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Reja

Do we see PP 2 get more ice time with a new boss? What are the projected PP1-PP-2 as well as the PK1-PK-2.

OriginalPouzar

PP1 will be exactly as we know it – from the mouths of McFarland and Knob.

Scungilli Slushy

I heard on Gregor I think that McFarland was a part of changing Barkov’s career, especially face offs which he has been strong at since. I hope he brings positive change and that the new skills coach can also up everyone’s game. If Connor’s arms are ok, even he could use some coaching on shooting more, and to the part of the net where the most goals are scored (it’s not the bottom 2/3, coincidentally Bobrovsky’s strength). And Nuge. And Pod

McFarland says he likes to try new things, which is music. I mean the Oilers greatest feats happened because they did that. There is more offense there to me, but they have to tweak things so it’s better for all forwards. I’ve mentioned Adam Oates not liking how many teams structure their offense, they are too spread out, he feels it hurts normal players, which is most of a team

Reja

With the additions of puck moving Walman and soon to be Regula this team is rounding into Bowman’s vision with speedy forecheckers in Savoie-Mangiapane-Podkolzin-Howard-Frederic.

OriginalPouzar

As far as opportunity for Howard, I have little doubt he will get real opportunity to play with skill on this team if he’s putting in the work to learn the pro game structure, etc. – if he continues to try an poke pucks by the d-men on the defensive half boards, his minutes will be reduced.

I just hope that the coaching staff also gives Matt Savoie the opportunity to earn reps in regular season games in the top 6.

Since the trade, when Knob and Bowman have spoken, we hear about Howards offensive abilities and Savoie’s advanced 2-way game and developing PK game.

I hope Savoie isn’t pigeon-holed on to the third line – his offensive potential is every bit as high as Howard’s (and he’s produced against men in the AHL).

cowboy bill

Savoie’s advanced 2-way game should give him the leg up playing in the top six.
Howard may need to learn how to play the right way on the third line, which is just fine.

Reja

Putting the biscuit in the net beats all. Why has the narrative started already that Howard isn’t a responsible 2 way forward. Looking at his College and Junior careers nobody ever said he was a goal suck or a selfish player.

Reja

I don’t know if Coach K.K is the right Coach to allow growing pains of Howard-Savoie who are both 21 and as far I’m concerned are N.H.L ready. Bowman has a pretty good eye on evaluating new players. I’ll tell you what if Howard doesn’t score at least 20 I’ll donate $200 to your charity of choosing.

Scungilli Slushy

It’s on Bowman to tell the coaches, if Howard and Savoie are ready to contribute, that their mistakes are ok. The more at bats they get, the more likely they can contribute to winning a Cup. The Oilers struggle at times to score, they need more players that can do that, instead of trying to pass the puck into the net, which will not work against Florida and bottom of the net smothering Bob

I would rather watch them learning with their potential, than Janmark scoring little or Kapanen playing a good couple of games and then losing the plot, at 29 YO, and I like both of the latter. Results and outscoring are all that matter at this point

cowboy bill

We don’t know if Howard can play a responsible brand of hockey, which by the way is a requirement for all NHL players. But if you think scoring goals is all there is to winning hockey good for you.

Reja

The days of burying prospects in the AHL are over. You can take your secret Marinade sauce and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine in California.We are going to look back at the 2024 USA men’s Junior team as the greatest collection of players they have ever pruduced by a mile. For me Snuggerud is a comparable to Howard he didn’t look out of place in the playoffs playing top line. Howard and Savoie are Forwards they can easily be sheltered.

OriginalPouzar

To be clear, my post was not to indicate that Howard is a poor defensive player. From accounts, he committed to improving in his time at Michigan and has done exactly that. There is still “cheat” in his game – the play at the defensive blueline I mentioend was not a one-time thing (credit: Bruce Curlock) and it won’t be tolerated by any NHL coach (I wouldn’t think) more than once.

My point was more about Savoie’s advanced 2-way game for a 21 year old rookie

OriginalPouzar

I agree it should, and it might. I have zero doubt that Savoie will earn the trust of the coaching staff and, yes, that should earn opportunities up the lineup.

I’m not positive the coaching staff doesn’t think of Howard as a more offensive player and Savoie could start with middle six opportunities based on a more diversified skill-set (which he does have).

cowboy bill

Ironically Ike Howard will be wearing #53, Jeff Skinners old number.

OriginalPouzar

Ike Howard has several inside champions currently. Stan Bowman and the pro scouts took some risk in acquiring him, and history tells us that means opportunities will be made available. I’m not talking “clear the decks” deployment that abandons all hope of deploying the strongest possible lineup, but I am saying he will get a long look in preseason.

I guess there is always risk in a trade, for all we know, SOR develops in to a superstar in the NHL with a much better career than Howard.

I think many view this trade as acquiring a placer that is closer to the NHL and with a higher offensive ceiling but a lower floor than SOR – seeing SOR as a can’t miss middle of the lineup NHL player whereas Howard has bust potential.

I personally don’t agree with that assessment as I don’t think that SOR has a “higher floor” than Howard because he plays a more 2-way game at the junior level – plays the game “the right way”.

Don’t get me wrong, I think that SOR will indeed have a very nice NHL career, I don’t think he busts out or becomes a tweener but the “risk” of him doing so is every bit as high as the risk of Issac Howard busting out or becoming a tweener.

Remember when the Oilers acquiring Ryan O’Mara? Touted as a can’t miss 3C and likely future captain of the Oilers – based on a similar junior skill set as Sam O’Reily, right?

Lets not forget, from a high level, defensive commitment is something that a player can develop and be taught – high end offensive skill, while it can be developed, can’t be taught if a player does not have it.

I think both players will be impact NHL players.

cowboy bill

Tampa likes SOR’s two-way game, Oilers want Howard’s scoring. However, he’s still going to play the right way. That could be a conundrum, because Connor & Leon won’t want to play with him if he can’t.

Reja

Tampa was losing Howard they were bent over and and in a vulnerable position. Tampa did a good job of getting a talented player in return.

OriginalPouzar

Tampa was losing Howard until August 2026 and, if they did lost him via free agency, they would have been compensated with a 2nd round draft pick.

I do not believe they were vulnerable at all when making this trade – they had tons of time.

Darth Tu

Interestingly you bring up Frederic there in the LW chat, I kind of had a thought they might try him right wing with McDavid to start the year (at least until Hyman is ready). If that is the case then there’s one less LW hurdle for Ike to jump.

Frederic being an option to displace Nuge/Henrique as a 3C is a great wrinkle too. I love versatility and this roster seems to have it in buckets.

cowboy bill

I’ve heard Howard can play both wings to his credit. If Hyman isn’t ready to start the season, then I could definitely see Mangiapane, who likes to play RW also & Frederic as McDavid’s wing men, one of them may find a home with McDavid & Hyman.

cowboy bill

There certainly is plenty of insolation for young players such as Savoie, Howard, Emberson & Regula to enter the lineup. This club is in a very fortunate position in that regard. The cards aren’t completely dealt. Nuclear deterrents might be a thing of the past; it’s the same old story Edmonton is going to need to be team tough, they need to be a no-nonsense type of team. I just don’t think they’ve addressed this situation enough and that is my only concern.

Scungilli Slushy

There was a time when teams tried to tool themselves to beat the Oilers. The plan they concocted was usually to have good players, but to be tough as well, to have instigators of various kinds, and get the Oilers off their game

It was a good plan, and it worked pretty well, but the Oilers just had too many great players and as a team had more uber competitive types who would do anything to win. MacT said the team thought there were a few other ones that were pretty close to them. As a young fan I didn’t think that, I thought every game was theirs to lose

I think in terms of the Panthers as to what the Oilers need to become, because the Panthers are like those teams of yore battling the Oilers, and in this era have come out on top of the more skilled team. It looks so much like the Oilers playing the Flames in the 80’s, salt in would that the Chief Ass and his sidekick came from the Flames

The Panthers dirty is all up front. Ekblad is a tough player, but he doesn’t seem dirty to me, nor the rest of them. A pretty traditional type of D group, which suits Maurice’s simple system. Simple is good, any knucklehead can execute it, and players don’t have to think, which slows them down. It also allows new players to contribute sooner

The answer to Tkachuk and Bennett, and to Barkov’s euro dirty, is to build a D group that can make their lives miserable. Like the 80’s Oilers, who weren’t a flashy group outside of Coffey and the odd Finn wheeler. They were a tough, mean, nasty bunch, and wildly competitive

Bennett can’t run the goalie at will if he has a harder time going there in the first place. Because they aren’t a good D group at boxing out, the Oiler D being out of position or behind gave Sam the cover to accidentally on purpose do what he does. Having D that can get some hits on the boards while battling, and whatever else they want to do

I like the skill, but there still needs to be balance, and any O zone that is too easy to play in usually ends poorly for the host

OriginalPouzar

From last year’s team (regular season), they’ve lost Corey Perry and added Trent Frederic. I don’t believe they lost any team toughness with Brown, Arvidsson or Skinner or Klingberg.

Scungilli Slushy

Arvi can be a bugger to play against. I didn’t see much of it in Edmonton though

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I smell an actual hockey trade before opening night.

Scungilli Slushy

It will be interesting to see what they do with all of these forwards. The ones I see as certain are Connor Leon Hyman Nuge Mangiapane Podkolzin Frederic Henrique

That leaves Janmark Kapanen Lazar Tomasek Philp Savoie and Howard going after 5 or 6 spots. That leaves one player out if they carry 14 forwards. Stauffer says they also want to have cap space to accumulate for the deadline, I expect Bowman does some things. Camp should be a banger

cowboy bill

If they could add a young Lucic to the lineup, I’d be ecstatic.

godot10

What is Vasily Podkolzin.

Last edited 3 hours ago by godot10
Fibonacci

In his 4th pro season, Lucic scored 30 goals and 62 points.

Podkholizin just completed his 4th pro season and in his career has a total of 26 goals and 59 points.

While there are certainly some similarities in playing style, Lucic had significantly superior offensive skills.

Scungilli Slushy

Lucic is also enormous and one of the toughest. Pod doesn’t like fighting but will, and is far smaller. He’s listed at 190 by the Oilers, Lucic is almost 240

OriginalPouzar

Tea leaves have Janmark off the roster and I think they probably want to go with 13F.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes Bob has been hinting as you’ve posted for us. I’m not sure what to think about that, but he didn’t have the playoffs he did the year before, makes him expendable I suppose

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