (Leon among them) in the bubbling under category. I think the Oilers will try to send Draisaitl down to Bakersfield but there’s every chance he’ll beat the competition for the 3L spot and end up playing with Lander. We’ll see, but there’s not close to enough quality imo to keep him off the roster unless the Oilers decide to send him down no matter how well he plays.
I think it’s also possible we see Boyd Gordon dealt at the draft. Now, before you go crazy, let’s remember that Todd McLellan didn’t employ a shut down line with punishing zone starts, preferring instead to roll the four lines equally in terms of ZS. If that is the plan, then Gordon’s main use will have been neutralized and a team like Vancouver (who are shopping Eddie Lack) may become interested. As you’ll recall, Vancouver was interested in Gordon at the time Edmonton signed him.
Prospectichuk!
Like yesternight, a dectet of NAmateurs will do the hockeying.
Day had another tough outing last time out, stopping only 15 of the 20 shots he faced before getting yanked after the first. His season stats have ballooned/cratered to 3.19 GAA and 88.6%. He and Clattenburg and the Birds of Fire oppose Akey & Wakely, Attorneys at Law in a rare four-NAmateur matchup.
The Tomas Mazura Parade of Apples continues, now with a dozen in as many games. Still just one goal though.
Muskegon (Berry) @ 4 p.m.
Notre Dame (Fischer) @ 4 p.m.
St. Lawrence (Mazura) @ 5 p.m.
London (O’Reilly, Nicholl) @ 5 p.m.
Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5 p.m.
Flint (Day, Clattenburg) @ 5 p.m.
Ottawa (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.
All times are two times and are also Minburn time.
“That kid who scored twice” was a nice player to these eyes as well. Still 17 when he became a Memorial Cup hero, have followed his progress from that day forward.
Somehow he lasted all the way to the third round of that 2015 draft, #72 overall. Finished out junior career, played most of one season in AHL, got called up to stay at age 20.
Today the #72 overall’s magic number is 103. He has 103 NHL goals, a career +103, & has played 103 playoff games, winning 2 Stanleys,
Anthony Cirelli. What a steal.
#53 still needs more time and patience IMO
My look-fors tonight:
A thought that is pretty much impossible to prove:
Oilers would be a 4-2 team in a 3-2 league if Skinner didn’t give up the goals he does.
And I might add . . . if our Oilers could score 4 goals per game (rough calculation, we’ve scored just under 3 goals per game).
Oilers at home have scored 2.27 goals per game, second worst in the league.
“It’s quite sad, actually.” — Punjabi Oil
Turns out Holland was a competent GM after all….
The 2024 NHL Draft for the Oilers seemed like the best I’d seen in years, followed by July 1st optimism, followed by the offer sheet shock, followed by other moves that hinted of managerial competence, yet with question marks on Defense.
When the smoke cleared, the team was older and slower, but now is suspect in Goal, on the Blueline, on the wings and even on bottom 6 C.
Nowhere to go but up? We wait with bated breath.
Oilercoaster Ride indeed
Have we heard what the trouble with Arvidsson is? I don’t even recall him being injured in-game?
He played into the 59th minute of his last game. No sign of trouble
Coach confirms that Nurse is in tonight and Bouch is 50/50. The comment on Bouch is scary as that last player that was 50/50 will miss his 5th straight game tonight….
Yep. You wonder if he has been dealing with a nagging injury. Would explain some of his recent play.
Bouch is ill.
When he heard Dermott was sick it was reasonable to think he wasn’t the only one – it seems rare that only a single player on an NHL team gets sick.
So as many fans I am prone to overreaction in the moment. After two days there is still a play in the game against the Wild my mind will not let go of. Bouch is a wonderfully gifted offensive talent, but. On the 2 nd (or 3 rd) goal Bouch was standing at the side of the net. A Wild forward was next to him with inside position. Ekholm was fully engaged with another Wild forward. The pass came to the Wild forward next to Bouch who easily put it in the net. Bouch made absolutely no attempt to check the Wild forward, nothing! He stood there looking like a bell boy waiting for a tip! How is it possible he could be so unaware and disengaged???? Love the talent he has but holy cow he is labelled as a defence
man!
He actually backed away from the opponent (Marcus Foligno) while reaching for the puck.
maybe he was cognizant of not giving somebody else his germs. 😷
Holy hell if Bouch can’t play…..
Looks like a good chance Nurse plays – that’s great.
Jeff Skinner still not allowed to play with the higher talent, every other option will be tried first.
Would be surprising to have Skinner start this game.
Yikes.
And lol at the Skinner comment. The coaching staff clearly does not trust this player.
Skinner can score goals, but not at a rate that out-scores his deficiencies.
His best days are behind him and he has no business on a Stanley Cup contending roster. Far too many soft plays are a hallmark of his game. Perhaps he will land on a bottom team as an important goal producer, but in Edmonton his game brings negative value.
The Oilers will not be contender while he remains in the top 9. He is no longer the even-strength out scorer he once was, at least not on this underperforming roster.
Total waste of skin. 156th in goals, 286th in points but is currently tied for 31st league wide in the race for the green jacket (#1 on the Oilers). Robidas island asap and bring up Savoie.
Everybody loved him in the summer.
Derek Ryan has not played on the PK over the last 6-7 games – 2 minutes total in 7 games and I think that’s essentially when he gets put on for “face-off/get-off” and he loses the faceoff.
If Ryan isn’t even a PK any longer, is there a role for him on this team?
I think they want to give Philp a bit more runway in the AHL but Ryan was hanging on to his career by a thread to start the season and, without a PK role, that thread is starting to wilt.
Exactly!
I get the “want” to have Ryan on the team (smarts, RH C, good attitude/team guy), but I don’t get why he really is in the lineup when you consider his limitations. I agree that he is probably only there to give Philp some more time developing his pro game in the AHL following his year off from hockey. I’m hoping that a healthy Oilers lineup has no room for Ryan as much as I wish they could all contribute in meaningful ways.
To be fair to Ryan, he has a 61.4% face off win percentge. For players who have taken more than 100 face offs these are the players ahead of him.
Barkov- 67.1%
Nico Sturm- 65.6% (has 99 faceoffs)
Jamie Benn- 65.1%
He is winning a lot more of his face offs than he is losing, there is value there. If there wasn’t Nuge at 55.6% (tied for 27th) would be taking them.
From Bob:
RNH-McDavid-Kapanen
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Brown
Skinner-Henrique-Janmark
Caggiula-Ryan-Perry
Bouchard not on ice
While Podkolzin has earned his praises, they’re doing Draisaitl dirty lol
Against Minny, Nuge had some moments skating that leaves an observing thinking he’s battling some sort of lower body ailment.
3rd line could do everyone a whirl of good fortune having a big game.
Entire 4th line needs mobility scooters.
I hope thats Josh Brown on right wing. Somebody, anybody go to the front of the net.
Many parts of the Oilers game is around Bouchard’s play. If he has a good game, we will be OK. If he plays as the shin pad assassin it will be a long night
Any idea who the starter is? I do hope Kris doesn’t throw Skinner to the Wolves and goes with Pickard tonight.
https://www.rotowire.com/hockey/starting-goalies.php
Pickard confirmed.
What team shows up tonight is the big question.
I am sure we will get a Vezina performance out of the Ranger goalie.
Let’s hope the coach has McD and Drai on separate lines tonight to start at least. They need 2 lines going.
I like the idea of Talbot if they are actually going out and getting a goalie. Wish they would get a D man before anything else.
I agree with you LT on Philp. He should be here right now. That bottom 6 is slow and especially that 4th line. ( Albeit Ryan plays his heart out every shift)
If Nurse is in tonight that will help out for sure.
Nuge needs a game .
Guys, with all these injuries are the Oilers accumulating anymore cap space?
OP?
Massive break after tonight – lets have some good vibes for these 5 day after a heartening performance tonight – please!
I think the Oilers win. This game is like the Ottawa game. A near guaranteed loss, facing a good team on prime time.
The Oilers usually do the opposite of expected. I say 6-3 win.
Savoie with 10 points in 15 games. At what point do we start to worry about his offence?
Worry about the offense? There are (last I looked) four AHL forwards who are 20 and have posted more points. Savoie is doing well. Eight of those 10 points are at even strength. As a comparison, Dylan Holloway posted 45 percent of his points at even strength age 20, and Kailer Yamamoto 67 percent. I would suggest Savoie’s 10 points in 15 games represent a strong start.
Thank you for the sanity check. Some times my Oilers Fan Syndrome clouds my judgement.
How did Jordan Eberle compare? I seem to remember he had better than a point a game.
Eberle didn’t play age 20 in the AHL.
Jordan Eberle Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
Jordan’s stats as a 19 yr old pretty good
For sure. Even taking away his power play points (2) he was a point-per-game player at even strength. I believe his first goal that season in Springfield was assisted by Charles Linglet. On this blog, his nickname was Ling-Ling and he is a rare example of an Oilers prospect who was signed and then immediately inserted into the NHL lineup. Good for Ling-Ling.
For a pro rookie who missed all of almost last season on a team that doesn’t score a lot I would say he is tracking as expected. Hoping for a spike after the new year and end the season just under ppg
Agree on Rodrigue. He should get a shot soon. He’s playing well, and looking at his db, his stats (save percentage) has tracked better than Skinner through the same stage of development all the way.
Too bad, he didn’t shine in training camp. Likely means he has to wait for an injury, or the last wheel to fall off Skinner before he gets a chance.
Hadn’t thought about Boyd Gordon for years. Had my son emulate his face off style while playing minor hockey. Face inches from the ice directly over the dot!
long December, with reason to believe that this year will be better than the last.
Love it
One of my favorite albums.
Great album… I hung it up years ago after the over play times. Somewhat recently I came across ‘Possibility Days’, which I didn’t even know existed… definitely worth the listen if you aren’t familiar…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dityp2WT_yE
Thanks for the recommendation
theres a lot of place holders on this roster right now. Philp I’m sure they want him to get half a season in Bakersfield. Savoie probably most of the season. On top of the injured guys of Hyman Arvidsson and Kane
I think they really would like Rodrigue to have the season in Bakersfield but may be hard to do.
I hope Pickard plays very well so they can reset Skinnner
Placeholders, for when?