Canadiens at Oilers, G62 2024-25

by Lowetide
  • On the road to: CAR (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ANA, MTL, DAL (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: BUF, NJD, NYI, NYR (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: UTA, WPG, SEA, DAL (Expected 2-2-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: SEA (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: CGY (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 7-5-2, 16 points in 14 games
  • March result: 1-1-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 35-22-4, 74 points in 61 games

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DevilsLettuce

With Rishaugs verbal today about Kane increasingly looking like he won’t be back until the playoffs, could Jeff Skinner waive his NTC being part of package that ships him back to Carolina? Does a Jinner, Akey, 1st land Rantanen?

Can they get Ekholm to sit until the playoffs? giving the team more room to add in another top flight available defender?

Mouth breathers fume that the coach survives another day while the Oilers add in some physical play skating to a 4-3 Victory.

godot10

The first player Brind’Amour sent packing when he became head coach was Jeff Skinner.

DevilsLettuce

Maybe they miss eachother, maybe he hates Rantanen more.

OriginalPouzar

Per Rishaug

My understanding is Kane hasn’t put back to back days of intense workouts together, and as the deadline draws near it’s perhaps becoming more apparent that a return at playoff time is more likely.. with that said they’ll be careful here, but my sense is we could see them with more space to work with than previously thought.

This always seemed more likely to me.

Now, of course, the prices are too damn high to add $5MM of cap hit…..

Tarkus

Parayko is out at least 6 weeks with a knee injury.

Bowman trying to swing a deal for him as we speak.*

*Kidding! I think…

godot10

The Blues were just beginning to put the heat on Vancouver and Calgary.

Jaxon

That injury is perfect! Trade for him! He won’t count against the cap if they LTIR him will he? “at least 6 weeks” puts him at April 17, which is the last day of regular season. He’s big and unusually fast for such a big guy. He’s from Edmonton. They need a big RHD.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Any interest in giving a chance to a waived Tyler Pitlick (R shot forward)? Boston just signed him to a 1 yr contract… then they had to waive him to send him to the AHL.

Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville

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I remember Jones’ 2 goal game last season and that he’d scored in the prior game as well. Those were goals that caught my attention. Here’s hoping (this is extremely unlikely) he finds that magic and bring that speed and energy tonight.

FWIW, he play a 3rd game vs Edmonton last season and he didn’t distinguish himself and the previous season he also was not noticeable in 3 games.

I do like the add as a 4th line reinforcement and I’m glad we get to see him in the line-up right away.

anti-Trust Issues

The Oilers have a world of issues currently and many of them can’t be solved at the deadline and won’t be solved before the playoffs.

This^. I’ve had this feeling for most of the year that the Oilers are on track to get bounced in the second round (or even earlier) and I see so many more holes in this roster than I did last year, in part because a decent chunk of the roster is playing worse than they did last year.

I do not understand why Bowman blew his load for a rental depth piece when it seems pretty clear that the team has more pressing needs and is more than a couple of depth pieces away from a stanley run.

The smarter play would’ve been to acquire players under 30 with term who will be here the next few years. I think Frederic is as good as gone next year.

Instead, it’s another “Kesselring and a 3rd for 40 games of Nick Bjugstad” trade, with a few more of those to come by the looks of it, and the team will have the same, if not more, holes this upcoming offseason, only with fewer draft picks.

LMHF#1

The coach appears to have run out of ideas.

Not that he actually tried too many of them in the first place.

Without the benefit of anything “in the room” that would convince otherwise, that would be my deadline move.

You can trot out all the regular season winning %s you want – he’s here for more than just making the playoffs.

90s fan

You can trot out coach after coach after coach. There is no coach who will satisfy. Eventually there will be a tough patch and we will realize they don’t have the magic touch.

LMHF#1

I strongly disagree.

One of the measures of a coach of a team as talented as this one is if he can prevent anything beyond a 3 game losing streak. And limit those as well.

What concerns me about Knoblauch is he’s a classic “impose my method” coach (even though his method isn’t drastic) as opposed to a “use what I have optimally” coach.

That and his complete fumbling of his new players this year.

I’d hoped he would grow through both of those – he hasn’t.

He’s also shown no ability to get more out of McDavid or get him on track – Sather’s greatest power as a coach was getting the most out of his top guys by figuring out what they needed.

Scungilli Slushy

I agree. I think some people don’t factor in that you can’t compare the Oilers to most teams, it’s not apples to apples. When you have two players like they do. And a lot of other good players

The Oilers need more than a good coach. They need a coach that can lead a group like they are, and keep responding to where they are at and pushing them forward. They haven’t had that and I think that’s why they keep reverting. They haven’t been able to take that next step that the Gretzky Messier Oilers did, and is 10 years in for Connor. I see the situation as very similar to then

The success they have had I think has been driven by the maturation of the core, and that just happens. They are that good they can drive success, but they have reached the finals once, been bounced earlier than expected a couple of times. Most people expected after a few years experience a Connor McDavid lead team would be challenging for a Cup, didn’t happen

A huge part of that was the GMs not being able to build the right balance. Getting better players especially after Edmonton became a place players would go – which was years ago according to Winter – should be easy for any competent GM, that is GM 101, building a team that can win a Cup is harder and what matters

It takes more than talks about team goals and doling out TOI to get compliance. No coach has had success with the Oilers doing that, and then needing to revert to overplaying the Duo. It takes a strong personality and leader, not a tyrant, to take them through battle. McLellan was closest, but I think his style was not a good fit. Typical org response to get a tough, grumpy, defensive coach because of how they were playing. He is also an old school yeller and F bomber in practices, and that’s not what mean by leading, even if it may be necessary at times

The Panthers – spit – did it. The GM finds players they think fit what they need as Zito said about Jones and Bennett when he got him. That play the aggressive game they want or have the traits needed

He hired Maurice who is a big personality and strong. They did this ina few years as the Oilers once did. Their road to winning again is much harder because they don’t have elite players other than Barkov, but they will go hammer and tongs. Wouldn’t have beat us if the team was healthier bcs of elite talent. It’s the ace in the hole if you play your cards right

anti-Trust Issues

I think it’s become pretty clear he was brought in because of his relationship with 97, he’s struggled to adapt and the last 20 games or so have had some baffling decisions

Sierra

Who are you suggesting for a replacement coach? And why?

rich tm

Something that Bruce McCurdy mentioned on LT’s show yesterday (just got to listen to it) is the team is just exhausted. That would also go a long way to explaining some of the performance (at least for McDavid, Nuge, Hyman, Henrique) along with injury/illness (Ekholm).

This was the danger in running a short & older roster. The team has run out of gas an is worn out from the compressed schedule, and getting beat up because there’s no one except 39 year old Corey Perry able to push back.

Does not sound promising for the rest of the season.

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OriginalPouzar

Max Jones played with Bouchard in London and it sounds like they were quite close.

Maybe Bouch just needs a friend after losing Holloway, McLeod and Foegele from his team peer group.

OriginalPouzar

DNB:

Per Knoblauch, Jones and Dineen will make their Oilers debuts. Ekholm and Klingberg (minor injury) won’t play. J. Skinner is a scratch. S. Skinner starts in net.

Projected forward lines:

RNH-McDavid-Hyman

Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson

Janmark-Henrique-Brown

Jones-Kapanen-Perry

Rafa Nadal

Ekholm and Klingberg out tonight. Dineen draws in.

Yikes.

OriginalPouzar

Max Jones in the lineup tonight.

Rogue

In my world, the Oil trade J.Skinner and Klingburg for Provorov. But of course, I would also have Marilyn Monroe waiting at home for me, also. In my world.

Pretendergast

Best I can do is Marilyn Manson and a plastic desk fan.

Gaz Gazzersson

I’m calling J Skinz to Columbus

OriginalPouzar

 The Oilers have a world of issues currently and many of them can’t be solved at the deadline and won’t be solved before the playoffs.

The Oilers issues can be solved with the core incumbent returning to established levels of performance: McDavid, Ekholm, Bouchard, Nuge, Hyman.

There is a second tier of players that can play better, Henrique, Brown, Janmark but the key is the top group.

Without McDavid being a material out scorer at 5 on 5, this team will not compete late for a Stanley.

cowboy bill

Knoblauch has hit the nail on the head with one word ” fragile”. Which is surprising for a veteran team like Edmonton. They need some piss & vinegar is all.

OriginalPouzar

Well, Max Jones is playing tonight and, while I’m not sure Jones will be in the healthy playoff lineup, the addition of Kane, Frederick and Jones should certainly change the dynamic of the group.

Bruce McCurdy

a.k,a, the first unit, which has routinely been dominant as a 5-man collective for 2 years.

OriginalPouzar

A 2nd rounder and a prospect for Brian Dumoulin……… prices that depth dman are too high.

John Chambers

Last week I was hopeful the Oilers could acquire Vejmelka and Maataa for a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect (Rodrigue). Clearly I was dreaming.

TheGreatBigMac

The rent is too damb high!

ArmchairGM

Wow… Stan might be forced to sit this one out. Not enough in the cupboards to buy depth pieces even.

godot10

$4.5 million per for two years for a top four D doesn’t sound so bad now Stan.

Need a new plan Stan.

Dee Dee

Andy Moog will forever hold a special place in my heart for his performance against Montreal in 1981. I still believe that is the reason that the NHL changed the first round of the playoffs from a best of 5 to a best of 7.

Trade idea I haven’t seen mentioned would be Kane for Zegras, especially if Evander is insisting playing in regular season games. Anaheim looks to be bulking up and Kane would be a good fit, Zegras would be interesting playing with Connor.

I’m still wondering if the Oil are still suffering a residual hangover from their crappy cup final loss and have realized that the regular season doesn’t mean anything and are saving it for the playoffs…

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teddyturnbuckle

I remember when Moog came in. He looked like the coaches kid in net. It was a cinderella moment against the mighty Habs. Every kid on my street wanted to take a turn pretending to be Andy Moog while wearing home made bed foam street hockey pads.

Bruce McCurdy

That was in 1981. The NhL changed the first round to best-of-7 in 1987.

There was no coming back for the Habs that spring, they lost 6-3, 3-1, & 6-2 & couldn’t handle Edmonton’s speed & talent.

Reja

Mogg was unbelievable and the silky smooth skating of Coffey was on full display. Having Danny Gallivan and Dick Irvin praising the Oilers over and over had this fan in 7th heaven. When Messier had the incident with Robinson revealed to me that they weren’t scared of the mighty Habs and they would do whatever it took to win. Sather built that team from lower than scratch and made sure he always had competitive gamers surrounding his core players.

Scungilli Slushy

I’ve been saying the template was always in house

Just do what Sather did, hockey hasn’t changed that much. In fact it’s the way the Oilers and Sather changed it to, once the league started letting them play again post dead puck era

cowboy bill

It will be interesting to see what magic Bowman can achieve at the TDL. If he can go back to Boston one more time for Carlo & Geekie that would be spectacular. Oleksiak out of Seattle would be ridiculously outstanding. I’m beginning to think Arvid Soderblom out of Chicago might even be a reasonably good young goaltender to run alongside Skinner for the rest of the season, then maybe spent the summer looking to upgrade goaltending even further. But the reality is we may only see something like, Ollie Maatta & Kevin Stenlund out of Utah, which would be ok I suppose.

Good luck tonight against Les Canadiens.

Canadians are tough. Go Canada.

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GrafSupra

Oleksiak does not move the needle.
Certainly not at 4.6M. He would be Edmonton’s 5th D, at best.

rev.hans

That series in 1971 turned me into hockey fan. Watching Dryden, an articulate hockey player —OMG!—, work magic against that powerful Bruins team. I was smitten.
Thanks for the memory.
But as far as I know, the Oilers don’t have a hot handed goalie in the system. And all those names I’ve heard trotted out do not in any way look like a 1971 Ken Dryden.
In the meantime, a few words from Casey Stengel that I think apply to these Oilers today; “If we’re going to win the pennant, we’ve got to start thinking we’re not as good as we think we are.”

ps. LT or anyone with insight & history here: Why, if Patrick Maroon was so good with McD, was he traded? It seems like the Oilers have been looking for him ever since.

Kert

ps. LT or anyone with insight & history here: Why, if Patrick Maroon was so good with McD, was he traded? It seems like the Oilers have been looking for him ever since.

Patrick Maroon was good with McDavid for Patrick Maroon. 27 goals in 81 games is a lot for Maroon. So is 14g in 57 games. Absolutely career bests.

Kane has done 22 in 43, 16 in 41 and 24 goals in 77 games.
Hyman has done 27, in 76, 36 in 79, 54 in 80 and 20 in 56.

I’d argue they haven’t been looking for him ever since, they have* two significantly superior players right now.

As far as why he was moved out; Oilers were missing the playoffs and he was going to be a UFA. Good asset management to move him out.

(*Have might be a stretch with Kane, we’ll see what happens in the next few days. Hopefully he comes back healthy, rested and firing on all cylinders, etc)

rev.hans

Thanks.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

FIFA concerned about America being ready for the World Cup.

Let’s take advantage of this moment and correct the blunder: World Cup games at Commonwealth.

Rafa Nadal

FIFA wants priority use of our healthcare infrastructure for players and staff during the tournament. They can kick rocks.

MushedPeas

Dryden? Roy?

I’d take the modern Adin Hill.

in terms of finding a cheap goalie with limited pedigree and somehow riding them to glory.

OriginalPouzar

I thought it was going to start last game but I guess it got delayed until tonight.

It’s time. It’s time to get back to a commitment to structure and to effort.

Manage the puck, win battles, bear down in chances and make stops at a reasonable level.

McDavid, Bouchard, Ekholm, Hyman, Nuge – core of the team – play better.

cowboy bill

If it doesn’t start tonight, it better start the next game after the TDL with some reinforcements.

SVR

Read that John Gibson left the Ducks game last night with an injury. May as well buy him a ticket to Edmonton. He can have the locker right next to Frederic, Regula, and Jarvantie

cowboy bill

funny.

90s fan

Ha!

ArmchairGM

We could have a Gibson – Demko tandem!

rev.hans

Or Thatcher Demko. He’d fit there too.

Melman

This feels like a season that won’t be corrected until summer. Agent turned instant GM for a SCF team misses at the plate big time and another year slips through like sand in your hand. Cart before the horse again. Hopefully Stan stops the addiction to handing out NTCs like Oprah hands out car keys.

Pretendergast

Shows been off the air for 14 years. The team is still good at hockey. They’ve moved to the losing games they should win portion. 6-2 was lopsided but they dominated Anaheim for the first 18 minutes and were left with a 4-1 score. That won’t happen forever.

Stu could turn around like Smith did TDL 2022 any minute now tho.

Lucid Oil

It would really surprise me if Skinner doesn’t start tonight…unless something is up.

cowboy bill

I don’t think the other Skinner will be playing either. Max Jones will take his place no doubt.
Have an eye for #46 tonight, should be eye opening.

Lucid Oil

Ok, so that is exactly what Lowetide said. Need to have my coffee before I post!!!

Tarkus

Prospectrination!

A Thor’s Day quintet takes the ice. Would have been a septet a week ago but for (a) Wakely getting suspended and (2) Lachance’s rights getting dealt.

It’s a bloody shame that Akey’s junior career has been derailed by injury, losing almost a year of development. Having just turned 20 last month, he is still junior-eligible for next season, and he’ll be better served playing big minutes in the O. His 28 points in 45 games (0.62 p/p/g) this season is off the pace of his draft year (0.71). And now with Wanner a goner, it’s even more important that Akey pan out as the Oilers were not exactly flush with RHD prospects to begin with.

The House of Stone’s 8 + 6 in 22 Pete games is an improvement over his 5 + 5 in 18 GP with Ottawa, perhaps a function of more ice time on a weaker team. (Mind you, Ottawa is no screaming hell either and could also miss the postseason.) Following the 37 goals in 68 GP that got him signed, he has scored only 33 in the 104 GP since. One suspects his future involves a lot of time in the ECHL.

Copponi’s numbers are modest on a deeper BU team than his old Merrimack squad. He has 4 + 14 in 32 GP but is tied for 2nd in plus-minus with +13, so there’s that. Will it be enough to get him signed after his senior season is done? We wait.

Similarly, the Vermonters’ collegiate careers will end this spring. Määttä leads the Catamounts with 9 + 17 in 32 GP while Münzenberger has 4 + 7 in 28 GP.

Vermont (Määttä, Münzenberger) @ 5 p.m.
Boston University (Copponi) @ 5 p.m.
Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5 p.m.
Peterborough (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.

All times are the same time and are also Bircham time.

Shamus23

It will be interesting to see if Max Jones draws in tonight. I like the idea they recalled him right away and hopefully give him a shot on the 4th line. Someone mentioned the soil asked for him to be a part of the trade. Jones has a quick 1st step and can skate. He can be a real pain to play against and can be chippy. When he drops the mitts he is tough.
Looking at his scouting report from when he came out of London, some thought he would be a top line PF. Guess that didn’t come to fruition. But the way this bottom 6 doesn’t hit and can’t seem to keep up with most other teams of late, maybe the Oil Scouts and brass feel he can come in and add some grit to a team that desperately needs some.

Tarkus

He will be wearing Zack (Huggy Bear) Stortini’s #46 if/when he draws in.

Shamus23

Nice , hope it is tonight

rich tm

Zorg!

Bar_Qu

Old and slow was the plan for the bottom six last June. I hope Jones can help reverse that a little (and bring up Philp already!).

drewbot

has been the player mantra for a long time, they are in a terrible spot when their oldest player has the most moxie on the team. no pushback at all, are a classic win one way team. there is time to make a few changes and adjust culture as well. if you look at hitting stats this year game to game leaders are almost always the new players to the team.

cowboy bill

I expect to see (46-42-90) fourth line tonight.

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