2024-25 PS Game 6: Canucks at Oilers

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OriginalPouzar

Disappointingly crappy lineup for the Nucks tonight – per Gregor:

Canucks expected lineup tonight in EDM…
Bains-Suter-Sprong
Hoglander-Raty-Lekkerimaki
Di Giuseppe – Aman- Sherwood
Mueller- Sasson- Smith

Pettersson – Juulsen
Kudryastev-Desharnais
Wolanin-Friedman

Lankinen

OriginalPouzar

Daniel Nugent-Bowman

@DNBsports

No confirmation on the Oilers lineup for tonight vs. VAN. Here’s the best guess:

Podkolzin-McDavid-Perry

Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson

Janmark-Henrique-Brown

Caggiula-Hamblin-Pederson

Kulak-Brown

Dermott-Stecher

Gleason-Emberson

Skinner

Rodrigue

I really don’t get that McDavid slot – given Philp is probably in need for a day off, why not throw Hamblin there?

That 4th line is a throw-away line at this point – all but zero chance any stick with the team as Philp is the clear front runner over all three of them.

If that is the defensive pairings, a continuing indication that they really hope Brown is the 3RD, right?

Neither Stecher nor Kemp have played with Kulak at all.

SVR

So next game we should see
Lavoie Philp Ryan
battle it out for the last forward spots

Reja

I have a feeling Podkolzin and Skinner get flipped at some point in the game. Even though it’s exhibition I can see Vasily having a big game against the organization that ostracized him.

defmn

Just looks like another evaluation game for Podkolzin & Perry. The former to get a chance to show his offensive game and the latter to see if he still has his to play with skill in certain circumstances.

The fourth line just looks like a thank you to the AHL leadership group before heading south.

The defensive pairings are intriguing to me. Lots of opportunity for conspiracy theories in all three.

I thought evaluation scenarios would be done by now but apparently Knoblauch isn’t quite there. I expect Philp & Lavoie each get at least one more game after this.

Last edited 11 minutes ago by defmn
OriginalPouzar

Nurse meeting with the doctor today and they are hoping he gets 1-2 games.

SVR

Man, this just keeps sounding worse and worse. I believe I heard somewhere the injury was to his core?

Being that the injury was serious enough that still not fully healed 3 months later, the optimistic side of me thinks Nurse should be back to a top end defenseman once 100% healthy

My pessimistic side wonders how long it will be till he is 100% given the length of recovery time and I’m sure would have affected his training this summer

Scungilli Slushy

I’m less concerned about his fitness level than getting the thing cleared up properly so it doesn’t last all season and tank yet another playoff for him. If he can’t perform well enough that cap hit leaves a big hole

SVR

Agreed, but if it takes missing 15 games to be fully healed, then another 15 – 20 to get fully up to speed, that is all of a sudden a big chunk of the season spent with only 2 top 4 defenseman in the line up. Not ideal and could really affect the bottom line, points in the standings, no matter how good our forward group is

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I am very very worried about the second pair.

Nurse is clearly not 100%. We have seen this story a thousand times. Player not 100% entering camp struggles for the first part or all of the season.

Additionally, 2RHD is not exactly a position of strength. Cannot reasonably expect Emberson to anchor the pairing until Nurse is healthy.

Insert Ralph Wiggum “I’m in danger” meme.

OriginalPouzar

McDavid between Podz and Perry tonight and Drai between Skinner and Arvidsson.

I don’t know why McDavid is playing. I know Philp has played every game but put him there – an actual legit spot where he might play games this season.

General McDavid

Of course Kris Kristofferson died on a Sunday. Some things are meant to be.

https://youtu.be/men-059FGL0?si=rb5GX772__GDNTnb

Rhodes scholar. Gold glove boxer. Helicopter pilot. Movie star. And arguably the greatest C&W songwriter ever. What a life.

If Kris had been blessed with the voice of someone like Don Henley, they would have run out of vinyl printing all the albums he would have sold.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Cuz he only sold 7.9 million albums.

General McDavid

My late father’s favourite songwriter. Have to credit the old man for passing on some of his good taste.

General McDavid

“Loving her was easier than anything I’ll ever do again.”

Bill

Mr. Kristofferson was also a Ranger(Armed Forces).

Remarkable life, remarkable person. Thank goodness we have the vinyl. Music that will never be matched.

Hoppers Hare

If happiness is feeling blue
and drinking in the afternoon
then I suppose I’m happy as a clam,

But if it’s got a thing to do
with smiling and forgetting you,
then I don’t guess that you could say I am.

In my opinion, the greatest run on sentence ever written.

Scungilli Slushy

Amazing fellow. We all have our taste, I might prefer to stick a different set of pipes there

danny

My father was a huge Kristofferson fan, so by extension I always have appreciated his genius.

To me though, what impressed me most, was the way he came to the defense of Sinead OConnor when she made an incredibly unpopular and incendiary (and accurate) claim against the Catholic Church.

She instantly became a pariah and it was open season on attacking her publicly. Very famous people were saying very despicable things about her. But Kris consoled her, commended her courage and stood by her amid the backlash.

That’s a real testament to what kind of person he was. RIP.

OriginalPouzar

I guess we won’t be seeing Kemp with Kulak nor Nurse with Emberson.

It will be interesting to have McDavid in the lineup without Hyman and Nuge, if that is indeed the case.

@TonyBrarOTV

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12m

Players not in the lineup tonight (non-game roster is skating this morning):

Nugent-Hopkins, Hyman, Ryan, Philp, Bouchard, Ekholm, Kemp, Akey, Nurse, Delia. #Oilers

NovaScotiaOiler

Thanks LT. Awhile back a dear friend of mine dedicated a few years of his life (on and off) filming interviews with survivors of the residential school system for the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. As a Cree Canadian, it was really quite hard on him and I could see it’s affects on him each time he returned from a trip.
A few year’s later he ended up channeling that experience into a pretty powerful short documentary featuring one of the survivors he’d originally met doing that work. I thought I’d share it here in honor of today (also available on Prime). If you have 13-minutes it’s worth a watch:
https://www.nfb.ca/film/holy-angels/

Boil-in-the-Oil

Excellent film. Thank you.

Tarkus

Hoffman released from his PTO.

OriginalPouzar

Among the draft picks 2015+ I consider to be successes: Connor McDavid, Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear, John Marino, Vincent Desharnais, Kailer Yamamoto, Stuart Skinner, Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod, Mike Kesselring, Matej Blumel, Phil Kemp.

May I ask how Blumel is on this list?

As of now, he’s 24, played 6 NHL games 3 seasons ago and spent the entirety of the last two season in the AHL.

If he is on the list then can we not put Berezkin and LaChance on the list given their arrows?

Last edited 2 hours ago by OriginalPouzar
OriginalPouzar

Kailer Yamamoto, chosen No. 22 overall in 2017, has played 303 NHL games. No matter what happens from here, Yamamoto was a successful draft pick.

Yamamoto is also 13th in points and 11th in points for forwards in his draft year.

Its was a solid pick – imagine if the Oilers would have chosen Lias Andersson – formerly part of the greatest and deepest prospect pool in league history?

For a while, this was trending to be a very good pick but it seems injuries have taken a toll and his style of play for his size may not have been sustainable for a long career.

Last edited 3 hours ago by OriginalPouzar
John Chambers

Yamo also scored a series-winning goal, in G6 to beat LA in 2023.

His career as an Oiler was only 254 regular season and 34 playoff games, but #56 had moments where he contributed to the Oilers’ ascendency.

Like you say, his injuries kept him from being a draft steal.

Last edited 2 hours ago by John Chambers
winchester

What is success in just playing hockey?

First you must make the AAA squads. That is success for so many minor leaguers. Then multiple seasons as you grow up playing 6 days a week. Thousands and thousands of dollars committed in both money and time.

Getting drafted by an NHL team is a huge success that all your hard work is recognized. But even if not drafted, playing in the WHL or OHL is success greater than 99% of all players graduating from minor hockey.

Making 1$ as a professional is success. Or getting yourself through school. Or a stint in Europe as a young person.

Losing your teeth, breaking bones, pulled groins and dislocated shoulders.

Making it all the way to the NHL is achieved by so few. Massive success.

I think this why we all have a soft spot for that player just on the fringe of making it. He just needs to be a little quicker, a little better skater, an extra move, extra ability to read the play. We cheer for these guys.

dcsj

Yeah, exactly this. I wish they all could make it , which is irrational, but being a fan is kind of irrational anyway. One of the things that keeps me coming back to LT’s blog is the attention he pays to the prospects. Great stories there even though some NHL dreams never pan out

Bruce McCurdy

Interesting that some of the guys with AHL-class contracts got the invite to Oilers camp & some did not.

defmn

Apparently there was a precise number of attendees required/requested/desired/needed for Oilers camp according to various reports & last minute PTO’s.

Something I still find a peculiar explanation when dealing with a group of over 55 players.

Scungilli Slushy

I understand the thinking of what constitutes a successful pick. I have never been able to get there. To me a successful pick is someone who establishes a career at whatever role. If you are healthy and can’t stay in the league more than two seasons, kudos for getting to the league, but obviously you aren’t an NHL quality player

If you are a top 10 pick or so, I think you should be producing at a higher level, and have some impact on the game in a more direct sense, to meet the draft pedigree, in other words be a top player of some sort. It’s a quickly descending scale of success after that, staying in the league covers the bet

defmn

I agree that games played, alone, is too vague. A first round pick who plays 200 games on the fourth line or 3rd pairing might be a success for the player from a financial point of view but I don’t think the team that expended the pick would think so & I suspect the player would also be disappointed in how things turned out.

As you say finding a formula that actually describes what we think of as successful is much more complicated.

YYCOil

Last year’s top 8 teams
Puckpedia depth chart for the upcoming season
5v5 Points per line last year
no adjustment for injuries or rookies

Line 1
Avs 300
Oilers 276 (great line not sure they can pass AVS – #2 Projected)
Panthers 246
Canucks 212
Stars 210
Canes 208
Bruins 194
NYR 187

Line 2
NYR 254
Canucks 176
Stars 170
Panthers 168
Oilers 167 (Arvidsson’s total were low and should 20-30 more points – #2 projected)
Bruins 166
Avs 91
Canes 88

Line 3
Canucks 107
Avs 91
Panthers 76
Oilers 75 (Henrique’s points is 68% of this total, concern IMO – #5 projected)
Stars 74
Canes 68
Bruins 67
NYR 46

Line 4
Canucks 63
Stars 59
Oilers 46 (anyone guess on this one -#3 projected)
NYR 46
Canes 41
Bruins 35
Avs 29
Panther 22

Canucks are the best-balanced team
Canes are the worst balanced team
Puckpedia might have the NYR 1st and 2nd line reversed???

Scungilli Slushy

The Canucks were the best balanced. They have some serious SH% regression to the meat on the horizon word on the street is

Bruce McCurdy

Surely these are points per line in all situations, not just 5v5.

cowboy bill

I guess so. But a guess is only a guess.

Brantford Boy

With the recent documentary on Amazon Prime “The Tragically Hip – No Dress Rehearsal”, I’ll share these links:
https://downiewenjack.ca/our-story/
https://secretpath.ca/#Film

I believe it’s been posted many times here that The Talking Heads were ahead of their time, and I feel Downie was a leader in bringing these issues to the forefront.

Last edited 4 hours ago by Brantford Boy
OriginalPouzar

I think we know we’ll see the Drai line for the first time.

I am hopeful that we’ll see Nurse/Emberson tonight.

Would love to see Kemp with Kulak but figure it’ll be Brown.

Philp has played every game so maybe a night off but I’d like to see him with Podz and one of Ryan or Perry.

Scungilli Slushy

I am concerned about Nurse playing unless 100%. I haven’t seen any reports on him lately. Feels like a problem in the making, hope I’m wrong. They really need a good season from him

OriginalPouzar

The publicly provided info on him was that he wasn’t going to play in any games in the first part of camp and will likely play some near the end.

He participated in all the informal skates before camp and participated fully in all practices and in all drills.

I personally have very little concern unless we see him limited in his play or if he doesn’t paly in 1-2 exhibition games as planned.

Justthestatsman

Can someone enlighten me? Will Roby Jarventie need to be included on the roster for cap calculations if he’s still unable to play on opening night?

Last edited 4 hours ago by Justthestatsman
OriginalPouzar

He would be placed on regular IR but he will have a tiny cap hit as it will be pro-rated to the amount of games on an NHL roster last season – he played 7 games.

Unless he is cleared to be reassigned.

Justthestatsman

Thanks, good to know.

defmn

Thanks, I was wondering the same thing.

OriginalPouzar

If he was on a one-way contract or had played 50 or more NHL games last season, his full cap hit would apply.

For those that don’t hit one of those triggers, the cap hit is pro-rated to number of games on the roster for the previous season. I’m not sure if Jarventie was on the roster for more than those 7 games that he played.

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