I Write Sins Not Tragedies

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OriginalPouzar

NEWS: Savoie has joined the Oilers for practice (in addition to Derek Ryan).

Neither has been officially recalled.

I presume this means that Savoie WILL be recalled – the Condors play tomorrow and they aren’t going to have him miss AHL games for one practice and travelling back and forth.

Derek Ryan has been away from the Condors during the entire Four Nations Break – that was always the agreement, to give him the planned break that most NHLers had – I think he’ll rejoin the Condors shortly.

OriginalPouzar

Where will coach play him (well, one thing at a time, lets see if he gets recalled on Friday – but the Condors are playing 5 in 8 days right now so I don’t think he’s in Edmonton to miss some games and then head back).

1952barry

I just can’t see Rantanen becoming an Oiler. He probably wants 14 which would put the top 3 at 46-48 million. (Connor 16 -18) Add in Bouchard, 10 -12, and Nurse 9.25 and your top 5 get 60

OriginalPouzar

I’ve been saying that the Oilers will call up a forward after the break. It might be Philp back up (or Hamblin who is on a heater) but it also could be Savoie, on merit.

Gregor things Savoie will get a re-call prior to the deadline.

Might as well do it this week, no?

David

For all that is good in this world Knoblauch, if Savoie gets a call up, play him more than 6-7 mins a game.

Reja

Does anyone know the OT rules for the final? I hope it’s 5 on 5 for at least a period and not this gimmicky 3 on 3 on bad ice. I get the time restraint rules but a gold medal final should be decided the old fashioned way.

Pretendergast

Stanley Cup final rules.

John Chambers

NHL Hockey is a Strong Link game.

What that means is that ++Players create, and when they’re paired with one another they create at a disproportionate level.

My opinion is that if you add an elite player like Rantanen to McDavid, Draistail, & Bourchard you have a DOMINANT team for the 23 mins each game that these players play together.

If you can add Rantanen for $13M you do it. It presents the greatest likelihood that this team wins a cup. My guess is you can fill out the roster with $1.5M players to saw off the opposition when the stars are on the bench, but when they’re on … watch the F out!

RockySLeafs

Agree all the way, if you have a chance to get Rantanen, go all in. He’s 6 4″ 215. 100 pt man. Has a 100 playoff points. Dynamic. Very rare player indeed

DevilsLettuce

If Rantanen is being truthful about his ask and it not being 14 million, then it’s doable.

Kane, Jinner, Arvidsson all moved out. That’s the Rantanen sign right there.

If they bring in Gibson at a retained rate, move out Stinner and not raise him. Keep an affordable backup.

Savoie/McDavid/Hyman
Podkolzin/Draisaitl/Rantanen
Henrique/Nuge/Brown
Janmark/McCarron/Kapanen

Ekholm/Bouch
Nurse/Emberson
Kulak/Whoever prospect/cheap sign

Gibson
Pickard.

If they can get Rantanen at 12 or less then it will work.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

I’d rather keep the local, younger, Conn Smythe winning* goalie even if it means he gets a raise.

* subject to change

DevilsLettuce

I’d rather the team not overpay their goaltending, Skinners next contract will become an overpay unless he accepts 4mil or less.

Vejmelka, Lyon, Ridditch, Lankinen, Vladar, several others are all FA at season end. Lots of ways to rebuild the tending without overpaying a low tier starter.

Bill

Switch out Gibson with anybody else(money comparable) and that’s a roster that could give ‘er.

DevilsLettuce

Exactly, doesn’t need to be Gibson.

If they can be as dominate as they are now with Skinner earning less then 3 million, they can be just as dominate with a different tender earning less then whatever Skinners next contract will become.

Bill

I completely agree DL

Reja

We should be grooming 2 goalies in the minors while we’re speak if Rodrique doesn’t have the goods then get someone who does. We don’t have the luxury of paying a Average Joe 6 million.There’s lots of Goalies you can get on value contracts it’s being able to identify and then getting 2-3 of these Goalies in the system. Once Bowman settles down I believe this happens.

DevilsLettuce

Lots of evidence around the league you can succeed successfully without over paying your tenders(the Oilers currently) I hope Stan completely rebuilds the mostly goalie aspect of the organization. Rodrigue is most likely washed out by the looks of it. Bring in a group of fringe tenders with warts and see what can be cured.

dcsj

Man, LT, you are getting my hopes way up. Don’t know if I can handle it at my age!!!

OriginalPouzar

I won’t let myself think that for a second Mikko Rantanen will be signing with the Oilers. I know the cap is going up and up but at the same time, in addition to Drai signed for $14MM, Bouchard will be in the $10MM range and McDavid $16MM plus – add Nurse at $9.5MM and SKinner (or replacement) in the $5MM plus range in due course and, well……..

I’m sure there could be various fenagling of cap commitments on GM mode to fin him in but, realistically, I just don’t see it.

I look forward to the Bouchard extension, in due course (and that might be August – sigh).

Shamus23

I do wonder if Bouchard plays out this season without a major increase in production ( points of course). And then does not have near the playoff like last year ( let’s hope he is great) if they don’t try and bridge him with a 7 mill for 2 deal. Or they offer him a 8.5-9 deal for 8.
His Agent definitely has him betting on himself this season and thus far he is not having a year like last ( Thus far on points with 0 pp goals especially) .
He is tracking to be 66 ish points at his rate now. That would be 16 off last years total. That is a big chunk of points.
But his bet of not signing this past summer could come back to bite him in terms of a longterm contract over 9 ish mill.
Of course he could go nuclear in the last 30 ish and the playoffs, and that would change everything.
1 question is would an offer sheet worry the Oilers on Bouchard? Not sure a contending team would do that, but would a midland or lower team like a Chicago with tons of cash do that ( especially if they trade that 9 mill plus contract of Jones) ). What if they offer 13. ( this is just hypothetical of course) Would the Oilers take 4 1sts and go sign a Chycrun ( albeit a Lefty) who is having a great year.
Now of course as OP says they may just say screw it, he had a bit of an off year, let’s just give him 10/8. Hopefully he doesn’t come out and ask for 12 lol

OriginalPouzar

I don’t think the Oilers would want a two-year bridge walking him right to UFA unless there was a major discount.

I don’t think that offer sheets are a realistic risk at this point as I presume that, if not signed by the deadline (which is very early in the off-season), Bouchard files for arb which shields from offer sheets.

I would expect a deal before the arb hearing but that would give Bouchard leverage as, I believe, in arb, 2-years of stats are useable an his PPG last season is real.

Reja

Might as well get Ray Bourque and Tretiak while we’re at it.

Pretendergast

Did the math in a previous post a while ago. It’s doable. You feel the pain for 1 year then it opens up enough.

Mcdavid has 1 more year in the summer you add Rantanen so the cost certainly makes it negligible. Drai up, Bouch at 10, Rantanen at 12.5 with Kane/Skinner out still leaves you with around a million or two for an Emberson extension and depth ala Scory, Kap, Brown. If the choice is Rantanen or Emberson, I like the kid but sorry, get ready to learn Duckenese Ty.

It’d be a great year to be a prospect breaking into the league at minimum dough next year in that scenario (knock knock Savoie/Philp).

OriginalPouzar

Oilers practice today – this is exciting to me – feels like a few days away from the start of the season but, moreso, its the start of the stretch drive.

5 game roadie coming up!

I wouldn’t think Ek or Arvy will be at practice today.

I’m looking for maybe a bit of an Arvy heater coming up – he played well in games 1 and 3 for Finland (didn’t see much of the game with Finland).

ArmchairGM

Forget Rantanen. Wait another year and sign Kaprizov. He’s a legit river-pusher.

Harpers Hair

Washington is home to a brace of Russian/Belarussian players and prospects.

Kaprizov hits free agency just as Ovechkin and his $9.5 million cap hit come off the books.

With that and TJ Oshie ($5.75M) John Carlson ($8M) TVR ($3M) as well as the cap penalty for Kuznetsov ($3.9M) aging out, the Capitals will be awash in cap space.

With the cap rising, PuckPedia has them with $64.4M in available cap space in 26/27.

Side

“Washington is home to a brace of Russian/Belarussian players and prospects.”

How many Russian/Belarussian players does Washington have compared to other teams?

Harpers Hair

3 on the current roster.

6 prospects.

Side

And compared to other teams?

ArmchairGM

Maybe look up the definition of “a brace”?

Scungilli Slushy

I think Bennett might have a bigger effect than Rantanen would on the team, even if he would score less. He’ll also be half the cap hit presumably

They need more players that have jam and drive the scoring areas always. The Oilers as they are keep reverting to playing outside without consistent traffic to support playing that less effective way

Rantanen may see his output decline as an Oiler, maybe not with Connor but then you’re in the same pickle the Avs were, a very expensive player that only warrants the contract when with one player

Bennett and Frederic for me. I like Kane but it may be time to move on given his age and mileage

Harpers Hair

Quinn Hughes on his way to Boston to replace McAvoy in the US lineup.

Shamus23

Where is this reported

Harpers Hair

Frank Seravalli

@frank_seravalli

So much in-flux this morning. I was told one hour ago that they couldn’t add anyone.

Mike Sullivan now says Quinn Hughes is en route to join USA as an injury replacement.

Harpers Hair

Elliotte Friedman

Sullivan: “I would anticipate Auston Matthews being available for the championship game.”

The Tkachuk brothers are also expected to play

Shamus23

Hughes can’t hit, but he is a great Skater and passer, but remember in the 7 game series against Edmonton, Kane beat him down with hard hits as did others and he was taken right out of the last 4 games. Hit him hard. As for Tkachuk’s and Matthews , pretty much knew they were resting. And Brady rested after the ramming of the post

Reja

Americans are feeling the vibe they’re taking this game serious. All I see from team Canada so far is lip service.

buck yoakam

apparently the mighty Quinn cannot play unless another d man for the us is injured…

Harpers Hair

Just listening to the FAN Hockey Show.

Both hosts…Mike Futa and Matt Marchese expect the US will find a way to get Hughes into the lineup.

General McDavid

Sullivan to Kreider. “Chris, ask not what your country can do for you, but what fake flu you can catch to help your country.”

90s fan

Time for someone to channel their inner Tanya Harding?

Traveller

Yes, why would Bettman expect Team USA to follow the rules? Cough, cough!

OriginalPouzar

I believe he cannot play unless there is another injury and any of the current 6 cannot play.

Per Friedman

Harpers Hair

Flu is running rampant through both teams.

Reja

Hughes will be in the line-up the U.S.A wants this game badly.

Pretendergast

100% chance he plays after the chicanery Canada pulled with Makar.

When in Rome.

90s fan

Speaking of James Neal, his 2M comes off the books this year.

I am trying to figure how the Oilers can afford Rantenan. Not worried as much about McD as we will shed Henrique (3M), Arvi (4M) Kane (5M) and Ek (6M) by the time that contract comes due. Not to mention cap jumps. But more so thinking about next year and signing Bouchard.

Bouchard is due a what, 6M raise, to make it 10M? (I have no clue – I think I saw some suggesting this before)

Rantenan wants what, 14M?

Salary cap = 88, will increase by 8M to 96M
We are at the cap, but will shed 2M for Neal. So without thinking about expiring contracts we will have 10M. After Bouchards raise we have 4M. Skinner will be gone (3M), he needs to be replaced, lets say we replace him with Rant. We now have 7M. (still short by 7). I can’t figure where thats coming from. So ya, I’m gonna say we don’t sign Rant in the summer, unless we are letting Bouchard walk. NOT a good idea.

As an aside, puckpedia uses a boat anchor to symbolize a no move clause. I think thats kind of funny.

Shamus23

Rantanen is not worth 14 mill. He looks nowhere near an 8 million player since his trade. Oilers would be nuts to pay that. They could go after a really good #4 Dman Pionk would be a really good grab for 7 -7.5 possibly if the Peg don’t resign him , and a solid
Guy like Bennet for 7-7.5

RockySLeafs

Trade Bouchard at the trade deadline for Rantanen and immediately sign him at 12 million x 7.
…probably not eh?

ArmchairGM

MacKinnon floats all boats.

In Colorado Rantanen did NOT push the river without MacKinnon. He’s well below 50% in most stats w/o 29 over the past 2.5 seasons.

Crazy Pedestrian

Just to further complicate things, yes Neal’s Buyout ($1.92M cap) is off the books. BUT Campbell BO cap increases by $1.2M next year (from $1.1M to $2.3M). So Oilers really only gain 700k.

Rantanen is a pipe dream. Stan would need to trade Kane AND somehow get Nuge to waive his NMC and trade him as well (which would NOT go over well with the team and fans)

90s fan

Didn’t notice that about Campbells buyout. Dang.

90s fan

Also didnt figure in Drai’s raise. There is like no space.

RockySLeafs

Maybe I’m wrong but if Kane is traded or goes on LTIR again for the year, that’s 5 mil, Henrique is 3 mil. Trade out Ardvisson and there is 12 million more or less

Shamus23

Rantanen was not good in the 2 games I watched in this tourney.
I see Macavoy is out for Thursday’s game. That will hurt the States for sure. He was a beast on McDavid and in general that 1st game.
As for Rantanen, I wonder with his bad start if Carolina flips him. ( some chatter about that from some heads. Not sure if it has any legs). I can’t see the Oilers in on that, but you never know. He hasn’t been good since he was traded really. Big guy and thought he would have busted out in this tourney. He didnt
No clue what position or players or player the Oil get at the deadline. Kane is like getting a guy, as long as he is 100% I think he will be a huge help.
But I still wish Savoie would be in the lineup this weekend for a look see.
Watching a couple of the Swedes games Arvidson looked good, especially last night. Hope he comes back and goes on a heater.
Going to be a fun couple weeks to deadline day.
Go Canada Go

Tarkus

Prospectricity!

Akey & Wakely, Attorneys at Law missed out on yesterday’s matinee fun as their match was postponed by Mother Nature’s shenanigans. As such, it shall be played tonight instead @ 5 p.m. Whitelaw time.

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90s fan

A 3rd to the flames cause Neal scored close ro 20.

A third for hiring a fired TMac.

A third for hiring a fired Chia (aint that one a kicknin the nuts).

Did any other team have to drop a third in short time that rule existed, or was it just oilers?

Shamus23

lol, no shit.

Bruce McCurdy

It was a second for Chiarelli, who had literally already been fired. Oilers saved the Bruins his owed salary AND had to send them a second for the privilege.

TMc status was a little less crystallized as he had not been fired but his time with the Sharks was clearly winding down. IIRC they officially “agreed to part company” or similar, & the Sharks got the executive compensation when Old Flat Top was hired by the Oilers.

Of the 7 draft picks to change hands under that brief, wrong-headed policy, 2 came from the Oilers & 2 from Ottawa. Their crime was trying to improve their struggling franchises.

Side note: the Sens were the same team that Boston poached Chiarelli from in the first place. No compensation for that, natch.

90s fan

Thanks for that!

Pretendergast

And he had 11 more than Lucic. Neal needed 10 more than Looch and Neal to score 21.

I maintain the NHL didn’t like how cute Holland got with the trade and when given the opportunity disincentivized others from putting very specific conditions again.

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