Fire And Rain

by Lowetide
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: STL, CHI (Expected 2-0-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • At home to: COL (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: PHI, WAS, TBY, FLA (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 5-3-0, 10 points in 8 games
  • January result: 2-2-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 34-17-4, 72 points in 55 games

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winston

If SB goes out and get a goalie, is there a market for Pickard, assuming we’re keeping Skinner?

Lewis Grant

Puljujarvi on unconditional waivers for purposes of contract termination.

When a guy has washed out of that many cities…there’s a common denominator here.

I was in Helsinki a few years ago and had an interesting chat with a local Finn in a bar. (This guy did not fit the stereotype of Finnish reserve.) I asked him why Puljujarvi wasn’t succeeding in the NHL.

He didn’t have any complete answers, but he did note that it was weird that Puljujarvi didn’t learn English.

70% of Finns speak English, and JP knew he was headed for the NHL. Perhaps it speaks to a preparedness issue? To a mindset of doing things his own way? To general maturity?

I wish him a long and happy career in the Liiga. (He scored PPG in 2019-20 in Karpat.) There are worse fates than coming home, making an upper-middle-class living, playing a game you love.

Side

I recall Puljujarvi’s english being hotly debated on this site at the time.

I think at the time the Oilers org. were getting dragged for not helping JP adjust to life in North America, including not getting him an en english tutor.

But if I recall correctly, Jesse did try learning some english in school in Finland and did have a tutor of sorts when he did come to Canada, but sounded like he just struggled with the language.

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Diablo

From Mike Sullivan on the Josh Getzoff show after he got waived in early January.

“That’s where Jesse and I have had points of contention,” Sullivan said. “And a lot of it just boils down to details. You know, positioning in the defensive zone, what you’re supposed to do off of face offs win or loss, rush coverage when you’re tracking back into our end zone, what our rules are, awareness and recognition away from the puck, things of that nature. Those are just examples of some of the conversations that I’ve had with Jesse. And then usually I have him sit with Mike Vellucci, and we show him examples of what we’re talking about. So he has a clear understanding of what the expectations are and why we make the decisions that we make. And as I say to players all the time, we don’t always expect them to agree with the decisions that I make as the head coach, but my hope is that they respect the decisions that I make as the head coach. I try to go to great lengths to explain the whys so that players have a clear understanding of where they stand and what they have to do in order to improve their circumstance.”

Just never learned to play NHL hockey. Lots of tools … no toolbox. Same as Yakupov; they can put up counting stats in less competitive euro leagues, but can’t replicate that in the smaller NHL rinks where the game is played at a much faster pace.

It’s no ones fault … these are 17 and 18 year old kids in their draft years. Who knows what kind of men they will mature into, and whether they will have the drive to work on their games on and off the ice that allows them to parlay the tools that got them drafted so high to match their draft day prognostications.

This is why I put little stock into online scouts lists of which organizations have the best prospect pool. Its entertainment, but when you look back at those articles from a few years ago, most of those highly touted prospects have failed to have impactful NHL careers.

Reja

If there’s any unbiased St.Louis fans out there how’s Broberg doing this year? So far has Broberg been worth alienating 80% of the G.M’s in the smartest man in the room contest.

OriginalPouzar

Zack Hyman likely not in the top 3 of injury replacement options for Canada in the next 48 hours.

Lewis Grant

He should be.

Big mistake. Hyman can play up and down the lineup with anybody…including McDavid. Really high hockey IQ. That’s incredibly crucial for a really short tournament.

Hard to believe that all of Konecny, Cirelli, and Hagel got the nod over him.

OriginalPouzar

I agree that the Hyman of last year should be but not this year, and not his recent play over the last few weeks (despite a couple of goals).

I don’t agree on Hockey IQ, I’ve never thought of Hyman as a high hockey IQ player – not to pile on but his play on the game winning goal last night was the opposite of high hockey IQ.

I’m not here to “bash Zack” – great player, great Oiler, great person, I just think he’s being going through the motions (along with some others on the team) in recent times.

Scheifele is the no-brainer first replacement and I put Duchesne, Tavares and maybe even Suzuki ahead of him.

Guys like Dylan Gunther, Robert Thomas, etc., etc.

Fiftyin39

I would have been happier if McDavid had used that ridiculous suspension as a middle finger to the league and sat out the Four Nations. Something is not quite right with him and could use some down time. And I would have not minded if Ekholm joined him in solidarity. So as it relates to Hyman, quite frankly I think all of the Oilers need some time away to hit the reset button and get their bodies and minds back on track. This break is coming at a good time and let’s hope the McDavid and Ekholm don’t come back worse for wear.

Traveller

In the negotiations that go on between the NHL and the NHLPA, I believe its the NHLPA and the players that push for participation in international tournaments, not the NHL Head Office, NHL team management and certainly not the owners. Besides players wanting to play for their country, the players retirement fund gets significant proceeds from the Four Nations Cup. If players like McDavid started backing out out of spite, the owners would happily vote against tournaments like this and it could also harm negotiations on future Olympics.

Shamus23

Good he can use the break

Reja

Towards H.H post. Goals have more value when it comes to MVP voting. Also positioning of a team in the stsndimgs carries weight as well.

Harpers Hair

There are separate awards for both goals and points.

The MVP is ostensibly given to the player most valuable TO HIS TEAM.

Leon (second in scoring) gets help from Connor (fourth in scoring).

MacKinnon (first in scoring) gets help from Makar (12th in scoring.

Kucherov (third in scoring) went into today’s game 23 points ahead of Brayden Point (23rd in scoring.

You can make an argument for Quinn Hughes (although his current injury will impact this) is the most valuable to his team because he leads his team in scoring (as a defenseman) and is 25 points ahead of Brock Boeser although it’s like the voters will consider there is another award for best defenseman.

Harpers Hair

Kucherov finished today’s game with 3 points…now 1 back of Leon.

90s fan

Mack also has had Rantanen. Now Necas. As well has help from having noone in the net.

v4ance

Jesse Puljujarvi placed on unconditional waivers to terminate his contract.

I wish him well.

Shamus23

Jesse will have a good career In The Finnish league. He has made has made 3-4 mill playing over here over the last several years. He should be able to play several years in the Finn league ( Maybe KHL) and make another mill or 2 and if invested we’ll have a comfy life from hockey. Nice kid, wish him all the best.

maudite

Song that came to mind at end of the first part of your article:

https://youtu.be/aEj-mrwwaxo?si=T3gkZ51z55EzeKm7

v4ance

Your words made me think of this song I discovered at the start of the pandemic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ui9umU0C2g

rev.hans

For all of you who doubt Stu Skinner, Bruce McCurdy wrote an insightful piece on goaltending (before yesterday’s game). He doesn’t tease out the “how does SSkinner fare against top-10 teams,” a difficult stat as Jason Dreger noted in last night’s post-game Got Yer Back podcast: the top-10 is always shifting. McCurdy says Skinner is generally in net against most difficult opponents (as judged by coach, McCurdy?). In any case, before last night, the trend for both goaltenders and team was good.
The beautiful shambles (for an action-loving fan) of a game is not, I think, worthy of the deep worrying I’m reading here today. It’s a game. In the deadzone of the season. Two good teams played fast and loose. From top to bottom.
Nevertheless, as the “Cult of Hockey” Player Grades post game report card showed, not everyone was thinking about the holiday as they entertained us. An A and a few Bs were handed out, in that bouquet of Ds and Fs that are fitting for a game that did not matter.

rev.hans

McCurdy: “Then there’s this one: while the Oilers are a dominant team in terms of shot volumes at both ends of the rink, they currently rank 13th in save percentage and a lowly 23rd in shooting percentage (all situations). For all the fixation on the ‘tendies, perhaps the bigger issue for this squad is its poor conversion rate at the other end of the sheet.”
2024-25 SH% 10.1 (about 50th percentile in league)
2023-24 SH% 10.6 (about 70th percentile)
2023-24 playoffs SH% 12.1 (86th percentile)

as per NHL EDGE

winchester

I touched on the conversion rate other day. Their seems to be something unique about Oilers attack, particularly the high possession offensive zone time.

It is as if once everybody is inside the zone and set up, the defenders in the house and attackers have the perimeter surrounded it becomes difficult and we are left with point shots and difficulty getting net front.

Generally, many goals as you review them, come from broken plays, mistakes, players out of position, shift changes. We see this on goals against the Oilers, but also works for Oilers. Broken plays often leave an open man.

Oilers have no problem gaining the zone, then they shift into this possession mode. Certainly “lack of finish” is a thing, but there is not much time/space to work with.

If it was 3vs3 you would see a zone exit to reset, create space, create an opportunity. Its an observation but I have no suggestions. Perhaps set plays.

Scungilli Slushy

The fellas at ON have been addressing this in different ways. Sunil has an article up about the amount of shots by D. It’s too high, higher than before, and it drags on SH% as they are low percentage shots

Gregor had Adam Oates on, and he is no fan of the current soup du jour of offensive tactics some teams, like the Oilers, are using. He calls it a spread out offense, and thinks it hampers offense especially for normal players

We see the Oilers dumping the puck in a lot (low percentage) and playing the puck around the perimeter and to the points. Eventually Connor or Leon try to force a play to the middle, and lately a lot of those are turning the puck over. Lots of point shots because nothing is open in front, the D sets up and lots of teams collapse to the net front against them, tough sledding

The still score quite a bit, but I see that as a function of having two of the best forwards there are and other skill. I think they should be more dangerous than they currently are

I have liked KK more than any other coach in a long time. But I fear his system is too conservative for the roster. There’s a bit of a disconnect also between Coffey demanding the D make plays and he involved offensively, and the forwards playing a more conservative game. There must be a balance there somewhere that still suppresses HDCA and promotes the strength of the players they have

The Canes also drive strong shot stats and also have higher shots from D, and don’t get the amount of offense you’d expect from it. It’s long been their Achilles heel, along with goaltending. Sounds familiar

Bruce McCurdy

…as judged by points percentage of the opponent. The Oklers have played 18 “sets” of 3 games, with Skinner always starting 2 & Pickard 1. By (current) Pts% Skinner has played the toughest team of the 3 in 17 of the 18 sets, with Pickard getting the weakest opponent of the 3 in a clear majority of them.

LateNightOilFan

It was a great article Bruce, thank-you.

v4ance

I’m not in the trade Skinner crowd but the fear is that if Skinner gets the hardest matchups in the regular season and struggles, what happens in the playoffs when every team will be tough?

One bad series could end the run.

Granted, a lot of skaters like Nuge and Henrique are having down scoring years but that what happens when we acquire a bunch of greybeards.

Reja

I gather Pickard plays the back-end of consecutive games while Skinner usually plays the 3rd in 4 nights start which many consider a harder matchup than back-to-backs.

daniel

Lots of conversation about playoff vs non-playoff teams and Skinner’s performance vs top 10. Looking at a few sites today a few things jump out:

One: Both Skinner and Pickard have allowed more goals than expected from the right side. And that’s our “puck moving” side

https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/savingTeamSingle/2425/EDM/pickaca92/wrap
https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/savingTeamSingle/2425/EDM/skinnst98/wrap

Two: EDM finishing and saving is lower for out of conference teams (5v5):

Within division: 15 GP; 8.92 SH%; 92.17 SV%; 1.011 PDO

Within Conference: 18 GP; 8.26 SH%; 91.37 SV%; 0.996 PDO

Out of Conference: 22 GP; 7.86 SH%; 89.98 SV%; 0.978 PDO

Out of Conference results might speak to less attention to detail and malaise in games that may be perceived to be “less important.” Five of the top 10 teams in the league by PTS% are in the West, and the three worst teams are in the West.

Sorting this table you can see SV% by competitor. Worst SV%’s include Washington, Winnipeg, Toronto and Florida, but also Chicago and Anaheim. So there is some truth to the perception that EDM has not saved well against better teams. But they also have not saved well against terrible teams.

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rev.hans
DevilsLettuce

Skinner has a 0.879 save % in first periods regardless of who he’s facing.

jtblack

Is Colton Scissons a target for the Oilers?

31 years old. RHC. $2.8 mil contract with next year as well.

Not sure if he moves the needle at all??

jtblack

Yanni Gourde a target? UFA . $3.5 mil. ???

maudite

NICE GOURDE
-> Heavy Dzone use (~41% ozone starts)
->Okayish FO numbers
-> solid PK usage 1.5+ mins/game most of career

NOT NICE GOURDE
-> 33 years old
-> undergoing sports hernia surgery
->****5’9″, 175 lbs****

If you trade out arvidsson contract straight up?

Maybe?

Id be hesitant to jam too much of chip stack into slight framed undersized players likely on back end of career as injuries start stavkimg up.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Both are guys I have on my list. I intend to use the break to do a bit of a look into the numbers of potential TDL targets.

doritogrande

I’ve seen articles quoting Bowman as wanting “depth pieces”, which after last night has me thinking 2C instead of 4LW. I agree with the consensus that this year doesn’t look like 97s best, and actually might need 29 to outscore. 93 and 18 just aren’t top line players this year.

Cap’s going way up, so we can afford to go out and spend next year’s space on another impact C to compliment nuge on the 2-line. My aim is the Schenn/RStrome/Schmaltz territory, but admitting I’m not sure if these guys actually play C anymore. Going to cost the moon and the stars, but we’re in win mode.

DevilsLettuce

Sissons has been playing wing to McCarron. I was on the Sissons train earlier, then they moved him to McCarron’s wing, his scoring has been bouncing back.

Yet McCarron is in double digit face offs every night running at 54.6% is 6’6 232lbs, hits everything in sight at $900,000 a year.

Sounds like a perfect 4C target.

DevilsLettuce

And he’s right handed.

rev.hans

I’m curious LT: You had the game as a loss, but you sound very disappointed in the kind of loss. Apocalyptic even. Very unlike the measured tone I’ve come to expect.
On the scoresheet the other guys were one goal better. But that’s all. What kind of loss were you imagining? Pray tell.

OriginalPouzar

I sure hope illness was a factor last night as there was, what looked to be, a big effort, commitment, lack of give a shot amongst some of the higher need players on the team including McDavid and Hyman but also and Bouch.

Mistakes happen but lazy mistakes and stupid mistakes, well, those should be vast exceptions from most of these guys on the most veteran team in the league.

MushedPeas

Last night MacKinnon and – Makar in particular – looked like McDavid used to every night.

Harpers Hair

That Necas guy ain’t too shabby either.

Reja

Wasn’t there rumours about him for Jesse at one time?

Lewis Grant

I recall those.

File them under the category of “overvaluing one’s own prospects.”

jtblack

When my Mom passed away (last January) there were certain songs my sister and I listened to “for her” ….

Fire and Rain was one … LT said it all above.
Also the 3 others were;
Chris Cornell – Nothing Compares to you
Fleetwood Mac – Landslide
Pearl Jam – Release Me

Those songs help get me through …

winchester

So true. I love to connect memories to song. And when they come on, there is no way not to tear up.

jtblack

oh yah, pretty much cried every time for a year … but getting better now ….

Das Zuke

Interestingly enough while driving home from the game I mentioned that McDavid was hardly noticeable and was surprised to read he played 24 minutes.wondering if he ‘s got some of the flu bug that was going around. As for his reduction in points, one needs to consider his line mates as well. Hyman has not been converting McDavids passes as he did last year and don’t get me started on RNH … he cannot be on the first line… the third line must be his new permanent position as he did fine there yesterday. I believe it must frustrate the hell out of McD when his line mates continue to blow great plays and as a result it is affecting his play.

As for Skinner, I do like him but another abysmal start has me wondering … I don’t think there is presently an affordable upgrade available but if they don’t get to the finals or get bumped out in an earlier round he will be replaced this summer.

winchester

Every McDavid point is harder to get than an average point. He faces the best effort from every opposing player.

Hymans down season has also played a part in Nuge’s p/60

Reja

It’s a surprise we’re still in first with below average Joe goaltending. Bowman won’t mess with the goaltending till offseason. I guess Pickard takes the loss he still has a higher winning percentage and save percentage then Skinner. I would start Pickard more in the second half. Skinner didn’t have much of a offseason give him time to rest physically and mentally. Nothing sinks a really good team in the playoffs faster than below average Joe goaltending

Neumann

Skinner was poor last night and has been inconsistent the last few weeks. Coincides with him having a baby.

judgedrude

Hopefully he isn’t Devan Dubnikked.

Shamus23

Question for LT or anyone who knows?

How many days does the rest of the team get off before they practise again?

dustrock

Bag skate in Cabo!

Clarkenstein

Practise a week Tuesday

Shamus23

Tks

MushedPeas

hahahaha

Shamus23

Just a bad effort overall. Skinner was terrible plain and simple. Bouchard, Hyman both had bad giveaways and games . The D was terrible overall in the 1st. PK sucked except 5/3, #1 PP. Stunk, Drai and Perry were great, bottom 6 ok, even McD was off.
Team mostly looked like they had one foot in the plane off to Cabo. Colorado kinda looked the same except except for Makar and MacKinnon.
Is what it is, go have your vacation and come back ready to go.
Skinner needs to get focused if Bowman is convinced he doesn’t need goalie help. ( Which he has stated he doesn’t)
Please Bring up Savoie for game #1 after the break . Give him the 5 games to Sat March 1. See if he pops. If not make sure Skinner gets those 5 games on Drai’s line.
They also need Kane’s grit back and Either a big bruising D man ( Oleksiak ). and probably another gritty forward for the bottom 6 who is a great pk guy as in Tanev.
Should be fun to see what transpires.

knighttown

My point yesterday about MacKinnon was not that Leon or Connor aren’t also in the conversation it’s just incredibly Oiler-centric to ignore Nathan MacKinnon in either debate; playing the best in the league or best player in the world. Nathan MacKinnon is an absolute legend of the game.

Best in the world debate…since McDavids transcendent 2022-23 season MacKinnon is now 24 points clear of McDavid in the 1.5 years since. Kucherov us also well clear. Yes Leon is keeping it close with the big boys this year but no one would seriously consider him in the “best in the world” conversation. He’s over 40 points back in only a year and a half.

Lindsay award winner? Sure you can absolutely put Leon in the race but don’t be naive to ignore that the (possible) best player in the world is now 4 points clear. this is very much like Matthews/McDavid 2021-22. Leon is to MacKinnon as Matthews was to Connor during 2021-22 when he was so damned good he stole the MVP and began joining the conversation of best in the world.

Those of us in Edmonton laughed at the Leaf homers while acknowledging what a season 34 had.

Don’t be like Leafs homers.

Ninja Warrior

well put things in context as well. Mc David has missed games due to injuries and suspension this yr and therefore at times hasn’t been right and more difficult to get into rhythm. Also Mckinnon always enjoys better line mates every yr, Rantanen exclusively while he was there and now Necas, whereas McDavid yearly has a revolving door. and he also has the best defence man in hockey Makar. McKinnon is great no doubt, better than Matthews, but a bit behind McDavid and Drai who I consider the 2nd best player in hockey

SVR

I disagree. Draisaitl is most definitely in the conversation as an equal to MacKinnon. Over there careers, Draisaitl leads in points per game 1.21 to 1.16. Each has one Hart trophy to their credit. Nate has the Stanley, while Leon lost game 7 by one goal. Very comparable careers and not at all like Matthews vs McDavid in my opinion.

Lewis Grant

On a PPG basis, McDavid and Draisaitl are up there with MacKinnon this year.

(MacKinnon has also finally stayed healthy the last couple of years.)

It will be interesting to see which of the two drives the bus at 4 Nations. My money is on our man.

DevilsLettuce

Stu’s numbers against good teams is dirty toilet water, that’s the main fix they need to attend to.

Clarkenstein

I read somewhere last night that Skinner is 2-9-2 this year against top 10 teams. Can anyone confirm that please?

SVR

There was a thread later after the game discussing how MacKinnon looked like the best player in the world last night compared to McDavid. I assume the thread was removed because HH made a comment that got down voted to hell, so I wanted to bring it back up for discussion today.

Yes Mackinnon looked great last night with his speed and playmaking ability. He was however helped out by two soft goals given up by Skinner. I think Draisaitl is just having an exceptional season and should be mentioned in any conversation regarding the best player in the world. If he goes on to win the Rocket Richard, and either wins or is within a few points of the Art Ross, and is top 5 in plus minus, all while his teammate “ McDavid is having a “down” year, I don’t know how you can give the Hart, and Lindsey to anyone else.

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dustrock

That goal from his knees was something else.

winchester

That “best player in the world” tag gets very heavy. Even his own team has to bring it up constantly. Im sure Connor would love to pass that over to Leon for a while, and take a rest.

dustrock

Brother and I got Xmas gift tickets, row 19 behind the Oilers bench. Possible it was illness or just already mentally making plans to hit On the Rocks after the game, knowing there’s a 2 week break, but they were supremely uninterested.

The 2 goals allowed by Skinner. Come on. The first one is right along the ice, that’s a save a 15 year old would make.

It really was Drai and Perry carrying the day.

I don’t know what is going on with Hyman but he’s useless and that pass can’t happen in a tie game in the 3rd.

McDavid has been looking like Ryan McLeod.

Henrique I think might have been a mistake.

Trying not to overreact to a 3 in 4 nights game and the Oilers on top of the division but wow were they not convincing last night.

TruthHurts98

Oilers haven’t won a damn thing, that is their legacy. No division title, no Cup. I’m not expecting much from them this post season with the current roster and goaltending. Yes, I went there. We all saw Connor go pointless in Games 6 and 7, mostly due to brilliant tending at the other end. Connor isn’t his brilliant self this year, glimpses of it at times. A lot of shake and very little bake. We can’t expect anything different this year. Skinner is a good backup, but if the front office can’t find a top 10 goalie, the contending window will close sooner than we want to admit. Hate on me if you like, it’s your choice. But the truth is a hard pill to swallow sometimes. Other times it evokes positive adjustments and a little glory shines through. Bowman has some work to do.

Jethro Tull

Didn’t they win the western conference last season?

TruthHurts98

Yes slow clap. Does anyone care? They choked when it counted most in the final and that is probably as close as they will get to the Cup in the Connor/Leon era. Mackinnon, Makar, Kucherov, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane have all hoisted the prize. Lowetide is right, every superstar would trade all their hardware for just one more Cup.

Bruce McCurdy

”choked” is a pretty strong word for a team that played 25 playoff games & won 15 of them, staved off elimination 5 times & lost by a single goal in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals.

I find it objectionable to be honest. Kindly choose your words more carefully in future, or hang out on a Canucks blog instead .

hunter1909

lol strong words.

Sierra

Ya, I care. Losing in game 7 of the Stanley Cup final is a huge damn accomplishment. Also hugely disappointing though, but I’ll take that to not making it that far or losing in the first round.

To provide some balance, OV won his Cup in his 13th season.

I do agree that Bowman has some work to do.

hunter1909

Any team that can make it to game 7 of any Finals is going to be far ahead of nearly any other team aside from previous recent cup winners.

Oilers could have got a better goalie than Campbell, but failed miserably, and I’ll give you that.

Skinner/Pickard both provide solid backup goalie capacity on any level you like.

Can either be a cup winner? My vote says probably yes. Will they? I’ll also day ditto – yes.

winchester

I hate you

kidding, but maybe you are seeing things too harshly. Lets step back to where McDavid put Edmonton back on the map and brought the team back to respectability around the league.

All the hard work from there to here still counts.

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SVR

All goalies have bad games. Stuart Skinner really needs to figure out how to be ready to play on time. He is a youngish goalie, but has more than enough experience to still be so consistently bad in the first periods of hockey games.

I have posted a few times about the Oilers tendency of being slow starters. Having a goalie with a .900 save percentage in the first period would go along ways to rectify this issue. No, it’s not all Skinners fault, but I don’t think expecting league average tending from the start of the game is too much to ask.

Frustrating group of games in February so far and they are still 500 for the month. Come back from the break reset and refreshed to hopefully get back to the game we know they can play

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Lucid Oil

What do the stats say about Skinner’s first periods? It also feels to me like he has a tendency to have poor starts to games but do the stats back that up?

I am not even sure what the best stat or stats are to measure a goalie’s effectiveness. Is there an article or resource to help me with that? Goals saved above expected sounds like a good measure but does it matter who the shooter was?

SVR

Gregor’s article on OilersNation yesterday had him near the top in goals given up on the first few shots of the game. It was also posted that his save percentage in first periods this year is .879

LateNightOilFan

This is based on my own tracking. I’m not sure how to add a table or image here, so apologies for the block of numbers.

Skinner sv% by period:
1st .879 (Oct .863, Nov .938, Dec .896, Jan .846, Feb to date .778)
2nd .919 (Oct .894, Nov .902, Dec .936, Jan .923, Feb to date 1.000)
3rd .906 (Oct .869, Nov .867, Dec .911, Jan .978, Feb to date .1.000)
OT .833 (Oct .667, Nov n/a, Dec .857, Jan 1.000, Feb to date 1.000)

Pickard sv% by period:
1st .891 (Oct .900, Nov .895, Dec .857, Jan .870, Feb to date 1.000)
2nd .887 (Oct .871, Nov .913, Dec .919, Jan .861, Feb to date .867)
3rd .920 (Oct .912, Nov .871, Dec .938, Jan .978, Feb to date .850)
OT 1.000 (Oct n/a, Nov 1.000, Dec n/a, Jan n/a, Feb to date 1.000)

GA & SOG by period:
1st Skinner 38/313; Pickard 19/174
2nd Skinner 26/322; Pickard 16/142
3rd Skinner 31/330; Pickard 13/162
OT: Skinner 3/18; Pickard 0/2

Skinner has been sub .900 in the first period 16 of 37 GP, so 43.2% of the time.
Pickard has been sub .900 in the first period 9 of 18 GP, so 50% of the time.
Both have sv% above .900 in the remainder of those games.

Lucid Oil

Thanks for this.

LateNightOilFan

I swear I used to know how to edit posts, but apparently not today. In the above array of numbers that should be .813 for Skinner in the 3rd period for the February games, not 1.000.

LMHF#1

Want to teach a center what their job is?

https://youtu.be/Q73xrLoA33s?si=x2sHkpBj6TtfRwsN

Such a beautiful sequence. Every piece.

Tarkus

Prospectally!

A wafer-thin Saturday sched with just a quintet of NAmateurs.

Fischer has exactly matched last year’s production (2 goals, 14 apples) but in nine fewer games (25).

Wakely has slipped to 3rd in team scoring (41 points in 40 GP) and has only one goal in his last 10.

Akey is 3rd amongst Barrie D-men scoring with 25 points in 37 GP. Being healthy this season is a big plus, though he is off the pace of his draft season (47 in 66).

The House of Stone has discovered something of a scoring touch again with goals in 3 of his last 5 GP.

Berry rounds out the sched.

Muskegon (Berry) @ 4 p.m.
Notre Dame (Fischer) @ 4 p.m.
Peterborough (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.
Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5:30 p.m.

All times, at all times, are Carvel time.

LMHF#1

Last night is primarily on the coach, and #97 Connor McDavid.

The coach couldn’t read what was going on out there and make the necessary changes. He was stuck in a loop. This was sold as a strength early in his tenure. It is starting to concern me greatly because we’ve seen it too many times now. If you’re this sort of coach, your only hope is either an AC who covers your blind spot, or a captain who can spot it for you and doesn’t let it go. He needs one of those, or to be gone in order for this squad to be all it can.

And of course #97. Compared to his standard, he is playing terrible hockey right now, whatever the reason. It is deeply frustrating that no one will call this out on tv broadcasts, the radio, YouTube…almost anywhere. They’re still acting for instance like last night was a showdown between MacKinnon and McDavid.

It was a battle of the 29s. One took advantage of opportunities provided by strong support from his team. The other almost lugged his team on his back for seemingly the 20th or so time this season.

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LMHF#1

I know you’re after it LT – the team attached folks and those one step removed are on full ignore mode though. More people need to be saying what you are – and also pointing out some really serious dips in play that simply didn’t used to be part of his game. This is a guy who almost never had a bad shift, much less an ugly game.

LMHF#1

My profound hope is that this is in his head – and I see that as accurate based on some limitations he has placed on what he’s attempting out there. There are plays he isn’t trying anymore – and this is not a positive – but could be remedied. It isn’t that people are stopping them – instead he’s removed it from his toolbox.

If he’s accumulating injuries and not increasing his skills in other areas to keep up, well, then things could get worse. That’s frightening.

SVR

I see this too. How many times have we seen him fly down the right wing, back the dman off, then cut to the middle and rip a wrist shot past the goalie. Used to be a staple of his game. He has only attempted this less than a handful of times this season

Sierra

If we look back at other super elite players, were they at their peak game and leading the league’s offensive stats each and every year?

90s fan

Lemieux only scored 122 pts in his 12th season?

I mean Gretz dipped down to 183 points in his 8th season. He was a bum I tell ya!

Yzerman had a serious, and somewhat permanent dip after a couple of injury shortened seasons. In years 11 and 12. Started puttin up sub 100 seasons.

I worry about McD and injury, but I also wonder if he is susceptible to his own mountain of pressure he puts on himself (or so it seems to me). Maybe he needs a buddy to make him laugh between whistles.

Paulie

I don’t have an answer on this historically, but we can point to MacK, NK, and Leon this year as current players who maintained or increased their offensive output at ages older than 97 is now.

Bruce McCurdy

The super elite ones were.

Gordie Howe finished in the top 5 scorers 20 (TWENTY!!!) seasons in a row.

Bobby Orr, a d-man, finished top 3 for 6 years in a row.

Wayne Gretzky won 7 straight scoring titiles by an average margin of 67 points. Yes you read that right.

Connor McDavid, the greatest scorer of the current century, has finished top 3 for 8 years in a row & may yet do so again. Earlier this week, he took over, dominated & ultimately won a game for his team. But he has played a lot of games lately that are far below the norm. Plenty of reason for concern.

My hope is that 4 Nations will revitalize him. He clearly needs a boost of some sort just now.

Sierra

How about we look at the more modern age, say Crosby, Malkin, OV, Kucherov, maybe even Sakik?

Harpers Hair

Crosby’s best season came when he was 20.
His last 100 point season was at the age of 31.

Malkin last approached 100 points at age 31.
His peak season was his third in the NHL.

Ovechkin’s. peak point season was at the age 22.
His last 50 goal season was at age 33.

Kucherov took a rather circuitous road to the NHL but his best season has been last season at the age of 30 when he scored 144. He’s on pace for 127 this season.

All of these are in line with the voluminous research on aging curves.

Side

“Father time remains undefeated”
-Harpers Hair when it relates to older Oilers performing well

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Bruce McCurdy

Well I did say “super elite” & i did call McDavid “the greatest scorer of the current century” but sure I can look at those guys. Draisaitl too. Give me a few…

rev.hans

Hear hear! 82 games to prepare for potentially 28 more, then throw in a meaningless (to Stanley) exhibition series that completely distracts the chosen players —who wouldn’t want to rep the flag in “best against best?” What an awful idea. And as someone has noted, after the 100+ game season last year and a short break, and after pouring himself into it, McD is running on adrenaline. And in February that doesn’t look like a renewable source of energy for the man.
Let him play Four Nations, sure. Then dial him back. A break? Less minutes? Some way of not draining his reserves before they are really needed.
I am so NOT a fan of this exhibition series. Save it for summer.

hunter1909

The whole team was cruising until McDavid got suspended.

Since then they’ve been less than perfectly focussed, yet have still mangled to remain in 1st in the Pacific Division.

Please LMHF#1 – I know you are a fair man and hockey expert. Let’s say we give the Oilers 4 weeks/30 days from their return to the regular season before starting work on their obituaries?

LMHF#1

Appreciate It hunter – more of a possible warning signal and a shot at those who cover the team than those who are actually on it.

Even a casual “off night for the captain” comment once in a while would be appreciated. And some video breakdown of the plays he’s either not making or not choosing to make could be some great analysis to review. All of that is lacking.

Bruce McCurdy

“Showdown” was an absolute blowout. Boxcars tell the tale:

MacKinnon 1-3-4, +2
McDavid 0-0-0, -3

Somehow Oilers came within a goal at 5-4.

jtblack

This is McDavid’s 10th season. He has 5 Art Ross Trophies. He has been SuperNova as LT says. But you can simply look at “most” Superstars and inevitably, their point totals drop after year 10, 11, 12. They are usually better all around players, but their peak offensive days are behind them.

I think McDavid still has plenty of Elite Offense in him, and maybe 1 more Art Ross. But the reality is – for a host of reasons – Rarely do players win Art Ross’ after 12 years of playing. There are outliers, but they are just that.

Perhaps he, more than anyone, emptied the tank in last year’s Playoff run. Never recovered emotionally or physically ….

Anyway. This may not be his year, but he will deliver many more solid seasons ahead.

90s fan

Art Ross: MacKinnon is in his 12th season. Never won before. Draisaitl his 11th.

24: kuchurov 10th season
23: mcd 8th
22: mcd 7th
21: mcd 6th
20: drai 6th
19: kuch 5th
18 mcd 3rd
17 mcd 2nd
16 kane 9th
15 Benn 6th
14 crosby 9th
13 st Louis 14th !!!!!!!

07 crosby 2nd

04 st louis 3rd
98-2001 jagr 8th to 11th
97 lemieux 12th
94 gretz 15th

80-2001 had only 3 winners. Gretz lemieux and jagr.

Mostly the art ross gets won by the same guy over and over. Mcdavids comparbles are lemieux jagr and gretz. Lemieux won it in season 12, jagr in season 12, gretz in season 15.

I would expect mcd has another one in him Yet.

Sierra

Thanks. This is what I have been getting at.

I don’t feel it is reasonable to expect McDavid to be supernova every single year.

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