16 Shells from a 30-ought six

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godot10

McDavid, Henrique, and Arvidsson to Toronto for Knies, Cowan, and Nylander and a boatload of picks.

Last edited 8 hours ago by godot10
Sierra

Is this a serious suggestion?

godot10

The question LT posed was “What would a potential deal even look like?”

That is what it would look like.

Abbeef

Stated as fact and not an opinion …

Benign Bone

Nah, any McDavid trade would have to include at least a talented young C or RD. Cowan is a W.

Bill

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue!

Sierra

I doubt it. At the very least the Oilers need a centre coming back, ideally a #2 centre.

godot10

Part 2:

Bouchard, Ekholm, and Sorokin to Toronto.
Matthews, Stolarz, and Reilly to the Islanders
Dobson, Carlo, Woll, and Pageau to the Oilers.

Last edited 8 hours ago by godot10
Gaz Gazzersson

Better include Scottie Barnes at the very least.

Sunnyboy

McD, Nurse, Stu to the flames for Andersson, Zary and Wolf. Be Bold Bowman

John Chambers

McDavid, Bouchard, and Draisaitl to the Sharks for Celebrini, Smith, Dickinson, Askarov, and the #2 OV pick in this year’s draft.

DevilsLettuce

McDavid for Larsson.

John Chambers

The trade is one-for-one

drewbot

to Maple Leafs, McDavid and Nurse for Mathews, Carlo, and Stolarz money is almost even

OriginalPouzar

He skipped over the thread.

-LT

Last edited 2 hours ago by Lowetide
DevilsLettuce

This is not how you skip, -1 point.

Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville

McD and Nurse for Rasmus Dahlin, Tage Thompson, Alex Tuch and a first rounder.

Bar_Qu

Can we get Lennart Petrell and the rights to Rob Schremp?

RENNAVATE

Bob mentioned Brett Leason as an RFA probably won’t get qualified by Anaheim…

Mirakodus

I hope that he’s not mentioning this player as a possible target for the Oilers…

Darth Tu

How do we feel about Klim Kostin? Supposedly he’s not being qualified by the Sharks so would hit free agency. He could replace some of the truculence lost in the Kane departure and slide into the left wing. He’s also only 26 so still plenty of tread left on the tires.

Previous contract was $2 mill x 2 years, but surely he’d sign for around $1 mill here given how much he enjoyed his time in YEG.

I get he’s not going to threaten to climb into the top 6, but a bit of sandpaper for the 4th line is always a good thing.

drewbot

On the cheap, he could be a value addition

RENNAVATE

I get that Klim’s a likeable dude, but he’s not been good since he left Edmonton. The aim needs to be higher.

Last edited 1 hour ago by RENNAVATE
OriginalPouzar

For league min and not a cent more though, right? I mean he’s been a disaster since he left Edmonton – hasn’t been an NHL player.

Sierra

If he hasn’t been a player since Edmonton then why acquire Klim even at league minimum? Acquiring a “disaster” is the exact opposite thing the organization should be doing.

LMHF#1

Talented, young, tough, cheap. Also fits in with the group and loved his time here. Agent was a damn moron not looking out for his client’s long term interests.

Would much rather have Klim on line 4 or coming from the PB than many of the alternatives.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Am I the only one who thinks Savoie is going to shine this year?

smellyglove

Based on what?

OriginalPouzar

Based on his excellent rookie pro season. Those that watch the Condors have high hopes. I have expressed my reasons many times on this blog.

drewbot

Believe with his hands and good skating, there is a spot open for him

Last edited 2 hours ago by drewbot
David

If he can stay healthy I think he’ll be a quality player. I do wonder about his longevity. See Yamamoto.

OriginalPouzar

He’s nit built like Yamamoto and has oodles more skill and smarts.

DevilsLettuce

I sure hope he’s given rope with both Draisaitl and McDavid each individually.

drewbot

Interesting, I listened to an interview with someone in the east, and they said Fredric was nowhere near his skating ability during the playoffs and suggested he was a very valuable player. I DO NOT know this to be true, but I have also heard that a high ankle sprain can be worse than a break, recovery-wise.

LateNightOilFan

I suffered a high ankle sprain years ago. At the time when I went to the duty clinic the Dr. on call happened to be a sports medicine specialist. He told me I would have been better off with a break.

Diablo

Once they clear out Arvidsson and Henrique, there should be enough space to add Marner ;-p

OriginalPouzar

Looking forward to getting Bouchard signed (I’ll take the 8 years at $10.5MM over 5 years at $9MM), maybe upgrading a partner for Skinner and one external mid-range add.

Diablo

I meant this tongue in cheek … after years of enduring the Toronto media predicting that McDavid would leave Edmonton for Toronto (they’re back at it again lately), it would be hilarious if we cleared enough cap space to poach Marner out of Toronto.

That said, the Oilers did try to trade for Rantanen, and reportedly had a contract extension ready … so they had to have known that they could clear enough cap space, even with Bouchard and McDavid extensions to come.

leadfarmer

Any word on Klingberg. Normally you get some rumors about a player but theres complete radio silence

OriginalPouzar

Not sure he’s coming back. He may have earned a market contract that doesn’t fit the current salary structure and it would mean one of Emberson or Stecher lost on waivers if Ekholm is healthy and not on LTIR after surgery.

Can’t imagine room to carry 8D if they aren’t in LTIR.

leadfarmer

Personally I would rather have Kane for his last year than Frederic for 8 more.
As much as I would like to see a big upgrade in goal we desperately need a top 6 winger and a middle 6 winger

OriginalPouzar

Matt Savoie fits one of those two wonder spots.

Victoria Oil

I admit that I was a bit skeptical when Kane first joined the Oilers as I wasn’t sure about his character. Thankfully, I was proven totally wrong. Kane was an excellent teammate on the ice and a great Edmontonian off the ice with all that he did for the community. I’m happy for him as he’s going to the team/city that he wanted to go to.

That said, I’d rather have 1 more year of Kane at $5.125 than any number of years of Frederic at $3+.

barry.moore23

^^^^^ This ^^^^^

Mayan Oil

Is Utah a team to watch re trades for draft picks? They have more than they can accomodate on thier 90 contract limit, realistically… do we have an opportunity there?

Mayan Oil

I am wondering if the coming play is Arvidsson and Henrique out, add Cody Glass or similar, give a chance to Philp… add in possible goalie move and a new top 6 winger?

ekcomb 2.0

A 4th like last summer. So it works out to Kane for Podkolzin and much needed cap. Good plan,Stan

Last edited 5 hours ago by ekcomb 2.0
Death By Misadventure

That bizarrely awful, reported Frederic deal does not inspire confidence that Stan Bowman will know how to retool on the fly. Could that be part of the explanation why Oilers fans are a little edgy?

ArmchairGM

I wonder if this Frederic report is giving McDavid pause too. If Bowman starts signing bottom-6 wingers to contracts that are too big and too long that affects the overall talent level of the team and just puts more pressure on McDavid and Draisaitl to carry the team.

Death By Misadventure

My biggest question around Frederic is whether Knoblauch was consulted as to where he sees him in the line up. Seems Knoblauch likes him as 4th LW. If that’s where he will play Frederic next season, that contract is a disaster from the get go

OriginalPouzar

I think they’ve Frederic as a 3C or middle six winger. I don’t think his playoff deployment is an indication of plan as it was injury related.

When healthy, he’s a much better skater and I think the org expects much more than he provided post trade.

Death By Misadventure

Who is “they”? If it’s Stan than yes I agree “they” are giving Frederic a contract that says you are 3C for life. If “they” is the coaching staff, I’m less certain 3C is promised even when healthy.

JJ brought in J Skinner and Arvi as the two 2nd line wingers for Drai. Coach did not think that was a good idea.

Hence I’m sceptical that Knoblauch, having deployed Frederic as a 4th liner in the playoffs, will agree that even a healthy Frederic with a new contract is his 3C.

OriginalPouzar

Never said “promised”.

Arvidsson spent most of the season on Drai’s wing.

DennyB

Lebrun reporting Bouch contract could be 4yrs, in the $9M range. Still think it’ll be 8x$10.25M but if Lebrun is right the roster/cap would look like this:

RNH McD Hyman
X Drai X
Fred Hen Brown
Jan X Podz
Savoie

Ek Bouch
Nurse Wal
Kulak Emb
Stech

Stu
Pic

With $7.85M left on the cap
(assumes Fred at $3.75 and Brown at $1.75)

Death By Misadventure

So next to no cap space and once again no wingers for Drai. Good plan.

DennyB

That’s right. Unfortunately shopping in the Anthony Mantha, Mangiapane, Reilly Smith, maybe Grandlund, Claude Giroux aisle not the Marner, Boeser, or Ehlers aisle unless more cap is moved which we’ve told by Bowman won’t happen on the blue line so options are limited.

Last edited 4 hours ago by DennyB
Strapping Jocks

Because Oilers.

DevilsLettuce

Henrique will be gone, Podz will not be playing his offwing on the 4th line.

DennyB

Perhaps, that line up/cap would like this assuming brown and Fred sign:

RNH McD Hyman
Podz Drai X
Fred X Brown
Jan X X
Savoie

Ek Bouch
Nurse Wal
Kulak Emb
Stech

Stu
Pic

With $10.85M left to fill 2RW, 3C, 4C, and 4RW. Philip at 4C would reduce cap to $10M. Could pencil Savoie into 2RW and run a 21 man roster. Is a 2nd line of Podz Drai Sav championship quality? I say no but your mileage may vary.

Strapping Jocks

I am not sure about Savoie, as I haven’t been following him too closely, but I like/think this lineup is better than your first one.

OriginalPouzar

I have and I think he is fully ready to plan in the NHL and make a place.

Reasonable chance he slips right in as Drai’s right winger and, if he doesn’t, I think he has a starting floor of a very good energy 2-way forechecking 3rd liner with skill.

DevilsLettuce

The Oilers should be looking at extending Podkolzin now, before all the positive numbers he’s posting turn into the points that shouldn’t be far behind.

Podkolzin compliments Draisaitl extremely well, if he has a season of puck luck to go with it, he’ll quickly become priced out for an extension.

John Chambers

Add Patrick Kane and Corey Perry as bonus-laden contracts to flank Draisaitl.
Trade Henrique & Pickard to ANH for Gibson with 25% retained.
Tomasek centres your 4th line.
Accrue cap space. Add at the deadline.

W

How is trading Kane for a 4th(nothing) different than keeping Kane for the last year of his contract and letting him walk for nothing? Frederick for one million less to do the same job is hope beyond hopeful and has the likelihood of turning into a Jack Campbell.
EDIT, strike likelihood for posibility.

Last edited 6 hours ago by W
OriginalPouzar

I’d be absolutely shocked if Bouchard signed and offer sheet – I’ve explained the many aggregate reasons why it doesn’t make sense including his arb case and the five year max term for determining compensation tier (effectively making a 6-7 year deal not available).

i look forward the 8 year $85MM deal to be made official.

Moonlight

We were shocked that Holloway did too. Not so much Broberg.

OriginalPouzar

Not even close to similar situations and I posited factual reasons that did not apply to Holloway.

OriginalPouzar

I like Evander Kane but this deal makes sense for the Oilers. $5MM of needed cap space for an aging and regressing power forward that didn’t play at all last season and worked his way to the bottom six in the SCF – after being sold for a few rounds.

The player style will be missed but this is likely no longer an 82 game player (he’s been hurt ALOT the last few years) and business needs to be done.

Mayan Oil

Agreed. I like Kane and appreciate the swagger, but as the saying goes – better a year too early than a year too late. At 33 and with recent majot surgeries and a rugged playing style, it is a good time to move down to a younger replacement.Sail on, good sir.

DexandRuby

Never thought I’d say it but you’re right. I was adamant they needed Kane to win against Florida. I was wrong.

Strapping Jocks

They did need Kane to beat Florida, but Kane did not show up. Except to take needless high-sticking penalties.
Kane signaled this trade with his play in the Finals.

Sierra

I don’t think we should be surprised that a player who missed the entire regular season while having 5 surgical repairs ran out of gas in the playoffs.

Sierra

Can we say virtually the same about Demko?

  • aging and regressing goalie
  • barely played last year
  • worked his way out of the starters net
  • the player style will be missed but no longer a reliable player (he’s been hurt ALOT the last few years).
cowboy bill

I wonder where Arvidsson will want to be traded to for a fourth rounder. That will give Stan $21M to play with.

DevilsLettuce

I bet Pittsburg.

cowboy bill

My guess is Tampa or Carolina.

DevilsLettuce

I could see Tampa, I don’t see Vik and Rod the bod working well together.

Bar_Qu

Kane gave the team a great presence in the playoffs, but was a dude who was getting worse during the season. And frankly, if he couldn’t help the Oilers vs the Panthers this past season, he was not a guy they needed for next season.
His cap hit has a ton of value to the Oilers, he brings what the Canucks keep looking for and he will earn himself another contract to finish his career. I think this is a win for everyone involved.
Next, jettison Arvidsson for somewhere he wants to be.

Little Johnny Frostbite

“What are any of you going to do about it”. Evander Kane.

I hated the acquisition at the time, but EK delivered and was a damn good Oiler, on and off the ice. Hope he has great success in Van, just not against us. I see a Kane Fredrick tilt in the future, and it’ll be a good one. Kane was a fantastic citizen, and I’m glad he rehabilitated his image here. I hope he has a great final stage of his career. Nothing but appreciation today.

Reja

Kane is looking for one more contract 2-3 years before he’s finished. Remember he just started over recently. He has a much better chance in Vancouver where he’ll see more PP and 6-5 time.

Benign Bone

I’m happy with the trade as I don’t think Kane was a part of the solution for getting over the hump. Despite his tools, he was completely outmatched in board battles and net front in the Finals and has shown every sign of falling off the cliff. Freeing up his 5.125mil was vital IMO. Getting a 4th back is just icing on the cake 🙂

Scungilli Slushy

I imagine his trade list made getting much back hard. At least a full exit of the cap hit

Gordoil

Happy with a 4th
was thinking it was maybe part of a Demko thing and that worries me
no need to purposely plan on LTIR

John Chambers

Perhaps having learned from last offseason, the Oilers are no longer vulnerable to an offer sheet … until they make ridiculous signings on July 1.

daniel

Jake Allen at 5×5?

daniel

Frederic at 8 x 3.5M Perry 2 x 2.5M?

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

Over the past 10 years or so, cap space has become a tradeable asset.

So look at this as Kane for a 4th and $5M in cap space.

I would have been fine with keeping Kane, but at least Stan is pushing buttons and pulling levers.

ArmchairGM

Fine, but cap space doesn’t score goals. If the cap space is used to bring back Frederic and Kapanen is that worthwhile?

DennyB

Tough loss in Kane, he will be missed. Arvi likely next. Will be interesting to see how they go about rebuilding the 2nd line and addressing 4C/PK.

For the love of god, please do no sign Perry for 2yrs at $2-2.5M. Unless its 1yr at league min or slightly above, its time to move on from Perry.

Mayan Oil

I expect Arvi and Henrique to be moved shortly, and as much as I like Perry at his age I only go one year deals unless the contract is almost completely buryable in case of decline.

Strapping Jocks

YES. Please no multi-year deal if they feel Perry has a place here. Personally, I am not certain the ‘Perry Curse’ ISN’T real…

SoCaloil

Thanks for pointing us to some good tunes LT.
I didn’t know that one.

SoCaloil

Walking inside an HEB (grocery store) in the Woodlands, TX wearing my Oilers Hat.

A guy w/ his 2 boys walks past me ” Go Oilers”
One of his little ones (about 9ish) “Go Oilers”

I said to the boy “Thanks buddy”

Made my day!

Tarkus

The pick acquired was originally Ottawa’s, so will be #117 overall.

Benign Bone

Was the pick EDM got in the Bourgault trade that they then sent for Podkolzin. Full circle 🙂

danny

How much would Vancouver want for a two year rental of Quinn Hughes? I read a post suggesting 3 firsts, 2 prospects, and a roster player.

They seem to like big defensemen, is there any framework where we rent Hughes for two years, and they get Nurse plus rebuild collateral?

There is potentially more value on rebuilding with the McKenna draft lottery coming up.

What if we gave 3 firsts, two 2nds, Nurse, and retained 2 million?

I’m guessing they could likely get better elsewhere, but strange things can happen when NMCs come in to play, and assuming Nurse would agree.

SoCaloil

Big enough to not cause a Riot like it’s 2011.

Rafa Nadal

Tidy work by Stanislas Bowman. Keep it going.

Litke 94

I am extremely sad to see Kane traded. He was awesome for this team. Can they use the cap space? Certainly. But will they fill this gap with the same level of scoring and toughness? I am not sure.

I am worried for sure that the Oilers lost a big piece of their identity today.

snfu

I agree this is a huge loss. Evander Kane on a contract year is probably going to be a great year for him, ride it and let him walk. IMO the person to trade is Hyman, 33 with declining numbers, a recent wrist injury and three more years at 5+ million would have went a lot further. Sail on Evander.

Mirakodus

I think the SCF showed what Hyman means to this team. Hyman has the kind of toughness this team needs. Loved what Kane brought to the team but even in a couple months of playoffs he was fading hard. Hyman however was thriving. We will never know what Hyman would have done in this final in particular but his forecheck and board battle ability was missed significantly.

Strapping Jocks

I think we bubble wrap Hyman during the playoffs, until the Finals. Then let him loose.

daniel

But will they fill this gap with the same level of scoring and toughness?

Nope. But at least we got the pick back the league is likely to charge us for no good reason (eye roll). Sure gonna be a fun 5 games against Vancouver.

Last edited 8 hours ago by daniel
YYCOil

I am surprised with all the conversations that seem weird around the Oilers,

We have been the SCF twice in the last two years – we are a very competitive team

We have changed our management – we have a very competitive management team.

Stew Skinner has flaws, but is a 26 years old pushed into a starter role – he is way ahead of his development curve.

Evander Kane has a unique skill set and will be additive to the roster even at $5.1M

Perry, Brown, Avidsson, Henquire, Janmark are replaceable non impact players

If Ekholm, Hyman and Nuge were healthy in this year’s SCF could the Oilers have won two more games?

Bouchard and McDavid want to play here.

The UFA market does not have real answers

Cap space without trade assets in the summer is useless.

LMHF#1

Counter – the Oilers should have won the last 2 Cups and were undone by specific flaws and weak points rather than an overall shortcoming.

You’re correct about the group of older, replaceable guys.

Here’s the thing – it isn’t about whether they could have won 2 more games. It is giving a big enough margin that even if all that happened and more, they still win.

Mayan Oil

Disagree re Cap space… trading in the summer the prices can be higher. Cap space at the trade deadline, however is VERY valuable.

SVR

Evander Kane
@evanderkane
·
8m
As my time with the @EdmontonOilers
has now come to a close, I want to take a moment to sincerely thank the entire organization, my teammates, and the incredible community of Edmonton.

To the Oilers Ownership, front office, coaching staff, and trainers—thank you for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to be a part of such a respected and passionate franchise. Your support meant everything, and I’ll always be grateful for the chance to compete in the blue and orange.

To my teammates—thank you for the battles, the friendships, and the memories. I’ll always remember the playoff runs, the highs and lows, and the pride of going to war with a special group of guys.

To the fans—thank you for embracing me and showing unwavering support throughout my time in Edmonton. Rogers Place was always electric, and I’m proud to have played in front of such a passionate hockey city. My family and I have built some incredible relationships that will last forever.

With that said, I’m incredibly excited for the next chapter of my career as I join the @Canucks
. It’s an honor to become part of an organization and team I grew up watching as a kid. Vancouver is a city that lives and breathes hockey, I’m looking forward to the opportunity to play in front of my hometown as I did many years ago as a Vancouver Giant.

With appreciation,
Evander Kane

W

For a mid round draft pick, no retention.Me no likey.

Eh Team

This is an awesome deal for the Oilers. Opens up cap space, plus Kane is very overrated. Awful defensively, old and injured a lot

OriginalPouzar

Not over-rated for what he did early in his Oiler career but he’s now aged and regressing and hasn’t been healthy for any period of time for years.

The Oilers will miss what he once brought but he wasn’t even in the team last year and regressed through the playoffs and was more of a liability than anything in the SCF as he got moved down to the bottom six.

Ginch

You like retention? this word does not mean what you think it means…

Sierra

Wow, I am shocked by this. I didn’t think the Nucks would want Kane.

Interesting that Demko isn’t coming back as has been loudly speculated by some.

Scungilli Slushy

I think they want the menace to help Pettersen along. And more push back to help Hughes who gets manhandled in playoffs if they get there. A Hail Mary in hopes of keeping him

Traveller

Makes sense. With Miller traded last season and Boeser likely walking in 7 days, the Canucks have few options for wingers or even forwards for their top 6 that tip the scales at over 200 lbs. Chytl is 210 but is at best a 2nd line center who never hits anyone and Drew O’Connor and Joshua Dakota, the only other 2 forwards over 200, would not be mistaken for regulars in anyone’s top 6. They were the lightest team by average in the NHL last season, and that was with with Miller, Desharnais and Boeser on the books.

The lack of size may have influenced Tocchet’s decision to leave if he didn’t think the roster had the size to keep playing his brand of hockey.

godot10

Marchment for a 4th, no retention.
Kane for a 4th, no retention.

Both a useful player with one year left on their contract.

Last edited 8 hours ago by godot10
ArmchairGM

Marchment was traded for a 3rd + 4th.

Traveller

While Kane has definitely had the better career thus far and peak Kane >> peak Marchment, a few things probably worked in favor of Marchment returning more in a trade this summer:

Marchment just turned 30, Kane is about to turn 34
He scored 22 goals and 47 points in 62 games this past season vs. Kane @ 0,0,0
His AAV is $625,000 lower – almost enough to add league min contract to the roster
His contract had a 10 team no team trade list vs 16 so more bidders were possible

Gaz Gazzersson

Good luck, EK.
Heck of a player when healthy. Seemed like a great bloke as an Oiler and Edmontonian. And big respect for even trying to play through the injuries he dealt with the last few seasons.

colieo_87

Also paterick from oilers fanatic mentioned around 11 pm last night big thinga are a brewing

colieo_87

Lovely headline love it 😀

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