Pack the Pipe

The hardest thing to do for the Oilers, surely, is to make the playoffs two seasons in a row. Running a close second? Establishing a pipeline of useful forwards coming out of the minor league system. From the beginning of the century, I count Daniel Cleary, Fernando Pisani, Jason Chimera, Jarret Stoll, Kyle Brodziak. All of them arriving over a decade ago. Time to pack the pipe.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: If play does not resume, 5 notable questions that will go unanswered in Edmonton
  • New Lowetide: Making the call on RFA and UFA players on the Oilers’ 50-man roster
  • Jonathan Willis: The 2020 NHL broadcast rankings: The best and worst markets to watch the games
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Scott Howson on new AHL job, Oilers’ unsung prospect and development updates
  • Lowetide: A look back at reasonable expectations and the Oilers fantastic special teams in 2019-20.
  • Lowetide: Will the Oilers rocket to Russia during free agency this summer
  • Lowetide: Will Oilers drafts be less reliant on the WHL under new management?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanConnor McDavid on a ‘fair season’, working out and picking quarantine teammates
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett deploys unproven talent expertly in first Oilers season
  • Lowetide, Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Oilers ABC: Picking the best players in franchise history, from Anderson to Zuke
  • Jonathan Willis: If the Oilers need to clear money with a buyout, they have one real option
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The 5 games that define Leon Draisaitl’s Hart Trophy-worthy season
  • Lowetide: Final Oilers report cards: Second-half impact defines a successful season
  • Jonathan Willis: Does Filip Berglund’s new SHL contract mean he’s done with the Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Evolution of a star: Why Leon Draisaitl was our Hart pick
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Which former Oiler has the best argument to have his jersey number retired?
  • Lowetide: Which Oilers veterans are in roster peril?
  • Jonathan Willis: How good is Anton Slepyshev and what will an NHL return mean for the Oilers?
  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ challenge could be finding relief with a low cap ceiling

2018-19 Condors forwards

Ideally you’re seeing players graduate to the NHL during entry deals, for ’18-19 that was represented by Marody, Benson and Yamamoto. Marody drove the offense on the top line, Benson helped and benefited. Yamamoto struggled with injury and he didn’t see feature minutes. Those three men, Marody, Benson and Yamamoto, carry the biggest potential payload for the future.

2019-20 Condors forwards

Prospects are like kids, you open the door and they head in their own directions. Marody’s effectiveness was halved due to injury, Yamamoto’s best days were in the NHL and Benson lost some shine without Marody. In the end, Patrick Russell was the ’18-19 Condors forward to win a full-time job, with Yamamoto arriving just after Christmas. All numbers via Eric Rodgers.

Yamamoto’s NHL performance wasn’t foretold by his AHL results. What does that tell us about AHL numbers? Well, as was the case with Benson’s rookie season, we must understand context. Benson played with a truly impressive Marody as his center in ’18-19, and Yamamoto’s center (Draisaitl) and left wing (Nuge) were stunning talents upon his NHL arrival. Context.

Benson hedges

I think Benson needs to bust a move at some point in 2020-21. It could come after Christmas, and it doesn’t need to be Yamamoto run, but success in 25+ NHL games will be important. Edmonton needs a 500-game second rounder who can play a two-way game, agitate and own a bat good enough to stay in the lineup. I believe Benson has those qualities. He needs a center who can make plays. A No. 3 center who can help offensively, is righthanded and covers the defensive conscience of the line is required. Now. Finding that player is a chore.

Internal solutions (Cooper Marody, Gaetan Haas) are either injured or less than ideal. Some external options (Ryan Getzlaf, Derek Stepan, Kyle Turris, Travis Zajac, Jeff Carter) are either spent forces, had a massive cap hit, or both.

Ryan Strome would be a nice get, but the price for trade and the contract cost are both out of sight. Riley Nash will make $2.75 million in 2020-21, has more offense and is better in the dot than Haas. He wouldn’t take a lot to acquire imo.

Mitchell Stephens would be a nice acquisition, right at the beginning of his career. Lightning don’t do foolish things but do have an insane number of graduates every year. Dylan Gambrell in San Jose is also a nice option.

Mavrik Bourque is a righty center, perhaps the Oilers grab him in the draft. It won’t help short term.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun and packed Friday morning on the Lowdown, beginning at 10. Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports will talk about play by play-color tandems and what makes them work (or not work). Jeff Krushell from Krush Performance are kicking off a three part series on anti-doping, he’ll be in at 10:40. Matthew Iwanyk talks NFL, CFL draft and the return of sports. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes from NOW!

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152 Responses to "Pack the Pipe"

  1. BONE207 says:

    Where is everybody?

  2. Lowetide says:

    I’ll be deleting political content today. Respect the blog’s wishes, please and thanks.

  3. Henry says:

    Yeah, the Strome trade was such an own goal by Chiarelli.

    I’m confident that Holland sees 3C much like you do though.

  4. wolf8888 says:

    LT, with another full summer of training and skating coaching do you think Benson could be a PK guy? He seems to have the smarts and the determination.

  5. Lowetide says:

    wolf8888:
    LT, with another full summer of training and skating coaching do you think Benson could be a PK guy? He seems to have the smarts and the determination.

    He’ll need to fill that role imo. I’m less worried about his skating, more focused on his hanging around long enough to learn how to score.

  6. jtblack says:

    wolf8888: I think Benson needs to bust a move at some point in 2020-21

    Benson is not going to magically improve his skating, not even with loads of hard work. He is what is he and that’s the reason he’s at where’s he’s at.

    “I think Benson needs to bust a move at some point in 2020-21”

    I agree with LT. Benson needs to be on the NHL roster next year or it will be time for a new team most likely … When he was drafted, everyone knew his skating was his biggest challenge. I think he has done well since his draft, but this may be all he has to give at the NHL level. People on this blog don’t like to call his skating poor, but it is. He has a weird stride and is a poor skater by NHL standards. And that is a huge hurdle to overcome when trying to play in the best league in the world.

  7. Harpers Hair says:

    Soul legend Bill Withers passes away.

    Ain’t No Sunshine and Lean On Me are classics.

  8. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    A righty 3C would probably complete the “Balance” photo IMO. Turris would be perfect. I wonder if Nas would retain half his salary if you offered up Jesse and a decent sweetener. I don’t think they were too keen on Turris at one point over the last little bit.

    I’d also like to see them use JP in this kind of a trade rather than just to get picks. I know we need a pipeline, but there are roster holes to plug now. That being said, I do trust Holland based on his work so far.

  9. tileguy says:

    Hungover from (re)visiting their youth in all those bars last night. Gawd that was an enjoyable read.

  10. PennersPancakes says:

    If the Oilers dont go the trade route for a 3C (short on picks unless they unload Pulju+) and with no internal options available that leaves free agency. Whos the best option or maybe whos the most realistic option? Without any knowledge of the cap lets pretend its going to stay flat? Notable UFAs include (age when next season starts):

    – Haula – 29 years old- 0.5 PPG. Decent P/60 other than 7 game stint in Florida. Can PP but PK time has dropped since Mini days.
    – Granlund – 28 years old – 0.5 PPG. Listed as C but has played winger for the last 4ish years it seems.
    – Eakin – 29 years old – 0.3 PPG. Couple 40 and 30 point seasons in the books. Doesnt really PP but is no stranger to the PK.
    – Wilson – 31 years old – ??? PPG. Last season with only 9 games murks what he can bring to the table. Consistently great possession stats. Doesnt PK.
    – Brassard – 33 years old – 0.5 PPG. Islanders were his 5th team in 3 years but with the Pageau trade he might not have a spot. Can PP but never been a strong PK option.

    What do you guys think? Am I missing anyone who might be an option?

    Personally I find a 3C who doesnt PK a luxury. Yes Nuge and Drai can PK but load management is becoming more of a thing every season it seems. Haula seems like the sexier player and has sustained history of 5v5 numbers but if he prices himself out/Holland puts more weight on the value of PK I wouldnt be surprised or angry with Eakins.

    Thoughts?

  11. dustrock says:

    Lol Benson Hedges. Smoked those for several years before I quit after 1st year law school.

  12. dustrock says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Soul legend Bill Withers passes away.

    Ain’t No Sunshine and Lean On Me are classics.

    2 all-timers and both 10/10. Rest in Peace.

  13. northerndancer says:

    Benson Hedges???? Where’s the concern. We assumed he was going to be smokin! Someone had to write it. Thanks LT and others for this mostly welcome distraction…virus, mask, virus, distance, sanitize, virus, virus virus…oops.

    Yes, thank you.

  14. PennersPancakes says:

    Turris still has 4 years left after this season. With all the cap talk I wonder if Nashville would consider retaining 3 mill a year to move him, might be a large ask. With Duchene, Johansen, Bonino, Turris down the line up though.. Something has to give.

    His scoring at 5v5 took a bit of a dive last season but have bounced back okay. a 3C for 3 million doesnt sound too bad, the term is a little dicey with him turning 31 this season. I havent watched him a lot but if the scouting report and skating are decent could be worth the risk.

    I wonder if Nashville would use a compliance buyout on him (if they show up).

  15. Harpers Hair says:

    PennersPancakes:
    If the Oilers dont go the trade route for a 3C (short on picks unless they unload Pulju+) and with no internal options available that leaves free agency. Whos the best option or maybe whos the most realistic option? Without any knowledge of the cap lets pretend its going to stay flat? Notable UFAs include (age when next season starts):

    – Haula – 29 years old- 0.5 PPG. Decent P/60 other than 7 game stint in Florida. Can PP but PK time has dropped since Mini days.
    – Granlund – 28 years old – 0.5 PPG. Listed as C but has played winger for the last 4ish years it seems.
    – Eakin – 29 years old – 0.3 PPG. Couple 40 and 30 point seasons in the books. Doesnt really PP but is no stranger to the PK.
    – Wilson – 31 years old – ??? PPG. Last season with only 9 games murks what he can bring to the table. Consistently great possession stats. Doesnt PK.
    – Brassard – 33 years old – 0.5 PPG. Islanders were his 5th team in 3 years but with the Pageau trade he might not have a spot. Can PP but never been a strong PK option.

    What do you guys think? Am I missing anyone who might be an option?

    Personally I find a 3C who doesnt PK a luxury. Yes Nuge and Drai can PK but load management is becoming more of a thing every season it seems. Haula seems like the sexier player and has sustained history of 5v5 numbers but if he prices himself out/Holland puts more weight on the value of PK I wouldnt be surprised or angry with Eakins.

    Thoughts?

    Brandon Sutter.

  16. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Brandon Sutter.

    Not horrible but not optimal either. How would you work the money?

  17. PennersPancakes says:

    Harpers Hair: Brandon Sutter.

    Was looking at FA but for a trade possibly… Like the player, dont love his salary or the fact hes averaged 44GP over the last 3 seasons. Maybe for a swap of Kris Russ

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Not horrible but not optimal either. How would you work the money?

    Pretty sure Vancouver would retain half.

    They have two many bottom six Cs and will be desperate to re-sign Markstrom and Toffoli.

  19. Harpers Hair says:

    PennersPancakes: Was looking at FA but for a trade possibly… Like the player, dont love his salary or the fact hes averaged 44GP over the last 3 seasons. Maybe for a swap of Kris Russ

    It’s a concern for sure.

  20. yeraslob says:

    Harpers Hair: Brandon Sutter.

    Injujry prone, costs too much = a useless bum

  21. wolf8888 says:

    Keep in mind that he had a serious pelvic issue for a couple of years that may have affected his skating. I think he can still improve and apparently he has the work ethic.

  22. wolf8888 says:

    Both great songs. Sunshine has an amazing number of covers. Lean on me too although I’m not quite as sure on that one

  23. wolf8888 says:

    Injury issues would be a real concern for me. Doesn’t matter what you could bring to the line up if you can’t be in the lineup.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: A No. 3 center who can help offensively, is righthanded and covers the defensive conscience of the line is required. Now.

    The solution, of course, is Tyler Bozak.

  25. Pescador says:

    I heard a rumor that T.O. was interested in Matt Benning

  26. ArmchairGM says:

    He’s been superceded on the Blues depth chart, he has just 1 year term left and could likely be acquired for a mid-round pick. Possibly a swap on contracts would work best for both sides… St Louis doesn’t have a very strong LHD depth chart, if you catch my drift.

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    A quick look at puckiq.com shows that Turris was the most sheltered center to play for the Preds last year. I don’t think that’s a really good indicator.

  28. ArmchairGM says:

    Are you thinking Kerfoot? Bozak is with the Blues… Kerfoot might be a decent mid-term 3C, but he’s a lefty (if that’s a concern) and will likely cost a little more than Matt Benning. Which is why I’m suggesting Bozak.

  29. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM:
    He’s been superceded on the Blues depth chart, he has just 1 year term left and could likely be acquired for a mid-round pick. Possibly a swap on contracts would work best for both sides… St Louis doesn’t have a very strong LHD depth chart, if you catch my drift.

    I don’t think this team can afford to take back any salary when they move KRussell. As OP likes to say “clean disposition” is what is needed.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Management over the last number of years has done a great job of establishing a pipeline of d-men including d-men that were drafted outside the first round and developed over years.

    We are now reaping the benefits.

    Of course, as we know, we don’t quite have the pipeline of forwards – part of the reason is we have many of them graduating straight to the NHL for a while – Hall, Nuge, Drai (draft plus 2), Yak, etc.

    Yamamoto was part of the new pipeline – drafted and developed and now making a material impact (even with the development not being “perfect”).

    Hopefully Benson follows – a 2nd round pick developing in to a middle of the roster player that can help in the top 6 is just fine – door isn’t closed on a top 6 role in time or him busting out completely. We will know more in a year.

    Maksimov, McLeod, Marody, Lavoie are in the pipeline and we will add more this off-season – of course, not all those guys will “make it” – Maksi is probably less likely to make it that not but you never know. Marody needs a healthy bounce back year or he will likely not “make it”. The other two will likely “make it” it time – in what capacity? We don’t know.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Yamamoto’s NHL performance wasn’t foretold by his AHL results. What does that tell us about AHL numbers?”

    This is a key statement here. Not everyone has the time or inclination to watch Condors’ games but those that did watch (some or all) the games did generally posit that his “boxcars” undersold his play.

    For one, he was a scoring chance creator but was often playing with the likes of Joe G. and L. Esposito.

    The game that he played in the AHL was exactly what he is playing in the NHL – he was a tenacious menace on the ice causing turnovers, creating scoring chances and drawing penalties.

    The question was really if that part of his game would translate to the NHL level – my goodness has it ever.

    It was reasonable to predict that he could produce at a higher level if playing with higher skill and structure in the NHL but (a) we didn’t know where he was going to play and (b) we surely didn’t expect that “pop” offensively that has occured with two highly skilled players.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: I don’t think this team can afford to take back any salary when they move KRussell. As OP likes to say “clean disposition” is what is needed.

    Even for balance? I’d do nearly anything to see that photo!

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    This coming season is indeed a big one for Tyler Benson.

    No, he doesn’t have to “make the team out of camp” but he does need to earn real NHL time this coming season – it would be great if he does show well in camp and make the team and never look back but that’s not the only route this season.

    When he does earn his NHL shot (assuming he does), whether it be in October or December, he’ll need to run with it.

    He played almost the entirety of his time with Sheahan (and Archie I believe). No offence to Riley but, while that was the “3rd line”, Sheahan is really a 4C.

    I think Benson could “make it” as a middle 6 guy as long as his center has some offensive abilities. Of course, the hope is that Tyler “makes it” as a top 6 guy – be it right away or within the next few years.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Back-up goalie aside, I think most of us agree that one more legit top 6 winger and a legit 3C are what this team needs to transition to “elite”.

    Taking aside the potential new economic landscape and what the cap may be, I think there is the opportunity to potentially acquire one externally and my vote is for the 3C.

    The cap space for that, even if the cap was to increase a few million, would likely require the disposition of Rusty – here is hoping that Holland can make that happen – yes, a clean disposition. It may be tougher than originally thought and it was never going to be easy.

    There are some veterans out there that will be lost cost options like Spezza who still has a bit of game. I’m still interesting in trading for Staal and the one year he has left. Eric Haula, of course, would be a prize.

  35. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM: Even for balance? I’d do nearly anything to see that photo!

    Two kids on a teeter totter in a playground? 😉

  36. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: Mavrik Bourque is a righty center, perhaps the Oilers grab him in the draft. It won’t help short term.

    Dawson Mercer might be better, Seth Jarvis for sure is. I guess it depends on who is available when the Oilers draft.

  37. Lowetide says:

    ArmchairGM: Dawson Mercer might be better, Seth Jarvis for sure is. I guess it depends on who is available when the Oilers draft.

    Mercer and Jarvis are wingers. I was looking at centers.

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: I don’t think this team can afford to take back any salary when they move KRussell. As OP likes to say “clean disposition” is what is needed.

    Seriously though, there’s so much we don’t know about next year’s cap that its impossible to make that call right now. But, the reason for a “clean disposition” is to free up cap space to sign a 3C, correct? What if the best 3C available is already under contract somewhere else? Then a trade becomes necessary… although come to think about it, St. Louis wants a clean disposition too. So if Holland can find someone to take Russell’s contract for a 7th (say) and then he turns around and acquires Bozak with a 5th (say), that amounts to the same thing, doesn’t it? Russell-for-Bozak with a pick swap.

  39. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: Mercer and Jarvis are wingers.

    Steve Kournianos disagrees:

    “Versatility is the first thing that comes to mind when analyzing the intangibles Jarvis can bring. Not only is he deployed as either a center or wing, but Jarvis also plays the point on the power play and is used as a primary penalty killer.”

    “Although he plays center and wing (and looks like a natural at both), I don’t see any major flaws in Mercer’s game.”

  40. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM: Seriously though, there’s so much we don’t know about next year’s cap that its impossible to make that call right now. But, the reason for a “clean disposition” is to free up cap space to sign a 3C, correct? What if the best 3C available is already under contract somewhere else? Then a trade becomes necessary… although come to think about it, St. Louis wants a clean disposition too. So if Holland can find someone to take Russell’s contract for a 7th (say) and then he turns around and acquires Bozak with a 5th (say), that amounts to the same thing, doesn’t it? Russell-for-Bozak with a pick swap.

    Agreed that nobody know how the cap will play out but the last time I ran my line estimates for next year based upon a cap of $84.5 mil before everything changed I couldn’t see how we could fit in a 3C at more than $3.5 mil. Bozak is quite a bit more than that and I no longer think the cap will rise one dime if not dip slightly.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

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    Wow…they’re starting to seal off Vancouver Island.

  42. godot10 says:

    Exactly where is he going to be doing this full summer of training and skating?

  43. defmn says:

    They closed the bridge to PEI other than commercial traffic and residents weeks ago I believe. There will be military in the streets in major cities within two weeks would be my guess.

  44. N64 says:

    BC Ferries traffic down 80%. People staying in place. More commercial traffic on the 2 routes from Tsawassen.

  45. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Agreed that nobody know how the cap will play out but the last time I ran my line estimates for next year based upon a cap of $84.5 mil before everything changed I couldn’t see how we could fit in a 3C at more than $3.5 mil. Bozak is quite a bit more than that and I no longer think the cap will rise one dime if not dip slightly.

    My expectation is there will be an artificial cap negotiated at around $80 million with the owners making up lost 50/50 revenue over a period of 3-5 years.

    I also believe there will be two compliance buyouts per team which will free up 62 players…some of whom could be third line centres who could be signed for a deep discount.

    The trick will be to identify who those might be before the free for all.

  46. JJS says:

    I consider myself to have a decent understanding of the game and the need for strength in key positions – particularly down the middle

    But I was not a fan of Strome when he was here. At the time, I was of the impression that 3rd line centers were a dime a dozen and he just didn’t get much done

    Man – now that I have seen a half dozen auditions for that role with limited success, I have finally gained perspective and appreciate the man and the position

    Where is Playoff Peca when you need him?!

  47. Harpers Hair says:

    N64,

    Yeah but it’s like shutting down the QE2 between Edmonton and Calgary.

    The ferries are our transportation system.

    Commercial freight traffic goes through Duke Point south of Nanaimo so at least there’s that.

  48. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: My expectation is there will be an artificial cap negotiated at around $80 million with the owners making up lost 50/50 revenue over a period of 3-5 years.

    I also believe there will be two compliance buyouts per team which will free up 62 players…some of whom could be third line centres who could be signed for a deep discount.

    The trick will be to identify who those might be before the free for all.

    That is pretty much exactly what I wrote here the day our host wrote about the possibility of a $60 mil cap. It might have been Monday but you know how reliable old memories are for dates.

    We’ll see if Gary can turn this into a long term CBA extension.

  49. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    N64,

    Yeah but it’s like shutting down the QE2 between Edmonton and Calgary.

    The ferries are our transportation system.

    Commercial freight traffic goes through Duke Point south of Nanaimo so at least there’s that.

    That may not be that far off. The meeting last night between the premiers and the PM that is now public knowledge was about how much information on numbers and spread should be released to the public and in what stages to do so in order to not create too much panic.

    I hope this doesn’t violate that “no politics” edict. My apologies if it does and I will understand if it is deleted.

  50. ArmchairGM says:

    This guy could be available at #82… thoughts?

    https://dobberprospects.com/player/michael-benning/

  51. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: That is pretty much exactly what I wrote here the day our host wrote about the possibility of a $60 mil cap. It might have been Monday but you know how reliable old memories are for dates.

    We’ll see if Gary can turn this into a long term CBA extension.

    Under the circumstances I would think that would be in the best interests of both the players and the owners.

  52. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Under the circumstances I would think that would be in the best interests of both the players and the owners.

    And I think Fehr is smart enough to realize that. As much as people like to hate on Gary I think it is important to note that the PA has not always had the smartest guys leading their negotiating teams in the past.

  53. Elgin R says:

    Good RC and RD are the most expensive players to procure in trades due to scarcity. Therefore, when you get one you keep it or get max value on the trade market. Now Holland has to fix Pistol Pete’s mistakes.

    I also did not appreciate Strome enough when he was an Oiler. He would sure help slot the others appropriately.

    Hoping Holland can get this done before the start of next season.

  54. N64 says:

    1. At least 3 of the big 4 provinces have offered up current “best” and “worst” cases based on their models this week. Public Health Canada has the extra problem of inspecting those models for the big 4 and doing there own for the whole country.

    2. Models are models and have way too many parameters. So the best scenario is the raw numbers on social distancing, testing, infection, hospitalization, icu, ventilator, death achievements are available to all the epidemiology modelers. That’s why e.g. the UK’s Imperial College modelers can model other countries. That’s a good thing and standard and very helpful for hurricane modelling.

    3. Google has been gathering social distancing info for gov’ts. Likewise important they share that with the public: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/google-launches-social-distancing-tracking-site-using-location-data.html

  55. defmn says:

    I repeat my oft stated view that with politicians it is far more instructive to watch what they are doing than to listen to what they are saying.

    This news says a lot imo.

    ABC News
    @ABC

    Google launching tool that will publicly track people’s movements, allowing health officials to check whether their communities are abiding by social-distancing measures. https://abcn.ws/3bOxivs

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    defmn: That may not be that far off. The meeting last night between the premiers and the PM that is now public knowledge was about how much information on numbers and spread should be released to the public and in what stages to do so in order to not create too much panic.

    I hope this doesn’t violate that “no politics” edict. My apologies if it does and I will understand if it is deleted.

    Not good when politicians and bureaucrats get together to discuss what info to make public. Rarely does the pendulum swing in favour of the public.

  57. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: Not good when politicians and bureaucrats get together to discuss what info to make public.Rarely does the pendulum swing in favour of the public.

    We saw – or I saw on twitter – far more info on computer modelling for outcomes in various provinces – Saskatchewan, Ontario & Alberta – than I was expecting based on something something going into the meeting.

  58. N64 says:

    Politicians and epidemiologists and tech cos and every one else sure talk a lot about social distancing.

    Google has decided its better for them and the public if the public *also* gets to see the results of all of that talk.

    https://www.blog.google/technology/health/covid-19-community-mobility-reports

  59. N64 says:

    Yes and BC before that. The something something is about when Canada will release the federal models. Not sure how they can release the national ones without understanding what the provinces just released. Expecting Public Heath Canada to release quickly as they can. No idea if Quebec released a model but Ontario and Quebec’s next few weeks are very critical.

  60. PennersPancakes says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m still interesting in trading for Staal and the one year he has left.

    Whats the value youd be willing to give up for that?

  61. defmn says:

    N64:
    Yes and BC before that. The something something is about when Canada will release the federal models. Not sure how they can release the national ones without understanding what the provinces just released. No idea if Quebec released a model but Ontario and Quebec’s next few weeks are very critical.

    That is why I was surprised to see a model for Ontario released this morning. I have no idea if that model is accurate or not but I was under the impression that the main voices opposed to releasing everything they know came from Ottawa and Toronto based upon concerns of public panic.

  62. geowal says:

    I need to get back in the habit of checking in here before lunchtime, there may not be politics but that appears to be the shelf life of hockey talk around here before the other topic kicks in.

  63. pts2pndr says:

    Reality is his skating was due to his pubis injury that almost derailed his hockey career entirely. I don’t have the medical knowledge to know if he can improve his skating. I do know that the young man has the heart of a warrior and the courage to persevere even when the odds are stacked against him. I will continue to cheer for him and am unwilling to count him out as you have done. He deserves better!

  64. wolf8888 says:

    Please leave the covid stories out and the hockey talk in. We can get the covid stories anywhere.

  65. pts2pndr says:

    Its a myth!🙄

  66. godot10 says:

    “They” never say “models are models and have way too many parameters” when they tell us the climate models must be taken as gospel truth.

    The raw temperature data isn’t even allowed to be seen by the public.

    The exact inverse of the pandemic. Where they give us the data, and hide the models.

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: My expectation is there will be an artificial cap negotiated at around $80 million with the owners making up lost 50/50 revenue over a period of 3-5 years.

    I also believe there will be two compliance buyouts per team which will free up 62 players…some of whom could be third line centres who could be signed for a deep discount.

    The trick will be to identify who those might be before the free for all.

    With 2 CBO’s there would be lots of possibilities. A quick look shows this with 1 CBO:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/319292
    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/317822
    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/316347

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM:
    This guy could be available at #82… thoughts?

    https://dobberprospects.com/player/michael-benning/

    Okay, since nobody is biting… Benning’s stats are basically identical to Makar’s draft year stats from the same league. Same GP, same points. Makar scored about twice as many goals and is 2 inches taller though…

  69. N64 says:

    Based on the public counting numbers for the 2 weeks ending yesterday.

    Days for cases to double based on last week (and the week before last week).

    Longer is good.

    Italy 13.6 (7.2)
    Singapore 11.3 (7.1)
    British Columbia 11.1 (4.2)
    Washington 7.0 (5.7)
    Alberta 7.0 (3.4)
    New York 5.4 (2.5)
    Ontario 4.1* (4.0*)
    Quebec 4.0 (1.9*)
    Michigan 3.6 (2.3)

    Context matters. Locales that are further down the curve or coming down the far side are different than locales earlier on the track.

    Ontario and Quebec are at key points.

    * these numbers were impacted by Ontario clearing a test backlog last week and Quebec clearing a test backlog the week before that.

  70. Caller Zen says:

    This sort of makes me miss hockey, just a little bit…
    “Wayne Gretzky and Connor McDavid Have an Epic Conversation | One-on-One | GQ Sports”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QneyJwGa2N0&feature=emb_title

  71. Revolved says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Soul legend Bill Withers passes away.

    Ain’t No Sunshine and Lean On Me are classics.

    Grandma’s hands clapped in church on Sunday morning
    Grandma’s hands, they played the tambourine so well
    Grandma’s hands used to issue out a warning,
    she said Willie why you run so fast, might fall on a piece of glass,
    might be snakes there in that grass, Grandma’s hands

    Grandma’s hands soothed the local unwed mother
    Grandma’s hands used to ache sometimes and swell
    Grandma’s hands used to lift her face and tell her, she’d say
    listen grandma understands that you really loved that man
    put your faith in Jesus’ hands, Grandma’s hands

    Grandma’s hands used to hand me a piece of candy
    Grandma’s hands picked me up each time I fell, and
    Grandma’s hands, yeah they really came in handy
    she’d say, Willie why’d you whip that boy?
    What you want to spank him for?
    Cause he didn’t drop no apple core.
    But I don’t have grandma anymore.
    When I get to heaven I’ll look for
    Grandma’s hands

  72. Revolved says:

    defmn:
    They closed the bridge to PEI other than commercial traffic and residents weeks ago I believe. There will be military in the streets in major cities within two weeks would be my guess.

    The idea of personal interactions with the military is repugnant to me. I’m glad I live in Sweden.

  73. N64 says:

    Too many parameters for models to be accurate. Hurricane models are way better. Air doesn’t change behaviour to avoid danger and we don’t get new types of air with unknown transmission rates and severity.

    But since pandemics go big like hurricanes you try hard to see where risk is highest and advise people what to do.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes:
    If the Oilers dont go the trade route for a 3C (short on picks unless they unload Pulju+) and with no internal options available that leaves free agency. Whos the best option or maybe whos the most realistic option? Without any knowledge of the cap lets pretend its going to stay flat? Notable UFAs include (age when next season starts):

    – Haula – 29 years old- 0.5 PPG. Decent P/60 other than 7 game stint in Florida. Can PP but PK time has dropped since Mini days.
    – Granlund – 28 years old – 0.5 PPG. Listed as C but has played winger for the last 4ish years it seems.
    – Eakin – 29 years old – 0.3 PPG. Couple 40 and 30 point seasons in the books. Doesnt really PP but is no stranger to the PK.
    – Wilson – 31 years old – ??? PPG. Last season with only 9 games murks what he can bring to the table. Consistently great possession stats. Doesnt PK.
    – Brassard – 33 years old – 0.5 PPG. Islanders were his 5th team in 3 years but with the Pageau trade he might not have a spot. Can PP but never been a strong PK option.

    What do you guys think? Am I missing anyone who might be an option?

    Personally I find a 3C who doesnt PK a luxury. Yes Nuge and Drai can PK but load management is becoming more of a thing every season it seems. Haula seems like the sexier player and has sustained history of 5v5 numbers but if he prices himself out/Holland puts more weight on the value of PK I wouldnt be surprised or angry with Eakins.

    Thoughts?

    Good post.

    I won’t mention Staal as your post is not about trade targets.

    One thought is Spezza – I think they were actually happy with him generally in Toronto. I did a very quick check and he was a 1.98P/60 – I didn’t check linemates but gather he wasn’t playing with the likes of Nylander.

    He CF% was positive as was his GF% and xGF% including relative numbers.

    —————-

    As far as internally, you are right, there are no options although I haven’t 100% given up on Marody – this season was essentially lost for him with injury – I don’t think he started the year recovered from the Kale Kessy goonery in the playoffs. Maybe this extra long off-season will be good for him to get back to full health?

    Of course, even if he does turn out to be a great 3C we sure can’t count on that going in to the start of next season – would just be a very pleasant surprise.

  75. PennersPancakes says:

    Both RHD, with numbers difference being less goals but more apples and slightly shorter… Is there any explanation why hes ranked in the third round (74 Future Considerations)?

    Would have to think between him and Savoie that AJ team would be getting a lot of attention. The Athletic article from Wednesday mentions scouts thinking they could go late 1st to early 3rd I guess but likely in the late second. Sounds like a deep draft if youre taking about possible 2nd pairing guys in the third.

    I wonder if a team such as Detroit or Montreal with multiple 2nds/3rds would look at taking both as a package. Theyre already both committed to the same college. Another story to look forwards to at draft day.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Brandon Sutter.

    The post you responded do was clear “If the Oilers don’t trade…..”.

    So, sure, if the Canucks buy out Sutter, I’d be happy to sign him for under $2M but without term.

    He’d be a great 3C if he could stay on the damn ice.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    He’s been superceded on the Blues depth chart, he has just 1 year term left and could likely be acquired for a mid-round pick. Possibly a swap on contracts would work best for both sides… St Louis doesn’t have a very strong LHD depth chart, if you catch my drift.

    I don’t know the player well enough but my understanding is that Bozak is quote poor defensively which is not something I look for in a 3C.

    Caveat: I’m basing the above off of reading posts from Leaf fans over the years.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: I don’t think this team can afford to take back any salary when they move KRussell. As OP likes to say “clean disposition” is what is needed.

    This is true although that is in the name of cap space to be used to pay the acquired 3C.

    To the extent the 3C is the trade return………

    Of course, given the Rusty contract is negative value, I don’t imagine a 3C with positive value coming back…..

  79. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    What is Lowetide’s threshold for constituting a political post? Honest question, because I read a lot of politics into these Coved conversations and hey also a lot of politics are inherent to collective bargaining.

    Are there just like much wilder posts,perhaps advocating for Maoist land reform or something, that I’m missing and LT is deleting faster than I can see them?

  80. PennersPancakes says:

    OriginalPouzar: One thought is Spezza – I think they were actually happy with him generally in Toronto. I did a very quick check and he was a 1.98P/60 – I didn’t check linemates but gather he wasn’t playing with the likes of Nylander.

    He CF% was positive as was his GF% and xGF% including relative numbers.

    —————-

    Didnt even think about Spezza. If his contract is like the one he signed in Toronto, 1 year and totally buriable thats not an issue at all. GUess you just need to convince him to come over. With another year burned I am worried if the game is slipping by. Could be a good 4C but over the last 3 seasons his ATOI has been 13, 13, 10. With no PK time either.

    I would be hesitant grabbing him for 3C duty.

  81. N64 says:

    Pretty much anything directly involving either Mr. T (north or south of the 49th parallel) is going to file 13 and that’s fine.

  82. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Given the loss of revenue and the actual money owed to KR, do you think that would help potentially offset some of the cap hit? Trade value wise.

  83. John Chambers says:

    The NHL team who will likely benefit the most (assuming we have hockey come back in the summer) …

    The Vancouver Canucks

    Jakob Markstrom gets healthy for the playoffs, and they get to manoever themselves out of cap hell, buying out Loui Eriksson and Brandon Sutter.

  84. defmn says:

    Humans are by nature political according to Aristotle (and others) so any conversation involving people is political by default. 😉

  85. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t know the player well enough but my understanding is that Bozak is quote poor defensively which is not something I look for in a 3C.

    Caveat: I’m basing the above off of reading posts from Leaf fans over the years.

    His SA/60 Rel, GA/60 Rel and xGA/60 Rel are all negative, which on a team like St. Louis is pretty impressive (negative is good in this case).

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=STL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=100&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    His historic SF% Rel, GF% Rel and xGF% Rel generally have been positive (3 or 4 of the past 5 years), and he’s a fantastic faceoff man. He isn’t worth $5M, but with some cap going back (Russell?) Holland should be able to make it work.

    http://puckiq.com/players/8475098?player=8475098&season=all&tier=Elite&group_by=player_season_team

  86. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is true although that is in the name of cap space to be used to pay the acquired 3C.

    To the extent the 3C is the trade return………

    Of course, given the Rusty contract is negative value, I don’t imagine a 3C with positive value coming back…..

    Posted this earlier:

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/319292

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    BC Ferries
    @BCFerries· 15m
    #ServiceNotice #HorseshoeBay – #DepartureBay service on this route will be temporarily suspended effective April 4, 2020 for a period of 60 days and re-evaluated based on demand. More information can be found here: http://ow.ly/Mz7O30qv5YW ^mg

    Wow…they’re starting to seal off Vancouver Island.

    That sounds major – I clicked the link and it no longer exists…….

  88. defmn says:

    Hopefully the hockey content meets the threshold for posting.

    Madeline Smith
    @meksmith
    · 2h
    Even if the CFL or NHL resume their seasons within the next couple months, Nenshi says Stampeders and Flames games won’t be permitted to happen in Calgary. #yyccc #COVID19

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: My expectation is there will be an artificial cap negotiated at around $80 million with the owners making up lost 50/50 revenue over a period of 3-5 years.

    I also believe there will be two compliance buyouts per team which will free up 62 players…some of whom could be third line centres who could be signed for a deep discount.

    The trick will be to identify who those might be before the free for all.

    Yes, I posted about a flat cap (give or take) for the next few years which will be made up over the course of the next few years – E. Friedman wrote about it.

    2 compliance buyouts per team will not open up 62 players though as not all teams will buy out 2 players.

    Last time there were compliance buyouts its was split in to thirds (approximately) – with a third buyout out two, a third buyout out one and a third buying out zero.

    While there is generally cost savings for the owners over time (depends though as there needs to be a replacement on the roster which costs), there will be many owners and ownership groups that will not pay for a player to go away – not create that absolute sunk cost.

    This was true even when the economy was “normal” and I imagine it will be moreso now.

    I’m not even sure Katz would be willing to buy out Neal let alone Edwards and company buying out Lucic, for example.

  90. wolf8888 says:

    Does anyone here really come for this Covid story? Surely if you are interested you can find it in the news?!

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Elgin R:
    Good RC and RD are the most expensive players to procure in trades due to scarcity.Therefore, when you get one you keep it or get max value on the trade market.Now Holland has to fix Pistol Pete’s mistakes.

    I also did not appreciate Strome enough when he was an Oiler.He would sure help slot the others appropriately.

    Hoping Holland can get this done before the start of next season.

    I put part culpability on McLellan as well.

    While I think Strome did fine as a 3C – it created a very low event line as he had middling wingers at best (and I felt he was a plus passer in the offensive zone), McLellan failed to use the asset at 1/2 RW.

    He played two games with McDavid in exhibition, scored a goal, and then was never seen in the top 6 again – it was wild.

    There is every chance that Strome could be a 1/2RW on this team (and Kassian could be properly slotted as a plus 3rd line player).

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: That is pretty much exactly what I wrote here the day our host wrote about the possibility of a $60 mil cap. It might have been Monday but you know how reliable old memories are for dates.

    We’ll see if Gary can turn this into a long term CBA extension.

    Ya, Friedman has put it out there as well (the flat cap for the next few years with the 50/50 being made up over the term – not necessarily the compliance buyouts).

    LeBrun believes that this is a great opportunity to get a new CBA extension done (they were doing well in high level negotiations before those were put on the backburner due to the crisis).

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    PennersPancakes: Whats the value youd be willing to give up for that?

    One year to UFA for an aging player so not a ton but he did have a solid year and has some value.

    I don’t know what MIN needs but I would do Puljujarvi plus a mid-rounder (or similar value prospect) or Benning plus a decent B level prospect.

    I’d need to go through their roster to see what they might need.

  94. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Marody just may surprise, lets hope he does.

    Reminds me of Bear who had a good look then went off the radar in 18-19 while we all looked at Jones. Bear being offered up as trade bait on many summer lists. Then Bear arrived with authority.

    Marody is certainly off the radar right now. He did not get a long look at camp, I thought he must have been outperformed but perhaps just injury. Plus they had time and money invested in Jurco, Hass, Granlund… If he was injured and they knew he was injured it may explain a lot. Hope so.

  95. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I posted about a flat cap (give or take) for the next few years which will be made up over the course of the next few years – E. Friedman wrote about it.

    2 compliance buyouts per team will not open up 62 players though as not all teams will buy out 2 players.

    Last time there were compliance buyouts its was split in to thirds (approximately) – with a third buyout out two, a third buyout out one and a third buying out zero.

    While there is generally cost savings for the owners over time (depends though as there needs to be a replacement on the roster which costs), there will be many owners and ownership groups that will not pay for a player to go away – not create that absolute sunk cost.

    This was true even when the economy was “normal” and I imagine it will be moreso now.

    I’m not even sure Katz would be willing to buy out Neal let alone Edwards and company buying out Lucic, for example.

    The fact that the economy is not normal is all the more incentive to buy players out.

    Compliance buyouts are 2/3 of the remaining contract over twice the remaining term.

    Even with bonus heavy contracts this can work in the owners favour.

    For example…Loui Eriksson is due a $3 million bonus on July 1.

    If the Canucks buy him out the next day, there are only $5 million dollars remaining on the final two years of his contract.

  96. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers:
    The NHL team who will likely benefit the most (assuming we have hockey come back in the summer) …

    The Vancouver Canucks

    Jakob Markstrom gets healthy for the playoffs, and they get to manoever themselves out of cap hell, buying out Loui Eriksson and Brandon Sutter.

    Yes and they will be able to sign Markstrom and Toffoli at reduced UFA prices.

    The economic drag of a flat cap will also benefit teams that have star players coming off ELC’s and looking for long term or bridge deals.

    In Vancouver’s case, the next contracts for Petterson and Hughes are likely to be far lower than would have otherwise been the case.

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    Canada has a trump card to play if the US refuses to allow 3M to export medical supplies to Canada.

    And it’s in Nanaimo.

    https://www.vicnews.com/business/nanaimos-harmac-mill-works-to-fill-doubled-pulp-order-for-medical-masks-and-gowns/

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leroy Draisdale:
    Given the loss of revenue and the actual money owed to KR, do you think that would help potentially offset some of the cap hit? Trade value wise.

    That was/is the logic that many have posited, even before the current situation – i was (am) generally of the position that there aren’t any teams these days that need help getting to the cap floor – most of the teams are tight to the cap or in some sort of cap crunch – even Arizona is a cap team.

    Sure, maybe Ottawa and maybe a couple other but not many.

    I’m not sure this changes the analysis much – if the upper cap limit doesn’t rise, the lower cap limit doesn’t rise.

    The structure surely doesn’t hurt but, at the end of the day, the cap hit remains the biggest factor notwithstanding the actual cash out.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: The fact that the economy is not normal is all the more incentive to buy players out.

    Compliance buyouts are 2/3 of the remaining contract over twice the remaining term.

    Even with bonus heavy contracts this can work in the owners favour.

    For example…Loui Eriksson is due a $3 million bonus on July 1.

    If the Canucks buy him out the next day, there are only $5 million dollars remaining on the final two years of his contract.

    Yes, I understand how buyouts work but thank you for the explanation.

    As my post stated, while there are cost savings, certain owners/ownership groups may not be willing to pay real cash for an asset to go away – the cost savings are also mitigated by the player being bought out needing to be replaced (at least $700K for a league min player).

    Paying multiple millions of dollars for a player to go away and not work for you, even though it will save money in the long term, is not something all owners/ownership groups would be willing to do.

  100. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I understand how buyouts work but thank you for the explanation.

    As my post stated, while there are cost savings, certain owners/ownership groups may not be willing to pay real cash for an asset to go away – the cost savings are also mitigated by the player being bought out needing to be replaced (at least $700K for a league min player).

    Paying multiple millions of dollars for a player to go away and not work for you, even though it will save money in the long term, is not something all owners/ownership groups would be willing to do.

    Many teams have players under contract who could replace the bought out players at much lower cost.

    For example the Canucks currently have too many forwards and, specifically, too many centers.

    Those teams, like the Oilers, who have very few forward options and a dearth of centres but an excess of middling defensemen have many fewer options.

  101. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I’ve been only slightly obsessed with a Michael McLeod acquisition, but even though he’s been good on the dot, he’s likely still 2 years away. From what I’ve read though his struggles in Utica have a lot to due to the messy structure with that team.

    I’ve been eye-balling him as a buy-low candidate…..

  102. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I disagree with useless, but you are right about his salary and there is no guarantee you would get more than 40 games out of him.

    I do think about Jeff Carter, he had a good year last year.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    What is Lowetide’s threshold for constituting a political post? Honest question, because I read a lot of politics into these Coved conversations and hey also a lot of politics are inherent to collective bargaining.

    Are there just like much wilder posts,perhaps advocating for Maoist land reform or something, that I’m missing and LT is deleting faster than I can see them?

    Well I asked and the posts kept coming, so now I’ve populated my ‘flag’ list with a bunch of words and most of them will get caught up and never see the light of day.

  104. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Canada has a trump card to play if the US refuses to allow 3M to export medical supplies to Canada.

    And it’s in Nanaimo.

    https://www.vicnews.com/business/nanaimos-harmac-mill-works-to-fill-doubled-pulp-order-for-medical-masks-and-gowns/

    Given the disaster happening in the US none of the masks should leave the country. It’s not just the supplies but the uncoordinated effort by 50 states to get supplies
    Also sorry to say Canada never has a trump card

  105. defmn says:

    Lowetide: Well I asked and the posts kept coming, so now I’ve populated my ‘flag’ list with a bunch of words and most of them will get caught up and never see the light of day.

    So that I understand.

    Is it your wish that there be no discussion of the pandemic here on your blog?

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – To the extent LT wants to focus the blog, comments and discussion: that’s his perogative, and he’s been firm about that forever.

    – I hope one day he doens’t rue the opportunity missed for linking his gift of prose, wisdom, compassion and life stories with what’s happening to all of us collectively. It’s an Oiler’s blog to be sure.

    – I bet if LT wanted to though, he could dig deep, write some special stuff, linking it to the Oil to be sure.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Many teams have players under contract who could replace the bought out players at much lower cost.

    For example the Canucks currently have too many forwards and, specifically, too many centers.

    Those teams, like the Oilers, who have very few forward options and a dearth of centres but an excess of middling defensemen have many fewer options.

    Forwards under contract that are not currently contributing to the cap by being on the 23 man?

    Even if so that doesn’t change the fact that some/many owners will simply not pay for a player to go away even if it does save money in the long term.

    If I was allowed to gamble, I would put big money on there not being 62 compliance buyouts if 2 per team are permitted (and, yes, there are probably, at least two contracts on every team that are poor value and management and ownership wish were not signed).

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Well I asked and the posts kept coming, so now I’ve populated my ‘flag’ list with a bunch of words and most of them will get caught up and never see the light of day.

    I wonder if something like this will get through: Having a negative value cap hit will trump the lower cash outlay in most cases.

  109. Lowetide says:

    defmn: So that I understand.

    Is it your wish that there be no discussion of the pandemic here on your blog?

    My wish is that we don’t enter into discussions that last the entire thread that turn into political cross talk. The other night there was an awesome discussion of old bands/clubs in Edmonton but you have to wade through miles of political stuff.

    Religion and politics. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Trust me. So, I’m fine with educational or opinions that don’t involve name calling or suggesting one side or the other is run by dipshits.

  110. defmn says:

    Lowetide: My wish is that we don’t enter into discussions that last the entire thread that turn into political cross talk. The other night there was an awesome discussion of old bands/clubs in Edmonton but you have to wade through miles of political stuff.

    Religion and politics. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Trust me. So, I’m fine with educational or opinions that don’t involve name calling or suggesting one side or the other is run by dipshits.

    Thank you for the answer and, not that my opinion matters in this, I totally agree. This is not the time for partisanship, finger pointing or blame.

    This is just the beginning of this pandemic, though, so I wanted to be clear on whether on not posting about it was permitted.

    And, yeah, the conversation last night was a lot of fun for me. I hadn’t thought about those days in a long time.

  111. N64 says:

    Maybe we can all be guided by MacT if we’re wondering where the line is:

    IF YOU HAVE TO ASK.

    This thing seems pretty good at changing minds. Bottom up or top down everyone changes to try to get through this without destroying the hospitals that protect all of us.

  112. N64 says:

    defmn: This is not the time for partisanship, finger pointing or blame.

    + ∞

  113. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: My wish is that we don’t enter into discussions that last the entire thread that turn into political cross talk. The other night there was an awesome discussion of old bands/clubs in Edmonton but you have to wade through miles of political stuff.

    Religion and politics. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Trust me. So, I’m fine with educational or opinions that don’t involve name calling or suggesting one side or the other is run by dipshits.

    How about recipes?

    Given we are all living in a “different time”, I thought I would share one that we made last night.

    It’s a comfort food that makes everyone who experiences it warm and cozy…Roasted Garlic Soup.

    Cut two large heads of garlic in half…drizzle with olive oil and season with seasoning salt.

    Roast in the oven for about 20 minutes until golden brown…the aroma is hypnotic.

    Set aside the garlic until cool and then mince.

    In a large soup pot, caramelize one whole sweet onion.

    Add the garlic and 1 litre of chicken stock.

    Add half a cup of sweet corn and half a litre of whipping cream.

    Simmer for 20 minutes.

    Add about a cup of cubed white bread (thickening agent) and simmer for another 10 minutes.

    Blend using a hand held “boat motor”

    Add any preferred meat or seafood like grilled chicken or prawns.

    Serve with grated Parmesan, scallions, bacon bits and croutons.

    Oh my.

    Any leftovers make a fabulous pasta sauce.

    Would appreciate all your favourite recipes for these trying times.

  114. Lowetide says:

    defmn: Thank you for the answer and, not that my opinion matters in this, I totally agree. This is not the time for partisanship, finger pointing or blame.

    This is just the beginning of this pandemic, though, so I wanted to be clear on whether on not posting about it was permitted.

    And, yeah, the conversation last night was a lot of fun for me. I hadn’t thought about those days in a long time.

    Oh hell, I’m thrilled with the info and stats on the virus. That’s a public service to all of us

  115. defmn says:

    One of my faves.

    Westlake Beef Soup

    Ingredients

    ½ lb lean ground beef
    1 (530g) soft tofu, drained and cut into small cubes
    ¼ cup cornstarch
    2 eggs, lightly beaten
    ⅔ cup chopped cilantro
    ¼ cup chopped green onions
    1 (284ml) can sliced mushrooms, drained and diced (optional)
    8 cups chicken stock
    Salt and pepper to taste

    Beef marinade

    2 tsp rice wine (optional)
    1 tsp oyster sauce
    1 tsp soy sauce
    1 tsp sesame oil (or oil of some type)
    ½ tsp sugar

    Instructions

    In a bowl, combine the marinade and ground beef; mix well. Marinate for 15 minutes.

    Bring the chicken stock to a boil. Lower the heat to medium and add the marinated ground beef. Cook for 2 minutes, break up any lumps.

    Add tofu, cilantro, green onions and diced mushrooms (if using) to the soup. Stir and season to taste.

    In a small bowl, dissolve ¼ cup cornstarch in ¼ cup water. Slowly add the mixture to the soup, stirring until the soup thickens.

    Remove from heat and immediately pour in beaten egg in a steady stream to form flower patterns on the surface.

    Garnish with chopped green onions.

    Tip: have all these parts ready before you start because you won’t have time once you get going.

  116. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Thank you for the answer and, not that my opinion matters in this, I totally agree. This is not the time for partisanship, finger pointing or blame.

    This is just the beginning of this pandemic, though, so I wanted to be clear on whether on not posting about it was permitted.

    And, yeah, the conversation last night was a lot of fun for me. I hadn’t thought about those days in a long time.

    So happy to share with those who are connected.

  117. Halfwise says:

    Wouldn’t it be cool if a team could also trade a compliance buyout?

    And that trade opportunity was available before the 2020 draft?

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn:
    One of my faves.

    Westlake Beef Soup

    Ingredients

    ½ lb lean ground beef 1 (530g) soft tofu, drained and cut into small cubes ¼ cup cornstarch 2 eggs, lightly beaten ⅔ cup chopped cilantro ¼ cup chopped green onions 1 (284ml) can sliced mushrooms, drained and diced (optional) 8 cups chicken stock Salt and pepper to taste

    Beef marinade

    2 tsp rice wine (optional) 1 tsp oyster sauce 1 tsp soy sauce 1 tsp sesame oil (or oil of some type) ½ tsp sugar

    Instructions

    In a bowl, combine the marinade and ground beef; mix well. Marinate for 15 minutes.

    Bring the chicken stock to a boil. Lower the heat to medium and add the marinated ground beef. Cook for 2 minutes, break up any lumps.

    Add tofu, cilantro, green onions and diced mushrooms (if using) to the soup. Stir and season to taste.

    In a small bowl, dissolve ¼ cup cornstarch in ¼ cup water. Slowly add the mixture to the soup, stirring until the soup thickens.

    Remove from heat and immediately pour in beaten egg in a steady stream to form flower patterns on the surface.

    Garnish with chopped green onions.

    Tip: have all these parts ready before you start because you won’t have time once you get going.

    Will try tomorrow…thanks.

  119. defmn says:

    Lowetide: Oh hell, I’m thrilled with the info and stats on the virus. That’s a public service to all of us

    Thanks again. Love the hockey talk but it isn’t like there is breaking news every day now with the season shut down. 😉

    Today was my first day to really wade in on the virus. I am old and retired for a long time now but I still hear a few things from people at the political level so I thought I should post.

  120. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I’ve got the family looking forward to a “formal dinner” Saturday night.

    – Menu still be negotiated between me wife 10 year old and 7 year old: the planning has been really part of the fun. so far steaks and scallops portobello mushrooms have been agreed to. Still working on other sides and appetizers. Kids and wife are going to make some chocolate thingy. I might add HH’s soup… I do all the cooking except dessert is the deal.

    – Anywya kids tmrw are going to prepare a “menu” even a special one for the 9 month old and they will act as both the waiters (and guests). We are busting out the China, grandmothers silver, great grandmothers crystal glasses, table cloth, while nine yards. Will wear formal clothes : suits for the boys dresses and heels for the ladies at the Bistro Kinger.

    – Dad gets to bbq the steaks scallops and portobello mushrooms on grill smoke a cigar.

    – Take the time to create joyful memories with you loved ones that can be looked back at with fondness during this remarkable health crisis.

  121. Justthestatsman says:

    I enjoyed reading through the recipes, but I may need to just read them. I’m not doing that well with the lack of activity combined with my wife’s excellent cooking. Her specialty (and my weakness) is dessert.

    I did a double take looking at the profile of some fat guy in my mirror this morning.

  122. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Will try tomorrow…thanks.

    I copied and pasted from where I got the recipe originally. I have never used canned mushrooms like I see they recommend. I prefer fresh enoki’s if you can find them.

  123. Georgexs says:

    “I think Benson needs to bust a move at some point in 2020-21.”

    Do you think the NHL (or any spectator sport) comes back before a vaccine? Vaccine timeline is hard to predict (1.5 years? 2 years?), but how do the ones in charge green light large gatherings while this virus is still circulating in North America? I guess we’ll find out. We’ll also find out what people in the new world will make of athletes and all their moves.

    I don’t think context explains Yamamoto. I don’t watch AHL games, but this season’s Yamamoto was making plays at an all-star rate. Maybe he was also doing that in the AHL with linemates who had no game. But I’ve never seen this highly skilled, highly competitive, highly confident version of Yamamoto. Drai and RNH had a small run of excellence with Hall way back in 15-16. Outside of that, they were never world beaters, never confident when paired together. They didn’t give Yamamoto his giddyup. He came with giddyup installed.

  124. Jaxon says:

    jtblack: Benson is not going to magically improve his skating, not even with loads of hard work. He is what is he and that’s the reason he’s at where’s he’s at.

    I don’t think that is necessarily true. Also, I don’t think his skating is quite the negative we’re making it out to be. I thought he kept up fine in his cup of coffee. He didn’t get many points, but he also didn’t have scoring linemates and that wasn’t his role on the team.

    His fast skating was never his strength, but it also wasn’t really a weakness, and I didn’t see him behind the play this year. On the other hand, his edges and shiftiness is a major plus as a skater.

    And one can look at Mark stone as to why it isn’t necessarily true. Mark Stone, way more than Benson, was known to have weak skating. He worked on it very hard and now was a Selke candidate and one of the best scorers in the league.

    Steve Kournianos (Draft Analyst):
    “Players can be assessed as complete players – that doesn’t mean they exceed the standard in all areas of the game. Benson, on the other hand, comes pretty darn close, almost in an Eric Staal (when he was dominant) kind of way. He is a nightmare to defend because he is as physically punishing with the puck as he is without it. There are only a few of his 2016 draft-eligible peers (Auston Matthews in particular) who makes successful on-the-spot corrections once a chance to create offense in a specific area of the ice is no longer an option. Benson is very shifty with tremendous balance, meaning he can continue to move if he gets hit at the same time he decides to change direction. Possessing the kind of vision and IQ he owns makes it no surprise the CHL came close to giving him “exceptional” status to play a full season as a 15 year old (cut short by a knee injury).”

    McKeen’s Hockey in 2016:
    “Although not a game-breaker when it comes to speed, he has above-average acceleration and ability to create separation .. This comes from a powerful lower body that produces a strong and stable stride. His power aids in fending off checkers .. Continues to push the pace especially when carrying the puck; often has good solo efforts in transition .. Uses his body well to guard and hold off defenders and keep them on his back and away from the puck .. This flows from strong, precise edge work where more lower body strength is obvious .. Stops and starts make him slippery and tough to defend, especially off the wall, powers through his edges to drive his way to the net and create scoring chances.”

  125. Harpers Hair says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I’ve got the family looking forward to a “formal dinner” Saturday night.

    – Menu still be negotiated between me wife 10 year old and 7 year old: the planning has been really part of the fun. so far steaks and scallops portobello mushrooms have been agreed to. Still working on other sides and appetizers. Kids and wife are going to make some chocolate thingy. I might add HH’s soup…I do all the cooking except dessert is the deal.

    – Anywya kids tmrw are going to prepare a “menu” even a special one for the 9 month old and they will act as both the waiters (and guests). We are busting out the China, grandmothers silver, great grandmothers crystal glasses, table cloth, while nine yards. Will wear formal clothes : suits for the boys dresses and heels for the ladies at the BistroKinger.

    – Dad gets to bbq the steaks scallops and portobello mushrooms on grill smoke a cigar.

    – Take the time to create joyful memories with you loved ones that can be looked back at with fondness during this remarkable health crisis.

    Ha…just had a conversation with Mrs. Hair about how the best revenge is living well.

    Creating memories is the key to it all…my best to you and the family.

  126. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: I copied and pasted from where I got the recipe originally. I have never used canned mushrooms like I see they recommend. I prefer fresh enoki’s if you can find them.

    Don’t think that would be a problem.

    Would just sauté them in a little butter for a couple of minutes.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: My wish is that we don’t enter into discussions that last the entire thread that turn into political cross talk. The other night there was an awesome discussion of old bands/clubs in Edmonton but you have to wade through miles of political stuff.

    Religion and politics. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Trust me. So, I’m fine with educational or opinions that don’t involve name calling or suggesting one side or the other is run by dipshits.

    There was also a solid hockey/Oilers conversation generally lost among the political and old band/clubs talk.

    It is what it is though – not hard for me to wade through to topics of personal interest – just wish there was more Oilers related talk but I understand the climate we are in.

    Just hope everyone is happy, whether they are talking bands/clubs, sports or other.

  128. VanIsleOil says:

    Here is an easy one for a cold night. Tastes like you did much more work. Earls Fish Stew is a hit every time and takes no time. Hint: cook the bacon very very crisp. Enjoy

    https://tinyurl.com/twaarjv

  129. oilersjo says:

    Thank you for last night. A trip down that night.memory lane. was at the Kingsway that evening and an unwilling combatant. We were lucky to be that age at a time when live music was thriving.. Still smiling at the memories.

  130. Jaxon says:

    It has always seemed a bit odd that Benson has never seen much time as a C. The reports of his leadership, his defensive responsibility, a team player, with grit, exceptional hockey IQ, and great passing ability all strike me as an ideal qualities for playing C. Has anyone ever heard an explanation as to why he has been slotted as a winger for seemingly his whole young career?

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lunch Shitmix

    Get a giant bowl and insert:

    – 5 ounces or so of spiralized zucchini
    – A couple of cups of kohlrabi (bagged is better than fresh to me)
    – A couple of cups of kale or broccoli slaw or power greens or something along those lines
    – handful of diced red onions
    – 1/2 cup or so of spiralized beets (15 min in over at 400 juices them up a bit)
    – 85g of steamed or plain roasted butternut squash
    – 85g of steamed rutabaga
    – lundberg rice cracker for crunch
    – 3 ounces of baked chicken breast
    – couple table spoons of salsa for dressing
    – 1 ounce nuts

    3 veggie carbs
    2 meals carbs
    2 protein
    1 fat

    ——————————

    Dinner Shitmix

    See Lunch shit mix but:

    – delete chicken and add 3 ounces cod
    – delete nuts but add boiled egg cut up
    – add 3 ounces trout/salmon
    – delete squash but add 1.5 ounces of sweet potato

    3 veg carbs
    3 meal carbs
    3 protein
    1.5 fats

  132. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lunch Shitmix

    Get a giant bowl and insert:

    – 5 ounces or so of spiralized zucchini
    – A couple of cups of kohlrabi (bagged is better than fresh to me)
    – A couple of cups of kale or broccoli slaw or power greens or something along those lines
    – handful of diced red onions
    – 1/2 cup or so of spiralized beets (15 min in over at 400 juices them up a bit)
    – 85g of steamed or plain roasted butternut squash
    – 85g of steamed rutabaga
    – lundberg rice cracker for crunch
    – 3 ounces of baked chicken breast
    – couple table spoons of salsa for dressing
    – 1 ounce nuts

    3 veggie carbs
    2 meals carbs
    2 protein
    1 fat

    ——————————

    Dinner Shitmix

    See Lunch shit mix but:

    – delete chicken and add 3 ounces cod
    – delete nuts but add boiled egg cut up
    – add 3 ounces trout/salmon
    – delete squash but add 1.5 ounces of sweet potato

    3 veg carbs
    3 meal carbs
    3 protein
    1.5 fats

    Be insane.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georgexs:
    “I think Benson needs to bust a move at some point in 2020-21.”

    Do you think the NHL (or any spectator sport) comes back before a vaccine? Vaccine timeline is hard to predict (1.5 years? 2 years?), but how do the ones in charge green light large gatherings while this virus is still circulating in North America? I guess we’ll find out. We’ll also find out what people in the new world will make of athletes and all their moves.

    I don’t think context explains Yamamoto. I don’t watch AHL games, but this season’s Yamamoto was making plays at an all-star rate. Maybe he was also doing that in the AHL with linemates who had no game. But I’ve never seen this highly skilled, highly competitive, highly confident version of Yamamoto. Drai and RNH had a small run of excellence with Hall way back in 15-16. Outside of that, they were never world beaters, never confident when paired together. They didn’t give Yamamoto his giddyup. He came with giddyup installed.

    I watch alot of the Condors and Yamamoto was playing the exact same game in the AHL as he is in the NHL and, yes, you are correct, for much of the time he was playing with the likes of Luke Esposito and Joe G.

    I provided a bit more detail on this up above as well (this morning I believe).

  134. Georgexs says:

    OriginalPouzar: I watch alot of the Condors and Yamamoto was playing the exact same game in the AHL as he is in the NHL and, yes, you are correct, for much of the time he was playing with the likes of Luke Esposito and Joe G.

    I provided a bit more detail on this up above as well (this morning I believe).

    How well does AHL performance predict NHL success? For forwards?

    Why didn’t Marody make the team? Does he still have a chance to be an Oiler?

  135. northerndancer says:

    Here’s one from Edmonton, 1988, maybe 1989, after listening to Kathleen Yearwood rock the Tory Turtle between films.

    Eritrean Doro Wat

    You chat up the gorgeous tall Eritrean women serving food at the Food Fair of the Third World Film Festival in the Hub Residence Community Centre, checking out what makes the red curry chicken so damn fine, slathered across the injira bread and shovelled by the fist full into your waiting gob.

    A week later you go to the residential Mill Woods home address, nervously bang on the front door and are welcomed into the home filled with an extended family and many more, all from Eritrea,

    You spend a wonderous hour or so, just to be polite, and then head home with a kilo of “special paprika”, later identified as berbere, that has been sourced by unknown persons from other unknown persons across the world. You just gotta have a guy.

    As per local instructions spoken with a ‘what kind of man want’s to cook, anyway?” you heat some oil (there it is, hockey reference) and 2 tablespoons of niter kibbeh (a sort of spice infused butter) in a big deep pan or Dutch oven saute the onion, covered, over low heat for 30-45 minutes, stirring occasionally. You add more oil (there it is again) or niter kibbeh if it gets too dry.

    Finely mince garlic and ginger. Add the garlic, ginger, and 1 tablespoon of butter. Continue to saute, covered, over low heat for another 20 minutes, stirring occasionally.

    Add cut up chicken, do the whole thing in parts or at least the thighs and legs and some honey wine or wine and honey and some chicken stock and salt. I like salt. Simmer for 45 minutes or so.

    Season to taste (add more berbere if needed) etc.

    You try to figure out how you are possibly going to master the black art of making injera. You fail.

    Having failed, you make rice, turn on the TV and eat (burning your mouth) and watch the fading glory of those late 80’s oiler teams.

  136. Harpers Hair says:

    Georgexs: How well does AHL performance predict NHL success? For forwards?

    Why didn’t Marody make the team? Does he still have a chance to be an Oiler?

    Why didn’t the dog bark?

    OP told us Marody, Benson and Yamamoto would crush the AHL but they turned out to be hugely deficient.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Georgexs: How well does AHL performance predict NHL success? For forwards?

    Why didn’t Marody make the team? Does he still have a chance to be an Oiler?

    I don’t know the answer to your first question.

    I spoke a bit to the second above as well.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Why didn’t the dog bark?

    OP told us Marody, Benson and Yamamoto would crush the AHL but they turned out to be hugely deficient.

    Rich

  139. Georgexs says:

    Harpers Hair: Why didn’t the dog bark?

    OP told us Marody, Benson and Yamamoto would crush the AHL but they turned out to be hugely deficient.

    Hugely deficient? Yamamoto?

    Yamamoto is a first rounder. He was going to get chances, even after striking out the first couple of seasons he was here.

    Benson is a second rounder, and someone else’s second rounder. Rope is shorter, odds are longer. LT is right. He’s going to have to show something soon. Very well could happen. Things looked bleak for Yamamoto until they definitely didn’t. Holland was content to wait a while on Bertuzzi in DET. He was a second rounder. Tippett had nice encouraging things to say about Benson too. Good signs.

    Marody is someone else’s someone else’s late rounder. Longest odds. Tippett uses “good pro” to describe guys like Sheahan and Archibald and late career Gagner. Getting a career started is very, very tough for guys like Marody. Don’t know if it’s a deficient thing. Harder to stand out without pedigree, harder to stay confident.

  140. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide: My wish is that we don’t enter into discussions that last the entire thread that turn into political cross talk. The other night there was an awesome discussion of old bands/clubs in Edmonton but you have to wade through miles of political stuff.

    Religion and politics. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Trust me. So, I’m fine with educational or opinions that don’t involve name calling or suggesting one side or the other is run by dipshits.

    Religion, politics & fashion…all run by dipshits. HELL, they are everywhere so, yes, no need for name calling.
    As for hockey, can we at least buy out our buyouts? Gryba, Pouliot, Sekera etc. There’s some more wasted money that would help reveal our balance photo (TM).
    One more thing on my mind…playoffs. It sure would have been nice to get some playoffs in so that next year, when the Oilers get in again, we can say that they made it to the playoffs 2 years in a row. When is the last time that happened? 2001 was a long time ago…

  141. BONE207 says:

    This is one I have to try. Thanks…I’ll send one along soon.

  142. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    For what it’s worth, as a Canadian residing in the US, I really appreciate all the information the Lowetide community provides on COVID developments in Canada. You are learned screeners of generally insightful information gathered from a variety of sources. Much appreciated that I can get that info along with all my Oilers content. Plus Edmonton night clubs from the 80’s. Truly nostalgic stuff. A special corner of the internet. Thank you all.

  143. N64 says:

    Part time local reservists scouts in a remote area drawing 12 days annual pay?

    “What is the time commitment for being a Canadian Ranger?
    This varies from community to community. Many Canadian Rangers fulfil their military commitments while engaged in personal activities such as fishing or hunting”

  144. N64 says:

    You can see how scout revervists might be useful when remote groups are receiving financial assistance to social distance by living on the land

    https://aptnnews.ca/2020/03/30/feds-to-pay-people-to-be-on-the-land-to-fight-covid-19-in-n-w-t/

  145. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: After a fine playing career with Edmonton, an impressive coaching run in the early part of the century, Craig MacTavish made perhaps his most important contribution to the Oilers as GM in 2014. The drafting of Draisaitl

    https://theathletic.com/1722350/2020/04/04/lowetide-craig-mactavishs-most-important-oilers-moment-picking-leon-draisaitl/

  146. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I put part culpability on McLellan as well.

    While I think Strome did fine as a 3C – it created a very low event line as he had middling wingers at best (and I felt he was a plus passer in the offensive zone), McLellan failed to use the asset at 1/2 RW.

    He played two games with McDavid in exhibition, scored a goal, and then was never seen in the top 6 again – it was wild.

    There is every chance that Strome could be a 1/2RW on this team (and Kassian could be properly slotted as a plus 3rd line player).

    Leave Kassian alone.
    If Strome were here right now he would be 3C. Not 1RW.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Leave Kassian alone.
    If Strome were here right now he would be 3C. Not 1RW.

    Pardon?

    It was very curious that Strome didn’t get any at bats as a winger in the op 6 during his tenure as an Oiler.

    Strome was traded for a “scoring winger” when he was almost undoubtedly a better scoring winger than the player traded for.

  148. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Pardon?

    It was very curious that Strome didn’t get any at bats as a winger in the op 6 during his tenure as an Oiler.

    Strome was traded for a “scoring winger” when he was almost undoubtedly a better scoring winger than the player traded for.

    What didn’t you understand about my post?
    Left wing is the problem on Mcdavids line, not Kassian.
    Why are you even talking about Spooner? You seem confused.

  149. Ribs says:

    This sounds like a lot of fun!

  150. Ribs says:

    Seconded!

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