What The Hell I Got

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored a huge goal last night in Montreal, No. 157 for his career. Per 82 games during his career, Nuge is averaging 22-36-58. That’s a productive player. RNH has played in the shadow of a great player, either Hall or McDavid or Draisaitl, for his entire NHL career. It’s easy to overlook his contributions with so much star power all around. Last night was another reminder about how important the quiet No. 1 overall pick is to the Edmonton Oilers. Photo by Rob Ferguson.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • New Jonathan Willis: Mike Smith stars in Oilers victory, but others’ struggles could prompt changes
  • New Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Minnia Feng: Zamboni Ursula: What if Oilers fans could change something in the team’s past?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: ‘That’s the nicest goal I’ve ever seen’: Connor McDavid’s teammates amazed by his latest effort
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers notebook: James Neal’s resurgence, Matt Benning’s injury and the Tyler Benson recall temptation
  • Lowetide: Oilers farmhands are pushing hard for NHL jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Jonathan Willis: It would be a mistake to write off the Oilers after their December slump
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From Leon Draisaitl to the penalty kill, the things the Oilers need to improve to get back to the playoffs
  • Lowetide: A shift-by-shift analysis of Kailer Yamamoto’s 2019-20 debut in the Oilers’ New Year’s Eve game.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: James Neal puts on New Year’s Eve show to remember in Oilers’ thriller
  • Lowetide: Midseason review of ‘reasonable expectations’ shows Oilers are on track with preseason targets
  • Jonathan Willis and Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How are our Oilers predictions holding up at the midseason mark? We decided to find out
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers midseason report card shows an unbalanced team with a lot of replaceable parts
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS AFTER 46 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 18-23-5, 41 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 24-15-7, 55 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 19-23-3, 41 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 22-21-3, 47 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 24-17-5, 53 points; goal differential -2

Walking on sunshine this morning with that record, Oilers are once again pushing toward the upper echelon of the Pacific Division. January has been such a welcome fit for the team, with a more leisurely pace to the schedule and a fantastic road trip.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in January 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-3-0, two points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in January 2019: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in January 2020: 3-0-1, seven points; goal differential +4

I was impressed with Edmonton’s recovery in last night’s game. The first period was poor but they kept the game in reach. The second period saw improved play but both teams scored in the middle frame so the Oilers gained no ground. The third period saw a brilliant PP goal by Nuge, and then the club kept pushing. Chiasson scored the goal and full credit, but Archibald or Yamamoto or Kassian could have cashed as well. It looked like a team that was going to win, and we were just waiting for the script to be finalized. It’s been a long time, I think since MacT, since an Oilers team looked so much under control.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: BUF, BOS, TOR, MTL, CAL (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 3-0-1)
  • At home to: NAS, ARI, CAL, STL (Expected 1-2-1)
  • Overall expected result: 3-4-2, eight points in nine games
  • Current results: 3-0-1seven points in four games

Last night’s win was a big one, especially if you’re watching the standings. Edmonton is one of five Pacific Division teams with a shot at three spots, maybe four, in the playoffs. So, one of those teams is going to be out of the postseason, maybe two. Teams that are going to make it in have to be consistent. Edmonton has one dominant 10-game segment and one poor one. The current set is shaping up as the second strong segment of the campaign. 10-game segments so far are: 7-2-1; 5-4-1; 5-4-1; 3-6-1 and now 4-1-1. Impressive.

OILERS 2019-20

Tippett shuffled lines later in the game, McDavid played two or more minutes with RW’s Kassian, Chiasson and Archibald, plus 58 seconds with Yamamoto. All numbers five on five and via NST.

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 8:13, going 4-11 Corsi, 2-7 shots and 0-1 goals, 2-1 HDSC. In 68 minutes together, the line is 3-3 goals and 41-37 shots.

James Neal had a couple of chances (97 is sending him sublime passes) but is still at goal No. 19 on the season. One shot, a bunch of hits and plenty of try. Connor McDavid had a terrific assist on the Nuge PP goal, drew a penalty, had a HDSC and won six of 10 in the dot. He was quality. Zack Kassian had one shot, was more effective once he moved to a line with Nygard and Sheehan. Not sure why he got shuffled out but he was strong strong strong with Nygard and Sheahan later on.

LINE 2 Ryan Nugent Hopkins-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 14:49, going 8-12 Corsi, 4-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC. In 52 minutes together, this line is 3-1 goals and 22-28 shots.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored a huge goal to tie the game on the PP, and had two HDSC. Strong game. Leon Draisaitl had a PP assist, two HDSC, drew a penalty and won eight of 17 faceoffs. I counted seven dangerous passes, he is a supreme set-up man. Kailer Yamamoto had a shot on goal and skated miles to turn over pucks and make life miserable. A major addition.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 6:13, going 8-6 Corsi, 4-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. This line has played 55 minutes together this year, going 2-2 goals and 23-22 shots.

Joakim Nygard is around the puck more in the last few weeks. Sweet pass to Sheahan for the goal, three shots, four HDSC and a takeaway. He’s a good player. Riley Sheahan scored a goal, three shots, HDSC and won nine of 14 in the circle. Josh Archibald scored an EN goal, and was dogged on the forecheck several shifts. I’m loving the Tippett forechecking and Archibald can do it well.

LINE 4 Jujhar Khaira-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 6:24, going 6-12 Corsi, 2-8 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-1 HDSC. Line has played 13 minutes together, 1-0 goals and 6-8 shots.

Jujhar Khaira had one decent look and a giveaway. He turned the puck over in the neutral zone and only a quality play by Ethan Bear saved a great chance. I believe in him but I don’t know how much longer he’s going to be in the lineup. PK 1:25 ranked No. 3 among forwards. Gaetan Haas won five of 10 and was relatively quiet offensively. Alex Chiasson scored the winning goal, a fabulous tip of a Klefbom pass. Two shots and a takeaway. He is 2-1-3 in his last two games.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 20:51, going 20-24 Corsi, 13-12 shots, no goals and 6-5 HDSC. Played 10 minutes against the Danault line (no goals, 6-8 shots, 7-14 Corsi.

Darnell Nurse defended very well, making some outstanding plays in his own zone. Three shots, four blocked shots, solid at five on five and PK. Ethan Bear made a couple of fine defensive plays but also had four giveaways. He played huge minutes, defending most of the time (including a snow angel!) but he needs to be the outlet passer more on the pairing. It’s what makes it go.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larson played 17:10, going 10-18 Corsi, 6-11 shots, 1-0 goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom’s assist on the game-winning goal was a wonderful play, delivered by a quality player. Had one shot, one giveaway, but spent most of the evening battling Montreal’s fast forwards to a draw on the defensive side. Adam Larsson was effective physically, had an assist, a shot, a giveaway. Pairing is 6-12 goals this season but 126-127 shots and 49.2 expected goals. Regression should be a reward for them in the second half.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Caleb Jones played 7:16, going 3-7 Corsi, 2-6 shots, 0-2 goals and 0-1 HDSC. It was not a good night.

Kris Russell was on the ice for both goals, the first one he was part of the crime, second one he was in the photo but that was a big damned jailbreak. Russell did get some playing time in the third period with other partners, but coach Tippett shut down the third pair with 3:34 left in the second period. Jones was also on the ice for both goals against, I think he played the first GA properly and would suggest, on the second goal, he made a decision, committed to it and paid the price because of it. It happens. If you’re mad at Jones for that GA, be prepared to get angry at dozens of rookie blue over the next few years. It’s all quick decisions in rapid time. He sat for the entire third period.

First goal against: Russell sends a pass behind the net where it is secured by Caleb Jones. Jones takes the puck and sends a clean outlet pass to Jujhar Khaira, who can’t find Zack Kassian’s stick from 10 feet away. Jeff Petry gobbles up the puck finds a safe place and sends a lovely pass to Tomas Tatar and the puck is quickly heading to Edmonton’s end with the forwards changing. Jones and Russell, who are on the ice for 40 seconds as the puck enters the zone, back in too far. Danault takes his first shot from the high slot, Smith handles but leaves a big rebound. Russell turns outside while Danault hunts for the rebound with Russell having his back to the puck. Jones covers his man enough to get Tatar to overskate the puck, Russell can’t recover and Danault cashes.

Second goal against: Play begins with Yamamoto and Draisaitl on the forecheck, Nuge high man in the neutral zone. This is not in any way dangerous unless a rookie defenseman pinches on the outlet pass, which is what Jones did on the play. Edmonton didn’t have possession, it was a high risk decision and it worked out badly. Jones made a mistake. He is a rookie. The key is that he learns from it. Defense in the NHL is damned tough. If Jones is doing that two years from now, it’s a problem. I think he’ll be a quick study.

GOALIE Mike Smith had a strong night, stopping 35 of 37, .946. His SP moved from .897 to .900, tough to move the needle that much this far into the year.

Edmonton’s January winning run has allowed the team to keep pace with the leaders, plus stay ahead of Calgary via regulation wins. The real bonus is that the Oilers didn’t sink at all while other teams were playing more games and catching up in that department. The game on Saturday is going to be massive. One thing I believe Oilers fan count on: Edmonton will be determined to show that the December 27 loss (5-1) to the Flames is not representative of this hockey club. Do you remember talking about ‘Tabernac Saturday’ games that mattered against Calgary? It’s been a long, long time.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points (wins) over fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 18
    DAL 12
    COL 10

    Pacific
    ARI 8
    EDM 7
    CGY 7

    Wildcard
    WPG 7
    VGP 7

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 6
    NSH 4
    MIN 2
    CHI -1
    SJS -2
    ANA -5
    LAK -6

    EDM beat CGY in the tie break with 20 regulation wins to 16. Both EDM and CGY have a better points percentage than the Golden Pysankas due to both having played one less game.

    ARI, VGP, VAN and WPG (wildcard relevant) were all ahead of EDM yesterday and they all lost in regulation yesterday. The Pacific now has 6 teams with almost the same record.

    VGP couldn’t overcome Subban’s shitty goalering in the 1st. This is interesting because it may spur Gallant to play Fleury more. We all know overworked goalies perform worse and Fleury is the poster boy for this. Worth following.

    ARI lost to TBY who have won 9 straight. Would love to see a TBY-TOR first round match up.

    VAN got smacked by FLA. Their actual goal results are catching up to their fancies. VAN still has BUF Saturday afternoon, MIN Sunday afternoon and WPG Friday night on this long road trip.

    CGY beat MIN 2-1. Talbot with the win. He’s .946 in his last 5 starts (3-2-0) and made 42 saves last night. Good for Cam. Wish it wasn’t for CGY. Talbot has 3 starts in January, Rittich has 1. I hope EDM sees Rittich on Saturday.

    Relevant games tonight:

    ARI (+167) at CAR (-192) – If ARI loses this they slide down to a tie with VGP as they will be 7 points over fake Bettman and one more game played than EDM or CGY. EDM v. CGY on Saturday would be for sole possession of 1st in the Pacific (using points percentage, which is superior to points)

    Also,

    One interesting note:

    EDM is tied with DAL for 6th in the NHL for Regulation Wins with 20. That bodes well……

    Top 9 and ties for Regulation Wins:
    BOS 24
    TBY 22
    STL 22
    COL 22
    WSH 21
    EDM 20
    DAL 20
    PIT 19
    TOR 19
    6 teams tied with 18

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points (wins) over fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 20
    NYI 15
    PIT 14

    Atlantic
    BOS 18
    TBY 13
    TOR 9

    Wildcard
    CAR 9
    PHI 8

    Wildcard
    FLA 7
    CBJ 5
    NYR 3
    BUF 1
    MTL -2
    OTT -6
    NJD -6
    DET -19

    Relevant games tonight:

    ARI (+167) at CAR (-192) – Tonight is ARI’s 3rd game in 4 nights in 3 different cities and 2nd of back to back. This is also known as a “Schedule Loss”.

    They played in Sunrise (Fort Lauderdale suburb where the Panthers play) Tuesday, Tampa last night and Raleigh tonight.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I thought this was interesting.

    If we consider EDM’s “Top 6” is when one of McDavid, Draisaitl or Nuge is on the ice, here are the 5v5 Goal Share splits by month for the “Top 6” and “Bottom 6”

    Top 6 On
    October (24-13) 65%
    November (20-22) 48%
    December (12-31) 28% <—–ewwww (that's mostly Drai's TOI)
    January (6-2) 75%

    Total to date (62-68) 48%

    Bottom 6 On
    October (1-12) 8% <—–Gaaah! My eyes!!!
    November (12-12) 50%
    December (6-7) 46%
    January (5-5) 50%

    Total to date (24-36) 40%

    Overall total to date (86-104) 45%

    I know we can't discount the Top 6's December and the Bottom 6's October entirely BUT…….

    I think we can eyeball this and reasonably postulate that:

    The Top 6 can put up ~50%-55% GF for the balance of the season
    The Bottom 6 can put up ~45%-50% GF for the balance of the season

    If this can happen* and the special teams continue to add +4 goals to the goal differential every month, then this is a playoff team.

    *assumes 3 things:
    1) The Good Gord Willing
    2) The Creek Don't Rise
    3) Smith and/or Koskinen don't have another funk

    • jtblack says:

      “The Bottom 6 can put up ~45%-50% GF for the balance of the season”

      i think this will dictate if Edmonton is in the playoffs or just misses … we know at 45%+, it should be enough. 35% or 40% won’t be good enough.

      Also, maybe Ken adds a little skill to lines 3 or 4 for the playoff push, that helps them continue their reasonable GF%

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    It’s interesting that you (and Tippett) are looking at the season in 10-game segments. I’ve often looked at the season in 7-game segments, as it follows the playoff format. Think about it: if you can win 4 of 7 all season long, you’re virtually guaranteed to make the second season. Eight points per 7 games gets you to 94 – add in a sprinkling of Bettman’s and you’re free and clear. It lines up exactly with Tippett’s 11-12 points per 10 games.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Holland also likes to look at ten game segments.

      I remember last season a poster was updating on game days how the Oilers were doing in seven game segments. I liked that feature, it’s too bad it went away. Doug McLachlan? Can’t recall for sure.

  5. Dicky94 says:

    Looks like Galchenyuk is available. If Holland could get him cheap with salary retained he might be able to bury those passes that Neil has been missing.

  6. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I thought Nygard looked great to the eye test. Quick and really slippery, and fiesty! Great on the fore-check in their end.

    JJ needs to go to the pressbox or Bakersfield for a spell. Not giving up on him, but he’s really struggling now. They probably will need his physicality Saturday night, but that game might be the referendum on this player IMO.

    Benson could come up for JJ and maybe push KY for that top 6 spot. 56 wasn’t super-sharp last night, and a little competition might motivate him.

    • Lowetide says:

      There has to be some kind of injury to Khaira. Has to be.

      • JJS says:

        Injury or otherwise, time to switch him out

        As you stated, Benson for 5 games can’t do any additional harm at this point

    • Material Elvis says:

      Last time I said he wasn’t an NHL-caliber player, he went on his mini-heater and I retracted my comment. Now he looks like an AHL’er again. Tipp likes him on the PK and his numbers are sparkling there so he’s probably going to get a bit of leeway. Injury? Lack of focus?

  7. drglen says:

    we forget the amount of mistakes Nurse made when he was leaned on so hard as a rookie. Jones is going to be a great defenseman and they are bringing him along in the right way.

    Im a bit concerned that Neal is not converting the McDavid feeds.

    What happened to JJ Khaira?

  8. Paulie says:

    WG notes:

    The Top 6 can put up ~50%-55% GF for the balance of the season
    The Bottom 6 can put up ~45%-50% GF for the balance of the season

    If this can happen* and the special teams continue to add +4 goals to the goal differential every month, then this is a playoff team.

    One reason to think it will happen New coach, new players, new systems all take awhile to gel. After 1/2 a season we’re at the point where the players know the system and what to expect from one another and the coach. They can concentrate and execution, not learning.

  9. Dustylegnd says:

    Nuge is a great player and currently in his offensive prime

    Nuge has never scored 30 goals

    Nuge has produced less than 60 points every year except one

    Nuge will consistently score less than 50 points for the majority of his next contract

    Think long and hard how much you want to pay this young man in his next contract

    The Oil better think long and hard what they want to do with this player

  10. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points (wins) over fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL18
    DAL12
    COL10

    Pacific
    ARI8
    EDM7
    CGY7

    Wildcard
    WPG7
    VGP7

    Out of playoffs
    VAN6
    NSH4
    MIN2
    CHI-1
    SJS-2
    ANA-5
    LAK-6

    EDM beat CGY in the tie break with 20 regulation wins to 16.Both EDM and CGY have a better points percentage than the Golden Pysankas due to both having played one less game.

    ARI, VGP, VAN and WPG (wildcard relevant) were all ahead of EDM yesterday and they all lost in regulation yesterday. The Pacific now has 6 teams with almost the same record.

    VGP couldn’t overcome Subban’s shitty goalering in the 1st.This is interesting because it may spur Gallant to play Fleury more.We all know overworked goalies perform worse and Fleury is the poster boy for this.Worth following.

    ARI lost to TBY who have won 9 straight.Would love to see a TBY-TOR first round match up.

    VAN got smacked by FLA.Their actual goal results are catching up to their fancies.VAN still has BUF Saturday afternoon, MIN Sunday afternoon and WPG Friday night on this long road trip.

    CGY beat MIN 2-1. Talbot with the win.He’s .946 in his last 5 starts (3-2-0) and made 42 saves last night.Good for Cam.Wish it wasn’t for CGY.Talbot has 3 starts in January, Rittich has 1.I hope EDM sees Rittich on Saturday.

    Relevant games tonight:

    ARI (+167) at CAR (-192) – If ARI loses this they slide down to a tie with VGP as they will be 7 points over fake Bettman and one more game played than EDM or CGY.EDM v. CGY on Saturday would be for sole possession of 1st in the Pacific (using points percentage, which is superior to points)

    Also,

    One interesting note:

    EDM is tied with DAL for 6th in the NHL for Regulation Wins with 20.That bodes well……

    Top 9 and ties for Regulation Wins:
    BOS 24
    TBY 22
    STL 22
    COL 22
    WSH 21
    EDM 20
    DAL 20
    PIT 19
    TOR 19
    6 teams tied with 18

    You mentioned yesterday you liked Adin Hill.
    Curious what you like about him. Seems like a career minor league and is significantly outplayed by a 20 year old rookie in the AHL and the only reason he got the call up is to let the rook develop

  11. Litke 94 says:

    I would love Gallagher on this team. The cost would be substantial, but man oh man would he be a nice add. Watching him last night and so much of MTL’s offense runs directly through him.

    Not sure MTL would give him up, but he does only have 1 year left on his contract and MTL is in desperation mode.

  12. leadfarmer says:

    I would like to see this team with a real #3C and Benson call up to play with that #3C.

    • Material Elvis says:

      I wonder if Philip Danault would be available and what his acquisition costs would be? One more year left on his deal at $3M and change…..

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    The first period last night was poor, very poor – I don’t consider it “not showing up” or “not being ready” – its not like they weren’t trying, at least to me. It was a matter of just being off and not executing, at least to me.

    The Oilers had come out very strong for 5 games in a row – dating back to the Rangers and Buffalo – they had played, essentially 11 solid to great periods out of 12 – maybe 10, I can’t recall exactly.

    Good teams, even elite teams, have bad games let alone bad periods.

    This road trip hasn’t been gruesome but it was still game 4 of a road trip – it takes a toll.

    What good teams do is find ways to overcome crappy periods and games where they don’t have it and scratch out win – the Oilers did that last night.

    MIke Smith helped give them a chance to win and then clawed for two points – based on depth scoring and a big PP goal.

    That was a solid win in my books!

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Are any of Nygard, Sheahan or Archibald not proving to be full value for their contracts?

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If Toffoli only costs a 2nd+prospect, they should jump on that. If he would extend that is.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Nuge is a great player and currently in his offensive prime

    Nuge has never scored 30 goals

    Nuge has produced less than 60 points every year except one

    Nuge will consistently score less than 50 points for the majority of his next contract

    Think long and hard how much you want to pay this young man in his next contract

    The Oil better think long and hard what they want to do with this player

    Might want to run him with quality linemates for 40 games to see what he can do in those circumstances. Nuge is a complementary player at five on five. That’s the harshest thing we can say about him. He is a quality two-way center, 51 percent in the dot, most common linemates James Neal and Alex Chiasson. 10 percent five on five shooting percentage.

    • Material Elvis says:

      That said, what do you feel is a fair and reasonable third contract? If he’s asking for $7M per year, is that something you would consider? Would a Pageau be better value at $5M per year? It’s going to be a tough call to make.

      • Lowetide says:

        Pageau is having a career year, best to stay away from those in free agency. I would hope Nuge would sign for something close to $6 million, perhaps that is wishful thinking. He doesn’t score at a 60-point rate per season because he misses some games, but he is a center and one of the three best forwards on the team.

        Eberle took a small pay cut, but Nuge has outscored him since he left. Plus he’s a pivot. $6-6.5M a year? I suspect Nuge would get that on the open market although I haven’t dug into comparables. I would sign him.

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    Man am I liking Tip as our Head Coach.

    Biggest win? He leaves lines intact long enough to establish chemistry, but is also savvy enough to tweak slightly in game when he has a cold or hot hand.

    He seeks the favourable matchups. TMac by contrast often had a woody to go strength on strength. Clean air for your Fs. Music.

    Trusts his goaltenders. Do you think Laurent Brossoit sends Todd MacLellan Christmas cards? Me neither.

    He’s clearly effective at advance scouting and tweaking his system to suit the opposition. And he knows how to coach for offense. More often than not, the Top 6 is skating it in. The Bottom 6 is more dump & chase. This is players playing to their strengths and the HC encouraging it imo.

    Massive game tomorrow. Stock up on the spirits boys. It’s a cold one but we’ve scheduled a barnburner to make up for it.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great game management by Tippett last night.

    He saw that first line wasn’t getting it done and did a few things:

    – moved Kassian down and Kassian showed that he can help a depth line – he’s not just a player being zoomed – sure, he wasn’t providing $3M worth on that depth line but his ability to play up and down the lineup is something

    – spotted McDavid all over the lineup and still kept his TOI under 20 minutes

    Of note, Jones didn’t play in the 3rd period last night.

    Jones is still developing and had a tough night.

    Will be a boon to get Benning back, maybe some time in the next week:

    Russell/Benning is a high end third pairing.

    Assuming Benning is able to physically and mentally be the same player – not a given, for sure right away.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    AHL TV is free for tonight’s games – chance to watch the Condors for free.

    Given its like $60 for the year for a Condors’ pass, its close to free in any event but I thought I’d throw that out there.

  20. Woogie63 says:

    OIlers players that appear to be built for a tougher, tighter checking NHL play-offs.

    Neal
    Kassian
    McDavid (always)
    Drisaital
    Archibald
    Shenean
    Khaira
    Hass
    Chaisson
    Larsson
    Nurse
    Russell
    Smith

  21. Dustylegnd says:

    Lowetide: Might want to run him with quality linemates for 40 games to see what he can do in those circumstances. Nuge is a complementary player at five on five. That’s the harshest thing we can say about him. He is a quality two-way center, 51 percent in the dot, most common linemates James Neal and Alex Chiasson. 10 percent five on five shooting percentage.

    I agree, so either increase the number of very good players on this team, or find somebody who can push the river instead of Nuge, both are difficult solves. Our AHL cupboard is empty our highest draft picks were spent on D and we are in cap hell.

    Under most realistic circumstances with this team and its timelines, I do not see his production increasing as the years roll on and that is a real and prudent concern….the Oilers need to get their cap allocation very correct.

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    Material Elvis:
    That said, what do you feel is a fair and reasonable third contract?If he’s asking for $7M per year, is that something you would consider?Would a Pageau be better value at $5M per year?It’s going to be a tough call to make.

    I think Pageau will be overpaid big time. There’s just too much buzz and some GM will overpay, in terms of trade and new contract. He’s 27 and this will be his first year scoring 20 goals and 50 pts. It’s realistic to think this will be the best year of his career.

  23. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I love your updates. Very readable and interesting!

    Dave.

  24. Paulie says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Are any of Nygard, Sheahan or Archibald not proving to be full value for their contracts?

    I agree that they are providing full value. It’s just that what they provide is not of exceptional value (you get what you pay for) and the upside isn’t much for anyone. Good stopgaps for a year.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Dustylegnd: I agree, so either increase the number of very good players on this team, or find somebody who can push the river instead of Nuge, both are difficult solves. Our AHL cupboard is empty our highest draft picks were spent on D and we are in cap hell.

    Under most realistic circumstances with this team and its timelines, I do not see his production increasing as the years roll on and that is a real and prudent concern….the Oilers need to get their cap allocation very correct.

    Great point about what’s coming. I think part of this problem solves itself, in that the Oilers don’t have anything certain to replace him and players like Nuge rarely reach free agency. So if Edmonton is shopping for a replacement it’s probably a trade.

  26. Material Elvis says:

    JimmyV1965: I think Pageau will be overpaid big time. There’s just too much buzz and some GM will overpay, in terms of trade and new contract. He’s 27 and this will be his first year scoring 20 goals and 50 pts. It’s realistic to think this will be the best year of his career.

    He’ll likely be overpaid but would you rather overpay him at $5m or overpay Nuge at $7+ million? I like Nuge a lot but you are paying a lot of money for PP production on a team that has PP producers.

  27. Dustylegnd says:

    JimmyV1965: I think Pageau will be overpaid big time. There’s just too much buzz and some GM will overpay, in terms of trade and new contract. He’s 27 and this will be his first year scoring 20 goals and 50 pts. It’s realistic to think this will be the best year of his career.

    You sir, are beyond correct, Caveat Emptor to the nth degree.

    I mean seriously are the GM’s going to get sucked in by this outlyer, and that is what it is, a strait up outlyer, his historic production is replacement level give or take.

    Players on the other side of 27 may become better players but rarely do they experience a production increase, some do, most dont

  28. Material Elvis says:

    Lowetide:
    Pageau is having a career year, best to stay away from those in free agency. I would hope Nuge would sign for something close to $6 million, perhaps that is wishful thinking. He doesn’t score at a 60-point rate per season because he misses some games, but he is a center and one of the three best forwards on the team.

    Eberle took a small pay cut, but Nuge has outscored him since he left. Plus he’s a pivot. $6-6.5M a year? I suspect Nuge would get that on the open market although I haven’t dug into comparables. I would sign him.

    The other question I have is where do you envision him playing? The Oilers look like they are trending to go with Connor and Leon as 1C/2C into the future, so are you signing RNH to play 3C or wing? Can that money buy you a more prolific scoring winger (a Mike Hoffman for example)?

    • Alpine says:

      RNH probably ends up being prolific as a winger with one of those two as a centre. He always pops off when he’s put on McDavid’s wing, for example. Difference is you also get a penalty killer and a guy who can switch to C pretty easily. A Hoffman type wouldn’t have that versatility. And the extra scoring with a specialist winger is probably negligible.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Material Elvis: The other question I have is where do you envision him playing?The Oilers look like they are trending to go with Connor and Leon as 1C/2C into the future, so are you signing RNH to play 3C or wing?Can that money buy you a more prolific scoring winger (a Mike Hoffman for example)?

    I think Nuge is useful at either position and serves as a quality swing man for the coach depending on Leon’s usage. Anybody who remembers the “let’s try Taylor Hall at center” experiment can preach about the value of having too many centers.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I could be wrong…..but Ive not seen anyone in here put a number and reasoning on RNH’s next contract.

      Do you think thats because we all like him on a personal level as well as a professional level? Making it hard to rationalize what this next contract should look like….like we would do with any other player. For example, a fairly strong case was made for Connolly a while back based on analytics and other factors. This site, yourself included had the parameters really well surrounded. And the contract came in about almost exactly as predicted.

      What of Nuge? While not imminent, the time is nigh for such an important piece of our roster.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Compareables

        Duchene, Matt NSH Jul 2019 Age 28 7yrs UFA RC gms 727 pts 547 $8,000,000
        RNH EDM July 2021 Age 28 6yrs UFA LC gms 700 pts 500 $ ????
        Little, Bryan WPG Sep 2017 Age 30 6yrs UFA LC gms 672 pts 432 $5,291,66

        • gogliano says:

          Matt Duchene is a pretty good comparable, I’d certainly cite it if I was Nuge’s agent.

          2018-19, Duchene had 70 points in 73 games; RNH had 69 (nice) in 82 games. They’re running even this year. Similar ages, pedigree, and long term track records.

    • Genjutsu says:

      It’s handy to have three guys that can play top 6 rolls at C. Injuries happen allows you to roll three quality C or load up in the top 6.

  30. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Great game management by Tippett last night.

    He saw that first line wasn’t getting it done and did a few things:

    – moved Kassian down and Kassian showed that he can help a depth line – he’s not just a player being zoomed – sure, he wasn’t providing $3M worth on that depth line but his ability to play up and down the lineup is something

    Wrong interpretation. Tippett saw Kassian being lazy and entitled on the first line. So Tippett took away his meal ticket. Kassian had a flash of all his money vanishing before his eyes, and decided to start playing hockey again on the 3rd line.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Wow….thats extremely cynical.

      The guy has an off night and you suggest all his motivation or lack thereof is money oriented. I call Bullshit.

  31. ChiliChunk says:

    Joakim Nygard is around the puck more in the last few weeks. Sweet pass to Sheahan for the goal

    Nygard made a nice play to dig it out of the scrum and head to the net but watching the replay I don’t think he actually passed it to Sheahan – more like Montreal #20 knocked the puck away from him right to Sheahan.

    https://www.nhl.com/video/nygard-sets-up-sheahan/t-311656590/c-5067606

  32. Melman says:

    Paulie,

    Another key factor is practice time – which by all reports they had little of in the 5-6 weeks before Christmas. Lots of days now for tinkering and working on things

  33. PennersPancakes says:

    Material Elvis: The other question I have is where do you envision him playing?The Oilers look like they are trending to go with Connor and Leon as 1C/2C into the future, so are you signing RNH to play 3C or wing?Can that money buy you a more prolific scoring winger (a Mike Hoffman for example)?

    I put my vote in for Nuge. Even if you play him 1/2 LW thats great cover in case Drai gets shifted to the top line again or one of McDavid/Drai misses any time. Otherwise who plays 2nd line center?

    I imagine Hoffman is just an example/placeholder but I take Nuge 10/10 times unless theres a huge contract difference. Startring with the fact Nuge is 26 compared to Hoffman being 30.

    Hoffmans main strength is his goal scoring ability but is it that much better? The previous 3 seasons Nuge has scored 50 ES goals vs Hoffmans 46. The gap in goal scoring comes on the PP which on the Oilers is clicking. Hoffman would be an interesting player if he was willing to sign a cheap couple year contract but this will likely be his last shot at a money contract.

    #wrongsideof30 #keepnugeforever

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian
    In 68 minutes together, the line is 3-3 goals and 41-37 shots.

    Technically true but not entirely accurate. This line has only been together for 5 games now and their stat line look like this:

    52.63 CF%
    53.01 FF%
    54.29 SF%
    75.00 GF% (3-1) [2.92 GF/60 – 0.97 GA/60]
    59.66 xGF% [2.45 – 1.66]
    52.63 HDCF%
    7.89 On-ice Sh% (this should correct upwards)
    96.88 On-ice Sv% (this should correct downwards)

    It’s true that NST shows their goals to be 3-3, but 2 of those GA were partial shifts that these 3 just happened to be on the ice at the time a goal was scored against. They played together for a total of 1:04 against the Blues November 6 (0-1 goals) and 0:46 against the Sharks November 12 (0-1 goals). It’s hardly fair to characterize this as a “line” as they clearly weren’t playing together except on shift changes.

    I’d like this line stay together a little longer, I think they’ve got potential as a trio.

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: You mentioned yesterday you liked Adin Hill.
    Curious what you like about him.Seems like a career minor league and is significantly outplayed by a 20 year old rookie in the AHL and the only reason he got the call up is to let the rook develop

    He’s 23 so “career minor leaguer” is not correct.

    He’s been above average in the AHL and has a positive Goals Save Above Average this year in the NHL.

    Most goalies don’t see the NHL at 23. He was “ok” last year when pressed into service for 13 NHL games as a 22 year old as well.

    He’d be a better back up than Smith.

  36. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lowetide: I think Nuge is useful at either position and serves as a quality swing man for the coach depending on Leon’s usage. Anybody who remembers the “let’s try Taylor Hall at center” experiment can preach about the value of having too many centers.

    I prefer when Benoit Pouliot played 1C.

    That game was the best drive up to Rexall from Calgary ever!

  37. PennersPancakes says:

    Lowetide: I think Nuge is useful at either position and serves as a quality swing man for the coach depending on Leon’s usage. Anybody who remembers the “let’s try Taylor Hall at center” experiment can preach about the value of having too many centers.

    I always think of San Jose when it comes to the too many center argument. (I try to black out Taylor Hall at center). When they made their big run in 15-16 they had the following centers on their roster for the playoffs:

    – Couture
    – Hertl
    – Karlsson
    – Pavelski
    – Spalling
    – Thornton
    – Tierney
    – Wingels
    – Zubrus

    Having Couture, Hertl, Pavelski, and Thornton all as capable top 6 C gave them a lot of flexibility and injury coverage.

  38. Alpine says:

    Brayden Schenn is probably a good comparable for Nuge. He wasn’t really a great 5v5 scorer until he was about 26/27 and he got 8 years x 6.25. More durable than Nuge, so maybe the 8 year term for Nuge isnt a good idea.

    6-6.5 AAV for 6-7 years for RNH? 6 mil is second line money these days, so you’re not really asking him to be much more than he is now.

    • jtblack says:

      what are the qualifying rules for RNH? does he have to offered a certain % over what he makes now? or not , because he will be UFA?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      You’re right. Brayden Schenn is a great comparable.

      28 yr old lefty center. Signed in Oct 2019 8 yrs AVV 6.5m 632gms 408pts

      8m
      8m
      5.2m
      8m
      8m
      6.5m
      4.3m
      4m

      Other Compareables

      Duchene, Matt NSH Jul 2019 Age 28 7yrs UFA RC gms 727 pts 547 $8,000,000
      RNH EDM July 2021 Age 28 6yrs UFA LC gms 700 pts 500 $ ????
      Little, Bryan WPG Sep 2017 Age 30 6yrs UFA LC gms 672 pts 432 $5,291,66

  39. Reja says:

    Deadly tip for the huge game winner last night by Chase. If we’re going to make the playoffs we need the complementary players to produce. Unless Kosh got a bout of Dengue fever he’s nursing a minor injury and the ball has been handed to old man Smith.

  40. Reja says:

    godot10: Wrong interpretation.Tippett saw Kassian being lazy and entitled on the first line.So Tippett took away his meal ticket.Kassian had a flash of all his money vanishing before his eyes, and decided to start playing hockey again on the 3rd line.

    You sure don’t like what Kass brings to the table why is that?

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    There has to be some kind of injury to Khaira. Has to be.

    I’m not sure about that.

    Not being able to finish plays or get to plays is usually about injuries.

    Khaira’s issues is terrible decision making over and over again.

    I know he was charged with one give away on the score sheet last night, but I had him up to 4 times where EDM had the puck and because of a bad decision he made the next player to touch the puck played for MTL. Three times in dangerous spots and once to stop a cycle in the ozone.

    Its weird because he’ll go for games looking like he “finally gets it” and then we see this again.

    I like him a cheer for him, but I no longer have hope for him.

  42. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Wrong interpretation.Tippett saw Kassian being lazy and entitled on the first line.So Tippett took away his meal ticket.Kassian had a flash of all his money vanishing before his eyes, and decided to start playing hockey again on the 3rd line.

    Instead of Tippett actually saying he thought Archie was having a good game and moved him up?

  43. McSorley33 says:

    Joakim Nygard is around the puck more in the last few weeks. Sweet pass to Sheahan for the goal, three shots, four HDSC and a takeaway. He’s a good player.
    **********************************************************************
    For me – he is starting to make small plays to gain himself and his linemates some clear space.

    His passing is starting to really find the mark.

    I find him to be very intriguing.

  44. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: Instead of Tippett actually saying he thought Archie was having a good game and moved him up?

    So the Oilers are going to pay Kassian 4 x $4 million, a guy who makes the coach question whether he is a better option than Archibald or Chiasson with McDavid in a critical game?

    If those two are a better option to play with McDavid, it means that you are not playing well.

    Yes that is the kind of “reliabilityi” that many want to reward with a big long new contract! -).

    At least the response time from Kassian getting the message was a lot faster than usual.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Kassian looks better on a third line, because that is his level.

      The real problem is not having a bonafide RW to play on the top line.

      Properly slotted, we’d have a legit 1RW to play with Connor, Yamamoto as 2RW with Leon and Kassian on the 3RW able to move up in a pinch.

      That’s why you don’t pay him more than 3×3.

  45. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s 23 so “career minor leaguer” is not correct.

    He’s been above average in the AHL and has a positive Goals Save Above Average this year in the NHL.

    Most goalies don’t see the NHL at 23.He was “ok” last year when pressed into service for 13 NHL games as a 22 year old as well.

    He’d be a better back up than Smith.

    Ok, but Seems to put just over 900 sp in AHL though and is getting significantly outplayed by Prosvetov so I would strongly worry about his NHL sample size

  46. Dustylegnd says:

    godot10: So the Oilers are going to pay Kassian 4 x $4 million, a guy who makes the coach question whether he is a better option than Archibald or Chiasson with McDavid in a critical game?

    If those two are a better optionto play with McDavid, it means that you are not playing well.

    Yes that is the kind of “reliabilityi” that many want to reward with a big long new contract!-).

    I will take the under on $4 mill per year for Kassian with the Oilers…he may get that somewhere else, but not here…..Oiler Nation has themselves worked into a frenzy over Nurse and Kass…Nurse is an easy solve…its called Josh Morrisy….

    With Kass its simple….we saved your career, you can ride shotgun for Connor…this is the hard price and the hard term…take it or goodbye…this stuff is not that hard

  47. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Ah yes. Sunrise, aka “the City of Florida.”

    Good times.

  48. Nit64 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pacific
    ARI 8
    EDM 7
    CGY 7

    Wildcard
    WPG 7
    VGP 7

    Out of playoffs
    VAN 6

    Tight. 5 Pacific teams within 2 pts over Bettman .500.

  49. Reja says:

    Dustylegnd: I will take the under on $4 mill per year for Kassian with the Oilers…he may get that somewhere else, but not here…..Oiler Nation has themselves worked into a frenzy over Nurse and Kass…Nurse is an easy solve…its called Josh Morrisy….

    With Kass its simple….we saved your career, you can ride shotgun for Connor…this is the hard price and the hard term…take it or goodbye…this stuff is not that hard

    I had Kass signing at 3×3.33=10 or 4×3=12 after the new year. The drama thickens with each passing day.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I really like Woodguys $2.5 x 2. ( or was it $2.25 x 2 ?)That would be a steal imo.

      I lked your numbers orignally, but WG has a way of representing the broader perspective that makes me believe that losing Kassian at 3×3 would not be a disaster.

      I wonder where they’re at in the negotiations in terms of time frame. Havent heard anything since before Christmas.

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    Material Elvis: He’ll likely be overpaid but would you rather overpay him at $5m or overpay Nuge at $7+ million?I like Nuge a lot but you are paying a lot of money for PP production on a team that has PP producers.

    Nuge 579 games
    157 g 410 pts

    Pageau 411 games
    82 g 172 pts

    I would much rather have Nuge at $7 mill. I’m not exactly thrilled with that contract, but Pageau is being way overrated here. He’s scored basically a quarter of his career goals in 43 games this year. This should be considered a massive outlier.

    I’m not sure why Nuge gets dissed because he’s so good on the PP. There are many teams that would love to get a PP wizard like Nuge. If Nashville had the choice of Nuge today over Johanssen, I bet they take Nuge because he would improve their wretched PP. I think Nuge at $7 mill would be much more tradable than Pageau at $5 mill.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve read that Stauffer is suggestion the acquisition cost for Josh Anderson would be a 1st round pick PLUS Bouchard or Broberg and that his next contract would be around $5M.

    Now, that is total heresay, and the acquisition cost reads totally unreasonable to me, however, if true, ya that would be HARD NO, in particular on the acquisition cost – I would give up either of those pieces let alone both, not given his year.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      “I’ve read that Stauffer is suggestion the acquisition cost for Josh Anderson would be a 1st round pick PLUS Bouchard or Broberg and that his next contract would be around $5M”

      Is that simply Stauffers way of saying he’s not a fit for Edmonton given where we’re at in our progression?

  52. Nit64 says:

    Alpine:
    Brayden Schenn is probably a good comparable for Nuge. He wasn’t really a great 5v5 scorer until he was about 26/27 and he got 8 years x 6.25. More durable than Nuge, so maybe the 8 year term for Nuge isnt a good idea.

    6-6.5 AAV for 6-7 years for RNH? 6 mil is second line money these days, so you’re not really asking him to be much more than he is now.

    Other teams can’t offer 8 years so max length should be 7 years.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m not sure about that.

    Not being able to finish plays or get to plays is usually about injuries.

    Khaira’s issues is terrible decision making over and over again.

    I know he was charged with one give away on the score sheet last night, but I had him up to 4 times where EDM had the puck and because of a bad decision he made the next player to touch the puck played for MTL. Three times in dangerous spots and once to stop a cycle in the ozone.

    Its weird because he’ll go for games looking like he “finally gets it” and then we see this again.

    I like him a cheer for him, but I no longer have hope for him.

    Nice post. JJ received a beauty pass right on the tape while skating into the ozone. For some inexplicable reason, he couldn’t handle the pass and it’s tipped right to Hab and we lose possession. It didn’t lead to anything, but the pass was right on his stick.

    Also, I’m not sure JJ is the type of player you keep in the lineup if he’s injured. He’s barely treading water healthy. Maybe there’s some personal stuff happening.

    • Glovjuice says:

      Yeah, about 20 mg of Indica oil an hour before each game is what it low like.

      • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

        He should switch to Sativa

        • Genjutsu says:

          Y’all know really means nothing really?

          Most modern strains are hybrids. The effect of you feel depends on terpine contents which varies strain to strain or even plant to plant.

          Starting to see some new strains recently with more variety in cannabinoid content, notably CBD, which will have other effects.

  54. Dustylegnd says:

    Reja: I had Kass signing at 3×3.33=10 or 4×3=12 after the new year. The drama thickens with each passing day.

    to stay with the Oilers, I think your number are bang on….if he goes elsewhere he gets a higher annual x 4

  55. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ve read that Stauffer is suggestion the acquisition cost for Josh Anderson would be a 1st round pick PLUS Bouchard or Broberg and that his next contract would be around $5M.

    Now, that is total heresay, and the acquisition cost reads totally unreasonable to me, however, if true, ya that would be HARD NO, in particular on the acquisition cost – I would give up either of those pieces let alone both, not given his year.

    Lol, Holland wouldn’t pay that for Hall, he isn’t (shouldn’t) give that for Anderson. Heavens.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Why would Holland pay those kind of assets for Hall when he’s getting him for just money 7 months from now? 🙂

  56. duct tape and foil says:

    I’d seriously look at that since he’s UFA with Khaira plus something else going the other way. Should not cost a fortune to make this happen.

    Dicky94:
    Looks like Galchenyuk is available. If Holland could get him cheap with salary retained he might be able to bury those passes that Neil has been missing.

  57. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ve read that Stauffer is suggestion the acquisition cost for Josh Anderson would be a 1st round pick PLUS Bouchard or Broberg and that his next contract would be around $5M.

    Now, that is total heresay, and the acquisition cost reads totally unreasonable to me, however, if true, ya that would be HARD NO, in particular on the acquisition cost – I would give up either of those pieces let alone both, not given his year.

    There is no chance in hell even Peter Chiarelli would overpay to that extent. Anderson is having a brutal year, I know very well because I took him in my hockey pool.

    His value should be at an all-time low right now.

    You can argue he should make $5m on his previous couple of years but as a rental why in the hell would he get more than a 2nd?

    4 points and -8 in 26 games this year, he has had zero shots on goal in his last 2 games.

  58. dustrock says:

    From Willis:

    Thanks to Chiasson’s goal, Jujhar Khaira managed to end a streak of 19 consecutive games in which the Oilers have been even or worse at five-on-five with him on the ice. He finished the night plus-1 at five-on-five, the first time since Nov. 16 that he and his linemates have outscored the opposition. With him on the ice over that span, the Oilers had been outscored 18-5.

  59. Reja says:

    Dustylegnd: to stay with the Oilers, I think your number are bang on….if he goes elsewhere he gets a higher annual x 4

    Yep Mama Kasses true value begins in the playoffs, where he has a unique skill set that shines in the second season and 30 other GM’s covet him for this at the right price.

  60. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – The Edmonton connection to the Ukraine Airlines Boeing that was shot down in Iran, is startling: so many accomplished, learned 1st generation Canadians, that were returning on that flight

  61. Reja says:

    dustrock: There is no chance in hell even Peter Chiarelli would overpay to that extent.Anderson is having a brutal year, I know very well because I took him in my hockey pool.

    His value should be at an all-time low right now.

    You can argue he should make $5m on his previous couple of years but as a rental why in the hell would he get more than a 2nd?

    4 points and -8 in 26 games this year, he has had zero shots on goal in his last 2 games.

    I called Caleb, Jesse and a draft pick but not the first, that was at training camp. Anderson has been hurt and playing like Shit no way he is worth this ask.

  62. ArmchairGM says:

    Dicky94:
    Looks like Galchenyuk is available. If Holland could get him cheap with salary retained he might be able to bury those passes that Neil has been missing.

    Expecting Galchenyuk (4 goals) to bury passes that Neal (19 goals) cannot seems like a bit of a stretch, no?

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: Benson could come up for JJ and maybe push KY for that top 6 spot. 56 wasn’t super-sharp last night, and a little competition might motivate him.

    They play different positions, not sure how Benson could take Yamamoto’s job.

  64. New Improved Darkness says:

    On current available evidence:

    Total contract value
    $5 to $10 — barely think at all, e.g. Gagner
    $10 to $20 — think short and hard, e.g. Koskinen
    $20 to $40 — think long and hard
    $40 to $80 — pin the tail on the donkey; win some, lose some
    $80+ — run, don’t walk; gallop, but don’t walk; jet ski, but don’t walk

    You don’t often get a second shot at Wind Jetskii.

    ———

    With his versatility, smarts, speed, efficiency, attitude and experience, Nuge in your worst case scenario—short of the tendon pop heard around the world—is probably still the third-best player on this team.

    So, yes, our GM really does need to stick a skinless serrano where the sun doesn’t shine in order to appropriately fixate on Nuge’s next packet, what with no Grand Implosion Scenario to wake him in a cold sweat after dreaming about microwaving some leftover chicken–coconut pilaf, and every piece of fatty thigh meat begins to pop and bang and spray sticky rice over every available surface, and there’s one giant of a piece of Simamese thunderthigh with a huge neck circumference that hasn’t even budged or wheezed, but still you think it’s poised to spruematuba your entire meal and you’re desperately trying to trade this explosive, left-for-dead morsel for someone else’s wrackatoade, and you even have a dance partner, but both platters are already spinning, and somehow you can’t find the master yellow button to activate the microwave’s internal replicator-to-replicator flux-impervious mid-reheat exchange transporter. But whew, it was only a dream. [Cradles moist, bleary head in hands.] And in real life you did manage to find the magic yellow button and Nuge is 100% certified white meat and there’s no more leftover rice curry lurking in the fridge anyway, so chill man and get some rest.

    ———

    NHL expansion exclusion zone

    The Preds, Blues, Stars, Ducks, and Kings rim the sooty sheet; whereas the Jets, Preds, and Sharks melted their marshmallows without toasting their toenails. Apparently the Avs were protected from puff deposits by fluff from above. There’s no accounting in classical mythology, however, for a featherless Yote burrowing out from the ashes.

  65. duct tape and foil says:

    Yes the loss is heart-wrenching, sickening in fact, but how about we wait until the investigation even starts before attributing cause and blame. Unsourced blurry videos from social media are worth nothing in this world as we have seen in the absolutely scandalous fake Syrian gas attack in Douma. That certain attribution of blame and the resulting missile revenge attack only days later was blown apart by whistleblowers inside the OPCW who revolted against the propagandization of their investigation and twisting of results to suit political needs. Might be air defense gone wrong, might be engine failure, might be bomb, might be a lot of things. Timing and involvement of Ukraine is highly suspicious, but we need to wait for the data and I hope the Iranians release all of it. Back to hockey until we have actual information.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – The Edmonton connection to the Ukraine Airlines Boeing that wasshot down in Iran, is startling: so many accomplished, learned 1st generation Canadians, that were returning on that flight

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kassian down to the 3rd line for half a game and the haters come out. lol

    What have you done for me lately? Like, in the last 5 minutes?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      lol……. agreed

      human nature.

      Its happens to all of us at different points in time.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Personally speaking, I’m just wary of him playing well in a contract year (again) riding the wave into a big payday then coasting back to mediocrity. Where he’s spent the bulk of his career.

      I like Zack. I really do. When he’s on his game he’s a solid player. But I want more track than the final year of his contract to base his ‘raise’ off of.

      His history suggests he’s a 3RW able to move up in a pinch. He should be paid appropriately. And he is not the player you give term to lest you put the future ability of the team to consistently contend in peril.

  67. pts2pndr says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If Toffoli only costs a 2nd+prospect, they should jump on that. If he would extend that is.

    Too expensive and slow boots not really an upgrade given his contract.

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    I dont think its that big a knock on JJ to say he’s not getting it done.

    At age 20-23 he earned $894k on his ELC

    At age 23-24 he took a cut in pay to $675k…..at his age and upside this represnted value.

    But at age 25 this was to be a show me year. Show us who you are JJ. So we paid him $1.2m to find out if hes a middle six winger or a 4th liner.

    Turns out he’s a bottom sixer who can PK. On a shitty roster at low cost, he showed some promise. Now he’s showing us he’s probably not part of the solution moving forward.

    Its not a death sentence. He’s probably got an NHL future somewhere. Just not here as this roster gets stronger. imo

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis:
    I wonder if Philip Danault would be available and what his acquisition costs would be?One more year left on his deal at $3M and change…..

    I mentioned this last night and there was some very good talk about how good in yesterday’s blog (in the evening).

    Sounds like more of a known commodity than I anticipated and the Habs would be loathe to trade him for less than a ransom.

  70. geowal says:

    I don’t buy the Khaira injury idea one bit. All is poor play(s) are suggestive of issues between the ears. He might not feel 100%, making him slower, but that doesn’t excuse his decision making or general inability to whack a puck in any particular direction.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    ChiliChunk: Nygard made a nice play to dig it out of the scrum and head to the net but watching the replay I don’t think he actually passed it to Sheahan – more like Montreal #20 knocked the puck away from him right to Sheahan.

    https://www.nhl.com/video/nygard-sets-up-sheahan/t-311656590/c-5067606

    I think it came off of Fleury’s stick, I don’t think he knocked it off Nygard’s. Sheahan just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If Toffoli only costs a 2nd+prospect, they should jump on that. If he would extend that is.

    Would we want to extend?

    He’ll be 28 so some good years left, if his game recovers.

    At the same time, he’ll be looking for term and more than the $4.6M AAV of his existing deal.

    There would be much risk in a re-sign I think and I’m more apt to be patient, wait another 6-12 months for some more development of our d-men and then use either incumbent or developing d-men as the trade currency.

    Lets not forget, for next year, we are looking at:

    – $6.5M (give or take) for Nurse
    – $4M (give or take) for Bear
    – $3M plus for Kassian – or finding a replacement top 6

    Is Toffoli a guy we want to commit $5M plus for term to?

    • Genjutsu says:

      No. Not a great skater and this team has Real Deal and Chase already on the books next year.

  73. Dicky94 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Not really. How many has Neil scored with McDavid 5 on 5? I like Neil. Just don’t think he’s a fit with McDavid.

  74. duct tape and foil says:

    We know the org likes him, hell I like him as well, but those numbers are awful and it matches the eye test. I think the guy needs a change of scenery but he is a very good PK forward and cheap. The problem is that he’s more than giving back the excellent PK results at 5×5.

    If you sort PK stats for LW by SV% you get a few interesting options that might replace Khaira and help 5×5 further up the lineup.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=pk&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=ALL&pos=L&loc=B&toi=50&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    Saad is there, maybe Sorensen in SJS, and Lehkonen’s name pops up again. He’s my target and I’ve wanted the guy on the Oilers for years.

    dustrock:
    From Willis:

    Thanks to Chiasson’s goal, Jujhar Khaira managed to end a streak of 19 consecutive games in which the Oilers have been even or worse at five-on-five with him on the ice. He finished the night plus-1 at five-on-five, the first time since Nov. 16 that he and his linemates have outscored the opposition. With him on the ice over that span, the Oilers had been outscored 18-5.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers travelled back west after the game last night and landed around 2am (4 am on “their time”).

    They are practicing today shortly (around 2pm), so we’ll know more in a bit, however, Stauf is speculating that Koskinen likely starts tomorrow given the long travel day, etc.

    I’m just fine with that – huge game tomorrow and, if my memory serves me right, Mikko has generally played well in his first game after a long layoff.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marincin signs a one-year, $700K extension with the Leafs – he keeps hanging around – good on him.

    Caveat: phraseology above “borrowed” from Staples.

  77. pts2pndr says:

    Dustylegnd: I will take the under on $4 mill per year for Kassian with the Oilers…he may get that somewhere else, but not here…..Oiler Nation has themselves worked into a frenzy over Nurse and Kass…Nurse is an easy solve…its called Josh Morrisy….

    With Kass its simple….we saved your career, you can ride shotgun for Connor…this is the hard price and the hard term…take it or goodbye…this stuff is not that hard

    This is an easy thing for you to say but you are assuming both are easily replaceable for less money. This assumption may be based on what other players are currently being payed ie Morrisey. The reality is we have no idea what players are available and at what price. An old saying is the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. I will agree that team management has to be budget wary due to the cap. We must remember however the number of value contracts the people on this blog were up in arms over when they were signed. There is always an inflationary factor that has to be figured in when dealing with higher level players. Get good players keep good players.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ve read that Stauffer is suggestion the acquisition cost for Josh Anderson would be a 1st round pick PLUS Bouchard or Broberg and that his next contract would be around $5M.

    Now, that is total heresay, and the acquisition cost reads totally unreasonable to me, however, if true, ya that would be HARD NO, in particular on the acquisition cost – I would give up either of those pieces let alone both, not given his year.

    There’s no way his trade value is that high. That said, I don’t think CBJ will be selling him cheap, as the premise is that his poor production this year was due to him playing through a serious injury… I’d like to see him healthy and producing before acquiring him anyhow.

    Totally different player type, but I’d love it if Holland could parlay Puljujarvi into Ondrej Kase somehow. He’s a “buy-low” candidate, having missed significant time last year due to injury and this year seeing his production crash from the 30-goal, 55-point pace he was on pre-injury last season to an 11-goal, 35-point pace. He’s a 24-year-old right shooting RW who carries a $2.6M cap hit through next season, then becomes an RFA.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Might want to run him with quality linemates for 40 games to see what he can do in those circumstances. Nuge is a complementary player at five on five. That’s the harshest thing we can say about him. He is a quality two-way center, 51 percent in the dot, most common linemates James Neal and Alex Chiasson. 10 percent five on five shooting percentage.

    Quality linemates like, say, Drai and Yamamoto? Or Drai and Benson?

    51% – took some time, lots of time, but him no longer being a black hole on the draw is significant.

    Of note: that’s with playing with a less than 100% hand.

    Maybe Sheahan was abe to “Adam Oats him”?

  80. ArmchairGM says:

    Nit64: Other teams can’t offer 8 years so max length should be 7 years.

    Should we even go that long? Nuge will be 28 when signing that contract, a 7 year deal takes him through to 35. Some of those years will certainly be decline years, maybe most of them.

    • Material Elvis says:

      Most of those contracts have turned out to be albatross deals for the clubs who signed them. What makes Nuge any different other than a long track history of plus PP performance?

  81. Material Elvis says:

    JimmyV1965: Nuge 579 games
    157 g 410 pts

    Pageau 411 games
    82 g 172 pts

    I would much rather have Nuge at $7 mill.I’m not exactly thrilled with that contract, but Pageau is being way overrated here. He’s scored basically a quarter of his career goals in 43 games this year. This should be considered a massive outlier.

    I’m not sure why Nuge gets dissed because he’s so good on the PP. There are many teams that would love to get a PP wizard like Nuge. If Nashville had the choice of Nuge today over Johanssen, I bet they take Nuge because he would improve their wretched PP. I think Nuge at $7 mill would be much more tradable than Pageau at $5 mill.

    Their 5v5 numbers over the past 3 years are remarkably similar. Pageau has had way heavier Dzone starts and a slightly worse than average PDO. 5v5 is close to a wash. They both penalty kill. You are willing to pay a premium for Nuge’s PP ability, and I understand that. I just don’t know if it’s a wise move. Just trying to think of cost-effective ways to improve 5v5 scoring.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man am I liking Tip as our Head Coach.

    Biggest win? He leaves lines intact long enough to establish chemistry, but is also savvy enough to tweak slightly in game when he has a cold or hot hand.

    He seeks the favourable matchups. TMac by contrast often had a woody to go strength on strength. Clean air for your Fs. Music.

    Trusts his goaltenders. Do you think Laurent Brossoit sends Todd MacLellan Christmas cards? Me neither.

    He’s clearly effective at advance scouting and tweaking his system to suit the opposition. And he knows how to coach for offense. More often than not, the Top 6 is skating it in. The Bottom 6 is more dump & chase. This is players playing to their strengths and the HC encouraging it imo.

    Massive game tomorrow. Stock up on the spirits boys. It’s a cold one but we’ve scheduled a barnburner to make up for it.

    His in-game management last night was indeed successful – masterful line deployment as it turned out.

    Of note, he seemed to do a great job of spotting McDavid throughout the lineup for additional shifts but, at the same time, kept his overall minutes under 20 – important.

    I also have full confidence that he’ll got back to the “original lines” for the game tomorrow and not stay with the adjusted lines which, to me, is important.

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock: There is no chance in hell even Peter Chiarelli would overpay to that extent.Anderson is having a brutal year, I know very well because I took him in my hockey pool.

    His value should be at an all-time low right now.

    You can argue he should make $5m on his previous couple of years but as a rental why in the hell would he get more than a 2nd?

    4 points and -8 in 26 games this year, he has had zero shots on goal in his last 2 games.

    Pretty sure he’s been nursing a shoulder injury all season. He’s on IR and hasn’t played since Dec 14. Sure his value will be low, but not as low as a 2nd… and he’s not a rental either, he’s an RFA next summer.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis: The other question I have is where do you envision him playing?The Oilers look like they are trending to go with Connor and Leon as 1C/2C into the future, so are you signing RNH to play 3C or wing?Can that money buy you a more prolific scoring winger (a Mike Hoffman for example)?

    What about the value of a player than can play 2L, 3C or 2C – not to mention be a complementary player on PP1 or run a real PP2 and be a solid PK guy?

    I’m not saying to pay him $7M, that’s a tough call, just throwing out the versatility as a big plus.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Wrong interpretation.Tippett saw Kassian being lazy and entitled on the first line.So Tippett took away his meal ticket.Kassian had a flash of all his money vanishing before his eyes, and decided to start playing hockey again on the 3rd line.

    I didn’t provide any opinion on why he was taken off the first line – that was just a fact.

    I noted that Kass played well in a middle six role the rest of the game – he has value on a non-McDavid line – not $3.5M of value, likely, but value.

    Your opinion is noted. I personally don’t think that “effort” is something Tippett questions in Kass.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tippett mentioned today that Benning won’t return until after the all-star break.

  87. dustrock says:

    Neil Peart died Tuesday in California. RIP to maybe the greatest rock drummer ever.

    Tom Sawyer drum cam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5GMCxQS88

    YYZ drum cam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlPseoYbDK0

    • Gerta Rauss says:

      Oh that’s just terrible news

      RIP

    • Munny says:

      Absolutely tragic news. So very sad.

      Which reminds me… Is someone near GMoney with a worthy bottle of scotch?

      I think he could use a drink right now.

      RIP Neil. You were the GOAT and you will be missed.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Melman:
    Paulie,

    Another key factor is practice time – which by all reports they had little of in the 5-6 weeks before Christmas. Lots of days now for tinkering and working on things

    Absolutely, with 13 games in 24 days in December, there was essentially no time for real practices.

    This is important, in particular given we were at the time of the season where team’s could make adjustments based on how the Oilers were playing systematically.

    I’m not smart enough to know what they are but I’m thinking there have been some adjustments made recently – small adjustments but important ones.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    what are the qualifying rules for RNH?does he have to offered a certain % over what he makes now?or not , because he will be UFA?

    Nope, those only imply to RFAs (who need to be qualified at either 100% or 110, depending on age/experience, for the team to maintain their rights).

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: I will take the under on $4 mill per year for Kassian with the Oilers…he may get that somewhere else, but not here…..Oiler Nation has themselves worked into a frenzy over Nurse and Kass…Nurse is an easy solve…its called Josh Morrisy….

    With Kass its simple….we saved your career, you can ride shotgun for Connor…this is the hard price and the hard term…take it or goodbye…this stuff is not that hard

    You have stated the likely positions of the team heading in to negotiations. You are right, that is not hard.

    The rest of it is indeed hard.

    We can be fairly confident that Nurse will be looking for a higher AAV than the Morrissey contract – that will be a hard negotiation to keep the contract near the Morrissey number.

    Yes, I agree that its not hard to not pay Zack what the market may offer him but it is hard, at the same time, to just walk away and know there is an important hole that just opened up on the roster that won’t be cheap to fill.

  91. ArmchairGM says:

    Dicky94:
    ArmchairGM,

    Not really. How many has Neil scored with McDavid 5 on 5?I like Neil. Just don’t think he’s a fit with McDavid.

    It’s been 5 games, barely an hour worth of playing time. Neal has scored once in that time at 5v5, 3 goals total. McDavid was on the ice for all 3 but assisted on just one of them. Galchenyuk has scored zero goals in his last 5 games.

    This year Neal is scoring at a rate of 0.51 goals/60
    Galchenyuk is scoring at a rate of 0.33 goals/60

    Edit to add: I have no problem buying low (extremely low) on Galchenyuk, but expecting him to suddenly become an elite goal-scorer is ridiculous.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Lol, Holland wouldn’t pay that for Hall, he isn’t (shouldn’t) give that for Anderson. Heavens.

    Those aren’t really comparable trades though given, of course, Hall’s pending UFA status.

    Hall was traded as a pure rental with any extension likely to be a contract he doesn’t provide value for.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: There is no chance in hell even Peter Chiarelli would overpay to that extent.Anderson is having a brutal year, I know very well because I took him in my hockey pool.

    His value should be at an all-time low right now.

    You can argue he should make $5m on his previous couple of years but as a rental why in the hell would he get more than a 2nd?

    4 points and -8 in 26 games this year, he has had zero shots on goal in his last 2 games.

    Stuaff went in to a short defence re: not many true power forwards in the NHL, only one year removed from production, history of production, etc.

  94. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tippett mentioned today that Benning won’t return until after the all-star break.

    Probably for the best, even though the team could use him now. Godspeed, Matt.

  95. duct tape and foil says:

    I think the Oilers being a one line team is a artifact of the summer and matching results in October. But since that time the idea has not proven to be true (almost 50% GF%) and the bottom six has performed quite well for the most part (ex-Khaira and Russell). Drops are now being pissed regularly by Sheahan, Archibald, Nygard, Chaisson and Haas. I think the two older Euros will really benefit from a summer of training knowing what the game requires and will both be much better next year. Holes still to be filled but the summer acquisitions have performed well by and large.

  96. godot10 says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Yes the loss is heart-wrenching, sickening in fact, but how about we wait until the investigation even starts before attributing cause and blame. Unsourced blurry videos from social media are worth nothing in this world as we have seen in the absolutely scandalous fake Syrian gas attack in Douma. That certain attribution of blame and the resulting missile revenge attack only days later was blown apart by whistleblowers inside the OPCW who revolted against the propagandization of their investigation and twisting of results to suit political needs. Might be air defense gone wrong, might be engine failure, might be bomb, might be a lot of things. Timing and involvement of Ukraine is highly suspicious, but we need to wait for the data and I hope the Iranians release all of it. Back to hockey until we have actual information.

    Ukraine is the new Berlin.

  97. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Marincin signs a one-year, $700K extension with the Leafs – he keeps hanging around – good on him.

    Caveat: phraseology above “borrowed” from Staples.

    MacT being such a douche and not letting him go to the World Championships, while letting Klefbom, led to his alienation with the OIlers organization, and arguably the eventual Reinhart trade.

    Alienating both Petry and Marincin and losing both for effectively nothing with months of each other…so OIlers.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    From Willis:

    Thanks to Chiasson’s goal, Jujhar Khaira managed to end a streak of 19 consecutive games in which the Oilers have been even or worse at five-on-five with him on the ice. He finished the night plus-1 at five-on-five, the first time since Nov. 16 that he and his linemates have outscored the opposition. With him on the ice over that span, the Oilers had been outscored 18-5.

    Not much different than what was written about Drai just a couple weeks ago – of course, PP production with Drai.

  99. OilClog says:

    Anderson should only be a target if you like to cringe while enjoying your misery. He’s self admitting he can’t get out of his own head, he can’t figure out when to hit, shoot, pass, or spit. The Oilers are pushing for a division title, adding a player in such bad state with his game and own self identity doesn’t seem to rhyme with the Oilers needs. It would give Spector a new whipping boy every other paragraph, again something the Oilers, the players, and us the fans don’t need during a title push.

    Also Nuge is awesome, sign him. If he needs to be traded down the line, approach that bridge when it comes but his skill set in all aspects is sorely needed in all aspects for this club.

    Big rumors of Montreal tearing it all down, there’s some nice pieces the Oilers should be looking at to add. Hopefully Kenny doesn’t look at Carey or Shea though, hopefully.

  100. godot10 says:

    Josh Anderson can choose arbitration this summer to get to UFA status the following year. Athanasiou has to be qualified at over $3 million to retain his rights.

    Both would be high risk acquisitions unless one is getting them for “free”.

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Kassian down to the 3rd line for half a game and the haters come out. lol

    What have you done for me lately? Like, in the last 5 minutes?

    In regards to “what have you done lately” in the last 7 games Kassian has:

    0 goals
    2 assists
    -3 5v5

    While playing with the best player in the world.

    I showed the other day he brings to McDavid’s line the same thing a guy who couldn’t get a NHL contract brought (Rattie) and what 2 players who are 4th liners on their NHL teams brought (Caggilua, Maroon) in terms of helping the team beat the other team on the score board.

    Maroon hit more, fought more and scored more than Kassian while with McDavid.

    They had the same impact on EDM’s 5v5 goal share when McDavid was on the ice.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Yep Mama Kasses true value begins in the playoffs, where he has a unique skill set that shines in the second season and 30 other GM’s covet him for this atthe right price.

    We think this is true, and it likely is, however, he’s played 13 playoff games in his career (all in one year) and has 3 points. Mind you all goals and the production under-represents how he played, but, still.

  103. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: We think this is true, and it likely is, however, he’s played 13 playoff games in his career (all in one year) and has 3 points.Mind you all goals and the production under-represents how he played, but, still.

    There was no response from Kassian to Getzlaf’s physical domination of that series. Kassian is a little like Lucic. They both pick on little guys. They never really get physical with guys who can fight back.

    Kassian is no Maroon in that way. Maroon would actually engage guys where the outcome was not certain.

    I’m pretty sure Maroon will fight Tom Wilson in the playoffs. I don’t think Kassian would engage.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tippett post optional skate:

    – Decision on goalie will be made tomorrow. Confidence in both guys.

    – Not likely to see Benning until after the break

    – Jones only playing 7 minutes is somewhat situational – we’ve had a look at both young guys and we’ll see where it goes

    – Gagner not playing after looking like he would – lots of factors including PK.

    Nothing else really informative except, sidenote: Spector asks the most ridiculous questions in all the scrums – they are just silly – non-informative and annoying – at least in my opinion.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Probably the most apt three word description of the man in general.

      Might be missing something about the damage he does.

  105. Numenius says:

    godot10: Alienating both Petry and Marincin and losing both for effectively nothing with months of each other…so OIlers.

    And after we lost Petry (effectively) for free, we had to trade Hall to get another Petry back, albeit slightly younger and cheaper.

    What a disaster.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I called Caleb, Jesse and a draft pick but not the first, that was at training camp. Anderson has beenhurt and playing like Shit no way he is worth this ask.

    Of course not but that is what Stauf thinks the Jackets starting position will be and he did intimate some inside information “talking to people involved in these types of discussions” (or words to that effect).

    Its so far out of the realm of reasonableness that, if anything close to true, Anderson will not be traded.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dicky94:
    ArmchairGM,

    Not really. How many has Neil scored with McDavid 5 on 5?I like Neil. Just don’t think he’s a fit with McDavid.

    Neal has 1 5v5 goal in 159 minutes with McDavid.

    That’s 0.38/60 goals/60 with McDavid.

    That’s pretty awful.

    I’d like to see Benson there.

    With Benson’s elite passing I bet McDavid’s G/60 with him would be very good and Benson would pot his share as well.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Kassian down to the 3rd line for half a game and the haters come out. lol

    What have you done for me lately? Like, in the last 5 minutes?

    I put out a post the other day about criticizing a player or talking about a player not being worth a current or projected contract does not equate to hate – used the example that many like Darnell Nurse and want to keep him as a part of the core but not at $7M.

    With that said, in this case, I do think that Godot has “a hate on” vis-a-vis Kassian – well maybe not “a hate” but a preconceived narrative that can alter his rational analysis.

    That is said with respect, nothing against Godot – a top notch contributor.

  109. Bank Shot says:

    godot10: There was no response from Kassian to Getzlaf’s physical domination of that series.Kassian is a little like Lucic.They both pick on little guys.They never really get physical with guys who can fight back.

    Kassian is no Maroon in that way.Maroon would actually engage guys where the outcome was not certain.

    I’m pretty sure Maroon will fight Tom Wilson in the playoffs.I don’t think Kassian would engage.

    Kassian has fought Chara. You think he’d be afraid to engage Getzlaf?

    Basically zero chance Getzlaf would have fought Kassian or Lucic.

    Getzlaf is the spot picker out of those three. Just look at his fight card.

  110. Dicky94 says:

    Bank Shot,

    He fought that goon Ehlers for the Jets.

  111. duct tape and foil says:

    I like and have supported Kass for years, but he’s not owed a top line slot if he’s not producing, nor should not be relegated to the 4th line no matter what he does as the previous coach did. If Tip needs to move him down to wake him up, so be it, that’s just good coaching and utilization of the player. He’ll resign for a reasonable amount. Both player and team know they have a good thing going.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Numenius: And after we lost Petry (effectively) for free, we had to trade Hall to get another Petry back, albeit slightly younger and cheaper.

    What a disaster.

    Well, we drafted Caleb Jones with one of the picks….

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Of Nuge Danault and Pageau Nuge has been the best points producer. He’s had better line mates likely but also tougher assignments

    Danault is the same draft and is basically less good Nuge 15 pounds heavier. The thing is Danault and Pageau will get paid, Pageau this summer and Danault the one after. They won’t want to be 3C anymore so I don’t see a fit.

    If Galchenyuk had his ducks in a row he might be interesting. He shouldn’t get what he has as a salary this contract, and has some talent. But there is something behind the scenes not working and unless he’s going to be different than he has pretty risky.

    If he can change somebody might get a talent on the cheap. It’s a big if as it stands.

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bank Shot: Kassian has fought Chara. You think he’d be afraid to engage Getzlaf?

    Basically zero chance Getzlaf would have fought Kassian or Lucic.

    Getzlaf is the spot picker out of those three. Just look at his fight card.

    Lucic had a word with G in those playoffs and I remember G looking it off. Of course Lucic might have said tone it down or I’ll have to do something and I don’t want to ruin the summer poker party.

  115. jtblack says:

    KEN HAS A HISTORY. He also has a chance to change it. Starting with the Kassian contract.

    Nielsen, Frans “A” M-NTC C NHL 35 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 $5,250,000

    Abdelkader, Justin “A” NTC L RW NHL 32 $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000

    Helm, Darren NTC C, LW, RW NHL 32 $3,850,000 $3,850,000

    Filppula, Valtteri 35+NTC C, LW NHL 35 $3,000,000 $3,000,000

  116. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack,

    Only true top line players and top pairing D should get NTC

  117. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Was just going to chime in on this.

    Holland has already showed his cards with the Chiasson overpay.

    Watch what they do…not what they say.

    Ooh you make it sound so exciting. On another note is this the game Mackinnon goes off and catches Connor.

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    Bank Shot:
    Only in your fantasies.

    None of my fantasies involve Kassian or Beagle.

    But whataboutism is a very weak player assessment tool.

  119. maudite says:

    I’ll try and float this put again:

    Penguins want out of galchenyuk

    Hes definitely flawed but would it be worth it

    Jp and Russell for gal and what?

    It gets us out of having to protect Russell and gets dollars close it also opens up 3rd pair LD for younger cheaper.

    Gal can score

  120. Bag of Pucks says:

    dustrock:
    Neil Peart died Tuesday in California.RIP to maybe the greatest rock drummer ever.

    Tom Sawyer drum cam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5GMCxQS88

    YYZ drum cam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlPseoYbDK0

    Farewell to the King.

    “When I leave, I don’t know
    What I’m hoping to find
    When I leave, I don’t know
    What I’m leaving behind”

    Neil Peart, you left behind more than you’ll ever know and we thank you for it.

  121. leadfarmer says:

    maudite:
    I’ll try and float this put again:

    Penguins want out of galchenyuk

    Hes definitely flawed but would it be worth it

    Jp and Russell for gal and what?

    It gets us out of having to protect Russell and gets dollars close it also opens up 3rd pair LD for younger cheaper.

    Gal can score

    I’d keep JP and try to mend the fences or use him to pay the Seattle piper in a year

  122. leadfarmer says:

    I wonder what Arizona will want for Hall at the deadline

  123. Dicky94 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Was actually thinking this the other day. With the standings being so close there is a possibility they don’t make it. What would make it even worse is if they fall out after the deadline. Kinda glad Holland didn’t bite.

  124. McNuge93 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Lucic had a word with G in those playoffs and I remember G looking it off. Of course Lucic might have said tone it down or I’ll have to do something and I don’t want to ruin the summer poker party.

    The Oilers were not outmuscled or intimidated in that series like they were previously. Looch, Kass and Maroon definitely made a difference. I can remember Looch taking Getzlaf hard into the boards and G turning around ready to fight, but when he saw it was Looch he skated away. And the Oilers were doing a lot of great chirping at the Ducks from the bench.

  125. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer:
    I wonder what Arizona will want for Hall at the deadline

    In an hour Edmonton will be #1 in the division by points percentage… in an hour AZ will be clinging to the last wild card spot with Vancouver looming large in the rear view. Hall at the deadline indeed.

  126. leadfarmer says:

    Dicky94:
    leadfarmer,

    Was actually thinking this the other day.With the standings being so close there is a possibility they don’t make it. What would make it even worse is if they fall out after the deadline. Kinda glad Holland didn’t bite.

    Chayka has got to realize Hall is seeing that he had better linemates in Jersey and I’m guessing his odds of re-signing are about 5%
    Keller is a rookie again
    Kessel may not score 6 EV goals this year and bleeds on EV
    Schmaltz is good second liner
    Dvorak is more 3rd line than 1st line

  127. John Chambers says:

    ArmchairGM: In an hour Edmonton will be #1 in the division by points percentage… in an hour AZ will be clinging to the last wild card spot with Vancouver looming large in the rear view. Hall at the deadline indeed.

    I would be over the moon if AZ failed to make the playoffs. It would set their organization back in a big big way.

    With LA, San Jose, and Anaheim already on the front end of lengthy re-builds, the Pacific would be a cake-walk for the Canadian clubs including Vegreville for years.

  128. leadfarmer says:

    It’s hard to believe that Pittsburgh who are actively trying to move Galchenyuk got the much better end of the Kessel Galchenyuk deal
    Chayka just does not do forward well

  129. Ryan says:

    What about a trade like RNH for Max Domi?

    Why Montreal does it? They might not want to extend Domi at what he will want (rumors of this) and he’s an RFA.

    Gives them a really good center back that they can work to extend under slightly less pressure.

    Why the Oilers do it? Saves almost $3m cap at the deadline. Domi’s’ an RFA, younger than Nuge and fits McDavid cluster better. Domi also has a better track record at 5v5.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Same lineup for the Condors – Marody remains out sick and Sammy still with face issues from the puck in the face.

    Skinner starts (7 straight) – he’s been on fire.

    Here is hoping that McLeod get get some production between Benson and Currie.

    Go Kril – I want to see some PP time in the near future.

  131. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    I wonder what Arizona will want for Hall at the deadline

    Zing!

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    With the Yotes getting shutout for a second straight game, the Oilers can take sole possession of 1st place in the Pacific tomorrow night with even games played.

    Lets do this!

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great first shift for Maksi – battles hard, makes a strong drive to the net off a cycle and stopped on a HD scoring chance – more please.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund centering Benson and Currie – McLeod had that spot last game – damn.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    A second straight offensive possession shift by the Esposito/Cave/Maksimov line.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    maudite:
    I’ll try and float this put again:

    Penguins want out of galchenyuk

    Hes definitely flawed but would it be worth it

    Jp and Russell for gal and what?

    It gets us out of having to protect Russell and gets dollars close it also opens up 3rd pair LD for younger cheaper.

    Gal can score

    Isn’t Gally considered one of the worst defensive players in the NHL? I think he was when he played for the Habs. With that said, I consider that deal to dispose of the last year of Russell’s contract.

    Russell would waive his NMC for the expansion draft – his contract is up that off-season – even if chosen (which he wouldn’t be as he’s a pending UFA) he would have zero obligation to Seattle – he’s going to be a UFA, free to sign with whomever he wants.

    The only reason he wouldn’t waive would be to be a dick to the organization – don’t think he’s that type of guy and I’m quite confident he thanks the organization for their 5 years of commitment to him (and $19M).

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hall now has 8 points in 12 (maybe 13) games as a Yote and is -4 – Yotes have been shutout twice in a row.

    Are we all agreed that he simply isn’t an elite offensive producer?

    I’m sure he’d produce with McDavid or Drai but he wasn’t worth the acquisition cost as a rental and won’t be worth his next contract, unless under $8M for a max term of 4 years.

    In my opinion.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Line mates are a factor as well as sample size makes drawing too many conclusions dubious but yeah I’m concerned that he’s not the player he used to be.

      His reckless abandon style was a concern on draft day about his longevity and injuries have no doubt taken their toll.

  138. Nit64 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    For same per annum lfewer than 7 is better in all cases no case for 8.

  139. northerndancer says:

    Watching a bit of AV’s and Pengwengs. Damn those Av’s look like a Joe Sakic team. If they don’t win it this year then next will be their time. After a few minutes of watching Sens and Wings it is like watching real hockey. Great game. Fast transistions, Skill all over the ice.

    • Harpers Hair says:

      Worth noting…the Avs will have $32 million in cap space at the deadline.

      All the rentals are theirs.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund, Malone, Currie, Benson, Bouchard on the 5 on 3.

    Benson to Currie to Bouchard and a one-time bomb from the top of the circles and the Condors, who have been dominated for the first (generally) take a one nothing lead.

    Malone wins the draw, Bouch and Granlund play give and go across the blue, down to Benson down low, switches with Currie, passes to Currie at the bottom of the circles from behind the net and up to Bouch for the one-timer from the tip of the circles.

  141. northerndancer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Your perseverence is admirable OP. Glad to see you survived the HH wars..

    • Harpers Hair says:

      Was just going to ask him why he never mentions that the Condors are one of the worst teams in the AHL.

      • Darth Tu says:

        There are 15 teams with a lower win % than Bakersfield. There are 31 teams in the AHL.

        Low level bait. Usually your better than that.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    A second beautiful PP goal. This one on a 5 on 4.

    Granlund to Maksi, touch pass back to Day, over to Persson, cross-ice to Granlund at the right dot and he sets up Colby Cave for the one touch goal in front.

    Shots were 14-3 Reign until the PPs and now its 2-0 Condors.

    The PP hasn’t been dynamic for the year but looks wonderful so far tonight.

  143. northerndancer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The shot chart has the Reign putting all sorts of shots on Skinner. Is he playing that well or are they cheating for corsi?

  144. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Neal has 1 5v5 goal in 159 minutes with McDavid.

    That’s 0.38/60 goals/60 with McDavid.

    That’s pretty awful.

    I’d like to see Benson there.

    With Benson’s elite passing I bet McDavid’s G/60 with him would be very good and Benson would pot his share as well.

    Neal truly does look like a placeholder on that line. It almost seems like Lucic getting top 6 and PP mins last year. Except Neal is actually putting the puck in the net on the PP… so there’s that.

    Can a player play on PP1 and sit on the 4th line?

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors get in to penalty trouble in the 2nd – take a couple offensive zone penalties but the PK comes up strong and Stuart Skinner haven’t another fantastic game – stopped all 22 he’s faced.

  146. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hall won the Hart. If that’s not an elite player, I don’t know what is.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie stopped on a breakaway after a great stretch pass from Bouchard up the gut.

    Bouch is really playing strong hockey over the last 3 plus weeks – finding his all-around game and playing big minutes.

    Cal Petterson is keeping the Reign in the game similar to Skinner in the first.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Persson keeps the puck in, Joe G. battles behind the net, Miles Kouelis with a solid subsequent battle and pass back to the point to Persson walking in to the top of the circles and he buries it.

    13 points in 18 games for Persson.

    3-0 Condors.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reign get it right back – they win an offensive zone draw, player comes across the top of the circles and rips a plus shot past Skinner – it was a legit rocket snap shot.

    Skinner not only stopped 25 of 26.

  150. northerndancer says:

    Bad goalering sinks the Av’s in OT. There is no god in Colorado tonight. lol. Ffancouz shit the bed. oops.

    I may have to watch the Condors OP. Or add more to my glass and go for a walk along the lake. Cheers-ish

  151. Victoria Oil says:

    John Marino with another point tonight. He now has 0.5 points/game in the NHL. Last year, he had 0.33 P/G in the NCAA with Harvard. He is producing 5X his expected point total based upon his NHLE last year. I know the Penguins are a good team, but wtf?

    Could someone please explain this?

  152. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Isn’t Gally considered one of the worst defensive players in the NHL?I think he was when he played for the Habs. With that said, I consider that deal to dispose of the last year of Russell’s contract.

    Russell would waive his NMC for the expansion draft – his contract is up that off-season – even if chosen (which he wouldn’t be as he’s a pending UFA) he would have zero obligation to Seattle – he’s going to be a UFA, free to sign with whomever he wants.

    The only reason he wouldn’t waive would be to be a dick to the organization – don’t think he’s that type of guy and I’m quite confident he thanks the organization for their 5 years of commitment to him (and $19M).

    Or once again
    He is playing with at best mediocre talent
    As much as people thought that Arizona is going to win the division
    But that collection of forwards is not competitive
    Team is 23 in GF/game despite having a mid ranked pp
    Their only chance was god like goalering which is on IR

  153. leadfarmer says:

    Victoria Oil:
    John Marino with another point tonight.He now has 0.5 points/game in the NHL. Last year, he had 0.33 P/G in the NCAA with Harvard. He is producing 5X his expected point total based upon his NHLE last year. I know the Penguins are a good team,but wtf?

    Could someone please explain this?

    His NCAA team couldn’t afford Malkin?

    • Genjutsu says:

      I’m thinking he’s more of a late bloomer who’s been developing and evolving his game each year. Too bad he chose, correctly given a look at the depth charts, Pittsburg over Edmonton.

      It sure would be nice to have him at 3RD with Benning out.

    • Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

      I expected something like this, I followed him very closely, I considered him, like Willis did in an article about 1.5 – 2 years ago to be similar to Petry. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed that we couldn’t sign him. I have lower expectations for Kemp, but he will be an NHL dman, possibly even a 4-5 guy in 2 years. Kesselring is a player who really excites me, he could be a 2-4 guy in 4 years (these are of course not guaranteed, just what I see if thing break right). I also see Berglund as being a 4-6 Dman, I think all these guys (due to size, skating, age and skill) all have higher ceilings than Persson.

      Back to Marino, he came out of the USHL with a very good reputation as a very good skating, very good passing Dman with solid positioning and a high offensive upside. When he got to Harvard, from the get-go he was given the toughest assignments. By his third year, his deployment approached 70% dzone starts, the highest on-ice minutes and lots of PK time. At Harvard he had virtually no PP time.

      In his 1st year all the PP time went to Fox and a Sr who is out of hockey now. The next year PP time was given to Fox and freshman Rielly Walsh, who will be in NJ in about 3 yrs. And in his 3rd year, freshman Jack Rathbone was added to the group, was added to the PP group and Marino was given even more Defensive responsibilities. You will notice his stats seemed to have cratered in his 3rd year, but context is important (see Aapeli Rasanen).

      So basically Marino was strong in all the fundamentals when he got to Harvard and became a much better defensive player, while also improving on his passing skills. But in Pittsburgh, unlike Harvard, he is given the green light when it comes to joining the rush and exploiting offensive opportunities. I don’t think he is a better skater than Petry, but he is probably a better Dman than him, given his defensive prowess….

  154. maudite says:

    Its not ideal by any stretch but we have LHD that need at bats between jones and leg.

    We have gags off books biggest deficiency 3rd line RH C next year. The plus would have to be a plus but if its workable I see some imperfect merit to it all. You want to seize opportunities to oiler other teams loud speaker shopping player X. This is one of those moments maybe especially so if pit might like some added D depth

    OriginalPouzar: Isn’t Gally considered one of the worst defensive players in the NHL?I think he was when he played for the Habs. With that said, I consider that deal to dispose of the last year of Russell’s contract.

    Russell would waive his NMC for the expansion draft – his contract is up that off-season – even if chosen (which he wouldn’t be as he’s a pending UFA) he would have zero obligation to Seattle – he’s going to be a UFA, free to sign with whomever he wants.

    The only reason he wouldn’t waive would be to be a dick to the organization – don’t think he’s that type of guy and I’m quite confident he thanks the organization for their 5 years of commitment to him (and $19M).

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Worth noting…the Avs will have $32 million in cap space at the deadline.

    All the rentals are theirs.

    Hopefully the dispose of massive future assets – I’m sure Byram won’t be traded but dispose of that first rounder, Timmins, Newhook, Kaut, etc.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    northerndancer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The shot chart has the Reign putting all sorts of shots on Skinner.Is he playing that well or are they cheating for corsi?

    Skinner has been very good – so has Cal Petterson – lots of good chances both ways.

  157. maudite says:

    maudite,

    Like when coming off shortened season and Larson was being bench I was screaming yak for Larson

    Or when philly was floundering screaming trade abs and Shultz for courtierier and plus.

    We never seem to trade into those scenarios anymore for so long its sick.

    Position of strength trading…biggest reason we’ve been in desert this long. Knee jerk sell low

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Admiral Ackbar: Neal truly does look like a placeholder on that line. It almost seems like Lucic getting top 6 and PP mins last year. Except Neal is actually putting the puck in the net on the PP… so there’s that.

    Can a player play on PP1 and sit on the 4th line?

    Mark Letestu……

  159. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Worth noting…the Avs will have $32 million in cap space at the deadline.

    All the rentals are theirs.

    They have the Goaltending to win a series or two but not the 16 games it takes to win something the Canuck fans can only dream about.

  160. Bank Shot says:

    Victoria Oil,

    Marino’s IPP is 21 st in the NHL. He’s scoring almost 8 p/60 in his limited PP time.

    Most of the other defencemen with that kind of IPP have a much more dynamic skill set.

    I think his points this year are a combo of being a smart player, getting a lot of icetime, and some luck as well.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Hall won the Hart. If that’s not an elite player, I don’t know what is.

    He was definitely elite that one year. Of course, Jordan Cheechoo was elite one year as well

    He has had more than 65 points twice in his NHL career.

  162. Victoria Oil says:

    Ontario scores halfway thru the third. They have dominated the period so far. 3-2 Condors. Skinner looks solid.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Victoria Oil:
    John Marino with another point tonight.He now has 0.5 points/game in the NHL. Last year, he had 0.33 P/G in the NCAA with Harvard. He is producing 5X his expected point total based upon his NHLE last year. I know the Penguins are a good team,but wtf?

    Could someone please explain this?

    I can’t say it explains Marino but its not all that uncommon for non CHL d-men that don’t have a great pedigree of production in other leagues (NCAA, AHL, SHL) to “pop” offensively in the NHL where they play with more talented players who play according to the coach’s systems, etc. – Oscar Klefbom for example has produced more in the NHL than he did in the AHL or SHL.

  164. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hall now has 8 points in 12 (maybe 13) games as a Yote and is -4 – Yotes have been shutout twice in a row.

    Are we all agreed that he simply isn’t an elite offensive producer?

    I’m sure he’d produce with McDavid or Drai but he wasn’t worth the acquisition cost as a rental and won’t be worth his next contract, unless under $8M for a max term of 4 years.

    In my opinion.

    I’m gonna go ahead and say we’re not all agreed.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouch and Benson work the PP to get a plus shot on net, Petersson can’t control the rebound, Currie puts the second rebound on net and the PP is now 3 for 3 and the two goal lead restored.

  166. v4ance says:

    godot10: They have arrested over 100 people for starting fires in Australia.I don’t think arson qualifies as climate change.

    The Alberta fires are arguably due to too much fire fighting in previous decades which let forests get to mature and old and fire prone.The natural forest cycle was distorted for several decades.

    It is silly to build cities inside forests.The California fires were cause by cities being built in forested areas which the proper infrastructure.Many of thefires were cause the PG&E power lines (PG&E is now bankrupt) failing and strarting fires.PG&E now has to often turn off the power and have rolling blackouitsto prevent their equipment from causing forest fires.Hey but they did have money to spend on so-called green alternative energy, which really isn’t green, because they don’t talk about the radioactive lakes in China caused the rare earth metals mining essential to wind and solar power.

    The greenies hide all their radioactive lakes where Leo DiCaprio cannot fly his private jet to see them.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795218092/australias-wildfires-spark-disinformation-battle-as-they-take-a-tragic-toll

    Australia is struggling to cope with deadly infernos and faces losing nearly a billion animals in the terrible bushfires — but in the midst of those tragedies, authorities are also battling hoaxes and misinformation, including false reports of widespread arson. Many of the claims seek to suggest that arson, not climate change, was a key driver of the historic fires.

    ***

    “We found many accounts using #ArsonEmergency were behaving ‘suspiciously,’ compared to those using #AustraliaFire and #BushfireAustralia,” they said. “Accounts peddling #ArsonEmergency carried out activity similar to what we’ve witnessed in past disinformation campaigns, such as the coordinated behavior of Russian trolls during the 2016 US presidential election.”

    Around the same time the bot campaign hit its crescendo, news stories about the wildfires also touted a police report in hard-hit New South Wales, where authorities recently announced that they have taken legal action against more than 180 people for fire-related offenses. But only a small fraction of those people face charges that might be construed as arson, and the figure also spans a period that began in late 2019.

    The NSW police said that while 24 people were charged with deliberately lighting bushfires, 53 faced legal actions — which include a warning — for not complying with a statewide ban on fires. And the overall number also includes 47 people who were accused of not properly disposing of lit cigarettes or matches.

    Documenting a further convolution in the narrative, Australia’s ABC reports, “Some of the misinformation includes the idea left-wing ‘ecoterrorists’ are behind some fires.”

    On Friday, an employee of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp in Australia raised concerns about the company’s coverage of the wildfires, accusing the publisher of newspapers such as The Australian and the Herald Sun of carrying out an irresponsible “misinformation campaign.”

    “I find it unconscionable to continue working for this company, knowing I am contributing to the spread of climate change denial and lies,” Emily Townsend, a commercial finance manager at News Corp, wrote in an all-staff email. She added that the newspapers’ angles of coverage were “not only irresponsible, but dangerous and damaging to our communities and beautiful planet.”

  167. Side says:

    v4ance: https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795218092/australias-wildfires-spark-disinformation-battle-as-they-take-a-tragic-toll

    Australia is struggling to cope with deadly infernos and faces losing nearly a billion animals in the terrible bushfires — but in the midst of those tragedies, authorities are also battling hoaxes and misinformation, including false reports of widespread arson. Many of the claims seek to suggest that arson, not climate change, was a key driver of the historic fires.


    ***

    “We found many accounts using #ArsonEmergency were behaving ‘suspiciously,’ compared to those using #AustraliaFire and #BushfireAustralia,” they said. “Accounts peddling #ArsonEmergency carried out activity similar to what we’ve witnessed in past disinformation campaigns, such as the coordinated behavior of Russian trolls during the 2016 US presidential election.”

    Around the same time the bot campaign hit its crescendo, news stories about the wildfires also touted a police report in hard-hit New South Wales, where authorities recently announced that they have taken legal action against more than 180 people for fire-related offenses. But only a small fraction of those people face charges that might be construed as arson, and the figure also spans a period that began in late 2019.

    The NSW police said that while 24 people were charged with deliberately lighting bushfires, 53 faced legal actions — which include a warning — for not complying with a statewide ban on fires. And the overall number also includes 47 people who were accused of not properly disposing of lit cigarettes or matches.

    Documenting a further convolution in the narrative, Australia’s ABC reports, “Some of the misinformation includes the idea left-wing ‘ecoterrorists’ are behind some fires.”

    On Friday, an employee of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp in Australia raised concerns about the company’s coverage of the wildfires, accusing the publisher of newspapers such as The Australian and the Herald Sun of carrying out an irresponsible “misinformation campaign.”

    “I find it unconscionable to continue working for this company, knowing I am contributing to the spread of climate change denial and lies,” Emily Townsend, a commercial finance manager at News Corp, wrote in an all-staff email. She added that the newspapers’ angles of coverage were “not only irresponsible, but dangerous and damaging to our communities and beautiful planet.”

    I find it funny how climate change deniers who say it’s a hoax despite overwhelming evidence stating otherwise, are incredibly gullible when it comes to believing obviously fake news.

    Poor godot.

  168. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Side: I find it funny how climate change deniers who say it’s a hoax despite overwhelming evidence stating otherwise, are incredibly gullible when it comes to believing obviously fake news.

    Poor godot.

    GODOT is factually correct on his first three assertions … so give it a fucking rest.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Perhaps but it doesn’t change the fact that we continue to put more carbon into the atmosphere each year.

      The real problem is there are simply too many people on the planet.

      No wants to talk about population control.

  169. meanashell11 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    What Australia needs is a good douche…. oh here it is.

  170. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    meanashell11,

    Nice to see you being introspective … self assessment is always a healthy thing.

    • meanashell11 says:

      Repartee not your strong suite I see. I know you are old. Probably up taking a pee in the middle of the night when you responded. I’ll give you a pass.

      • Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

        Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion and there are a lot of opinions on here. And as much as I have some very strong opinions when it comes to politics, climate change, religion, etc. I won’t share my views of such things here, because:

        1. This is an Oilers blog
        2. I won’t convince anyone that I am right and they are wrong
        3. There is ugliness everywhere, I come here to escape that

        Please fellow Lowetidians, let’s be better, there are so many amazing folks here who have much to contribute, but can we rein in some of the stuff being expressed here?

        I beg you all, as someone who served in multiple war zones, can we please keep the contentious non-Oiler talk to a minimum.

        FWIW, I have a very low tolerance for the things that cause war, even at a basic level. This includes disrespect, including intolerance of others’ POV and personal attacks.

        At minimum, please respect our fine host, he has essentially built this amazing place out of love for all of you. Please.

  171. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Should we even go that long? Nuge will be 28 when signing that contract, a 7 year deal takes him through to 35. Some of those years will certainly be decline years, maybe most of them.

    I’m no fan of long deals straight off an ELC. This is why.

    A bridge first and then control to early thirties. The team gets the heart of the players career and can still be dealt to reset or if retained a shorter less expensive deal could be made.

    28-29 is about the worst age to resign a good player.

  172. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers

    https://theathletic.com/1523468/2020/01/11/lowetide-projecting-william-lagessons-future-with-the-edmonton-oilers/

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side: I find it funny how climate change deniers who say it’s a hoax despite overwhelming evidence stating otherwise, are incredibly gullible when it comes to believing obviously fake news.

    Poor godot.

    I just want people to know that you can believe the climate is changing without believing in catastrophic climate change. You can also believe weather conditions this year have made Australia vulnerable to forest fires, that the arson thing is silly, while also maintaining that catastrophic scenarios are driven by the climate change industrial complex.

    We can all agree that govt policy in Australia has made the situation much worse. They have clearly prevented people and municipalities from implementing forest mngt practises to reduce the fuel loads.

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