Old Days

I hold in my hand the 2000-01 Oilers official media guide. It is 240 pages. There are lots of people I’ve met in this guide, some I consider friends. From Bill Tuele to Brent Saik, from Allan Watt and Bryn Griffiths to Melanie Harysh to Joaquin Gage to Rod Phillips, who told me the single funniest joke I’ve ever heard (I can’t tell it anymore). It also contains the ‘in the system’ prospects and that portion of the guide is our subject this morning.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, we are celebrating our 2-year anniversary today. To mark the occasion, you can get 40% off subscriptions until Sept. 19 here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers’ defensive hopes will rest on the new shutdown pair of Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: With Evan Bouchard as the headliner, here are the players to watch at Oilers rookie camp
  • New Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and the configuration of the Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s 2019-20: Pushing for 50 goals while Dave Tippett loads up the Oilers’ top line
  • Lowetide: Estimating reasonable expectations for the 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers: A difficult journey
  • Jonathan Willis: How much money will Darnell Nurse make on his next NHL contract?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s measured summer leaves Oilers outside playoffs.
  • Jonathan Willis: Can Mikko Koskinen be a quality starter for Oilers in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: The 2019-20 Oilers and value contracts: A period of transition
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Jonathan Willis: Jesse Puljujarvi signs one-year deal in Finland, dashing hopes he would return to the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Jay Woodcroft joins Claude Julien and Todd Nelson as key coaches in Oilers prospect development
  • Lowetide: Is Riley Sheahan an ideal fit for the Oilers as their No. 3 centre?
  • Lowetide: Oilers coach Dave Tippett might have to take drastic action in order to find a second outscoring line in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Oilers end summer still shy on first-shot scoring wingers
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid and optimal line chemistry: The Oilers need to abandon enforcer fixation and add a skill winger
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s biggest hurdles: Bad timing and the indifference of the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Projecting the Oilers 2019-20 Opening Night Lineup
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Dave Tippett on rounding out his coaching staff, fixing Oilers’ special teams and using Connor McDavid
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2021-22 Oilers might look like after their steady build toward contender status
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson is ideally situated to win an opening night roster spot with the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ acquisition of James Neal could add badly needed scoring to the top two lines.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!

To celebrate two years (!!!) The Athletic will have a special Q&A today at noon, featuring Daniel Nugent-Bowman, Jonathan Willis and me. Looking forward to it, lots to discuss, please chime in! Here is the link.

THE 2000-01 PROSPECTS

Through this spring and summer, we’ve discussed the Oilers prospects and as a group have decided who should receive our collective seal of approval (Tyler Benson, William Lagesson, Caleb Jones) and who we should view with a jaundiced eye (you know the list).

I’ve been saying for weeks that none of our verbal matters and it’s true. I have no doubt that the players on the upswing had terrific seasons, but we don’t know if they’re going to build on it. History says one in three or thereabouts.

Jeff Petry made it, Taylor Chorney got down the road apiece and Cody Wild didn’t make it. What about the 2000-01 group?

THE 2000 FALL PROSPECT GROUP

Kristian Antilla was a fourth-round pick in 1998, a goalie out of Finland. In 1999-00, he was a regular in the Sm-Liiga, and except for a couple of AHL games in 2002-03, that’s all she wrote.

Christian Chartier was an eighth-round pick in 1999, a LHD. He had a solid pro career, playing three AHL seasons before settling in with German league DEL’s Augsburg Panthers. NHLE: 12

Jason Chimera was a fifth-round pick in 1997, an absolute burner from the Medicine Hat Tigers. Kevin Lowe would tell the media every summer this was Chimera’s year with the big club, every fall MacT would send him out. He would play 130 games with the Oilers over four years before blossoming with Columbus. NHLE: 14.4

Mike Comrie was a third-round pick in 1999, and in the fall of 2000 there was some question about his being Oilers property (he would eventually sign). Comrie was a helluva player, but it never seemed to work out. Injuries shortened a solid career. NHLE: 39.9

Lou Dickenson was a tall center drafted out of the OHL in the fourth round in 2000. He stood out as a promising pivot compared to what was in the system at the time. NHLE: 17.1

Jonathan Fauteaux was a giant RHD chosen in sixth round of the 1999 draft. He played just three AHL games.

Scott Ferguson was an older LHD prospect, Edmonton signed him in 1994, and then dealt him to Anaheim for Frank Musil in 1998. Ferguson was back as a minor league free agent July 5, 2000. He played parts of four seasons with Edmonton in his second stint, including a game on the wing as MacT gave Jani Rita an NHL chance.

Paul Flache was a big RHD, fifth-round choice in the 2000 draft. He played parts of three seasons in the AHL.

Alex Fomitchev was a small goalie chosen in the tenth round of the 1997 draft. He played for the St. Albert Saints at the time, bet the Oilers saw him good (he was good at that level). He had a solid career in Russia (RSL and then KHL).

Chris Hajt was a favourite of mine, Oilers talked about him a lot in the years after he was drafted in the third round of the 1996 draft. He played in six NHL games.

Brett Hauer was a RHD Edmonton acquired from Vancouver in 1995, he was still hanging around five years later. He could move the puck and played in Europe for some time.

Eric Heffler was a free agent signing by Edmonton in May 1999. He was quality in Hamilton (AHL) in 1999-00 and there was some curiosity about him around this time. He did not have much hockey left.

Michael Henrich was a first-round selection in 1998 who had posted two 38-goal seasons in the OHL after he was drafted. He disappointed as a rookie pro and did not play in the NHL. NHLE: 32

Alex Henry was a true giant defenseman, drafted in the third round of the 1998 draft. He had an NHL career, 177 games, as a depth player.

Chad Hinz was an eighth-round pick in 1997. A righty center/wing, he had a big final junior season in 1998-99 and then struggled in pro in 1999-00. He would go on to play four AHL seasons in the Oilers system.

Shawn Horcoff is the star of this little exercise, and the reason why hope springs eternal for some of us. Chosen in the fourth round of the 1998 draft, he would waste little time in the AHL (24 games) before finding his way to the NHL. He played 1,008 career regular season games and played brilliant hockey in 2005-06. NHLE: 41.9

Matthew Lombardi was a skill forward who Edmonton drafted in the eighth-round of the 2000 draft. He was a brilliant pick, and would go on to play over 500 NHL games. Alas he did not sign with Edmonton. NHLE: 15.5

Alexei Mikhnov was a giant LW who the Oilers drafted in the first round in 2000. He was big, skilled, didn’t have a passport and was basically blind. However, he did post a long KHL career, playing as late as 2018-19.

Alain Nasreddine was a rangy defenseman acquired in a trade with the Montreal Canadiens at the 2000 deadline (along with Igor Ulanov). He would play well for Hamilton (AHL) while in the Oilers system and eventually find some NHL work in the middle of the decade with Pittsburgh.

Shaun Norrie was a right winger and a sixth round pick in the 2000 draft. He did not have a pro career.

Fernando Pisani was an eighth-round selection in 1996, and an inspired one for sure. He had a short but brilliant career with the Oilers and by 2000 fall he was ready to turn pro. NHLE: 27

Michel Riesen was a first-round pick in the 1997 draft, a highly skilled Swiss winger who spent 1999-00 on a ‘Bulldog’ line in Hamilton with Dan Cleary and Brian Swanson. He didn’t grab an NHL career but he had talent. NHLE 31

Jani Rita was a first-round pick in 1999, he scored a goal at the WJ’s that year that was unforgettable. In 1999-00 he played sparingly in the Sm-Liiga and never got untracked, although he had a solid career in Europe. NHLE: 8

Terran Sandwith was a LHD with NHL experience with the Oilers (97-98) when Edmonton signed him on July 19, 2000. He played in the minors.

Peter Sarno was a small highly skilled center chosen in the sixth round in 1997. His rookie season in the AHL was strong, and he would play seven NHL games. NHLE: 28

Alexei Semenov was a gigantic defenseman chosen in the second round of the 1999 draft. Big, big defender with slow boots he would play 211 games and qualifies as a success ala Alex Henry.

Maxim Spiridonov was a small skill forward who was chosen in the ninth round of the 1998 draft. In 1999-00 he played 10 AHL and 57 ECHL games. He would have a long career in Russia.

Brian Swanson was a solid center prospect signed out of Colorado College in the summer of 1999. He adapted quickly to the AHL posting 59 points in 69 games in 1999-00. He would play 70 NHL games. NHLE: 29

Brian Urick was a right wing drafted out of Notre Dame (NCAA) in 1996 (fifth round). He would played parts of two AHL seasons.

Alexandre Volkov was acquired from the Washington Capitals in February 2000. He would rocket to Russia for 2000-01.

Brad Winchester was the second round pick in 2000 and ended up being a good selection. The big man made it to the NHL for 390 games. NHLE: 15

Total Players: 31

Total Successes: 8 (26 percent)

Major successes (450+ NHL games) Jason Chimera (1,107); Shawn Horcoff (1,008); Mike Comrie (589); Matt Lombardi (536); Fernando Pisani (462).

Total NHL GP by five major successes: 3702

Total EDM NHL GP by five major successes: 1563 (42 percent)

Shawn Horcoff was my guy in fall 2000 he was demonstrably better as a two-way center than the other young upstarts. He is the ultimate success story for Edmonton in this group because he not only delivered in a prominent role, he did it as an Oilers player for many years. To a lesser degree (because of illness and a shortened career) Fernando Pisani also qualifies.

That’s kind of the point when I talk about not getting your hopes up on a specific player. I can tell you defensemen break your heart, they just do. Years ago the Oilers had a defender named Mathieu Roy, who, while never proven, appeared damn determined to hurt himself on the ice during every shift. Shot blocks to the hand, concussions, leg injuries, oh God the knee, it goes on.

So please don’t be angry at Uncle Lowetide when he says it, but some of these bright shiny faces aren’t going to play 100 games in the NHL. Some will play 450+ and many/most will be for another team. You can say “because Oilers” but this happens for all NHL clubs to a greater or lesser degree.

Mark my words: One day this winter, one or more of you will be fretting over the future of your favourite Oilers prospect. You’ll be exactly where Mrs. Pouliot and I were the day MAP got mono.

I’m not saying stop cheering. I’m saying a little distance from specific attachments is wise when it comes to prospects. Especially defensemen. Not a one of them from 2000 fall played 450 NHL games.

One final thing: Check the first-round picks. My goodness MacT was not impressed with draft pedigree.

Ilya Konovalov

By my count Ilya Konovalov was the first Oilers prospect to play in a regular season league game, and the results were disappointing. He allowed five goals while stopping 30 in a loss, his SP is .857 to start the season. Lokomotiv plays again tomorrow.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning gets started at 10, TSN1260. Frank Seravalli from TSN is back and we’ll chat McDavid return time line, CBA negotiations and more. Anthony Wood from Touchdown NFL will chat Texans and we’ll talk CFL and Oilers rookie camp. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes – rookies report today – we are getting close! There is a hockey game to watch with Oilers jerseys on the ice on Saturday – we get to see the likes of Bouchard, Lavoie, Samorukov, Maksimov, etc. play – how exciting.

    Champions league resumes today – Skelfeeta and Karpat both in action.

    Andreescu in the US Open semi-final tonight – late match – probably around 7:30 eastern.

    Sports, sports, sports!!!!

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Konovalov has just fallen below Skinner and Wells on the prospect rankings – just joking, kind of!

  3. ArmchairGM says:

    Lots of rumors about Winnipeg shopping Laine. Any interest?

  4. unca miltie says:

    Alex Fomitchev was a small goalie chosen in the tenth round of the 1997 draft. He played for the St. Albert Saints at the time, bet the Oilers saw him good (he was good at that level). He had a solid career in Russia (RSL and then KHL).

    How time flies. I was in the press box at the arena in your St. Albert watching the Saints beat up on my Oil Barons and Teddy Green was there as well. He told me he was there to watch the goalie.
    Same night, Bob Clarke and Reg Leach’s old coach, Patty Ginnell was there as well scouting for St. Louis.

  5. chrisco stu says:

    Apropos of nothing, if Persson looks shaky defensively but can skate and handle the puck could he play right wing on a skill line? Say Marleau signed, we could even run the big three split.

    Marleau Mcdavid Kassian
    Granlund Draisaitl Neal
    Benson Nuge Persson

    Or some variation? It still looks thin to me but you never know.

  6. geowal says:

    Going to the rookie game in Calgary on Tuesday, only $5 to sit anywhere, and probably better hockey (the players actually care) than the exhibition games. Even played my first beer league game last night so it’s all happening. Hockey is starting up!

  7. hunter1909 says:

    IT’S BACK!!!!!!!!! FOR ANOTHER EXCITING, INCREDIBLE SEASON FREE TO ENTER + PLAY

    Hunter1909’s Official 2019-20 Death March™

    Entries welcome between now and the first puck drop of the 2019-20 season(October 2)

    Here’s how you play: Guess how many points the Oilers get in the regular season.

    That’s it!

    Tie break: How many goals does JP score for his new Finnish team?

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    “I’ll talk to Tip (Dave Tippett) and we’ll go through the specifics of it when we get to camp, but of course I want to be in the top six. ”

    VS:

    “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal,”

    – One of these two is not the same…

  9. godot10 says:

    //One final thing: Check the first-round picks. My goodness MacT was not impressed with draft pedigree.//

    MacT knew Barry Fraser was scouting from Mexico by then, and hadn’t drafted a decent player in the first round for over a decade already.

  10. M00se1197 says:

    Going to the game in Red Deer on Saturday. Taking my two boy to their first game. Tickets are right at the glass. I’ll make hockey fans out of them yet.

  11. godot10 says:

    //By my count Ilya Konovalov was the first Oilers prospect to play in a regular season league game, and the results were disappointing. He allowed five goals while stopping 30 in a loss, his SP is .857 to start the season. Lokomotiv plays again tomorrow.//

    MacT and Russian hockey players….same as it ever was…oil and water.

  12. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    “I’ll talk to Tip (Dave Tippett) and we’ll go through the specifics of it when we get to camp, but of course I want to be in the top six. ”

    VS:

    “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal,”

    – One of these two is not the same…

    Is it though?

    The error bars on the subtleties of the translation make it so they COULD be the same IMO. They may not be, but I don’t think we can be sure they’re different.

    If for instance #2 was an answer to the question “what are your hopes for the upcoming season?” I don’t see a material difference between the answers.

  13. BONE207 says:

    M00se1197:
    Going to the game in Red Deer on Saturday.Taking my two boy to their first game.Tickets are right at the glass.I’ll make hockey fans out of them yet.

    Moose…

    If I can’t see the game properly because of those loud mouthed glass bangers, we will have words!!!

  14. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jp: Is it though?

    The error bars on the subtleties of the translation make it so they COULD be the same IMO. They may not be, but I don’t think we can be sure they’re different.

    If for instance #2 was an answer to the question “what are your hopes for the upcoming season?” I don’t see a material difference between the answers.

    – I actually agree with you. The consensus though I think its’ fair to say is that the vet who had a poor year last year, and likely trending down gets the benefit of doubt, and the other, an emerging player who also played poorly last year, who has been poorly developed, he can expect here another year of 9 minutes no PP, 4rth line, and needs to listen better, speak better english, fit in, etc.

    – It’s a shame IMO. I’d rather the 2nd guy going forward than the 1st: even if both have questions

  15. WedgeAntilles says:

    I still don’t know what happened with Jani Rita. He was a really solid player when I was covering the Bulldogs, but he just couldn’t put it together at the NHL level.

    Sarno was fun to watch, but frustrating. Like clockwork, he’d carry the puck in, then curl back to the top of the circles. Every damn time.

  16. Nit64 says:

    Fehr is going to pull the pin, but 12 months til anything goes boom.

    “We’re in a bargaining situation in which there is what you might call a soft deadline. Nothing happens on the 16th of September, if there’s a reopening made or something like that”

  17. HT Joe says:

    Lowetide said “Mark my words: One day this winter, one or more of you will be fretting over the future of your favourite Oilers prospect. You’ll be exactly where Mrs. Pouliot and I were the day MAP got mono.”

    I won’t be fretting over any prospects. You’ve taught me well.

    Now, McDavid with lingering injury issues, Draisatl being unable to anchor his own line as Centre in case of McDavid injury, the new goaltending tandem getting caved (and/or Smith getting injured), an underwhelming bottom 6, the worst winger depth in the league, Sekera having an amazing season in Dallas (good for him, bad for the Oilers), another lost season by Halloween, and the ongoing disgruntlement of RNH and Larsson because of yet another lost season… those would be things I would fret over.

    I hope I’m not fretting this fall. 😀

    *EDIT* An underwhelming trade return for JP would also get me fretting, which would compound should JP enjoy a breakout season for a different NHL team on a cheap cheap contract.
    *EDIT* Yamamoto getting injured again would also constitute a fret-worth situation.

  18. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I actually agree with you.The consensus though I think its’ fairto say is that the vet who had a poor year last year, and likely trending down gets the benefit of doubt, and the other, an emerging player who also played poorly last year, who has been poorly developed, he can expect here another year of 9 minutes no PP, 4rth line, and needs to listen better, speak better english, fit in, etc.

    – It’s a shame IMO.I’d rather the 2nd guy going forward than the 1st: even if both have questions

    Yes, no question. The meaning of the first comment is entirely clear without needing to give the vet the benefit of the doubt. The 2nd is open to interpretation and has been widely accepted to indicate entitlement on the part of the player. That may be the correct interpretation but as our host likes to say we don’t know what we don’t know. I think it was very likely a less entitled statement than has been construed. One could give both players the benefit of the doubt I suppose. And yes, it is a shame.

  19. Munny says:

    Jason Gregor‏Verified account @JasonGregor · 2m2 minutes ago

    Yamamoto is still rehabbing. He won’t play this weekend in Brookline game. He said he will speak with doctors next week again and feels he will be cleared in the near future. #Oilers #Condors

  20. Darth Tu says:

    Munny:
    Jason Gregor‏Verified account @JasonGregor · 2m2 minutes ago


    Yamamoto is still rehabbing. He won’t play this weekend in Brookline game. He said he will speak with doctors next week again and feels he will be cleared in the near future. #Oilers #Condors

    And so begineth the fretting.

  21. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    “I’ll talk to Tip (Dave Tippett) and we’ll go through the specifics of it when we get to camp, but of course I want to be in the top six. ”

    VS:

    “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal,”

    – One of these two is not the same…

    Both of them are not the same.

  22. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu: And so begineth the fretting.

    Well played, sir!

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Karpat game is starting if anyone is interested:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ank3haA_os&feature=player_embedded

    Skelefteea goes in a few hours.

  24. HT Joe says:

    Darth Tu: And so begineth the fretting.

    *fretting intensifies

  25. Rich M says:

    Darth Tu: And so begineth the fretting.

    If only Lowetide hadn’t jinked him the other day…

  26. bhooradley says:

    Cheers OP – very quiet day at work so this’ll pass the time nicely!

  27. Jordan says:

    Sheahan signing with the Oilers… interesting… 1yr

  28. dustrock says:

    LT called that one for a while now

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spec reporting Sheehan about to sign a one-year deal.

    Why does Holland hate Marody?

    Just kidding, Sheehan will be good cover – hopefully Marody is able to force himself on to the lineup.

    This is a solid move that keeps the like of Colby Cave off the opening night roster – he is a tweener at best and should only be a depth call-up option, in my opinion.

  30. Jordan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    What number is Jesse wearing, and what colour jersey am I cheering for?

  31. Jordan says:

    Also, is that Sebastian Bisaillon, former Oilers prospect?

  32. jp says:

    Jordan:
    Sheahan signing with the Oilers… interesting… 1yr

    OriginalPouzar:
    Spec reporting Sheehan about to sign a one-year deal.

    Why does Holland hate Marody?

    Just kidding, Sheehan will be good cover – hopefully Marody is able to force himself on to the lineup.

    This is a solid move that keeps the like of Colby Cave off the opening night roster – he is a tweener at best and should only be a depth call-up option, in my opinion.

    Very cool, I like that move a lot. Having an effective checking line now seems plausible.

  33. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Just kidding, Sheehan will be good cover – hopefully Marody is able to force himself on to the lineup.

    Yeah, good cover for the other 9 or so identical players we already have. it’s a ‘meh’ move. Neither good nor bad.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, good cover for the other 9 or so identical players we already have. it’s a ‘meh’ move. Neither good nor bad.

    This.

    Meh indeed 5on5.

    No idea how he has been on the PK.

  35. Durag says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, good cover for the other 9 or so identical players we already have. it’s a ‘meh’ move. Neither good nor bad.

    I’d disagree with that. He’s clearly a better 3C option than a Cave, Brodziak or Khaira, and I feel a lot better penciling Sheahan in there than Haas. It’s more an indictment of our bottom 6 depth chart than praise for Sheahan, but at least he kind of fits the bill as an NHL 3C.

  36. Pouzar says:

    Nice article from Mr. McCurdy back in July on Sheahan.

    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/july-bargain-shopping-might-depth-centre-riley-sheahan-appeal-to-edmonton-oilers

    Of note…this is encouraging.

    “He ranks 15th among the same group in SHTOi/GP (2:13), one of just six forwards in the league with 6+ hours on the penalty kill over the two seasons. Of the 118 players with at least half that amount (180+ minutes), Sheahan ranks 20th with just 5.41 PPGA /60 scored on his watch.
    Listed as a left wing on some sites, Sheahan has settled in at the centre position. Over those same past two years, his 1721 faceoffs taken rank 67th in the league, with a strong 53.4% success rate that ranks him solidly within the top third of the league. Over that span he took 877 d-zone faceoffs compared to just 335 in the offensive end, consistent with a heavy-lifting role.”

  37. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, good cover for the other 9 or so identical players we already have. it’s a ‘meh’ move. Neither good nor bad.

    But none were meh centers with lots of NHL PK experience.

    His meh is unique among the other meh.

    Higher end meh experience.

    Meh-ningful signing.

  38. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JP scores his 2nd.

    I have 13 (I think) in the DM tie-break.

    SLOW DOWN SON!!

    or

    Trade him earlier than November!!!

    https://twitter.com/JokkeNevalainen/status/1169684641600741377

  39. Durag says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I echo those sentimehnts. He’s also a +50% career face off guy.

    Not amehzing, but good.

  40. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0: But none were meh centers with lots of NHL PK experience.

    His meh is unique among the other meh.

    Higher end meh experience.

    Meh-ningful signing.

    Meh for 60 as a stat category please.

    It’s definitely better than GA/60!

  41. RonnieB says:

    Durag,

    According to theScore article, Sheahan is expected to compete for 4th line center, not 3rd. He played primarily 4th line last season.

  42. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Vincent Desharnais (7th rd ’16, AHL contract) with an interview on oilers twitter.

    Seems to know he’s a longshot, has a business management/finance degree from Providence. Super, super charismatic. I will be rooting for him in a crowded pro group in Bakersfield.

  43. Durag says:

    RonnieB:
    Durag,

    According to theScore article, Sheahan is expected to compete for 4th line center, not 3rd. He played primarily 4th line last season.

    Have they seen our center depth chart? I agree that ideally Sheahan plays 4th line, but his biggest competition is a guy with 0 NHL games, so I’m going to give him the nod.

  44. Darth Tu says:

    HT Joe: *fretting intensifies

    As a guitarist, I appreciate the fretting.

    We’re up to Yngwie speeds now.

  45. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    JP scores his 2nd.

    I have 13 (I think) in the DM tie-break.

    SLOW DOWN SON!!

    or

    Trade him earlier than November!!!

    https://twitter.com/JokkeNevalainen/status/1169684641600741377

    I’m pretty sure the tie-breaker is only looking at Liiga regular season goals, no?

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Out of Nygard, Sheahan, Haas, Granlund, Archibald, and Jurco acquired this summer.

    Sheahan does feel like the best bet to contribute in the bottom 6.

    Just need to trade Kassian + Russell for 2 top 6 wingers

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup, $900K for a solid bottom six center works.

    Hopefully Marody will supplant him as 3C at some point in the year and Sheehan can be 4C – maybe not reasonable to assume for October 2 but you never know. Marody is skilled and smart.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another goal for Jesse – he likes playing the French….

  49. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yup, $900K for a solid bottom six center works.

    Hopefully Marody will supplant him as 3C at some point in the year and Sheehan can be 4C – maybe not reasonable to assume for October 2 but you never know.Marody is skilled and smart.

    Sheahan doesn’t bring much offense, I think Marody can make it playing a different role. One thing I like about how they are building the team is with role-based acquisitions. Granny – Sheahan – Archibald as a shutdown line might work.

    No more rolling the lines.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    I can’t remember who it was but, back in July someone showed previous numbers for Sheehan and Jurco together and they were quite sparkling – and the sample size wasn’t overly tiny….

  51. M00se1197 says:

    BONE207,

    NEVER! That is lesson #1.

  52. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Another goal for Jesse – he likes playing the French….

    You had me excited for a moment there. He’s just scored the one so far this game.

  53. dustrock says:

    Re-reading Gibson’s Virtual Light and was reminded of the concept of a “Thomasson”.

    Thought LT and the baseball guys would get a kick out of this, though maybe it’s already well known.

    Thomasson or Hyperart Thomasson (Japanese: Tomason トマソン or Chōgeijutsu Tomason 超芸術トマソン) is a type of conceptual art named by the Japanese artist Akasegawa Genpei in the 1980s. It refers to a useless relic or structure that has been preserved as part of a building or the built environment, which has become a piece of art in itself. These objects, although having the appearance of pieces of conceptual art, were not created to be viewed as such. Akasegawa deemed them even more art-like than art itself, and named them “hyperart.” In recent years there has been a resurgence of interest in Thomasson, especially since the publication of Akasegawa’s work on the subject in English in 2010.[1]

    The term Thomasson comes from the professional baseball player Gary Thomasson, who was signed by the Yomiuri Giants for a record-breaking sum of money, and spent his final two seasons with the team (1981–1982) coming close to setting the league strikeout record before being benched.[2] Akasegawa viewed Thomasson’s useless position on the team as a fitting analogy for “an object, part of a building, that was maintained in good condition, but with no purpose, to the point of becoming a work of art.” [3]

  54. Ribs says:

    Alexandre Volkov was acquired from the Washington Capitals in February 2000. He would rocket to Russia for 2000-01.

    I think this should be Alexandre Volchkov, LT.

  55. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I can’t remember who it was but, back in July someone showed previous numbers for Sheehan and Jurco together and they were quite sparkling – and the sample size wasn’t overly tiny….

    2014/15

    Jurco with Sheahan (200 min)

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20142015&thruseason=20142015&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476430

    CF% 59.39
    GF% 62.50

  56. ArmchairGM says:

    Some guy named Mark Arcobello has 2 assists for SC Bern. Someone should look into that guy.

  57. blainer says:

    I like this signing. It ads even more competition.. If I’m a forward on this team I am working my ass off as i don’t think there is a team in the NHL where there are sooo many open spots..

    I am a lot more confident in the Pk with the add of Sheehan and Archie. You have to at least win the faceoff when on the PK and with Sheehan that just got a lot better. We still need that RT shot faceoff guy for his strong side. Maybe Hass has worked hard and can fill that roll. Gonna be a real competition this year.

    Holland is not making it easy for most of this team both on D and at Forward. For that I will give him credit. This move is making it a little easier to wait for the right deal for JP as well. I am slowly coming around on Holland. Will still wait til puck drop though before I make my prediction for the year !!

  58. texmex says:

    ROBIDAS ISLAND!!

    Jim Matheson
    @NHLbyMatty
    ·
    2m
    The Oilers aren’t expecting Kyle Brodziak to pass his physical because of his ongoing back issues. He hasn’t trained all summer. It’s one of reasons they signed Riley Sheahan as a veteran C.

  59. Ryan says:

    Holy mackerel, another depth player signing!

    We’ve corned the market on depth guys

    Sheehan, Cave, Haas, Nygard, Archi, Granlund, Gagner, Chaser, Jurco, and Kassian.

    NHL, all your 4rth liners are belong to us!

  60. Professor Q says:

    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

  61. Jethro Tull says:

    Darth Tu: Meh for 60 as a stat category please.

    It’s definitely better than GA/60!

    HeDidHisJob/GP?

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Most didn’t expect Brodz on the team but it sounds like he isn’t expected to pass his physical (as per Matheson).

    I’m cool with him not being on the team but I don’t like the fact that he’s likely going on LTIR which is far inferior for the team’s cap management than assigning him to the AHL which would leave the team with a $75K cap hit (he wouldn’t have to report and would still collect his full NHL salary – only Katz would really care as he’d be on the hook for the full, no insurance).

  63. Darth Tu says:

    Jethro Tull: HeDidHisJob/GP?

    Also known as the Colby Cave indicator.

  64. SwedishPoster says:

    BroBerglund’s Skellefteå won against SC Bern in a shootout, caught the last bit of the game, our boys looked ok but didn’t stand out. They did look better than the other two pairings imo but mainly because the other two looked pretty bad. Skellefteå’s veterans overall are really just looking like they are going through the motions. Or for Skellefteå’s sake I hope that’s the case and not them fallling off cliffs. Former Toronto 4th rounder Petter Granberg with 40 something NHL games to his name looked terrible. He returned from NA before last season and imo barely was SHL level during the season, the first preseason game I saw he looked a bit improved but today he was back to tossing the puck away as soon as he’s being pressured. He’s been getting more toi than Berglund so far, both RHD, don’t see how the coach can defend that going forward.

    One of my favorite swedish prospects of the 2018 draft Albin Eriksson(Dallas 2nd rounder) looks like he’s taken a step this year. Kid can score. Could end up a real homerun for the Stars. Was 1+1 and the only one to score in the shootout with a filthy wrister.

  65. SkatinginSand says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    Did you forget “Bold Moves” MacTavish?

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice interview with Benson out there.

    He was out 3X a week with Peltier (i believe) this summer. Lots of work on edge word and cross-overs. Feels he’s improved since the end of the year.

  67. SwedishPoster says:

    Broberg missed his attempt in the SO but it’s a good sign he’s getting the nod.

  68. Reja says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    I agree competition makes you hungry no more playing a winger up and down the line up all season with a whopping Zero goals for the year not going to happen under Holland and Tippett’s watch.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kailer says the wrist is feeling pretty good – doctors said not quite there yet, not cleared, but shouldn’t be too long.

  70. JJS says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    I don’t think people are actually down. They just see the tragedy that is the Oil top 4 wings and pray for more.

    If we had a legitimate top 6, these moves would be universally appreciated

  71. Woogie63 says:

    Yamamoto still rehabbing, Brodziak has not trained all summer, McDavid a maybe for opening day.

    This is a lot of news to fall so close to opening of camp.

    Has Edmonton sports media been asleep all summer?

  72. jtblack says:

    Once in a while after a few too many cocktails, I dive deep in sports you tube. Probert, Tyson, Woods, Gretzky, Lemieux, Jordan and many other Legends over the last few decades. Sometimes I wander back to the 2006 Oilers playoff run. and there it is …. The Pisani Goal.
    Game 5. OT. Short Handed. Pure Snipe. The Bob Cole call is splendid.

    Def Top 5 Fav Oilers Goal!

  73. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Jurco, Sheehan, Chiasson, Archibald and Granlund. All I see is Jerred Smithson.

    Professor Q,

    I am down on most of these moves because the players are not very good. There is more ‘competition’ but inevitably the winner will still be a borderline NHLer at best. For me the only real positive is that it makes it easier to keep prospects in Bakersfield.

  74. McNuge93 says:

    jtblack:
    Once in a while after a few too many cocktails, I dive deep in sports you tube.Probert, Tyson, Woods, Gretzky, Lemieux, Jordan and many other Legends over the last few decades.Sometimes I wander back to the 2006 Oilers playoff run. and there it is …. The Pisani Goal.
    Game 5. OT. Short Handed. Pure Snipe.The Bob Cole call is splendid.

    Def Top 5 Fav Oilers Goal!

    Or how about Hemsky’s goal game 6 against Holland’s Wings.

  75. jtblack says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    +1. Kens hands are tied. He is nibbling around the edges. Thats ok. If Ken can apply true vision and build a Legitimate contender, I can wait 1 more season. But not 2 or 3.

    This will be Connor’s 5th Season! Crazy

  76. jtblack says:

    McNuge93: Or how about Hemsky’s goal game 6 against Holland’s Wings.

    Def up there as well! That run was so Fun . So many great goals. I think Peca was theforgotten man on that team. He was unreal that spring.

    Gretzky shorthanded in OT in ’88. Epic.

    Messier Game 3 against the Islanders. Sick.

  77. Dr. Taboggan says:

    jtblack,

    Ken had other options. He choose to take an extremely conservative approach to the offseason.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov says he met with the doctor today and his knee is 100%.

    That’s great – he didn’t skate at the development camp I don’t think.

  79. hunter1909 says:

    IT’S BACK!!!!!!!!! FOR ANOTHER EXCITING, INCREDIBLE SEASON

    Hunter1909’s Official 2019-20 Death March™

    Entries welcome between now and the first puck drop of the 2019-20 season(October 2)

    Here’s how you play: Guess how many points the Oilers get in the regular season.

    That’s it!

    Tie break: How many goals does JP score for his new Finnish team?

  80. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Kailer says the wrist is feeling pretty good – doctors said not quite there yet, not cleared, but shouldn’t be too long.

    Damn, what kind of surgery did he get? Wasn’t that early May he had that done? Complications?

  81. jtblack says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    jtblack,

    Ken had other options. He choose to take an extremely conservative approach to the offseason.

    true thousands of options I honeslty think he wants to see these players live for half a season or more and then maybe head down the trade route.

  82. jtblack says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    jtblack,

    Ken had other options. He choose to take an extremely conservative approach to the offseason.

    I’ve written the season off already. Its easier on my mental health 😎

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Most didn’t expect Brodz on the team but it sounds like he isn’t expected to pass his physical (as per Matheson).

    I’m cool with him not being on the team but I don’t like the fact that he’s likely going on LTIR which is far inferior for the team’s cap management than assigning him to the AHL which would leave the team with a $75K cap hit (he wouldn’t have to report and would still collect his full NHL salary – only Katz would really care as he’d be on the hook for the full, no insurance).

    If he doesn’t pass his physical (he hasn’t worked out all summer long) can’t they just terminate the contract? I’ve heard of it happening in other cases, just not sure under what circumstances it can be done.

  84. defmn says:

    Scott Ferguson holds a special place for me in my memory.

    Every time the puck came to him in the offensive zone I would proclaim in my best Rod Phillips radio voice “And Ferguson puts it into the corner”.

    At first this amused or annoyed those sitting around me in the stands but by about the fifth game it became a chant in our section because he never – and I do mean never – did anything else with the puck in that situation but slide it down the boards into the corner whether there was another Oiler there or not.

    Never. Not one time.

    Those were dark days for a season ticket holder.

  85. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909:
    IT’S BACK!!!!!!!!! FOR ANOTHER EXCITING, INCREDIBLE SEASON

    Hunter1909’s Official 2019-20 Death March™

    Entries welcome between now and the first puck drop of the 2019-20 season(October 2)

    Here’s how you play: Guess how many points the Oilers get in the regular season.

    That’s it!

    Tie break: How many goals does JP score for his new Finnish team?

    Are you including Champions league goals or just Liiga regular season goals?

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov has been in Edmonton getting ready. That’s awesome.

    Great interview – very personable given ESL. Had the guys cracking up a few times.

    Love this kid.

    Big season in the Bake coming up!

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    Sadly, the Sheahan signing is one of my favourite of the summer. He’s a meh player, but he fills a PK and face off role the team desperately needs. So…we’ve got that going for us. WooHoo!!! I’ll add that I like the Nygaard signing just as much.

  88. Bos8 says:

    defmn:
    Scott Ferguson holds a special place for me in my memory.

    Every time the puck came to him in the offensive zone I would proclaim in my best Rod Phillips radio voice “And Ferguson puts it into the corner”.

    At first this amused or annoyed those sitting around me in the stands but by about the fifth game it became a chant in our section because he never – and I do mean never – did anything else with the puck in that situation but slide it down the boards into the corner whether there was another Oiler there or not.

    Never. Not one time.

    Those were dark days for a season ticket holder.

    Not as bad as Hunter. All by his lonesome and our section would chant “Freeze the puck Hunter”. He ‘d skate to the nearest boards and freeze the puck.

    Or our friend Hughes – He’d either score five or stand at Center Ice and play “Whack a Mac, Chop, chop on anyone that came by.

    Character an a little nuts.

  89. defmn says:

    Hard to know exactly what the Oilers have left on their cap because it isn’t clear which of the many alternatives are going to make the team but it looks to me like there is still about $1.5 – $1.7 mil available without involving a trade of any sort.

    48 of fifty spots gone although I am not sure if Brodziak counts if he goes on LTIR.

  90. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    I am in general agreement with you, although love is maybe a little bit stronger a word then I would choose.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: Are you including Champions league goals or just Liiga regular season goals?

    Reg season. It’s like the NHL. Reg season only, just like the playoff-less Oilers.

    1 – if there’s a huge outcry we might be able to consider other sources of goals but hopefully not.

    2 – Kind of fun that Death March™ players are obsessing over the tie break far more that the moribund regular season predictions.

  92. GMB3 says:

    Does Sheahan fit MacT’s “need to be a threat to actually score” quote?

    Probably not. Elite 4C though or something I guess

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Watching all the interviews with the kids today was just awesome. In particular guys coming to their first camp – so excited, blown away by being around the NHL guys.

    Just love it.

    Gotta get ya excited to get going and for hockey season.

  94. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The team that won the cup has a roster full of meh, with 2 really good D and one dangerous forward.

    But the meh down the roster could all play to a reasonable extent.

    The Oilers bottom 10 killed the team last year. Holland has added speed and more skill, and players that can help the PK which was horrible.

    He can’t just pull players out of his ass. Other GMs and free agents have to participate in it.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Lots of rumors about Winnipeg shopping Laine. Any interest?

    Not really – sure, in isolation, I’d like the player but I think both the acquisition cost and the required cap hit will over-value his true worth. The man can score goals, little doubt about that but he’s like the “Risto of forwards” – that “away from the puck” game is really poor, not a great skater, etc.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    chrisco:
    Apropos of nothing, if Persson looks shaky defensively but can skate and handle the puck could he play right wing on a skill line? Say Marleau signed, we could even run the big three split.

    Marleau Mcdavid Kassian
    Granlund Draisaitl Neal
    Benson Nuge Persson

    Or some variation? It still looks thin to me but you never know.

    It happens but very rarely does a player transition from forward to D or D to foward and I’m essentially never on board with that type of suggestion.

  97. Side says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    But it’s so much easier to pretend like us Lowetidians are better GMs than the GMs employed in the league. We know for a fact that ever trade is a possibility and every free agent has no biases about where they want to sign!

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:
    “I’ll talk to Tip (Dave Tippett) and we’ll go through the specifics of it when we get to camp, but of course I want to be in the top six. ”

    VS:

    “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal,”

    – One of these two is not the same…

    Its been confirmed that the google translation of the Finish quote is incorrect and provides a misleading translation.

    I think Jesse is making a mistake but, from accounts (from Finish speak professionals), this is simply not correct.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    //By my count Ilya Konovalov was the first Oilers prospect to play in a regular season league game, and the results were disappointing. He allowed five goals while stopping 30 in a loss, his SP is .857 to start the season. Lokomotiv plays again tomorrow.//

    MacT and Russian hockey players….same as it ever was…oil and water.

    Igor Ulanov disagrees.

  100. Bling says:

    I like the Sheehan move.

    Makes the PK better and his offense from last season is fine for a 4C.

    There are quite a few depth guys, but with Connor maybe not ready to go for the season opener it’s great to have some coverage for once.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    WedgeAntilles:
    I still don’t know what happened with Jani Rita.He was a really solid player when I was covering the Bulldogs, but he just couldn’t put it together at the NHL level.

    Sarno was fun to watch, but frustrating.Like clockwork, he’d carry the puck in, then curl back to the top of the circles.Every damn time.

    Rita ended up playing over 10 seasons with Jokerit.

    32G and 52P in his first season – never came close to those numbers again but a solid career.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nit:
    Fehr is going to pull the pin, but 12 months til anything goes boom.

    “We’re in a bargaining situation in which there is what you might call a soft deadline. Nothing happens on the 16th of September, if there’s a reopening made or something like that”

    From all accounts that I’ve read, high level negotiations are going well.

    Indications are the two sides might agree to an extension of the Sept 15 deadline until January on the home that an extension of the current deal with some amended terms can be finalized.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    Also, is that Sebastian Bisaillon, former Oilers prospect?

    Led Grenoble in D-scoring last season.

  104. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Igor Ulanov disagrees.

    Ulanov was an established NHL player for several seasons when the OIlers got him. The cultural divide had already been crossed by the player thanks to others.

  105. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    Re-reading Gibson’s Virtual Light and was reminded of the concept of a “Thomasson”.

    Thought LT and the baseball guys would get a kick out of this, though maybe it’s already well known.

    Thomasson or Hyperart Thomasson (Japanese: Tomason トマソン or Chōgeijutsu Tomason 超芸術トマソン) is a type of conceptual art named by the Japanese artist Akasegawa Genpei in the 1980s. It refers to a useless relic or structure that has been preserved as part of a building or the built environment, which has become a piece of art in itself. These objects, although having the appearance of pieces of conceptual art, were not created to be viewed as such. Akasegawa deemed them even more art-like than art itself, and named them “hyperart.” In recent years there has been a resurgence of interest in Thomasson, especially since the publication of Akasegawa’s work on the subject in English in 2010.[1]

    The term Thomasson comes from the professional baseball player Gary Thomasson, who was signed by the Yomiuri Giants for a record-breaking sum of money, and spent his final two seasons with the team (1981–1982) coming close to setting the league strikeout record before being benched.[2] Akasegawa viewed Thomasson’s useless position on the team as a fitting analogy for “an object, part of a building, that was maintained in good condition, but with no purpose, to the point of becoming a work of art.” [3]

    Awesome. I remember Thomasson, he was an inefficient player.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Vincent Desharnais (7th rd ’16, AHL contract) with an interview on oilers twitter.

    Seems to know he’s a longshot, has a business management/finance degree from Providence. Super, super charismatic. I will be rooting for him in a crowded pro group in Bakersfield.

    He’s on an AHL deal so he’s really a “no-shot”.

    His goal will be to work his way in to the lineup and earn an NHL contract for next year – Logan Day style.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Sheahan doesn’t bring much offense, I think Marody can make it playing a different role. One thing I like about how they are building the team is with role-based acquisitions. Granny – Sheahan – Archibald as a shutdown line might work.

    No more rolling the lines.

    He doesn’t have much offence but he does have a 36 point season on his resume and is only one season removed from 32 points.

    Tippett speaks of Granlund/Archibald as a duo so, yes, I anticipate that is the 3rd line.

    Gagner, Khaira, Chiasson, Nygard, Haas, Marody battling it out for 4th line with one needed in the top 6 (if Benson doesn’t make it as 2LW):

    Drai/McDavid/Kass
    Benson/Nuge/Neal
    Granlund/Sheahan/Archibald
    Khaira/Marody/Gagner

    Haas/Nygard

    Doesn’t look too bad to me – of course, depending on how Benson and Marody are.

    Marody on the “4th line” isn’t optimal but that’s a skilled 4th line. May be too slow though.

    Two speedsters to plug and play as well.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar

    Thanks.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie:
    Yamamoto still rehabbing, Brodziak has not trained all summer, McDavid a maybe for opening day.

    This is a lot of news to fall so close to opening of camp.

    Has Edmonton sports media been asleep all summer?

    Kurt Leavins has been all over the Brodziak issue for months – saying to expect LTIR.

    Its a bad result.

    AHL is a MUCH better result (even without actual reporting).

    Also, not a soul connected to McDavid or the team have indicated McDavid won’t be ready for opening night (that I’ve heard at least)

    Schedule was always 6 months, right up and till camp and the season and, all accounts advise no setbacks and on schedule.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    DrTaboggan:
    Jurco, Sheehan, Chiasson, Archibald and Granlund. All I see is Jerred Smithson.

    Professor Q,

    I am down on most of these moves because the players are not very good. There is more ‘competition’ but inevitably the winner will still be a borderline NHLer at best. For me the only real positive is that it makes it easier to keep prospects in Bakersfield.

    I see one border line NHL player in that group, Jurco.

    The others are legit NHL players.

    Yes, some may play a line (or two) up the lineup but they are legit NHL player and some will be pushed by young skilled prospects.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    DrTaboggan:
    jtblack,

    Ken had other options. He choose to take an extremely conservative approach to the offseason.

    This is not really debatable.

    To me, it was the “right approach” in order to propagate the stated ultimate goal of building a legit contender within a few years.

    Of course, there were uncountable moves that he could have made in order to improve the current roster but the GM has a view to the medium term first and foremost.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: If he doesn’t pass his physical (he hasn’t worked out all summer long) can’t they just terminate the contract? I’ve heard of it happening in other cases, just not sure under what circumstances it can be done.

    No, not if its due to injury.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    Hard to know exactly what the Oilers have left on their cap because it isn’t clear which of the many alternatives are going to make the team but it looks to me like there is still about $1.5 – $1.7 mil available without involving a trade of any sort.

    48 of fifty spots gone although I am not sure if Brodziak counts if he goes on LTIR.

    He will count on the 50.

    He will count on the cap.

    His LTIR placement will give the team a cushion (amount TBD) to go over the upper cap limit.

    If they are using that cushion, in-season moves are severely restricted – even the ability to bring a player up from the AHL if a player is on regular IR for 10 days or so.

  114. Georgexs says:

    From last season, here are the min, median, and max points scored by forwards in the bottom half of each team’s roster:

    Forward rank on team by Points, Min. Points, Median Points, Max. Points

    7, 18, 30, 51
    8, 11, 25, 39
    9, 11, 23, 34
    10, 11, 18, 27
    11, 10, 15, 26
    12, 8, 12, 20

    A typical 8th forward, who would be a typical 3rd line player, scored 25 points.

    Here are the points totals from last season for players who are likely going to be playing (at least some) bottom 6 minutes:

    Chiasson, 38
    Kassian, 26
    Archibald, 22
    Granlund, 22
    Sheahan, 19
    Khaira, 18
    Gagner, 13
    Cave, 8
    Currie, 5
    Gambardella, 3
    Marody, 0

    Half empty? Or half full?

  115. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: He will count on the 50.

    He will count on the cap.

    His LTIR placement will give the team a cushion (amount TBD) to go over the upper cap limit.

    If they are using that cushion, in-season moves are severely restricted – even the ability to bring a player up from the AHL if a player is on regular IR for 10 days or so.

    Doesn’t the team need to be right up against the cap to use the cushion though? As things are now he’d just push the team closer to the limit but not over. Am I missing something? I hope so.

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Side:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    But it’s so much easier to pretend like us Lowetidians are better GMs than the GMs employed in the league. We know for a fact that ever trade is a possibility and every free agent has no biases about where they want to sign!

    Manning Russel Koskinen a third and JP for Laine and Connor!!

  117. v4ance says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Manning Russel Koskinen a third and JP for Laine and Connor!!

    Unless Holland has photographic proof of Chevaldayoff with 3 underage Russian ladies in a hotel room urinating on a bed that the former president slept in, I don’t think that deal will happen. Even then, that would be an instant firing offence for Chevaldayoff.

    Kind of like the Koskinen deal for Chiarelli…

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance: Unless Holland has photographic proof of Chevaldayoff with 3 underage Russian ladies in a hotel room urinating on a bed that the former president slept in, I don’t think that deal will happen.Even then, that would be an instant firing offence for Chevaldayoff.

    Kind of like the Koskinen dealfor Chiarelli…

    Why didn’t I think of that?

  119. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: From all accounts that I’ve read, high level negotiations are going well.

    Indications are the two sides might agree to an extension of the Sept 15 deadline until January on the home that an extension of the current deal with some amended terms can be finalized.

    That’s another option. But works out to the same. No deal. No extension.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB:
    Does Sheahan fit MacT’s “need to be a threat to actually score” quote?

    Probably not. Elite 4C though or something I guess

    Maybe, maybe not.

    A 36 point season on his resume.

    One season removed from 32.

    I hope he holds the 3C warm for Coop who earns it as early as possibe.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:
    I like the Sheehan move.

    Makes the PK better and his offense from last season is fine for a 4C.

    There are quite a few depth guys, but with Connor maybe not ready to go for the season opener it’s great to have some coverage for once.

    He may not be ready for the season but there is no actual indication of that at this point.

    All verbal from anyone connected to McDavid or the organization is the opposite – right on schedule with no set backs.

    It could be lip service but I believe he’ll be in the lineup October 2, 100% – hopefully with most of a training camp (and just a couple exhibition games).

  122. Harpers Hair says:

    Georgexs:
    From last season, here are the min, median, and max points scored by forwards in the bottom half of each team’s roster:

    Forward rank on team by Points, Min. Points, Median Points, Max. Points

    7, 18, 30, 51
    8, 11, 25, 39
    9, 11, 23, 34
    10, 11, 18, 27
    11, 10, 15, 26
    12, 8, 12, 20

    A typical 8th forward, who would be a typical 3rd line player, scored 25 points.

    Here are the points totals from last season for players who are likely going to be playing (at least some) bottom 6 minutes:

    Chiasson, 38
    Kassian, 26
    Archibald, 22
    Granlund, 22
    Sheahan, 19
    Khaira, 18
    Gagner, 13
    Cave, 8
    Currie, 5
    Gambardella, 3
    Marody, 0

    Half empty? Or half full?

    Remove Chiasson and Kassian who were zoomed by McDavid and you get a more accurate picture.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Doesn’t the team need to be right up against the cap to use the cushion though? As things are now he’d just push the team closer to the limit but not over. Am I missing something? I hope so.

    Yup, the LTIR only provides the ability to go over the cap if the team would be over the cap at the time the player is placed on LTIR.

    Brodz and LTIR is a terrible option – its just going to take away $1.15M of cap space essentially

  124. oilersfan says:

    OP

    Can the oilers assign Brodziak to the ahl for him to
    Be injured there (even if he doesn’t actually go there) . They pay him to be injured in the ahl and have his salary not count against the cap?

  125. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Kurt Leavins has been all over the Brodziak issue for months – saying to expect LTIR.

    Its a bad result.

    AHL is a MUCH better result (even without actual reporting).

    Also, not a soul connected to McDavid or the team have indicated McDavid won’t be ready for opening night (that I’ve heard at least)

    Schedule was always 6 months, right up and till camp and the season and, all accounts advise no setbacks and on schedule.

    What was McDavids actual injury? ACL, MCL, KNEE CAP? did we ecer find out

  126. healthyscratch says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Manning Russel Koskinen a third and JP for Laine and Connor!!

    You forgot Omark!

  127. Dr. Taboggan says:

    jtblack,

    Partially torn PCL I believe.

  128. Professor Q says:

    jtblack: What was McDavids actual injury?ACL, MCL, KNEE CAP?did we ecer find out

    PCL injury.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mcdavid-pcl-rehab-going-well-focused-training-camp-return/

  129. pts2pndr says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    A few in are community would complain if they were hung with a new rope.

  130. Lowetide says:

    pts2pndr: A few in are community would complain if they were hung with a new rope.

    The Neal trade changed a lot of minds.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    OP

    Can the oilers assign Brodziak to the ahl for him to
    Be injured there (even if he doesn’t actually go there) . They pay him to be injured in the ahl and have his salary not count against the cap?

    This is a MUCH better option and it was a cited as better in my original post.

    I think, technically, an injured player cannot be assigned to the AHL although I’m sure they could pass it through the league.

    All but $75K is off the cap and the roster spot opens up (as it would with LTIR), the player gets his full salary, no difference there. Only difference is Katz has to continue to pay the full salary as opposed to insurance coverage.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: What was McDavids actual injury?ACL, MCL, KNEE CAP?did we ecer find out

    PCL, we’ve known this for months.

  133. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Remove Chiasson and Kassianwho were zoomed by McDavid and you get a more accurate picture.

    Both were 23-24 point per season players before last season.

  134. Jethro Tull says:

    pts2pndr: A few in are community would complain if they were hung with a new rope.

    We have a lot to complain about.

    I don’t post about “kool-aid drinkers” as whilst I don’t agree with their over-rosy confidence despite all the evidence, I still count them as fellow Oilers fans.

  135. Rebillled says:

    Adios Broads.

    We traded you when we needed you(who were those draft picks?) and you know the rest.

    See you broads later.

  136. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull: Yeah, good cover for the other 9 or so identical players we already have. it’s a ‘meh’ move. Neither good nor bad.

    We can call the team…The Ed-meh-ton Oilers.

    A team who forgets the past, lives for today & tomorrow is far away.
    It’s a team who collects participation ribbons for all involved.
    The guys carrying the shovels & buckets after the elephants leave.
    The black hole that sucks the light out of you.

    Don’t blame me…I’ve been conditioned this way. I used to be an optimist.
    Ahhh, they’ll probably make the playoffs in spite of it all.🤪

  137. Munny says:

    oilersfan: Can the oilers assign Brodziak to the ahl for him to
    Be injured there (even if he doesn’t actually go there) . They pay him to be injured in the ahl and have his salary not count against the cap?

    If he doesn’t pass the physical, he cannot be assigned to the A.

    He’s going to count against the cap, and since it appears the Org has known, or at least suspected this outcome for quite some time, it likely affected Holland’s pursuit of UFAs this summer.

    He could technically retire, but why would he give up free money?

  138. Ryan says:

    jp: Both were 23-24 point per season players before last season.

    Kassian had 0.1 ppg in first 41 games last season playing without Connor. (4 points in 38 games.)

    He had 0.54 ppg after.

  139. Jethro Tull says:

    BONE207: We can call the team…The Ed-meh-ton Oilers.

    A team who forgets the past, lives for today & tomorrow is far away.
    It’s a team who collects participation ribbons for all involved.
    The guys carrying the shovels & buckets after the elephants leave.
    The black hole that sucks the light out of you.

    Don’t blame me…I’ve been conditioned this way. I used to be an optimist.
    Ahhh, they’ll probably make the playoffs in spite of it all.

    😆

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    healthyscratch: You forgot Omark!

    Ughhh. I’ll remember the Linus next time.

  141. Munny says:

    C’MON BIANCA!!

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is a MUCH better option and it was a cited as better in my original post.

    I think, technically, an injured player cannot be assigned to the AHL although I’m sure they could pass it through the league.

    All but $75K is off the cap and the roster spot opens up (as it would with LTIR), the player gets his full salary, no difference there.Only difference is Katz has to continue to pay the full salary as opposed to insurance coverage.

    We are lucky in that Katz spends on the NHL roster.

    It’s not a given.

    Not sure about the other non public costs from reports about him cutting.

  143. Munny says:

    Unbelievable.

  144. YKOil says:

    For me, with this latest signing, the first time I have been PLEASED with an Oilers off-season in a long, long time.

    I could quibble over the Chiasson contract (though I was advocating more term for less money) and I could quibble over the 1 year contracts (I would have signed a few of those guys for 2 year contracts at those $ terms, if possible) but those are little things.

    A decent off-season imo. I am happy with it. We were due.

  145. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, the LTIR only provides the ability to go over the cap if the team would be over the cap at the time the player is placed on LTIR.

    Brodz and LTIR is a terrible option – its just going to take away $1.15M of cap space essentially

    Seems crazy but I wonder if we see Holland add a $3M-$3.5M player before the season starts.

    The cap relief for Brodziak (up to $1.15M) is pretty similar to the space available if the team carried 23 players + Brodziak on IR ($1.28M with the lineup below).

    Whether it’s a Marleau and/or Thornton signing as UFA, or a Puljujarvi trade for a more expensive return… It makes some kind of sense if there’s a signing/trade out there that could help the team.

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Gagner
    Granlund-Sheahan-Archibald
    Khaira-Haas-Chiasson
    Nygard-Jurco (Brodziak)

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Russell-Persson
    Manning

  146. Jethro Tull says:

    Any reason Ken didn’t offer She-Ra a PTO?

  147. Munny says:

    YKOil,

    I’m pretty happy with it too. I’m a little less happy that the way the media is reporting, it was only going to happen if Brodz was done.

    ______

    But right now I’m happiest with Andreescu, who now has to be the Canadian Sports Story of 2019.

  148. jp says:

    Ryan: Kassian had 0.1 ppg in first 41 games last season playing without Connor. (4 points in 38 games.)

    He had 0.54 ppg after.

    So… we should move him to the top of the list?

  149. rickithebear says:

    List of Championship #1 centers for Oilers.
    Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Shawn Horcoff.

    Google twitter heading mentioned Sheahan signing.

    When I was identifying the ufa players I wanted pre free agency.
    I made a list of players based on Evg production, evg/60, SH/gm, even SH%.
    Presented that list here 2 months ago.

    We got 38 evg from 7.2 bottom forwards; (590gm) from 18 fwds.

    We lacked top 120 PKGA/60 forwards.

    I wanted 1 @2.5M, that showed 1st line evg history or potential
    My choices:
    Hartman avg 79gm; 11.67 evg; 1.78 sh/gm; 8.516 evsh%, EW projection 2@ 2.507, MIN 2@ 1.9M
    Granlund avg 78gm; 10.333 evg; 1.13 sh/gm; 10.227 evsh%, EW 2@ 2.513, EDM 1@ 1.3M; 1 way

    We needed to Add PKGA/60 forward depth from UFA/our RFA
    Archibald 4.67; 68gm 10.333 evg; 1.12 sh/gm; 11.667 evsh%, EW 3@ 1.97, EDM 1@ 1.0M; 1 way
    Accari 5.11; 66gm; 7 evg; 1.17 sh/gm; 9.091 evsh%; EW 2@ 1.16, FLD 3@ 1.667M
    Khaira 5.93;
    Sheahan 6.53; 78gm 9.183 evg; 1.38 sh/gm; 9.35 evsh%; EW 2@ 1.299; EDM 1@ .900M; 1 way
    Fillpulla 7.01; 78gm 8.333 evg; 1.25 sh/gm; 11.718 evsh%; EW 1@ 1.536; DET 2@ 3.0M

    My choices based on even production vs PK rank.
    Archibald
    Sheahan.

    Magnus Pujarvi was a fit but never thought org would bring him back.

    Good chance that the 3 may be our 3 rd line!
    Yes!!!!
    But just good GM common sense.
    Get best PK winger available
    Get best PK center Available,

    Last yr: C median changed from last 3 yr avg.
    #1 – 31 C 1468 ev min – 1221 ev min; 1314 ev min median
    #32 – #62 C 1220 evmin – 1085 ev min ; 1143 ev min median
    #63 – #93 C 1085 ev min – 994 ev min; 1045 ev min median

    Mcdavid 1465 ev min; FO 46.82%; Off FO ZS 62.47%
    RNH 1265 ev min; FO 46.19%; Off FO ZS 47.78%
    Sheahan 931 ev min; FO 52.47%; Off FO ZS 33.98%;
    Brodziak 692 ev min; FO 53.38%; Off FO ZS 31.75%
    Cave 577 ev min; FO 50.70%; Off FO ZS 43.45%; 2 way 100k
    Gambardella 121 ev min 3 Evp (1.48 Evp/60); Off FO ZS 30.00%, 2 way 125 K
    Maroody 44:55 ev min; 0 evg, 0 Evp, FO 36.0%; Off FO ZS 73.68%, 2 way 70K
    Haas DZ, zone change driver 2 way 70K

    1 – #31 LW 1280 ev min – 1017 ev min; 1100 ev min median
    32 – #62 LW1012 ev min – 862 ev min; 940 ev min median
    63 – #93 LW 861 ev min – 703 ev min; 780 ev min median

    1 – #31 RW 1415 ev min – 1009 ev min; 1111 ev min median
    32 – #62 RW 1007 ev min – 806 ev min; 937 ev min median
    63 – #93 RW 805 ev min – 490 ev min; 687 ev min median

    Drai LW/ RW 888 ev min w/ Mcd last year; FO 51.19%; Off FO ZS 53.92%
    Neal LW 1040 ev min avg in 16/17 – 17/18
    Kassian RW 1063 ev min last yr. Off FO ZS 53.68%
    Chaisson RW 1003 ev min last yr; Off FO ZS 49.74%
    Granlund LW/ RW 854 ev min last yr; Off FO ZS 50.00%
    Archibald RW 808 ev min last yr; OFf FO ZS 45.98%
    Khaira LW 661 ev min last yr; Off FO ZS 46.22%
    Gagner RW EDM 317 ev min last yr; FO 50.00%; Off FO ZS 44.00%; 936 evmin 2 yrs before that;
    Jurco LW 17-18 354 ev min; #20 LW 1.02 evg/60; Off FO ZS 39.02%, 1 way 750K
    Nygard #2 goal scorer SHL, 22G NHLE, 2 way 70K
    Currie RW 181 ev min 2 evg (.66 evg/60) 5 Evp (1.65 Evp/60); Off FO ZS 37.74%, 2 way 160K

    Mgmt re Khaira he is ready to make a jump.

    The holy f******** guys!
    350+ ev min Fwds
    Sheahan C 18-19 931 ev min; 9 evg; FO 52.47%; Off FO ZS 33.98%; #395 of 411 ( bottom 20)
    Jurco LW 17-18 354 ev min; 6 evg; #20 LW 1.02 evg/60; Off FO ZS 39.02%; #367 of 402 ( bottom 40)
    Archibald RW 18-19 808 ev min #51 RW 12 evg last yr; OFf FO ZS 45.98%; #323 of 411 ( bottom 90)

    120+ ev min fwds 489 in 18-19
    Gambardella 121 ev min 3 Evp (1.48 Evp/60); Off FO ZS 30.00% #475 of 489 ( bottom 15)
    Currie RW 181 ev min 2 evg (.66 evg/60) 5 Evp (1.65 Evp/60); Off FO ZS 37.74% #447 of 489 (bot45)

    You would have to be bat shit crazy not to start the yr with the PK guys on your roster.
    Sheahan
    Archibald
    But
    Jurco a top 20 LW production with bottom 40 OFF FO ZS for 750K. 1 way 750K minor.
    Should be as well.

    Gambardella 2 way 125K minor
    Gambardella 18 evg 28 EVp NHLe
    Currie 2 way 160K minor
    Currie 15 evg 22 Evp NHLe
    Are your first injury call ups.

    The other AHL prospects need serious +ve Off FO ZS push based on AHL/ NHL performance.
    You do not want to waste Off FO ZS on non elite rookies.

    Last yr in AHL their 82 gm NHLe.
    Maroody 9 evg 28 Evp
    Benson 7 evg 22 Evp

  150. geowal says:

    Andreescu definitely fun to watch. Too bad I’ll miss the final.

  151. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Unbelievable.

    What is?

  152. rickithebear says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Any reason Ken didn’t offer She-Ra a PTO?

    Our shit Pkga/60 from everyone not named Khaira!

  153. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Any reason Ken didn’t offer She-Ra a PTO?

    Other offers?

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    JethroTull:
    Any reason Ken didn’t offer She-Ra a PTO?

    Any reason to think he didn’t?

    Perhaps he had a few small contract offers.

    Perhaps he was not willing to come to Edmonton on a PTO.

    This is a shining example of assuming a different transaction could have been consummated to deride what the GM did (or didn’t) do with any idea some transaction was possible.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not to mention, a PTO doesn’t stop a player from signing with any other team so, if they wanted the player under contract, this provides certainty and the only risk is a contract on the 50 – zero risk to the cap.

  156. YKOil says:

    Munny:
    YKOil,
    But right now I’m happiest with Andreescu, who now has to be the Canadian Sports Story of 2019.

    Agreed. Fantastic stuff.

  157. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: The Neal trade changed a lot of minds.

    Yes, yes it did.

  158. jp says:

    RonnieB:
    Durag,

    According to theScore article, Sheahan is expected to compete for 4th line center, not 3rd. He played primarily 4th line last season.

    I didn’t read the article, but I assume the author isn’t familiar with the Oilers roster.

    In any case, Sheahan has played 3rd line (by total TOI and TOI vs elites) for essentially his whole career before his 33 games with Florida last year. He’s also gotten tough zone starts in recent years.

    As far as I can tell he’s very likely an improvement on whoever was going to play 3C for the Oilers. And if Sheahan does end up as 4C it probably a pleasant surprise has occurred.

  159. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: What is?

    Coming back from 5-2 down to win the US Open Semis in straight sets and become only the 4th woman to make it to a US Open Final in her first try. Last one was Venus 1997.

    Brilliant returns, maybe the best drop shot in the game, and a gutsy comeback mentality.

  160. Georgexs says:

    Harpers Hair: Remove Chiasson and Kassianwho were zoomed by McDavid and you get a more accurate picture.

    If you remove Kassian and Chiasson from the bottom 6, they’ll play in the top 6. One of them (Kassian) will play with CMD and Drai (if Tippett decides to stick with that) and will score at a top 6 rate. The other (Chiasson) will play with RNH and Neal and get PP1 time. He’ll have a reasonable chance to get in the neighborhood of top 6 scoring because of usage.

    I think it’s more likely Chiasson plays down in the lineup and gets PP1 time. (Thinking Tippett will feel he’ll need some speed to play with RNH and Neal.) Chiasson would be even more likely to hit 7F or 8F numbers in that scenario (because of PP1 time).

    As for the rest, maybe you think teams have a lot more scoring than they actually do.

    It’s good to test your assumptions.

  161. BONE207 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: What is?

    Ricki’s post above. That’s 30 minutes you’d never get back.
    Also, what championship did Horcoff win?

  162. Lowetide says:

    BONE207: Ricki’s post above. That’s 30 minutes you’d never get back.
    Also, what championship did Horcoff win?

    1998 NCAA, 2002 and 2003 Gold at WHC’s.

  163. Ryan says:

    jp: So… we should move him to the top of the list?

    ?

    Just pointing out that Kassian struggled horribly last season to produce playing in the bottom six.

    Hopefully with all the depth options that we have, we can create a third line that can contribute offensively.

    I joke about all of our potential fourth liners, but I don’t mind having the depth and the Sheahan signing is a good bet.

  164. godot10 says:

    If the Oilers do not sign another salary cap significant player before day 1, Manning will be on the roster for a few hours on Day 1 to get the Oilers as close to the cap as possible to maximize Brodziak’s available LTIR.

  165. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny: Coming back from 5-2 down to win the US Open Semis in straight sets and become only the 4th woman to make it to a US Open Final in her first try.Last one was Serena 1997.

    Brilliant returns, maybe the best drop shot in the game, and a gutsy comeback mentality.

    She’s a corker!

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Youse systems guys can verify, but it seems the Oilers have been opposite George on team systems. The results have been bad.

    So what if a coach does what’s easier to understand and enact, and tailors it to the roster?

    I say all boats float.

  167. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Kirk out, OP you’ve got the bridge.

  168. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Kurt Leavins has been all over the Brodziak issue for months – saying to expect LTIR.

    Its a bad result.

    AHL is a MUCH better result (even without actual reporting).

    Also, not a soul connected to McDavid or the team have indicated McDavid won’t be ready for opening night (that I’ve heard at least)

    Schedule was always 6 months, right up and till camp and the season and, all accounts advise no setbacks and on schedule.

    Kurt Leavins lives on Penner Island and is senior executive for the Jim Pattison Group, and he is scooping the local media guys.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    If the Oilers do not sign another salary cap significant player before day 1, Manning will be on the roster for a few hours on Day 1 to get the Oilers as close to the cap as possible to maximize Brodziak’s available LTIR.

    Not possible.

    They currently have a 24 man roster on Capfriendly, including Manning, and over $1.5M of room.

    They have to get rid of one player, even if its Cave, they have $2.2M of room.

    They cant make any moves that get them within $1.15M of the cap with currently signed players.

  170. Munny says:

    godot10:
    If the Oilers do not sign another salary cap significant player before day 1, Manning will be on the roster for a few hours on Day 1 to get the Oilers as close to the cap as possible to maximize Brodziak’s available LTIR.

    Pretty sure they’ll go with Yamamoto over Manning.

  171. Munny says:

    Woogie63: Kurt Leavins lives on Penner Island and is senior executive for the Jim Pattison Group, and he is scooping the local media guys.

    He called Sheahan a week ago.

  172. Victoria Oil says:

    Munny:
    YKOil,

    I’m pretty happy with it too.I’m a little less happy that the way the media is reporting, it was only going to happen if Brodz was done.

    ______

    But right now I’m happiest with Andreescu, who now has to be the Canadian Sports Story of 2019.

    If Bianca wins, then it is the Cdn sports story of the year (I don’t care about the Raptors because basketball is boring and the team is full of Americans), but if she doesn’t win, I’d say Brooke Henderson is the story of the year in Canadian sports – more wins than any other Canadian PGA or LPGA player.

  173. Victoria Oil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Not to mention, a PTO doesn’t stop a player from signing with any other team so, if they wanted the player under contract, this provides certainty and the only risk is a contract on the 50 – zero risk to the cap.

    See ‘Versteeg, Kris’

  174. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I can’t remember who it was but, back in July someone showed previous numbers for Sheehan and Jurco together and they were quite sparkling – and the sample size wasn’t overly tiny….

    Pouzar: 2014/15

    Jurco with Sheahan (200 min)

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20142015&thruseason=20142015&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476430

    CF% 59.39
    GF% 62.50

    That was me I think.

    They played together for 537 minutes from 2013-14 to 2015-16 with numbers approaching what Pouzar posted (CF% and GF% were both 57.5).

    Also, in those 537 minutes together Sheahan scored at 2.12P/60, Jurco at 1.56P/60 (the two were 1.50 and 1.38 overall).

    One caveat I noticed tonight is that they got favourable zone starts (62% OZ, though the Wings were good and most of the team was over 55%). Pretty impressive regardless.

    Most aren’t penciling Jurco into the lineup but you never know. Those numbers above sure would be a welcome addition.

  175. Munny says:

    Victoria Oil,

    It’s a tough call, and I have Henderson ahead of the Rap too—because Canadian too—but accomplishing what Bianca has already accomplished as a 18/19 yo is unheard of for any country.

  176. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: Any reason to think he didn’t?

    Perhaps he had a few small contract offers.

    Perhaps he was not willing to come to Edmonton on a PTO.

    This is a shining example of assuming a different transaction could have been consummated to deride what the GM did (or didn’t) do with any idea some transaction was possible.

    No, I asked a question, the opposite of an assumption.

    And the irony of your post is quite astounding. You assume Sheahan was the only player available and would only accept 900K. Now that’s pretty blinkered. Another kind of weird signing. As WG points out, he a PKer and FO guy. Boyd Gordon for the now. Would have preferred Marody got his shot.

    A PTO would have been a better offer. You know it. And we’d have heard through media if one was offered and turned down.

  177. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide: 1998 NCAA, 2002 and 2003 Gold at WHC’s.

    As the #1 centre? 2006 would have been great but just short.
    As long as I’m not short…just rather obscure…

  178. BONE207 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Youse systems guys can verify, but it seems the Oilers have been opposite George on team systems. The results have been bad.

    So what if a coach does what’s easier to understand and enact, and tailors it to the roster?

    I say all boats float.

    Do you mean try something we’ve suggested here since 2015/16?
    Preposterous!!! College guys as rookie 3rd line centres are all the rage. All boats will float as long as the bilge pump keeps up with the incoming rush through the torpedoed hull.

  179. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull: No, I asked a question, the opposite of an assumption.

    And the irony of your post is quite astounding. You assume Sheahan was the only player available and would only accept 900K. Now that’s pretty blinkered. Another kind of weird signing. As WG points out, he a PKer and FO guy. Boyd Gordon for the now. Would have preferred Marody got his shot.

    A PTO would have been a better offer. You know it. And we’d have heard through media if one was offered and turned down.

    I thought of you the other day…

    Sitting on a park bench, eying little OPs with bad intent…

  180. jp says:

    Ryan: ?

    Just pointing out that Kassian struggled horribly last season to produce playing in the bottom six.

    Hopefully with all the depth options that we have, we can create a third line that can contribute offensively.

    I joke about all of our potential fourth liners, but I don’t mind having the depth and the Sheahan signing is a good bet.

    I got your meaning, but the flip side is that Kassian produced like a legit top 6 in the 2nd half.

    It was a bit of a dink reply (sorry) but I think the point stands that Kassian and Chiasson, based on their careers pre-McDavid, deserve to be included on George’s list in the 8-10F range.

    Agreed on the other points. The depth can’t hurt. If nothing else I think the group has great potential to be “not terrible” which would be a big win vs last season.

  181. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    BONE207,

    Pretty sure he’s calling the 2006 Western Conference ‘Pennant’ (as LT refers to it) a championship.

  182. Pescador says:

    Victoria Oil: If Bianca wins, then it is the Cdn sports story of the year (I don’t care about the Raptors because basketball is boring and the team is full of Americans), but if she doesn’t win, I’d say Brooke Henderson is the story of the year in Canadian sports – more wins than any other Canadian PGA or LPGA player.

    Basketball is boring,
    There was nothing boring about the Raptors championship run
    Shame you didn’t get to watch any of it.
    Also, go Bianca!
    It chokes me up watching her win & be so humble.
    What a brilliant personality, not a bad tennis player either

  183. jp says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Any reason Ken didn’t offer She-Ra a PTO?

    Jethro Tull: No, I asked a question, the opposite of an assumption.

    And the irony of your post is quite astounding. You assume Sheahan was the only player available and would only accept 900K. Now that’s pretty blinkered. Another kind of weird signing. As WG points out, he a PKer and FO guy. Boyd Gordon for the now. Would have preferred Marody got his shot.

    A PTO would have been a better offer. You know it. And we’d have heard through media if one was offered and turned down.

    The most likely answer for me is that Sheahan is worth a $900k contract.

    Holland waited until the price came down*, then said hell yeah I’ll give you a number that’s fully interchangeable with anyone else that may or may not make my team (even though you’re most likely going to be my 3C and top 7 in overall TOI).

    *my speculation

  184. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not possible.

    They currently have a 24 man roster on Capfriendly, including Manning, and over $1.5M of room.

    They have to get rid of one player, even if its Cave, they have $2.2M of room.

    They cant make any moves that get them within $1.15M of the cap with currently signed players.

    Agreed, it’s not possible with the current roster. Which is why I floated the idea that maybe just maybe a surprisingly substantial trade or signing(s) are coming.

  185. BONE207 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    BONE207,

    Pretty sure he’s calling the 2006 Western Conference ‘Pennant’ (as LT refers to it) a championship.

    Well, I took no joy from that championship, damn it.

  186. defmn says:

    jp: Agreed, it’s not possible with the current roster. Which is why I floated the idea that maybe just maybe a surprisingly substantial trade is coming.

    With all the uncertainty regarding unsigned players around the league I think it is just prudent to expect the unexpected the next few weeks.

  187. gimme shelter says:

    The reason the Oilers signed Mr.Sheahan is not to be a 3C or 4C but to replace McJesus in the line-up.
    You see management fibbed about his McJesus readiness for the opening day and got Mr.Sheahan’s 38 pts to replace him. Ha Ha!
    I read all the comments but I am wondering now about the waiver wire. If we can scrape enough CAP space together by sending players down or releasing them to attain a top 6 winger if one becomes available.
    Was Holland conservative in his acquisitions? That statement I concur.

  188. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    BONE207,

    Tell me about it. A real come down, a mood killer as it were.

  189. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: The Neal trade changed a lot of minds.

    Well, it eased the fretting, anyway.

  190. Jethro Tull says:

    BONE207: I thought of you the other day…

    Sitting on a park bench, eying little OPs with bad intent…

    The winter snows build deep of the rooftops of Moscow.

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q:
    Why are people so down on these moves by Holland?

    I love them all. They’re also cheap and short term. Good bets. Good competition. Some might be able to improve and move up the lineup, and help some prospects stay in Bakersfield.

    Better than Tambellini (Nothing) or Chiarelli (Enough Said).

    I wouldn’t say I’m down on Holland’s moves at all.

    He’s doing what he can but his hands are pretty tied.

    Players like Sheehan, Archibald and Granlund are available cheap om one year contracts for a reason though so it’s not like you break out the pom poms.

    I like that most of the could/are Actual NHL bottom 6 players.

    Keeping the bottom 6 from bleeding away what McDavid gets is key to any hope for success.

    Getting RNH more higher end help is important too, but Holland won’t be able to really address that until next summer. (When he signs Hall)

  192. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Getting RNH more higher end help is important too, but Holland won’t be able to really address that until next summer. (When he signs Hall)

    Ha!

    But you of all people know that they didn’t exactly light the world on fire together. Over the last 3 years together Hall’s scoring rates were lower with Nugent-Hopkins than without.

  193. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Ha!

    But you of all people know that they didn’t exactly light the world on fire together. RNH’s scoring rates were no better with Hall than without,and over the last 3 years together Hall’s scoring rates were lower with Nugent-Hopkins than without.

    They had a +50% goal share vs the best on the other team’s in their early 20’s.

    They probably torch team’s 2nd line for ~58% these days while 97 -29 did the same to the other team’s first lines.

    Don’t confuse scoring rates with winning the goal share.

    Scoring more generally can help with the goal share, but often it doesn’t so greater GF/60 is not equal to greater GF%.

    Winning the GF% is the important part.

  194. Pouzar says:

    That Andresscu kid…what a comeback in that 2nd set…got me watchin Tennis again.

    Shame I can’t watch the match Saturday as I am moving tomorrow.

    Oh…moving sucks. Moving while doing renos sucks even worser.
    At least it’s a short haul move only to a different neighborhood.

  195. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    They are sooooo signing Hall aren’t they?

    Garfield’s status as an insider depends on it!

  196. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: The signing of Riley Sheahan gives coach Dave Tippett more options at centre on the third and fourth lines. Both units were badly outscored a year ago. Has Ken Holland done enough to improve them?

    https://theathletic.com/1185303/2019/09/06/lowetide-how-can-the-oilers-bottom-six-close-the-gap-in-goal-differential/

  197. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar:
    That Andresscu kid…what a comeback in that 2nd set…got me watchin Tennis again.

    Shame I can’t watch the match Saturday as I am moving tomorrow.

    Oh…moving sucks. Moving while doing renos sucks even worser.
    At least it’s a short haul move only to a different neighborhood.

    I bet you’re moving closer to the airport…oh, wait. You’re in Winnipeg…never mind…

  198. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    They are sooooo signing Hall aren’t they?

    Garfield’s status as an insider depends on it!

    Bookie it!

  199. Pouzar says:

    BONE207: I bet you’re moving closer to the airport…oh, wait. You’re in Winnipeg…never mind…

    If I was any closer I’d have to pass security every time I went to the bathroom.

  200. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar: If I was any closer I’d have to pass security every time I went to the bathroom.

    At least they wash your hands for you.

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