Real, Real Gone

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DexandRuby

I’m chill. Not making any judgment on anyone until the games actually matter. The only thing I know for sure is there’s a lot I don’t know. Preseason was dead to me after Ty Rattie.

I can’t wait! But wait is what I’ll do.

The Great One

https://x.com/iwantadonair/status/1841853509102403761?s=61

A different side of Connor McDavid, we rarely get to see. #NHLPrime #LetsGoOilers 

(click for video)

Todd Macallan

Today’s post almost perfectly coinciding with the 20 year anniversary of the release of Tom Waits’ Real Gone. Coincidence? I think not.

Eh Team

It’s a Van Morrison reference

SVR

Haven’t heard anything on Lavoie’s status the last couple of days. Hopefully he’s healthy enough to play tomorrow and can show well enough to earn an opportunity

Having a League minimum signed Dermott, Lavoie, and Philp on the roster over Brown, Perry, and Ryan saves 725k on the cap while quite possibly improving the line up

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

Another day, another free pass for the VGK.

Reja

This opens up a loop hole it’s a copycat league.

The Great One

https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1841862028505342117?s=61

NHL/NHLPA have reached an agreement on Robin Lehner/Vegas. 

Simplest way to put it is this: Lehner’s contract will not count against the cap, but he will still be paid his salary. 

“Unique situation,” as all sides have indicated

The Great One

https://x.com/knightswatchvgk/status/1841863202130550856?s=61

What people don’t seem to realize is that Vegas could have terminated his contract the second he misses his physical. He was never going to be on their books, and Vegas didn’t have to pay him a dime. But they elected to play nice with the player and the PA

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

What you don’t seem to realize it that if Vegas had terminated his contract, with prior knowledge of whatever situation is being deemed unique, they would soil their reputation among players.

They are agreeing to pay him, to look out for their future ability to attract players; and for that they should not get a cap break.

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Side

When a workplace terminates an employee, often the severance is greater than what the employer actually owes the employee. It’s not because the employer is being nice, it’s because they want to avoid a situation where the employee goes after them for lost wages or something similar.

Anyone thinking Vegas did this out of the kindness of their hearts is fooling themselves.

Justthestatsman

Wow, that’s crazy. The NHLPA got their wish as their guy still gets paid and VGK has some extra money to spend. I wonder what the other 31 management teams are thinking right now? This seems even more sketchy than the LTIR shenanigans. Boooooo!

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

Yep, for me it should be LTIR or Player Assistance Program; or if Vegas is as cutthroat as they like to advertise, terminated contract.

Paying him off the books, without cap or contract implications is BS.

jdhardy

Especially if there was a bit of “wink wink nudge nudge” prior to him missing his physical or whatever. Which, being Vegas, there almost certainly was.

OriginalPouzar

2 Mutts saying that the Oilers are in contract talks with Dermott right now. They also say that they believe the coaching staff is high on Brown and can’t see him going to the AHL yet.

ArmchairGM

the coaching staff is high

There certainly is evidence of that.

northerndancer

Keeping Brown in the lineup allows for management to have more leverage on Dermott and his agent. Sending Brown down does not. Plus, sending Brown down now means one less option if he is claimed (highly unlikely but possible) and Dermott doesn’t sign. Patience is more important to management.

Boil-in-the-Oil

I would literally dare (and frankly encourage) any team to claim him.

OriginalPouzar

So, Oilers management and coaching have to decide if they want to win the Stanley Cup or play men who are devoted to keeping the sacred heart of the rugged soul of Oilers physical hockey at Curt Brackenbury levels. It’s a simple choice. The Oilers can make the other team bleed.

All it costs is goals.

I think what is missing is noting that playing a guy like Josh Brown, which seems likely to cost goals, does not actually deter anything – at least not in my opinion.

Reja

No way he starts the year on the roster needs to get his reps in the AHL and be ready when needed.

OriginalPouzar

I think the smart play for the Oilers is to run their six best defensemen and avoid the urge to make a big, season defining acquisition on the blue. 

Agreed. Further, I am not as convinced as many that 2RD is a massive hole right now. Emberson was not a lock, and still isn’t a lock, to be able to perform in that spot but he was a reasonable bet. Nothing in exhibition season has changed that and, in fact, to my eye Emberson has been very good in the exhibition season. He gives up so little at 5 on 5. He has great defensive positioning and a very good stick – he can close gaps, move the puck and battle.

Emberson is 60% plus across the board in all metrics this exhibition season including like 64% expected goals. He’s under in actual goals but I don’t believe that to be indicative of his performance.

If anything, to me, he has propagated the possibility that he can play 2RD on this team and succeed.

Is that fair to Josh Brown? No. Brown brings a physical element and limited defensive acumen, so his performance so far this fall (he owns a 40 percent expected goal share) isn’t fab but if you were expecting Nick Lidstrom that’s on you. 

I think the org has been more than fair to Josh Brown – he has practiced with Kulak every skate and has played two games with him. Aside from the very first game, Brown has been overtly poor in all games.

He has been outplayed by Emberson, Stecher and Dermott.

It wouldn’t be fair to any of those three if Josh Brown was on the opening roster over them.

What should the Oilers do with Brown? Knoblauch should ignore those yelling that the key to the season is protecting the rugged soul of the team. He should eschew any notion of playing men who are not his six best defenders, beginning on opening night and going all season. It’s madness to worship at the alter of moar big when what you really need is faster horses and better reads. No disrespect to Brown, but he would be far better off with a team that played a button down style with forwards who closely resemble Patrik Elias in his prime.

I don’t think the ruggedness that Brown brings comes even close to being more beneficial than the uptick in actual ability to play hockey, defend and make plays that the other bubble d-men have shown as compared to Brown.

Waive him and assign him – he will make his $1MM to ride the bus and potentially earn a call-up with his play.

On merit, he does not make this team right now.

Elgin R

Brown is big and tough
Poor metrics for years in the NHL
Please, please send him down

Fuhrious

Hey OP, you may want to know that the word you’re looking for is promulgated, not propagated.

No offense meant of course, I’m just a word nerd.

McSorley33

We are going to miss Vinny.

Home grown prospect. Developed by the org. Great guy. Great teammate.

After a short hiatus, we have now resumed the annual Oiler tradition of obtaining one of the worst Dmen in the NHL.

Do we really need Willis to point out Brown was one of the worst Dmen in the league the last few years?

Brown turns 31 in January. This is who the player is. Who he always has been. There has been nothing new learned about his game the last few weeks.

The only question that needs to be asked is who are the keen intellects that – not just wanted Brown- but felt *compelled* to want to sign him to a 3 year deal.

Bowman needs to hold some people accountable.

buck yoakam

love me some van the man!…heres that tune with added Canadian flavour..ha

https://youtu.be/pRDHApDmTuI?si=-obTyoBgn43NP7ZA

Gordoil

LowTide I think the fact that Brown has gotten so many reps us the fact he’s hasn’t yet made the team

McNuge93

There is an article on ON about Dermott and Coffey’s coaching. I’m going to cross my fingers that Brown is waived as there is low risk of waiver pickup. And trust that both Knob and Coffee, who value puck moving defensemen, will keep/sign Dermott. The other plus is Dermott can play both sides which is valuable as a depth defenseman.

godot10

Suddenly playing the offside does not matter. Where was that last year?

Side

I don’t think Lowetide’s comment section would have convinced Oilers management to play Broberg on his offside.

cowboy bill

Not making any excuses for Brown, but the goaltender was dreadful last night. A defenseman can only do so much, and the goaltender needs to stop the puck. Olie wasn’t a very good goalie last night. Brown wasn’t a great defender either, he’s clearly being shown up by the likes of Dermott, Stecher and Emberson. I get they want that big tough guy on the third pair, but he has to be a player as well. I’m disappointed in the signing. I believe they need to keep searching for that player.

However, in the meantime they have a trio of defensemen that are capable and up to task ready to fit in with the rest of the D corp. I believe they should have their 7 defensemen in tow. Now that that’s out of the way, there’s one more tune-up to go.

John Chambers

Exactly. The Oilers defense was fine last night. Rodrigue got 60 minutes against an NHL lineup that exposed the gaps in his game.

Brown will undoubtedly get games this season but he’s the new Ryan Murray, or Slater Koekkoek, or Nikita Nikitin. He’ll be relegated to the AHL until he’s needed.

cowboy bill

Maybe some other team will see something in him and claim him off waivers.

winchester

The Florida Panthers rugged soul beat the Edmonton Oilers superior skill.

You don’t go out and get a rugged player. Its built in. Its built into your roster and culture. Your mindset. Its determination. It is a never give up, never back down attitude. Tit for tat. Take a run at us and all hell breaks loose.

Oilers are a championship team. Couple of holes here and there. Ryan McLeod was a fine player, good for 82 games but had no jam for the playoffs. Oilers seen this and could not move him fast enough.

Florida faced similar problem, so they moved Huberdeau and Weegar for Thachuk. That was a bold move.

Evidence is that each playoffs, the top players cannot compete at 100% because of injury. It has been a difference maker. Add more skill and go back at it – will likely return similar results.

Oilers and Stanley are getting closer. Im all in. But to continue the firepower reference, the Oilers are not pointing their cannons the wrong way, they dont really have any cannons.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Your theory does not explain the Panthers winning this year and losing last year with the same roster.

godot10

Injuries.

Florida was also deeper last year.

Darryl8843

It seems in the early days Brown will be the new whipping boy.

cowboy bill

If that’s the case, he might just become that ornery SOB the team needs.

DevilsLettuce

I’m going to trust the coach that brought us a 16 game winning streak, and within 1 win from hoisting the Stanley.

The mere suggestion of Knob and Eakins in the same realm of coaching is absolutely asinine imo. The disrespect is unbelievable, the Oilers are short 1 defender maybe.

See how it plays out, trust the best coach this franchise has had in years, or lose all sense of self composure over Josh Brown lol.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Even great coaches make mistakes and have weaknesses.

It seems bizarre to suggest someone is above critique because of past performance.

Reja

Eakins thought he was a innovator. God’s gift to coaching he thought he was smarter than the game with his Swarm tactics. He must of really been able to spin a yarn getting MacTavish to go all in on him. Kris has no ego lets the players play and will do a fine job this year after stepping into a hornets nest with no lifeline last year.

godot10

Dylan Holloway may get a shot with Thomas and Neighbours tonight. He was practicing with them yesterday. The Buchnevich at centre experiment is still on. Saad’s wife is expecting and may miss the opening road trip. Bolduc has looked good but zero production. Thomas and Kyrou are like oil and water. So Holloway gets his chance to go Top Gun.

Darryl8843

Thanks for the everything Blues update. Just in case we care.

DevilsLettuce

Hope his one arm is up to the task.

Spartacus

Nobody cares.

Work harder.

(which, coincidentally, is also the answer to NO. ONE. IS. LISTENING.)

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I mean I am sure the opportunity in St.Louis to be go to guys was attractive to Holloway and Bro.

Bar_Qu

Holloway’s Achilles heel even while he was here was an inability to regularly score. He is a great possession guy, rugged, defensively responsible and determined in the corners. With all that said, I can’t see him regularly getting more than 20 points. Too many whiffs, double clutches for a guy who is supposed to play with top guys.
I think the Oilers will miss him, but not because he is going to light it up with the Blues.

Fuhrious

Sometimes I wonder how DSF became fixated on going out of his way to come in here post any little thing that might make the Oilers look bad. Satisfying only his own broken internal sense of justice trying to exact revenge for some imagined sleight.

I guess the phenomenon isn’t unique.

godot10

Taylor Hall was closely followed in this blog for a couple of years after the 1-for-1.

Once an Oiler. Always an Oiler.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Brilliant LT!
I fully appreciate the frustration and sarcasm. 😁

hopefully Coach is ready to do what needs to be done…starting NOW!

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I haven’t seen every minute of the pre-season, but what I’ve seen of Brown, I can’t for the life of me see why they signed him. Like, at all! He looks so out of place it’s crazy. He can’t really make this roster can he?

JJS

I mentioned this a while back but keeping players late into camp is also a sign of a new coach to the organization. He has no track record with the prospects. And with the turn over at RD, he needs to see all the options that have been presented to him by the GM.

I am not condoning the approach, but I can see how there has been a delay in forging the final roster. Nurse’s injury didn’t help.

It is a perplexing moment for a team on the cusp

Brantford Boy

LT, so you don’t like Brown today? Got it, me neither.

Bar_Qu

I hope the Brown signing is a lesson that the current mgt learns, along with the further lesson that filling your 4th line by June is stupid. There was certainly too much concern about the bottom pairing & marginal guys to go out and retain Brown on day one, as well as ensure Perry et al returned to the bottom half of the forwards.

Now, I say this with tongue in cheek, because it really does feel like a year over year organizational failing to worry more about forwards 11-14 and bottom pairing D than the holes which are there year over year (2nd pairing D, quality wings in top 6).

Sierra

Are you claiming that the Org didn’t address quality wings in top 6 early in the offseason?

DBO

once again. for those in the back. Brown is destined for the minors. They signed him to deal that no one will claim. he is a physical call up and will be up and down based on schedule. Dermott at $775 also helps us accumulate cap. Brown at $1 mill was (I hope) a strategic move to add size if needed, but set up to be buried in the minors and get called up when they want without fear of a claim.

Dermott fits the LH?RH option for playing both sides. And he is clearly better. So is Stetcher.

Same with Philip. Solid, big, does a lot right. He cant get claimed. he goes down. Simple asset management.

Moar smarter, not bigger please

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

If Brown is destined for the minors then why is he getting so many reps with Kulak?

DBO

giving him a chance to earn a spot. But man he has not. Gregor has a solid article at ON about Stetcher. Makes me want to root for him even more. Still think the best lineup on D is
Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Stetcher
Kulak-Emberson

ease Emberson in. Let him earn the 2nd RD spot over time. Kulak and him more defensive role. Nurse and Stecther more offensive.

DBO

I just hope they are smarter. As you said, Moar size doesn’t mean better. And no one is a deterrent anymore. He is not Desharnais. That is blinders if that is all they see or hope. this is not a year for hope. this is a year to win. And I pray they are smarter and make a better decision.

cowboy bill

If Brown plays in the final tune-up, that will tell the story. We should see the starting lineup in Vancouver.

cowboy bill

IMO the starting lineup would be minus Brown, Roderique & Caggiula. Maybe we see Stecher play alongside Kulak & Emberson with Nurse. Dermott will be signed. But what do I know? To me it’s starting to look like forget the accrued cap space, put Kane on LTIR and bring him back for the playoffs when his cap hit won’t count. Trade for the right fit on defense.

Sierra

Who in the schedule warrants having Brown in the line-up and which team doesn’t?

Durag

Re: Brown – My belief on this is some scout or some readings of his analytics had someone jumping up and down, screaming that if you could just get X and Y warts out of his game, or put him in the right system, there was a serious player there. You sign him 3x$1M and just see if he doesn’t look like a $3-4M player in year 2-3 of that deal.

I haven’t watched any preseason, but it sounds like he’s been somewhere around the 9th best defenceman at camp. Maybe whatever he’s supposed to have ain’t really there, or you have to be a genius to see it.

I don’t buy that he’s there just to be a tough guy. It doesn’t seem to be Knoblauch’s style to deploy face-punchers, and I agree with the article that Connor and Leon don’t need a bouncer. Connor has that snarl, and is too quick and smart to catch in open ice. Mess with Leon at your own peril. I’ve always said, woe unto the man who finally makes him angry enough to drop the gloves. I bet he fights like Ali.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I don’t know. Knobber has some old school tendencies. Based on his deployment and line ups in preseason, he likes what Brown brings.

Durag

Yeah, I re-read my post and it wasn’t clear, but what I meant is clearly someone thinks there is something there beyond fisticuffs. Desharnais was a flawed defender, but you could definitely see his value as a defender beyond just size and strength. It seems Brown has yet to show this, but that doesn’t mean he won’t.

The other big caveat is that this is preseason. It’s not like Brown would be the first veteran ever to look awful all through camp, and be perfectly fine game 1.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I am not sure about that either. I would say Des’ size and strength are the primary reasons he made the show.

Durag

He was good preventing seam passes on the PK, and I thought he made smart plays with the puck, as long as he had at least a little bit of time, less so under intense pressure. He was good at filtering the puck to the net from the offensive blue line too.

Sierra

Was Desh tough, did he intimidate others? Not sure about that one. Did he punch faces, did he win many, any? Did he grab anyone and lay a beating on them?

DevilsLettuce

If he’s the Desharnais replacement, this coach sat Desharnais without hesitation in the Stanley cup finals, something Dallas Celery Sticks Eakins will never sniff as a coach.

Worrying about Brown costing the Oilers is a bit far fetched.

Tarkus

Prospectily!

Isn’t it a pity
Isn’t it a shame
No one ever warned the boy
NHL is a vicious game

‘Tis a twain of OHL’ers in tonight’s light of spot.

Will Beau and his Akey shoulders play their first league game in almost a year? He’s back in Barrie but will he get inserted into the lineup straightaway? We wait.

Meanwhile, Wakely missed out on last weekend’s action–mayhaps he makes his season debut ce soir.

Both men are listed since I’ve seen nothing to indicate they shan’t suit up.

Barrie (Akey) @ 5 p.m.
North Bay (Wakely) @ 5 p.m.

Both times, as usual, are Hillmond time.

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