Game 41 2019-20 Condors at Roadrunners

The first general manager in Kansas City Royals history was Cedric Tallis, who believed in finding 10-year solutions to positions of need. It’s all over his expansion draft in 1968, and in the trades that followed. Example: The second player drafted, third baseman Joe Foy, was dispatched after one season to the New York Mets (of course) in exchange for a 10-year solution: Amos Otis.

The Oilers are doing pretty well in the NHL version of 10-year solutions this season. Ethan Bear and Kailer Yamamoto look like they could be multi-year fixes, with Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard on the way.

All of this progress has obscured some useful players who could be shorter term solutions. You can’t find 10-year solutions to every problem in one summer or winter. What about those mid-20’s AHL players? How can they help?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hey, Sparky, can you do that?’: How the Oilers’ AHL video coach got his start as the Islanders’ mascot.
  • New Eric Duhatschek: He’s special’: The people who know him best tell the story of how Leon Draisaitl took the NHL by storm
  • New Pierre Lebrun: Where all 31 teams stand one month before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: What do Connor McDavid’s best lines tell us about his optimal linemates?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: I was an AHL coach for a day: Here’s what I learned
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Oilers player poll: From the serious to the silly, the players weigh in on best dressed, most superstitious and more
  • Thomas Drance: Inside how ‘Okanagan boy’ Ken Holland helped bring back the Penticton Young Stars tournament
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers minor-league defenceman Brandon Manning suspended five games for racial slur
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Lowetide:  Central Scouting’s midseason list offers Oilers some strong draft options
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers make a smart two-year bet on Caleb Jones, who has done nothing but improve
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 3 things from the latest Oilers win: A lacrosse goal, Mike Smith’s resurgence and Connor McDavid’s new linemate
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A defiant Zack Kassian issues his latest salvo against Matthew Tkachuk: ‘He messed with the wrong guy’
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers Notebook: Jujhar Khaira’s future, Caleb Jones’ adaptation to NHL speed
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

CONDORS 2019-20

In terms of immediate recalls, many are clamoring for Tyler Benson to be the next man on a plane, but Markus Granlund is performing like a man who would like to see the NHL again soon.

The players I’m talking about today are men like Joe Gambardella, Josh Currie, Colby Cave, Brad Malone, Keegan Lowe (although the Oilers are flush with blue so Lowe’s path is blocked multiple times).

It has to be a difficult road for these men, waiting for the opportunity and hoping the coach sees their skill set as being useful compared to the rest of the crowd. Patrick Russell is this year’s winner among this group, and it’s easy to see why coach Dave Tippett likes him. Works hard in every second of every shift, formidable on the forecheck, pucks deep, makes progress through the neutral zone exactly as difficult as dragging the river.

I’ve always maintained that the NHL has about 150 players in the minors each season who could play in the bigs but are waiting for that lucky opportunity. The NHL at any time employs about 715 players, add another 60 for IR (that’s a guess) and then throw in 25 more for those unusual Puljujarvi situations.

The back portion of those 800 men, say the final 150, are somewhat interchangeable with 150 guys in the AHL who are pushing hard for that recall. Wives at home, maybe with babies, doing everything they can to support their fella and his goal of making the bigs. The entire situation is equal parts majestic, tragic and compelling.

These are the men I’ve always found to be the most interesting. If I ever had the ear of any of them, I’d say you pursue that dream as long as you can, because what comes after just isn’t the same. There’s no sin in being one of the 1,000 best hockey players in North America, and maybe luck will shine on you tomorrow.

Joe Gambardella. Josh Currie. Patrick Russell. Those stories are the ones that speak to me. That’s why Patrick Russell matters, because he’s the current example of a very important player in the game of hockey: The replacement level support player.

Some people call them jags (just a guy) but I never do. I’ve always cheered for them. Del Hall. Marc Habscheid. Mark Arcobello. Patrick Russell. Their lives, their stories, are perhaps even more compelling than this weekend’s All-Stars. They have a lot in common with the rest of the population. I love their stories.

In the next few weeks, Patrick Russell will jump over the boards and play in an NHL game. Music! I guarantee Russell will value that shift more than someone like Sam Gagner could ever value a single 30 seconds. I’ll cheer like hell for Russell, for his wife and for his family. That’s the story. I’ve been watching these players since Larry Mavety and cheer for every one.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Friday! Weekend on the way, we kickstart things on TSN1260 at 10 this morning. Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports talks All-Star weekend and the McDavid story, Matt Iwanyk rails against the baseball hall of fame, and I’ll tell you some stories. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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115 Responses to "Game 41 2019-20 Condors at Roadrunners"

  1. Wilde says:

    josh currie should have already been the guy

  2. Lowetide says:

    Wilde:
    josh currie should have already been the guy

    He absolutely is the goal scorer on the team, several years running. That isn’t always what a coach is looking for from a recall. Currie needs an expansion draft. The old timey kind.

  3. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. San Jose Barracuda; January 22nd, 2020; game totals

    38CF-49CA
    23FF-31FA
    4GF-0GA

    Top F: Gambardella (2.57 Game Score)
    4 shot attempts, 2 shot assists
    1 goal, 1 assist
    11CF-4CA
    8FF-4FA
    3GF-0GA

    Top D: Bouchard (0.51 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 4 shot assists
    15CF-17CA
    10FF-13FA
    2GF-0GA

    deployment, in case I didn’t post it

    Benson-Granlund-Currie
    Esposito-Cave-Maksimov
    McLeod-Malone-Hebig
    Stukel-Gambardella-Peluso

    Lagesson-Benning
    Lowe-Bouchard
    Kulevich-Day

  4. Lowetide says:

    One thing about a guy like Currie. NHL teams need quality in the AHL in order to create footing for their up and coming prospects, like Benson and Marody. Once a player like Currie signs an NHL deal, it kind of solidifies his AHL role. He’s being paid real money, but he’s going to be in the AHL sure as hell because someone has to do it. It’s like being the all-night broadcaster on a talk station. You have to be good and you have to be there.

  5. Wonder Llama says:

    Hey LT, would today be an acceptable day to post the third and final edition of the Lowetide Dictionary? I tried it a week or so ago and it spent the day awaiting moderation (maybe automatically because it’s a long post?). Don’t want to be a nuisance by derailing a thread but I though during the AS break might be the most strategic time?

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    Nah, not really.

    https://youtu.be/fnGaf0p9x1U

  7. Litke 94 says:

    Very excited to watch the McDavid documentary tonight. Seeing his work ethic and battle through adversity will no doubt have me ready to run through a wall at the end of it.

    I also like that it is coming out tonight, smack dab in the middle of the break, and just shy of a week before the stretch drive to the playoffs begins. I always feel that these types of stories and experiences can be motivating factors for teams. Would be a surreal story if this whole ordeal could lead to a wicked run to the playoffs.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. put himself back on the radar last season with a big goal scoring year but has regressed vis-a-vis production – I think he missed P. Russell, that Russell/Malone/Joe G. was a strong line last year.

    We know that guys like Malone and Lowe are not actual NHL options.

    Colby Cave is a guy that you see called up on a team that is out of it and after the deadline sell-off is complete and players are shut down with injuries – see 2018/19 Oilers.

    I would put Currie in that category with Cave but someone on here drew our attention to the fact that he actually had some solid scoring rates at the NHL level in his short stint. He is a fantastic AHL player, lots of fight in his game and always making good plays – I hold out a tinge of hope.

    Granlund was expected to tear up the AHL, like he has – I’m happy that he’s given full effort and the fact we have him, an NHL player, to call-up in a pinch is decent depth.

    ———————————-

    Slogging out the treadmill this morning I listened to yesterday’s Lowtide and the host pressed on calling up Bouchard – I couldn’t tell if he was that serious.

    Bouch is indeed coming on strong at the AHL level – lovely, just lovely development and, to me, that development should keep on going at the AHL level for the rest of the season and that ELC should slide to 3 huge value years will happen.

    Do we think that Ken Holland, of all GMs, will call-up a rookie pro d-man Bouchard when the org has 9 legit NHL ready d-man ahead of him – or maybe its 8?

  9. defmn says:

    Beautiful post today. I think it does everybody’s soul good to be reminded from time to time that the dreams of a 3rd line left winger in the ECHL burn just as hot as they do in the first round draft guy who makes the NHL as a 19 year old.

    Thank you.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Bear
    Jones-Bouchard 2020/21?

    Wonder if Russell is still kicking around & if they stick Bouch with a vet. That D is pretty good IMO & young. Broberg, Samorukov on the way.

    Forward group needs a lot of help. Hopefully Benson is an NHL contributor. Need to save money on the Kassians of the lineup to afford adding play drivers up front.

  11. OilClog says:

    Granlund could go supernova and imo he should still never see the NHL again as an Oiler. Oilers don’t need to call up centers, nor do they need a slow boots center on the wing. Any situation he could be used there’s a superior option, leave him in the minors.

  12. cowboy bill says:

    OilClog,

    Same could be said for Gagner . But Granlund is probably a more useful player simply because he’s strong on the PK . And since Sammy can only get in a game on LW these days , I think I’d rather see Benson . Then there’s Jujar Khaira who would more than likely clear waivers that isn’t playing a whole lot that could benefit from some AHL time just like Granlund has .

    So there you have it , Benson & Granlund on the big club and Gagner & Khaira on the farm .

  13. Jaxon says:

    I really don’t think Khaira would clear waivers. Too many coaches and GMs have seen him good and deliver as a tough presence when needed. I still think he could be a Tom Wilson type player.

  14. godot10 says:

    It has been four months. Kassian still isn’t ready to say hello to Giordano.

    Yet he has found the time to be suckered into a suspension by Matt Tkachuk.

    A man who cannot figure out his priorities.

  15. JJS says:

    Great post

    Although I would posit that Gagner does enjoy every 30 seconds as he knows he is on borrowed time.

    The joy when he scored the other day. Magic.

  16. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    On Gambardella

    Also, his shooting % last year was 29.9%! It’s a much more normal 12.3% this year.
    If he shot that this year on his 65 shots he’d have 19 goals. 11 more than he has now. Which would give him a line of:
    34 – 19 – 12 – 31

  17. Bulging Twine says:

    Spurred by Scungilli Slushy’s question about upper tier goalers I was thinking I should ask that of the FW’s. Cuz why am I lumping Gaetan Haas in with RNH.

    To discover where top 6 FW’s come from I narrowed it down to FW’s who have played 35+ games and 15:00 minutes per game.

    There are 190 (6.1 per team)

    Where’d they come from?

    116 in round 1 – 61.1%!
    26 in round 2 – 13.7%
    17 in round 3 – 8.9%
    7 in round 4 – 3.7%
    3 in round 5 – 1.6%
    7 in round 6 – 3.7%
    4 in round 7 – 2.1%
    10 undrafted – 5.3%

    61% of top 6 FW’s come from the first round. That is a high number. It drops all the way down to 13.7% in round 2.

    It makes me see that the hockey scouts are doing better than I thought they were as they pretty much have the players figured out at an early age.

    1st round, Free agency, trade, or if lucky the 2nd or 3rd round is where the Oilers will have to get their missing top 6 FW.

    If Benson makes it there…cudos to him and the organization he’s beat the odds.

  18. Bulging Twine says:

    For Defencemen

    20 minute Dmen:

    94 have played in at least 20 games and 20:00+ per game. 3 per team

    Drafted:

    45 – Round 1 – 47.9%
    17 – Round 2 – 18.1%
    8 – Round 3 – 8.5%
    9 – Round 4 – 9.6%
    3 – Round 5 – 3.2%
    4 – Round 6 – 4.3%
    2 – Round 7 – 2.1%
    6 – Undrafted – 6.4%

    Less % in the 1st round than FW’s but still a large proportion come from here.
    A higher % found in the 2nd than FW’s
    Round 3 basically the same
    Round 4 is interesting, almost 6% more found here than at FW

    Oilers have one of those 3 fifth rounders playing more than 20 minutes a game. What a huge competitive edge that is to hit on a 5th rounder.

  19. Darth Tu says:

    I realise this would be way beyond a reasonable search, but it would be interesting to know the breakdown on the players that are hitting in the 3rd/4th/5th round in terms on whether they were “ranked” higher before the draft. And then similarly if players that are making it from the 3rd/4th/5th rounds that are being “reached” for pan out.

    As in, is it better to just go for your initial target in the 4th round rather than grab someone that was consensus 3rd round that a bunch of teams have passed before you?

  20. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Spurred by Scungilli Slushy’s question about upper tier goalers I was thinking I should ask that of the FW’s. Cuz why am I lumping Gaetan Haas in with RNH.

    To discover where top 6 FW’s come from I narrowed it down to FW’s who have played 35+ games and 15:00 minutes per game.

    There are 190 (6.1 per team)

    Where’d they come from?

    116 in round 1 – 61.1%!
    26 in round 2 – 13.7%
    17 in round 3 – 8.9%
    7 in round 4 – 3.7%
    3 in round 5 – 1.6%
    7 in round 6 – 3.7%
    4 in round 7 – 2.1%
    10 undrafted – 5.3%

    61% of top 6 FW’s come from the first round. That is a high number. It drops all the way down to 13.7% in round 2.

    It makes me see that the hockey scouts are doing better than I thought they were as they pretty much have the players figured out at an early age.

    1st round, Free agency, trade, or if lucky the 2nd or 3rd round is where the Oilers will have to get their missing top 6 FW.

    If Benson makes it there…cudos to him and the organization he’s beat the odds.

    Thx for this.

    I’ve felt since draft outcomes have been quantified that the value of first round picks is so much higher than the others that they should be dealt very judiciously.

    It’s better to trade 2 seconds and a third than a first. The reason being finding middling or lesser players about it be the goal of a draft, it’s difference makers a team should shoot for, the players that are really hard to get.

    It also leads me to think trading down for more picks and taking the shotgun approach isn’t a great idea. Yes it technically increases odds, but no team can predictably find high end talent outside of the obvious choices at the top of the draft.

    It’s not easy and doesn’t happen often, but any opportunity to trade lesser picks for higher especially into the first round should be taken very seriously.

  21. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    It has been four months.Kassian still isn’t ready to say hello to Giordano.

    Yet he has found the time to be suckered into a suspension by Matt Tkachuk.

    A man who cannot figure out his priorities.

    Matt Turtle made Kassian’s choice an easy one, right or wrong.

    Giordano sneaks around the edges. He apologized for whatever that’s worth, and hasn’t done anything yet to warrant an attack. Kassian would have to jump him unprovoked. Players like Giordano and Turtle are also invariably good at not getting into position to get run themselves.

    It’s also possible the team doesn’t see Gio as bad, or Connor said to let it lie.

  22. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Slogging out the treadmill this morning I listened to yesterday’s Lowtide and the host pressed on calling up Bouchard – I couldn’t tell if he was that serious.

    Bouch is indeed coming on strong at the AHL level – lovely, just lovely development and, to me, that development should keep on going at the AHL level for the rest of the season and that ELC should slide to 3 huge value years will happen.

    Do we think that Ken Holland, of all GMs, will call-up a rookie pro d-man Bouchard when the org has 9 legit NHL ready d-man ahead of him – or maybe its 8?

    No, I don’t. Love me some Bouchard, but Benning will be back after the break and that slide could prove pivotal to cap management going forward.

    Q: is the 10 game threshold “per season”, or total? I know both regular season and playoff games count, but since Bouchard played 7 games last year, can he still play 9 this year before effecting the slide or is he limited to two?

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Bear
    Jones-Bouchard2020/21?

    Wonder if Russell is still kicking around & if they stick Bouch with a vet. That D is pretty good IMO & young. Broberg, Samorukov on the way.

    Forward group needs a lot of help. Hopefully Benson is an NHL contributor. Need to save money on the Kassians of the lineup to afford adding play drivers up front.

    I could see them going:

    Nurse – Bear
    Klefbom – Bouchard
    Jones – Larsson (or Benning if Lars gets traded)

  24. MacT's Neglected Helmet says:

    Great piece! Really puts things in perspective.

    But maybe let’s use “partner” instead of “wife”. Because who knows. Because it doesn’t matter. Because “they have a lot in common with the rest of the population.” 🙂

  25. Side says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Matt Turtle made Kassian’s choice an easy one, right or wrong.

    Giordano sneaks around the edges. He apologized for whatever that’s worth, and hasn’t done anything yet to warrant an attack. Kassian would have to jump him unprovoked. Players like Giordano and Turtle are also invariably good at not getting into position to get run themselves.

    It’s also possible the team doesn’t see Gio as bad, or Connor said to let it lie.

    Don’t waste your time or energy.

    Godot has a narrative he can’t let go. He’ll just say you and Connor were born yesterday because you were fooled by Giordano’s elaborate plan to pretend being apologetic to Connor all summer so he could avoid punishment.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon:
    I really don’t think Khaira would clear waivers. Too many coaches and GMs have seen him good and deliver as a tough presence when needed. I still think he could be a Tom Wilson type player.

    I’d have to agree and I think an asset could be acquired in a trade – no, not a great asset but mid-round pick or a similar type of struggling warm body with some upside.

  27. Boil-in-the-Oil says:

    Hope posting this link is ok? Link copied from an article by EK. Kinda proves why we shouldn’t trade Puljujarvi for anything less than full value; it may be in a “lower” league, but he’s pretty darn good …
    https://reddit.app.link/XcSXiglbw3

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: No, I don’t. Love me some Bouchard, but Benning will be back after the break and that slide could prove pivotal to cap management going forward.

    Q: is the 10 game threshold “per season”, or total? I know both regular season and playoff games count, but since Bouchard played 7 games last year, can he still play 9 this year before effecting the slide or is he limited to two?

    Per season (and, as you said, including playoffs).

    He can play 9 this year.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JJS:
    Great post

    Although I would posit that Gagner does enjoy every 30 seconds as he knows he is on borrowed time.

    The joy when he scored the other day.Magic.

    100%. I was coming on here to say the only two words out of place in that post were “Sam Gagner”. He’s scored two goals this year & celebrated both of them like they might be his last. I get the impression he is making the most of his Edmonton Encore & now that he’s spent a bunch of time in the AHL two seasons running he takes nothing for granted.

    Difference being that when Sam finally does hang ’em up he’ll have a lot of career highlights to look back on. Some of these guys on the cusp never get that … or when they do, the refs screw ’em over as happend to Patrick Russell in VanCity that one time. I am STILL choked about that.

  30. Reja says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Spurred by Scungilli Slushy’s question about upper tier goalers I was thinking I should ask that of the FW’s. Cuz why am I lumping Gaetan Haas in with RNH.

    To discover where top 6 FW’s come from I narrowed it down to FW’s who have played 35+ games and 15:00 minutes per game.

    There are 190 (6.1 per team)

    Where’d they come from?

    116 in round 1 – 61.1%!
    26 in round 2 – 13.7%
    17 in round 3 – 8.9%
    7 in round 4 – 3.7%
    3 in round 5 – 1.6%
    7 in round 6 – 3.7%
    4 in round 7 – 2.1%
    10 undrafted – 5.3%

    61% of top 6 FW’s come from the first round. That is a high number. It drops all the way down to 13.7% in round 2.

    It makes me see that the hockey scouts are doing better than I thought they were as they pretty much have the players figured out at an early age.

    1st round, Free agency, trade, or if lucky the 2nd or 3rd round is where the Oilers will have to get their missing top 6 FW.

    If Benson makes it there…cudos to him and the organization he’s beat the odds.

    When it comes towards forwards you could have the exact same player ( numbers size weight etc) but the one drafted in the first round gets the money and the opportunities. The player drafted in the 3th-4th round must have better numbers to even garner a sniff. Lots of politics and it starts well before being drafted.

  31. Bulging Twine says:

    Instead of his line of 34 – 8 – 12 – 20 – .59pts/gm

    If he was shooting 29.9% this year his .9 pts/gm would be similar to last seasons .96

    if he shot 12.3% last year his line would have been:
    50 – 12 – 19 – 31 – .62pts/gm

    interesting, he may be having two very similar seasons and the puck just isn’t going like last years incredible rate.

    Seemed like to me, every clip I saw last season of a Gambardella goal was from within 5 feet of the net. Is he not going there as much this year?

  32. Reja says:

    Bruce McCurdy: 100%. I was coming on here to say the only two words out of place in that post were “Sam Gagner”. He’s scored two goals this year & celebrated both of them like they might be his last. I get the impression he is making the most of his Edmonton Encore & now that he’s spent a bunch of time in the AHL two seasons running he takes nothing for granted.

    Difference being that when Sam finally does hang ’em up he’ll have a lot of career highlights to look back on. Some of these guys on the cusp never get that … or when they do, the refs screw ’em over as happend to Patrick Russell in VanCity that one time. I am STILL choked about that.

    How is that not a goal who ever made the decision was either being biased are completely clueless. This in my opinion is worse because they’re actually making good money but don’t know the fuking rules on crease infractions. The people that make the decisions on Goalie interference should be ex Goalies they know what’s real and what’s fake interference because they’ve played the position.

  33. OilClog says:

    Poolparty and Larsson for Ehlers let’s go Holland.

  34. Bulging Twine says:

    Surely a factor unless you are:

    A) The Tampa Bay Lightning whose FW’s come from all over the draft.

    B) The Edmonton Oilers who have some weird, “first round pick hey? Prove it buddy or your outta here” type non nurturing attitude. Or maybe it’s moreso, “he’s a first round pick, we don’t have to develop him, Gretzky and Mess figured it out on their own why can’t he”. Or maybe it’s an over emphasis on a prospects deficiencies rather than his strengths. Beating the confidence out of him. It’s not good to fail to maximize strengths and spend all energies on weaknesses. Marcus Buckingham’s (iirc) book, Strengthsfinders with Gallup talks of this.

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Holland went out his way on Stauffer’s show to mention that Nicholson was “positive” about McDavid’s injury before he was hired.

    It wasn’t until a month in when Holland was on a conference call with 97’s rehab team that he learned the true extent of the injury.

    Unreal.

    I get not disclosing is during negotiations but not revealing during contract negotiations is like hiring a CEO while telling him this year’s revenues are good, but omitting the fact they currently all sit on “black” at a roulette table.

    Then Holland finding out via a conference call with the rehab team A MONTH after he was hired!?!?

    What The Actual Fuck Nicholson?

  36. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I blame Toby Rider.

  37. Litke 94 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Holland went out his way on Stauffer’s show to mention that Nicholson was “positive” about McDavid’s injury before he was hired.

    It wasn’t until a month in when Holland was on a conference call with 97’s rehab team that he learned the true extent of the injury.

    Unreal.

    I get not disclosing is during negotiations but not revealing during contract negotiations is like hiring a CEO while telling him this year’s revenues are good, but omitting the fact they currently all sit on “black” at a roulette table.

    Then Holland finding out via a conference call with the rehab team A MONTH after he was hired!?!?

    What The Actual Fuck Nicholson?

    That interview was very revealing. Definitely comfortable in saying that this was a very poor, ugly course of action for Nicholson.

    There’s a difference between keeping things close to your chest/not providing full extent of the injury and being actively misleading. Nicholson being overly positive about the injury to Holland is major league bad and downright deceptive.

    I still think Connor’s camp told Bob to keep things tight knit, but holy shit, Nicholson took that to a new level. And not immediately telling Ken about the extent of the injury post-signing, leaving him in the dark on it for another month is even worse.

    Major, major yikes. And props to those (namely WG & Bag of Pucks) who called a spade a spade yesterday. Some people don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Bobby is one of them.

    Here’s hoping his rumoured gig with IIHF comes to fruition this summer.

  38. Litke 94 says:

    I also find it crazy that Holland said he and Nicholson joke about it now. I guess the $25 million can heal wounds, but wow.

  39. Reja says:

    Litke 94: That interview was very revealing. Definitely comfortable in saying that this was a very poor, ugly course of action for Nicholson.

    There’s a difference between keeping things close to your chest/not providing full extent of the injury and being actively misleading. Nicholson being overly positive about the injury to Holland is major league bad and downright deceptive.

    I still think Connor’s camp told Bob to keep things tight knit, but holy shit, Nicholson took that to a new level. And not immediately telling Ken about the extent of the injury post-signing, leaving him in the dark on it for another month is even worse.

    Major, major yikes. And props to those (namely WG & Bag of Pucks) who called a spade a spade yesterday. Some people don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Bobby is one of them.

    Here’s hoping his rumoured gig with IIHF comes to fruition this summer.

    Nicholson is a old school smiling yes man.

  40. jtblack says:

    I blame Rattie & the water

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I blame Rattie in Reider’s water.

  42. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    If McHeyHey didn’t heal himself I think it would be a different conversation.

    I bet the under current of Holland’s laughter is some contempt.

    He’s not going around volunteering this to everyone (Bob didn’t even ask about McDavid and Holland just served it up) without knowing what he’s doing.

  43. Litke 94 says:

    True. I guess even the “I don’t mean to throw Bob under the bus…” followed by immediately throwing Bob under the bus (for good reason) definitely has shades of some concealed anger.

  44. godot10 says:

    //and hasn’t done anything yet to warrant an attack.//

    Do you watch the last game of the season last April? That isn’t worth taking a number? Giordano has a track record of sneaky dirty accidentally on purpose incidents.

    One doesn’t ask for an invitation. One should crash the Giordano party (within the rules).

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Reja: Nicholson is a old school smiling yes man.

    He seems to be a good glad -hander and promoter.

    Actual management and organizational skills don’t seem evident.

  46. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    “I don’t mean to throw Bob under the bus, but excuse me while I taxi the team plane over him”

  47. Fraktal says:

    I blame chopping wood and carrying Rattie in Reider’s water.

  48. Numenius says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Kassian would have to jump him unprovoked. Players like Giordano and Turtle are also invariably good at not getting into position to get run themselves.

    I’m pretty sure Kassian did get a good run on Giordano in the last Flames game.

    I wondered if that was why Tkachuk was trying to get back at him so much.

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    Pure speculation but I wonder if this Burgers/Holland dynamic is indication of the planned phaseout of Nicholson to his eventual IIHF appointment?

    Katz may have made it clear to Nicholson that he was hiring his replacement with the endgame being the full phaseout of the OBC (incl Burgers) from Hockey Ops. My suspicion is Holland doesn’t take the gig otherwise. Bobby saves face on the Ops demotion and stays busy on the Ice District remit until he takes over for Fasel.

    Why all the gymnastics? Quite simply, so the big egos of Katz and Burgers save face and avoid a public firing.

    If that were the case, it would certainly explain Bob’s behaviour on the injury disclosure.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: When it comes towards forwards you could have the exact same player ( numbers size weight etc) but the one drafted in the first round gets the money and the opportunities. The player drafted in the 3th-4th round must have better numbers to even garner a sniff. Lots of politics and it starts well before being drafted.

    1) performance pre-draft largely dictates draft position

    2) I think the premise above has changed greatly over the last while – lots and lots of non-top picks making names for themselves early.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gino Reda
    @GinoRedaTSN
    ·
    20m
    Connor McDavid just wrapped up his media conference talking about the knee injury that threatened his season. Unbelievably frank and honest.. the following are some of this quotes

    ———————–
    On the Doctor who suggested PCL surgery that would have put him out for the entire season
    “sometimes you need lots of opinions and doctors don’t always get it right the first time, and there’s lots of different experts out there and you have to use your resources”-McDavid

    on the silence -” I didn’t need any questions, it was actually really nice just to focus on myself and not to have to answer questions, I understand if that rubbed some media the wrong way , we weren’t trying to hide anything, and we didn’t really know.” -McDavid

    “I’m a 22 year old kid at the time, and you never want to miss a season, you never want to go through a surgery that there’s questions, it’s a PCL and thats a surgery that only a few people can do, and it’s not been mastered”- McDavid

    On what Dr’s told him about the surgery, “to my understanding it was a piece out of somewhere else, they make it a new PCL, drill in some screws, and hope it sticks. Obviously, it’s a little more complicated than that…its a surgery that’s not mastered and rarely seen”- McDavid

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Draisaitl on sharing ice with Tkachuk: ‘I’m here to have fun and enjoy myself’. VIDEO: https://youtu.be/Sv3_F2vLItQ

  53. duct tape and foil says:

    Just dreamed up a trade with the Dys: Russell and JP for Sutter and Lind. The Dys have too many centers and we have too many dmen. Both vets are a bit overpaid, both paid $4 million, both UFA in a year. I like Sutter more than Russell and JP more than Lind. Both the young RW projects for next year. Seems like a hockey trade to me.

  54. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years

    https://theathletic.com/1560041/2020/01/24/lowetide-oilers-prospects-evan-bouchard-and-tyler-benson-deliver-best-minor-league-performances-in-20-years/

  55. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Remember that bus that Bob backed over me the week I arrived? Well, I’m at the wheel now. Hahaha.”

  56. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Numenius: “Remember that bus that Bob backed over me the week I arrived? Well, I’m at the wheel now. Hahaha.”

    Kassian took two runs at Giordano & one at Tkachuk on the same shift, my internal chronometer says late in the first so after the first time Tkachuk ran him but before the second (and third).

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Seems to be a lot of conclusions being drawn (and accusations being made) based on limited and incomplete information.

  58. jp says:

    Bruce McCurdy:

    Difference being that when Sam finally does hang ’em up he’ll have a lot of career highlights to look back on. Some of these guys on the cusp never get that … or when they do, the refs screw ’em over as happend to Patrick Russell in VanCity that one time. I am STILL choked about that.

    It’s definitely tougher to see knowing that might have been the last chance.

  59. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Seems to be a lot of conclusions being drawn (and accusations being made) based on limited and incomplete information.

    Hmm. That doesn’t sound like us.

  60. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Seems to be a lot of conclusions being drawn (and accusations being made) based on limited and incomplete information.

    Welcome, to the internet.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I agree and have said so a few times that Giordano is a player on the margins and should be at the point of being suspended out despite his talent. Too many busted joints in his wake.

    But as many people who repeatedly cross the line do, he seems to have found the sweet gray spot of avoiding culpability and said ‘sorry’.

    Maybe Connor said let it go, we don’t know.

    Mr G should be glad #11 doesn’t don Oiler silks anymore.

  62. geowal says:

    godot10:
    It has been four months.Kassian still isn’t ready to say hello to Giordano.

    Yet he has found the time to be suckered into a suspension by Matt Tkachuk.

    A man who cannot figure out his priorities.

    You are nothing if not consistent when you pick someone in the organization to grind on.

  63. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Kassian took two runs at Giordano & one at Tkachuk on the same shift, my internal chronometer says late in the first so after the first time Tkachuk ran him but before the second (and third).

    thx Bruce. ppl forget Kass tried to lay out Tkachuk, he just spun him around.

    Loved Kass response. He’s OK with Big Boy Hockey

  64. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Numenius: I’m pretty sure Kassian did get a good run on Giordano in the last Flames game.

    I wondered if that was why Tkachuk was trying to get back at him so much.

    Good catch. That would make a lot of sense.

    Tkachuk still stupid. Lucic still picking spots, that was his gig.

  65. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    thz for sharing.

    In Great Falls, MT for Hockey Tourney. Wont see the special on McD

  66. Litke 94 says:

    Just remembered that the Condors game is live on Facebook Watch tonight. That is awesome.

  67. Harpers Hair says:

    You should ask yourself two questions:

    Why would Vancouver want Kris Russell?

    Their LHD depth is
    Hughes
    Edler
    Fantenburg
    Benn
    Juolevi
    Tryamkin (coming backnext season)

    Why would Vancouver want Jesse in return for Lind?

    Lind is 11th in AHL scoring?

    Worth noting Lind is outscoring Benson 38 points to 33 and Lind is a year younger.

    Also, Vancouver has a 24 year old in Utica that has scored THREE hat tricks in his last six games and another goal and counting tonight.

    Justin Bailey, who is considered as the fastest skater in the AHL and is 6’4” and 215, is 8th in AHL scoring.

  68. Litke 94 says:

    Very nice reception for Wayne in St. Louis.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner starts tonight.

    Samorukov back in – wonder if he’s still wearing the full cage.

  70. Gollum says:

    godot10,

    You’ve really got it in for Kassian. Are you Sam Gagner?

  71. Reja says:

    Gollum:
    godot10,

    You’ve really got it in for Kassian. Are you Sam Gagner?

    Wait till he takes down Tkachuk, Gio and Lucic on the same shift Tippett immediately puts a A on his sweater and the club announces a 7 year deal.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Granlund centering Currie and Benson.

    Lagesson paired with Benning (who has been engaged physically in both games including take punches to the head).

    This will be a tough two games against Tuscon on the road – they are elite.

  73. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Reja: Wait till he takes down Tkachuk, Gio and Lucic on the same shift Tippett immediately puts a A on his sweater and the club announces a 7 year deal.

    @ AAV of $5M.

  74. Reja says:

    After break call up Benson and let’s see what we have if not make a trade for a forward that can move the needle and let’s have four lines going on any giving night.

  75. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: @ AAV of $5M.

    Holland will have to trade Nurse in the off-season so he can pay Mama Kass.

  76. defmn says:

    Reja:
    After break callup Benson and let’s see what we have if not make a trade for a forward that can move the needle and let’s have four lines going on any giving night.

    Bob guessing or does he know something?

    Bob Stauffer
    @Bob_Stauffer
    ·
    2h
    Now that we have established that Kailer Yamamoto is more than a serviceable option as a middle-six W…
    IMO post All-Star break time to bring up Tyler Benson.
    Benson is strong on the wall, can pass, smart and understands gamesmanship.
    Oilers could use an internal push .

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod cycled behind the net to Malone who finds Hebig cutting through the very high slot and he buries it for a 1-0 lead.

  78. godot10 says:

    When Kassian has to be bought out in two years from his front-loaded 4-year $14 million dollar contract, one just wants to set a marker down that it was obvious before the contract was signed.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tucson wins a draw, a very weak point shot is blocked/deflected right to the guy at the side of the crease – very little chance for Skinner.

    Game tied at 1.

  80. Nit64 says:

    Litke 94: Here’s hoping his rumoured gig with IIHF comes to fruition this summer.

    ~ You heard it here first. Ken was doing Bobby a solid. The IIHF was concerned Bobby might be too transparent. Fixed. ~

  81. godot10 says:

    I tell people the truth.

    The truth about Petry, about the Dementor, about #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach, about Cody Franson, about Yamamoto (and Bouchard) needing AHL time.

    i.e. In September, I was saying just forget about Yamamoto till January.

    I was just as hard on Maroon in his contract year as I am being on Kassian, when all the Maroon fan boys wanted to sign him to a similarly outrageous contract that they now want the OIlers to sign Kassian to. Where have all the Maroon fanboys gone? When will they ever learn.

    I have been opposed to retirement contracts for 30-somethings for the longest time. I’ve railed against the doughnut hole in the roster from 25-29 for a decade.

  82. who says:

    godot10:
    I tell people the truth.

    The truth about Petry, about the Dementor, about #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach, about Cody Franson, about Yamamoto (and Bouchard) needing AHL time.

    i.e. In September, I was saying just forget about Yamamoto till January.

    I was just as hard on Maroon in his contract year as I am being on Kassian, when all the Maroon fan boys wanted to sign him to a similarly outrageous contract that they now want the OIlers to sign Kassian to.Where have all the Maroon fanboys gone?When will they ever learn.

    I have been opposed to retirement contracts for 30-somethings for the longest time.I’ve railed against the doughnut hole in the roster from 25-29 for a decade.

    I really wish you’d quit comparing Kassian to Maroon. Kassian can skate. Maroon never could. It really is that simple.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse’s Liiga highlights:

    https://youtu.be/oylXAWd3OK0

  84. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    This is probably not going to end well. I imagine Godot is going to blow a fucking gasket … maybe two. I would really prefer to have Godot with all his gaskets operating at peak efficiency.

  85. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    “I don’t mean to throw Bob under the bus, but excuse me while I taxi the team plane over him”

    Yeah it is very telling.
    He wants people to know about Bob’s character.

  86. godot10 says:

    I have hated paying 30-year olds for a long time since forever. It isn’t personal. It is just business.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie held off the scoresheet, -1 with 3 shots in a 4-1 loss.

    The Boston College due also held off in a 4-3 Boston College comeback win.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not paying 100% attention but the Maksimov/Cave/Esposito line has had a few plus shifts with really solid o-zone pressure – they were just all over the net in a mad scramble – multiple shots.

    It builds momentum and Sammy finishes off a lovely 7-8 pass play.

    Kulevich down, cross-zone to Malone, out in front to Sammy and he buries it.

    One of the lovelier goals of the year.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard is so good.

    Just wonderful confidence carrying the puck through the netural zone for clean zone entires – he was actually foiled on a clean entry on the PP and a clear is made, he picks the puck up behind Skinner, once at the blue line a beauty tape to tape pass to Gralund at the blue line, gets it back at the point and a tape to tape pass down low to Benson – one touch pass to Currie for a quick release goal.

    Wonderful shift by Bouch – again.

    A beautiful rover.

  90. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Default resolution was horrible (480P) but you can use the settings button to select 1080P for some pretty nice video.

    Pretty much everything was halfcourt or PP. I was hoping to see some nifty stick handling and/or skating but no such luck. Lots of uncontested wide open shots … does anyone play defense in Liiga? I really didn’t see any improvement in play from when he was in EDM. Looks like the same player we remember. What was your opinion OP?

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Matty Benning off the cross-bar.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tucson gets that PPG right back – a point shot finds its way through the screen and goes in clean.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lagesson/Bouchard out there killing a 5 on 3 – doing a wonderful job as well.

  94. Munny says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Yeah it is very telling.
    He wants people to know about Bob’s character.

    And how character at the top sets the culture for an entire organization.

  95. TheGreatBigMac says:

    Lol, yes welcome! If it’s any consolation I don’t think this is how Al Gore intended it to work.

  96. Bulging Twine says:

    Tuned in to the game for the third.

    Currie has some skill.
    Benson’s acceleration looked alright there last shift
    Benning, wow, what a terrible shift to start the 3rd. 3 giveaways and a lost board battle.
    And um, wow, I just saw the LARGEST cheerleader I’ve ever seen in my life. XXXXXL

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors hold on for a huge win against a top team on the road.

    Will Skinner get the start tomorrow?

  98. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Whatever it takes is a little unnerving to watch.
    I have so much respect and admiration for Connor.
    I hope that post was the last significant bump In his career.

  99. v4ance says:

    Watching that left a lump in my throat. Whatever happens we know how dedicated and special Connor McDavid is as a person.

    Also, if this hockey thing doesn’t work out, Connor looks to have a bright future as a medical imaging technician.

    Also, those hyperbaric chambers really need LED monitor screens installed in the closed end. Then those 2 hour sessions can be video study sessions while you heal!

  100. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Whatever it takes is a little unnerving to watch.
    I have so much respect and admiration for Connor.
    I hope that post was the last significant bump In his career.

    I know right. I even teared up a bit after they showed his first goal of the season. We are super lucky to have him on the Oilers. We as fans should not take that for granted. He busted his balls rehabbing that knee against all odds and beat it. Superhuman indeed.

  101. flea says:

    As a parent of a child who has a physical disability and deals with constant physio, the documentary was quite inspiring. Connor’s level of commitment to his rehab was incredible, and he is lucky for the PCL to heal on it’s own. Crazy. I’m not a fan of the “McJesus” name but this doc isn’t gonna do anything to slow it down!

    Even though they paint Bob as the bad guy a bit, a decision to withhold information about the injury (in such a critical offseason for ticket sales) comes from above him. Wouldn’t even surprise me if Bob even agreed to fall on the sword. I doubt he’s with the org past this season.

  102. tileguy says:

    Anybody else think Katz had this documented just in case things did not go well, so that he could say it wasn’t his decision?

  103. raventalon40 says:

    Anthony Peluso definitely should be the next call up and send back down after the two Calgary games

  104. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody else think Katz had this documented just in case things did not go well, so that he could say it wasn’t his decision?

    If you listened to the Don Metz interview on Stauffer’s show, the Oilers were not involved in the making or the production of the documentary. It was Connor’s people and Don Metz, who had become a close family friend, who decided late in the summer to do it.

    Is Don Metz the Oilers? Not officially anymore.

    Once they decided to do it, they went back through stuff people had collected on their iPhones and such.
    The interviews were from late summer early fall.

    McDavid and his people were always going to make the decision.

    Katz main involvement was providing the private jet.

  105. raventalon40 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t think any of those go in for NHL goalies/defense

  106. Lowetide says:

    raventalon40:
    Anthony Peluso definitely should be the next call up and send back down after the two Calgary games

    He’s on an AHL deal, so the Oilers would need to sign him.

  107. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Maybe if Joel Silver (or one of his minions/proteges) was involved in the documentary’s production I’d potentially be inclined to think so, but… nah.

  108. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Having just watched the fastest skater competition, what I notice is Connor was the faster but not the quicker skater. He has more power, but also covered more distance. Better apexes through the corners and he would have been in the 12s.

  109. godot10 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Having just watched the fastest skater competition, what I notice is Connor was the faster but not the quicker skater.He has more power, but also covered more distance.Better apexes through the corners and he would have been in the 12s.

    It looked like Barzal had done some practising. He was really tight to the inner boundaries in the course in the corners.

  110. tileguy says:

    godot10: If you listened to the Don Metz interview on Stauffer’s show, the Oilers were not involved in the making or the production of the documentary. It was Connor’s people and Don Metz, who had become a close family friend, who decided late in the summer to do it.

    Is Don Metz the Oilers?Not officially anymore.

    Once they decided to do it, they went back through stuff people had collected on their iPhones and such.
    The interviews were from late summer early fall.

    McDavid and his people were always going to make the decision.

    Katz main involvement was providing the private jet.

    Good Morning, thank you for the info.

  111. raventalon40 says:

    Lowetide,

    We are at 48 contracts? I guess that’s a no go considering there might be tasty freebies on the waiver wire soon.

  112. raventalon40 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Having just watched the fastest skater competition, what I notice is Connor was the faster but not the quicker skater.He has more power, but also covered more distance.Better apexes through the corners and he would have been in the 12s.

    To be honest, IMHO didn’t look like Connor tried his hardest. Which is weird for him he is so competitive. Maybe not worth getting hurt at the ASG

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Why in the world would the Oilers sign Peluso to an NHL contract or call him up to the NHL?

    In the name of Tkachuk, Gio and “revenge” – that would be an awful decision.

    How about play NHL level players in the game with big standings implications and not lose a third game to the flames because of Tkachuk’s actions?

  114. Leroy Draisdale says:

    This gave me a good chuckle!

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    lol…GOD ot10

    The Light, The Truth and the Way.

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