There are no words, rhymes or chimes to truly describe it, beyond the universal line we all share in historic moments: “Where were you?” and that’s about all there is to say about it. I was in my easy chair, stone cold shocked and spilling my wine. I’m still a little that way about it.
Edmonton Oilers top 20 prospects ranking, summer 2024 – The Athletic https://t.co/dDjAnCiAPs
I have my top 20 prospects ranking up at The Athletic today, I’m here to tell you there is new hope in the prospect pool. Quite a lot, actually. The Oilers badly need strong campaigns from the young Bakersfield Condors forwards, but I do believe the addition of Noah Philp (who is ranked) will help in a big way. I think the Oilers did a great job in the last 12 months, have to keep going. I wouldn’t mind more ‘shoot the moon’ shots, but understand the shelves needed to be restocked.
I think there are nine or ten men on this year’s list you should expect to spend 100+ games in the NHL. Some will go the route of Reid Schaefer, and some will enjoy the great chefs of Europe, but this year’s list is much better than the summer 2023 top 20.
Here’s a look back to 2015, possibly the finest group of prospects ever in Oilers history.
TOP 20 PROSPECTS, SUMMER 2015
(Winter ranking in brackets)
(NR) C Connor McDavid. The franchise. Words are all we have until fall, and we used them all up before the draft. I think he might start the season with Hall and Eberle, perhaps Pouliot and another veteran. If you’re an Oilers winger, that RW job on 97’s line is the ultimate. NHLE: 82GP, 23-40-63.
(1) C Leon Draisaitl. Remember the days without a big C in the system? Maybe he ends up on LW but the size/skill combination is too good to trade no matter how severe the defensive woes become this fall. I love his passing, he’s a wonderful player. Leon’s junior time this year was productive, and I think, or hope, vital to his development. NHLE: 82GP, 15-26-41.
(2) D Darnell Nurse. The Oilers future on blue, it’s just a matter of when he arrives. The big item for Nurse is his speed, he’s a fast train who can recover quickly and pressure opponents into mistakes. I don’t think there’s evidence that he’ll score 40 points a season, but that aside, Nurse does appear to have the full range of skills. NHLE: 82GP, 7-16-23.
(NR) D Griffin Reinhart. Big defender (6.04, 217) was a dominant junior player, basically neutralizing his part of the ice as an Oil Kings blue (and playing monster minutes each game). His one pro season contained (in his own words) some struggles but that’s not unusual for young defenders. A big part of his game is defensive but he’s not without skill, able to jump into the rush and recover when necessary. NHLE: 82GP, 6-11-17.
(4) C Bogdan Yakimov. Big C impressed during TC, then struggled offensively for long stretches. It took time for him to find his way in OKC, but when he finally settled in the results started to roll in. He hit his stride in final 13 AHL games (6-6-12) before losing his season to injury. His exceptional size (6.05, 232) and physical presence (he’s a load) mean he could be effective if there’s even a little offense. NHLE: 82GP, 10-13-23.
(5) W Iiro Pakarinen. 6.01, 205 winger with grit and skill. He came into the organization and passed damn near everybody, eventually finding his way to the NHL before injuries derailed his season a little. Pakarinen can play either wing, has good speed and has decent hands. NHLE: 82GP, 16-11-27.
(9) C Kyle Platzer. One of my favorite prospects in the system, he was behind pretty much everyone in London on his draft day but worked his way into a feature role. He emerged as a genuine NHL prospect in his final junior year. Platzer has skill in abundance, but before he blossomed the young man’s reputation was as a two-way type. NHLE: 82GP, 12-17-29.
(6) C-R Greg Chase. Gritty forward with offensive ability. Agitator of the first degree. Chase remains unique on the Oilers prospect list, a fiery player with skill and attitude, willing to give no quarter and likely to initiate trouble. That has value, and if he can do it without costing his team too many penalties. NHLE: 82GP, 8-16-24.
(17) L Anton Slepyshev. It is so difficult to project prospects who play in Euro major leagues. Slepyshev scored 15 goals in a tough damn league playing 12:26 a night, that’s a substantial player (especially at 20). Began the KHL season 39GP 5-7-12, then posted 19GP, 10-3-13 to end the year. I have him behind Yakimov based on my reading of his play away from the puck, seems to me he may be a bit of an adventure. NHLE: 82GP, 17-11-28.
(NR) D Ethan Bear. Early this season, I made a list of CHL defensemen who were showing up often in conversation about the 2015 draft. Bear impressed me as a guy who clicked off all of the boxes: Good skater, makes pinpoint passes, makes good decisions, calm feet, built like a tank (5.11, 200) and can hit hard. Bear didn’t get a lot of ink during the year but posted good numbers and what little was written about him was positive. NHLE: 82GP, 5-9-14.
(16) G Laurent Brossoit. One of the best stories out of OKC last season, Brossoit’s numbers (.918SP) suggest an actual goalie prospect on the horizon. One of my favorite moments of the season came in his NHL debut, and the young man did not disappoint (although his team did). Edmonton’s goalie situation remains fluid despite the acquisition of Cam Talbot yesterday. He’ll be in Bakersfield, but don’t count out a recall if things go wacky again in Edmonton.
(14) D Joey Laleggia. Quality offensive defenseman at the NCAA level, the downside is size (5.09, 182) and the upside is a splendid puck-moving defenseman. The Oilers have a few in the system (Justin Schultz, Brad Hunt) and the level and degree of ability varies. As the Oilers aren’t going to employ many of this type at one time, it’s important that Laleggia shows he can play defense while also posting crooked numbers on the scoreboard. NHLE: 82GP, 14-23-37.
(8) D Dillon Simpson. The jump from college to pro was a big challenge early for the young defender, but he found his way as the season rolled along. Simpson suffers from the same malady (imo) as Reinhart—the adjustment for defensemen college/junior to pro is substantial and takes time. NHLE: 82GP, 2-9-11.
(NR) G Eetu Laurikainen. I’m not absolutely certain the advanced math people are getting through to management on draft day, but if they had any input on this player then they’re earning their keep. A .933SP in any league is exceptional, in fact if the kid playing street hockey outside your house is at .933, sign the man!
(29) R Andrew Miller. Season over season progress in the AHL (34 points in year one, 60 in year two) indicates the period of adjustment is over and he may be ready for a higher league. Looked like he belonged in an NHL audition, scored his first goal on a penalty shot. NHLE: 82GP, 16-19-35.
(22) D Jordan Oesterle. I’ve absolutely bought in on Oesterle after seeing him at the NHL level. He’s fast! You have to respect a player with wheels and in Oesterle’s case there’s a substantial amount of good information on the resume. An offensive D who can move the puck up smartly has extreme value in this era. Oesterle could be an NHL player by this time next season. NHLE: 82GP, 6-12-18.
(NR) D Caleb Jones. A mobile defender with a reputation for being a very good passer (seemed to be a theme in this year’s draft). I doubt he got much power play time (1 assist) so it’ll be interesting to see if the boxcars spike as he moves to the WHL for the coming season. 6.0, 194, can skate well and thinks the game well based on scouting reports (ISS has a nice profile). Seth’s brother, NHLE: 82GP, 2-5-7.
(7) C Jujhar Khaira. If he could only score a little more, Khaira would be much higher on this list. The Oilers have drafted so many players his size (6.03, 214) who have one flaw or another. We identify the flaw early, watch the player progress, stall and then get flushed out of the league. Travis Ewanyk is a recent example (sent away yesterday, didn’t get reported much). NHLE: 82GP, 4-5-9.
(10) R Tyler Pitlick. He’s the ultimate recent example of a guy who always looks like a player but the results don’t follow. Injuries have derailed him, I think he may need a second organization. There’s always a chance, the new coach coming in might like what he brings. NHLE: 82GP, 8-16-24.
(15) D William Lagesson. Physical defenseman with a reputation for being solid in coverage. It’s so hard to quantify his progress but I believe (based on reports) he had a good season. We’ll get a better idea on him as he plays in college, there was some buzz about him moving to that level, always a good sign. Years away. NHLE: 82GP, 1-6-7.
A busy Friday on the Lowdown, Sports 1440. We’ll talk to Steve Lansky and Tyler Yaremchuk, Declan Krueger will have his Declanations, plus we’ll spend some time discussing the Riverhawks season. We’ll chat about the Elks (unfair the team is 0-4 and the Roughriders are 4-0, they aren’t that far apart) and look to the rest of the summer in baseball. I’m at Lowetide on twitter, in the comments section here and on the Sports 1440 text line at 1.833.401.1440 directly.
Aside from the obvious Edmonton/St. Albert connection, the GM who recruited him to Dubuque four years ago was none other than Kalle Larsson, now the Oilers’ Senior Director of Player Development.
Felt like the South American officials did everything they could to prevent any Canadian advantage. We had tons of high danger chances but didn’t finish. Tough luck on the one goal against, our goalie has been spectacular in the entire series and was equally good today… until he got caught way way out of position.
Then the penalty kicks… bigtime drama… CANADA WINS. BOOM.
Durag
July 5, 2024 9:20 pm
Canada moves on to take on Messi and Argentina in the Copa America semis.
It’s coming home.
winchester
July 5, 2024 8:44 pm
This McLeod trade is the best move of the spring.
His reputation as a defensive specialist is a myth.
He would do some many flybys and not engage that the zone was lost, but with his speed he’s first back looking strong defensively. It gets missed that the error was in his lack of forecheck that caused the problem in the first place.
His speed will be missed and he certainly is an NHL player but not a playoff performer.
Short term, Holloway will step in.
Longer term, getting Savoi was a steal. Fantastic move.
McLeod speed will keep him in this league for another decade plus but he’ll never score 20. Nevertheless he was one of our few trade chips because of his speed. Who and where was this Jackson character 5 years ago. If not for his firing of Woody and bringing in his man K.K this franchise would be in doggy doodoo.
I’m a bit flummoxed…are we really kicking the corpse on the way to the cemetery?
That was over dramatic, and I’m not arguing metrics; I will happily acquiesce because I am not an advanced stats guy…your interpretation is very likely better than mine.
I just don’t get the need to tear down a guy when he leaves. We all saw the playoffs, he is what he is…but I think he’s a damn good defensive player in the regular season…if he’s cheating on offense, sure…but don’t we get really shitty on the guys at ho cheat on d to creat offense and get burned?
Not seeing the point in this. No offense at all intended.
You are correct. No need, the deal is done. I have been hard on McLeod for some time now. Mostly because becoming that third line center we needed was within his grasp, he was so close. I am disappointed for him, to don’t think he will take the trade well.
dulock
July 5, 2024 8:40 pm
It’s interesting that Tullio was the “plus-one” in this trade and not Lavoie. I don’t see Tullio or Lavoie as being much more than a 3/4 liner but Lavoie would seem the player Buffalo should want more and Edmonton doesn’t seem particularly interested in playing him.
I mean it makes sense to keep Lavoie but it makes me wonder if there is a plan to give him a real shot (they have another spot now) or is it Buffalo wanted the younger guy?
elgruntus
July 5, 2024 8:36 pm
I like the change of direction with this trade.
The Oilers usually “fall in love” with their kids, wait too long and end up giving them away for nothing. Yamo, Yak, Jesse all had lost their draft luster by the time they were dealt.
McLeod still had some shine but it didn’t seem like he would ever “sparkle”.
Victoria Oil
July 5, 2024 8:27 pm
Was a bit concerned about Savoie’s possible bonuses, but Cap Friendly tells me it’s only a million. So if he pops during his ELC, his AAV will only be $1.9 million max, which is pretty decent for a top 10 pick.
Said I was flummoxed in a thread criticizing the highlander…this comment confused me more than that. Wowsers. As mentioned below, speed is wonderful. Doing something with it is better. Being terrified of stopping around the net is a whole other thing. MacLeod is a really wonderful skater, who is so scared of the net that he never goes near..he doesn’t have the instinct for contact…
SVR
July 5, 2024 8:01 pm
It appears we are a Ceci trade away from cap compliance WITH Bro and Holloway signed. That’s huge as we can accrue cap space through the season for deadline addition, and we can get Kane in the line up as soon as he’s healthy!
Not to mention we picked up our best forward prospect since 2016!
Kane McD Skinner
Henrique Drai Arvi
Holloway RNH Hyman
Janmark Savoie Brown
We’ll see. It’s a long season. Guaranteed the lineup will change many times. Wouldn’t surprise me if Savoie starts the year in Bakersfield. A prospect of his calibre should be able to force a recall at some point though.
The rest may or may not happen, but KK shuffles the lines often and the point is he has lot’s of options
Agree on Savoie but have to disagree on the right side defence. Broberg proved he could play with Nurse in the playoffs. Stecher is a proven NHL player. I think there is an argument he is better than Ceci. He is fine as 3rd pair right d. Brown and Kemp can be cover. This is viable in my opinion, and can be upgraded at the deadline if necessary since we will be accruing cap space once we trade Ceci.
leadfarmer
July 5, 2024 7:37 pm
Mcleods speed was a nice change of pace for this team. Opposition would take a breather when Mcdavid was off the ice and forget about McLeod. But this trade was a no brainer.
its interesting that we drafted Henriques replacement and traded for Skinners replacement.
Hoping for the best with Clouder too. He always had a good foundation of skills, primarily his default speed and hisdefensive IQ, as it has improved. You were always just kind of waiting to see if his maturity into building more man strength would give him more confidence to drive the net and be less of a perimeter (speed skater) player. I think it can still happen, just didn’t under our timeline.
Players tell you who they are. It’s been shown playing inside is either part of your play or it isn’t. You don’t develop it. The Oil have placed value on that skill and that made Mcleod expendable. Makes sense. Buffalo got a good young player, Oil got a high skill prospect.
Agree – I thought some of Perry would rub off on McLeod, the way the old man battles at the net, and the aggression that he brings on the ice would inspire McLeod to go to where the goals are scored when you’ve got a muffin shot. With his speed he should been able to get behind the D with ease. Or by watching Hyman’s work in front of the net. He had guys on the team to show him the way. But in the end he couldn’t evolve beyond his pre draft scouting report. He just wouldn’t stop in front of the net and battle for position there.
Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve
July 5, 2024 7:25 pm
I hope Jackson is interviewing himself for GM.
Wow.
So the Oilers can likely become cap compliant without LTIRing Kane (which is good because cap accrual).
This is bizzaro land. We traded FOR the high end prospect? We signed value deals?
I’ve just realized that I’m in a pocket dimension. I think I like it here. It smells nice.
Giggleplex
July 5, 2024 6:58 pm
Looks like LT’s top 20 prospect list is outdated in less than a day 🤣
maudite
July 5, 2024 6:54 pm
Ugh there is nothing much in the ufa RHD ufa after this season market. Gustav lindstrom if detroit peters out?
The rest of the options appear presently unsigned for even this season even and dont fill much of a hole with bouchard on roster (barry, shultz, deangelo).
Boqvist is out there…if ceci could be dealt, maybe thats a gamble wirth taking for longer term gain?
They’d have stretcher/josh brown/boqvist to rotate through 3RD
That would be great just think conroy isnt playing ball even if we made best offer again -> for nonhockey related reasons (i think that team is doomed).
The Oilers have boxed themselves into a situation where they have a great top D pair but the next 3 best D are all lefties. I don’t think we’ll see a 2RHD UFA signing simply because it would take too many moves and we’d still have Broberg on the bottom pairing. We could see a trade but my suspicion is that because the Oilers can’t move Nurse, Broberg will get extended time at 2RD and they’ll acquire a rental (or longer) at this deadline and make a permanent move by the end of 2025-26 when Ekholm is done his last year (and also 36).
I wonder if there is a deal to move out Ceci in motion to get the Oilers under the cap without having to LTIR Kane. Justin Schultz could be signed on a cheap 1 year deal, and could serviceably fill the RHD role until next trade deadline.
“This is a four quarter win for the Oilers. First corner is they get a highly skilled player. Then you get a player on an entry level contract for three years. Third corner you get salary cap relief and fourth being able to take advantage of a situation where the opposing team had a surplus of the same player (smaller, skilled players). I view it as a win for Edmonton.
“I’ve watched McLeod since he was 15. He has never been a big point producer. He is what he is, a solid NHLer,” @CraigJButton
Funny. Erat was 32 when the trade happened. Not apples to apples but would love a similar offensive upgrade.
maudite
July 5, 2024 6:06 pm
2 million wasnt much to pay for 30 point guy with wheels and decent pk2 numbers…but do like its for legitmate right shot prospect with 2 more years left on entry deal.
Id say decent work.
Lavoie and borgault road to show juat got a bit tougher.
– Add holloway and bro contracts…2.7 ish million range available. Roster 23/23
– waive perry, ryan and brown 3.05 million. 20/23 roster, right at cap for starting roster
– LTIR kane, recall 4 players of their choice & “you’re a nephew of robert” (bob’s your uncle) -> whose accruing 1+ million worth of cap space for deadline.
This is a tidy bit of business, factoring cap compliance in.
Yeah, id rather they pick one to not pay more later. They cqnt kerp walkimg players to brink…i dont know i guess noy enough money to extend longer so best give them both 2 yrs cheap on Qualifying offers decide maybe next offseason one to go longer.
I’m hopeful the Saovie can help spark Bourgault and get his development back. Bourgault has depth pick value, if that.
I’m not sure why acquiring Savoie would mean Bourgault is trade bait. The Condors will not be bringing back C. Savoie, Tulio, Malone. I don’t think McKegg is sign and I”m not sure about Griffith.
Seems like the logical Skinner replacement for 2025/26.
MushedPeas
July 5, 2024 5:13 pm
#JJ4GM
Darryl8843
July 5, 2024 5:07 pm
I know Lowetide won’t like this trade. McLeod was great defensively no question but you need some threat of offence with the minutes he was getting. (Enter MacT quote here.) He just didn’t deliver. He was a perimeter player. If he had the balls of Glenn Anderson and attacked the net he could be one of the best 3rd line centres in the league. Not faulting him because everyone isn’t born with that. To me it’s just a reality. Time to move on. Good trade
Personally I think he’ll thrive as a role player glue guy in BUF. Their roster still lacking in defensive responsibility and like EDM they don’t absolutely need Clouder for his O.
I liked McLeod plenty, but the value seems almost undeniable, no? I liked McLeod’s speed, but more than anything, I think he was one of the best forwards we had (short of McDavid) when it came to zone entries.
Well that’s bold. Lowetide’s prospect list favours offense after all, and the key in any trade is getting value back. There’s plenty of reasons to like McLeod as a player, *and* also like this trade. In any event, better to let Lowetide enter the chat and give his verdict.
I am being to have some reasonable faith that a Ceci upgrade at the deadline could be found by JJ.
In the meantime Ceci + Bourgault for Justin Barron + 2nd (Calgary’s) would allow cap room to sign Holloway and Broberg. Let the kids Broberg and Barron rack up the sorties during the season and bring in a hairy assed rental at the deadline.
To me, this deal makes me believe more than before that Ceci is probably gone long before that. I’m not in a hurry to run the guy out of town, but McLeod was a cap dump that doesn’t get us under the cap. Something else has to come along with it. If it’s Kane, then offloading McLeod isn’t necessary at all because Kane off the books frees up all the space we need. If they want to sign Holloway and Broberg, then they’ll need to move about $3M or more. That’s Ceci’s cap hit.
Actually, if Holloway and Brberg sign for less than 2.6 plus, they can get cap compliant on opening day by sending down three players. They will still be at the minimum 20 person roster including Kane.
I don’t think there is any doubt that Kane will need LTIR at the beginning of the season at which time they can reactivate those 3.
The question would be if Kane is gone for the whole season.
Now based on this week, I would be surprised if we entered the season as we now sit.
Evander Kane has 18 SHG (6th most among active players in league). He has 8 straight seasons with at least one shortie, including the last 2 injury-riddled seasons.
Next Oilers:
Henrique 16
Arvidsson 11 (10 over 3 years as a Predator, wasn’t used in that role as LAK?)
Janmark 10
Draisaitl 9
Brown, Hyman, McDavid 8
Nuge 7
In their playoff careers, Davo & Janmark 2, Hyms, Leo & Brown 1
I know the goal of PK isn’t to outscore the PP (at least for mere mortal NHL teams), but perhaps speaks to the skill that can be employed to keep teams honest on their PP
His scoring rates short-handed are off the charts in some years (last season was 2.9 g/60). He isn’t a regular PKer (11.5Gs against per 60 this year) but he seems to get those goals somehow.
They’ve been going hard after low-level righties for awhile. It’s nice to see them swing for the fences and connect on a couple (Arvidsson as well)
JimmyV1965
July 5, 2024 4:06 pm
Great trade. There is no role for McLeod on this team in the next two years. He’s not really a fourth line player and he doesn’t score enough to play wing. Why have a young kid hang around playing five minutes a night for at least two years? Better off trading him for a legit prospect.
It’s probably better if the Oilers didn’t see a future for Carter to let him go now instead of a year or two in and then Matthew has to decide if he wants to be on a team that blocked his brother’s progress.
mooses knuckle
July 5, 2024 4:06 pm
Brayden Point:
5’10” 183lbs
Draft Year (WHL)
72GP 36G 55A 91P (1.26p/g)
Draft + 1 (WHL):
60GP 38G 49A 87P (1.45p/g)
Draft +2 (WHL):
48GP 35G 53A 88P (1.833p/g)
Draft + 3 (NHL)
68GP 18G 22A 40P
Matt Savoie:
5’10” 179lbs
Draft Year (WHL)
65GP 35G 55A 90P (1.39p/g)
Draft +1 (WHL)
62GP 38G 57A 95P (1.53p/g)
Draft +2 (WHL)
34GP 30G 41A 71P (2.09p/g)
Very similar players over the years. Savoie tracking ahead, the one concern is injuries. I hope the Oilers don’t hesitate to bring him up this coming season if he shows well at camp and in the AHL.
This has the potential to be an absolutely stunning trade if Savoie can stay healthy. Exciting stuff.
If Savoie can track w/Brayden Point this would be a huge win.
Great comp.
Mayan Oil
July 5, 2024 3:58 pm
Wow. Just wow. I was expecting relative quiet for 2 or 3 weeks, while JJ found a new GM, started Drai negotiations and sorted out the Kane scenarios… then this happened. GREAT SURPRISES from JJ! I hope he stays in the interim role for a while longer, what an amazing offseason so far, with more to come.
Count me slobberknockered and gobsmacked, in a good way.
Last edited 4 months ago by Mayan Oil
DevilsLettuce
July 5, 2024 3:45 pm
Jeff Jackson has a mysterious twin brother Geoff Jackson who is now GM for all time.
Many won’t recall, but I jokingly referred to Carter as my draft pick. (I had brought him up on the blog here before his draft). The Oilers recently didn’t give him a qualifying offer.
I had heard his brother Matt was even better, but hadn’t followed him.
I also really liked McLeod and his speed in the bottom six. I had recently mentioned if you put him on a line with two high-end wingers, it could be a Ryan Strome 2.0 type situation.
Ballsy and unusual trade for the Oilers. I’ve wanted the Oilers to make a Sakic-like trade for emerging talent for years, and here we are. You really have to trust your scouts and you have to get on base with these types of trades. Your scouts have to be right.
They don’t have room for an NHL player without moving someone. To me when that Canuck or whoever tried to make McLeod spook I thought that’s it. Just after his interview where he said it’s ok to play on the perimeter sometimes. Kind of his Eberle playoff moment
I have wanted the Oilers to be able to trade roster players forever for assets to restock the system. You just shouldn’t run yourself dry unless you are a team on the verge of aging out and are going to go the rebuild route
There is risk here because of his size, but talent wise it’s a steal. Especially for a player that probably didn’t have a ton of trade value
Is there a way to have Carter sign a contract? The Qualifying offer thing is a sort of set value isn’t it? He’s not exactly set the heather on fire so far so I could see the Oilers maybe going back to him with an AHL only deal or something – again unsure if that’s even possible.
Still, would be nice to have both brothers in the system and playing for Bakersfield for a bit.
He’s UFA now I believe, so yes. I could see him wanting to play with Matt if nothing else comes up that’s interesting. Given draft +4, smaller and not producing there probably won’t be much
Excellent. Hopefully for the family connection sake he gets a run with his brother. Carter had flashes, but he seemed to get hit by the injury bug and then stuck in that weird cycle where the young guys were getting no push.
Maybe an AHL deal for a few years and he comes along a bit.
I would think that some NHL team would take a flyer on Carter on a one-year two way deal but, if there are not NHL contract out there for him, I do wonder if Keith Gretzky would sign him to an AHL deal, and if the player would want that.
The Oilers do have an influx coming to the AHL (or at least turning pro), M. Savoie, Stefan, Stonehouse but I guess they did just lose Tulio from the AHL roster.
A right-shot top-10 drafted playmaker about to commence his ELC.
It’s rare for the Oilers to win a trade of this nature, and Jeff Jackson might’ve won laughing!
Savoie will be at worst a middle-six center / RW.
For Buffalo they have a plethora of recently-drafted prospects. For that reason I can see the logic in them wanting to build around a core of 23-26 year olds and might feel that McLeod replaces Mittlestadt at 3C, but man that’s a not a good “asset management” swap for them. I’d classify McLeod as a low-end 3C.
Scungilli Slushy
July 5, 2024 3:37 pm
LT was it Jamo that got the waiver wire, and now they do this to you with Gregor? That’s just mean!
Pretendergast
July 5, 2024 3:36 pm
I don’t like losing Mcleod but i think they found him to be soft, which is tough cause he was an excellent defensive center.
This could work out for both sides. Buffalo gets some responsibility and suppression (size and speed too), but lacks offence. They have many young offensive players, so a young defensive center could be a great complement.
Oil desperately need cheap young scoring. Savoie has that and an edge. Both players have flaws but both fill a need. Tullio is more than a throw in but doesn’t have Savoie’s ceiling.
For those wondering about losing Highlander’s speed, Scott Wheeler’s review says: He’s a burning skater with explosiveness and quick three-step acceleration that allows him to win races, separate in transition and put defenders onto their heels, or dash through holes in coverage to the net (or draw a penalty).
Sounds like Savoie also plays with more edge than McCleod: And then on top of those things, he’s got a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
Have to admit the I am surprised the Oilers have traded away McLeod. I think there will be some sadness around here as many championed McLeod’s speed, defensive conscious, PKing. I suspect the organization was frustrated with his perimeter playing style.
McLeod 22/23 playoffs
CF% 51.53 HDCF% 55.47 GF% 32 HDGF% 30.77 xGF% 53.67 6th in F TOI
McLeod 23/24 playoffs
CF% 46.64 HDCF% 46.43 GF% 25 HDGF% 14.29 xGF% 49.25 TOI 7th in F TOI
He has good to decent stats except in the most important ones. If you had to assess based just on the numbers, to me it looks like a skilled player that gets pushed out of the most contested parts of the game – where goals get scored. Other players out:
Looks like analytics might be playing a part here, moving out playoff strugglers. And of course what the managers and coaches observed, I’m sure they talked to Knobby.There were 10 players under GF% 50, 4 are gone. Still there:
Kulak GF% 44.83
Kane GF% 42.31
Ceci GF% 40.63
Nurse GF% 35.90
Perry GF% 33.33
Ryan GF% 16.67
Kulak had to play with struggling players, he seemed mostly good in his individual play. Kane was too hurt, he’s not on the team because of his stats, he’s a unicorn, and it’s not clear he’s there for long
Ceci was part of the D issues in a lot of games, did make a few nice plays. Nurse struggled mostly. Perry wasn’t great, but isn’t there for his play per se, and doesn’t need 82 games. Ryan had a rough go, might be done now, but he’s not an ego player either, will go where they want him to and can spot in until later. Perry and Ryan are really 13/14, not mission critical
So four more key regulars that didn’t help enough on the run. I won’t be surprised to see at some point more moves along these lines, as they tweak the team more in the new management’s direction, and seem to use anylitics as their moves are along what these numbers suggest
They do seem to be looking for more skill and more assertiveness, which suits me just fine. If Kane is ok with the role they want him to play, I think they would keep him if the cap works, but it seems he may not be ok with less of a key role and TOI
Yes, the writing was on the wall. I wonder if McLeod’s agent approached the Oilers asking to be moved. No one likes to be demoted and I doubt McLeod has interested in being 4C with very limited ice time . It could have been nice for McLeod to be under the tutelage of Henrique.
Ethan Bear was recalled on July 3rd. Is that a trade indicator? What are opinions on Stetcher vs Bear? Neither seem like Ceci replacements.
The Athletic ranked Savoie #20 of the NHL’s top 75 best prospects, effective this March: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5303482/2024/03/04/top-nhl-prospects-2024-matvei-michkov/
If you include the Skinner buy out and signing with the McLeod trade, here is the buffalo -edmonton transactions:
Buffalo In:
McLeod – $2.1 m
Tulio (5th round prospect)
Skinner buy-out cost -$2.4 m (until 2027)
Edmonton In:
Skinner $3 m
Savoie (9th overall in 2022)
Safe to say Edmonton is having the better start to July
Good writeup on Matt Savoie by DNB and Scott Wheeler (article from 2022):
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3177950/2022/03/24/matt-savoie-nhl-draft-sabres?source=user-shared-article
Aside from the obvious Edmonton/St. Albert connection, the GM who recruited him to Dubuque four years ago was none other than Kalle Larsson, now the Oilers’ Senior Director of Player Development.
AGENT Gerry Johannson. Just thought that was interesting.
Sid the Kid a big Canada MNT 🇨🇦 fan
https://x.com/PeterAugruso/status/1809432055391908093?s=19
How do you not, as a Canadian, love Sid.
Just a marvelous ambassador…and Connor is cut from the same cloth.
Fun to have incredible countrymen representing us.
Canada’s soccer boys just brought a tear to my eye.
Well done 👏
Felt like the South American officials did everything they could to prevent any Canadian advantage. We had tons of high danger chances but didn’t finish. Tough luck on the one goal against, our goalie has been spectacular in the entire series and was equally good today… until he got caught way way out of position.
Then the penalty kicks… bigtime drama… CANADA WINS. BOOM.
Canada moves on to take on Messi and Argentina in the Copa America semis.
It’s coming home.
This McLeod trade is the best move of the spring.
His reputation as a defensive specialist is a myth.
He would do some many flybys and not engage that the zone was lost, but with his speed he’s first back looking strong defensively. It gets missed that the error was in his lack of forecheck that caused the problem in the first place.
His speed will be missed and he certainly is an NHL player but not a playoff performer.
Short term, Holloway will step in.
Longer term, getting Savoi was a steal. Fantastic move.
I posted stats he was not good defensively in terms of 2 playoffs
He was in the tank goal share
McLeod speed will keep him in this league for another decade plus but he’ll never score 20. Nevertheless he was one of our few trade chips because of his speed. Who and where was this Jackson character 5 years ago. If not for his firing of Woody and bringing in his man K.K this franchise would be in doggy doodoo.
I’m a bit flummoxed…are we really kicking the corpse on the way to the cemetery?
That was over dramatic, and I’m not arguing metrics; I will happily acquiesce because I am not an advanced stats guy…your interpretation is very likely better than mine.
I just don’t get the need to tear down a guy when he leaves. We all saw the playoffs, he is what he is…but I think he’s a damn good defensive player in the regular season…if he’s cheating on offense, sure…but don’t we get really shitty on the guys at ho cheat on d to creat offense and get burned?
Not seeing the point in this. No offense at all intended.
You are correct. No need, the deal is done. I have been hard on McLeod for some time now. Mostly because becoming that third line center we needed was within his grasp, he was so close. I am disappointed for him, to don’t think he will take the trade well.
It’s interesting that Tullio was the “plus-one” in this trade and not Lavoie. I don’t see Tullio or Lavoie as being much more than a 3/4 liner but Lavoie would seem the player Buffalo should want more and Edmonton doesn’t seem particularly interested in playing him.
If you keep one unloading the smaller guy is art work
I mean it makes sense to keep Lavoie but it makes me wonder if there is a plan to give him a real shot (they have another spot now) or is it Buffalo wanted the younger guy?
I like the change of direction with this trade.
The Oilers usually “fall in love” with their kids, wait too long and end up giving them away for nothing. Yamo, Yak, Jesse all had lost their draft luster by the time they were dealt.
McLeod still had some shine but it didn’t seem like he would ever “sparkle”.
Was a bit concerned about Savoie’s possible bonuses, but Cap Friendly tells me it’s only a million. So if he pops during his ELC, his AAV will only be $1.9 million max, which is pretty decent for a top 10 pick.
and these might be attainable in the 3rd year (or even 2nd) of his ELC – ELC bonuses are scheduled:
20G
35A
60P
0.73 P/G
Top 3 +/- among forwards
all rookie team
$250K each
Thanks for this, OP.
I’m not happy with the McLeod trade. He was our second fastest skater next to mcdavid. Jackson is garbage
Well THAT’s a conversation-starter…
Truth
Like when Foegele had a breakaway and skated into the boards with the puck?
Said I was flummoxed in a thread criticizing the highlander…this comment confused me more than that. Wowsers. As mentioned below, speed is wonderful. Doing something with it is better. Being terrified of stopping around the net is a whole other thing. MacLeod is a really wonderful skater, who is so scared of the net that he never goes near..he doesn’t have the instinct for contact…
It appears we are a Ceci trade away from cap compliance WITH Bro and Holloway signed. That’s huge as we can accrue cap space through the season for deadline addition, and we can get Kane in the line up as soon as he’s healthy!
Not to mention we picked up our best forward prospect since 2016!
Kane McD Skinner
Henrique Drai Arvi
Holloway RNH Hyman
Janmark Savoie Brown
possibilities are endless!
this line up is probably the least likely lineups I’ve seen someone come up with.
We’ll see. It’s a long season. Guaranteed the lineup will change many times. Wouldn’t surprise me if Savoie starts the year in Bakersfield. A prospect of his calibre should be able to force a recall at some point though.
The rest may or may not happen, but KK shuffles the lines often and the point is he has lot’s of options
Its highly unlikely Savoie will start the season in the NHL (in my opinion).
I would suggest that trading Ceci and going with Bouch/Broberg/Stecher on the right side with Josh Green (or Phil Kemp) as the 7D is not viable.
Agree on Savoie but have to disagree on the right side defence. Broberg proved he could play with Nurse in the playoffs. Stecher is a proven NHL player. I think there is an argument he is better than Ceci. He is fine as 3rd pair right d. Brown and Kemp can be cover. This is viable in my opinion, and can be upgraded at the deadline if necessary since we will be accruing cap space once we trade Ceci.
Mcleods speed was a nice change of pace for this team. Opposition would take a breather when Mcdavid was off the ice and forget about McLeod. But this trade was a no brainer.
its interesting that we drafted Henriques replacement and traded for Skinners replacement.
Hoping for the best with Clouder too. He always had a good foundation of skills, primarily his default speed and hisdefensive IQ, as it has improved. You were always just kind of waiting to see if his maturity into building more man strength would give him more confidence to drive the net and be less of a perimeter (speed skater) player. I think it can still happen, just didn’t under our timeline.
Players tell you who they are. It’s been shown playing inside is either part of your play or it isn’t. You don’t develop it. The Oil have placed value on that skill and that made Mcleod expendable. Makes sense. Buffalo got a good young player, Oil got a high skill prospect.
Agree – I thought some of Perry would rub off on McLeod, the way the old man battles at the net, and the aggression that he brings on the ice would inspire McLeod to go to where the goals are scored when you’ve got a muffin shot. With his speed he should been able to get behind the D with ease. Or by watching Hyman’s work in front of the net. He had guys on the team to show him the way. But in the end he couldn’t evolve beyond his pre draft scouting report. He just wouldn’t stop in front of the net and battle for position there.
I hope Jackson is interviewing himself for GM.
Wow.
So the Oilers can likely become cap compliant without LTIRing Kane (which is good because cap accrual).
This!!!
With another trade high enough
If they are going to start with Bro at RD they only need a 4C in a while
Probably more moves but I’m already ok with the roster, except one player, first time in a long time
This is like having a dream about what they should do and did it
This is bizzaro land. We traded FOR the high end prospect? We signed value deals?
I’ve just realized that I’m in a pocket dimension. I think I like it here. It smells nice.
Looks like LT’s top 20 prospect list is outdated in less than a day 🤣
Ugh there is nothing much in the ufa RHD ufa after this season market. Gustav lindstrom if detroit peters out?
The rest of the options appear presently unsigned for even this season even and dont fill much of a hole with bouchard on roster (barry, shultz, deangelo).
Boqvist is out there…if ceci could be dealt, maybe thats a gamble wirth taking for longer term gain?
They’d have stretcher/josh brown/boqvist to rotate through 3RD
How much does it cost us to get Grier to go after Andersson in Calgary and then flip him to us?
Long shot of all long shots but it is the play imo since I am fairly certain Conroy will move him for the right return but not to the Oilers.
Some speculation today that Calgary and Vancouver might be discussing an Andersson trade.
It might consist of Andersson to Vancouver for Conor Garland and Podkholzin.
The money works and the teams have a significant trade history.
Garland was real good for the Canucks against us. Still unclear why they would move him.
That would be great just think conroy isnt playing ball even if we made best offer again -> for nonhockey related reasons (i think that team is doomed).
The Oilers have boxed themselves into a situation where they have a great top D pair but the next 3 best D are all lefties. I don’t think we’ll see a 2RHD UFA signing simply because it would take too many moves and we’d still have Broberg on the bottom pairing. We could see a trade but my suspicion is that because the Oilers can’t move Nurse, Broberg will get extended time at 2RD and they’ll acquire a rental (or longer) at this deadline and make a permanent move by the end of 2025-26 when Ekholm is done his last year (and also 36).
I wonder if there is a deal to move out Ceci in motion to get the Oilers under the cap without having to LTIR Kane. Justin Schultz could be signed on a cheap 1 year deal, and could serviceably fill the RHD role until next trade deadline.
Justin Schultz played only 22% of his TOI vs. elites and had a 39% overall goal share. I’d rather go with Stecher/Kemp.
Jason Gregor
@JasonGregor
This is a measured response from Gregor but because he said it I like the trade less now.
That was a quote from Button.
Now trade for David Jiricek or Simon Nemec, please and thanks.
I’m not saying this is Erat for Forsberg
but it’s also too soon to know that it isn’t.
Funny. Erat was 32 when the trade happened. Not apples to apples but would love a similar offensive upgrade.
2 million wasnt much to pay for 30 point guy with wheels and decent pk2 numbers…but do like its for legitmate right shot prospect with 2 more years left on entry deal.
Id say decent work.
Lavoie and borgault road to show juat got a bit tougher.
3 years left on ELC ! If ready next season thats 2 years for 887 k ! absolutely need a deal like that in the mcdrai raise years
Thanks.
See now -350k over cap. Roster 21/23
– Add holloway and bro contracts…2.7 ish million range available. Roster 23/23
– waive perry, ryan and brown 3.05 million. 20/23 roster, right at cap for starting roster
– LTIR kane, recall 4 players of their choice & “you’re a nephew of robert” (bob’s your uncle) -> whose accruing 1+ million worth of cap space for deadline.
This is a tidy bit of business, factoring cap compliance in.
I think Broberg & Holloway come in for quite a bit less than that. I expect them to get the ‘Holland grind’ as RFA’s for the next two years.
Yeah, id rather they pick one to not pay more later. They cqnt kerp walkimg players to brink…i dont know i guess noy enough money to extend longer so best give them both 2 yrs cheap on Qualifying offers decide maybe next offseason one to go longer.
So thats 875 a piece.1.750 mill
So one of ryan or brown not required to waive.
re: the road in front of wingers — maybe their numbers jump (who plays on Savoie’s line?)
Bourgault becomes trade bait today. Maybe used as a sweetener to move Ceci out for a cheaper RHD.
I’m hopeful the Saovie can help spark Bourgault and get his development back. Bourgault has depth pick value, if that.
I’m not sure why acquiring Savoie would mean Bourgault is trade bait. The Condors will not be bringing back C. Savoie, Tulio, Malone. I don’t think McKegg is sign and I”m not sure about Griffith.
They are adding Stefan, Stonehouse, M. Savoie.
Griffith was signed to an AHL deal by Bako
Seems like the logical Skinner replacement for 2025/26.
#JJ4GM
I know Lowetide won’t like this trade. McLeod was great defensively no question but you need some threat of offence with the minutes he was getting. (Enter MacT quote here.) He just didn’t deliver. He was a perimeter player. If he had the balls of Glenn Anderson and attacked the net he could be one of the best 3rd line centres in the league. Not faulting him because everyone isn’t born with that. To me it’s just a reality. Time to move on. Good trade
Personally I think he’ll thrive as a role player glue guy in BUF. Their roster still lacking in defensive responsibility and like EDM they don’t absolutely need Clouder for his O.
As a 4th line center who kills penalties with low expectations they will love him.
I liked McLeod plenty, but the value seems almost undeniable, no? I liked McLeod’s speed, but more than anything, I think he was one of the best forwards we had (short of McDavid) when it came to zone entries.
Great on zone entries but seldom created scoring chances
and there’s the rub.
Well that’s bold. Lowetide’s prospect list favours offense after all, and the key in any trade is getting value back. There’s plenty of reasons to like McLeod as a player, *and* also like this trade. In any event, better to let Lowetide enter the chat and give his verdict.
LT had him as his 2 overall in that draft, pretty sure he’ll like it
Exactly. (read that angle earlier today…managed to forget when posting 😆).
He loves McLeod
I am being to have some reasonable faith that a Ceci upgrade at the deadline could be found by JJ.
In the meantime Ceci + Bourgault for Justin Barron + 2nd (Calgary’s) would allow cap room to sign Holloway and Broberg. Let the kids Broberg and Barron rack up the sorties during the season and bring in a hairy assed rental at the deadline.
To me, this deal makes me believe more than before that Ceci is probably gone long before that. I’m not in a hurry to run the guy out of town, but McLeod was a cap dump that doesn’t get us under the cap. Something else has to come along with it. If it’s Kane, then offloading McLeod isn’t necessary at all because Kane off the books frees up all the space we need. If they want to sign Holloway and Broberg, then they’ll need to move about $3M or more. That’s Ceci’s cap hit.
Actually, if Holloway and Brberg sign for less than 2.6 plus, they can get cap compliant on opening day by sending down three players. They will still be at the minimum 20 person roster including Kane.
I don’t think there is any doubt that Kane will need LTIR at the beginning of the season at which time they can reactivate those 3.
The question would be if Kane is gone for the whole season.
Now based on this week, I would be surprised if we entered the season as we now sit.
but who are the three players…. Brown, Ryan and…..? Perry?
Fun question: Which active Oiler has the most career SHG?
Hint: It’s not Henrique
I was thinking it may be Leon, but that’s not the answer. It makes sense once you see who it is, but it’s certainly not top of mind.
D.Ryan? C.Brown? Nuge? Thinking of long time PKers….
Evander Kane has 18 SHG (6th most among active players in league). He has 8 straight seasons with at least one shortie, including the last 2 injury-riddled seasons.
Next Oilers:
Henrique 16
Arvidsson 11 (10 over 3 years as a Predator, wasn’t used in that role as LAK?)
Janmark 10
Draisaitl 9
Brown, Hyman, McDavid 8
Nuge 7
In their playoff careers, Davo & Janmark 2, Hyms, Leo & Brown 1
I know the goal of PK isn’t to outscore the PP (at least for mere mortal NHL teams), but perhaps speaks to the skill that can be employed to keep teams honest on their PP
His scoring rates short-handed are off the charts in some years (last season was 2.9 g/60). He isn’t a regular PKer (11.5Gs against per 60 this year) but he seems to get those goals somehow.
Interesting. Not sure I would have gotten it right with 10 or 12 guesses.
Looking at the list, seems Arvidsson could slot in on PK. Nice to have options.
2 for 1. Unpossible.
I know Savoie hasn’t played a single NHL game, but it almost feels like it’s undoing the wrongs of the Reinhart trade. We got our Barzal.
He has played one NHL game
Also great, after so many years of Left everything, the team is finally going right
Or getting right shot players, finally
They’ve been going hard after low-level righties for awhile. It’s nice to see them swing for the fences and connect on a couple (Arvidsson as well)
Great trade. There is no role for McLeod on this team in the next two years. He’s not really a fourth line player and he doesn’t score enough to play wing. Why have a young kid hang around playing five minutes a night for at least two years? Better off trading him for a legit prospect.
Totally fine with this move. Just puzzled they didn’t keep the Savoie brothers as a set. Unless Matt’s to be moved in turn…?
It’s probably better if the Oilers didn’t see a future for Carter to let him go now instead of a year or two in and then Matthew has to decide if he wants to be on a team that blocked his brother’s progress.
Brayden Point:
5’10” 183lbs
Draft Year (WHL)
72GP 36G 55A 91P (1.26p/g)
Draft + 1 (WHL):
60GP 38G 49A 87P (1.45p/g)
Draft +2 (WHL):
48GP 35G 53A 88P (1.833p/g)
Draft + 3 (NHL)
68GP 18G 22A 40P
Matt Savoie:
5’10” 179lbs
Draft Year (WHL)
65GP 35G 55A 90P (1.39p/g)
Draft +1 (WHL)
62GP 38G 57A 95P (1.53p/g)
Draft +2 (WHL)
34GP 30G 41A 71P (2.09p/g)
Very similar players over the years. Savoie tracking ahead, the one concern is injuries. I hope the Oilers don’t hesitate to bring him up this coming season if he shows well at camp and in the AHL.
This has the potential to be an absolutely stunning trade if Savoie can stay healthy. Exciting stuff.
If Savoie can track w/Brayden Point this would be a huge win.
Great comp.
Wow. Just wow. I was expecting relative quiet for 2 or 3 weeks, while JJ found a new GM, started Drai negotiations and sorted out the Kane scenarios… then this happened. GREAT SURPRISES from JJ! I hope he stays in the interim role for a while longer, what an amazing offseason so far, with more to come.
Count me slobberknockered and gobsmacked, in a good way.
Jeff Jackson has a mysterious twin brother Geoff Jackson who is now GM for all time.
I’m still not sure what to make of this trade.
Many won’t recall, but I jokingly referred to Carter as my draft pick. (I had brought him up on the blog here before his draft). The Oilers recently didn’t give him a qualifying offer.
I had heard his brother Matt was even better, but hadn’t followed him.
I also really liked McLeod and his speed in the bottom six. I had recently mentioned if you put him on a line with two high-end wingers, it could be a Ryan Strome 2.0 type situation.
Ballsy and unusual trade for the Oilers. I’ve wanted the Oilers to make a Sakic-like trade for emerging talent for years, and here we are. You really have to trust your scouts and you have to get on base with these types of trades. Your scouts have to be right.
They don’t have room for an NHL player without moving someone. To me when that Canuck or whoever tried to make McLeod spook I thought that’s it. Just after his interview where he said it’s ok to play on the perimeter sometimes. Kind of his Eberle playoff moment
I have wanted the Oilers to be able to trade roster players forever for assets to restock the system. You just shouldn’t run yourself dry unless you are a team on the verge of aging out and are going to go the rebuild route
There is risk here because of his size, but talent wise it’s a steal. Especially for a player that probably didn’t have a ton of trade value
Courtesy of Woodguy’s Twitter:
https://x.com/ByronMBader/status/1809332359873065456
Byron Bader
@ByronMBader
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1h
Was odd for sure
If Carter moves on, is Christmas awkward? Or trash talk city?
Click on the link for Bader’s X post. He has Zegras as a Savoie comp.
Absolutely agree that you have to make these types of trades to keep the team from aging out especially by only signing free agents.
I like the Point comp better per mooses knuckle bcs I like Point more
Zegras without douchbaggery and with a work ethic and drive (and chip on the shoulder, from accounts)…………… I’ll take that.
Is there a way to have Carter sign a contract? The Qualifying offer thing is a sort of set value isn’t it? He’s not exactly set the heather on fire so far so I could see the Oilers maybe going back to him with an AHL only deal or something – again unsure if that’s even possible.
Still, would be nice to have both brothers in the system and playing for Bakersfield for a bit.
He’s UFA now I believe, so yes. I could see him wanting to play with Matt if nothing else comes up that’s interesting. Given draft +4, smaller and not producing there probably won’t be much
Excellent. Hopefully for the family connection sake he gets a run with his brother. Carter had flashes, but he seemed to get hit by the injury bug and then stuck in that weird cycle where the young guys were getting no push.
Maybe an AHL deal for a few years and he comes along a bit.
I would say if he’s sticking it out and not going overseas that’s his route forward
I would think that some NHL team would take a flyer on Carter on a one-year two way deal but, if there are not NHL contract out there for him, I do wonder if Keith Gretzky would sign him to an AHL deal, and if the player would want that.
The Oilers do have an influx coming to the AHL (or at least turning pro), M. Savoie, Stefan, Stonehouse but I guess they did just lose Tulio from the AHL roster.
Carter probably wants a second opinion as his first choice.
I kinda miss the days where there were rumors for days or weeks leading up to every Oilers FA signing and players targetted for a trade.
Now it’s all just.. pleasant surprises and quiet efficiency.
que Animal House rant “Cats and dogs, living together…!”
I’ll take this over that.
All day long.
https://lowetide.ca/2022/06/13/lowetide-top-125-final-for-the-2022-draft/
Savoie was #2 on Lowetide’s 2022 draft list.
A right-shot top-10 drafted playmaker about to commence his ELC.
It’s rare for the Oilers to win a trade of this nature, and Jeff Jackson might’ve won laughing!
Savoie will be at worst a middle-six center / RW.
For Buffalo they have a plethora of recently-drafted prospects. For that reason I can see the logic in them wanting to build around a core of 23-26 year olds and might feel that McLeod replaces Mittlestadt at 3C, but man that’s a not a good “asset management” swap for them. I’d classify McLeod as a low-end 3C.
LT was it Jamo that got the waiver wire, and now they do this to you with Gregor? That’s just mean!
I don’t like losing Mcleod but i think they found him to be soft, which is tough cause he was an excellent defensive center.
This could work out for both sides. Buffalo gets some responsibility and suppression (size and speed too), but lacks offence. They have many young offensive players, so a young defensive center could be a great complement.
Oil desperately need cheap young scoring. Savoie has that and an edge. Both players have flaws but both fill a need. Tullio is more than a throw in but doesn’t have Savoie’s ceiling.
Fun trade.
Savoie has two years to graduate into the Viktor Arvidsson role. Having him on his ELC in year 1 of McDavid’s new deal will be very very helpful.
Or 1 year to grow in to the Jeff Skinner role…..
I have no question Clouder will provide value to BUF. Only question is the ceiling on Savoie. Under these circumstances it’s a trade I make every day.
So even though LT has been Sleepless in St. Albert, JJ finds a way to one up him on the day LT releases his top 20 prospect list.
Ha. Where are we sliding Savoie into that list?
Numero Uno with a bullet
Too bad we’ll never get to find out if McLeod turns into a good playoff player.
It has been determined
For those wondering about losing Highlander’s speed, Scott Wheeler’s review says: He’s a burning skater with explosiveness and quick three-step acceleration that allows him to win races, separate in transition and put defenders onto their heels, or dash through holes in coverage to the net (or draw a penalty).
Sounds like Savoie also plays with more edge than McCleod: And then on top of those things, he’s got a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
He should have the Oilers gave his Bro a pink slip!
Scott Wheeler had him number 2 on sabres prospect list. He had sabres as No. 1 prospect group in the nhl.
Curlock hinting that this isn’t the home run trade people are making it out to be. We wait.
You and HH should hang out.
Antagonistgast seems more apt.
Just call me Roge Federer
bcurlock
@bcurlock
This is a far more complicated trade than most are making out. Far more.
But JJ has a set, no question.
2:47 PM · Jul 5, 2024
Sounds a lot more ominous than “Tulio is also included in the deal”. Why he doesn’t just enlighten us all is the question I have.
I hope Jackson has no luck finding a GM. He has been absolute fire in his short stint. Is this what it feels like to be on the other end of bad deals.
So far so good. As an experienced agent, he has made some great signings. Did not expect him to be able to absolutely crush a deal like this.
Need more of this!
John Shannon is throwing out Futa and Gillman
Looks like someone didn’t like LTs prospect list
hahaha
Have to admit the I am surprised the Oilers have traded away McLeod. I think there will be some sadness around here as many championed McLeod’s speed, defensive conscious, PKing. I suspect the organization was frustrated with his perimeter playing style.
Anyone know what McLeod’s GF% and xGF% were?
5v5
McLeod 22/23 playoffs
CF% 51.53 HDCF% 55.47 GF% 32 HDGF% 30.77 xGF% 53.67 6th in F TOI
McLeod 23/24 playoffs
CF% 46.64 HDCF% 46.43 GF% 25 HDGF% 14.29 xGF% 49.25 TOI 7th in F TOI
He has good to decent stats except in the most important ones. If you had to assess based just on the numbers, to me it looks like a skilled player that gets pushed out of the most contested parts of the game – where goals get scored. Other players out:
Carrick GF% 40
Foegele GF% 34.62
Desharnais GF% 27.78
Looks like analytics might be playing a part here, moving out playoff strugglers. And of course what the managers and coaches observed, I’m sure they talked to Knobby.There were 10 players under GF% 50, 4 are gone. Still there:
Kulak GF% 44.83
Kane GF% 42.31
Ceci GF% 40.63
Nurse GF% 35.90
Perry GF% 33.33
Ryan GF% 16.67
Kulak had to play with struggling players, he seemed mostly good in his individual play. Kane was too hurt, he’s not on the team because of his stats, he’s a unicorn, and it’s not clear he’s there for long
Ceci was part of the D issues in a lot of games, did make a few nice plays. Nurse struggled mostly. Perry wasn’t great, but isn’t there for his play per se, and doesn’t need 82 games. Ryan had a rough go, might be done now, but he’s not an ego player either, will go where they want him to and can spot in until later. Perry and Ryan are really 13/14, not mission critical
So four more key regulars that didn’t help enough on the run. I won’t be surprised to see at some point more moves along these lines, as they tweak the team more in the new management’s direction, and seem to use anylitics as their moves are along what these numbers suggest
They do seem to be looking for more skill and more assertiveness, which suits me just fine. If Kane is ok with the role they want him to play, I think they would keep him if the cap works, but it seems he may not be ok with less of a key role and TOI
Wow, that’s for this. Much appreciated.
No worries, was curious as well so wanted the numbers
When Jeff Jackson puts on his glasses…he kinda looks like this guy…
https://hypnotistcalgary.com/
Coincidence?
The way he’s been rolling the past week, he’s starting to resemble THIS guy:
I knew that as soon as Henrique was signed that McLeod was a goner.
but I was expecting a second round pick.
That is a huge trade!! Huge!!
Yes, the writing was on the wall. I wonder if McLeod’s agent approached the Oilers asking to be moved. No one likes to be demoted and I doubt McLeod has interested in being 4C with very limited ice time . It could have been nice for McLeod to be under the tutelage of Henrique.
There really is no role for McLeod on this team. In two years maybe. In the meantime he’s playing five minutes a night on the forth line.
Thought I would do a quick comparison of Savoie to Kailer.
KY: 5-8 / 153 lbs / 1.07 pts per game in CHL
MS: 5-9 / 179 lbs / 1.27 pts per game in CHL
Savoie may be short, but he is stocky so may be able to adapt to the NHL better than Yamo.
Savoie has more skill I think, so yes. For me a long shot because of his size. A comparable is Caulfield, I’m not sure he’s as talented as that
Logan Stankoven….