2019-20 Game 47: Oilers at Flames

I used to live in Red Deer, and some of that time featured the glory days of the Oilers-Flames rivalry. Rod on one radio channel, Peter Maher on the other. Television: ITV, 2&7.

I was in my 20’s, the Oilers were too. I loved them. Beyond fun. Name a player, he did something worth watching. Vicious? That was one guy’s nickname. Crazy? Pretty sure, although no one had the nerve to have No. 11 tested.

Flames looked and acted like a bunch of thugs and I hated them. I remember listening to a game while driving down Gaetz Avenue, looked down and realized I was speeding from rage. Thank goodness no police clocked me. I’d get too riled up to sleep at night, that’s the truth.

The current rivalry is just percolating and we don’t know the quality yet, but there is some promise. Tonight’s game is a Saturday Damnation edition and the Oilers are coming off a poor performance December 27 in Edmonton. Back in the 1980’s, I’d be distracted by 10am, rumbling by 2pm and shaking by 6pm. I’d love to see those days again.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • New Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Mike Smith stars in Oilers victory, but others’ struggles could prompt changes
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Minnia Feng: Zamboni Ursula: What if Oilers fans could change something in the team’s past?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: ‘That’s the nicest goal I’ve ever seen’: Connor McDavid’s teammates amazed by his latest effort
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers notebook: James Neal’s resurgence, Matt Benning’s injury and the Tyler Benson recall temptation
  • Lowetide: Oilers farmhands are pushing hard for NHL jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS AFTER 47 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 19-23-5, 43 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 25-15-7, 57 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 21-23-3, 45 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 23-21-3, 49 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 24-17-5, 53 points; goal differential -2

This year’s model is clearly No. 2 among the McDavid Oilers but remains in the range with the playoff crew. I’m impressed with how much tightening we’ve seen in recent games in the goal differential. Work to do but nice progress.

ON THE 10’S

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Current 10 games: 4-1-1. 

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-4-0, two points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in January 2019: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in January 2020: 3-0-1, seven points; goal differential +4

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: BUF, BOS, TOR, MTL, CAL (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 3-0-1)
  • At home to: NAS, ARI, CAL, STL (Expected 1-2-1)
  • Overall expected result: 3-4-2, eight points in nine games
  • Current results: 3-0-1seven points in four games

Insane. Heresy. Liar! Impossible! These are things someone who left the country New Year’s Eve might saw when viewing this January record for the Oilers. This team hit some famous towns and robbed them of their silver and gold. Can they do it tonight?

OILERS 2019-20

Oilers roll into this game having used two goalies, 10 defensemen and 17 forwards. I was fairly certain we’d be at about 35 by now overall, haven’t yet cracked 30. I do think Tyler Benson has to be close though. No one can deny the impact of Kailer Yamamoto, why not send yourself another potential Red Bull?

CONDORS 2019-20

Hell’s a poppin’ in California these days, several Oilers prospects are spiking in the last little while. Tyler Benson is 1-11-12 in his last eight games, Evan Bouchard is 3-3-6 in his last eight, Stuart Skinner is 3-1-0, 2.22, .941 in his last four starts. Benson is the only one I can see being recalled from the trio, but there are some nice things happening in Bakersfield. Word is Bouchard is getting better in coverage too, perhaps the best news of all.

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  1. BONE207 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Larsson is controller disconnected this game

    Bluetooth has a range of about 5 meters. He needs to be closer to the puck or stick his antenna up somebody’s ass

  2. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I’d like to see Larsson headman the puck like that more often.

  3. OilClog says:

    Ice Sage:
    If the Oil had drafted Seguin…

    Chicks from Kingsway would be holding signs against the glass?

  4. Gerta Rauss says:

    Talbot was Tal-bot on that one

    Neal robbed

  5. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry, can’t please everyone.

    I didn’t bring the player up.

    I haven’t constantly brought him up for four years and, constantly from November until he was traded, and still.

    Your dislike of Hall and Koskinen is well documented
    You don’t need to keep repeating yourself

  6. Gerta Rauss says:

    Kassian taking it out on Tkachuk but I think Oilers are going to be short handed here

  7. BONE207 says:

    Kass starting the lawnmower…woohoo

  8. jp says:

    Tkachuk wins.

    Shit.

  9. Ice Sage says:

    Atta boy Kass

  10. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    LOVE IT

  11. LMHF#1 says:

    Don’t mind that for 1 second.

    Bout time people start taking that approach. Watching that wimp run was rather satisfying.

  12. StixMalone says:

    Turtle master….

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    4 min to Kassian

    shit

    *edit-and a 10 min misconduct if I heard the PA correctly

  14. leadfarmer says:

    Wtf is that Kassian
    That was a selfish penalty

  15. russ99 says:

    Kill the penalties. That cheapshoting punk deserved it.

  16. SK Oiler Fan says:

    I’m fine with that. Tkafuk has much worse than that coming to him

  17. Darth Tu says:

    leadfarmer,

    Tkachuk threw an elbow to Kassian’s head. That should be a 2 game ban minimum.

    Selfish reaction, but I did enjoy seeing Tkachuk getting rag dolled.

  18. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t like TkaCooke
    But that’s going to cost him a few games

  19. Younger Oil says:

    Isn’t that the exact kind of hit the league is trying to get out of the game?

    Player tied up in a seperate battle, vulnerable, unable to protect himself against a hit.

    The fact that that’s the first penalty in the game is an absolute fucking crime imo. The first Tkachuk hit on Kassian was a suspendable offense and went uncalled, good for him for taking it into his own hands if the refs aren’t.

  20. Ice Sage says:

    Nope Kassian did the right thing. Oilers may lose this game because of it but Douchechuk will be deterred in the future. Even 97 got a hit in!

  21. StixMalone says:

    Nuge is agitated big time…

  22. Darth Tu says:

    League has to throw the book at Tkachuk for that.

  23. jp says:

    leadfarmer:
    Wtf is that Kassian
    That was a selfish penalty

    Yup.

    Achieved nothing.

    Tkachuk is feeling pretty good about the whole interaction I imagine.

  24. Reja says:

    leadfarmer:
    Wtf is that Kassian
    That was a selfish penalty

    Whatever

  25. norm_klassen says:

    Tkachuk wins he takes a beating and gets his team a power play. He dont care whether he looks like a coward he owns real estate in the Oilers minds

  26. Todd Macallan says:

    Darth Tu,

    He is somehow immune for his behavior, I do not get it.

  27. LMHF#1 says:

    Younger Oil:
    Isn’t that the exact kind of hit the league is trying to get out of the game?

    The league has never penalized guys like Tkachuk, Clutterbuck, Darcy Tucker and others who play like cowardly children and wouldn’t have lasted a game in previous decades. They’d have their teeth pounded in, and rightly so, in the first game.

    These cheap shot babies should be routinely suspended…but essentially never are.

  28. Darth Tu says:

    Todd Macallan,

    Marchand mark 2?

  29. BONE207 says:

    Kass could have restrained & used the 3rd to continually exact revenge on that puke but a penalty kill may turn the tide. Battle of Alberta needs some anger.

  30. Reja says:

    norm_klassen:
    Tkachuk wins he takes a beating and gets his team a power play. He dont care whether he looks like a coward he owns real estate in the Oilers minds

    Ok you stick to being a coward wins the day.

  31. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    3-3 tie (1-1 in the second)
    23-17 Calgary shots (11-6 Calgary)
    47-30 Calgary Corsi five on five (21-14 Calgary in the second)
    ==

    Flames are the better team on the night but the scoreboard is the only thing that counts. Kassian can’t take that penalty, but once he did 44 got his money’s worth. I’m a little surprised he didn’t get five and a game.

  32. LMHF#1 says:

    I think Kassian did restrain himself.

    Shoulda cross-checked him in the neck.

  33. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Wtf is that Kassian
    That was a selfish penalty

    Not at all.

  34. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Tkafuk won’t get any discipline for either hit. Kas needs to tighten up his chin strap and it doesnt look so bad.
    Doesn’t change the fact he is targeting guys in vulnerable positions and there needs to be a response to that. He will need to be hurt bad before he backs off of those tactics.
    If this game swings the wrong way a couple goals I’m predicting Kass is committing a suspendable offense

  35. StixMalone says:

    The problem is Tkachuck does this to every team and it gets in their heads….pick your revenge and do it good …..

  36. Reja says:

    LMHF#1:
    I think Kassian did restrain himself.

    Shoulda cross-checked him in the neck.

    It’s to bad he didn’t connect that would have slowed down slew foot for a few months.

  37. Lowetide says:

    A reminder that rumors that have no links will be deleted and comments about public figures will be deleted immediately. Please follow the site rules. Thanks

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    Reja: It’s to bad he didn’t connect that would have slowed down slew foot for a few months.

    Where’s modern Messier when you need him? Or Dave Brown?

    Different methods – both work.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      I think this era actually needs a modern version of Gordie Howe.

      Take a number, bide your time, and let that phantom elbow come out of nowhere with the refs none the wiser.

  39. leadfarmer says:

    jp: Yup.

    Achieved nothing.

    Tkachuk is feeling pretty good about the whole interaction I imagine.

    That’s exactly the response from Kassian Tkacooke wanted
    And that’s exactly the response from the refs TkaCooke wanted.
    Getting under Kassians skin got them a 4 min pp

  40. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ovi, Marchand, Panarin, Landeskog, Huburdeau, Tkachuk – just off the top of my head.

    Not arguing he’s the #2 LW in the game, but he’s scored more than a number of these guys. I’d put him in the middle of the group, personally.

    65 point seasons:
    Ovechkin 13
    Marchand 3
    Panarin 4
    Landeskog 2
    Huberdeau 2
    Tkachuk 1
    Hall 3 (plus 50 points in 45 games during the 48 game lockout season)

    80 point seasons:
    Ovechkin 8
    Marchand 3
    Panarin 2
    Landeskog 0
    Huberdeau 1
    Tkachuk 0
    Hall 2 (plus the lockout shortened one)

  41. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    LMHF#1:
    I think Kassian did restrain himself.

    Shoulda cross-checked him in the neck.

    Good thing the refs stepped in or Tkachuck might be missing most of his Tkachicklets. I’ve seen dog toys put up more of a fight.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Aghhh, shots at my disease because I respond to comments about Hall – comments that have been repeated over the span of four years – if they aren’t made, they aren’t responded to. One would think the vitriol goes both ways but I guess not.

    I would LOVE Taylor Hall on the Oilers – it made zero sense to me to acquire him for the asset cost and it makes no sense to me sign him for his 30s.

  43. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:
  44. Derek says:

    “Whats in this water?”

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Deficit is on Kassian.

  46. Gerta Rauss says:

    And guess who screening Koskinen

    ffs

  47. LMHF#1 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Good thing the refs stepped in or Tkachuck might be missing most of his Tkachicklets. I’ve seen dog toys put up more of a fight.

    It would solve the cheap shot baby problem very quickly if the linesmen didn’t defend these guys. They shouldn’t. The game would be safer.

  48. tcho says:

    And PP goal.

  49. leadfarmer says:

    And Kassians stupidity is going to cost us the game

  50. Gerta Rauss says:

    I don’t know how that stayed out

    *edit-post and out

  51. BONE207 says:

    Our 6’7″ goalie needs to stop those wristers from the right wing. Especially when they are whizzing by his ear.

  52. Derek says:

    Put Alex Chiasson on Mcdavids wing, might as well lay down and die.

  53. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Oiler wingers have been mostly terrible at getting in Flames D shooting lanes

  54. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I was talking about Larsson, how the asset returned for Hall is broken and its a shame as the trade was a heavily lost since the day it happened. Not a word was mentioned about acquiring him and signing him to his 30’s, you misread my comment, named 13 dudes off the top of your head and here we all are.

    Sleep in the bed you’ve made or sleep on floor, either way is fine.

  55. OilClog says:

    Derek,

    Poetry

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund for Lowe and Bouchard

    Kulevich from Esposito and Day

    Condors tie then take the lead in the third.

  57. gogliano says:

    Congrats to the Flames for playing clean, penalty free hockey to this point.

  58. jp says:

    I’m glad we did not just witness a Lucic breakaway lol

  59. delooper says:

    That’s the fastest I’ve ever seen Lucic move.

  60. Lowetide says:

    Also, personal comments about someone’s habits, background, condition or orientation are also unacceptable. If you want to say hateful things, start your own blog. Please and thanks.

  61. SK Oiler Fan says:

    gogliano:
    Congrats to the Flames for playing clean, penalty free hockey to this point.

    No kidding. A festivus miracle

  62. RandyRanderson says:

    leadfarmer,

    I am fine with Kassian’s rebuttal on Tkachuk, even if we lose the game. Allowing the Flames to take liberties with their physical play and intimidation (especially after the whistle) isn’t going to help the team in the long term.

    It would have been preferred if the officials had called some penalties to keep the game in check – but they seem to want to encourage this emotional BOA, they want the fights to take place. Unfortunately, Tkachuk isn’t the kind of player that defends himself… he prefers to antagonize and then hide… which I think makes the game worse.

  63. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Granlund for Lowe and Bouchard

    Kulevich from Esposito and Day

    Condors tie then take the lead in the third.

    Goooood. Go Condors!

  64. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Fk me, Talbot not looking like the last Talbot. Typical. Oilers been making goalies look good for a decade

  65. BONE207 says:

    Hey!!!

    It’s bad etiquette to reply to your own comments

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto, doing what he does, drawing penalties. Easy call.

  67. jp says:

    Yamamoto draws one!

    Had to call it I guess cause it caused an icing.

  68. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Bad call

  69. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Granlund for Lowe and Bouchard

    That’s a terrible trade

  70. Gerta Rauss says:

    Yam fry draws a penalty..kinda lame(ish) but we’ll take it

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      It was painfully clearly interference.

      I wish they’d call some of the other painfully clear calls while they’re at it.

  71. stephen sheps says:

    2 observations:

    1) how on earth did Tkachuk not get a penalty at all on that exchange?

    2) how on earth was he also left wide open in front of the net screening Mikko on the pp? Watching that sequence seeing Russell going down into snow angel mode to block the shot rather than attempting to take the net-front screen out is the type of play that will never stop infuriating me.

    End rant.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Please rant more often.

      Also, any thoughts on Bushmills as an entry level Irish whisky that’s not Jameson?

      • stephen sheps says:

        Nothing wrong with Bushmills. It’s a classic triple distilled Irish, easy drinking, great price point as well. I prefer RedBreast 12 to both, however, but if you’re not wanting to break the bank, you could do much worse than Bushmills

        • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

          Redbreast is an excellent dram; so far, my favourite Irish whisky. It’s also more for special occasions.

          I was looking to have something on hand for a nice Irish coffee or when I don’t quite feel inclined toward a nip of Auchentoshan. Thanks for the info.

    • LMHF#1 says:

      I keep getting excited for Benning’s return because maybe, just maybe, Tippett is a smart enough Coach to realize that Russell is at best his 7th defenceman. Probably my closer to 9th.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie back to the point to Kulevich over to Day and an absolute bomb for a 4-2 lead.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    VEG shut out – there is that…..

  74. BONE207 says:

    Now that Kass is rested, look for a double shift or two for the tying goal

  75. BONE207 says:

    Larsson vs Lucic…epic

  76. Nit64 says:

    stephen sheps:
    2 observations:

    1) how on earth did Tkachuk not get a penalty at all on that exchange?

    2) how on earth was he also left wide open in front of the net screening Mikko on the pp? Watching that sequence seeing Russell going down into snow angel mode to block the shot rather than attempting to take the net-front screen out is the type of play that will never stop infuriating me.

    End rant.

    Suspect if they gave chuk a penalty Kassian would have got a major and a minor.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cave from Joe G in to the empty net and the Condors lead by 3.

  78. tcho says:

    Have the Oilers scored a goal with their goalie pulled yet this year? Maybe we’re due.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Efffing Kassian.

  80. Gerta Rauss says:

    ffs

  81. jp says:

    The Flames did an impressive job protecting that lead.

    Disappointing loss.

  82. tcho says:

    Well, in perspective, that’s still one heck of a road trip and a good effort on the last game of a long, tough road trip.

  83. LMHF#1 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Efffing Kassian.

    You’re joking…

    That’s not how sports works.

  84. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Efffing Kassian.

    How much are you advocating he gets paid now?

  85. Offside says:

    Prediction: within 2 years, Tkachuk will get beaten up so bad, the NHL will be under immense pressure to ban fighting

  86. JOFA says:

    I fucking HATE that kid!!!!! Should have drafted him 😉

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1: You’re joking…

    That’s not how sports works.

    Not even a little bit.

    It would have been a stupid play by Zack even if it wasn’t a repeat of two years ago.

    The only “message that sends” is that Tkachuk can continue to draw powerplays and help his team win games – he does that all the time.

    • LMHF#1 says:

      One goal at the beginning of the third period in a game where you’ve not taken advantage of chances or gotten leads, and mustered nothing in the third doesn’t decide a game.

      You’re smarter than that OP.

      They had no excuse for not getting at least 2 in the third, and Russell, as usual, not defending at a key moment.

  88. tileguy says:

    Who is tonight’s biggest goat?
    4
    44
    74

    • BONE207 says:

      74 unfortunately. His 2 gaffes resulted directly in a goal. Overall, cowtown played better.
      End of January back to back will be legendary.

    • stephen sheps says:

      4. The snow angel on the PK rather than attempting to box out the screen was one of the worst defensive mistakes I’ve seen in a long time, but it’s the same mistake that Russell continuously makes. When you go down to block a shot, it means you’re never in a position to actively defend and always scrambling to recover. I nearly threw my phone at the TV after that play.

  89. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Efffing Kassian.

    You did notice what he 1st line looked like with the absence of Kassian correct? Gagner and Chiasson fitting in seamlessly???….its bad enough he has to drag Neil around for 20 mins a night and then they hit him up with those 2 plugs……good god those line mates are a crime against Humanity, find this kid some help…it sickens me to watch his talent pissed down the drain

  90. Dicky94 says:

    Good game. Time to bring up Benson for the two games before the break and send Gagner down.

  91. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Offside:
    Prediction: within 2years, Tkachuk will get beaten up so bad, the NHL will be under immense pressure to ban fighting

    Nah, How many years did Matt Cooke play? It’s even easier now for this player type.
    How many actual fighting majors does he have? He’s not a willing combatant.. Turtling is easy and effective for him

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    One goal at the beginning of the third period in a game where you’ve not taken advantage of chances or gotten leads, and mustered nothing in the third doesn’t decide a game.

    You’re smarter than that OP.

    They had no excuse for not getting at least 2 in the third, and Russell, as usual, not defending at a key moment.

    What Kassian did achieved absolutely nothing positive except some personal satisfaction for Kassain and directly lead to the winning goal against.

    It sends zero message except that Tkachuk can continue to change games against the Oilers in favor of the flames – this has happened before.

  93. JOFA says:

    Dicky94:
    Good game. Time to bring up Benson for the two games before the break and send Gagner down.

    No to Benson. YES to crosschecking Tkachuk in the face. Those were the options right?

  94. SK Oiler Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: What Kassian did achieved absolutely nothing positive except some personal satisfaction for Kassain and directly lead to the winning goal against.

    It sends zero message except that Tkachuk can continue to change games against the Oilers in favor of the flames – this has happened before.

    I know what your answer will be based on your position you will continue to defend, but what if Kass connected and knocked him out cold?

  95. stephen sheps says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: I was looking to have something on hand for a nice Irish coffee or when I don’t quite feel inclined toward a nip of Auchentoshan. Thanks for the info.

    Actually given that they’re both triple distilled, you’d probably find Bushmills 10 (the single malt) pretty close to auchentoshan.

    The Bushmills original is a blend of malt and grain, just like Jameson. Really similar profiles. Likely exactly what you’re looking for. Bushmills is from the north, Jameson from Dublin.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: You did notice what he 1st line looked like with the absence of Kassian correct?Gagner and Chiasson fitting in seamlessly???….its bad enough he has to drag Neil around for 20 mins a night and then they hit him up with those 2 plugs……good god those line mates are a crime against Humanity, find this kid some help…it sickens me to watch his talent pissed down the drain

    Even more reason for Kassian not to put his team down 4 for four minutes and take himself out of the game for 14 via an act that accomplishes zero outside of personal satisfaction.

  97. JOFA says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I know what your answer will be based on your position you will continue to defend, but what if Kass connected and knocked him out cold?

    I can honestly say I’m not a huge advocate of fighting, and the cheap shit drives me nuts, but I wouldn’t even bat an eye if that kid got knocked out cold with a sucker punch or a targeted head shot. He has it coming.

  98. tileguy says:

    Perhaps we can bring JJ out of the press box and put him on a secret mission in order to earn his paycheque, naw, I’m just pissed that we lost and turtlechuck didn’t leave the game with his nose split wide open bleeding like a stuck pig. It definitely would of made for a more satisfying game.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I know what your answer will be based on your position you will continue to defend, but what if Kass connected and knocked him out cold?

    Other than potentially chaging it to 5 and a game and a suspension for Zack…..

  100. texmex says:

    From the rat himself;

    “If (Kassian) doesn’t want to get hit, then stay off the tracks. I caught him three times there – you think he’d learn after the first one. If he wants to react that way we’ll take the pp, we’ll take the game winner, & we’ll move on to first place” – Matthew Tkachuk bringing gold.

    I tend to agree with him unfortunately

  101. oilersfan says:

    So I am not clear on the rules.

    Brian Burke said it was a clean hit by Tkachuk

    However wasn’t kassian in a vulnerable position due to being engaged with another flame and his back to Tkachuk, while Kassian was close to the boards?

    Could we have a civil discussion about whether or not that was a clean hit?

    It seems to me if Kassian was already engaged and Tkachuk came at him from behind at full speed and hit him hard into the boards, even if Tkachuk did not use his elbow or target his head it is still a charge because of the speed he came at Kassian with, and because Kassian was looking the other way and close to the boards it resulted in Kassian hitting the boards with his head hard enough to knock off his helmet? Could that not be both charging and boarding? And suspendable for kassian going into the boards head first?

  102. texmex says:

    oilersfan:
    So I am not clear on the rules.

    Brian Burke said it was a clean hit by Tkachuk

    However wasn’t kassian in a vulnerable position due to being engaged with another flame and his back to Tkachuk, while Kassian was close to the boards?

    Could we have a civil discussion about whether or not that was a clean hit?

    It seems to me if Kassian was already engaged and Tkachuk came at him from behind at full speed and hit him hard into the boards, even if Tkachuk did not use his elbow or target his head it is still a charge because of the speed he came at Kassian with, and because Kassian was looking the other way and close to the boards it resulted in Kassian hitting the boards with his head hard enough to knock off his helmet? Could that not be both charging and boarding? And suspendable for kassian going into the boards head first?

    It was a clean hit IMO. Kass needs to know who’s on the ice.

    The first hit was “dirtier” IMO. In IIHF, that hit is a 5min major and a game misconduct and maybe a suspension. Is that what we’re going for?

  103. v4ance says:

    I don’t believe Haas saw the ice after the 3rd goal to tie it…like all the the remainder of the 2nd and the 3rd period. If I read the tea leaves correctly, Bear gave him a clean outlet pass. Haas was lazy and just tried to use his skate instead of putting his stick out to receive the pass cleanly.

    After the puck bounced back towards the net, Bear tried to corral it and leave it for Koskinen to put his glove down on it. Koskinen was indecisive and the Flames jumped on it for the tying goal.

    Based on that, I feel Coach Tip assigned blame to Haas for not doing the simple play….

    • Justthestatsman says:

      I think Bear shares some of the responsibility for the GA as well. Haas had to circle back. If Bear moves the puck earlier, or even to Nurse open on the other side the puck is out of the zone with no harm done.

      • v4ance says:

        I rewatched it multiple times on DTMTS. I think Bear has the least responsibility on the goal.

        One forward was at the far blueline hoping for a stretch pass and then went for the long change when the forechecker Ryan blocked that option standing in front of the net.

        Bear did have the option to send it to Nurse right away but then Nurse would have gotten Dube coming off the bench right towards him.

        Bear paused to look all over the ice to evaluate his options before going to Haas, which he felt was the safest option.

        Haas did circle back and Bear waited to send it to him on his forehand with his head up. Bear could have sent it to him earlier towards the boards on his backhand but passes have been missed when the forwards weren’t expecting it.

        Gagner came back for puck support or as a quick moving pick on Lucic so Haas could have skated past them and had a clean exit if he’d just put his stick out and taken Bear’s pass cleanly. I think that was the other reason Bear waited was to allow Gagner to help on the developing play.

        Once Ryan recovered the puck and took the shot, Bear boxed out Ryan and waited for Koskinen to freeze it but Koski never reacted and then it got banged home.

  104. oilersfan says:

    Why should it matter who is on the ice?

    Is a hit at full speed when a player ‘is engaged and his back is turned that causes him to go head first into the board so hard that his helmet falls off boarding or not? Why should it matter if Tkachuk is on the ice? Do the boarding and charging rules not apply to him?

  105. oilersfan says:

    So I just googled nhl rules for boarding…

    Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

    How is what Tkachuk did not text book boarding? And wasn’t that the third time tonight he did it? If they had called the first two this would not have had to happen

  106. SK Oiler Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Other than potentially chaging it to 5 and a game and a suspension for Zack…..

    yes agreed. Think beyond that though.

  107. Harpers Hair says:

    The faux outrage over Tkachuk is hilarious.

    Over the years, the Oilers employed several players (Linesman and Tikkanen come immediately to mind) who were not only similar but also fan favourites.

    If Chucky was an Oiler, you would all be slavering over his play.

    That Kassian was baited into losing his mind, is exactly what Tkachuk wanted.

    Mission accomplished.

    • stephen sheps says:

      You’ve known me a long time now. I’m a fairly measured, diplomatic and calm sort, but I was and still remain angry that a penalty wasn’t called on Tkachuk and really despise the way he plays the game. There is nothing fake or put on about my reaction. Having slept on it, I am still just as upset and hope the oilers submit video evidence of the first hit to the NHL to consider supplemental discipline.

      Head hunting a la Raffi Torres has no place in the game anymore and IMO that’s exactly what Tkachuk was doing – targeting specific players and pushing it right up to (and slightly over) the edge of the defined rules of the game.

      The comments from both players post-game however were ridiculous, WWE style. It’s almost farcical.

      That said, the next game between these two teams is probably going to have a similarly old-timey feel as long as the Oilers find a way to keep pace despite the loss last night. Meaningful games in the 2nd half of the season is a welcome change of pace.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    The first Tkachuk hit on Kass was worse than the second.

    The second was boderline I guess but mostly clean in my opinion – Kass had the puck, it wasn’t from behind, it didn’t hit the head.

    Either way, even if it was dirty, Kass should know that Tkachuk wants Kass to engage and he’s not going to engage back – Zack will take the penalties and it will serve zero purpose.

    We’ve had this exact scenario happen before – both times the play was material in a flames victory – the previous time in actually turned the game in their favor – a 180

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    So I just googled nhl rules for boarding…

    Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

    How is what Tkachuk did not text book boarding? And wasn’t that the third time tonight he did it? If they had called the first two this would not have had to happen

    Kassian wasn’t hit in to the boards….

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    The faux outrage over Tkachuk is hilarious.

    Over the years, the Oilers employed several players (Linesman and Tikkanen come immediately to mind) who were not only similar but also fan favourites.

    If Chucky was an Oiler, you would all be slavering over his play.

    That Kassian was baited into losing his mind, is exactly what Tkachuk wanted.

    Mission accomplished.

    This is 100% correct, in my opinion.

  111. texmex says:

    oilersfan:
    Why should it matter who is on the ice?

    Is a hit at full speed when a player ‘is engaged and his back is turned that causes him to go head first into the board so hard that his helmet falls off boarding or not? Why should it matter if Tkachuk is on the ice? Do the boarding and charging rules not apply to him?

    I wonder how you’d see this if Kassian hit cookie that exact same way and got a penalty? You’d be outraged. 2 officials, an former president of player safety think it was not a penalty. Heck even Tippett may have suggested it wasn’t a penalty with his take a number comment.

    His head was not in his helmet when it came off… or maybe it was?

  112. godot10 says:

    The refs don’t believe the hits on Kassian were that hard, because they think he is embellishing by not doing up his chinstrap, which is selfishness on Kassian’s part. He should use his effing chinstrap. His flying helmet is like a dive.

    Tkachuk identifies the weak link/mind on the opposing team and goes after him. The Tkachuk’s are genius class douchebags. They know how to go right up to the edge of impropriety. Kassian is the weak link.

    Kassian chose a stupid time to exact retribution. The playoffs are on the line. He chose his pride over the team.

  113. Harpers Hair says:

    Kassian vowing revenge on After Hours.

  114. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10:
    The refs don’t believe the hits on Kassian were that hard, because they think he is embellishing by not doing up his chinstrap, which is selfishness on Kassian’s part. He should use his effing chinstrap.His flying helmet is like a dive.

    Tkachuk identifies the weak link/mind on the opposing team and goes after him.The Tkachuk’s are genius class douchebags. They know how to go right up to the edge of impropriety.Kassian is the weak link.

    Kassian chose a stupid time to exact retribution.The playoffs are on the line.He chose his pride over the team.

    Yes.

  115. buffalobill says:

    oilersfan,

    Wasn’t the first hit on Kassian also a head shot?

  116. JimmyV1965 says:

    This team is two forwards from being very competitive. Holland needs to address this. Also, Bear needs a break. Sitting a rookie for a game or two is not punishment.

  117. buffalobill says:

    Harpers Hair,

    No , early in the game he was hit in the head and his helmet flew off

  118. Bag of Pucks says:

    I would bet there’s not a single Oiler who doesn’t appreciate Kassian taking Tkachuk out for a spin. I’m quite certain he’s one of the most hated players in the league.

    It was one thing to play like that back in the day when you knew you might have to answer the bell, but playing like that now with fighting almost wholly marginalized just means you’re a prick. I just wish Kassian could’ve rearranged his face a little more. Love that HNIC slo mo’d it between periods. Classic Canadiana.

    The Oilers had the entire period to answer back. But from poor puck control by Koskinen to poor cycle defending by the D to lack of a sustained forecheck by the Fs, there was plenty of blame to go around for this loss.

    Overall, a hugely successful road trip and this team is really rounding into shape nicely. Still not convinced on either of the tenders but hopefully they can hold it together for a playoff push.

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    Was nice to see some battle back in the Battle of Alberta too. I miss the days when hockey was, “If we can’t beat them on the ice, we’ll beat them on the streets.” Hockey is an infinitely better sport when the hard areas are exactly that.

    For all the talk of how much better the players are now, that is one area where the stars of today have it so much easier. NHL hockey used to be a fairly vicious sport until the nanny state had its say.

  120. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I would bet there’s not a single Oiler who doesn’t appreciate Kassian taking Tkachuk out for a spin. I’m quite certain he’s one of the most hated players in the league.

    It was one thing to play like that back in the day when you knew you might have to answer the bell, but playing like that now with fighting almost wholly marginalized just means you’re a prick. I just wish Kassian could’ve rearranged his face a little more. Love that HNIC slo mo’d it between periods. Classic Canadiana.

    The Oilers had the entire period to answer back. But from poor puck control by Koskinen to poor cycle defending by the D to lack of a sustained forecheck by the Fs, there was plenty of blame to go around for this loss.

    Overall, a hugely successful road trip and this team is really rounding into shape nicely. Still not convinced on either of the tenders but hopefully they can hold it together for a playoff push.

    Zack Kassian: Eff first place in the division. 10th place in the conference and out of a playoff position is preferable. And playing the Fool to Tkachuk.

  121. Bling says:

    Great game.

    Entertaining as hell.

    The answer to Tkachuk is and always will be, win the damn game.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Zack Kassian:Eff first place in the division.10th place in the conference and out of a playoff position is preferable.And playing the Fool to Tkachuk.

    Unless it happens inside the last minute, one play doesn’t decide a hockey game. They had an entire period to answer back.

    Zack Kassian didn’t make the NHL because of his exceptional ability to turn the other cheek.

    It always makes me laugh when sports fans expect more from the players than themselves. I’m pretty positive if I drilled you twice, you’d want to retaliate with extreme prejudice. They’re hockey players, not diplomats,

  123. who says:

    I have ZERO problems with Kassians play tonight. And I’m sure his teammates don’t either. Tkachuk took 3 clear runs at him. The first one, on the wrap around attempt, was probably the cleanest. The other two were charges when Kassian was engaged with another player. It seems pretty obvious he was targeting Kassian.
    Did any of you guys criticizing Kassian ever play competitive hockey?
    Tkachuk is a punk. If you are going to run around the ice looking to blindside guys you had better be willing to drop the gloves. I’d be embarrassed if I was him. And I’m glad Edmonton didn’t draft him.
    And Brian Burke is full of shit on this one. There was nothing clean about the hit that started that fight.

  124. Bling says:

    Bag of Pucks: Unless it happens inside the last minute, one play doesn’t decide a hockey game. They had an entire period to answer back.

    Zack Kassian didn’t make the NHL because of his exceptional ability to turn the other cheek.

    It always makes me laugh when sports fans expect more from the players than themselves. I’m pretty positive if I drilled you twice, you’d want to retaliate with extreme prejudice. They’re hockey players, not diplomats,

    Sure, but Kassian has hit some guys pretty hard in his career, too.

    Remember that time he broke Gagner’s jaw? If memory serves, he was laughing afterwards.

    Kassian got targeted by a better version of himself. I don’t blame him for standing up for himself, but as GoDot is arguing, there is just too much on the line. The margins are too small, and in seeking revenge out of personal frustration he put himself before the team.

  125. Bag of Pucks says:

    who,

    Yup. He’s basically Matt Cooke the sequel. Is it going take another Marc Savard severity injury before people see that?

  126. duct tape and foil says:

    You deal with young Matthew this way. Roll by the bench making chicken arms, have the crowd make chicken noises every time he steps on the ice. The guy’s ball’s would shrink into peas after a period or two of that. He’s a coward and you just have call him out as such publicly.

  127. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bling: Sure, but Kassian has hit some guys pretty hard in his career, too.

    Remember that time he broke Gagner’s jaw? If memory serves, he was laughing afterwards.

    Kassian got targeted by a better version of himself. I don’t blame him for standing up for himself, but as GoDot is arguing, there is just too much on the line. The margins are too small, and in seeking revenge out of personal frustration he put himself before the team.

    Players like a Kassian HAVE to respond to that. If he lets little turtles like Tchachuk get away with 2 or 3 shots like that a game, then the whole league sees it and will think he’s lost his edge. This is what warriors do. And believe me, the skill players like the tough guys doing this. Nobody in that dressing room is blaming Kass for the loss, nor should they.

  128. Bag of Pucks says:

    As per usual, Burke was a bit of an ass in his assessment imo. Yeah, by the letter of the law, it’s a clean hit. But Tkachuk’s MO is always the same, he comes in behind his target’s line of sight with hits that are right at the borderline of charging or hits to the head.

    Plus, Burke saying Tkachuk shouldn’t have to answer the bell for a clean hit? The old saying, “if you don’t want the horns…” applies here. Tkachuk knew who he was antagonizing all night long. Burke is criticizing Kassian for fighting a smaller player when he knows the Code is pretty much dead. In the old days, if Kassian fought Tkachuk, he’d knew he’d be fighting Lucic later in the game. But those days are dead Brian. If little Mattie doesn’t want to get rag dolled by the light heavy division, then he should only pull this crap when Milan is on the ice to protect him.

  129. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Unless it happens inside the last minute, one play doesn’t decide a hockey game. They had an entire period to answer back.

    Zack Kassian didn’t make the NHL because of his exceptional ability to turn the other cheek.

    It always makes me laugh when sports fans expect more from the players than themselves. I’m pretty positive if I drilled you twice, you’d want to retaliate with extreme prejudice. They’re hockey players, not diplomats,

    Impulse control and deferred gratification are signs of higher level awareness. The lack of the first and the inability to exhibit the other are signs of immaturity

    Tippett analyzed it correctly #TakeAnEffingNumber.

    Kassian is a loser.

  130. godot10 says:

    who:
    I have ZERO problems with Kassians play tonight. And I’m sure his teammates don’t either. Tkachuk took 3 clear runs at him. The first one, on the wrap around attempt, was probably the cleanest. The other two were charges when Kassian was engaged with another player. It seems pretty obvious he was targeting Kassian.
    Did any of you guys criticizing Kassian ever play competitive hockey?
    Tkachuk is a punk. If you are going to run around the ice looking to blindside guys you had better be willing to drop the gloves. I’d be embarrassed if I was him. And I’m glad Edmonton didn’t draft him.
    And Brian Burke is full of shit on this one. There was nothing clean about the hit that started that fight.

    The Flames are in first place. The Oilers are 10th in the conference and out of the playoffs. Lost a four point games because of stupid immaturity. on the part of a 29-year old.

    • meanashell11 says:

      I’m sorry but 10th? What standings are you looking at. I see Edmonton in 7th this morning? In God we trust, where’s your data!

  131. Bling says:

    Bag of Pucks: Players like a Kassian HAVE to respond to that. If he lets little turtles like Tchachuk get away with 2 or 3 shots like that a game, then the whole league sees it and will think he’s lost his edge. This is what warriors do. And believe me, the skill players like the tough guys doing this. Nobody in that dressing room is blaming Kass for the loss, nor should they.

    Of course no one in the room will blame him. They’re teammates after all, and over 82 games everyone in there is going to screw something up. That does not mean what Kassian did was right or justified.

    Part of being tough is knowing when to be disciplined. I don’t give two shits about Kassian’s rep and I don’t think he does, either.

    Putting your team down a man for 4 minutes with 22 minutes left in the game and messing with the first line for an additional 6 on a team that lacks depth? To settle a personal score? With first place on the line?

    Selfish.

  132. dustrock says:

    This is where you have a Steve MacIntyre on your roster. You start him first shift next game and he picks a Flame and sends him into next week.

    The funniest thing to me is that I think Kassian was restraining himself.

    Refs won’t call headshots for shit so the players do it themselves rinse and repeat, film at 11.

    If I’m out there, Tkachuk is getting a butt end in the teeth and probably a spear to the nuts at various points throughout the game.

    You need to go Full Messier. Game won’t allow it anymore; they’ll just continue to allow the headshots and do nothing and complain that the NHL is less popular than bowling in the US and wonder why.

  133. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10

    Kassian is a loser.

    Zero chance you’d have the guts to say that to his face, but if you did, I think I know who would be the loser then.

  134. buffalobill says:

    There are lots of hits every game and how many times does a helmet one off ? I think just by common sense it would tell me that at least one of the hits tonight was a hit to the head, no?

  135. dustrock says:

    Bling: Of course no one in the room will blame him. They’re teammates after all, and over 82 games everyone in there is going to screw something up. That does not mean what Kassian did was right or justified.

    Part of being tough is knowing when to be disciplined. I don’t give two shits about Kassian’s rep and I don’t think he does, either.

    Putting your team down a man for 4 minutes with 22 minutes left in the game and messing with the first line for an additional 6 on a team that lacks depth? To settle a personal score? With first place on the line?

    Selfish.

    Sure, and next time Tkachuk does that to McDavid, you let me know how you feel.

    You think this stops at Kassian if he doesn’t respond? The refs very obviously were not interested in calling an obvious penalty and they haven’t been for 20 years.

    What I would have loved is a scrum and that’s it until the 3rd period where Draisaitl sends a Flame into next week. That’s the type of play that a team loves.

  136. dustrock says:

    buffalobill:
    There are lots of hits every game and how many times does a helmet one off ? I think just by common sense it would tell me that at least one of the hits tonight was a hit to the head, no?

    The absolute best part of the whole thing is that Tkachuk leads the entire NHL in drawn penalties. That’s the end of the conversation right there. He has literally no reason to stop playing like he is, in fact if I was the Flames I’d be furious if he stopped being a goof.

    You know what would have worked? If the refs gave Tkachuk 5 minutes for the first head shot on Kassian. Actual fucking consequence for a dirty play.

    I do not blame Kassian one iota. A man can take only so much, see.

  137. Bling says:

    Lost in all the Kassian fuss is that Yamamoto and Nuge had incredible games.

    KY is so smart and aware out there. Two EV first assists and a penalty drawn. Not only that, but incredible poise with puck. He did a heck of a job protecting the puck. So good along the wall as well. Watching him tonight was like reading one of OP’s AHL reports, to the T.

    To do that against a fast and physical club, hats off, kid.

  138. JimmyV1965 says:

    Just rewatched the Tkachuk hit again. He skated about 40 feet full out to blast Kassian in the numbers. I’m not sure how’s that’s not charging or boarding. It was a very dangerous play and we’re lucky no one was seriously injured. If Kassian did something like that, I’m sure he gets suspended. If you watch the replay, you can see the moment when Tkachuk recognizes that Kassian is in a vulnerable position and then he charges without hesitation. If Kassian simply slumped to the ice and pretended he was hurt, Tkachuk gets a penalty and is possibly suspended. This is what makes NHL officiating a joke.

  139. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Many flames apologists posting in here tonight. The team gave up leads tonight and you are going to blame Kassian? They had 19 minutes to tie it and you’re going to blame Kassian?

  140. Wilde says:

    lmao Yamamoto with the 2.72 P1/60 I’m on fire with the predictions

    have the Condors game stats locked and loaded, will post in the next thread

  141. jake70 says:

    I thought they had no business being in the game with a chance to win, but there they found themselves, and they beat themselves.

  142. meanashell11 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m sorry but I got a lot of personal satisfaction from Kassian’s actions! I just wish he would have done more damage. Cheap shot after cheap shot and you blame Kass.

  143. meanashell11 says:

    dustrock,

    According to the broadcast last night his brother does, not Matt…….

  144. meanashell11 says:

    How is this not a hit to the head?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g11MBII7GLY

  145. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: The Flames are in first place.The Oilers are 10th in the conference and out of the playoffs.Lost a four point games because of stupid immaturity. on the part of a 29-year old.

    In this week’s episode of “Waiting for Godot”, a series in which we wait for Godot to do things, we’re waiting for Godot to show us their working on the claim that the Oilers are in 10th place in the western conference. Our best scientists, who put a man on the moon, have us as 7th, and in 1st wildcard spot.

    Over to you, Godot!

  146. rope-a-dope says:

    I’m way late here and will probably re post tomorrow but

    re. Tkachuk, I think you have to play him like the Kings played Backes.. there were a couple of series where the Kings took out the Blues during the Kings dominant period. They made a concerted effort to check Backes cleanly and legally and it essentially got in Backes’ head and took him off his game. Whereas during the regular season Backes operated with impunity.

    I see a lot of similarities here, Tkachuk seems to operate without any concern for repercussions, fine. Start checking him clean and hard and see how he reacts. The Oilers have the personnel to do this.

  147. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: In this week’s episode of “Waiting for Godot”, a series in which we wait for Godot to do things, we’re waiting for Godot to show us their working on the claim that the Oilers are in 10th place in the western conference. Our best scientists, who put a man on the moon, have us as 7th, and in 1st wildcard spot.

    Over to you, Godot!

    Check out the Woodguy Real** Standings when he posts them in the new thread later this morning.

    **So I am off by two places. Instead of 1st in the division, hanging on to the last wildcard.

  148. godot10 says:

    meanashell11:
    How is this not a hit to the head?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g11MBII7GLY

    The flying helmet from Kassian not using his chinstrap distracts the referees eyes from the hit, and diminishes the potential illegality of the hit, since a flying helmet with an effectively undone chinstrap is effectively an embellishment. All the referees see is the flying helmet. They don’t really see the hit. And the referees think, the helmet flies because Kassian is being an idiot for not doing up his chinstrap. Not because the hit might be illegal. But they don’t really see the hit, because of the flying helmet.

  149. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Does everyone realize Tkafuk is 6ft 2, 209 lbs and Kas is 6ft 3 and 211lbs?
    I don’t get the explanation from Burke that Tkafuk shouldn’t fight Kas since hes in a different weight class

  150. godot10 says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Does everyone realize Tkafuk is 6ft 2, 209 lbs and Kas is 6ft 3 and 211lbs?
    I don’t get the explanation from Burke that Tkafuk shouldn’t fight Kas since hes in a different weight class

    Tkachuk doesn’t fight because he realizes it is really stupid to sit in the penalty box and take yourself out of a critical game for 15 minutes like Kassian. Tkachuk has a brain. Kassian doesn’t. Post-game Tkachuk was talking about team. Doing what was necessary to help his team win. Kassian was talking about himself. Kassian is a dumb and selfish and unreliable hockey player.

    A smart player takes a number, and calls back later.

    Two games now. Kassian has done nothing at all to Giordano. So it is like he is a goldfish too. No effing memory.

  151. Nit64 says:

    godot10: Instead of 1st in the division, hanging on to the last wildcard.

    * Huge 2 pt gap between those spots ~

  152. CallighenMan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    nope, you are wrong. I and most people would still seriously dislike him. I didn’t like the way Marchment played either. HH is truly revealing he has gone fully Canucklehead with these last statements of his.

    I’m sure he defended “Biter” on the Dy’s during their wipeout against the Bruins on “Riot Day”

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