Slip Kid

It’s never a good thing when news arrives half an hour before game time that pertains to your best shutdown defenseman. No matter what you think of Adam Larsson, there was no dispute about his ranking before last night’s game and there sure as hell isn’t any debate after that game.

Oilers missed an opportunity last night. A big one. Tipped pucks, bad luck and a parade to the penalty box. Bitter pill. How will this team perform on Friday? Perhaps we’ll see 60 minutes of complete hockey.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

TIME ON ICE

Always listen to the coach after a game like this one, you’re going to get some raw emotion. However, another thing to observe is time on ice. Here are the forwards five on five, I’ve placed in bold the lead stories:

  1. Kailer Yamamoto 15:39
  2. Leon Draisaitl 15:28
  3. Connor McDavid 13:36
  4. Andreas Athanasiou 11:28
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 10:58
  6. Josh Archibald 10:07
  7. Jujhar Khaira 9:58
  8. James Neal 9:34
  9. Alex Chiasson 9:25
  10. Zack Kassian 6:19
  11. Tyler Ennis 6:12 (injured)
  12. Riley Sheahan 5:42

When a coach faces an injury, he can double shift one of his best players or drop two forwards (usually penalty killers in my opinion) and run three lines. Tippett, who needed that win, ran three lines and benched two veterans. There’s no way to mistake what happened here.

THE GOALS AGAINST

Olli Maatta’s first period goal began with Patrick Kane retrieving the puck from behind the net, Kris Russell and James Neal having won the battle but losing the war. Kane sends a pass right to left and Maatta grabs it at the blue line. Maatta’s shot finds the net, with Dach, Highmore and Russell all providing a screen for the goaltender.

The first Jonathan Toews goal was a fluke but still counted. Darnell Nurse couldn’t stop the pass nor the shot (it wasn’t really a shot) with Koskinen and Draisaitl also in photo. A damnable goal, the Gods must like Jim Cornelisonson.

The Matthew Highmore goal saw Nurse poke the puck to Bear who sent it along its merry way to Riley Sheahan. Sheahan not only didn’t get the puck out, he booted it to Hawks’ forward Ryan Carpenter. Carpenter to the point, Maatta across the ice to Koekkoek, who hammered it (fly-by from Kassian was disappointing), nice tip, Koskinen had no chance.

The second Jonathan Toews goal, Toews wins faceoff, nice little move from Kubalik to get the puck back to Duncan Keith, over to Connor Murphy and a perfect tip by Ethan Bear for the GWG. Credited to Toews, no idea why.

MAKING SENSE OF IT

The Oilers took too many penalties. You can blame the ref and there were some ghastly calls for sure, but the lack of discipline (Yamamoto, Archibald, Athanasiou) was incredible. The call against Russell was silly, especially when the team was already down a man. The non-call on Dach versus Ennis was ridiculous. None of it matters today. The game is in the history books, the Oilers lack of discipline derailed any chances of the team rolling four lines and three pairings.

THE LINES (Numbers five on five)

Athanasiou-Draisaitl-Yamamoto: 7:37, 3-4 Corsi, 2-0 shots, 1-0 HDSC. The line cycled well on a couple of shifts and had two good looks. I expect we’ll see this trio on Friday afternoon. Athanasiou gives this line a completely different look.

Nuge-McDavid-Archibald: 7:25, 7-3 Corsi, 5-1 shots, 1-0 HDSC. I liked this line but would have loved it if there was a five on five goal. Nuge played a strong game, he’s a different player this year. He could always be counted on to be in the right place and right time, but now he’s impacted the plays more and it’s more obvious how smart he is. McDavid is such a talented player, his goal showing off superhero hands. Archibald was a little filthy on the night, took a penalty and gave Kirby Dach the scare of his life.

James Neal-Jujhar Khaira-Alex Chiasson: Played 6:28, 9-6 Corsi, 3-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-1 HDSC. I’m so happy with this line I hope to see it in December. Khaira’s faster, Neal’s healthy and Chiasson knows how to work. Khaira found iron, Neal had a couple of fine chances and Chiasson had a couple of lesser opportunities.

Ennis-Draisaitl-Yamamoto: 3:58, 4-3 Corsi, 3-0 shots, 1-0 goals, 1-1 HDSC. This line scored at five on five and I wonder if we’d be having a different conversation if Ennis had played all three periods. Draisaitl had a fine game, scored twice and had an assist. The success was tempered by a lost faceoff to Toews and the emerging pain in the ass that is Kirby Dach. Yamamoto is one of my favourite players, love his buzzing around but he can’t take penalties 10 miles from his net.

Athanasiou-Sheahan-Kassian: Played 2:40, 2-0 Corsi, 1-0 shots, 1-0 HDSC. Sheahan-Athanasiou had a nice look early, could have been a difference maker. Kassian was physical and didn’t take any penalties, but he didn’t accomplish much. His ole on the Koekkoek shot that resulted in the Highmore goal was poor form.

DEFENSE (Numbers five on five)

Darnell Nurse-Ethan Bear: 14:13, 13-12 Corsi, 6-8 shots, 0-2 goals, 3-5 HDSC. Definitely too high event, and the duo played in some bad luck. Nurse was part of the slow-mo first Toews goal, Bear tipped in the winner. Nurse had a tough night. He had three giveaways and seemed out of sync. Bear, despite doing many good things, was a major factor in the winning goal. I stan both of these players (my kids say stan means good) but they struggled on the night.

Oscar Klefbom-Kris Russell played 13:55, 7-14 Corsi, 5-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-0 HDSC. Klefbom played well, lacking only his usual offensive flair. Russell won the battle behind the net that preceded the first goal against, but he and Neal couldn’t secure the puck. Russell did have enough time to screen his goaltender. Made a fantastic block on a Dach point-blank chance later in the game. The penalty against Russell isn’t called by a referee familiar with hockey.

Caleb Jones-Matt Benning: Played 8:16, 10-2 Corsi, 5-1 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-0 HDSC. I thought this pair should have played more. Jones played a safe game and I thought he did well. Benning picked up and assist on Draisaitl’s second goal by coming off the bench and sending an excellent shot on goal.

GOALIE

Mikko Koskinen stopped just 21 of 25 (.840) but the only goal he played poorly was the Toews power-play marker (he was out of position). I have no quarrel with his game beyond that play.

THE FUTURE

I wanted to give you a head’s up on the next few days. I’ll have GDT’s up each morning the Oilers play, followed by a postmortem the following day. After that, I’ll be spending time on the offseason shuffles and the draft. Do you have a preference? Let me know.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we have a great lineup loaded with hockey talk on TSN1260. Daniel Nugent-Bowman from The Athletic joins us to talk about last night’s game, including penalties and the injury to Tyler Ennis. Frank Seravalli from TSN will pop in at 11 to give us a world view of the playoffs and a big weekend for the seven remaining play-in series. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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179 Responses to "Slip Kid"

  1. Ben says:

    #TipByBearForLafreniere

  2. JJS says:

    The games still feel like early season tune-ups. Loose and easy.

    I wonder if the Oil would be playing better against a more structured team?

    They look a bit casual.

    This is where a guy like Lowe, Jason Smith or Pronger would make all the difference. A d-man leader who can galvanize the team and crack the whip.

    I can’t think of anyone on the current team who fits that bill

  3. Darth Tu says:

    I’ve awakened this morning still as grumpy as I was last night when I went to bed.

    There were silly penalties taken, but to my (biased) eye the refs were also calling everything they could against the Oil. How in hell is the Dach hit not boarding? If that was Kassian hitting Kane behind the Chicago net (if only Kassian would wake up) 100% it’s called as a penalty, injury or no injury.

    I hope Ennis is ok, but that didn’t look good at all. Who’s up next, Nygard?

  4. Eh Team says:

    JJS: This is where a guy like Lowe, Jason Smith or Pronger would make all the difference. A d-man leader who can galvanize the team and crack the whip.

    Oilers deserve to be up in the series (so do Nashville and Pittsburgh) but you can see their weaknesses being exposed. They need another top 4 d’man and they need more skilled forwards so that someone else can pop the odd goal. Yeah, and Jones and Benning need to play more to keep the other two pairings from being overextended.

  5. Bag of Pucks says:

    I suspect Tippett will go back to Smith in Game 4. Koskinen didn’t lose the game alone, but he didn’t win it either.

    However it turns out, this will be a defining decision for the HC. Hope he gets it right.

    Whoever the tender is, Nurse needs to play much much better.

  6. meanashell11 says:

    I can not believe how bad the reffing has been the last two games.

  7. Jordan says:

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are team with two of the best players on the planet and can’t seem to find a way to win games in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are team playing two rookie defencemen in the playoffs and trying to find wins in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team that’s having great difficulty scoring 5-on-5 goals in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team that are on the bubble of being a good team in the National Hockey League.

  8. dustrock says:

    I posted hella lot on twitter last night so I’ll get this one long rant off my chest and then I should be done for day.

    Lots of thoughts:

    (1) This team truly isn’t great on 5v5, and Drai’s even strength goals came off broken plays from some fine forechecking. When they get in the “halfcourt” offence, they don’t score. If hockey, and playoff hockey in particular is a pinball game from the point, the Oilers are not equipped to win like that. You can see some good cycles by the Drai and Khaira lines in particular, but the forwards end up trying cutesy passes with each other. I don’t think there’s any trust in the D delivering shots from the point, and as much as I like Klefbom as a retriever on the PP, he must only get 1/6 shots through for a tip. I realize it’s boring hockey to blast from the point and have a guy screen Crawford, but too bad, it works. Our best screener through 3 games has been….Kailer Yamamoto, who might be the only hockey player shorter than me. Not ideal.

    (2) Someone posted that Keith, Maata and Koekoek for Cocoa Puffs are #1-3 in d-man scoring for the playoffs. The Chicago D, even if they are getting torched sometime on D, are definitely contributing on offence. We have no D who can contribute offensively, and I wonder if someone like Bear, who has the best shot from the point and is a good distributor, is being shut down a bit by Chicago’s speed (and maybe playing too cautious).

    (3) I’ve criticized Larsson many, many times, but if he excels at 1 thing, it’s clearing out the blue paint. I’m too angry/lazy to watch video from Games 2 and 3, but the amount of real estate that the Hawks were squatting on last night was outstanding. The overall hustle was fine, but it’s like all the other d-men are incapable of bodying the Hawks forwards. If he’s not back the Oilers lose this series.

    (4) I’ve criticized Nurse many, many times, and I’m still not sure what he’s good at. His coverage shouldn’t be this poor and I agree with EH TEAM that the solution is to play Jones/Benning more, not less.

    (5) Not sure why Kassian is playing at this point. I’ve been vocal about the extension since before it was signed and every week it seems more and more like a mistake. For a guy that was a pretty great playoff guy in 2017, he looks like he’s going through the motions.

    (6) You’re telling me Haas and Nygard couldn’t put on as good a performance as Sheahan and Kassian?

    (7) Beautiful hands on the PP otherwise, and lord knows McDavid can’t be blamed for last night, but Chicago was shutting him down pretty good. Not a lot of clean air. We haven’t had a game yet where both 97 & 29 are on fire, and it’s pretty much up to them, so here’s hoping for tomorrow.

  9. ArmchairGM says:

    Eh Team: Oilers deserve to be up in the series (so do Nashville and Pittsburgh) but you can see their weaknesses being exposed.They need another top 4 d’man and they need more skilled forwards so that someone else can pop the odd goal. Yeah, and Jones and Benning need to play more to keep the other two pairings from being overextended.

    Or go

    Klefbom – Benning
    Russell – Jones

    if Larsson isn’t ready on Friday. I like the balance with this better… Klefbom really hasn’t been playing well this series, and Larsson’s been even worse. I know they get something like 30% OZS, but still.

  10. ArmchairGM says:

    Bag of Pucks: I suspect Tippett will go back to Smith in Game 4. Koskinen didn’t lose the game alone, but he didn’t win it either.

    I agree that’s likely. It’ll probably be fatal, but I can see Tippett going with Smith anyhow.

  11. RT26 says:

    Holland added Mike Green for just this reason, shame COVID-19 robbed us of that depth when we really needed it.

    I hated the penalties, but they were deserved (except for Athanasiou on Kane, that was weak) for the most part.

    And while we deserve to be winning, we have not been the demonstrably superior team. Chicago has done a decent job at times of dropping their D back faster to limit the effectiveness of our rush game.

    I would put Nuge back with Draisaitl and Yamamoto and then try Haas or Nygard with McDavid. Both can skate and have some defensive conscience. Not sure what has happened to Kassian

  12. godot10 says:

    Pittsburgh can’t survive Jack Johnson. The Oilers can’t survive Zack Kassian.

    When McDavid notices and comments Zack’s lack of effort and commitment on national TV….

    The two games lost by the Oilers could have been victories in Kassian had been interested in the game. Three non-efforts by him at critical moments.

  13. Fuge Udvar says:

    They seem to get stuck in these ruts where they try to make perfect plays and set up their exact structure in the offensive zone. Instead of using their team quickness to get pucks on net, create chaos, win the races and create gaps. Lots of deferring to McDavid and Draisaitl even when they are covered. Their wingers need to play with more confidence instead of expecting McDavid and Draisaitl to go supernova.

    They need to run it between the tackles more to give McDavid and Draisaitl the room to wheel later.

  14. dustrock says:

    In the cold light of the morning, I also came to the following conclusion that the Oilers lost for one of 2 reasons:

    (1) Someone from Edmonton, and not one of the outlying places (Bon Accord, Leduc, Ardrossan, etc) won the 50/50;

    (2) The 50/50 was closed prior to the game being on.

  15. Woogie63 says:

    Can you win with Russell, Larsson, Benning basically contributing no offense?

    Nurse and Klefbom are solid and additive.

    Bear and Jones are early but do we have a 50 point defensemen other than Bouchard?

  16. Darth Tu says:

    Woogie63:
    Can you win with Russell, Larsson, Benning basically contributing no offense?

    Nurse and Klefbom are solid and additive.

    Bear and Jones are early but do we have a 50 point defensemen other than Bouchard?

    The Bro. But not for years.

  17. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    RE: “The second Jonathan Toews goal, Toews wins faceoff, nice little move from Kubalik to get the puck back to Duncan Keith, over to Connor Murphy and a perfect tip by Ethan Bear for the GWG. Credited to Toews, no idea why.”

    It is hard to see but after deflecting off of Bear’s stick the puck is actually heading wide of the net, it glances off of Toews knee and goes back towards the net in behind Koskinen. No chance for Koski on this one. Way to much blame in the MSM on Bear for this as well. HE did his job, bad luck (good positioning by Toews).

    EDIT: In reading the rest of the blog now, I guess Bear is getting dumped on here as well as MSM for his tip. IT was going wide before it re-directed again off of Toews.

  18. Spartacus says:

    JJS:
    The games still feel like early season tune-ups.Loose and easy.

    I wonder if the Oil would be playing better against a more structured team?

    They look a bit casual.

    This is where a guy like Lowe, Jason Smith or Pronger would make all the difference.A d-man leader who can galvanize the team and crack the whip.

    I can’t think of anyone on the current team who fits that bill

    Haha… how does Pronger fit in the same sentence as Lowe and Gator?

    Pronger was absolutely dominant at everything. Lowe and Smith were shutdown defensemen who seldom saw the net, never mind threw a shot in that direction.

    I’d say we could use a Pronger, but an Adam Larsson would have been helpful.

  19. godot10 says:

    The Oilers can bring Nygard and Haas in for an injured Ennis and a disinterested lazy Kassian.

    Koskinen is the right choice for Friday.

  20. hunter1909 says:

    Bad luck with the team in 4th place then the points always loving NHL decides to screw Oilers on percentages.

    Bad luck drawing the recent 3X champion fucking Blackhawks who despite arrogant thoughts prior to the reality we all now share…

    https://oilersdeathmarch.com/playoffs-2020/

  21. Eh Team says:

    Spartacus: I’d say we could use a Pronger, but an Adam Larsson would have been helpful.

    Yeah, Petry would look good too. Hard to overcome Oiler management over the years.

  22. hunter1909 says:

    The Atlanta Thrashers north.

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    Woogie63: Can you win with Russell, Larsson, Benning basically contributing no offense?

    In this series, Russell and Benning are #1 and #2 in shots/60 among Oilers defensemen that have played at least 10 minutes. And Benning has a history of scoring well in limited minutes, which you’ll see in this chart of 5v5 P/60 for the past 3 years:

    Nurse: 1.03 P/60 (4476:33 TOI)
    Jones: 0.89 P/60 (876:25)
    Benning: 0.87 P/60 (2561:58)
    Bear: 0.79 P/60 (1601:07)
    Russell: 0.70 P/60 (3335:37)
    Klefbom: 0.68 P/60 (3361:10)
    Larsson: 0.57 P/60 (3590:54)

    Klefbom is a prime trade target prior to the expansion draft IMO. Should be able to get a pretty nice young forward for him (a Max Domi type), then go 7-3-1 and protect Caleb Jones.

  24. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    dustrock:
    I posted hella lot on twitter last night so I’ll get this one long rant off my chest and then I should be done for day.

    Lots of thoughts:

    (1) This team truly isn’t great on 5v5, and Drai’s even strength goals came off broken plays from some fine forechecking.When they get in the “halfcourt” offence, they don’t score.If hockey, and playoff hockey in particular is a pinball game from the point, the Oilers are not equipped to win like that.You can see some good cycles by the Drai and Khaira lines in particular, but the forwards end up trying cutesy passes with each other.I don’t think there’s any trust in the D delivering shots from the point, and as much as I like Klefbom as a retriever on the PP, he must only get 1/6 shots through for a tip.I realize it’s boring hockey to blast from the point and have a guy screen Crawford, but too bad, it works.Our best screener through 3 games has been….Kailer Yamamoto, who might be the only hockey player shorter than me.Not ideal.

    (2) Someone posted that Keith, Maata and Koekoek for Cocoa Puffs are #1-3 in d-man scoring for the playoffs.The Chicago D, even if they are getting torched sometime on D, are definitely contributing on offence.We have no D who can contribute offensively, and I wonder if someone like Bear, who has the best shot from the point and is a good distributor, is being shut down a bit by Chicago’s speed (and maybe playing too cautious).

    (3) I’ve criticized Larsson many, many times, but if he excels at 1 thing, it’s clearing out the blue paint.I’m too angry/lazy to watch video from Games 2 and 3, but the amount of real estate that the Hawks were squatting on last night was outstanding.The overall hustle was fine, but it’s like all the other d-men are incapable of bodying the Hawks forwards.If he’s not back the Oilers lose this series.

    (4) I’ve criticized Nurse many, many times, and I’m still not sure what he’s good at.His coverage shouldn’t be this poor and I agree with EH TEAM that the solution is to play Jones/Benning more, not less.

    (5) Not sure why Kassian is playing at this point.I’ve been vocal about the extension since before it was signed and every week it seems more and more like a mistake.For a guy that was a pretty great playoff guy in 2017, he looks like he’s going through the motions.

    (6) You’re telling me Haas and Nygard couldn’t put on as good a performance as Sheahan and Kassian?

    (7) Beautiful hands on the PP otherwise, and lord knows McDavid can’t be blamed for last night, but Chicago was shutting him down pretty good.Not a lot of clean air.We haven’t had a game yet where both 97 & 29 are on fire, and it’s pretty much up to them, so here’s hoping for tomorrow.

    Very nice. Agree on all of the above

  25. flea says:

    Tough game but they aren’t dead yet. Look at Pittsburg in the same position.

    Only difference is Pittsburg is playing well and dealing with a hot goalie in Price (haven’t watched much of that series but that seems to be the verbal)

    Agree with the Oilers cycle game – they can whip it around the boards but never seem to get out of simple, telegraphed plays. Where the Hwaks are more dynamic and take advantage of breakdowns.

    Hawks have been the better team, stats aside.

    Again – my only glimmer of hope is the Oilers haven’t really found their game yet – but now they are out of time to keep searching. Back to Back wins or yer done boys!

  26. tileguy says:

    Well Mike Smith, the stage is set for you to be the hero. If he wins Friday my gut instincts tell me Tip will play him Saturday as well.

  27. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The bad habits of the Oilers for the past several years are biting them in the ass here. They cannot play consistent hockey games (in a row, or for 60 minutes).

    The teams that have played the best games have won those games in the series so far.

  28. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Shots from the point are causing problems for Crawford. need MANY more shots from the point with traffic in front.

  29. Eh Team says:

    tileguy: Well Mike Smith, the stage is set for you to be the hero. If he wins Friday my gut instincts tell me Tip will play him Saturday as well.

    If Smith plays, it probably is the end of Koskinen in Edmonton. Much like Ridditch is done in Calgary.

  30. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The new Kassian contract caused me some indigestion when it was announced (4y @ 3.2M for those of you that need a reminder). The caveats were “good in the playoffs”, & “a tradeable contract”.

    Now post-COVID and flat cap for AT LEAST the next 2 years and a truly APATHETIC play-in performance and this contract is a true detriment to the next 4 years of Cap Space.

  31. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Eh Team: If Smith plays, it probably is the end of Koskinen in Edmonton.Much like Ridditch is done in Calgary.

    Koskinen is the better goalie of the two and it isn’t close.
    He has fault on the 2nd goal last night, but none other so far this play-in series.

  32. tileguy says:

    When the Oil lost game 1 it meant they had to win 3 of the next 4 games meaning they had to win 2 in a row. I guess that time is upon us. Not impossible. (Am I doing this right OP?)

  33. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    I really feel for Tyler Ennis. If that knee injury is what it looks (ligaments), that may have been his last NHL game. Coming off surgery and rehab he will be 31+ yrs old. Damn Damn Damn. I liked him for this team for the playoffs (picked him as my “Pisani”) and for next year on a decent contract. I really hope the knee injury is not as bad as it looks for the player and the team.

  34. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    With the injuries and apathy, here is a suggestion for Friday (Tipp, if you are reading):

    RNH-McD-Archi
    Nyg-Drai-KY
    AA-Shea-Haas
    Neal-JJ-Chia

    I contemplated Haas in for Shea, but Shea PK work is excellent. Having Haas on the line provides a RHC for the line and other instances when a RHC is needed, i.e., DZone right side face-off losses are killing the Oilers.
    The 4th line is working well.
    AA can drive the 3rd line and provide depth to the line-up (don’t move him up to the top 6).
    Consider switching Haas and Archie for a few shifts
    Consder switching Nyg and RNH.

  35. Eh Team says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Koskinen is the better goalie of the two and it isn’t close.

    No question he is better. But Smith is going to play game 4 based on Tippett’s past decisions.

  36. Jordan says:

    You know, I’m kinda curious who’s draft lottery luck would prevail…

    Hall & the Coyotes

    vs

    Katz and the Oilers

    Very curious about this… but would rather the Oilers just win…

  37. godot10 says:

    dustrock:
    I posted hella lot on twitter last night so I’ll get this one long rant off my chest and then I should be done for day.

    Lots of thoughts:

    (1) This team truly isn’t great on 5v5, and Drai’s even strength goals came off broken plays from some fine forechecking.When they get in the “halfcourt” offence, they don’t score.If hockey, and playoff hockey in particular is a pinball game from the point, the Oilers are not equipped to win like that.You can see some good cycles by the Drai and Khaira lines in particular, but the forwards end up trying cutesy passes with each other.I don’t think there’s any trust in the D delivering shots from the point, and as much as I like Klefbom as a retriever on the PP, he must only get 1/6 shots through for a tip.I realize it’s boring hockey to blast from the point and have a guy screen Crawford, but too bad, it works.Our best screener through 3 games has been….Kailer Yamamoto, who might be the only hockey player shorter than me.Not ideal.

    (2) Someone posted that Keith, Maata and Koekoek for Cocoa Puffs are #1-3 in d-man scoring for the playoffs.The Chicago D, even if they are getting torched sometime on D, are definitely contributing on offence.We have no D who can contribute offensively, and I wonder if someone like Bear, who has the best shot from the point and is a good distributor, is being shut down a bit by Chicago’s speed (and maybe playing too cautious).

    (3) I’ve criticized Larsson many, many times, but if he excels at 1 thing, it’s clearing out the blue paint.I’m too angry/lazy to watch video from Games 2 and 3, but the amount of real estate that the Hawks were squatting on last night was outstanding.The overall hustle was fine, but it’s like all the other d-men are incapable of bodying the Hawks forwards.If he’s not back the Oilers lose this series.

    (4) I’ve criticized Nurse many, many times, and I’m still not sure what he’s good at.His coverage shouldn’t be this poor and I agree with EH TEAM that the solution is to play Jones/Benning more, not less.

    Shots from the point are a poor strategy in general.

    Kassian made pitiful efforts of two of Chicago’s goals from the point in this series. And on two of them, Kane and Debrincat (I think) made passes across the ice to the far point. On Debrincat’s pass, Ennis went to cover the wrong point. A poor decision on his part.

    I think Chicago scouted and decided that the Oilers are do not cover the points well, and with their superior faceoff ability could exploit this. With Kassian, Neal, Chiasson, and Ennis…those are the guys who have been exploited for poor point coverage.

  38. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers’ Andreas Athanasiou gets a push against ‘Hawks. Is it enough?

    https://theathletic.com/1974841/2020/08/06/lowetide-oilers-andreas-athanasiou-gets-a-push-against-hawks-is-it-enough/

  39. Brantford Boy says:

    LT: “The penalty against Russell isn’t called by a referee familiar with hockey.”

    #4… 2 minutes for pushing… wtf?

    My heart sank when they said Larsson was out and showed the replays from game 2. He probably played through the game with a broken foot… again! Really hope he’s back Friday.

    Still believe we’ll be sleeping well on Saturday night.

    Connor is mad, that’s a good thing!

  40. Rondo says:

    If Oilers lose they could pick 1,13, 14, or 15 ?

    My understanding it’s point % so if NYI ,Pitt and Oilers lose. Oilers pick #13 or #1

  41. Melman says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I think that’s the lineup, but they start AA with 29 but at some point Nygard moves up.

    Watching AA, he’s fast gets to the right spots but has brutal hands. 3 times in a row on a late shift in Chicago’s end the puck goes to his stick and he loses it.

    Why on earth was Nurse not in front of the net on the last goal leaving Bear alone with 2 Hawks??? Bear has to reach to tip the shot because he can’t box out 2 guys.

    How on earth did Sheahan leave Highmore wide open on the 3rd goal, you know the one where Kassian didn’t really feel like it was important to make sure the point was covered.

  42. who says:

    Team really hasn’t looked sharp yet. They look like they’re still in preseason mode.
    I thought the Russell and AA penalties were really weak. The rest were deserved. Oilers PP looked totally out of sync.
    For all the Kris Russell haters, and Matt Benning lovers, out there; pretty obvious that Tippett is more comfortable with Russell in the top 4, even on his offside. I know he’s everybodies favorite whipping boy, but Russell continues to play well.
    Blaming Bear for the last goal seems a bit ridiculous. He was trying to cover 2 guys in front of the net. Where was Nurse? And a better question, that no one is asking, is where is the Oilers centerman? Toews won the draw and ended up alone at the side of the crease. Hockey 101; you lose the draw, you stay with the opposing center.

  43. greenshifter says:

    I’d like to have words with whoever is telling Nurse to kill penalties on his knees. That only works playing mini stix!

    Nurse and Koskinen were both on their knees, ass2ass, at one point during that second Blackhawk goal.

  44. dustrock says:

    As soon as I heard Joanette in, Larsson out, had a bad feeling.

  45. ashley says:

    LT, the winning goal was tipped away from the net by Bear. It then went off Toews and changed direction to the post and in. That is why Toews is credited with the goal.

    Bear was in the right place doing the right thing. Good kid, great player. Everyone beating him up including himself doesn’t help get this team where it needs to be.

    We want him to be in the same spot doing the same thing every game. However, I suspect he will be tentative on Friday with the reaction this is getting.

    Only in Edmonton do we crucify players for doing good things. Petry 2.0.

  46. BONE207 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    RE: “The second Jonathan Toews goal, Toews wins faceoff, nice little move from Kubalik to get the puck back to Duncan Keith, over to Connor Murphy and a perfect tip by Ethan Bear for the GWG. Credited to Toews, no idea why.”

    It is hard to see but after deflecting off of Bear’s stick the puck is actually heading wide of the net, it glances off of Toews knee and goes back towards the net in behind Koskinen. No chance for Koski on this one. Way to much blame in the MSM on Bear for this as well. HE did his job, bad luck (good positioning by Toews).

    EDIT: In reading the rest of the blog now, I guess Bear is getting dumped on here as well as MSM for his tip. IT was going wide before it re-directed again off of Toews.

    I wish that defenseman would worry less about stopping/deflecting shots & deal with tying up sticks/players instead. Allow the goalie to see & make a save.

  47. fries n gravy says:

    So… Oil vs Pens for 1st overall?

  48. Spartacus says:

    ashley:
    LT, the winning goal was tipped away from the net by Bear.It then went off Toews and changed direction to the post and in.That is why Toews is credited with the goal.

    Bear was in the right place doing the right thing.Good kid, great player.Everyone beating him up including himself doesn’t help get this team where it needs to be.

    We want him to be in the same spot doing the same thing every game.However, I suspect he will be tentative on Friday with the reaction this is getting.

    Only in Edmonton do we crucify players for doing good things.Petry 2.0.

    There’s not a post to be found blaming Bear for the winning goal.

    Quit making up problems that don’t exist.

  49. LMHF#1 says:

    Tippett and his blind spots cost this team.

    First starting Smith – and likely back to him (wrongly) on Friday.

    Russell playing at all – then being placed top 4 and double-shifted last night.

    Can’t get out of his own way with the top 2 lines.

    Can’t crank Kassian up.

    He’s a net positive of course – but that doesn’t mean the mistakes get a free pass. This series should be over 3-0.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    The thing with Larsson not playing last night is that, in addition to losing Larsson himself, there is a pinball effect. Rusty has to move up to 2RD which makes him and the pairing less effective. Russell defended well last night but he had trouble moving the puck, as he does when put in that position.

    I love me some Caleb Jones but the coach doesn’t trust him as much and it reduces the effectiveness of the 3rd pairing – Russell/Benning were the most consistent pairing through the first two games and Playfair lost the comfort of putting them out there.

    The third pairing played less than 10 minutes (each) and that puts more pressure on those top two pairings.

    Part of me thinks this was a “coach’s decision” but we’ll never know for sure.

    Here is hoping Larsson is back for tomorrow – we need Larsson – we need the “good Larsson”.

  51. Harpers Hair says:

    Sean Tierney
    @ChartingHockey
    ·
    3h
    Goalie charts are updated

    Price is the star of the play-ins.

    Korpisalo and Francouz have been great as well.

    EDM’s goaltending is absolutely undoing them.

    https://chartinghockey.ca/goalie-charts-in-the-bubble/

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as who replaces Ennis, assuming he can’t go – listening to Tip after the game last night, it sounded like the decision had been made to move AA up and they would decide who to insert in to the bottom 6. That wasn’t expressly stated but it sure sounded like it it me.

    I would have time for Nygard at 1LW with Nuge back with Drai and Yamamoto.

    Don’t want to repeat the McDavid/Nygard numbers again but, in a small sample size, they are really good.

    Can’t see it happening and think we’ll see P. Russell or Haas or, potentially Nygard, but not up the lineup.

  53. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The thing with Larsson not playing last night is that, in addition to losing Larsson himself, there is a pinball effect. Rusty has to move up to 2RD which makes him and the pairing less effective. Russell defended well last night but he had trouble moving the puck, as he does when put in that position.

    I love me some Caleb Jones but the coach doesn’t trust him as much and it reduces the effectiveness of the 3rd pairing – Russell/Benning were the most consistent pairing through the first two games and Playfair lost the comfort of putting them out there.

    The third pairing played less than 10 minutes (each) and that puts more pressure on those top two pairings.

    Part of me thinks this was a “coach’s decision” but we’ll never know for sure.

    Here is hoping Larsson is back for tomorrow – we need Larsson – we need the “good Larsson”.

    And not a mention of Evan Bouchard.

    If not now, when?

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    JJS:
    The games still feel like early season tune-ups.Loose and easy.

    I wonder if the Oil would be playing better against a more structured team?

    They look a bit casual.

    This is where a guy like Lowe, Jason Smith or Pronger would make all the difference.A d-man leader who can galvanize the team and crack the whip.

    I can’t think of anyone on the current team who fits that bill

    Yes, I agree, Chris Pronger would be a difference maker………..

    Too bad Adam Larsson isn’t the leader that Jason Smith was.

  55. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: As far as who replaces Ennis, assuming he can’t go – listening to Tip after the game last night, it sounded like the decision had been made to move AA up and they would decide who to insert in to the bottom 6. That wasn’t expressly stated but it sure sounded like it it me.

    I would take Sheahan and Kassian out too and bring in Nygaard-Haas-Russell.

    But it doesn’t really matter unless the goalies start making a few saves.

  56. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    BONE207: I wish that defenseman would worry less about stopping/deflecting shots & deal with tying up sticks/players instead. Allow the goalie to see & make a save.

    See other poster comments on “Where was Nurse? Where was the centreman?”

  57. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Spartacus: There’s not a post to be found blaming Bear for the winning goal.

    Quit making up problems that don’t exist.

    There are multiple instances on this blog alone suggesting the last goal was “Bear’s fault”.

    “The second Jonathan Toews goal, Toews wins faceoff, nice little move from Kubalik to get the puck back to Duncan Keith, over to Connor Murphy and a perfect tip by Ethan Bear for the GWG. Credited to Toews, no idea why.”
    “Bear, despite doing many good things, was a major factor in the winning goal. ”

    “#TipByBearForLafreniere”

  58. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Last night is another excellent example of why Benning should be re-signed, or if not him, some other NHL calibre RD. There is not enough depth in this position to think this is a good idea to start next year:

    Larsson
    Bear
    Bouchard



    Berglund



  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I suspect Tippett will go back to Smith in Game 4. Koskinen didn’t lose the game alone, but he didn’t win it either.

    However it turns out, this will be a defining decision for the HC. Hope he gets it right.

    Whoever the tender is, Nurse needs to play much much better.

    Agree with everything in this post.

    Mikko wasn’t “bad” last night but he did not look comfortable at all at any point – at least to my eye.

    For some reason, I have “a feeling” that Smith may be solid tomorrow afternoon – there is nothing based on recent performance to think that will happen but, for some reason, I have a calm about it.

    I don’t think one goalie played a single back to back this year (I could be wrong) so, I would almost expect them to split this weekend – but am not sure Tip would go to Mikko if Smith wins game 4 (unless the Oilers outscored explicit bad tending).

  60. gregsaint says:

    First goal tipped in off Russell’s leg as well. The amount of bad luck involved in the Oilers losing the game last night was off the charts.

  61. Harpers Hair says:

    gregsaint:
    First goal tipped in off Russell’s leg as well. The amount of bad luck involved in the Oilers losing the game last night was off the charts.

    The amount of good luck certainly balances that out.
    Chicago hit the post 5 times as I recall.

  62. JimmyV1965 says:

    Spartacus: There’s not a post to be found blaming Bear for the winning goal.

    Quit making up problems that don’t exist.

    I was surprised at that as well. I don’t recall one post criticizing Bear.

  63. JimmyV1965 says:

    I don’t usually post line combos, but I think the top six needs to be revamped.

    Neal-McDavid-Archibald
    Nuge-Drai-Yama

    I think it’s imperative to reunite the dynamite line. And Neal has possibly been our best forward outside the top three.

  64. jake70 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Last night is another excellent example of why Benning should be re-signed, or if not him, some other NHL calibre RD. There is not enough depth in this position to think this is a good idea to start next year:

    Larsson
    Bear
    Bouchard



    Berglund



    Would like to see Philippe Myers – 3rd pairing, evolving nicely in Philadelphia. Undrafted. Rejected an offer from Philly back in spring. I have bias due to mutual contacts but turning into a nice young D.

  65. cowboy bill says:

    They sat back in the last five minutes , expecting to be able to hold on to their one goal lead in defensive mode . When will they learn to take the pressure off themselves in their D zone and put the pressure on the other team in their D zone ?

    Now it’s back to back games . I wonder how Crawford will hold out ? Chicago won’t want a game five to find out . That’s why the Oilers need to hold onto the puck and put the pressure on Crawford , not themselves .

  66. The Trade Guy says:

    Only the oilers could finally be good enough to make the playoffs and then get bounced by a non-playoff team.

  67. gregsaint says:

    Harpers Hair: The amount of good luck certainly balances that out.
    Chicago hit the post 5 times as I recall.

    Missing the net is missing the net and the Oilers missed the net on a bunch of HDSC as well.
    Pinball goals for Chicago: 3 (the tying goal was an intentional tip, so not counting that)
    Pinball goals for Edmonton: maybe 1, if you count Drai’s second, but its easy to argue that it wasn’t

  68. cowboy bill says:

    I like the Oilers chances if they make it to game five .

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per the NHL – draft lottery 2 is on Monday at pm mountain.

    The 8 teams that lose in the qualifying round will each have a 12.5% chance at the 1st overall.

    The other 7 teams will draft 9-15 based on regular season points percentage.

    Hoping the Oilers will be prepping for round 1 of the playoffs.

  70. Shane says:

    Harpers Hair: And not a mention of Evan Bouchard.

    If not now, when?

    It doesn’t matter when, because age doesn’t matter when comparing young defensemen…

  71. Rickety Cricket says:

    Kassian is absolutely brutal on the boards in the D-zone. The guy either has no clue or is incredibly lazy. That contract is looking bad. I would sit Kass next game and play literally anyone else.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are team with two of the best players on the planet and can’t seem to find a way to win games in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are team playing two rookie defencemen in the playoffs and trying to find wins in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team that’s having great difficulty scoring 5-on-5 goals in the National Hockey League.

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team that are on the bubble of being a good team in the National Hockey League.

    I think the Oilers have 7 goals at evens through 3 games, no?

    That’s exactly the 5 on 5 goal pace Tampa scored at this year (and they led the league in 5 on 5 goals).

    Goal scoring, at evens and on the PP, has not been an issue in the qualifying round.

    Preventing goals has been an issue in the qualifying round.

  73. Rickety Cricket says:

    Any decent FA goalies this year? Or potential trade targets? What is Cujo doing these days?

  74. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Agree with everything in this post.

    Mikko wasn’t “bad” last night but he did not look comfortable at all at any point – at least to my eye.

    For some reason, I have “a feeling” that Smith may be solid tomorrow afternoon – there is nothing based on recent performance to think that will happen but, for some reason, I have a calm about it.

    I don’t think one goalie played a single back to back this year (I could be wrong) so, I would almost expect them to split this weekend – but am not sure Tip would go to Mikko if Smith wins game 4 (unless the Oilers outscored explicit bad tending).

    Smith has been awful in every game against Chicago this year.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ennis is “unfit to play” and out indefinitely.

    Larsson may skate today – Tip wasn’t sure where he’s at.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Smith has been awful in every game against Chicago this year.

    I’m well aware of that.

  77. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes I was thinking scoring 4, 6 and 3 goals would normally expect you to be up 2-1, if not 3-0 in the series.

    Analysts totally called this as being a barnburner series.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rickety Cricket:
    Any decent FA goalies this year? Or potential trade targets? What is Cujo doing these days?

    Tons both via UFA and via trade (i.e. teams with 3 goalies).

    Also at varying price levels.

    From Aaron Dell to Henrik Lundqust to Matt Murray to Robyn Lehner.

  79. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    The Trade Guy:
    Only the oilers could finally be good enough to make the playoffs and then get bounced by a non-playoff team.

    You win the thread!

  80. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: In this series, Russell and Benning are #1 and #2 in shots/60 among Oilers defensemen that have played at least 10 minutes. And Benning has a history of scoring well in limited minutes, which you’ll see in this chart of 5v5 P/60 for the past 3 years:

    Nurse: 1.03 P/60 (4476:33 TOI)
    Jones: 0.89 P/60 (876:25)
    Benning: 0.87 P/60 (2561:58)
    Bear: 0.79 P/60 (1601:07)
    Russell: 0.70 P/60 (3335:37)
    Klefbom: 0.68 P/60 (3361:10)
    Larsson: 0.57 P/60 (3590:54)

    Klefbom is a prime trade target prior to the expansion draft IMO. Should be able to get a pretty nice young forward for him (a Max Domi type), then go 7-3-1 and protect Caleb Jones.

    FWIW, Klefbom with vs. without Larsson:

    with Larsson — 1714:45 3-13-16 0.56P/60
    without Larsson 1645:25 3-19-22 0.80P/60

    Moves him up the list nicely.

    Also, that contract… Tough one to trade. (I’d agree with you on this otherwise, but it’s near impossible to get better value for $4.1M IMO).

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    With respect to who is coming in to the lineup and who may move up, Tippett wouldn’t give anything away.

    Gregor specifically asked if Haas, a right shot center, could play LW and Tipp said he’s mainly played center but they are still having discussions.

    I wonder about:

    – moving Neal up
    – moving Khaira to LW
    – inserting Haas at center

    I don’t really want to move Khaira off center but, if they want Haas in the lineup, this may be a way.

    The issue has been goals against and I think Haas is a better 2-way and defensive player than Nygard and, Patrick Russell, well, I don’t think successful playoff teams have Patrick Russell in the lineup.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Can you win with Russell, Larsson, Benning basically contributing no offense?

    Nurse and Klefbom are solid and additive.

    Bear and Jones are early but do we have a 50 point defensemen other than Bouchard?

    Benning contributed offence – his nice play at the point and solid shot on net led directly to Drai’s second goal – no different that the way Maatta is contributing offence, right?

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: The Bro. But not for years.

    He may very well be a 50 point d-man but he may very well be a 30 point d-man as well.

    Miles and years to go to find out.

    I hope you are right.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: Yeah, Petry would look good too. Hard to overcome Oiler managementover the years.

    Jeff Petry would be nice.

    The Oilers did draft Caleb Jones with one of the picks they go.

    No, of course, Caleb Jones is NOT Jeff Petry and I don’t expect him to ever be at that level but was just noting that there is a current/future piece of the team from the trade.

  85. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    jp: FWIW, Klefbom with vs. without Larsson:

    with Larsson — 1714:45 3-13-16 0.56P/60
    without Larsson 1645:25 3-19-22 0.80P/60

    Moves him up the list nicely.

    Also, that contract… Tough one to trade. (I’d agree with you on this otherwise, but it’s near impossible to get better value for $4.1M IMO).

    And yet I don’t think Nurse’s numbers get hurt despite playing a full season with each of Larsson and Russell.

  86. Nix says:

    Woke this morning with the worst possible scenario in my head.
    McDavid/Draisaitl perform great and produce many points and Kane doesnt really do squat, yet we still lose and then lose the Lafreniere draft. What then pilgrims?

  87. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jeff Petry would be nice.

    The Oilers did draft Caleb Jones with one of the picks they go.

    I like Caleb Jones a lot, but just pointing out that the Oilers had a #1 RD on their roster and today they don’t.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: If Smith plays, it probably is the end of Koskinen in Edmonton.Much like Ridditch is done in Calgary.

    I don’t see Holland buying out Koskinen and I don’t see Koskinen being traded.

    I would venture that, if Smith plays and loses, its the end of Smith in Edmonton.

    I think the chances of Koskinen not being an Oiler to start the 2020/21 season, whenever that may be, is less than 5%.

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    Nix:
    Woke this morning with the worst possible scenario in my head.
    McDavid/Draisaitl perform great and produce many points and Kane doesnt really do squat, yet we still lose and then lose the Lafreniere draft. What then pilgrims?

    Panic.

  90. Younger Oil says:

    Tippett is in a really bad position in the potential to be criticized for his goaltending decisions. So many different scenarios that people will argue to make him look bad should the Oilers lose the series:

    If Koskinen starts in Game 4:

    1. If he loses: He lost two in a row.

    If he wins, then Tippett has another decision to make in Game 5:

    2. A tired Koskinen, whose performance typically declined under an increased workload.

    or

    3. A cold Smith, who hasn’t been playing well.

    If Smith starts in Game 4:

    4. If he loses, he didn’t play well at all in the playoffs, and potentially cost the team two games.

    If Smith wins Game 4:

    5. If Smith starts again, you’re playing a tired goalie.

    or

    6. If Koskinen starts, you’re benching the hot goalie.

    I realize that many of these are contradictory statements, but it is clear that if the Oilers lose the series, it is a “no win” scenario for Tippett, and he will be heavily criticized with his handling of the goalies. It all started with starting the clearly poorer performing goalie in Game 1.

    If he wins the series, he’ll be praised. I suppose that’s part of the coaching gig, but it will be a very stressful two days for Tippett.

    We need to win two games in a row, and I hate the idea of Koskinen playing three games in four days, but I also hate the idea of Smith seeing the crease again after how he has played. It’s an incredibly dire situation for the Oilers, and they’ll need to play two incredible games to have a chance.

  91. jp says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: And yet I don’t think Nurse’s numbers get hurt despite playing a full season with each of Larsson and Russell.

    How much better would Nurse’s numbers be without them though?

    Well…

    Nurse overall 4476:33 17-60-77 1.06P/60
    with Russell – 1539:19 6-12-21 0.82P/60
    with Larsson- 1157:01 4-16-20 1.04P/60
    without R+L – 1780:13 7-32-39 1.31P/60 (this would put him 6th among all NHL D over the past 3 years)

    He also played significant minutes with:
    Bear — 1184:13 4-18-22 1.11P/60
    Benning 280:49 2–7–9 1.92P/60

    Nurse’s numbers were hurt, he’s just that much better (as a 5v5 scorer)

  92. Nix says:

    The trade Nurse discussions should really heat up this fall. His contract vs performance vs glut of upcoming D vs ‘McDrai best friend but is he really part of the core’ situation is a slow moving iceberg thats almost reached the bow.

  93. dustrock says:

    Really irks me that the Oilers didn’t try to grab Lehner when he was available – he had to take a 1 year deal because nobody wanted him!

    Give me a Lehner/Koskinen duo and I’m pretty happy with goaltending.

    Just Lehner is going to cost a lot more now than he would have a couple of years ago.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: And not a mention of Evan Bouchard.

    If not now, when?

    And Juolevi is taking warm-ups with no mention of Rafferty – if not now, when?

    He’s 25. Bouchard is 21 and just is one year removed from junior hockey.

    I posed the question before a RD got hurt and wondered if the coaches would go with Bouchard, as the 4th RD on the depth chart, or move the more NHL experienced Russell or Jones over to the right side.

    As of now, Jones is ahead of Bouchard on the depth chart – of course, Bouchard is a rookie pro and Jones is a solidified NHL d-man.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    I really feel for Tyler Ennis. If that knee injury is what it looks (ligaments), that may have been his last NHL game. Coming off surgery and rehab he will be 31+ yrs old. Damn Damn Damn. I liked him for this team for the playoffs (picked him as my “Pisani”) and for next year on a decent contract. I really hope the knee injury is not as bad as it looks for the player and the team.

    I was just mentioning something similar to this to my wife an hour ago (against her will) but not as catastrophic.

    I was thinking this could potentially effect his contract for 2020/21 and his ability to get a higher AAV or even term, perhaps.

    I’m not so sure about “career-ending”, I mean, as you point out, he’s 31 – not 37.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    With the injuries and apathy, here is a suggestion for Friday (Tipp, if you are reading):

    RNH-McD-Archi
    Nyg-Drai-KY
    AA-Shea-Haas
    Neal-JJ-Chia

    I contemplated Haas in for Shea, but Shea PK work is excellent. Having Haas on the line provides a RHC for the line and other instances when a RHC is needed, i.e., DZone right side face-off losses are killing the Oilers.
    The 4th line is working well.
    AA can drive the 3rd line and provide depth to the line-up (don’t move him up to the top 6).
    Consider switching Haas and Archie for a few shifts
    Consder switching Nyg and RNH.

    A RC that could win faceoffs would be great but I’m not so sure Haas can do that.

    He was 43.5% on defensive zone draws this year (40% against left handed opponents and 48% against right handed opponents).

    https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-hand?team=EDM

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: And Juolevi is taking warm-ups with no mention of Rafferty – if not now, when?

    He’s 25.Bouchard is 21 and just is one year removed from junior hockey.

    I posed the question before a RD got hurt and wondered if the coaches would go with Bouchard, as the 4th RD on the depth chart, or move the more NHL experienced Russell or Jones over to the right side.

    As of now, Jones is ahead of Bouchard on the depth chart – of course, Bouchard is a rookie pro and Jones is a solidified NHL d-man.

    If Russell is better on his off side, that tells a tale.

  98. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: He may very well be a 50 point d-man but he may very well be a 30 point d-man as well.

    Miles and years to go to find out.

    I hope you are right.

    If they don’t foresee Evan being the QB on the PP and headmaning passes to Connor, Leon and AA amoung others and in the process potting 50 points you might as well trade him now.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: No question he is better.But Smith is going to play game 4 based on Tippett’s past decisions.

    Can’t disagree (although I don’t think Mikko was good at all last night – never looked comfortable and lost position often).

    At the same time, we know that Smith CAN be solid or even wall-like – the question is, will he be?

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    You know, I’m kinda curious who’s draft lottery luck would prevail…

    Hall & the Coyotes

    vs

    Katz and the Oilers

    Very curious about this… but would rather the Oilers just win…

    That would be my preference as well.

    Given NSH and their goalering issue, Hall may not have a chance to work his lottery magic.

    Imagine, having the likes of PIT, EDM and NSH in the lottery…..

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gregor says he’s hearing Ennis has a lower leg fracture.

    I am no doctor but a break may be “better” than a torn ligament as far as recovery?

    Ennis is a UFA, this is bad timing for him.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: If they don’t foresee Evan being the QB on the PP and headmaning passes to Connor, Leon and AA amoung others and in the process potting 50 points you might as well trade him now.

    This was in regards to Broberg, not Bouchard.

  103. godot10 says:

    Nix:
    The trade Nurse discussions should really heat up this fall. His contract vs performance vs glut of upcoming D vs ‘McDrai best friend but is he really part of the core’ situation is a slow moving iceberg thats almost reached the bow.

    Oilers fans apparently like losing if they advocate for trading Nurse. #PetryAllOverAgain

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    greenshifter:
    I’d like to have words with whoever is telling Nurse to kill penalties on his knees. That only works playing mini stix!

    Nurse and Koskinen were both on their knees, ass2ass, at one point during that second Blackhawk goal.

    He was indeed on his knees and flopping in front of the net on the PK all game – at the same time, as far as “working”, it did do the job last night. Doesn’t mean it will continue to do the job in the future if he continues mind you.

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  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    It was nice that goaltending wasn’t sewering them like the past, but it’s hard to watch the same piss poor team system play despite whomever is on the ice and behind the bench.

    The team was dominant defensively 4v5 and has been through this season.

    Give them an extra player and bad. Over many years. Frustrating.

    No puck support, always roaming out of the critical areas, way too spread out in the O zone to get to the scoring areas consistently.

    Personally I’m concerned about Kassian. Something seems off with him to me and has for a while. A hockey mad Habs fan friend commented about it this AM to me. I hope he’s just in a slump or something. And gets it going quick fast.

  107. Material Elvis says:

    Rickety Cricket:
    Kassian is absolutely brutal on the boards in the D-zone. The guy either has no clue or is incredibly lazy. That contract is looking bad. I would sit Kass next game and play literally anyone else.

    It looks bad now but he saves his best for the playoffs and that contract will be a steal. Wait a minute…..

  108. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    It was nice that goaltending wasn’t sewering them like the past, but it’s hard to watch the same piss poor team system play despite whomever is on the ice and behind the bench.

    The team was dominant defensively 4v5 and has been through this season.

    Give them an extra player and bad. Over many years. Frustrating.

    No puck support, always roaming out of the critical areas, way too spread out in the O zone to get to the scoring areas consistently.

    Personally I’m concerned about Kassian. Something seems off with him to me and has for a while. A hockey mad Habs fan friend commented about it this AM to me. I hope he’s just in a slump or something. And gets it going quick fast.

    Tale a look at the goaltender charts I linked to above.

    Koskinen has been the worst goaltender so far.

  109. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    Personally I’m concerned about Kassian. Something seems off with him to me and has for a while. A hockey mad Habs fan friend commented about it this AM to me. I hope he’s just in a slump or something. And gets it going quick fast.

    It is easy to understand Kassian. He plays well for two months before he signs a new contract. Otherwise he is clueless and lazy and unreliable. He is the same guy he has always been, except he’s sober (which is a credit to him).

    This is nothing new or not surprising. I have been saying this since the playoff loss to Anaheim when I didn’t want to re-sign him, and more vociferously as his last contract neared completion, and he began playing harder just to get a new contract.

    He was gifted a position with the Sedins and he pissed it away. He was gifted a position with McDavid and he pissed it away.

    There is no Kassian that is a good hockey player. It is a figment of your alls imagination.

  110. godot10 says:

    Material Elvis: It looks bad now but he saves his best for the playoffs and that contract will be a steal.Wait a minute…..

    He was playing for a contract in the last playoffs, and even then he only had one game.

  111. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: Tale a look at the goaltender charts I linked to above.

    Koskinen has been the worst goaltender so far.

    Sometimes statistics deceive. If one watched the games, Koskinen is not the culprit in those numbers. The sample size is too small small to make absolute statements. They are not publishing error bars with those stats, or stating a confidence level in the individual results.

    Statistics without a confidence level stated are NOT really statistics. They are just numbers.

  112. McSorley33 says:

    We have not been great but aside from Kassian , Mike Smith and Sheahan – I am pleasantly surprised by some of our guys.

    Not a fan of Chaser and Neal but with JJ – I thought they have been extremely effective here.
    ( Chaser’s skating was too slow for most teams 2 years ago)

    Love the Ennis kid.

    Our D bother me at times for sure..but this team has NO 3C. None. Zero.

    We can talk about Nurse not performing and Klef and I get it….something
    is just off at times.

    However, there is no debate about our 3C – we don’t have one. Period.

    *Rank Desperate* for a C that can win a draw, ideally.

    This draft – need Holland needs to steer clear of LHD.

    Need a C – now. Deep draft. Need a C. Not a want.

    Dawson Mercer
    Dylan Holloway
    Hendrix Lapierre

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: I would take Sheahan and Kassian out too and bring in Nygaard-Haas-Russell.

    But it doesn’t really matter unless the goalies start making a few saves.

    Agree on the goalies needing to make a save – although, of course, if either Sheahan or Kass had done their job, there wouldn’t have been a save to make on the one……

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Last night is another excellent example of why Benning should be re-signed, or if not him, some other NHL calibre RD. There is not enough depth in this position to think this is a good idea to start next year:

    Larsson
    Bear
    Bouchard



    Berglund



    100% correct, in my opinion.

    Although, while I wouldn’t put such a big gap before Berglund (its conceivable hes 3RD ready right now), unless something changes, he’s not available next season (well, technically he could come over but he’s planning on the entire year in the SHL).

  115. Harpers Hair says:

    McSorley33:
    We have not been great but aside from Kassian , Mike Smith and Sheahan – I am pleasantly surprised by some of our guys.

    Not a fan of Chaser and Neal but with JJ– I thought they have been extremely effective here.
    ( Chaser’s skatingwas too slow for most teams 2 years ago)

    Love the Ennis kid.

    Our D bother me at times for sure..but this teamhas NO 3C. None. Zero.

    We can talk about Nurse not performing and Klef and I get it….something
    is just off at times.

    However, there is no debate about our 3C – we don’t have one. Period.

    *Rank Desperate* for a C that can win a draw, ideally.

    This draft – need Holland needs to steer clear of LHD.

    Need a C – now. Deep draft. Need a C. Not a want.

    Dawson Mercer
    Dylan Holloway
    Hendrix Lapierre

    Drafting for that need at that point in the draft likely means you’re waiting another 3-5 years before solving the problem and the Oilers can’t write off another tranche of MCDavids contract.

    A trade from the surplus D for an established 3C is the way to move forward.

    Bear, Jones or Bouchard should be on the block.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: Drafting for that need at that point in the draft likely means you’re waiting another 3-5 years before solving the problem and the Oilers can’t write off another tranche of MCDavids contract.

    A trade from the surplus D for an established 3C is the way to move forward.

    Bear, Jones or Bouchard should be on the block.

    I was promised Brogan Rafferty.

  117. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Or maybe this team can finally figure out what at least 25 other teams have figured out and piece together a bottom-6 that isn’t sub-40% goal share using unsubstantial assets. It really isn’t that damn hard.

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: I was promised Brogan Rafferty.

    Never give up hope.

    You always have Kris Russell to warm your heart.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    Probably gonna have to buy Neal out and try to sign Lehner with that money for 3 years and draft that Russian

  120. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Harpers Hair,

    Or maybe this team can finally figure out what at least 25 other teams have figured out and piece together a bottom-6 that isn’t sub-40% goal share using unsubstantial assets. It really isn’t that damn hard.

    No it isn’t but if you keep acquiring scores of middle of the road defensemen and prioritizing their development, all while signing players like Chiasson and Kassian to silly contract extensions you will reap what you sow.

    Since the Oilers now have a couple of dozen of these D, it’s time to cull the herd and turn them into actual NHL wingers and bottom six players.

    That isn’t hard either.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: The amount of good luck certainly balances that out.
    Chicago hit the post 5 times as I recall.

    Yup, the Oilers definitely caught some breaks with the posts but not all posts are created equal. Lucky on a few but Saad’s bad angle shots that hit the outside of the post that count were not dangerous chances where the Oilers were lucky.

    Toews whiffing and having the puck go off his foot and dribble in and Bear deflected a shot wide but it going off Toews and deflecting in – those are unlucky.

  122. Harpers Hair says:

    Harpers Hair: No it isn’t but if you keep acquiring scores of middle of the road defensemen and prioritizing their development, all while signing players like Chiasson and Kassian to silly contract extensions you will reap what you sow.

    Since the Oilers now have a couple of dozen of these D, it’s time to cull the herd and turn them into actual NHL wingers and bottom six players.

    That isn’t hard either.

    Woodguy called this many months ago.

    Woodguy (@Woodguy55) Tweeted:
    Wasn’t one of the benefits of McDavid supposed to be “good wingers will take a little less to play with him”?

    How did that change to “let’s pay marginal offensive players for their results with him”? (7/7)

  123. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Agreed that you don’t pump money into players like Chiasson or Kassian.

    My argument is that you don’t spend guys like Bear, Bouchard and Jones on that, though. Guys like Colton Sceviour, Johan Larsson, Richard Panik, Erik Haula, Noel Acciari, Sean Kuraly, Garnet Hathaway, etc. are available for nothing but money each and every year. The Oilers continue to bring the low-end of this spectrum (Sheahan and Archibald) into a bottom-6 consisting of 3 or 4 lesser players and expects them to drag the dregs into respectability. It’s time to fix that.

    Maybe if we have to trade a Jones to get our Eller (Faksa or Copp come to mind), then sure, do it but it shouldn’t take that more than once.

  124. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, the Oilers definitely caught some breaks with the posts but not all posts are created equal.Lucky on a few but Saad’s bad angle shots that hit the outside of the post that count were not dangerous chances where the Oilers were lucky.

    Toews whiffing and having the puck go off his foot and dribble in and Bear deflected a shot wide but it going off Toews and deflecting in – those are unlucky.

    If you’re relying on luck, you’re doing it wrong.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lots of line combos etc. that seem to be based around the need to find a way to score goals.

    The Oilers have seven 5 on 5 goals in 3 games – averaging 2.3.

    This year Tampa led the league in 5 on 5 goals averaging 2.3.

    Plus, the PP is producing.

    Obviously a change needs to be made as Ennis is out but I’m getting the vibe that many think the Oilers need to create more offence.

    The Oilers have created more chances and high danger chances than the Hawks in the series and I anticipate they will continue to create given Chicago was terrible all year at defending and gave up tons of chances.

    The Oilers need to find a way to stop Chicago from scoring goals – mostly their ugly goals – take the sticks away in front, get in shooting lanes, don’t vacate the RikiBox to chase the puck.

  126. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Agreed. At the time of the signing of Kassian I said:

    “Gross contract and typical Oilers. Looks like Ken is more of the same.”

    I’m sure many shared the sentiment and still do. Same for Chiasson. Same for Russell, Lucic, the Strome trade, etc. We were still waiting on the 1000 cuts from Chiarelli to close up and Kenny came in and has opened up another one or two while closing a couple.

  127. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Harpers Hair,

    Agreed that you don’t pump money into players like Chiasson or Kassian.

    My argument is that you don’t spend guys like Bear, Bouchard and Jones on that, though. Guys like Colton Sceviour, Johan Larsson, Richard Panik, Erik Haula, Noel Acciari, Sean Kuraly, Garnet Hathaway, etc. are available for nothing but money each and every year. The Oilers continue to bring the low-end of this spectrum (Sheahan and Archibald) into a bottom-6 consisting of 3 or 4 lesser players and expects them to drag the dregs into respectability. It’s time to fix that.

    Maybe if we have to trade a Jones to get our Eller (Faksa or Copp come to mind), then sure, do it but it shouldn’t take that more than once.

    I agree in general terms but the Oilers have a surfeit of D that they will have to cull anyway.

    Might as well use those assets to plug holes rather than watch them move on for nothing eventually.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: FWIW, Klefbom with vs. without Larsson:

    with Larsson — 1714:45 3-13-16 0.56P/60
    without Larsson 1645:25 3-19-22 0.80P/60

    Moves him up the list nicely.

    Also, that contract… Tough one to trade. (I’d agree with you on this otherwise, but it’s near impossible to get better value for $4.1M IMO).

    Assuming Bear on a bridge in the $2M range – would that be better value the way he’s trending?

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Harpers Hair,

    Agreed. At the time of the signing of Kassian I said:

    “Gross contract and typical Oilers. Looks like Ken is more of the same.”

    I’m sure many shared the sentiment and still do. Same for Chiasson. Same for Russell, Lucic, the Strome trade, etc. We were still waiting on the 1000 cuts from Chiarelli to close up and Kenny came in and has opened up another one or two while closing a couple.

    I expect the trade for AA will soon join the list.

  130. Tesla's Hair says:

    Enough. Just win next game. Lets go from there.

  131. pts2pndr says:

    JJS:
    The games still feel like early season tune-ups.Loose and easy.

    I wonder if the Oil would be playing better against a more structured team?

    They look a bit casual.

    This is where a guy like Lowe, Jason Smith or Pronger would make all the difference.A d-man leader who can galvanize the team and crack the whip.

    I can’t think of anyone on the current team who fits that bill

    All the above would be in the box by yesterday’s reffing. The Oilers will have to beat the refs and the Hawks to win. 6-2 penalties when they finally made a call on the Hawks. Oilers score and no more calls although plenty of sticks in the hands of McDavid and slashes and holds when convenient.

  132. Ryan says:

    Harpers Hair: I expect the trade for AA will soon join the list.

    It’s the Oiler motto.

    “We pay more for less.”

    Salic grabs Burakovsky for a second third, and a nobody….

    The Oilers pay two seconds for AA.

    The Hamilton / Reinhart mirror trades.

    Francouz vs Koskinen cap hits.

    Holland has done some nice things, but I took umbrage at the Kassian and Chaser contracts.

    Mike Smith was a pretty piss poor goalie for what we paid in contract and bonuses too.

  133. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: I expect the trade for AA will soon join the list.

    You are like a pimple on your ass that never goes away. Have you ever had to have your ass cash a check your mouth wrote! I think not, for you, it has always been have your lawyer talk to my lawyer. Cowered when Messier glared at you and your man balls shrivelled and died that day. I feel very sorry for you!

  134. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan: It’s the Oiler motto.

    “We pay more for less.”

    Salic grabs Burakovsky for a second third, and a nobody….

    The Oilers pay two seconds for AA.

    The Hamilton / Reinhart mirror trades.

    Francouz vs Koskinen cap hits.

    Holland has done some nice things, but I took umbrage at the Kassian and Chaser contracts.

    Mike Smith was a pretty piss poor goalie for what we paid in contract and bonuses too.

    Worth noting that Cam Talbot has been excellent for Calgary.

  135. Todd Macallan says:

    The Jackets succomb to the Oiler special own goal off a dman. Boy are these “playoffs” turning into hot garbage.

  136. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Assuming Bear on a bridge in the $2M range – would that be better value the way he’s trending?

    Yes, of course. I guess I meant guys in their prime, not on ELC or bridge.

    It’s very difficult to get a player with an established level of play in a trade for Klefbom who’s better value for money than Klefbom is.

  137. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Younger Oil:

    I realize that many of these are contradictory statements, but it is clear that if the Oilers lose the series, it is a “no win” scenario for Tippett, and he will be heavily criticized with his handling of the goalies. It all started with starting the clearly poorer performing goalie in Game 1.

    We need to win two games in a row, and I hate the idea of Koskinen playing three games in four days, but I also hate the idea of Smith seeing the crease again after how he has played. It’s an incredibly dire situation for the Oilers, and they’ll need to play two incredible games to have a chance.

    – I didn’t realize that there was no day break betwwen game 4 and if there is a game 5

    – They ought to have started Koski in game 1

    – Clearly management doens’t rate him, and clearly Smith sucks but they rate him higher

    – Isn’t it clear that they start Smith next game? And if they win, he gets the next start

    – Conversely, they start Smith and he be Smithing and still sucks: what do they do next year?

    – Or if team wins with Smith because they play great, what do they do going forward?

    – Paying a starter goalie starter money, and he performs like a good starter when afforded the opportunity, but he doens’t get to be the starter is a problem for the organization (and for Koski)

  138. SVR says:

    Harpers Hair: Woodguy called this many months ago.

    Woodguy (@Woodguy55) Tweeted:
    Wasn’t one of the benefits of McDavid supposed to be “good wingers will take a little less to play with him”?

    How did that change to “let’s pay marginal offensive players for their results with him”? (7/7)

    Speaking of Woodguy, seems like we won a lot of games this year when he did his game day morning analysis.

    It’s time to pull out all the stops.

    Woodguy, are you out there?

  139. Harpers Hair says:

    SVR: Speaking of Woodguy, seems like we won a lot of games this year when he did his game day morning analysis.

    It’s time to pull out all the stops.

    Woodguy, are you out there?

    Oh, he’s still here from time to time.
    See if you can pick him out.

  140. SVR says:

    Harpers Hair: Oh, he’s still here from time to time.
    See if you can pick him out.

    He lost another bet to you and now he’s Tesla’s hair, isn’t he

  141. pts2pndr says:

    dustrock:
    I posted hella lot on twitter last night so I’ll get this one long rant off my chest and then I should be done for day.

    Lots of thoughts:

    (1) This team truly isn’t great on 5v5, and Drai’s even strength goals came off broken plays from some fine forechecking.When they get in the “halfcourt” offence, they don’t score.If hockey, and playoff hockey in particular is a pinball game from the point, the Oilers are not equipped to win like that.You can see some good cycles by the Drai and Khaira lines in particular, but the forwards end up trying cutesy passes with each other.I don’t think there’s any trust in the D delivering shots from the point, and as much as I like Klefbom as a retriever on the PP, he must only get 1/6 shots through for a tip.I realize it’s boring hockey to blast from the point and have a guy screen Crawford, but too bad, it works.Our best screener through 3 games has been….Kailer Yamamoto, who might be the only hockey player shorter than me.Not ideal.

    (2) Someone posted that Keith, Maata and Koekoek for Cocoa Puffs are #1-3 in d-man scoring for the playoffs.The Chicago D, even if they are getting torched sometime on D, are definitely contributing on offence.We have no D who can contribute offensively, and I wonder if someone like Bear, who has the best shot from the point and is a good distributor, is being shut down a bit by Chicago’s speed (and maybe playing too cautious).

    (3) I’ve criticized Larsson many, many times, but if he excels at 1 thing, it’s clearing out the blue paint.I’m too angry/lazy to watch video from Games 2 and 3, but the amount of real estate that the Hawks were squatting on last night was outstanding.The overall hustle was fine, but it’s like all the other d-men are incapable of bodying the Hawks forwards.If he’s not back the Oilers lose this series.

    (4) I’ve criticized Nurse many, many times, and I’m still not sure what he’s good at.His coverage shouldn’t be this poor and I agree with EH TEAM that the solution is to play Jones/Benning more, not less.

    (5) Not sure why Kassian is playing at this point.I’ve been vocal about the extension since before it was signed and every week it seems more and more like a mistake.For a guy that was a pretty great playoff guy in 2017, he looks like he’s going through the motions.

    (6) You’re telling me Haas and Nygard couldn’t put on as good a performance as Sheahan and Kassian?

    (7) Beautiful hands on the PP otherwise, and lord knows McDavid can’t be blamed for last night, but Chicago was shutting him down pretty good.Not a lot of clean air.We haven’t had a game yet where both 97 & 29 are on fire, and it’s pretty much up to them, so here’s hoping for tomorrow.

    </

    Watch the hacks, holds and interference on Draisaitl and McDavid with no calls. The calls on the Oilers are for the most part valid however the Refs look the other way on infractions to negate our better players. It has been decided that Chicago moving on is better for the league. The officiating or lack there of is a large part of where we are at in this series. Missing an automatic major and game misconduct to Cagguila which ended in a one game suspension after the fact, to a call on Russel for holding against Russel last game that was egregious are but two examples of either incompetence or fix. The NHL may be professional but the officiating is either sub par or part of a league fix.

  142. pts2pndr says:

    SVR: He lost another bet to you and now he’s Tesla’s hair, isn’t he

    He didn’t lose much if he welshed like HH.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I didn’t realize that there was no day break betwwen game 4 and if there is a game 5

    – They ought to have started Koski in game 1

    – Clearly management doens’t rate him, and clearly Smith sucks but they rate him higher

    – Isn’t it clear that they start Smith next game?And if they win, he gets the next start

    – Conversely, they start Smith and he be Smithing and still sucks: what do they do next year?

    – Or if team wins with Smith because they play great, what do they do going forward?

    – Paying a starter goalie starter money, and he performs like a good starter when afforded the opportunity,but he doens’t get to be the starteris a problem for the organization (and for Koski)

    OK, this is twice now over the last few days that you’ve implied management is making decisions involving which goalie starts on a particular night. Do you believe that Holland is involved in lineup decisions and Tippett does not have autonomy on this?

  144. Tesla's Hair says:

    IronGuys
    Repent, Repent, Repent, Pay Your Rent, Dont get Bent, Repent, now i know what Leonard Meant
    My Oh My
    How we miss the Woodguy

  145. digger50 says:

    Godot you are single handedly hanging Kassian out to dry.

    There is no way you can hang these losses on one player. Contract value right now is poor, but he’s only playing 5 minutes, hard to do too much damage. If he was playing, there is no way these refs let him make a single hit without calling a penalty.

  146. digger50 says:

    What I witnessed was time and again our defence would get the puck up the boards to the wingers….and time and time again the wingers could not clear the zone.

    Then a cycle would start again.

    Chicago’s supposedly poor d men are pinching all the time.

    Oilers solved this early in the season by going up the middle. Regardless. The hawks choke off the boards. Hammer the puck at the net and hope for the bounces. It’s worked g. Tippet please solve this!!

  147. digger50 says:

    Tesla's Hair:
    IronGuys
    Repent, Repent, Repent, Pay Your Rent, Dont get Bent, Repent, now i know what Leonard Meant
    My Oh My
    How we miss the Woodguy

    I miss VOR

    He dissapeared the exact second Hitchcock signed his contract with the Oilers.

  148. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: OK, this is twice now over the last few days that you’ve implied management is making decisions involving which goalie starts on a particular night. Do you believe that Holland is involved in lineup decisions and Tippett does not have autonomy on this?

    – Of course. That’s the part of the reason for the success of the team: Many times they both have talked about how they discuss things day to day.

    – This isn’t Chia and Coach, where Chia would get players, and Coach wouldn’t play them

    – And the coach is part of management. And Holland signed Smith (based on Tipp’s advocacy for him, given their tenure many years ago)

    – Its not a point of contention: Holland and Tipp agreed to sign Smith, and they agreed conceptually on how to play him. That a proper GM coach relationship.

    – What happens day to day is surely mostly on the coach, who is part of management

    – I dont’ get it: no one disputes that Smith’s role on the team requires the buy-in of management.

    – We will see what happens to the starter situation next game(s) and we will see what happens in off-season, and how GM evaulates Tipp, and how the goalie composition looks going forward.

    – Who do you think starts next game? Is that the same as who you think they should start next game? And why?

  149. pts2pndr says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I didn’t realize that there was no day break betwwen game 4 and if there is a game 5

    – They ought to have started Koski in game 1

    – Clearly management doens’t rate him, and clearly Smith sucks but they rate him higher

    – Isn’t it clear that they start Smith next game?And if they win, he gets the next start

    – Conversely, they start Smith and he be Smithing and still sucks: what do they do next year?

    – Or if team wins with Smith because they play great, what do they do going forward?

    – Paying a starter goalie starter money, and he performs like a good starter when afforded the opportunity,but he doens’t get to be the starteris a problem for the organization (and for Koski)

    Given that Chicago has started the same Goalie for three straight I would think Edmonton would still have the advantage.

  150. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50: I miss VOR

    He dissapeared the exact second Hitchcock signed his contract with the Oilers.

    – Yeah, VOR was great. He also seemed connected in some form to someone who knew what was going on internally.

    – He had nuanced insight and was a great contributor on hockey and life. A few other we miss: NYC and Georges and G-Money, Ricki, and a few others I’m blanking on. Plus that angry “bot”, was it maudite, who would send randomly generated hate emails when team lost a few in a row.

    – And that guy who would go down rabbit holes and was called out for his BS often who vowed to hate the Oilers forever, and others would trot out his infamous quote

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Godot you are single handedly hanging Kassian out to dry.

    There is no way you can hang these losses on one player. Contract value right now is poor, but he’s only playing 5 minutes, hard to do too much damage. If he was playing, there is no way these refs let him make a single hit without calling a penalty.

    The thing is, yes, even in the limited minutes, he is doing damage – directly culpable for 2 goals in the first game and that “get out of the way” last night was egregious.

    Right now Kass isn’t just “not helping the team”, he’s actively hurting the team.

  152. SVR says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Yeah, VOR was great.He also seemed connected in some form to someone who knew what was going on internally.

    – He had nuanced insight and was a great contributor on hockey and life. A few other we miss: NYC and Georges and G-Money, Ricki, and a few others I’m blanking on.Plus that angry “bot”, was it maudite, who would send randomly generated hate emails when team lost a few in a row.

    – And that guy who would go down rabbit holes and was called out for his BS often who vowed to hate the Oilers forever, and others would trot out his infamous quote

    There has been some great posters over the years for sure. The first Pouzar, you know the original guy to have this name, Is another favorite of mine that doesn’t post much any more

  153. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    SVR: There has been some great posters over the years for sure. The first Pouzar, you know the original guy to have this name, Is another favorite of mine that doesn’t post much any more

    – Yeah the Winnepeg based one. He once was looking at a new job, and asked for opinions and got great isnight from a bunch of posters

    – There was another funny guy who used to work for Woodguy, and he would post, and Woodguy would tell him to go back to work: that was good stuff

  154. Zelepukin says:

    Todd Macallan:
    The Jackets succomb to the Oiler special own goal off a dman. Boy are these “playoffs” turning into hot garbage.

    Ya there has been a lot of that and also unobstructed down the wing, cleanly beaten snipes. Not many goalies have been consistently reliable.

  155. Zelepukin says:

    There is some serious lack of concern and general laziness in this Leafs/Blue Jackets OT.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Of course.That’s the part of the reason for the success of the team:Many times they both have talked about how they discuss things day to day.

    – This isn’t Chia and Coach, where Chia would get players, and Coach wouldn’t play them

    – And the coach is part of management.And Holland signed Smith (based on Tipp’s advocacy for him, given their tenure many years ago)

    – Its not a point of contention: Holland and Tipp agreed to sign Smith, and they agreed conceptually on howto play him.That a proper GM coach relationship.

    – What happens day to day is surely mostly on the coach, who is part of management

    – I dont’ get it: no one disputes that Smith’s role on the team requires the buy-in of management.

    – We will see what happens to the starter situation next game(s) and we will see what happens in off-season, and how GM evaulates Tipp, and how the goalie composition looks going forward.

    – Who do you think starts next game?Is that the same as who you think they should start next game?And why?

    I don’t agree that the coach is part of management but that’s not really here nor there.

    Of course management (Holland) and coach (Tippett) were involved in team building and player procurement and both were on board with singing Mike Smith and bringing him in.

    Since that date, I don’t believe Holland has had a part in who started in goal in any of the 73 meaningful games the Oilers have played. In that regard, I don’t agree with statements such as “clearly management doesn’t rate him” – of course, if you are including the coaches in “management”, that is a different analysis.

    I think Tippett likely starts Smith – I think that has nothing to do with management.

  157. Munny says:

    0.3 to go in the period. Unbelievable. Typical Flames.

  158. Jaxon says:

    Put Benson in the game! You know I had to say it.

  159. JOFA says:

    Jaxon:
    Put Benson in the game! You know I had to say it.

    Calm down Jaxon😉

  160. JOFA says:

    Two of my family members have/had Vitiligo. I wondered last year if Nurse may have it. It seems more noticeable this year. If he does happen to have it, I hope he embraces it like my family did.😊

    #weareallunique

  161. godot10 says:

    digger50:
    Godot you are single handedly hanging Kassian out to dry.

    There is no way you can hang these losses on one player. Contract value right now is poor, but he’s only playing 5 minutes, hard to do too much damage. If he was playing, there is no way these refs let him make a single hit without calling a penalty.

    Kassian has done massive damage. Big mistakes and lack of effort on goals 3 and 4 in game 1. Total disinterest in the tying goal in game 3.

    All goals against are not equal.

    I have been arguing that Kassian has been a significant net negative on the team for years.

    And well, we have Connor’s reaction to the tying goal on national TV after watching the replay. “F. O. K.”

  162. Munny says:

    These Playoffs are like NHL Survivor or Big Brother.

    Get kicked off the island.
    Get kicked out of the house.
    Get kicked out of the bubble.

  163. Jaxon says:

    JOFA: Calm down Jaxon😉

    How can I call down!?!? It’s starting me right in the face. The best 3rd line in hockey: Benson / Nugent-Hopkins / Neal!!
    Hahaha. I’d love to see it just for how great a story it would be. The local kid, Benson, gets his chance, the longest serving Oiler find his groove with a fellow highly touted Albertan Junior. Older veteran,
    The Real Deal, mentors new talent and reinvigorates his career. 2 very responsible players in Benson and Nugent-Hopkins, paired with a goal scorer. Benson shows his vision and passing skills now that he finally has 2 legit goal scorers on his line. Do it Tippet!!!

  164. Material Elvis says:

    SVR: He lost another bet to you and now he’s Tesla’s hair, isn’t he

    I think Tesla’s Hair is Andy Dufresne.

  165. Material Elvis says:

    Jets join the discarded pile. Will karma win them the lottery?

  166. Gerta Rauss says:

    Calgary with an empty netter and a 3-0 lead with 2 min left

    WPG is out

    *edit 4-0

  167. Material Elvis says:

    pts2pndr: You are like a pimple on your ass that never goes away.

    Harper’s Ingrown Hair.

  168. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The thing is, yes, even in the limited minutes, he is doing damage – directly culpable for 2 goals in the first game and that “get out of the way” last night was egregious.

    Right now Kass isn’t just “not helping the team”, he’s actively hurting the team.

    When you lay it all on one player then by removing that player they should win the game. That wasn’t the case, the whole team was awful in real time.

  169. digger50 says:

    godot10: Kassian has done massive damage.Big mistakes and lack of effort on goals 3 and 4 in game 1.Total disinterest in the tying goal in game 3.

    All goals against are not equal.

    I have been arguing that Kassian has been a significant net negative on the team for years.

    And well, we have Connor’s reaction to the tying goal on national TV after watching the replay.“F. O. K.”

    Yes, you have been arguing that. And now you want to
    Prove yourself right.

    I’m not arguing zacks performance itself, I’m saying you are hanging him when he does not hold sole responsibility.

  170. BONE207 says:

    SVR: He lost another bet to you and now he’s Tesla’s hair, isn’t he

    I doubt it’s Tesla. I offended Tesla last night with a post. Woodguy would have straight up told me to Foff. He’s laying low around here. He finds the mask stifling…

  171. €√¥£€^$ says:

    It’s do or die time, as I posted before game 1, Kassian is not one of the top 12 players on this roster. He clearly needs to sit.

    AA is not a good fit with Drai or McDavid, he needs to be stapled to the 3rd line.

    Here is the line-up (less Ennis, AA takes Nygards spot, Nygard in the Ennis spot) that I proposed before game 1 and my opinion hasn’t changed.

    Nygard – McDavid – Haas
    Nuge – Drai – Yamamoto
    AA – Sheahan – Archibald
    Neal – Khaira – Chiasson

    Haas and Nygard play well together and have the speed and defensive conscience 97 needs. Besides, they are on great contracts for next year, so why not find out what they can do with 97.

    Reuniting the DYNamite line is a no brainer.

    C’mon Tip, dontchya read this blog?

    Tesla’s Hair….Dave? Dave? Dave!!

    Are you there? C’mon let me in man! Dave?

  172. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: It is easy to understand Kassian.He plays well for two months before he signs a new contract.Otherwise he is clueless and lazy and unreliable.He is the same guy he has always been, except he’s sober (which is a credit to him).

    This is nothing new or not surprising.I have been saying this since the playoff loss to Anaheim when I didn’t want to re-sign him, and more vociferously as his last contract neared completion, and he began playing harder just to get a new contract.

    He was gifted a position with the Sedins and he pissed it away.He was gifted a position with McDavid and he pissed it away.

    There is no Kassian that is a good hockey player.It is a figment of your alls imagination.

    Kassian isn’t consistent enough to be a true top 6 player.

    How you view his worth depends on what you consider to be valuable play.

    Kassian when forechecking well has value. He can disrupt a team’s system with his speed and the opponent’s fear of getting caught by him. He’s far better than Archibald. Arch is easy to like bcs he’s a game rooster, but he has 4th liner skill.

    Kassian also was placed with McDavid to protect him as much as can be done. Tippet said as much.

    However Kassian’s terrible D zone coverage has cost him, and his ineffectiveness offensively. Chicago isn’t running Connor so the deterrent factor whatever it’s worth doesn’t matter.

    Against a dirtier team he’ll be back up there.

    Connor needs another winger that has top 6 skill. It’s a shame he has to drag a 4th line forechecker around.

  173. Fuge Udvar says:

    I doubt Tippett shakes the lines up much. Scoring hasn’t been the problem and it risks making Tippet look bad if it is a disaster. I wonder how much the ice times for Sheahan and Kassian were. Kassian’s lack of special teams ability may cost him.

    Nuge-McDavid-Archibald
    AA-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Khaira-Chaisson
    Nygard-Sheahan-Haas

  174. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Fuge Udvar:
    I doubt Tippett shakes the lines up much. Scoring hasn’t been the problem and it risks making Tippet look bad if it is a disaster. I wonder how much the ice times for Sheahan and Kassian were. Kassian’s lack of special teams ability may cost him.

    Nuge-McDavid-Archibald
    AA-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Neal-Khaira-Chaisson
    Nygard-Sheahan-Haas

    If you are not familiar with the Edmonton Journal’s Cult of Hockey, they do player grades after each game. There is usually a table of stats that go with it and you can see each player’s TOI.

    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/player-grades-bounces-finally-go-against-edmonton-oilers-in-4-3-loss-to-chicago-blackhawks/

  175. Tesla's Hair says:

    Does anyone know the moment when we lost Pouzar? Woodguy? Andy? Dave? Any analytics on what caused their last game at LTs.

    Is there a succession plan in place if LT decides to go on a holiday? When you follow a charismatic leader usually the place burns down when they leave the building or go over the hill and far away.

    Does LT have a board of directors to make sure LT lives on and on and on even when the founder moves on to white on white and takes take a sabbattical with his family?!

    This place is so fricken awesome baby!!!

  176. hunter1909 says:

    These clowns were schooled in 2017 by the Quacks so it won’t exactly be surprising.

    Still we can argue the pressure of performing to the hometown fans could have got to them lol

  177. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    It’s do or die time, as I posted before game 1, Kassian is not one of the top 12 players on this roster.He clearly needs to sit.

    AA is not a good fit with Drai or McDavid, he needs to be stapled to the 3rd line.

    Here is the line-up (less Ennis, AA takes Nygards spot, Nygard in the Ennis spot) that I proposed before game 1 and my opinion hasn’t changed.

    Nygard – McDavid – Haas
    Nuge – Drai – Yamamoto
    AA – Sheahan – Archibald
    Neal – Khaira – Chiasson

    Haas and Nygard play well together and have the speed and defensive conscience 97 needs.Besides, they are on great contracts for next year, so why not find out what they can do with 97.

    Reuniting the DYNamite line is a no brainer.

    C’mon Tip, dontchya read this blog?

    Tesla’s Hair….Dave?Dave?Dave!!

    Are you there?C’mon let me in man!Dave?

    That is a reasonable line-up. I like. I doubt the coach will experiment with the first line on a do or die game, but it would be very nice to see at some point

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: When you lay it all on one player then by removing that player they should win the game. That wasn’t the case, the whole team was awful in real time.

    I am not, and was not, laying it all on one player and have spoke about how bad the team has been since Saturday. At the same time, that does not mean that the plan, negative or positive, of any particular player, and his role in the next game and going forward, cannot and should not be discussed.

    Kassian has been bad and hurting the team. Its a discussion point and a story line. One of many.

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