Back to the Future

This blog spends a lot of time on prospects and the future. So much time in fact that I was once accused of contributing to Edmonton’s poor record by romanticizing the draft. Seriously. I started the top 20 prospects for winter 2019 at The Athletic yesterday and this is a good time to run the NHLE’s and have a chat about the future.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Evaluating the Oilers’ readiness for the 2021 Seattle expansion draft
  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard
  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ college procurement could increase under Ken Holland
  • Jonathan Willis: A shift-by-shift analysis of Caleb Jones in his Oilers season debut
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Sometimes it’s just unstoppable’: How McDavid and the Oilers’ power play dominated the Avalanche
  • Jonathan Willis: Darnell Nurse, Caleb Jones and the crisis that’s looming in the Oilers’ middle distance
  • Jonathan Willis: Basically, yes, the Oilers should keep Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ‘forever’
  • Lowetide: Why the recall of NHL-ready Caleb Jones should benefit the Oilers in the long run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Several drivers make the grade but Edmonton’s bus still has a few passengers
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanFrom 4 to 97, Oilers both new and old share the stories behind their jersey numbers
  • Jonathan Willis: Could a fall trade improve the fortunes of your NHL team in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Analyzing Dave Tippett’s defensive usage and what the Oilers will do when Adam Larsson returns
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins shines, mad props for Leon Draisaitl and more to like as the Oilers beat the Devils
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What inexperienced defencemen like the Oilers’ Joel Persson must do to gain their coach’s confidence
  • Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players

COMPLETE PROSPECT NHLE

I included Jesse Puljujarvi in this look although he doesn’t fit my definition of a prospect (your mileage may vary). There are three (Lavoie, Benson, Jones) who have an NHLE over 30 and that’s the start of a very impressive season. Men 25-29 NHLE include Aapeli Rasanen, Josh Currie and Joe Gambardella. Players 20-24 points NHLE are Evan Bouchard and Kailer Yamamoto. Excluding goalies, how many top end prospects are <20 NHLE? I’ll suggest three defenders (William Lagesson, Dmitri Samorukov and Philip Broberg), plus forwards Cooper Marody, Ryan McLeod and Kirill Maksimov.

I checked on Friday and there were still tickets left, they are free for The Athletic subscribers (and you can bring someone). It’s a great venue and our chance to say thanks. Last year’s was a blast and the Q&A was a lot of fun, led to some great suggestions by subscribers (many of those were added to what we present today). Ask anything you like, I’ll even describe the balance photo if you ask. Click on the link above and register, love to see you on Saturday!

AHL EVEN STRENGTH SCORING

  1. Brad Malone 14, 2-6-8 .571
  2. Joe Gambardella 9, 3-2-5 .556
  3. Tyler Benson 15, 2-6-8 .533
  4. Josh Currie 15, 5-2-7 .467
  5. Kailer Yamamoto 15, 3-3-6 .400
  6. Colby Cave 10, 2-2-4 .400
  7. Cooper Marody 12, 1-3-4 .333
  8. Caleb Jones 13, 1-3-4 .308
  9. Ryan McLeod 15, 1-3-4 .267
  10. Evan Bouchard 15, 1-3-4 .267

Here are the top 10 even-strength scorers this year (by points-per-game). Here’s what that looked like one year ago around the same time

  1. Cooper Marody 7, 2-4-6 .860
  2. Brad Malone 11, 3-5-8 .730
  3. Patrick Russell 11, 3-5-8 .730
  4. Tyler Benson 11, 2-5-7 .640
  5. Joe Gambardella 11, 4-3-7 .640
  6. Caleb Jones 11, 1-5-6 .550
  7. Cameron Hebig 11, 1-4-5 .450
  8. Dave Gust 9, 1-3-4 .440
  9. William Lagesson 10, 2-2-4 .400
  10. Josh Currie 11, 3-1-4 .360

A couple of things. First, Cooper Marody being hurt impacts the offense in Bakersfield. Second, none of the prospects outside of Marody are way off the pace. Finally, Kailer Yamamoto isn’t tearing the cover off the ball but he’s in the pack and hasn’t gone on a heater (the kids use that word for hot streak now) yet.

ROOKIES BY YEAR

One thing I like to follow each year is the number of games a team deploys former minor leaguers in the season following their time in the AHL. It looks like 2019 is going to be a good one.

  1. 2015 (320) Darnell Nurse 69, Iiro Pakarinen 63, Brandon Davidson 51, Connor McDavid 45, Griffin Reinhart 29, Adam Clendening 20, Jordan Oesterle 17, Jujhar Khaira 15, Anton Slepyshev 11.
  2. 2016 (212) Matt Benning 62, Drake Caggiula 60, Anton Slepyshev 41, Jesse Puljujarvi 28, Jujhar Khaira 10, Laurent Brossoit 8, Dillon Simpson 3.
  3. 2017 (61) Ethan Bear 18, Pontus Aberg 16, Laurent Brossoit 14, Kailer Yamamoto 9, Nathan Walker 2, Keegan Lowe 2.
  4. 2018 (137) Colby Cave 33, Josh Currie 21, Kailer Yamamoto 17, Caleb Jones 17, Joe Gambardella 15, Evan Bouchard 7, Patrick Russell 6, Cooper Marody 6, Valentin Zykov 5.
  5. 2019 (53) Ethan Bear 22, Patrick Russell 19, Joel Persson 10, Caleb Jones 2.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Monday morning with all kinds of major stories to cover. We’ll have Darren Bauming from TSN Winnipeg at 10:20 to talk Blue Bombers and the Grey Cup. Jason Gregor will be by at 11 to chat about the Eskimos season and what the offseason might look like, as well as the Oilers road trip ahead. 10-1260 text, see you on the radio!

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  1. Side says:

    Note to self, next Saturday night there will be no one moderating the site.

    Excellent.

  2. Wilde says:

    If the Condors figure out the powerplay I wouldn’t be surprised to see Yamamoto go supernova for a couple dozen games.

  3. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – The forward prospects are a bunch of meh IMO. Kailer really needs to be scoring at an elite level, kicking the sh$t out of the AHL the best player on his team for months in a row if he is to be projected as a winger that plays with skill. We will see. But he wouldn’t get much in a trade for him right now: he’s not very highly rated. Time to step up.

    – Next year, many of Benson, Marody Kailer, McLeod etc ought to be in a position to replace the Archibald, Jurco, Gagner, Granlunds: and that isn’t too hard to project so there’s that

    – The D on the other hand: Bear, Persson and Jones have all had duty in the NHL this year, which is amazing. Then 2 D with higher ceilings than this year’s graduates in Brah’ and Bouchard. And another group of Lagesson, Berglund, plus Samu (whose ceiling is TBD). Plus Marino

    – The draft, develop signings of the last 3-4 years that is paying fruition big time on the D, and play a big part in this year’s team’s success

    – We need a high-end forward prospect to emerge. Who knows, but the numbers don’t support any of them being difference makers in the NHL so far.

    – I love LT’s commitment over the years to the development side of the ledger: would have been even bleaker over the last 10 years without the promise of things getting better from the farm!

  4. Oil2Oilers says:

    The DNB and Willis article on the Seattle expansion seems to gloss over the asset the Oilers have that may be over valued by a new team looking for home town stars; Kailer Yamamoto

    Should Yamamoto become a NHL regular next year an obvious play would be trading him to Seattle, in return for them taking on the tail of the Neal contract.

    Sure it further thins out the Oilers wings, but big changes will be required on the wings anyway.

  5. Andy Dufresne says:

    ” I’ll even describe the balance photo if you ask.”

    Huuhh!

    Dont mess with me.

    “It an 8 x 10…..with a shiny frame and non reflective glass….”

  6. Clarkenstein says:

    There is nobody in Bak that will project to a top 6 forward. Nobody. BUT the D men is where the gold is. Starting 2020 they need to focus completely on drafting Forwards.

  7. meanashell11 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    There is nobody inBak that will project to a top 6 forward. Nobody. BUT the D men is where the gold is. Starting 2020 they need to focus completely on drafting Forwards.

    Yet that draft is deep in defensemen….. when you get to where we will probably be drafting.

  8. BONE207 says:

    Side:
    Note to self, next Saturday night there will be no one moderating the site.

    Excellent.

    Whoa whoa whoa.Mr. Side…
    Ziggy has been trained to press the “easy” button when things get out of hand around here. LT only doles out the punishment now. Lowetide. Ca is the brains of Skynet.

  9. leadfarmer says:

    Clarkenstein,

    So your saying we will draft another defenseman

  10. BONE207 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Clarkenstein,

    So your saying we will draft another defenseman

    Well someone has to replace Nurse who has either been traded or moved onto the wing.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    BONE207: Well someone has to replace Nurse who has either been traded or moved onto the wing.

    We will just fill our 4th line with defensemen
    #Youcanneverhaveenoughdefensemen

  12. Andy Dufresne says:

    ” I was once accused of contributing to Edmonton’s poor record by romanticizing the draft. ”

    Strange accusation on so many levels.

    But it does beg the question, is it possible to overvalue prospects, and if so what does that look like?

    Gets back to concepts like: would you trade your picks 2 through 7 for a top 10 first round pick?

    As intrigued as I am with the NHL Balance Photo, you’ve now got me wondering what an AHL Roster Balance Photo looks like.

    The balance photo concept is an interesting one in and of itself.

    What does the balance photo of a Scouting Dept look like?

    What does the balance photo of an Analytics Dept look like?

    Send your enquiries to @ConBoland 🙂

  13. JJS says:

    The Oil really needed Puljujarvi to hit. He was their one and only ace in the hole.

    Yamo may become an effective secondary scorer but appears miles away at the moment.

    Perhaps we are on the cusp of the dreaded 2 for 1 trade we keep hearing about?!?!

  14. jp says:

    Clarkenstein:
    There is nobody in Bak that will project to a top 6 forward. Nobody.

    Benson projects as a likely top 6.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2019/09/projecting-tyler-bensons-1920-season.html

    https://theathletic.com/936795/2019/04/21/tyler-bensons-comparables-offer-oilers-fans-plenty-of-hope-for-the-future/?redirected=1

    Lavoie is looking pretty impressive this year too, though he’s not in Bakersfield.

  15. Wilde says:

    People need to stop abstracting about what a “top-six” forward is and look at the third player on the Edmonton Oilers’ top line.

  16. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Wilde,

    Agreed. In reality, the job of New Holland is to fill up the roster with better players than we currently have. And then improve the roster again.

    It would be nice to have two first lines, a second and a third. And a first pairing flanked by two seconds.

    None of which happens over night, solely at the draft table nor with a single trade. However, built right, this team has an inner core worth building around.

  17. Andy Dufresne says:

    Has anyone ever been to a draft?

    What year does anyone think there will be a draft in Edmonton?

  18. McSorley33 says:

    Quick update:

    Milan Lucic has played 21 games and has scored 0 goals and only added 3 assists!!

    Thank you Kenny!

  19. Darth Tu says:

    leadfarmer: We will just fill our 4th line with defensemen
    #Youcanneverhaveenoughdefensemen

    Get McDavid to doubleshift as the centre on the 4th line, then have him flanked by 2 D.

    For super bonus points let’s have both the wing D and the real D be lefthanders.

    I’m behind this plan for banter reasons.

  20. Hankster says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    And another group of Lagesson, Berglund, plus Samu (whose ceiling is TBD).Plus Marino

    I was about to mention Marino…why no one talked about him. Especially since he’s now handling top 4 duties in Pittsburgh.
    Jones, Bear and Marino all drafted in the same year. Fire that scout !

  21. texmex says:

    McSorley33:
    Quick update:

    Milan Lucic has played 21 games and has scored 0 goals and only added 3 assists!!

    Thank you Kenny!

    Reaves was running around last night big time and actually injured a few flames players. Loooooccch did nothing!!!

  22. Paulie says:

    McSorley33:
    Quick update:

    Milan Lucic has played 21 games and has scored 0 goals and only added 3 assists!!

    Thank you Kenny!

    Yeah, but he brings leadership and is good in the room😉

  23. Professor Q says:

    jp: Benson projects as a likely top 6.

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2019/09/projecting-tyler-bensons-1920-season.html

    https://theathletic.com/936795/2019/04/21/tyler-bensons-comparables-offer-oilers-fans-plenty-of-hope-for-the-future/?redirected=1

    Lavoie is looking pretty impressive this year too, though he’s not in Bakersfield.

    He’s no Lafrenière. 😉

    Those Moncton, Sherbrooke, and Cape Breton boys are also pretty good though, Rimouski notwithstanding.

    Lavoie stands alone amongst them in terms of being up there in points. His linemates are not. This might actually be a good thing.

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    JJS:
    The Oil really needed Puljujarvi to hit.He was their one and only ace in the hole.

    Yamo may become an effective secondary scorer but appears miles away at the moment.

    Perhaps we are on the cusp of the dreaded 2 for 1 trade we keep hearing about?!?!

    “The Oil really needed Puljujarvi to hit.”

    Ive been saying this for 3 years. If I was the Coach I would tell JP to go out there and get 5 + hits in per game. Seperate the man form the puck. Use your body as a weapon. But Alas Jesse is a Bandi player…………oh………you meant pop…… 🙂

    “He was their one and only ace in the hole.” who fell out of our sleeve and onto the floor…yikes!

    “Yamo may become an effective secondary scorer but appears miles away at the moment”

    Closer Ricky Vaughn (Charlie Sheen) comes out of the bullpen to the sound of “Wild Thing”

    When Yamamoto takes to the ice in Bakerfeild the organist plays Dwight Yoakam….Miles Away From Nowhere……

  25. Reja says:

    JJS:
    The Oil really needed Puljujarvi to hit.He was their one and only ace in the hole.

    Yamo may become an effective secondary scorer but appears miles away at the moment.

    Perhaps we are on the cusp of the dreaded 2 for 1 trade we keep hearing about?!?!

    A hit ha! How about just not a whiff.

  26. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Hankster: I was about to mention Marino…why no one talked about him.Especially since he’s now handling top 4 duties in Pittsburgh.
    Jones, Bear and Marino all drafted in the same year.Fire that scout !

    – Yeah, it’s something forgotten: The unbalanced vitriol for trading 1st and 2nd pick for Griffen who was a bust, but not those 3 D and Talbot: a stunning draft by all measures.

    – While that trade specifically was awful, that draft collectively is tracking as the best one the oilers have had in 20 years +. That’s how drafts work: some good calls and some bad calls.

    – It’s disingenuous to simply pick the one move that didn’t work in isolation IMO. Sure had we not made that trade, in a vacuum and picked some guys instead, our best draft could have been better.

    – It would be like as a portfolio manager, my first and second “top picks” were busts, but the 3-5 picks and other trades resulted in top-decile performance, but a client just rips me every call years later for the bad ones rather than the significant out performance…

  27. Professor Q says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    And don’t forget your jackpot #1 OV pick.

    Although not that that excuses the next few high percentage picks being wasted away.

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    McSorley33:
    Quick update:

    Milan Lucic has played 21 games and has scored 0 goals and only added 3 assists!!

    Thank you Kenny!

    Yeah but Lucic verbally stood up to Ryan Reeves after Reeves knocked Kylinton into into tommorow land.

    And please, lets not forget that the Flames also signed Talbot. Thank You Brad!

    #Vegreville6Lames0

  29. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: A hit ha! How about just not a whiff.

    Id take a bunt single right about now.

  30. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Professor Q,

    That Lavoie is a stone alone is, in my estimation, a good thing indeed.

    Kind of like how I viewed Peyton Krebs as a strong choice to draft, seeing as how he’s able to put up significant points with little help. If a rising tide floats all boats, it would sure be interesting to see what happens when he’s surrounded by quality teammates instead of always being the one forcing the issue. Seems like a high floor – high ceiling type of player.

  31. digger50 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – The forward prospects are a bunch of meh IMO.Kailer really needs to be scoring at an elite level, kicking the sh$t out of the AHL the best player on his team for months in a row if he is to be projected as a winger that plays with skill.We will see.But he wouldn’t get much in a trade for him right now: he’s not very highly rated.Time to step up.

    – Next year, many of Benson, Marody Kailer, McLeod etc ought to be in a position to replace theArchibald, Jurco, Gagner, Granlunds:and that isn’t too hard to project so there’s that

    – The D on the other hand: Bear, Persson and Jones have all had duty in the NHL this year, which is amazing.Then2 D with higher ceilingsthan this year’s graduates in Brah’ and Bouchard.And another group of Lagesson, Berglund, plus Samu (whose ceiling is TBD).Plus Marino

    – The draft, develop signings of the last 3-4 years that is paying fruition big time on the D, and play a big part in this year’s team’s success

    – We need a high-end forward prospect to emerge.Who knows, but the numbers don’t support any of them being difference makers in the NHL so far.

    – I love LT’s commitment over the years to the development side of the ledger: would have been even bleaker over the last 10 years without the promise of things getting better from the farm!

    If this was all known and understood at this summers draft – it is shocking they took another d man.

    I think it was not known at all by the new GM and he already had his target identified before he stepped foot in Edmonton.

    This is not to cast blame towards Holland, it is just a fact that when you switch GM’s they don’t always recognize everything they have.

  32. dustrock says:

    Article at The Athletic: “Is It Time to Consider Trading Gaudreau?”

    You hate to see it!

  33. v4ance says:

    Edmonton Oilers@EdmontonOilers

    The #Oilers have assigned defenceman Joel Persson to the
    @Condors

    I guess that means Larsson is ready for next game

  34. godot10 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The DNB and Willis article on the Seattle expansion seems to gloss over the asset the Oilers have that may be over valued by a new team looking for home town stars; Kailer Yamamoto

    Should Yamamoto become a NHL regular next year an obvious play would be trading him to Seattle, in return for them taking on the tail of the Neal contract.

    Sure it further thins out the Oilers wings, but big changes will be required on the wings anyway.

    Yamamoto comes from Spokane. Spokane is to Seattle pretty much like Calgary is to Edmonton.

  35. jtblack says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Has anyone ever been to a draft?

    What year does anyone think there will be a draft in Edmonton?

    Yes In Calgary years ago.

    Most boring event ever.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Michael Kesserling scored his first college goal this weekend and, although we are years away from even speaking of an NHL contract, I’m not sleeping on this prospect.

    Also, Phil Kemp, I think his graduation is not after this season but the following but I’m hopeful this player wants to sign with the organization and I wonder if maybe he wants to leave college a year early to do so.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not sure if the Oilers are flying to SJ today or if they are already there – i.e. not sure when/if they are skating but I’m curious/anxious to see if Mr. Larsson is (1) on the trip and (2) potentially in a gameday pairing.

    I assume he’s on the trip but maybe not ready until Thursday or Saturday but I’m just speculating.

    It will be a boon to have him back and really soldify the Klefbom pairing as a pairing that can handle the toughs – give Nurse/Bear some help and also spell Bear of some PK minutes.

  38. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah, it’s something forgotten: The unbalanced vitriol for trading 1st and 2nd pick for Griffen who was a bust, but not those 3 D and Talbot: a stunning draft by all measures.

    – While that trade specifically was awful, that draft collectively is tracking as the best one the oilers have had in 20 years +.That’s how drafts work: some good calls and some bad calls.

    – It’s disingenuous to simply pick the one move that didn’t work in isolation IMO.Sure had we not made that trade, in a vacuum and picked some guys instead, our best draft could have been better.

    – It would be like as a portfolio manager, my first and second “top picks” were busts, but the 3-5 picks and other trades resulted in top-decile performance, but a client just rips me every call years later for the bad ones rather than the significantout performance…

    The vitriol is well earned.

    Later round draft picks are lottery tickets. Trading a mid first and a high second in a deeep draft for a guy who was being surpassed by lower pedigree prospects in his own farm system? Who’s poor skating and bag of milk body was apparent to even the most casual of onlookers?

    The scouts did a nice job in later rounds. Chiarelli pulled the trigger on that debacle.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Persson assigned to Bakersfield.

    I think Larsson’s return is indeed imminent – how exciting!

  40. Reja says:

    texmex: Reaves was running around last night big time and actually injured a few flames players. Loooooccch did nothing!!!

    Nobody in their right mind would mess with Reaves unless they’re looking for a contract. What I’ve noticed of Lucic is if you don’t bother him he does the same

  41. GMB3 says:

    digger50: If this was all known and understood at this summers draft – it is shocking they took another d man.

    I think it was not known at all by the new GM and he already had his target identified before he stepped foot in Edmonton.

    This is not to cast blame towards Holland, it is just a fact that when you switch GM’s they don’t always recognize everything they have.

    Cole Caufield is a nearly a goal per game in the NCAA, Zegras is doing well…

    High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

  42. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    Article at The Athletic: “Is It Time to Consider Trading Gaudreau?”

    You hate to see it!

    Well now… Nurse + JP?

    😀

  43. Professor Q says:

    ArmchairGM: Well now… Nurse + JP?

    I do not want Nurse on Calgary.

  44. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: Cole Caufield is a nearly a goal per game in the NCAA, Zegras is doing well…

    High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

    Numbers never are in SHL or Liiga.

  45. PennersPancakes says:

    GMB3: High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

    His two post draft seasons Klefbom put up 2 goals 0 assists in 33 games and then followed with 0 goals 3 assists in 11 games. So far Broberg has 0 goals 3 assists in 18 games so in line to be a bit higher than Klefboms numbers. But with superior skating and without the injury history.

    Boxcars are ineffective when measuring young defense in the Swedish leagues it appears. I also think in general for all players in the SHL assists arent handed out as much as other leagues.

  46. godot10 says:

    Those who forgot Jeff Petry are doomed to repeat the mistake.

  47. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Id take a bunt single right about now.

    It’s looking like a walk…..about.

  48. Darth Tu says:

    GMB3: Cole Caufield is a nearly a goal per game in the NCAA, Zegras is doing well…

    High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

    It’s really hard to get a gauge on young D playing in men’s leagues though – especially when those leagues are in Europe on the bigger ice. I have high hopes that Broberg will work out well and will be a vital cog in the Edmonton machine for many years.

    I’m not fully sure how it works for NCAA players, but could he in theory go to Montreal next year? Or is he likely to stay in College? If so what a pickup by Montreal.

  49. v4ance says:

    godot10:
    Those who forgot Jeff Petry are doomed to repeat the mistake.

    Those who thinks apples are actually oranges are doomed to get rickets

  50. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    PennersPancakes,

    – ‘Brah is 18 for the entire season, playing in Men’s league: he doesn’t turn 19 untill the summer

    – Could be a few more years untill he comes over, but what promise…

  51. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Not sure if the Oilers are flying to SJ today or if they are already there – i.e. not sure when/if they are skating but I’m curious/anxious to see if Mr. Larsson is (1) on the trip and (2) potentially in a gameday pairing.

    I assume he’s on the trip but maybe not ready until Thursday or Saturday but I’m just speculating.

    It will be a boon to have him back and really soldify the Klefbom pairing as a pairing that can handle the toughs – give Nurse/Bear some help and also spell Bear of some PK minutes.

    Very much looking forward to seeing Bear flourish when given the same treatment that Makar and Hughes are getting: offensive push, sheltered top-4 with increased PP opportunities.

    He’s already ahead of Makar in every shot-based metric and I imagine his GF% will rise while Makar’s falls, as he’s on a superheater right now.

  52. dustrock says:

    Yeah, Caufield and Zegras were hard to figure.

    That USNTDP team was so stacked, who was zooming and who was zoomed?

    Broberg is a great play from a long-term organizational perspective, the type of D who could play 26 minutes per game in all situations.

    I don’t think he’s going to be Hedman, but I think he has the ability to be Jay Bouwmeester as a floor, and that’s still a very valuable asset with the way the league is trending.

  53. Professor Q says:

    Darth Tu: It’s really hard to get a gauge on young D playing in men’s leagues though – especially when those leagues are in Europe on the bigger ice.I have high hopes that Broberg will work out well and will be a vital cog in the Edmonton machine for many years.

    I’m not fully sure how it works for NCAA players, but could he in theory go to Montreal next year? Or is he likely to stay in College? If so what a pickup by Montreal.

    If he signs with Montréal then yes, I suppose he could. He just wouldn’t be able to go back to Wisconsin.

    Now, could he go to Laval like Ryan Poehling? Poehling had 3 seasons in the NCAA, however.

  54. PennersPancakes says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Im on the boat that they bring Broberg and Berglund over to the AHL next season, especially as a pairing. I think they have to sign Berglund or lose his rights?

    Lowe will be gone and Day is definitely a lesser prospect. So even if Bouchard stays in the AHL there space for the both of them. Although if they can get serious reps in Sweden that doesnt sound too bad either. Neither should play in the NHL next year anyways/

  55. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    GMB3,

    Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
    2010-11 Farjestads BK Karlstad SEL 23 1 1 2 2 1
    2011-12 Farjestads BK Karlstad SEL 33 2 0 2 4 -1
    2012-13 Farjestads BK Karlstad SEL 11 0 3 3 2 7

    Those are age 17,18,19 seasons by another smooth skating two way defenseman who is easily one of the top two or three defensemen from his draft year. He’s currently 2nd in points among D from that class.

    I’m going to hold off on calling Broberg a bust based on Euro point totals while playing as a teenager in a men’s league.

    EDIT: should have read through the rest of the thread, as I see I’m late to the party. But the numbers should provide context.

  56. Professor Q says:

    ArmchairGM: Very much looking forward to seeing Bear flourish when given the same treatment that Makar and Hughes are getting: offensive push, sheltered top-4 with increased PP opportunities.

    He’s already ahead of Makar in every shot-based metric and I imagine his GF% will rise while Makar’s falls, as he’s on a superheater right now.

    Hey now, Makar is a shoo-in for the Hart, Norris, Calder, and Vezina.

    At least that’s what they tell me.

  57. who says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    The DNB and Willis article on the Seattle expansion seems to gloss over the asset the Oilers have that may be over valued by a new team looking for home town stars; Kailer Yamamoto

    Should Yamamoto become a NHL regular next year an obvious play would be trading him to Seattle, in return for them taking on the tail of the Neal contract.

    Sure it further thins out the Oilers wings, but big changes will be required on the wings anyway.

    The expansion protection article was a very interesting read.
    I’m sure the Oilers are already planning for the expansion draft but it seems to me that Step 1 would be getting Caleb Jones regular playing time in Edmonton for the rest of the year. They need to find out if this guy is worth protecting. Or they need to establish some kind of trade value for him.
    Either way, it seems one of Benning or Russell needs to be moved in season. You could keep both for the rest of the year but press boxing one of them is going to hurt whatever trade value they do have.

  58. v4ance says:

    NHL.com @NHLdotcom
    ·
    Jonathan Drouin will have wrist surgery Monday and is out indefinitely for the Canadiens, coach Claude Julien said. Forward Paul Byron will have knee surgery Tuesday

    ***

    With these injuries, the Habs might fall out of playoff contention by Xmas. May be a chance to pick up Woodguy’s #2 favorite tough minutes target Danault?

  59. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: If he signs with Montréal then yes, I suppose he could. He just wouldn’t be able to go back to Wisconsin.

    Now, could he go to Laval like Ryan Poehling? Poehling had 3 seasons in the NCAA, however.

    Yeah, he’d be old enough to avoid the need to go to Junior, the fact that he’s playing well against “older” players in college is a good indication that he’s at least ready for the AHL. Still, other people’s prospects – I can’t say I know much about him other than the stats pre-draft and the scoring this year.

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    Professor Q: Hey now, Makar is a shoo-in for the Hart, Norris, Calder, and Vezina.

    At least that’s what they tell me.

    That’s what I’m hearing too, so it must be true. Bobby Orr needs to watch his back…

  61. texmex says:

    Jason Gregor
    @JasonGregor
    ·
    9m
    With Manning….Larsson will go on road trip, but won’t play tomorrow. He was shooting for later in the trip. I’d guess on the weekend.

  62. Hankster says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah, it’s something forgotten: The unbalanced vitriol for trading 1st and 2nd pick for Griffen who was a bust, but not those 3 D and Talbot: a stunning draft by all measures.

    – While that trade specifically was awful, that draft collectively is tracking as the best one the oilers have had in 20 years +.That’s how drafts work: some good calls and some bad calls.

    – It’s disingenuous to simply pick the one move that didn’t work in isolation IMO.Sure had we not made that trade, in a vacuum and picked some guys instead, our best draft could have been better.

    – It would be like as a portfolio manager, my first and second “top picks” were busts, but the 3-5 picks and other trades resulted in top-decile performance, but a client just rips me every call years later for the bad ones rather than the significantout performance…

    It’s important to understand how the person grew up and the environment that groomed them. This is why we have glass half full vs empty outlooks. Right?
    Reacting to your top picks being a busts while outperforming the market. Those are likely the same people who would say things like “well they could have won multiple cups instead of just one”

    You win some and you lose some ! Nope gotta win ’em all
    whether it’s trades or draft picks, can’t expect perfection. Admittedly, the Oilers have not been even close

    Disingenuous…only the strong would be silly enough to be sincere. Those who admitted they were wrong on past picks or player assessments deserve our admiration.

    I haven’t spent much time on other hockey blogs but I doubt others incessantly dream up the perfect team on paper like some here. Tampa had the perfect team last year didn’t they ? The American dream teams, you can’t have more skilled basketball players than that, yet have lost to much less talented teams. So much more needs to be said about psychology, motivation and team cohesion just to name a few.

  63. GMB3 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    GMB3,

    SeasonTeam LgeGPGAPtsPIM +/-
    2010-11Farjestads BK KarlstadSEL2311221
    2011-12Farjestads BK KarlstadSEL332024-1
    2012-13Farjestads BK KarlstadSEL1103327

    Those are age 17,18,19 seasons by another smooth skating two way defenseman who is easily one of the top two or three defensemen from his draft year.He’s currently 2nd in points among D from that class.

    I’m going to hold off on calling Broberg a bust based on Euro point totals while playing as a teenager in a men’s league.

    EDIT: should have read through the rest of the thread, as I see I’m late to the party.But the numbers should provide context.

    I know, I’m not saying he’s a bust, I just would have preferred a forward taken. The last I checked his corsis were strong as well.

  64. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q: Numbers never are in SHL or Liiga.

    Miro Heiskanen disagrees.

  65. McSorley33 says:

    GMB3: Cole Caufield is a nearly a goal per game in the NCAA, Zegras is doing well…

    High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

    Yep – 13 points in 11 games for the 18 year old Zegras

  66. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    GMB3,

    His TOI is looking good, which is what I’m most concerned with; putting in consistent reps against guys who are better and stronger than he is. I think he’ll learn more playing ~15m/gm vs 23+ with Hamilton against teenagers. Earning any increase in ice time has to be more beneficial for his development than being the best option available and playing half the game.

    And for the record, I wanted Krebs but was happy we got Lavoie and Broberg with the first two picks. I think Holland recognized there was going to be a run on top flight defensemen and hedged his forward pick as a result.

  67. slopitch says:

    @Woodguy:

    Yesterday you made this statement:

    It remains to be seen whether or not they are a “true” contender, but consider this:

    5v5 GF% by Center (with none of the other 3 on the ice)
    McDavid (23-16) 59.0%
    RNH (10-8) 55.6%
    Sheahan (1-9) 10%
    Haas (3-5) 37.5%

    Sheahan is actually 2-9 split but your point still stands.

    Whats interesting is that Sheahan is the splits.

    Elite 2-2
    Middle 0-2
    Grits 0-5

    So he’s getting stomped by low level comp. I’m not too sure what to make of that other than he’s maybe best playing none-event hockey vs elites till they find a better 3C??? Small sample size of course.

    If the Oilers could find a 3C who plays hard min and PK (lets call him Pageau for now :D) it would benefit the roster in so many ways. Less elite min for McDavid. Easier min for Nuge. And someone who can outscore elite opponents. In some ways that’s like adding a top line/pairing player (at least matchup-wise) who bumps everyone down a notch. But you don’t have to pay him like such. In our case McDavid definitely doesnt need the help. He’s killing it already. Even 10% less vs elite would be ideal if they could survive when hes not on the ice.

    Much is being written about the Leafs struggles this year. One part of that is that they overplayed Andersson the last 2 years giving him the old Cam Talbot treatment. The other imo is that they traded one of their hard min C for another soft min player in Barrie. Meanwhile, Kadri is playing 35% vs elite for Colorado and breaking even. All the while stomping the middle and grit minutes. Such an important piece if you can get one. Signed for 4.5 till 2022 too. Other factors at play too obviously and likely compounded by the Taveres injury. But interesting to monitor.

  68. GMB3 says:

    godot10:
    Those who forgot Jeff Petry are doomed to repeat the mistake.

    I know you always reference this in regards to Nurse, but the situation isn’t even close to the same. No one is saying trade Nurse for a second round pick. I haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere. Honestly I can’t recall a single person posting that on here… nor have I seen that mentioned on twitter

  69. Coiler says:

    Cory Schneider placed on waivers. Ouch.

    This team had a lot of potential going into the season and they never gained any traction.

  70. jtblack says:

    Coiler:
    Cory Schneider placed on waivers. Ouch.

    This team had a lot of potential going into the season and they never gained any traction.

    Cory Schneider traded for (#9 pick)Bo Horvat …. That was a big win for Van …..

  71. Wilde says:

    Hankster: So much more needs to be said about psychology, motivation and team cohesion just to name a few.

    Is that not 90-95% of traditional sports media?

  72. GMB3 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    GMB3,

    His TOI is looking good, which is what I’m most concerned with; putting in consistent reps against guys who are better and stronger than he is.I think he’ll learn more playing ~15m/gm vs 23+ with Hamilton against teenagers.

    And for the record, I wanted Krebs but was happy we got Lavoie and Broberg with the first two picks.I think Holland recognized there was going to be a run on top flight defensemen and hedged his forward pick as a result.

    Yeah, there were still a few really good forwards on the board early in the first.

    I asked Pronman on twitter and he says he’s seen flashes of elite skill from Broberg, and showing that against men at 18 does bode well for the future.

  73. defmn says:

    GMB3: Yeah, there were still a few really good forwards on the board early in the first.

    I asked Pronman on twitter and he says he’s seen flashes of elite skill from Broberg, and showing that against men at 18 does bode well for the future.

    Not to mention that you can always trade a dman for a forward. I am pretty sure there is a general feeling here, at least, that dmen have more value than wingers so developing dmen should be the superior play.

  74. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: That’s what I’m hearing too, so it must be true. Bobby Orr needs to watch his back…

    Bobby’s to busy aiding his Coach and friend. Unlike his drama queen co-worker who bailed on him faster than a fat kid chasing an ice cream truck.

  75. godot10 says:

    GMB3: I know you always reference this in regards to Nurse, but the situation isn’t even close to the same. No one is saying trade Nurse for a second round pick. I haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere. Honestly I can’t recall a single person posting that on here… nor have I seen that mentioned on twitter

    The return for Petry doesn’t much factor into this. The Oilers gave up a D entering his prime for stupid reasons. The entire failure of the franchise for the last 15 years is pretty much trading and giving up on players entering their prime, creating a sustaining a donut hole in the roster with few players on the roster in their prime years between 25 and 29.

    Stoll, Greene, Torres, Pitkanen, Petry, Hall, Eberle…and there are more.

    Klefbom and Nurse are basically irreplaceable at the moment unless another GM were to make a massive blunder.

    Klefbom and Nurse are critical to the McDavid and Draisaitl cluster. Really only Broberg has a chance of displacing on of them and only in the medium term.

  76. godot10 says:

    jtblack: Cory Schneider traded for (#9 pick)Bo Horvat …. That was a big win for Van …..

    Schneider was a stud when healthy. Schneider played well for a long time in New Jersey. One cannot predict future injuries when making a trade, which will bring about an early end to a career.

  77. Primetime says:

    jtblack: Cory Schneider traded for (#9 pick)Bo Horvat …. That was a big win for Van …..

    All this talk of trading Nurse…

    MacT was in there swinging hard for Schneider but the reported ask was #7OV (Nurse) PLUS to trade a top caliber goalie to a division rival.

    On the other hand, how Mike Gillis end up losing BOTH his top tier goalies is a reason I was hoping he wasn’t on the Oiler GM short list this past summer

  78. duct tape and foil says:

    Thinking about the 3C issue, and if a guy like Pageau is too expensive, then what about using the elite 2/3C we already have on the roster? RNH. This would however require us picking up a LW for McDavid which is a lesser task I suppose. Drai then moves to L2 with Neal and maybe Benson who might thrive there against 2nd toughs working the boards and feeding 2 shooters. Line up RNH with the best of the rest on L3, and have the PK guys on L4.

    xxx McDavid Kassian
    Benson Drai Neal
    Khaira RNH Chaisson
    Granlund/Nygard Sheahan Russell/Archie

    Bottom line is that either a 3C or top 6 LW pushes everyone who is a 4th liner down to the 4th line. Drai is going to have to move to L2 eventually as teams will throw everything at stopping those guys late in the year and playoffs, and Nuge can both handle the toughs and eat up the mids and grits. He’l lstill get his points on PP1.

  79. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: Yes In Calgary years ago.

    Mostboring event ever.

    What, they werent serving alcohol? 🙂

  80. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: Well now… Nurse + JP?

    This is the guy who took Lucic. Benning and JP

  81. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    duct tape and foil:

    xxx McDavid Kassian
    Benson Drai Neal
    Khaira RNH Chaisson
    Granlund/Nygard Sheahan Russell/Archie

    – That’s why I am so optimistic on this year’s team. They are just a hot streak or winger in the system call-up, or trade away from this: 3Cs, scoring more distributed to go around, and load up McD and Drai when need be, from being just fire…

    – The 3C’s: McD, Drai, RNH is the path to cup IMO: just need a winger or two more. I’d much rather this: getting a winger and playing the big 3C, rather than a medicore 3C. I think this approach is wrong, and I bet its not what they do. Get another winger or 2 from various sources

  82. GMB3 says:

    godot10: The return for Petry doesn’t much factor into this.The Oilers gave up a D entering his prime for stupid reasons.The entire failure of thefranchise for the last 15 years is pretty much trading and giving up on players entering their prime, creating a sustaining a donut hole in the roster with few players on the roster in their prime years between 25 and 29.

    Stoll, Greene, Torres, Pitkanen, Petry, Hall, Eberle…and there are more.

    Klefbom and Nurse are basically irreplaceable at the moment unless another GM were to make a massive blunder.

    Klefbom and Nurse are critical to the McDavid and Draisaitl cluster.Really only Broberg has a chance of displacing on of them and only in the medium term.

    Trading Jack Johnson won LA a few cups.

  83. Greenberg says:

    Some really nickle-dime points, lest we get trolled into new myths:

    1) It is not the dreaded 2-for-1 trade we fear; it’s the 3-for-1.

    2) We hosted the 1995 draft. Not our turn until around 2027. And hosting doesn’t guarantee better choices (says that right there in Confucius).

    3) Bet your Bippy Kenny knew about the dearth of Oilers forward prospects at the draft. But he once had Lidstrom and that dreamy thought translated into the Broberg pick. I would make the point that “our” blog will be less restless about the forwards come next September.

    Back to your regular programming.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Larsson will be ready to play for Thursday – can’t wait to have him back.

    I can’t see Benning coming out of the lineup as good as he’s been but I can’t see Jones sitting in the pressebox either……

    Jones/Benning kind of in a battle for a lineup spot.

    I don’t see coach taking out Kris Russell – I’d be enthused with a Jones/Benning 3rd pairing but also am just fine with Russell at 3LD and we lose something without him.

  85. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Wilde:
    People need to stop abstracting about what a “top-six” forward is and look at the third player on the Edmonton Oilers’ top line.

    Agreed. This IMHO is what “balance” looks like. Complementary skill sets on each line and throughout the line up.

  86. S1R_McJesus_the_1st says:

    How important is defensive depth going forward? To me, Larsson is exactly the kinda guy you want on your playoff team… but is he enough to make Nurse a luxury? someone that could be dealt just before he gets his big payday to fill a hole elsewhere?

    Does a deal like Nurse to TO, for a quality second-line winger + make any sense?

    Can we simply slide in Larsson for Nurse? Or is that just too risky going forward?

    I’d like to think Bear could play with Larsson just as effectively.

    Are we all just hoping for a deal that starts with 6 from Nurse, then keep Larsson as well?

  87. PennersPancakes says:

    S1R_McJesus_the_1st,

    I think youd want to consider the 3 year age gap and skating skill set. Larsson has one season past this one then he will have to be upped. He may not get a substantial raise but at 4.167 hes gonna get something.

  88. Professor Q says:

    Greenberg:
    Some really nickle-dime points, lest we get trolled into new myths:

    1) It is not the dreaded 2-for-1 trade we fear; it’s the 3-for-1.

    2) We hosted the 1995 draft. Not our turn until around 2027. And hosting doesn’t guarantee better choices (says that right there in Confucius).

    3) Bet your Bippy Kenny knew about the dearth of Oilers forward prospects at the draft. But he once had Lidstrom and that dreamy thought translated into the Broberg pick. I would make the point that “our” blog will be less restless about the forwards come next September.

    Back to your regular programming.

    He might have even wanted:

    1) Dach
    2) Seider
    3) Broberg

    In terms of where we were drafting.

  89. Professor Q says:

    S1R_McJesus_the_1st,

    I don’t think Toronto has room for even the thought of Nurse.

  90. Bad Seed says:

    Greenberg,

    Is Hakan Anddrsson still Detroit’s head scout? Since Holland obviously was in on the Detroit scout meetings before he left, I’ve got to think that Andersson was pretty high on Broberg. Considering his track record, that’s good enough for me to think Broberg has high upside.

  91. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: Miro Heiskanen disagrees.

    Indeed. 23 points in 30 games in his 18 year-old season.

    But one outlier does not a trend make or disprove.

    Lidstrom

    17: Not in SEL
    18: 2 points
    19: 16 points
    20: 23 points

    Hedman

    17: 4 points
    18: 21 points

    Klingberg

    18: 5 points in SEL, 1 point in Swe-1
    19: 5 points in Mestis, 3 points in SM-liiga
    20: 4 points
    21: 13 points
    22: 28 points

  92. who says:

    Professor Q:
    S1R_McJesus_the_1st,

    I don’t think Toronto has room for even the thought of Nurse.

    They do if they trade Nylander for him.

  93. Hankster says:

    Wilde: Is that not 90-95% of traditional sports media?

    I get the no love lost for MSM. Very often they deserve barbs being thrown at them. Sportsnet firing Kypreos, Maclean and shannon should have happened a long time ago given their lack of contributions. Maybe the MSM doesn’t employ enough talent and skill on their “roster”

    I was questioning the “formula” for winning championships. So many here are building a presidents award winners. Whereas the Stanley cup winner can be the barely squeaked into the playoffs LA Kings or the last place by xmas St Louis Blues. Not many would have built a team like the Blues last year. While 100% of posters here and the MSM were fawning over the Tampa Bay’s lineup.

  94. Munny says:

    who: They do if they trade Nylander for him.

    Lol… and where do the Oilers find cap space for Nylander?

  95. dessert1111 says:

    Jones coming up and playing well again makes it a lot easier to trade someone pretty much anytime now.

    Ideally Russell, but someone else if the return is there.

    Having Jones, Lagesson and Persson all in the AHL is a lot – all are young and can play in the NHL now and will theoretically only get better.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    If the Condors figure out the powerplay I wouldn’t be surprised to see Yamamoto go supernova for a couple dozen games.

    The PP has been quite disappointing overall for the season.

    I hope, at some point, the coaches put all the “real prospects” on to the first until as oppossed to the prospects and veterans mixed. I don’t need to see Malone and Cave on PP1.

    I’d like to see a unit of:

    Bouchard, Benson, Yamamoto, Marody, Currie.

    No offence to Joe G., Malone, Cave, Jurco, Day but they can be the second unit.

    In my opinion.

  97. who says:

    Munny: Lol… and where do the Oilers find cap space for Nylander?

    Let me be clear. I don’t think the Oilers should make the trade but it would be easy to make it cap neutral for both teams. Both this year, and
    moving forward.
    Nylander for Nurse, Gagner and Granlund would be close. Wouldn’t it?
    If we are paying Nurse 7 million next year the salaries would be the same moving forward as well.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:
    – The forward prospects are a bunch of meh IMO.Kailer really needs to be scoring at an elite level, kicking the sh$t out of the AHL the best player on his team for months in a row if he is to be projected as a winger that plays with skill.We will see.But he wouldn’t get much in a trade for him right now: he’s not very highly rated.Time to step up.

    I personally don’t project Kailer as a higher end top 6 scorer.

    I project him as an “all-tools” middle six player with skill that: is a pis-cutter and tenacious and causes turnovers and draws penalties, penalty kills, has skill skill and production and is a PP2 guy. Can also move up to top 6 for an injury fill-up or when Tippett wants to switch it up.

    That is the role that he’s currently playing in the Bake – for the most part.

    With that said, even though his linemates are kind of blah, I would like to see him get closer to a PPG in the AHL.

  99. jtblack says:

    “Pisscutter” is my new Favorite term

    thank you LT Blog for adding this to my vocab

  100. Wilde says:

    Hankster: While 100% of posters here and the MSM were fawning over the Tampa Bay’s lineup.

    That’s just not true and I’ll have to dig but I posted sometime before the season about STL winning the West while being a fan/student of Tampa Bay, these things are not binary and it’s fundamentally untrue that people need to focus /more/ on narratives of interpersonal dynamics on teams and such, that is basically the entirety of a hundred years of sports writing

  101. jtblack says:

    who: Let me be clear. I don’t think the Oilers should make the trade but it would be easy to make it cap neutral for both teams. Both this year, and
    moving forward.
    Nylander for Nurse, Gagner and Granlund would be close. Wouldn’t it?
    If we are paying Nurse 7 million next year the salaries would be the same moving forward as well.

    why would Leafs do that deal?

    I dont think Nurse has a ton of Value outside Edm

  102. PennersPancakes says:

    jtblack: I dont think Nurse has a ton of Value outside Edm

    Young, amazing skater, good box cars, mean streak. Could be under team control for a long time.

  103. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – That’s why I am so optimistic on this year’s team.They are just a hot streak or winger in the system call-up, or trade away from this:3Cs,scoring more distributed to go around, and load up McD and Drai when need be, from being just fire…

    – The 3C’s: McD, Drai, RNH is the path to cup IMO: just need a winger or two more.I’d much rather this: getting a winger and playing the big 3C, rather than a medicore 3C.I think this approach is wrong, and I bet its not what they do.Get another winger or 2 from various sources

    I’ve been beating this drum since preseason.

    Would LOVE to see Kreider here.

    Kreider McD Kass
    Jurco/Nygard/Benson Drai Neal
    Khaira Nuge Chiasson
    Haas Sheahan Archibald

    Not sure what it would take to acquire him, and then only if we know he’d re-sign here, which is a big if, I’m sure.

  104. Munny says:

    who: Let me be clear. I don’t think the Oilers should make the trade but it would be easy to make it cap neutral for both teams. Both this year, and
    moving forward.
    Nylander for Nurse, Gagner and Granlund would be close. Wouldn’t it?
    If we are paying Nurse 7 million next year the salaries would be the same moving forward as well.

    It can be done, but TO would have to want to take the dog’s breakfast along with the gourmet entrée.

    I’m not sure they would be willing to do that at this point in their season and where they stand… or without further payment,

    (Although we don’t have a lot of experience with how Dubas would work in this regard. He seems to have under-valued Dmen thus far in his GMing career).

    But I do agree with you… it’s not a trade I would advocate either.

  105. jtblack says:

    PennersPancakes: Young, amazing skater, good box cars, mean streak. Could be under team control for a long time.

    Let me re-phrase.
    @ $7 Mil per not sure how many teams would give up a top forward like Nylander for Nurse.

  106. Munny says:

    S1R_McJesus_the_1st: Can we simply slide in Larsson for Nurse? Or is that just too risky going forward?
    I’d like to think Bear could play with Larsson just as effectively.
    Are we all just hoping for a deal that starts with 6 from Nurse, then keep Larsson as well?

    Nurse and Larsson play different positions so we can’t just slide in one for the other.

    Bear and Larsson play the same positions, so will not be played together.

  107. Darth Tu says:

    PennersPancakes: Young, amazing skater, good box cars, mean streak. Could be under team control for a long time.

    That sounds like a good reason for us to sign him here. I’d rather have Nurse than Nylander.

  108. Side says:

    jtblack: why would Leafs do that deal?

    I dont think Nurse has a ton of Value outside Edm

    Really? I feel like Nurse is always being included in rumored trade deals going to the other team.

    And he possesses that grit/intangibles that a lot of teams still cling to the idea of, especially in a playoff environment.

    GMs probably look at Nurse dumping Perry on the ice during the last game and needed to see a doctor after 4 hours.

  109. PennersPancakes says:

    jtblack: Let me re-phrase.
    @ $7 Mil per not sure how many teams would give up a top forward like Nylander for Nurse.

    Agh. More than fair when you consider contract details. I think many teams would still view that fair, especially if its a 7/8 year deal where the back half would be very good value likely. Trying to find a trade partner to fit all the requirements gets difficult for sure though.

  110. PennersPancakes says:

    Darth Tu: That sounds like a good reason for us to sign him here.I’d rather have Nurse than Nylander.

    Yeah id like to keep him here. Worst (best) case scenario if he gets usurped by Broberg, Jones, or Samorukov then consider moving him then? For now hes been able to eat big minutes with a rookie and look mostly good with it too.

    I wont lie, his connection to Drai and McDavid does sway me a bit too. Obviously those guys want to win but keeping them happy would be in the back of my mind if I was Holland. Only pull the trigger if its a clear win.

    Seeing Persson get sent down has me feeling all tingly inside. Maybe not Tuesday but we have to be close to seeing:

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russell-Benning

    That has to be the best defensive line up this team has seen in years.

  111. ArmchairGM says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.: I’ve been beating this drum since preseason.

    Would LOVE to see Kreider here.

    KreiderMcD Kass
    Jurco/Nygard/Benson Drai Neal
    Khaira Nuge Chiasson
    Haas Sheahan Archibald

    Not sure what it would take to acquire him,and then only if we know he’d re-sign here, which is a big if, I’m sure.

    I’d like to see Kreider here too, but I’m pretty sure I don’t want to pay their ask for him. He’s like a more skilled Kassian with better defensive awareness. Although he isn’t having a great year so far (35.11 xGF%), so maybe that ask comes down a bit…

  112. Victoria Oil says:

    Coiler:
    Cory Schneider placed on waivers. Ouch.

    This team had a lot of potential going into the season and they never gained any traction.

    When I was preparing for my fantasy draft this year, I counted at least 10 Devils forwards with a decent shot to score 15+ goals if they stayed healthy.

    I thought they (along with the Canes) had a great off season and would be strong playoff contenders this year. My bad.

  113. PennersPancakes says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d like to see Kreider here too, but I’m pretty sure I don’t want to pay their ask for him. He’s like a more skilled Kassian with better defensive awareness. Although he isn’t having a great year so far (35.11 xGF%), so maybe that ask comes down a bit…

    Krieder-Nuge-Neal would actually be a respectable second line. Only have to worry about the 20 minutes when line 1 & 2 arent out and its not special teams.

    Will Krieder be worth his next contract? I wonder what Evolved has his projected FA at? I really enjoy the player and think he would be a great fit for the next couple seasons, just get scared when said player will be 29.

  114. pts2pndr says:

    McSorley33: Yep – 13 points in 11 games for the 18 year old Zegras

    Of note one is playing Zegras and Caufield are playing university hockey while Broberg is playing against professionals. I would submit that quality of competition for Broberg is slightly higher.

  115. Cassandra says:

    Not a chance the Leafs trade Nylander for Nurse. He’s been their 2nd best player this year.

    Trading top forwards for middle pair D is how to permanently down grade your lineup.

    On a team that is struggling Nylander has a 58% GF (+5) and is scoring 2.51 Pts/60.

    There is no way Nurse gets you someone as good as Nylander.

  116. Munny says:

    Victoria Oil,

    Coach has to be in a spot of bother in Joisey.

  117. who says:

    Munny: It can be done, but TO would have to want to take the dog’s breakfast along with the gourmet entrée.

    I’m not sure they would be willing to do that at this point in their season and where they stand… or without further payment,

    (Although we don’t have a lot of experience with how Dubas would work in this regard.He seems to have under-valued Dmen thus far in his GMing career).

    But I do agree with you… it’s not a trade I would advocate either.

    Yeah I don’t know which team says no and I’m not advocating for the trade. I just think it’s easily doable if both teams want Nurse for Nylander.
    The dogs breakfast doesn’t really matter to Toronto because those salaries are gone after this year. They just balance the cap hits for this year.

  118. ArmchairGM says:

    PennersPancakes: Krieder-Nuge-Neal would actually be a respectable second line. Only have to worry about the 20 minutes when line 1 & 2 arent out and its not special teams.

    Will Krieder be worth his next contract? I wonder what Evolved has his projected FA at? I really enjoy the player and think he would be a great fit for the next couple seasons, just get scared when said player will be 29.

    Four years at $5.45M, which is pretty reasonable IMO. Almost exactly what Nyquist got last summer.

    For sure he’s a target of mine next summer, I’m just not sure I want to pay rental prices on him – especially since they’re talking about a 1st+. If they really like JP and Kreider agrees to re-sign, then we have a starting point for discussions. Our 1st should be off the table, however.

  119. ArmchairGM says:

    pts2pndr: Of note one is playing Zegras and Caufield are playing university hockey while Broberg is playing against professionals. I would submit that quality of competition for Broberg is slightly higher.

    Significantly higher, I would think.

  120. PennersPancakes says:

    ArmchairGM: Four years at $5.45M, which is pretty reasonable IMO. Almost exactly what Nyquist got last summer.

    For sure he’s a target of mine next summer, I’m just not sure I want to pay rental prices on him – especially since they’re talking about a 1st+. If they really like JP and Kreider agrees to re-sign, then we have a starting point for discussions. Our 1st should be off the table, however.

    That all sounds very appealing. Hope Holland can pull it off. Agreed on the first, unless its part of a package for a legitimate long term solution it should be off the table.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Practice Today:

    29-97-44
    Khaira-Gagner-Neal
    Nygard-Haas-Chiasson
    Granlund/Russell-Sheahan-Archibald

    Coach confirmed just a maintenance day for Nuge – he’ll play tomorrow and Gagner just filled in for him today.

    Larsson won’t play tomorrow but will be on the trip and it sounds like Thursday is likely the day.

    Big fan of moving Khaira back up on the Nuge line:

    1) he’s been playing great the last few games and has had success with Nuge in the past (10 games or so last year and the two earlier this year), and

    2) it moves Neal back to the right side.

    Perfect lines for me!

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Puljujarvi has been held off the scoresheet just once in the past 14 games. He’s 10-8-18 +17 (20-3!!) in that span.

    Gotta love the consistency with which he puts up points.

  123. Munny says:

    who: Yeah I don’t know which team says no and I’m not advocating for the trade. I just think it’s easily doable if both teams want Nurse for Nylander.
    The dogs breakfast doesn’t really matter to Toronto because those salaries are gone after this year. They just balance the cap hits for this year.

    Well that’s where we do disagree… I think at this point in the season, the season still matters to the Leafs.

  124. treevojo says:

    Cassandra:
    Not a chance the Leafs trade Nylander for Nurse.He’s been their 2nd best player this year.

    Trading top forwards for middle pair D is how to permanently down grade your lineup.

    On a team that is struggling Nylander has a 58% GF (+5) and is scoring 2.51 Pts/60.

    There is no way Nurse gets you someone as good as Nylander.

    Fun fact

    Since Willy’s first game last year till now he has registered one more point then Nurse in that time frame.

  125. Munny says:

    Eric Francis says the Flames need an injection of heart…

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-need-injection-heart-team-still-treading-water/

    I thought we injected them this past summer?

    lol

  126. treevojo says:

    Munny:
    Eric Francis says the Flames need an injection of heart…

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-need-injection-heart-team-still-treading-water/

    I thought we injected them this past summer?

    lol

    Oh Kenny did!!!

    But that kind of injection won’t take.

  127. who says:

    Munny: Well that’s where we do disagree… I think at this point in the season, the season still matters to the Leafs.

    I think you are misunderstanding my post.
    I’m not saying the Leafs are giving up on the season. I’m saying IF, they think Nurse for Nylander is a fair trade, and IF, they want to make that trade, it’s pretty easy to balance the cap hits for this season with expiring contracts.
    If you think the Leafs want more value than Nurse for Nylander, or if you think the Leafs want the extra cap space this year plus Nurse for Nylander, then it’s no longer about just Nurse for Nylander.

  128. Munny says:

    who,

    And I think you are misunderstanding my point. Taking on dross with Nurse really limits the Leafs this season. They would essentially be giving up on the playoffs. And I don’t seem them at that point right now. Cap balancing won’t be their strategy.

    Edit: unless it’s for useful players. #hockeytrade

  129. SwedishPoster says:

    To make a further point regarding Broberg’s lack of points with his third helper this weekend he’s tied for fifth among all players under 19 in the SHL. Leading this group is 2020 draftee Alexander Holtz with 6 pts. You rarely see big totals for this age group, especially D.
    And I’d argue it’s tougher for younglings than just a few years ago because there’s such a focus on pace, checking all over the ice and structure that it’s become such a difficult league to get by on skill and talent alone.
    Ville Leskinen who was second in scoring last season in the finnish league was let go by Färjestad just two months into the season because he couldn’t adapt quickly enough to the SHL.

    There was an interview with Broberg on one of sweden’s hockey sites before saturday’s game. Don’t have time to translate the whole thing but the gist of it was that he loves it in Skellefteå, ”it was completely the right decision to come here”, he’s getting more and more comfortable at the higher level of the SHL game, biggest difference is structure, passing, everyone is more skilled and you get punished more when making mistakes (he then went on to get punished on a mistake that lead to a GA on saturday). He follows the Oilers, is ofc impressed by McDrai, the org made a good impression on him in dev camp and the facilities were great. He’s also well aware of how special the oilers history is. He’s glad the team is doing well so far, in particular because people in Edmonton really love their hockey so he’s happy for them.
    He was also humble enough to not take a spot on the wjc team for granted despite it being a given if he’s healthy.

    The article also mentioned his strong corsi and his underlying stats being stronger than his scoring totals. That’s the quick summary.

    While on the topic of Oiler prospects in Skellefteå Filip Berglund has been moved into the top 4 the last few games, imo well deserved, over former Nashville prospect and NHL/AHL tweener Petter Granberg. It also means BroBerglund is no longer a thing. Instead Broberg plays with aforementioned Granberg, who’s a strong ricikiboxer and a much worse puckmover than Berglund. Not necessarily a bad thing as that should mean Broberg is tasked with more of the puckmoving which should be good from a developmental perspective. It will also mean he’ll risk getting hemmed in more since Berglund is really good at quickly getting the puck up ice when under pressure so it might hurt his corsi a bit if they play together longer.

  130. Reja says:

    treevojo: Fun fact

    Since Willy’s first game last year till now he has registered one more point then Nurse in that time frame.

    I don’t get all the hype for Nylander and what he brings for his price tag, plus his mom hates Edmonton almost as much as Jesse’s girl.

  131. PennersPancakes says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Where do you think Berglund and Broberg end up playing next year? Do the Oilers sign Berglund, should they?

  132. who says:

    Munny:
    who,

    And I think you are misunderstanding my point.Taking on dross with Nurse really limits the Leafs this season. They would essentially be giving up on the playoffs.And I don’t seem them at that point right now.Cap balancing won’t be their strategy.

    Edit: unless it’s for useful players. #hockeytrade

    All right.
    Then you are talking about Nurse plus 4 million in cap space this year for Nylander. That’s not the trade I was talking about.
    The Leafs, in their present form, are already limited this season re cap space. Nurse, with some dross added, for Nylander does not change their cap situation.

  133. Munny says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Awesome update as per always.

  134. defmn says:

    SwedishPoster:
    To make a further point regarding Broberg’s lack of points with his third helper this weekend he’s tied for fifth among all players under 19 in the SHL. Leading this group is 2020 draftee Alexander Holtz with 6 pts. You rarely see big totals for this age group, especially D.
    And I’d argue it’s tougher for younglings than just a few years ago because there’s such a focus on pace, checking all over the ice and structure that it’s become such a difficult league to get by on skill and talent alone.
    Ville Leskinen who was second in scoring last season in the finnish league was let go by Färjestad just two months into the season because he couldn’t adapt quickly enough to the SHL.

    There was an interview with Broberg on one of sweden’s hockey sites before saturday’s game. Don’t have time to translate the whole thing but the gist of it was that he loves it in Skellefteå, ”it was completely the right decision to come here”, he’s getting more and more comfortable at the higher level of the SHL game, biggest difference is structure, passing, everyone is more skilled and you get punished more when making mistakes (he then went on to get punished on a mistake that lead to a GA on saturday). He follows the Oilers, is ofc impressed by McDrai, the org made a good impression on him in dev camp and the facilities were great. He’s also well aware of how special the oilers history is. He’s glad the team is doing well so far, in particular because people in Edmonton really love their hockey so he’s happy for them.
    He was also humble enough to not take a spot on the wjc team for granted despite it being a given if he’s healthy.

    The article also mentioned his strong corsi and his underlying stats being stronger than his scoring totals. That’s the quick summary.

    While on the topic of Oiler prospects in Skellefteå Filip Berglund has been moved into the top 4 the last few games, imo well deserved, over former Nashville prospect and NHL/AHL tweener Petter Granberg. It also means BroBerglund is no longer a thing. Instead Broberg plays with aforementioned Granberg, who’s a strong ricikiboxer and a much worse puckmover than Berglund. Not necessarily a bad thing as that should mean Broberg is tasked with more of the puckmoving which should be good from a developmental perspective. It will also mean he’ll risk getting hemmed in more since Berglund is really good at quickly getting the puck up ice when under pressure so it might hurt his corsi a bit if they play together longer.

    I read a summary of that interview in English that also said something about him spending another season with the team if he was unable to crack Edmonton’s lineup. Was that in the story or just a bad translation?

    Thanks.

  135. Side says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Thank you for this.

    On the topic of not taking things for granted, you are one of the posters on this site where I am glad you post this kind of content on LT’s site, because if you had your own site, I would have to go there as well.

    Gotta love the LT community.

  136. Munny says:

    who,

    It actually does change their situation in the immediate because you may have to carry those players on the roster to have the same cap effect as Nylander, which likely means better players not on the roster…. and, more importantly, they are at 49 contracts already, creating a second predicament after taking on the two extra contracts to balance the cap (as you have suggested). They would need to divest at least another player, if not two… meaning we’re now taking on minor leaguers they don’t want.

    There might be a way around the first problem, but it would present difficulties and could easily create a situation where they’re not icing the forward set they want to.

    The second almost certainly means the trade doesn’t happen.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    I hope they give Broberg another year in Sweden. Sounds like they are developing him well so let them keep developing him

  138. Munny says:

    who: Then you are talking about Nurse plus 4 million in cap space this year for Nylander.

    No I’m not. I never proposed a trade. You did. I’m talking about the likelihood of a trade of Nurse for Nylander in consideration of where the Leafs presently are and the pragmatic issues such a trade would present to them… and us.

  139. Oilman99 says:

    who: They do if they trade Nylander for him.

    Nylander is a primadona, not sure he’s not part of the problem in TO, we need a grittier type of player.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB: Cole Caufield is a nearly a goal per game in the NCAA, Zegras is doing well…

    High hopes for Broberg, with his skating ability his ceiling should be high, but his #’s aren’t awe inspiring

    He could put up 5 points for the season and I’d be happy with those numbers.

    To play full time in the SHL and get close to 15 min a game as an 18 year old, and a young 18 year old (not 19 until the summer) – that is FANTASTIC.

    Very very few d-men put up any numbers as 18 year olds in the SHL – even those that become top NHL d-men.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu: It’s really hard to get a gauge on young D playing in men’s leagues though – especially when those leagues are in Europe on the bigger ice.I have high hopes that Broberg will work out well and will be a vital cog in the Edmonton machine for many years.

    I’m not fully sure how it works for NCAA players, but could he in theory go to Montreal next year? Or is he likely to stay in College? If so what a pickup by Montreal.

    Depend on if he wants to leave college early and turn pro (likely) and partially on if the Habs think he’s “ready”. Given what he’s doing as a freshman in the NCAA, I would think they sign him – in fact, they may even sign him after the college season is done and put him in the lineup late in the year – would burn a year of his ELC instantly but it happens with the higher end college players (i.e. Quinn Hughes).

    If he turns pro, even as a teenager, he’ll be eligible for the AHL next year.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Very much looking forward to seeing Bear flourish when given the same treatment that Makar and Hughes are getting: offensive push, sheltered top-4 with increased PP opportunities.

    He’s already ahead of Makar in every shot-based metric and I imagine his GF% will rise while Makar’s falls, as he’s on a superheater right now.

    Bear clearly isn’t as dynamic offensively as Makar (and two years older) but, yes, Bear’s overall metrics vis-a-vis Makars’ are interesting.

    The tough minutes Bear is playing are real and substantial.

  143. McSorley33 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    To make a further point regarding Broberg’s lack of points with his third helper this weekend he’s tied for fifth among all players under 19 in the SHL. Leading this group is 2020 draftee Alexander Holtz with 6 pts. You rarely see big totals for this age group, especially D.
    And I’d argue it’s tougher for younglings than just a few years ago because there’s such a focus on pace, checking all over the ice and structure that it’s become such a difficult league to get by on skill and talent alone.
    Ville Leskinen who was second in scoring last season in the finnish league was let go by Färjestad just two months into the season because he couldn’t adapt quickly enough to the SHL.

    There was an interview with Broberg on one of sweden’s hockey sites before saturday’s game. Don’t have time to translate the whole thing but the gist of it was that he loves it in Skellefteå, ”it was completely the right decision to come here”, he’s getting more and more comfortable at the higher level of the SHL game, biggest difference is structure, passing, everyone is more skilled and you get punished more when making mistakes (he then went on to get punished on a mistake that lead to a GA on saturday). He follows the Oilers, is ofc impressed by McDrai, the org made a good impression on him in dev camp and the facilities were great. He’s also well aware of how special the oilers history is. He’s glad the team is doing well so far, in particular because people in Edmonton really love their hockey so he’s happy for them.
    He was also humble enough to not take a spot on the wjc team for granted despite it being a given if he’s healthy.

    The article also mentioned his strong corsi and his underlying stats being stronger than his scoring totals. That’s the quick summary.

    While on the topic of Oiler prospects in Skellefteå Filip Berglund has been moved into the top 4 the last few games, imo well deserved, over former Nashville prospect and NHL/AHL tweener Petter Granberg. It also means BroBerglund is no longer a thing. Instead Broberg plays with aforementioned Granberg, who’s a strong ricikiboxer and a much worse puckmover than Berglund. Not necessarily a bad thing as that should mean Broberg is tasked with more of the puckmoving which should be good from a developmental perspective. It will also mean he’ll risk getting hemmed in more since Berglund is really good at quickly getting the puck up ice when under pressure so it might hurt his corsi a bit if they play together longer.

    Excellent update – thank you.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Im on the boat that they bring Broberg and Berglund over to the AHL next season, especially as a pairing. I think they have to sign Berglund or lose his rights?

    Lowe will be gone and Day is definitely a lesser prospect. So even if Bouchard stays in the AHL there space for the both of them. Although if they can get serious reps in Sweden that doesnt sound too bad either. Neither should play in the NHL next year anyways/

    Berglund’s SHL contract finally expires after this season and, yes, hopefully they are able to sign him and bring him over.

    Just this weekend there was an interview with Broberg and he talked about how great things are going with Skelfeeta and with his ice time and how happy he is with the decision to stay. He mentioned he may stay next year as well. Of course, as they did this year, that decision will be made in conjunction with the Oilers but a second year in the SHL isn’t uncommon and may be the best choice. It may not, the AHL may be the better choice but, as of now, there is no “right answer” and its far from determined.

    Yup, Day is indeed a lesser prospect – he’s not a “real prospect” in my opinion – all but zero chance at being an NHL player or even getting a game.

    They have another year to sign Kemp after this one but there is a chance they may want to get him under contract and to the AHL – I’d be so happy – need to sign him.

  145. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    SwedishPoster:
    To make a further point regarding Broberg’s lack of points with his third helper this weekend he’s tied for fifth among all players under 19 in the SHL. Leading this group is 2020 draftee Alexander Holtz with 6 pts. You rarely see big totals for this age group, especially D.
    And I’d argue it’s tougher for younglings than just a few years ago because there’s such a focus on pace, checking all over the ice and structure that it’s become such a difficult league to get by on skill and talent alone.
    Ville Leskinen who was second in scoring last season in the finnish league was let go by Färjestad just two months into the season because he couldn’t adapt quickly enough to the SHL.

    There was an interview with Broberg on one of sweden’s hockey sites before saturday’s game. Don’t have time to translate the whole thing but the gist of it was that he loves it in Skellefteå, ”it was completely the right decision to come here”, he’s getting more and more comfortable at the higher level of the SHL game, biggest difference is structure, passing, everyone is more skilled and you get punished more when making mistakes (he then went on to get punished on a mistake that lead to a GA on saturday). He follows the Oilers, is ofc impressed by McDrai, the org made a good impression on him in dev camp and the facilities were great. He’s also well aware of how special the oilers history is. He’s glad the team is doing well so far, in particular because people in Edmonton really love their hockey so he’s happy for them.
    He was also humble enough to not take a spot on the wjc team for granted despite it being a given if he’s healthy.

    The article also mentioned his strong corsi and his underlying stats being stronger than his scoring totals. That’s the quick summary.

    While on the topic of Oiler prospects in Skellefteå Filip Berglund has been moved into the top 4 the last few games, imo well deserved, over former Nashville prospect and NHL/AHL tweener Petter Granberg. It also means BroBerglund is no longer a thing. Instead Broberg plays with aforementioned Granberg, who’s a strong ricikiboxer and a much worse puckmover than Berglund. Not necessarily a bad thing as that should mean Broberg is tasked with more of the puckmoving which should be good from a developmental perspective. It will also mean he’ll risk getting hemmed in more since Berglund is really good at quickly getting the puck up ice when under pressure so it might hurt his corsi a bit if they play together longer.

    Thanks SP!
    Could you please give a brief comparison of Berglund and Persson?

  146. Reja says:

    Oilman99: Nylander is a primadona, not sure he’s not part of the problem in TO, we need a grittier type of player.

    Josh Anderson in Columbus 6 foot 3 weighs 225 and is 25 years old in his last year of his contract. I thought for sure he was a mainstay in Columbus and would have resigned for multiple years by now. He only has 1 goal 1 assist in 13 games so something is going on, JP plus a draft pick or a young D, if he’s getting traded I would be all over this player. He skates like the wind and can wire the puck, scores 30-35 playing with Mcdavid.

  147. who says:

    Munny:
    who,

    It actually does change their situation in the immediate because you may have to carry those players on the roster to have the same cap effect as Nylander, which likely means better players not on the roster….and, more importantly, they are at 49 contracts already, creating a second predicament after taking on the two extra contracts to balance the cap (as you have suggested).They would need to divest at least another player, if not two… meaning we’re now taking on minor leaguers they don’t want.

    There might be a way around the first problem, but it would present difficulties and could easily create a situation where they’re not icing the forward set they want to.

    The second almost certainly means the trade doesn’t happen.

    Sigh.
    This is hard.
    1st problem. Why can’t the Leafs just bury Gagner and Granlund in the minors if they’re not good enough to make the Leafs?
    2nd problem. Why can’t the Oilers take 2 crap minor leaguers back from the Leafs 50 man roster to even out the 50 man roster counts? What’s the difference to the Oilers between major leaguers they don’t want and minor leaguers they don’t want?

  148. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Holland’s take on Bro was if you can draft a D that size with that speed you do it.

    Maybe he doesn’t end up with the O that Makar and Hughes do, but he also will have no problem with big forwards if he so chooses. Skating better than Nurse with offensive instincts. Of course not as mean, but what a set up left side someday.

    I foresee the future D looking like

    Broberg Bear
    Nurse Bouchard
    Lagesson Berglund

    6 puck movers. The third pair isn’t fast but not hopefully slow and has a range of ability, and maybe can be kept over time bcs cap. If someone pushes in there even better, a quality trade chip.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: Cory Schneider traded for (#9 pick)Bo Horvat …. That was a big win for Van …..

    That was a trade that worked out great for both teams.

    Schineder was elite for a number of years for Jersey.

    Given ages, “we” knew that, if the Nucks hit on the draft pick, the value going their way would last longer but Jersey got great value as well.

    This is a lesson against signing goalies for term.

  150. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I am also in love with Pageau. I don’t like Woodguy’s seconds but since he always gets mine it’s fair.

    This time.

    The Oilers have needed a RS centre that can play toughs and win a faceoff in forever. He is also a scorer first going by his stats line, which means he is a good compliment for the playmaking wingers the Oilers always seem to end up with.

    He’s pretty small, but given the success in the hard minutes he’s got the jam to do it.

    Could be the difference maker Kenny. With health better than the last run, goalies needing to step up.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    As an aside, the fourth round pick the Oilers got in the Petry trade was used to draft Caleb Jones.

  152. who says:

    Munny: No I’m not. I never proposed a trade. You did.I’m talking about the likelihood of a trade of Nurse for Nylander in consideration of where the Leafs presently are and the pragmatic issues such a trade would present to them… and us.

    Just to clarify.
    You need to re read this thread but I’ll summarize.
    Someone (not me) suggested trading Nurse to the Leafs.
    Someone else said the Leafs couldn’t fit Nurse under the cap.
    I responded by saying they could if they traded Nylander for him (both this year and moving forward).
    Someone else said the Oilers couldn’t take on Nylanders contract this year.
    I said they could if they included some expiring contracts to the Leafs (happens all the time)

    I never endorsed the trade. I just said it was pretty easy to do if both teams wanted to do it.

    If you are going to quote me please include my whole post instead of 1 sentence. Makes it a lot easier to establish context.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as adding a 2nd line or middle six forward to this roster, lets not forget WG’s blog on Benson and his comparables – the majority of his comparbles played a good portion of their 2nd pro years in the AHL but then made the jump to the NHL and, while they didn’t blow the doors off in the NHL in that year, they did become serviceable/solid 2nd line and middle six forwards.

    If I remember correctly.

    Tyler Benson is likely to be added to the roster at some point this year and, while he is unlikely to produce at a 55 point pace, could solidify the middle six with some more skill and production.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    3 Oiler D ‘listed over 6’1’

    Those are Larsson Klef Nurse, the best 3 currently.

    My point being it’s a long road as a short for position D in the NHL. More so than forward I think because of how important reach is to defending especially entries.

    Any stature can make it and be an elite player, but it’s fighting odds, and the winners are almost always burners or hockey geniuses.

  155. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    3 Oiler D ‘listed over 6’1’

    Those are Larsson Klef Nurse, the best 3 currently.

    My point being it’s a long road as a short for position D in the NHL. More so than forward I think because of how important reach is to defending especially entries.

    Any stature can make it and be an elite player, but it’s fighting odds, and the winners are almost always burners or hockey geniuses.

    Bear is doing great but is defying odds through hard work and natural skill.

  156. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bear clearly isn’t as dynamic offensively as Makar (and two years older) but, yes, Bear’s overall metrics vis-a-vis Makars’ are interesting.

    The tough minutes Bear is playing are real and substantial.

    The goal against Dallas was fantastic and telling. We seen Bear with the ability to sneak in and finish, if he picks his spots offensively which I believe is coming as he gets more comfortable. Once he gets more PP time and with him jumping in the rush why not 15-20 goals this of course after he signs a 5 year friendly contract.

  157. godot10 says:

    Reja: The goal against Dallas was fantastic and telling. We seen Bear with the ability to sneak in and finish, if he picks his spots offensively which I believe is coming as he gets more comfortable. Once he gets more PP time and with him jumping in the rush why not 15-20 goals this of course after he signs a 5 year friendly contract.

    If one is willing to sign Bear for five, then one should sign him for eight, for cap management purposes. Those three extra UFA years can be bought cheaper now.

    Good players under 25 should be signed for as long as possible. Good players 29 and older should be signed for as short as possible.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    Not a chance the Leafs trade Nylander for Nurse.He’s been their 2nd best player this year.

    Trading top forwards for middle pair D is how to permanently down grade your lineup.

    On a team that is struggling Nylander has a 58% GF (+5) and is scoring 2.51 Pts/60.

    There is no way Nurse gets you someone as good as Nylander.

    but, but, but it wasn’t just Nurse, it was Nurse plus Gagner and Granlund – G squared!

  159. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: If one is willing to sign Bear for five, then one should sign him for eight, for cap management purposes. Those three extra UFA years can be bought cheaper now.

    Good players under 25 should be signed for as long as possible.Good players 29 and older should be signed for as short as possible.

    5 will be cheaper for the team and better for the player. I know we should be heartless and screw the players over whenever possible… I just don’t see Bear going for 8 years and I think there’s too much risk in it for the Oilers: Bear will have just 1 year of NHL track record, that’s not enough to properly project an 8-year deal IMO.

  160. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: but, but, but it wasn’t just Nurse, it was Nurse plus Gagner and Granlund – G squared!

    Why not throw in Chiasson too to make it really attractive for the Leafs.
    You can never have too many fourth line plugs.

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  162. Pescador says:

    Harpers Hair: Why not throw in Chiasson too to make it really attractive for the Leafs.
    You can never have too many fourth line plugs.

    No you can’t, especially when you’re depth is so poor that you have to use them to backfill the top 6.
    The key is to not overpay these plugs to the tune of $14M,
    let’s say over 4 years just for fun.
    Or whatever Erickson is getting paid to sit in the pressbox

  163. Pescador says:

    godot10: If one is willing to sign Bear for five, then one should sign him for eight, for cap management purposes. Those three extra UFA years can be bought cheaper now.

    Good players under 25 should be signed for as long as possible.Good players 29 and older should be signed for as short as possible.

    I’m happy to go with a longer term contract for Ethan Bear,
    But why do I have to do it after such a small sample size?
    Can’t we wait until game 82?

  164. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bear clearly isn’t as dynamic offensively as Makar (and two years older) but, yes, Bear’s overall metrics vis-a-vis Makars’ are interesting.

    The tough minutes Bear is playing are real and substantial.

    You may want to check their comparative XGF and XGA.
    Bear is negative and Makar is well into positive territory.
    That is reflected in their plus/minus.
    Bear is -3.
    Makar is +7.

    Of course, Makar has 22 points in 20 games while Bear has 7 points in 22 games.

    While Bear plays tougher minutes, there is zero evidence that Makar couldn’t also handle those minutes with aplomb.

    Makar has the luxury of being insulated by Erik Johnson but’s it’s not unreasonable to think Makar may very soon be #1RD.

    As much as I like Bear, and have said so, Makar is at a whole other level.

    The scary thing for the AVs opponents is that Bowen Byram may be even better than Makar.

  165. SwedishPoster says:

    PennersPancakes:
    SwedishPoster,

    Where do you think Berglund and Broberg end up playing next year? Do the Oilers sign Berglund, should they?

    Berglund needs to be signed this season or they let him go, imo they should sign him as I think he’s a guy with more quality than he’s getting credit for and imo might benefit greatly from a change of scenery as he’s been in Skellefteå since he was just a kid. His style imo is a better fit on smaller ice as well. Don’t know how the Oilers group are thinking, they seem to stay in touch at least. If they sign him I see him playing a full year in the AHL before contending for an NHL spot.
    I think Broberg could end up anywhere from an NHL spot to the AHL or staying with Skellefteå. He’s young so things could move really fast but if I were to guess I think he stays in the SHL for one more year. Competition for spots with the Oil is tough, he doesn’t really need a new challenge like Berglund does and the SHL is a better league than the AHL.

    defmn: I read a summary of that interview in English that also said something about him spending another season with the team if he was unable to crack Edmonton’s lineup. Was that in the story or just a bad translation?

    Thanks.

    He made a comment about staying if he didn’t crack the lineup but I read it more like he’d be fine with staying another year, not that the AHL isn’t an option, he did say he’s in no rush. I think it depends on where he’s at next year and what he feels most benefit his development.

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Thanks SP!
    Could you please give a brief comparison of Berglund and Persson?

    Very different players. I compared Berglund to Brent Burns stylewise in juniors but in the SHL he’s changed into a defense first D who’s shown flashes of that offensive potential. But at this point more of defensive D who passes the puck well and has a strong shot. Persson is more of an offensively minded guy, more creative, smaller, Berglund is 6’3 and pretty sturdy, Persson also has a sort of unorthodox style, he didn’t come through any of the bigger clubs junior system so he’s not as ”classically schooled” and plays a lot by ear, using his hockey sense, we haven’t really seen that in the NHL yet, I hope this AHL spell can give him the comfort he needs to play his own game.

    Persson has had the stronger SHL career to date without a doubt but Berglund imo is better suited for the NHL and has shown spurts where he’s a dominant SHL player. He’s also a better defensive player. Berglund’s big issue is that he has a tendency to mental lapses during games, he stops moving his feet at times and his first couple of steps while constantly improving still needs work. The last part is what might get in the way of an efficient NHLer but I think it’s less of an issue when he keeps his feet moving, he plays better when the pace is high which bodes well for translating to smaller ice.

    For another comparison. When Berglund and Lagesson both played in the SHL playoffs 2018 Berglund was clearly the better player of the two. And the org seems pretty happy with Lagesson.

  166. Harpers Hair says:

    Pescador: No you can’t, especially when you’re depth is so poor that you have to use them to backfill the top 6.
    The key is to not overpay these plugs to the tune of $14M,
    let’s say over 4 years just for fun.
    Or whatever Erickson is getting paid to sit in the pressbox

    Yes, Loui Eriksson is absolutely germaine to a discussion about he the Leafs and the Oilers.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    ScungilliSlushy:
    Holland’s take on Bro was if you can draft a D that size with that speed you do it.

    Maybe he doesn’t end up with the O that Makar and Hughes do, but he also will have no problem with big forwards if he so chooses. Skating better than Nurse with offensive instincts. Of course not as mean, but what a set up left side someday.

    I foresee the future D looking like

    BrobergBear
    Nurse Bouchard
    Lagesson Berglund

    6 puck movers. The third pair isn’t fast but not hopefully slow and has a range of ability, and maybe can be kept over time bcs cap. If someone pushes in there even better, a quality trade chip.

    Don’t sleep on Phil Kemp for the 3RD spot and, if we are looking that far down the line, Michael Kesserling.

  168. Munny says:

    who: Just to clarify.
    You need to re read this thread but I’ll summarize.
    Someone (not me) suggested trading Nurse to the Leafs.
    Someone else said the Leafs couldn’t fit Nurse under the cap.
    I responded by saying they could if they traded Nylander for him (both this year and moving forward).
    Someone else said the Oilers couldn’t take on Nylanders contract this year.
    I said they could if they included some expiring contracts to the Leafs (happens all the time)

    I never endorsed the trade. I just said it was pretty easy to do if both teams wanted to do it.

    I don’t disagree and have not disputed any of that. The disagreement is that you think balancing the trade would be simple, I don’t. Just because it has happened before does it make it work for every case. JMO. Yours is yours.

    If you are going to quote me please include my whole post instead of 1 sentence. Makes it a lot easier to establish context.

    I will quote the way I think necessary to the conversation.

  169. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to check their comparative XGF and XGA.
    Bear is negative and Makar is well into positive territory.

    I get that you hate the Oilers, but lying doesn’t help your case.

    Bear: 53.29 xGF%
    Makar: 52.55 xGF%

    Bear is similarly ahead in CF%, FF%, SF% and HDSC% – and he’s positive in all these metrics. Makar is negative in CF and FF, and his rels are even less impressive. He’s riding a 1.047 PDO, whereas Bear is saddled with a 0.963 PDO.

  170. Pescador says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes, Loui Eriksson is absolutely germaine to a discussion about he the Leafs and the Oilers.

    I’ll buy some of the freezer burnt meat you’re selling,
    Trashing Oiler players is not part of any intelligible discussion,
    And yet here you are

  171. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: I get that you hate the Oilers, but lying doesn’t help your case.

    Bear: 53.29 xGF%
    Makar: 52.55 xGF%

    Bear is similarly ahead in CF%, FF%, SF% and HDSC% – and he’s positive in all these metrics. Makar is negative in CF and FF, and his rels are even less impressive. He’s riding a 1.047 PDO, whereas Bear is saddled with a 0.963 PDO.

    I’ll just leave this here.
    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bearet01.html

  172. treevojo says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes, Loui Eriksson is absolutely germaine to a discussion about he the Leafs and the Oilers.

    POT MEET KETTLE

  173. Side says:

    I’ve noticed Makar has been brought up on this forum a lot lately.

    Why? Did I miss some Oilers connection?

  174. verdad2.0 says:

    Tomorrow night’s game will b another illustration that Nurse has to be traded asap if any value is to be extracted from and fix the Oilers intrinsic problem of lack of quality skilled forwards.
    Toronto and Winnipeg beckon.
    Trade him.

  175. Munny says:

    Side:
    I’ve noticed Makar has been brought up on this forum a lot lately.

    Why? Did I miss some Oilers connection?

    Purple airplane of the Mo–, I mean, Flavour of the Month. When you have no loyalty and can play the field, switching lovers on a capricious whim, you're nothing more than a philandering degenerate.

    Fortunately, we all know DSF well enough that his professed admiration for any GM, team, player… has the same meaning and credibility as a philanderer stating. "I'm in love… this time, it's for real."

  176. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Thank you for your keen insights SwedishPoster

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: The goal against Dallas was fantastic and telling. We seen Bear with the ability to sneak in and finish, if he picks his spots offensively which I believe is coming as he gets more comfortable. Once he gets more PP time and with him jumping in the rush why not 15-20 goals this of course after he signs a 5 year friendly contract.

    Why not? Well, because, in my opinion, he’s not that dynamic offensively – he’d not in the category of the players that produce at those levels.

    In each of the last two years, 1 d-man scored 20 so I think we can both agree that’s not realistic.

    Last year, 7 d-men scored 15. The previous year it was quite a few more, 15 I think but it was literally all very established veteran career high scoring d-men (Josi, Hedman, PIeterangelo, etc.

    Its not that I don’t think Bear can’t put up 10G/35 points, he can if he gets PP time but, in my opinion, he’s not in the class of a Makar as far as dynamic offence goes. Lets not forget, Makar is 20 and this is his rookie pro season, not just rookie NHL season. He’s an elite talent.

  178. Munny says:

    Ducks probably need a miracle to come back against the Caps. Yotes with the early lead over the Kings

  179. Yeti says:

    verdad2.0:
    Tomorrow night’s game will b another illustration that Nurse has to be traded asap if any value is to be extracted from and fix the Oilers intrinsic problem of lack of quality skilled forwards.
    Toronto and Winnipeg beckon.
    Trade him.

    Close your eyes and I’ll kiss you, tomorrow I’ll miss you.

  180. pts2pndr says:

    dessert1111:
    Jones coming up and playing well again makes it a lot easier to trade someone pretty much anytime now.

    Ideally Russell, but someone else if the return is there.

    Having Jones, Lagesson and Persson all in the AHL is a lot – all are young and can play in the NHL now and will theoretically only get better.

    So how you figure playing well again. In his first 17 NHL games last year he was minus 9.

  181. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as adding a 2nd line or middle six forward to this roster, lets not forget WG’s blog on Benson and his comparables – the majority of his comparbles played a good portion of their 2nd pro years in the AHL but then made the jump to the NHL and, while they didn’t blow the doors off in the NHL in that year, they did become serviceable/solid 2nd line and middle six forwards.

    If I remember correctly.

    Tyler Benson is likely to be added to the roster at some point this year and, while he is unlikely to produce at a 55 point pace, could solidify the middle six with some more skill and production.

    Doesn’t seem like Benson has NHL boots though.

    I think if he makes it, his likely upside is a playmaking Brodziak.

    That’s nice to have, but 50+ points might be asking a bit much out of Benson.

    Hope the OIlers use their 1st on a center this season.

  182. JimmyV1965 says:

    Would love to get someone like Coleman. Acquisition cost should be reasonable too.

  183. jp says:

    SwedishPoster,

    <3

    That's for both you and Broberg.

    Seriously though, very much appreciate the updates.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    f

    HarpersHair: Why not throw in Chiasson too to make it really attractive for the Leafs.
    You can never have too many fourth line plugs.

    because he’s headed to the Habs in the Danault trade – french Canadian = high value.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: You may want to check their comparative XGF and XGA.
    Bear is negative and Makar is well into positive territory.
    That is reflected in their plus/minus.
    Bear is -3.
    Makar is +7.

    Of course, Makar has 22 points in 20 games while Bear has 7 points in 22 games.

    While Bear plays tougher minutes, there is zero evidence that Makar couldn’t also handle those minutes with aplomb.

    Makar has the luxury of being insulated by Erik Johnson but’s it’s not unreasonable to think Makar may very soon be #1RD.

    As much as I like Bear, and have said so, Makar is at a whole other level.

    The scary thing for the AVs opponents is that Bowen Byram may be even better than Makar.

    I’m not sure what your point is.

    I was speaking to the the metrics posted by a poster showing that Bear may be a bit undervalued – I never once said he was anywhere close to the same level as Makar and have been quite consistent, in this and previous threads, that Makar is in a class of his own.

  186. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Just this weekend there was an interview with Broberg and he talked about how great things are going with Skelfeeta and with his ice time and how happy he is with the decision to stay. He mentioned he may stay next year as well.Of course, as they did this year, that decision will be made in conjunction with the Oilers but a second year in the SHL isn’t uncommon and may be the best choice.It may not, the AHL may be the better choice but, as of now, there is no “right answer” and its far from determined.

    Broberg was drafted by Hamilton (OHL) in the import draft. Given his age, isn’t next years choice again SHL/NHL/CHL? (that is, he will still not be eligible to play in the AHL).

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    Zack Kassian is 5th in the NHL in 5 on 5 points……

  188. jp says:

    Reja: Josh Anderson in Columbus 6 foot 3 weighs 225 and is 25 years oldin hislast year of his contract.Ithought for sure he was a mainstay in Columbusand would have resigned for multiple yearsby now. He only has 1 goal 1 assist in 13 games so something is going on, JP plus a draft pick or a young D,if he’s getting traded I wouldbe all over this player. He skates like the wind and can wire the puck, scores 30-35 playing with Mcdavid.

    I realize a players history is far from a perfect predictor of the future. And the man has 17, 19 and 27 goals in his 3 full NHL seasons.

    But did you realize he only scored 27 goals in his best OHL year (and he never reached a point per game in jr). And he scored 25 goals in 111 career AHL games.

    Having your actual career high in goals happen in the NHL can’t be too common. Crazy stuff.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Ducks probably need a miracle to come back against the Caps. Yotes with the early lead over the Kings

    I do believe the Oilers will be battling the Yotes for the division – like the Oilers, I agree with HH that, that Yotes are for real.

  190. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Zack Kassian is 5th in the NHL in 5 on 5 points……

    But 3rd on the Oilers, right?

    Armchair I think mentioned the other day that he’s top 20 in the NHL since January 2019. Incredibly impressive no matter who he’s played with.

    Give the man a contract!

  191. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I do believe the Oilers will be battling the Yotes for the division – like the Oilers, I agree with HH that, that Yotes are for real.

    3-0 Coyotes halfway through the second period.

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts&pndr: So how you figure playing well again. In his first 17 NHL games last year he was minus 9.

    I agree, 100%, that a couple of solid games this year does is not sufficient enough support to posit that Jones is now legit and incumbents should be traded.

    With that said, Jones did fair quite well during the first part of his call up player 3RD with Gravel but struggled when moved to the tough minutes playing left side with Larsson and, as we know, Larsson really struggled last year and everyone struggled with him.

  193. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    f

    because he’s headed to the Habs in the Danault trade – french Canadian = high value.

    lol, nice!

  194. jp says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I am also in love with Pageau. I don’t like Woodguy’s seconds but since he always gets mine it’s fair.

    This time.

    The Oilers have needed a RS centre that can play toughs and win a faceoff in forever. He is also a scorer first going by his stats line, which means he is a good compliment for the playmaking wingers the Oilers always seem to end up with.

    He’s pretty small, but given the success in the hard minutes he’s got the jam to do it.

    Could be the difference maker Kenny. With health better than the last run, goalies needing to step up.

    Pageau’s NHL stats prior to this season:

    368-63-79-142 (0.385 PPG)

    82-14-18-32

    Very nice player.

    Do NOT pay for the 40 goal 60 point pace!!

  195. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: I do believe the Oilers will be battling the Yotes for the division – like the Oilers, I agree with HH that, that Yotes are for real.

    Can’t disagree. I said the very same to a Flames fan before their recent game. They’ve been a revelation. As has our team.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    BankShot: Doesn’t seem like Benson has NHL boots though.

    I think if he makes it, his likely upside is a playmaking Brodziak.

    That’s nice to have, but 50+ points might be asking a bit much out of Benson.

    Hope the OIlers use their 1st on a center this season.

    Not being a “plus skater” does not preclude a player from being a solid top 6 producer.

    Yes, of course, plus skating helps but its not a pre-requisite.

    James Neal scored alot of goal in his NHL career without great boots.

    Shit, Chiasson scored 22 goals last year with bad boots.

    Benson has other attributes that could very well push him in to a top 6 player – his skill, his hockey IQ, his work ethic, etc.

    Nope, would not expect a 55 point pace this season, maybe not ever, but he also could become that player.

  197. Munny says:

    Monday Night Football has just mentioned a contender for a nickname for our first line (in reference to the KC Chiefs)…

    “The Legion of… Zoom.”

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Broberg was drafted by Hamilton (OHL) in the import draft. Given his age, isn’t next years choice again SHL/NHL/CHL? (that is, he will still not be eligible to play in the AHL).

    This was discussed in length and in detail this past off-season and, although I was never 100% convinced, as the research was not without ambiguity, the general consensus is AHL eligible.

    I believe the organization has expressly spoke to AHL potential for next season (not that that is official confirmation but I trust Holland and his team to know this stuff).

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