A Mountain Cascade

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Lutefisk

Was it the G-Man or was the K-Man who said

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world

Bad Seed

One might say that the best acquisition this year might be Stan Bowman.

dangilitis

How’s this for offense through 10 GP in P/GP (regular season P/GP):
1 McDavid 1.7 (1.49)
2 Draisaitl 1.5 (1.49)
3 Bouch 1.2 (0.82)
4 Nuge 0.9 (0.63)
5 Hyman 0.8 (0.6)
6 Kane 0.78 (n/a)
7 Perry 0.7 (0.37)
8 Brown 0.7 (0.37)
9 Podz 0.6 (0.29)

Let’s do 5v5 points per 60 through 10 playoff games (regular season P/60):
1 McDavid 3.66 (2.65)
2 Podkolzin 3.31 (1.43)
3 Kane 2.99 (n/a)
4 Draisaitl 2.68 (2.74)
5 Arvidsson 2.49 (1.36)
6 Brown 2.39 (1.6)
7 Perry 2.18 (1.45)
8 Bouchard 2.07 (1.3)
9 Janmark 1.96 (0.92)
10 Henrique 1.95 (1.07)
11 Hyman 1.91 (1.67)
12 RNH 1.80 (1.24)

By comparison, in the regular season, only 3 players, McDavid, Draisaitl, and Skinner, had more than 1.7 P/60 (Skinner had 5.44 P/60 in game 1, but I excluded him for obvious reasons)

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Harpers Hair

Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson among others reinstated by MLB and now eligible goth the Hall of Fame.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45115659/pete-rose-shoeless-joe-jackson-players-reinstated-mlb

kinger_OIL

— so happy for the legacy of Pete Rose. I’ve read everything on it and always believed he deserved to be (I’ve read all the reports downloaded them so this isn’t a “snippet” take). Despite his failings.

— Glad MLB finally came to the “just” take

— one day I will tell my Pete Rose + Hector Macho Comacho encounter in Vegas

kinger_OIL

— Further the “roid” players Bond McGwire Sosa Clemons : they too should be in HoF:

— Steroids was not illegal in Baseball during most of their careers.

— baseball benefited greatly from the roid era and implicitly approved it

Reja

They did allow all the players ripped on Cocaine Tim Raines etc.

DevilsLettuce

Bonds was a HOF before the scientific juices added in.

Reja

They sure should of did this years ago and he should of have had his moment in Copperstown as the greatest hitter ever.

Harpers Hair

The Orange Man called on MLB to reinstate Rose before his funeral but they declined.

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Reja

It was so petty of the MLB Commissioners. Everyone makes mistakes it was personal nobody likes to see a man get tortured like they did to Pete.

Moonlight

Wow

anti-Trust Issues

St. Kulak, who art on defense,
Steady be thy game.
Thy first pass come,
Thy breakout done,
On home ice as it is on the road
Give us this day a clean zone exit,
And forgive us our turnovers,
As we forgive those who forecheck against us.
And lead us not into giveaways,
But deliver us from odd-man rushes.
For thine is the skating, the gap control,
And the calm under pressure,
Forever and ever,
Amen.

DevilsLettuce

Kulak took your crush to the 50 cent theater, she enjoyed his popcorn.

dangilitis

Having depth in your regular lines and pairings is one thing. Having depth beyond that in your reserves is another.

Being able to throw in players “off the bench” against differing opponents is something we see in NBA e.g. running a “small ball” lineup, but not many NHL teams have that luxury of throwing in players with different strengths to capitalize on different strategies.

Kapanen, Skinner, Savoie, Ryan, Philp, and Jones all bring different elements and the first 3 players could each reasonably fill in as a top 9 forward. Maybe Savoie would be in the deep end, but not far fetched.

D isn’t as deep, but if we count that Ekholm is possibly capable of returning, having Emberson and Stecher as reserves would also be great depth.

OriginalPouzar

Berezkin with Loco’s lone goal in a 2-1 loss today.

anti-Trust Issues

I did not predict Kane would be as big of a factor as he has been this postseason. I thought he would still have value if he was a bottom 6 winger who could stir the pot and forecheck like hell, but man he has been unreal this postseason.

To drop right into a playoff run after not having played a game in a year is surprising.

Evander I should have never doubted you. Him immediately popping his helmet off and looking for a dance partner after the scrum in the corner after he got cross-checked into Hill was great.

Henrique has had quiet stretches but last night’s game showed he has a lot of skill and is an underrated offensive player. He got some looks on the PP late in the year and looked good, maybe it helped him rediscover something. He’s a great fit with Brown particularly (although with how they’re playing Brown and Kane would be a good fit for any C on the roster lol)

dangilitis

I was pretty confident in Kaner

dangilitis

Reply to  OriginalPouzar

 April 22, 2025 5:03 pm

Count me in the group that believes they’ve pulled a Mark Stone with Kane. They are being careful with what they are saying, but it was a tell when Kane basically said he feels way better than he did at any point in the prior playoff season (when he did have a modest impact in initial rounds).

I really believe he can make an impact offensively and physically. I do worry that not playing for a year can be a challenge for someone on the D side, but that was never his obvious strength. If he can play a feature role as a winger in the top 6, that changes the whole complexion of the forward group, and makes match-up decisions easier

But, then again, after game 2 round 1, I was ready to trade half the roster, so I am not the most credible supporter lol

anti-Trust Issues

Good for you lol

dangilitis

I was actually wrong. He’s been responsible defensively, as well 😉
Forgot how clever he is at relieving pressure with a nicely weighted clear that lands shy of the goal line and definitely putting in effort on the back check.

kinger_OIL

— how do you do “searches” on posts (or do you just save all your entries?!

dangilitis

I just remember the day I posted in, because it was just prior to his return. No saving, and don’t know how else to find old posts.

anti-Trust Issues

So you just went back to find a post of yours from a month ago to tell everyone “SEE, I was right!”

Nice

dangilitis

It didn’t take very long, because I remembered the day.

I also mixed it with some self-deprecating reflection that I have also been wrong with my predictions and thoughts. See, I am willing to admit to being wrong and calling myself out. Some people could do a little more of that here from time to time, don’t you think?

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leadfarmer

Google it. Put in lowetide and your username and what it was regards to and you can find it

Reja

Every penalty he’s recieved was because of his reputation. I’m super impressed how smart he’s playing also as a team leader. He wants this Cup as bad as Leon-Connor

ArmchairGM

So it turns out when the team plays tight defensive hockey the goalie looks pretty good, when they play loose like Crazy horse at the Filmore he doesn’t.

Who knew.

DevilsLettuce

Skinner was not flubbing pucks, playing skinny, nor losing the net behind him. Yes the team played much better infront of him, but let’s not act like Skinner didn’t improve his own personal game just as much if not more between games 3 and 4.

DevilsLettuce

Henrique had a regular season that completely deflated me on the player, looked absolutely disinterested and almost Foegele level of pouting in his role.

What a playoffs Henrique is having, a complete turn around. The goal of the series so far with the celebration that has TMac calling up Yakupov to give him shit one last time.

Kudos Henrique.

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Reja

It’s to bad he was hurt last playoff Henrique is at the age where regular season mean squat. It’s all about the playoffs he knows he’s a depth player that needs to be a threat to score. You can’t make it through 4 rounds without a positive net 3rd line and a functional 4th.

anti-Trust Issues

I got flamed after G3 for saying I thought Skinner was okay and I was optimistic that he built some confidence with some good moments.

Obviously the team played a much better game in front of him but he looked better than he has in a while (months?)

Hope he can keep it up, even if he cedes the crease to Pickard when he’s healthy

smellyglove

Posted this last night, but do you know why the Oil are up 3-1 in round 2?

Wahlman 15-3 ES GF-GA
Kane ~66% xGF ES

finn_fann

Wahlman might turn out to be Bowman’s Ekholm. What a great in-season addition

DexandRuby

Imagine being a prospect in the king system today. I am curious to see what La will do this off season. I hope they blow their load on someone like Nikolai ehlers, and the Barry Bonds of hockey from Florida which will create no playing time for Clarke òr Spencè

Reja

Holland will sign proven free agents and will trade all futures to win now mode. I see St.Louis (Armstrong) and Detroit ( Yzerman) benefiting from Hollands urgency. I also expect to see his Son within the L.A organization as a replacement just like I believe he had planned in Edmonton.

tapper

Goal 2 highlight is kinda hilarious. Knee-slide cellies for 3 guys on one side of the ice, oblivious to Kane (then Nurse) taking on 6 Vegas players on the other side.

leadfarmer

Can’t wait for Bouch to sign a extension so he can go back to “sucking”

SVR

I wonder if there were any contact talks during the season. Might have been able to get him under 10. Not likely now if he keeps doing what he does in the playoffs

90s fan

Tongue in cheek?

What’ll really get your goat is the Skinner extension.

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leadfarmer

HHism. Bouch sucks, but now he needs a contract so he’s gonna get offersheeted for huge money, and then he sucks again when he’s signed long term.

Side

Bouchard’s evolution through the eyes of HH from what I recall

“Terrible pick, the Oilers drafted the wrong D”

“Don’t get your hopes up about Bouchard. Elite D show themselves early and Bouchard is not elite”

“Bouchard is sitting because he is not an NHL defenseman. Ty Smith passed him like a house on the side of the road and my money is on Juuso Valimaki being the better player”

“Oilers really overpaid Bouchard. He is not an NHL player”

“Oilers really underpaid Bouchard – they should have locked him up long term”

“Bouchard will want extra money on his next contract because the Oilers nickel and dimed him and he wants to catch up to his peers financially”

“Bouchard is not elite”

“The Oilers are stupid for thinking of paying Bouchard at his elite production – they can’t afford him”

“The Oilers will be stupid if they let Bouchard go on an offer sheet and will be stupid if they match”

90s fan

HHism. Nice.

Whaler Slamamoto

Amazing game by the Oilers! Like clockwork, HH is here in full force projecting whatever negatives he can find. It’s a miserable time for a troll! WOOOOOOOooaoaooaoaoaoaoao!!!

OriginalPouzar

Ummmmmmm……

Ryan Rishaug

@TSNRyanRishaug

Knoblauch says Ekholm may be available next series. He’s been taking light skates.

Pickard day to day.

Boil-in-the-Oil

So let’s say Stu is in goal and wins this series… in the mean time Pickard recovers to 100%… who starts the next series? How tough is that decision and will it affect the confidence of the non-starter? Two competitive goalies, what a (wonderful) problem to have!

Tarkus

Easy. Games 1-3 go to Pickard. Skinner for the balance.

I say this only partly in jest.

Dee Dee

In hockey you ride the nag until it drops, then you put the other one in.

Skinner plays until he loses, then the some for Pick.

LMHF#1

Should be Cal, for the same reason it should have been him round 1 game 1.

Will be Skinner, for the same reason it was him round 1 game 1.

DevilsLettuce

It’s Stu’s net until he falters if Pickard is healthy. Thems the breaks

Benign Bone

Pickard gets games 1-3. Skinner games 4-7. Easy 🙂

Boil-in-the-Oil

Even if Cal wins 3 straight? That would be an awkward pull.

smellyglove

What colour do you think our banners should be at the Stanley Cup parade?

OriginalPouzar

If Oilers win the next game and Skinner is solid-good, I think the choice is clear.

90s fan

Here’s the thing. Coaches throw all the goalie data about necessary rest out the window come playoffs. Noone dares to run a two goalie system in playoffs unless one really struggles.

How many game day off game day offs can a starter handle before play deteriorates due to being tired?

Maybe I’m wrong maybe the data supports the idea that one guy can handle the load. Has anyone looked into this?

MushedPeas

Kane is an absolute load, a key difference maker. Oil shouldn’t have needed his contributions to get past the first round, but without Kane I think they’re golfing already. That series turned sharp, it almost didn’t, and a raging, bullheaded Kane is part of what sent it spinning. And now against nemesis Vegas the beat goes on. Hail Kane!

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Ryan

Pretty crazy how KK found a way to shut down the imposing Eichel line by matching them against an injured Draisaitl, Kapanen who hadn’t been playing and Podkolzin.

https://oilersnation.com/news/oilers-vs-golden-knights-game-4-tactical-review

Romanski

Pure brilliance! Who else would have thought of this?

How many times has he made adjustments that seem questionable, but work perfectly? He did it in every series last year and he seems to have the magic touch again.

Ryan

Yeah, KK often has a few more levers to pull than prior Oilers coaches.

It’s refreshing.

From Todd McLellan on to Woodcroft, it’s mostly been shorten the bench and ride 29 and 97 hard.

Cassidy is a pretty sharp tactician and it was an impressive coaching adjustment.

The need for a guy with speed to forecheck had been mentioned a few places prior to that.

Reja

Eichel was having himself a series the best you can hope for is to contain him which they did so well last night. He’s a great hockey player and after making him virtually invisible he still managed to smoke one of the crossbar on the PP.

LMHF#1

Leon looks ill out there, rather than injured. Movements have been just fine. Would explain a lot.

OriginalPouzar

Drai has done media 3 times over the last couple of games (I think) – doesn’t sound or look ill.

DevilsLettuce

KK is one hell of a coach

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anti-Trust Issues

I have shat on his decision-making and lineup decisions at times, but he does have some inspired moments.

Last night’s moves were great – I’ve wanted to see Kulak-Bouchard Nurse-Stetcher for awhile and I’d like to stay with this D until Ekholm is back (barring any breakdowns or awful performances that warrant another switch.

But Kapanen with 29 and 92 was something I never would have thought worked, and it did! If Kapanen’s hands were half as fast as his feet he’d be a superstar, but he was effective because his strengths lined up with what the line needs. I do worry a bit about their ability to score as a unit but for the time being it looks like it can be an effective possession unit that can make life difficult for Vegas’s best forward.

Reja

I love the fact they’re as a group targeting Pietrangelo every opportunity to hit that dirty sob. I’m a little surprised Vegas hasn’t had more pushback physically I do think they have the injury bug coming out of that tough Wild series.

Ryan

Perry took a pretty heavy cross check on the power play from McNabb, I think. He didn’t play many minutes. I hope he’s alright.

anti-Trust Issues

McNabb and Roy in a competition to see who can get to 100 crosschecks first this postseason….

Tarkus

Samanski scores his 2nd of the tourney in a 5-2 win.

Played 18:19, 2nd among German forwards, just behind Stutzle.

donkeyboy

Wow, that is excellent!

Tarkus

Goal sequence begins at 1:23:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAE_83Y-EA

Durag

Am I the only one who loves checking on the lower-tier IIHF tourneys?

Big story is Uzbekistan in their first ever tournament winning Division 4 (8th tier). They dropped a 3-2 heartbreaker in a shootout to Armenia, but rallied to score double digits in winning all 4 of their other games. Exclamation point was a 26-1 debacle over Indonesia en route to a +69 goal difference for the tourney.

Keep an eye on the Uzbeks! Honourable mention to Mexico for winning Div 3B on home ice. Gotta feel good for fans of Mexican hockey.

Last edited 4 hours ago by Durag
dsr29

My father was the coach of the Mexican national team in the 2000. Quite the gig back then. Competed in Belgrade for their divisions world championships.

Durag

That’s awesome! It’s cool to see how many countries not only have national hockey programs, but have had them for a long time.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Durag
jimmers

Awesome for the Uzbeks!

And some forgotten propaganda for those of us of a certain age: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCCCRAcTAA

Tarkus

Did that air before or after that beloved sitcom “Hey Giorgy”?

jimmers

It was about the same time. There was a season with a few skits on these themes, including the new Soviet Mini-Cam and Giorgy. 1983 maybe?

dimestore saint

I feel an honorable mention needs to be made for Frederic dropping the gloves and going 12 rounds with a monster of a man.

Reja

Especially with a sore beak after the cross-check by Roy. This man needs to be signed he’s only going to get better he does his job smartly.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Certainly hope he’s not damaged, they both launched a ton of blows; lots to the helmet but some landed clean… Fredric absorbed a big one right near the end of their battle. Bruised but not broken!?

dimestore saint

Sure hope so! I admit I am not overly familiar with Frederic but looked like he wasn’t feeling any ill effects, at least during the game. Might be a different story once the adrenalin wears off tho.

anti-Trust Issues

Yeah he looked reluctant to go at first (understandably) but after he got punched in the face a few times he refused to Daniel Sedin it

Hopefully he finds the scoresheet soon

kinger_OIL

— the concerns about the health of Kane Klinberg Fred 6th/7th D and the lack of ideal prep being a worry going into playoffs has been answered

— Drai not Drai’ing and Pickard hopefully comes back healthy. McD picking his spots

— Any reservations about the fitness of this team to win the Cup have been removed.

— That was a statement win. For G and team.

— This team is legit and it’s the best chance to win Cup since Kinger was a little boy.

LFGOILERS!!!!

* whispers: they can win it all.

anti-Trust Issues

They need to string together a couple of games with that kind of effort. Hope they can close out the series in 5 and give everyone a chance to get healthy

flyfish1168

The refs lost control of hill last evening. I counted at least 4 wacks and one roughing the player that he should have been called. The most egregious was this roughing on Zack. Maybe it is a good thing the refs let it go, and Hill kept adding to his misery.

Durag

I honestly thought Skinner was going to have to come down and drop the gloves with Hill the way things were going.

finn_fann

Honestly, I think the oilers were fine with it. It was clear they were getting in his head. Hopefully they can fire him up next game and he leaks in a few goals for us early

anti-Trust Issues

Yeah the Oilers looked like the more composed team which I wasn’t suspecting after G3 – what a performance.

dcsj

That was a whale of a game last night. I was so pumped I had trouble getting to sleep! Kept rerunning the highlights in my head!

blainer

Man that first period last night was insane. The oilers were just a mean heaving hitting and at times dirty team. We were finally that team that we have complained about for years. Janmark taking out Hill was a Tkachuck type of move. Kane and Hyman also drove Hill and their defense crazy. We keep playing like this and the cup is ours this year!!

cowboy bill

It could be argued Hill put his skate out to make contact with Janmark. Kane was cross checked into Hill. Oilers were certainly out to bully the Knights but in a controlled manner, unlike VGK’s goaltender, who was obviously told to chill out.

Reja

He stuck out his leg and took a dive. He suckered in the Refs and got the penalty call. He’s doing whatever it takes to win only problem is the Refs may be on to him. When your a Stanley Cup champion goalie you do get the benifit of the doubt but this was Billy Smith obvious.

dimestore saint

100% this. I couldn’t understand why no one on the broadcast was mentioning it. Absolutely looked to me from the net cam angle that Hill stuck his foot out as Janmark was doing his flyby. I admit Janny was in the blue but Hill instigated.

jdhardy

Not sure about Sportsnet but they showed & discussed it a few times on the TNT broadcast, same with Kane getting crosschecked. Biz even called out the refs “for trying to keep Vegas in it” during the intermission.

anti-Trust Issues

Kane was absolutely crosschecked into hill. Hill absolutely DID NOT initiate contact with Janmark. Janmark was being cheeky and stirring the pot, and I
m 100% here for it

DevilsLettuce

Hill literally stuck his skate out to trip Janmark and fell on his ass. We’ve all seen the tape, gaslighting won’t change that.

anti-Trust Issues

Lol after rewatching it again I tend to agree actually – I just watched the highlights again and I missed that last night

Pretendergast

And bullying Pietro trying to bait him into another Bunyan. Not like Wes would’ve called it.

Kaner whipping off the helmet after he saw 3 Knights coming after him is why you pay for that kind of guy. Worth the price of admission. Hill on tilt was a sight.

Was also hilarious to see Wheeler have to praise him on the panel when his leadership core was the reason Kane got thrown out of Winnipeg (with his track suit).

Jethro Tull

Janmark didn’t take out Hill. Janny did a fly by a little too close and Hill stuck his foot out. The rest was a shit show.

Harpers Hair
Durag

So Ken Holland is going to offer Bouch $11,700,191?

Harpers Hair

Someone might.

The Oilers have only $9.4 million in cap space with 6 UFAs and Bouchard as RFA.

They would have to perform major surgery to match that offer sheet.

Pretendergast

Bury J Brown, Dineen, Jones maybe Tomasek there’s another 4.2.

9.4+4.2 = 13.6 > 11.7

Dispatch Arvidsson if sticky for 8.

The BIG UFA’s:
Skinner – gone
Perry- 1M
Kap – 1M or gone
Brown – might lose if O/S
Freddy – same
Klingy – 2-3

Would suck to lose Brown, Freddy would be the real cap casualty which compared to Bouch is a no brainer.

They won’t get married to the depth. Integrate new guys as all contenders do.

No sweat.

Last edited 5 hours ago by Pretendergast
Harpers Hair

Arvidsson has a full NMC.

Why would he waive it and what would be required to dispatch him?

The new guys won’t be free.

Bouchard 11.7

Perry/replacement 1
Kapanen/replacement 1
Brown/replacement 1
Frederic/replacement 1
Klingberg/replacement 1

Even at $1 million each you’re looking at $16.7 million.

A clean disposition of Arvidsson (unlikely) and downgrading the depth still leaves issues all while salaries are on the rise.

Pretendergast

So what? We still have Bouchard, which was your original argument. We don’t have to move Arviddson to do it either.

donkeyboy

This is false.
The Oilers currently have $10.6M in cap space accounting for 21 NHL roster spots.
These 21 roster spots include the buriable contracts of Max Jones, Josh Brown, Matt Savoie, & Alec Regula.
With these contracts buried, the Oilers have $14.3M in space accounting for 17 NHL roster spots.

It is possible that the Oilers will elect to trade one of their current 2026 expiring contracts, either Henrique or Kane, both players would net a solid return, potentially multiple non-first round picks, or a single first round pick.

Your sadness from the failures of all of your favourites: the Kings, the Avs, & the Lightning sure is clouding your poor & limited understanding!

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Harpers Hair

Are you saying the Oilers would match the Bouchard offer sheet and run a 17 man roster?

Henrique has a full NMC and replacing him (if he waives) with an effective 3C would almost certainly cost more than his $3 million cap hit.

Kane might be traded but he most certainly would not garner a first round pick and then you have to pay to replace him. Who and how much….remembering that salaries are increasing as the cap spikes.

LMHF#1

They should not match that offer sheet if it comes. Too damn much.

Harpers Hair

I agree.

The Oilers have to bear in mind that a year later it’s very likely they will have to pony up for an Ekholm replacement with Walman and Kulak also hitting UFA status and no goaltenders signed.

Not to mention McDavid’s new deal.

Harpers Hair

Evolving Hockey has Bouchard estimated to sign an 8 year deal for $10.8 million.

https://evolving-hockey.com/blog/contract-projections-update-2025/

OriginalPouzar

1) Bouchard can only sign a 7-year offer sheet

2) any offer sheet over 5 years will have a compensation tier AAV higher than the cap hit as the max term for compensation tier determination purposes is 5 years. A 7 year X 10MM offer sheet is $14MM for compensation determination purposes

3) Evan Bouchard has a VERY good arb case and, he files for arb, he is not offer sheet eligible.

Bouchard being signed to an offer sheet is a very remote possibility given the practicalities.

Harpers Hair

Evolving Hockey’s estimate had nothing to do with an offer sheet.

It’s what they expect he will sign for with the Oilers.

Side

Whenever you talk about Bouchard it reminds me how you thought he was not an NHL player and how Ty Smith and Valimaki were better and passed him.

Now you’re doomposting about how he’s so good the Oilers can’t afford him.

How embarrasing (for you).

DexandRuby

Based on what we’ve seen since he left I would expect Holland do something however I do not think Stan will get caught off guard. It is crazy to me how bitter he seems to be about leaving Edmonton . Buddy you got paid $5 million * 5 years is that not enough compensation for what you did? The other thing is I really don’t think Evan Bouchard would sign an offer sheet anyways.

Scungilli Slushy

Holland gets a lot kudos but really in 5 years what did he do? He inherited the core, his work lead to the sheets, still have holes he inherited and left

Hyman and Ekholm were what any GM would do except they probably got better deals. Nurse’s overpay was orchestrated by Holland, it’s public knowledge Nurse wanted less and was ready to sign before the Keith/Jones deals

Campbell. Kassian. There’s even more. He didn’t earn more time as I see it. Now on to ‘fixing’ the Kings?

anti-Trust Issues

I think it’s revisionist history to say that Hyman/Ekholm were no-brainer acquisitions.

Hyman was good but folks were wondering what he’d be able to do away from Mathews – he’s arguably been one of the best free agent signings in league history so far.

Ekholm was acquired in a trade that sold Barrie at his peak value in recent years and paid substantially less/a comparable amount to other trades for D men at the deadline, and has been a perfect fit with Bouchard.

He made plenty of mistakes as GM. But explaining away those two as non-brainers (and overpays) are inaccurate IMO

OriginalPouzar

This is a classic “only give “credit” for the negatives.

To not give any credit for Hyman and, in particular, Ekholm is to propagate a narrative.

Not to mention, Holland added Kulak, Kane, Bouchard on his current value deal, Perry on his current value deal, Brown on his current value deal, Janmark who is a big part of the team in the playoffs, Skinner on his value deal, Pickard on his value deal.

Harpers Hair

86 players eligible for offer sheets.

https://puckpedia.com/players/search?q=2024-2025-offer-sheet

LadiesloveSmid

7-1 in last 8 playoff GP. DSF is talking cap space for Bouch.

Reminds me of 2015 lottery win, “they won’t be able to afford everyone!”.

Do you do kids bday parties?

dustrock

I agree on Kane being MOTM. There are not many players in the entire league who can affect a game like him when he’s healthy.

I appreciate the Oilers bringing intensity but, to me a biased fan, staying on the line of cheap shots. Kane did nothing wrong, etc.

And kudos to Hyman – the scoring touch isn’t there anymore, but he’s skating like vintage Glenn Anderson out there.

Hitting Pietrangelo every single Gord-damned chance they get is having an effect. I thought he might pass out on the bench at one point.

Ryan

He was certainly wincing after one of the softer looking hits he took and struggling on the bench a bit.

Elgin R

That was from the Nuge shot into his ankle.

DevilsLettuce

Kapanen was taking many beautiful runs at him

OriginalPouzar

3G and 8P in 10 games is solid production for Hyman – goals on par with this regular season and assists way up.

I think Hyman is likely in the 25G-30G range going forward for the next few years.

They do seem to be targeting Pieterangelo and he’s taken a beating this series and his play is showing it (seemingly)

anti-Trust Issues

Re: Hyman I was just about to say that saying “the scoring touch isn’t there anymore” is a bit of an overreaction.

We shouldn’t expect 50G again from him and we shouldn’t judge his performance based in this/future years based on that performance

Sort of like how it was unfair to Eberle that folks constantly griped about him not being to replicate his sophomore season

giddy

Someone pointed out yesterday that Vegas was not wise to engage the Oilers emotionally like they did in the 1st: immediately the Oilers started feasting off it and really gained some major momentum off it. Cassidy must have told them during first intermission to cut that all out, and sure enough they did. Kind of fascinating as you don’t often see a playoff game heat up like that in the first then become rather emotionless for the remainder.

Scungilli Slushy

Getting Kane back and having Frederic Perry Pod Nurse at times, and adding 220lb Walman has this group looking a lot like the 80s Oilers. They can play a skill game and they can play the dirty way. The Knights are big team but I don’t think they can take it to the trenches and come out on top

anonymous

This is the best I’ve ever seen this team post childhood. If they can beat the refs and the other team they have a chance. Maybe if Winnipeg makes it through there will be no funny stuff.

A healthy Kane really could be the key to overcoming the annual Draisaitl injuries. No criticism of Drai, mans a warrior.

Professor Q

Unfortunately we’ve seen what occurs when we’re up against Winnipeg. It is very much funny stuff.

Elgin R

Revenge for the Avco cup loss is coming – if the Jets can make it by Dallas.

anti-Trust Issues

Last year’s team is the best version of the Oilers I’ve seen in my lifetime. This team could top that, which is exciting.

Beats my childhood memories of watching them lose to Dallas and Colorado in the first round every year

Scungilli Slushy

At 7-3 in games the Good Guys currently sport the best record these playoffs. 9 more fellas

Funny Bissonness

Carolina is 7-2. But the Good Guys record is absolutely impressive! And I’m firmly of the belief we could take Carolina if that’s the SCF. As long as Roli Stu and Picks don’t get hurt.

Scungilli Slushy

Missed them thx

anti-Trust Issues

Good think Pickard has already been Marc Andre Bergeron’d and he has time to recover before the SCF lol

Moonlight

In Eichel’s post game, he mentioned Skinner’s puck play with limiting their zone time. Specifically the timing and delay he used before he moved the puck. We laud Pickard’s stick handling, I’d never noticed if Skinner’s was on par. Good for us.

cowboy bill

He must have been working recently on his puck handling.

MushedPeas

I agree, as if anything it’s been a known Stu weakness. Last night he looked capable and decisive

anti-Trust Issues

I think it’s gotta be confidence to make plays with the puck. Probably not something you can improve on enough in a few days/weeks, but being confident, aggressive, and decisive with the puck goes a long way.

OriginalPouzar

Game 5 vs LA
Game 1 vs Vegas
Game 4 vs Vegas

Those were dominant 2-way games by the Oilers.

They haven’t been able to string that type of performance together but, when they are at the top of their game, I don’t imagine there is a team that can beat them without a goalie steal.

Neumann

Absolutely OP. Their three best games of the playoffs.

Neumann

The PK was outstanding last night. Completely frustrated VGK. They are still running the T formation just after zone entry as the puck moves through the point. The top FWD pressures Theodore to one side and forces them downhill (with the goal of not allowing a roll back or cut to the inside). The other FWD splits the ice and reads the cross ice pass and is ready to pressure the point for the drop pass (ala Nuge to Bouch) and the two FWDs continue that cylce until VGK gets set up with Eichel on the halfwall. Last night is where they made a change to a traditional box formation. The most important part of this is the established the “go” or “slide” guy after the pressure is put on Eichel. They are giving up the point a little more to make sure they take care of the pass from Eichel to Stone on the goal line and cutting off the cross ice pass that burned them for two goals in game 2. The second PK in the first was picture perfect!

MushedPeas

I counted maybe eight back doors that didn’t connect, and it was hard to tell which were misses due to pressure on the passer, which were attributable to stick checks by the D, and which were pure horseshoe. Vegas was *very* close to potting a brace there, at the least. Just as Eichel’s wicked wrister off the post was centimeters from being buried top corner.

All credit to the Oilers, who earned every break. It’s just the nature of the game that these things can hang by a thread. This time the dice came up ‘total domination,’ but my the margins are thin…

Neumann

Of course they could score on any PP. They have an exceptional player QBing on the half wall, an extra man, and they were the second best PP during regular season. The Staff adjusted their PK and were better organized so they could put pressure on and have sticks in the lanes. It was much better than the first two games where teh puck was getting through the seams at will.

anti-Trust Issues

Yeah for me a successful night PKing would be to kill 1/4 or to at least kill the big ones late in the game. PPs are so good in the NHL (for the most part) you almost have to assume the other team is going to get a PPG if they have 4 tries.

anti-Trust Issues

Agreed 100%. Vegas have been PP merchants this entire postseason, and last night’s adjustment’s on the PK paid dividends. Also helps to have you goalie make a timely save or two.

And it enables your team to be as aggressive and edgy as they were in the first when you trust your PK/goalie to get the job done.

SoCaloil

Kudos to KK and the coaching staff for making the right adjustments. There are several reasons why I say this.

  • 1. Connor McDavid. In previous games he tried to dance through the D. Not this game – he put the puck in deep and saved it for another sortie. Score effects, sure, but that’s a first regardless.
  • 2. D Shuffle. It’s rather surprising that the most effective D partner for Doc is Troy Stetcher. His game is simple yet effective and that’s what the Doc ordered.
  • 3. Good verbal on Stu from the coach in the in-game interview. You can see KK supports his players even during tough times.
  • 4. Kapanen showed why he belongs in the lineup

Great team win! It’s nice to see them come together and support their goalie. They haven’t done that for Stu until last night.

Something is off w/ Drai. When Kap got called for the slash (weak call), he changed with the puck in the neutral zone w/o possession. It was a surprising decision given the state of play. Hope they get the next one and have a few days to rest.

smellyglove

On #1 totally. CMD was trying to do too much and was getting stifled by VGK system and players. Better to use his elusiveness in different ways, rather than 1v4s, putting him on the PK as a breakaway threat.

judgedrude

I don’t know why it takes so long, but after a few games, the coaching staff makes tactical adjustments to play (and PK in particular), the team has the skill to execute it, and it seems like a different team. I don’t know if this is KK or Coffee, but this is what I’ve noticed the past few years. I wish they could do this earlier in the series, but here we are.

judgedrude

I don’t know why it takes so long, but after a few games, the coaching staff makes tactical adjustments to play (and PK in particular), the team has the skill to execute it, and it seems like a different team. I don’t know if this is KK or Coffee, but this is what I’ve noticed the past few years. I wish they could do this earlier in the series, but here we are.

MushedPeas

I’ve been thinking Doc Stetch a natural pairing for some time, tho I don’t recall anything in the regular season strongly supporting that (sorry if I missed something in the numbers LT’s been posting by and bye). By the same token I don’t think any blue apart from Kulak had particularly sterling seasons, Stetch included (until the very end), and for a time Nurse’s improved play seemed self-sustaining, or partner independent. Until again he got the playoff wobbles.

Gut call I guess. I’d like to see this pairing stick.

anti-Trust Issues

I’m not really surprised that Nurse-Stetcher works as good as it does. Stetcher is a very smart, composed player and anticipates plays very well. He knows he can’t rely on his size or athleticism to win battles, so he uses good body/stick positioning to gain a marginal edge.

That seems like an ideal partner for Nurse, given Nurse’s physical tools, great speed/ability to jump up in the rush/offensive zone, etc.

smellyglove

Panthers co-owner suspended indefinitely over call to make Canada the 51st State:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/nhl-suspends-florida-panthers-co-owner-douglas-cifu-over-social-media-posts-1.2305103

Pretendergast

It definitely wasn’t just that

anonymous

I’d sure hope not or my crazy uncles long running predictions would be eerily accurate.

dustrock

Ha ha ha no definitely not just the 51st state talk. Cifu is just gross.

donkeyboy
Lewis Grant

Cifu was responding (poorly!) to some disgusting tweets.

“Hey what’s worse, using headshots to win a series or using starvation as a weapon to win a war?”

“you MAGA d*** licker.”

Obviously as an owner he has to avoid taking the bait on social media. But he didn’t start it.

Shane

So it seems as if those of us who speculated that the team was dogging it(at least a little bit) during the regular season may have been on to something.

This is the team we knew they could be in the playoffs.

Wagon.

rev.hans

“Dogging it” suggests being lazy, which I doubt is your intention.
As I fumbled my way through to understanding WTF was up with this club as they rarely seemed to be 100%, the best explanations I could find were: exhaustion/hangover from SCF Game 7 run, and “load management.”
I know the 82-game season lines the pockets of owners, players, and league. But really, it’s just a prelude to the real season, up to 28 games of intensity and brilliance and heartbreak/jubilation. Do we really need 82 games of foreplay? And now there’s talk of an even longer regular season… Ugh. How many players will decide to coast at 75-80% before the “season that matters?” They are smart to do so.
ps. I’m a big fan of the wisdom of dogs. Unless there’s good reason to race in the heat of the sun, they’re much happier biding their time in the shade. Maybe this is what you mean by “dogging it.” In which, my apologies for suggesting otherwise.

Litke 94

I love Emberson and I think he will be a key component to this team’s blue line in the future, but the addition of Stetcher is immediately noticeable just within your numbers.

Way less blending on the blue, with much more stable pairings. That seems like a very good thing. Additionally, Stetcher picked up an extra 8-9 minutes compared to what Emberson was providing which seems a lot more sustainable for the other 5 guys.

Great work by Stetcher to step into the middle of a major series and immediately make a massive impact!

dessert1111

These pairings looked good and stable for the first time this post season.

If they were going to play Stetcher twice as much than they were willing to play Emberson, I have no idea why it took this long to make that change. I guess don’t mess with a winning streak lineup.

SoCaloil

It was more about the pairings then individual efforts

Nurse and Bouch were not good together. It was more about putting those two with the right partners.

anti-Trust Issues

To be fair Nurse/Bouch had a decent run of performances before G3. I still prefer St. Kulak-Bouchard and Nurse-Stetcher

MushedPeas

Agreed. Both about Stetch’s contribution and maintaining a sustainable workload across the D.

Neumann

15-10 Total Goals EDM
13-7 5v5 Goals EDM
1-0 4v4 Goals EDM
3-1 PP Goals VGK
12-9 PP Opportunities VGK

anti-Trust Issues

The 5v5 numbers are particularly interesting to me, given it’s a reversal of the two teams’ regular seasons

cowboy bill

It was pretty much the response that was required after the game 3 flubbery, not sure that’s a word, but that best describes it. They had each other’s back throughout the entire 60 minutes. All for one, and one for all, that’s the way. They must bottle that and not let it escape, for that is how they will capture Lord Stanley’s cup.

Game 5 in Vagas will be a tough challenge. The sooner they flick the Knights away the better. I hope they aren’t thinking they want to win it in front of their fans in Edmonton. I think dusting VGK off in front of their own fans sends a clearer message.

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rev.hans

“flubbery” 👍

finn_fann

The whole team had an edge to their game that suggests they’ve got another gear when needed. Everyone seemed to be crashing the net and getting in Hill’s face, taking the body hard when the opportunity was there, and just generally skating hard all night long.

McDavid on the PK is an interesting wrinkle. I think OP said he was second in TOI for forwards on the PK. He covers a lot of ground quickly and is a constant threat to make a break the other way. VGK was generally neutralized pretty effectively, but their PP almost felt like a non-factor.

MushedPeas

I thought I saw a moment on the Vegas PP where a forward did a quick double take when he saw who was checking him. Like you could see his brain making a panic recalibration.

rev.hans

TOI PK:
Connor Brown 3:46
Janmark 2:30
McDavid 1:49

Interesting, and good to see. I can’t imagine anything sharpens the defensive side of a player’s game like PK. Or being assigned to shutdown the other team’s top line. Knoblauch may be sharpening the team’s overall defensive awareness and play by having its most offensive players in key defensive roles.
There were many times this season where I saw McDavid on the ice for GA 5v5. I believe my eyes were supported by the numbers, McD w/o Drai at <50% goal share.
I wonder the same about putting Bouchard on PK duty (at 3:31 his were the highest TOI for D). Is this about awakening his defensive habits? Is it coincidence that the unforced errors seem to have evaporated from his game?
Early in the season, when so much was going sideways, Strudwick would harp on the importance of the PK, beyond simply killing penalties. In November, as the PK began to do its job, the team began to look like itself. This postseason hasn’t been great for the PK. But that seems to be changing. Here’s hoping that change ripples through the rest of their game, and Game 4 is what we can expect —all the way to Stanley.

anti-Trust Issues

Yeah I’m very happy KK is having his best players PK. I understand not playing 29 there while he’s hurt, but having your two best players involved in all game states makes intuitive sense

Sierra

Wonderful team win last night. The skaters did their part. The goalie did his part.

Both Stecher and Kap played real well and made the coach look smart, again.

Kane, Skinner, Bouchard for the win!

Play the same way in Game 5.

OriginalPouzar

They played that way (generally) in game 5 LA, game 1 Vegas and game 4 Vegas.

I’d like them to bring that more consistently but I think the lack of that consistency is largely due to playing against other very good teams looking to do the same thing.

Pretendergast

Skinner when asked about how he handles the outside noise:

“What outside noise?”

OriginalPouzar

Darnell Nurse with Troy Stecher was an effective pairing last night, for me Stecher brings a calming presence to the unit. He’s not big, but he’s tougher than the rest. I thought Nurse had a strong game, after a couple that were less than his best.

Stecher was 5th on the entire team in TOI at 5 on 5 last night.

After Emberson playing around 6-7 minutes per night for a long stretch, this is a revelation.

finn_fann

I’m glad they finally put Stetcher in. Emberson wasn’t just limited in minutes, he was out of his depth and got crushed.

In contrast, Stetcher has the calm wheels and passing, similar to Kulak, that lets him cover for Nurse when he goes into rover mode.

It’s interesting seeing the TOI for the three pairings. We’re basically rolling a 6 man platoon right now, which bodes well for a deep playoff run.

cowboy bill

Stecher would be a holy terror if he was 6’4 & 215 lbs.

He’s a warrior.

Bar_Qu

There is something to be said for the ability of a vet to elevate their game in the playoffs. Stecher did well and gave the team a strong 6th D who really helped Nurse simplify his play. I say this as someone who was not in favor of him playing earlier this playoffs.

cowboy bill

Now they can roll four lines and three steady D-pairs. La music, merci beau copes.

anti-Trust Issues

I think he’s played this way all year to be honest, he has his obvious “short”comings but he’s delivered a consistent effort all year.

I’m glad they made the switch!

OriginalPouzar

Evan Bouchard had a monster night, and did it across 200 feet for the Oilers. He was exceptional. He took care of the puck and had an impact in coverage. Calm feet and Evan Bouchard have been used in the same sentence exactly one time, and you my friend are reading that sentence right now.

This is playoff Bouchard and its three years in a row.

1) 2023 – led the NHL in d-man scoring by 5 points and he only played 2 rounds

2) 2024 – a historic performance and elite 2-way hockey for almost all of the 25 games.

3) 2025 – some wobble early but his game has come around and, while he is a bit up and down, he is providing games that resemble the 2024 historic performance.

At the top of his game, in the playoffs, Bouchard is a top 3-5 d-man in the NHL – actually at the top of his game like 2024, he’s a top 3 d-man in the NHL.

Oh ya, he’s adding PK1 to his repertoire!

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prefonmich

Not trying to shit on Nurse but Bouch is opposite Nurse. The calm with a dose of added intensity brings Bouch’s best game out in the playoffs while Nurse often tries to do too much with this added intensity making his game worse in the playoffs. Nurse is much better with a steady, quick partner lower down the lineup.

OriginalPouzar

I’ve been posting for days (weeks) that this team is full of player that step their games up in the playoffs (Brown, Kulak, Janmark, Bouchard, Henrique, etc. in addition to the big guns) but one of the few that hasn’t (and, in fact, regresses) has been Nurse.\

I have cited injury as a big reason in the past for Nurse but I don’t think that’s a mitigator this playoff season.

Nurse has had good games this playoffs, last night was one of them, and I remain hopeful he can find a way to bring that game more consistently.

SoCaloil

I would add that his wobble early could be partly attributed to a change in D partner(s)

Lewis Grant

But Bouch wasn’t elite two-way last year. Have we forgotten his horrible, horrible gaffes that became almost instant goals for the other team? Like Mike Smith-level gaffes?

Bouch is a metaphor for this team: sky-high ceiling, canyon-level floor.

OriginalPouzar

I disagree 100% – he was absolutely elite 2-way in the playoffs lst season. There were all but none of such gaffes in the playoffs last year. Maybe 1 or 2.

anti-Trust Issues

I mean we have to not confuse “elite two-way” with “never makes bad mistakes”.

As long as it’s not one guaranteed goal-against error per game, if he’s able to get the puck out of his zone routinely and effectively, defend well enough in his own end and make smart plays to break up a forecheck/cycle, he has the ability to check that box even while having a few moments in his own end

OriginalPouzar

I do not confuse those.

Bouchard brings much more than what’s described above the defensive side of the game when he’s on his game – high end zone entry defence, great stick in the defensive zone, sure handed when he retrieves the puck in battle, etc.

pixel-bender

My only critique of Skinner is that he didn’t punch a Golden Knight in the mouth — apparently that’s permissible. Who knew.

Scungilli Slushy

When Stu decides somebody gonna get hurt real bad

rev.hans

Ha! 🙂

godot10

Goaltenders do not want to get a reputation for responding. Because then they will never get legitimate calls. It took multiple seasons for Binnington to recover from his reputation for being a hothead as a goaltender. He would never get any calls going his way because of his reputation.

This is a different era than the Billy Smith era.

DevilsLettuce

We just watched Hill bring an axe to a hockey game, spare us.

Ladainiantomlinson

i have been tough on Skinner in mind and words, and it seems to me, I get whipped up like everyone else does. To begin with, he is a class act, model citizen, great teammate and more than competent goalie. I asked myself, have I had bad weeks, months etc…and you bet I have. I know it’s a results orientated business, and he gets “paid” to stop the puck. But, I am glad to retreat, eat my words and cheer him on individually and as a professional goalie. He will find a home (if it isn’t here) and my hope is that he thrives, and keeps that kind smile going despite the negative narratives that circulate about him. His game last night calmed all of us, and at least for me, gave me a glimpse of his resilience and strength.

OriginalPouzar

Stuart Skinner had a fine game, I was so happy for him. As the online venom reached fever pitch during the anthem last night, Skinner punched his shoulder, set his jaw, and played well. I would like nothing more than to tell you Skinner was the most impressive Oilers player in last night’s game. Alas, I cannot.

The online venom was, in my opinion, really really sad – my goodness was it over blown.

100%, each and every fan had every right to criticize Skinner’s play in aggregate on the season and in the playoffs to that point – reasoned criticism. Each and every fan had every right to have a lack of confidence or a concern that Skinner would not perform to needed levels.

The absolute vitriol that was out there for Skinner – opinions that management should be fired for letting him play another game, that he is an AHL back up, and even more personal – it make me, of all people, not even want participate in online discussion about the Oilers (as they were up 2-1 in the second round of the playoffs).

Categorical statements regarding his ineptitude and inability to play a good NHL playoff game despite his history of having stolen playoff games and being huge in must-win playoff games were so so sad.

I’m happy for Stu.

I have NO IDEA how he will play on Wednesday but I have seen him go on stretches of very good playoff hockey late in series in the past.

finn_fann

If the team plays with any kind of structure he’s fine. I worry he will be our next Dubnyk/Talbot

Bar_Qu

Hear hear

prefonmich

💯There is not much I despise more than personal attacks online. I wish people would take a moment to ask themselves if what they are posting adds anything to the conversation? Would they say it in person? Would they say or write it if their mom were going to see it? I am not perfect, certainly but I find myself taking a moment extra at times when I am furious(sad) about my team.. not always, but often.
I was also so genuinely happy for Stu the person last night.

Brantford Boy

Andy Skinner crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of shit smelling foulness I can’t even imagine, or maybe I just don’t want to​. Five hundred yards… that’s the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile 

Andy Dufresne Stuart Skinner who crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side.

prefonmich

He didn’t even notice he was crawling through shit.. he just stayed focused on the other side.

cowboy bill

Stuart Skinner didn’t seem to be aware of all that shit.

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