Top Dead Center

Ken Holland invested two second-round picks at the deadline in Andreas Athanasiou. I believe, in a real way, AA could be the replacement for Jesse Puljujarvi. What kind of player is Athanasiou?

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Athanasiou is a fast train, who is also skilled with size (6.02, 188). Per 82 games in the NHL, he has scored 23-19-42. He scored 30 goals in 2018-19, I tried to find a dominant five on five line but he was all over the place. He played 128 minutes with Luke Glendening and Darren Helm, going 44 percent shot differential and 5-7 goals. Spent 96 minutes with Frans Nielsen and Thomas Vanek, but shot differential (45 percent) and goals (3-5) were nothing special.

He scored 21 goals at five on five in a season where his most common center was Luke Glendening. What do we do with that? Does he need a righty center? Did we not get enough sample in those 9 games?

I wrote about Athanasiou and all of the Oilers free agents today at The Athletic. I look at the big winger as being a key item in observing Ken Holland’s team building over the summer. If AA is in fact (as I believe) the new JP, then trading Puljujarvi for picks gets the team back to something resembling a full arsenal of draft picks.

I think AA’s contract, dealing Puljujarvi for picks, and Ethan Bear’s deal will be the major internal roster stories of the club this summer.

CONDORS EVEN STRENGTH ON ICE GOAL DIFFERENTIAL (BLUE)

First, the overall numbers:

  1. Jake Kulevich 44 games, 26-21 (+5)
  2. William Lagesson 25 games, 25-23 (+2)
  3. Joel Persson 27 games, 24-26 (-2)
  4. Caleb Jones 14 games, 11-16 (-5)
  5. Dmitri Samorukov 47 games, 28-34 (-6)
  6. Keegan Lowe 56 games, 39-48 (-9)
  7. Evan Bouchard 54 games, 41-51 (-10)
  8. Brandon Manning 21 games, 9-24 (-15)
  9. Logan Day 48 games, 25-41 (-16)

Now, let’s run those numbers again from December 29 through the end of the season:

  1. Jake Kulevich 27 games, 15-12 (+3)
  2. Keegan Lowe 28 games, 25-23 (+2)
  3. Evan Bouchard 26 games, 22-22 (0)
  4. Joel Persson 15 games, 14-16 (-2)
  5. Dmitri Samorukov 21 games, 13-17 (-4)
  6. Logan Day 26 games, 13-21 (-8)

Evan Bouchard’s second half was a revelation and I do think the number one takeaway. I don’t know that Ken Holland will move out players to clear the way for him, but Bouchard is going to push his way to the NHL and right soon.

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  1. dustrock says:

    Do you have Larsson and Bear as the top 2 RHD and have Bouchard try to beat out Benning?

    Bear was a revelation, but we all know some bears that can go a bit non-linear.

    Will he be the same quality next year?

  2. dessert1111 says:

    Kulevich has had decent reports as a guy who spent some time in the ECHL to being a full time AHLer. I wonder if someone will offer him an NHL deal. Probably won’t be the Oilers, but he seems like better depth than Logan Day if they are choosing between them.

  3. hunter1909 says:

    Methinks AA needs more time to figure out how best fit in. Thats what Holland knows also.

    Oilers should return to the NHL a powerhouse: with improved defence and McDrai continuing to shock and awe.

  4. Lowetide says:

    dustrock:
    Do you have Larsson and Bear as the top 2 RHD and have Bouchard try to beat out Benning?

    Bear was a revelation, but we all know some bears that can go a bit non-linear.

    Will he be the same quality next year?

    Even if Bear falters, Bouchard and Benning aren’t going to be solutions for top pairing work next season.

  5. hunter1909 says:

    dustrock:
    Do you have Larsson and Bear as the top 2 RHD and have Bouchard try to beat out Benning?

    Bear was a revelation, but we all know some bears that can go a bit non-linear.

    Will he be the same quality next year?

    As long as they don’t overpay him, he’s gold.

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Even if Bear falters, Bouchard and Benning aren’t going to be solutions for top pairing work next season.

    Of course not but either one could turn up and blow the doors off at camp and instantly improve the team, kind of like how Boston does things.

  7. Rondo says:

    Hope it’s true

    “This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus (VIDEO)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/this-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic-dr-stephen-smith-announces-hydroxy-choloroquine-study-that-is-game-changer-in-battle-against-coronavirus-video/

  8. krakman says:

    Rondo,

    We all hope this is true but this is a website that also has this headline

    Police Shut Down Hobby Lobby Stores in Midwest After Stores Remain Open in Defiance of Coronavirus Lockdown — Moms with Children Hurt the Most

    So take it with a big grain of salt and also think of all the moms with no children!

  9. blainer says:

    Rondo:
    Hope it’s true

    “This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus (VIDEO)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/this-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic-dr-stephen-smith-announces-hydroxy-choloroquine-study-that-is-game-changer-in-battle-against-coronavirus-video/

    I would recommend you should start reading other sites. I would suggest you drop the state media which is Foxx and would also recommend you not read CNN. Try to find a source that is not politically connected to reporting and in there you will find something closer to what is real. JMO

  10. Rondo says:

    Bloomberg article refers to Chinese study and 15 people take only hydroxychloroquine. Doctors here are using hydroxychloroquine with Zpack and Zinc.

  11. Rondo says:

    The story is about the doctor not the site. Check the doctor out. You people are so reflective, you see it’s from fox or Trump and it must be a lie. In fact you’re hoping it’s not true. People get so invested in their opinion and cheer for it. Smart people change their minds a lot because they are open to new data. None of us should get stuck on a prior position.

  12. blainer says:

    Woke up this morning..

    Got No emails..
    Got No staff bothering me..
    Got No soliciting..
    Got No purchasing to do
    Got No phone calls..
    Got No messages ..

    Got NO problems..

    Is this what retirement is like. Kinda boring being isolated though !!

    Special shout out to those who recommended Chernobyl. Really enjoyed it.

    And sign Bear for 8 years please.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Rondo: Smart people change their minds a lot because they are open to new data.

    Not when the data flat out stinks they don’t.

  14. Rondo says:

    How would you know? Do you know more than this Doctor, or the French study , or the Doctor that treated 700 patient with this cocktail and the FDA ( which is permitting emergency use of this cocktail.?

  15. who says:

    hunter1909: Of course not but either one could turn up and blow the doors off at camp and instantly improve the team, kind of like how Boston does things.

    Do you really think Benning is “going to blow the doors off” at camp? If so, why?

  16. Spartacus says:

    Rondo,

    Any way we can just discuss hockey?

    Can you post your discoveries on the Fox news comment boards?

    Can we have one refuge from the constant barrage of coronavirus “news”?

    Please?

  17. buck yoakam says:

    ok for all of you folks that were around big e and enjoying the night life in the eighties and nineties other than country clubs (that were basically meat markets) with were your favourite venues for music?…my choices are
    #1 Andantes (sean and fiona had an amazing little club that really featured local artists) I think the next act is there now?
    #2 The Sidetrack (quality venue with renowned and local acts)
    #3 The good old blues on white …need I say more
    #4 The Boiler lounge
    #5 Railtown
    #6 Billy Buds
    #7 The Executive Hotel (the fellow who ran that place at the time brought in some great talent , saw the lincolns there)
    #8 There was a little club on the corner of white and 104 just down from the commie and I can’t
    for the life of me remember the name (it changed hands quite a few times)
    #9 The Yardbird Suite (great for music but shhhhh! we are creating here!)
    #10 The Inn on Whyte

    I know I’m forgetting some and I apologize for that. As my wife and I are doing isolation renovation out on the east coast my mind wanders (not that is anything unusual)…be well!

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    A ray of hope.

    The University of Pittsburgh has developed a potential vaccine.

    They hope to fast track clinical trials.

    https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-scientists-say-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-fast-tracked-after-key-animal-testing/

  19. elgruntus says:

    The Highway Motor Inn. Great for hard rock. Saw Nazareth, Headpins, Kick Axe, White Wolf (several dozen times), Pretty Rough and a very cool Manitoba band, Orphan

    Hotel bars had some great music. The Beverly Crest, The Rex, The Capilano, Londonderry Hotel and of course, The Riv Rock Room

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    While I think most of us were a little under-whelmed with AA’s performance as an Oiler, I cannot get on board with those positing that the trade was a bust. Are those opinions being based on the 9 game sample size? If they were opinions at the time of the trade, sure, I get that, but if they are opinions that changed due to the 9 game sample size, well, I think we’ve all learned something about making decisions based on small sample sizes.

    At the time of the trade, I posted trepidation about AA being “McDavid’s winger” as I don’t think pure speed is necessary to gel on McDavid’s wing and I think its more about positioning, hockey IQ and knowing where to be and when to get there.

    With that said, the player has big speed and legit skill – you don’t score 30 in the NHL and average 23 per 82 (including down and up seasons) without skill.

    Would most trade two 2nd rounders for 23G and 50P for a fast player that is 25 and will cost $3M next year?

    I would think generally yes and there is a chance for increased numbers given the potential for playing with higher end linemates.

    ——————

    With respect to his 9 game performance, well, even taking away the fact he was injured in his second game and we don’t know if that effected the rest of the sample, he was also coming from playing out the string on one of the worst teams of the generation to being plastered in to an intense race – that’s tough.

    Yes, that is an excuse but sometimes excuses are real.

    Pretending that we’ll have a normal off-season and training camp – I think an AA with the mindset of being an Oiler and the season coming up being real, having a training camp with Coach T and his staff, learning the structure and finding some chemistry will be important and set the player up for success.

    Not to mention, Coach T learning the player, how to motivate him and how to deploy him – those are Coach T skills that will also help.

    Go Andreas!

  21. Rondo says:

    Guess his credentials don’t match yours.

    Stephen M. Smith, M.D.
    EDUCATION:

    1985 A.B. – Duke University

    Dr. Stephen M Smith
    1989 M.D. – Yale University School of Medicine

    https://www.smithcenternj.org/about-our-doctors/

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Evan Bouchard’s second half was a revelation and I do think the number one takeaway. I don’t know that Ken Holland will move out players to clear the way for him, but Bouchard is going to push his way to the NHL and right soon.”

    —————–

    This is it, right here.

    I agree that Ken Holland does NOT need to “open up a spot” for Bouchard.

    I am just fine with only Rusty gone and no other change to the defence landing Bouchard at 1RD in the Bake to start the season.

    There is nothing wrong with that and Bouchard will almost assuredly crush the AHL in October and, when the call comes, and its likely to come early (in October), he will get his NHL shot and probably never see the Bake again.

    The at bats will be there and I think we are all excited given the top shelf development he showed from October to March in Bakersfield.

    He improved his gap control, his speed and urgency on puck retrieval, his defensive zone battle (as Woody likes to say “proximity to his check”, etc.

    He skated the puck out of the zone in the AHL, Darnell Nurse style – nope, his skating isn’t anywhere near Nurse’s level but he does have that skill in addition to the lovely transition pass.

    This old-man kid is going to be something.

  23. Harpers Hair says:

    buck yoakam,

    The Grinder on 124 ST hosted some fabulous blues acts.

  24. hunter1909 says:

    who: Do you really think Benning is “going to blow the doors off” at camp? If so, why?

    No, not Benning lol

    To me, Benning is like Yamamoto was. Show something or piss off back to wherever you came from. Yamamoto came though like a champion.

    I meant Bouchard, and the other raw rookie defencemen.

  25. VanIsleOil says:

    Spent far too much time in the Eighties frequenting these Edmonton venues:

    Denny Andrew’s
    Barry T’s,- Oiler hang out
    Goose Loonies- WEM at work
    Dancing Shoes
    Scandals -New wavy
    Club Malibu- cheesy
    Fast Eddy’s – Moroz at night
    Cheers, Beverly Crest
    Limelight- Slimelight
    CI South
    Prime Time
    The Hovel
    Tin Lizzies
    Purple Onion
    Gas Pump- Cougarville

    Ahhh, to be young and spend your money frivolously….

  26. buck yoakam says:

    elgruntus,

    thats right ! spent many a night at the riviera back when it held about 4- 500 folks…remember seeing great canadian river race and witness incorporated there (kenny shields) also played there in many different configurations…the Corona Hotel also

  27. meanashell11 says:

    Geez, all these old haunts. I lived in Edmonton from 1981-86. It was a fun town! What was the name of the Chinese place where everyone went for dim sum on Sundays?

  28. Spartacus says:

    Rondo,

    So that’s a no?

  29. VanIsleOil says:

    Riv Rock Room…saw Teenage Head, 999,Darkroom,Pointed Sticks, Strange Advance etc. Was a great place for a few years. Lots of Canadian content. Then for hangovers, off to Barb and Ernie’s for the best Eggs Benny.(real butter and white wine in their Hollandaise and massive, thick rounds of ham…to die for!)

  30. Spartacus says:

    buck yoakam,

    California Pizza on 118th Ave would sell beer to minors on a consistent basis.

    Great place.

  31. Cassandra says:

    Rondo:
    The story is about the doctor not the site. Check the doctor out. You people are so reflective, you see it’s from foxor Trump and it must be a lie. In fact you’re hoping it’s not true. People get so invested in their opinion and cheer for it. Smart people change their minds a lot because they are open to new data. None of us should get stuck on a prior position.

    This wins today’s unintentional irony award.

    Doubling down on their opinion in the face of evidence and reasons is the primary characteristic of Trump supporters. They are incapable of changing their positions or doing anything but repeating mantras. This is how bizzare the world has become. The people who are least capable of something resembling critical thought think that they are the only ones engaging in critical thought.

    And note this has nothing to do with politics or policy. it doesn’t mean the other side, whoever they are is right. It has to do with reasonableness, and the ability to distinguishing between when someone is being reasonable (which is not the same as being correct) and when they are not.

    I say this as someone who is, in many way, a conservative. The embrace of Trump, and the abuse of reason and discourse he represents, is a disgrace.

  32. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    buck yoakam,

    I liked the A-circuit cover band scene in mid to late 80’s. Names are fading, but bands like Click, Winterkill, Nick Danger put on great shows. Back then, my buddies were playing b-circuit metal (all spandex and eye liner… I played in a 50’s show band).

    Southside Pub
    Fantasy One (before the Terrace Inn closed it to become a ballroom).

    Dishonourable mention to the Homesteader in Vegasville (would go on trips to catch friends playing out there, played the room once or twice in the 50’s band)

    Later on my fave haunt was the Sidetrack.

    For a while, the Cromdale had a blues room open there. Played there once in “Hugh Jorgan” (i might still have that clipping from the Journal). Crowd was single digits, mostly folks who were kicked out of the country bar.

  33. Spartacus says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Did we learn a lesson with Ryan Strome?

    A hint of patience with that player would really have paid off.

    If he’d been given a moment to settle in, we’d have had a very capable 3rd line center.

    Same goes for AA.

    Give him a moment to unpack his bags before putting him back on the bus, or throwing him under it.

  34. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Long weekend Sundays the Sidetrack was always packed! Miss that place!

  35. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    meanashell11,

    Golden Dragon?

  36. meanashell11 says:

    On Whyte Ave? If so, yes I think.

  37. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    meanashell11,

    Golden Dragon was on 97th. Can’t remember the name of the one on Whyte

  38. pts2pndr says:

    If it seems too good to be true it probably is. Hope is a beautiful thing you are being cautioned to stay the course with distancing. There is nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic.

  39. deardylan says:

    Rev and Rebar and Raves in the early 90s. #Alivemonton

  40. defmn says:

    VanIsleOil:
    Spent far too much time in theEighties frequenting these Edmonton venues:

    The Hovel

    Ahhh, to be young and spend your money frivolously….

    The Hovel closed in 1977. I used to run the bar there on Thursday night when Steve Boddington, The Rault Brothers etc. were mainstays. Thursday night was the night that paid all the bills for the high end talent they brought in every Friday/Saturday night when The Hovel was the only venue between Toronto and Vancouver booking big name acts.

    Its successor ‘The Riverdale Boogie and Sporting Society’ continued as best we could after the city of Edmonton pulled the lease on The Hovel after they spent all their money renovating their new location on Jasper and Ninth. I think the biggest name we ever booked would be kd lang.

    I was at the Kingsway the night they shut it down. A riot that lasted several hours. The cops showed up, took one look and locked the doors so nobody could get out. That was exciting. The Rebels and the Bouncers against the 1,200 – 1,500 people that were there that night. When I went back to take a look a week later there were 7 people in the bar with three of them playing music. The fiddle player was in his 70’s and the youngest member of the band.

    It was a great time to be young. 😉

  41. buck yoakam says:

    maybe the peking kitchen?

  42. buck yoakam says:

    was the hovel above keen craft on jasper and 109th? I agree a fair number of cats cut their teeth there

  43. defmn says:

    buck yoakam:
    was the hovel above keen craft on jasper and 109th? I agree a fair number of cats cut their teeth there

    Southwest corner when it was a two story and the hovel had the top floor with the cargo bay opening onto the railway. Not sure what was below.

  44. Oil2Oilers says:

    I finally cancelled my sports package on my cable the other day, I am more likely to cut cable all together than add sports back once play resumes.

    If my actions are illustrative of larger trends, live Sports exceptionalism in the era of declining broadcast TV and the resulting growth of TV revenue for sports leagues maybe be broken. This will have long term Cap implications beyond the current blip on lost revenue.

  45. N64 says:

    Rondo,

    Everything needs to be tested and will be tested. The smart money is on all of the above being applied more and more to see what what we have. It’s not just about what got someone excited behind a microphone. But yes that particular one is on everyone’s safety and effectiveness test lists:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments

  46. buck yoakam says:

    ok for sure. the original keen craft music store was on the main floor

  47. tileguy says:

    Anybody remember the Roost? I’m thinking not.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: This wins today’s unintentional irony award.

    Doubling down on their opinion in the face of evidence and reasons is the primary characteristic of Trump supporters.They are incapable of changing their positions or doing anything but repeating mantras.This is how bizzare the world has become.The people who are least capable of something resembling critical thought think that they are the only ones engaging in critical thought.

    And note this has nothing to do with politics or policy.it doesn’t mean the other side, whoever they are is right.It has to do with reasonableness, and the ability to distinguishing between when someone is being reasonable (which is not the same as being correct) and when they are not.

    I say this as someone who is, in many way, a conservative.The embrace of Trump, and the abuse of reason and discourse he represents, is a disgrace.

    Nice touch calling yourself “conservative” lol

  49. Harpers Hair says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    I finally cancelled my sports package on my cable the other day, I am more likely to cut cable all together than add sports back once play resumes.

    If my actions are illustrative of larger trends, live Sports exceptionalism in the era of declining broadcast TV and the resulting growth of TV revenue for sports leagues maybe be broken. This will have long term Cap implications beyond the current blip on lost revenue.

    Cut cable a month ago…haven’t missed it at all.

    I added Sportsnet Now to watch the rest of the hockey season but only paid for a month.

    If you’re an Amazon Prime customer you can add channels for $14 month which gives you Global and a bunch of others like History, National Geographic and others.

    CBC is free through their Gem app.

    We stream everything through Apple TV …saving more than $100/ month.

  50. defmn says:

    tileguy:
    Anybody remember the Roost? I’m thinking not.

    I do. I put myself through my undergraduate degree driving taxi. The Roost and its predecessor the Flashback were regular stops.

  51. jp says:

    Rondo: “This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus

    Is this the same “Steve Smith” who used to frequent Lowetide?

  52. N64 says:

    Vaccine fast track likely means 2021. One vaccine is in phase 1 testing. Also multiple drugs in compassionate and experimental use with a few in phase 3:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/19/an-updated-guide-to-the-coronavirus-drugs-and-vaccines-in-development/

  53. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: The Hovel closed in 1977. I used to run the bar there on Thursday night when Steve Boddington, The Rault Brothers etc. were mainstays. Thursday night was the night that paid all the bills for the high end talent they brought in every Friday/Saturday night when The Hovel was the only venue between Toronto and Vancouver booking big name acts.

    Its successor ‘The Riverdale Boogie and Sporting Society’ continued as best we could after the city of Edmonton pulled the lease on The Hovel after they spent all their money renovating their new location on Jasper and Ninth. I think the biggest name we ever booked would be kd lang.

    I was at the Kingsway the night they shut it down. A riot that lasted several hours. The cops showed up, took one look and locked the doors so nobody could get out. That was exciting. The Rebels and the Bouncers against the 1,200 – 1,500 people that were there that night. When I went back to take a look a week later there were 7 people in the bar with three of them playing music. The fiddle player was in his 70’s and the youngest member of the band.

    It was a great time to be young.

    Was a regular at the Hovel back in the day…some great acts…Hot Cottage comes tp mind.

  54. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Was a regular at the Hovel back in the day…some great acts…Hot Cottage comes tp mind.

    Hot Cottage was Steve Boddington’s band. The parties after we closed for the night are the stuff of legends.

  55. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair:
    A ray of hope.

    The Universityof Pittsburgh has developed a potential vaccine.

    They hope to fast track clinical trials.

    https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-scientists-say-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-fast-tracked-after-key-animal-testing/

    I think all of the more than 40 possible vaccines already in the works are hoping to fast track.

    We have a crap record at creating vaccines that can defeat viruses, but 40+ is a worthy number of dice rolls. Fingers crossed.

  56. Rondo says:

    Haha

  57. N64 says:

    Huge effort need to evaluate and test many drug candidates for safety and effectiveness to have a better tool box in our hospitals by Fall. #NotAboutAnyonesFavs

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/former-fda-chief-scott-gottlieb-coronavirus-drug-needed-by-fall.html

  58. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo,

    https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764199/use-hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-during-covid-19-pandemic-what-every-clinician

    While there is some anecdotal evidence the studies so far are incredibly flawed. On top of that there’s been a run on hydroxychloroquine meaning the people with proven benefit aka arthritis patients aren’t going to get it.
    You can find a doctor out there that can say anything. What you are looking for is societal consensus from evaluating much better data that should be coming in weeks. Until then nothing changes.

  59. N64 says:

    Exactly. The promising thing this time was how quickly multiple current tech platforms could design and select from candidates. Safety testing and effictiveness testing still need to benefit from new approaches. You can’t cut the number of iterations to hit safety and effectiveness. But maybe they can pool knowledge (with so much other bioresearch sidelined) and decrease time per iteration.

  60. leadfarmer says:

    Munny: I think all of the more than 40 possible vaccines already in the works are hoping to fast track.

    We have a crap record at creating vaccines that can defeat viruses, but 40+ is a worthy number of dice rolls.Fingers crossed.

    I’m worried that in the race to make a vaccine we will pick one that doesn’t work that well that will give everyone a false sense of security

  61. N64 says:

    No. Our “Steve Smith” could represent any “Steve Smith”s that botches safety studies or sells the arthritis drug to their friends.

  62. Munny says:

    defmn: Hot Cottage was Steve Boddington’s band. The parties after we closed for the night are the stuff of legends.

    Which brings up the next section… Best After Hours places in the Edmonton night life:

    1. For dancing… originally Flashbacks and after it closed The Roost
    2. Yiannis Taverna basement lounge and later the Greek Businessman’s Club (near The Sidetrack)
    3. The Boiler
    4. And if you couldn’t find an after hours party but needed a beer at 3am… Holiday Pizza by Bonnie Doon (I think that’s what its name was)
    5. And for straight up late night food—I won’t get this name right— South China Seafood Palace.

  63. N64 says:

    While we hunt for safe vaccine antigens another track is a one month antibody initially for healthcare workers and the most vulnerable and that doubles as an early treatment. Would take off a lot of that pressure and buy a lot of time if doable.

  64. elgruntus says:

    buck yoakam,

    Ah Witness Inc. Still have the 45 of Harlem Lady

  65. defmn says:

    Munny: Which brings up the next section… Best After Hours places in the Edmonton night life:

    1.For dancing… originally Flashbacks and after it closed The Roost
    2. Yiannis Taverna basement lounge and later the Greek Businessman’s Club (near The Sidetrack)
    3. The Boiler
    4.And if you could find nowhere but needed a beer at 3a… Holiday Pizza by Bonnie Doon (I think that’s what its nae was)
    5. And for straight up late night food—I won’t get this name right— South China Seafood Palace.

    A lot of old fogies on this blog. 😉

  66. Munny says:

    Well that’s why they will all have to go through trials first.

    But yes there is still a risk there.

  67. defmn says:

    Finally we have completed our 14 days of self incarceration. It wasn’t that big a deal but I am looking forward to getting out and taking care of a few things.

  68. unca miltie says:

    In the seventies, The Stage Door in the Edmonton Plaza Hotel. I actually had a charge account at the hotel that i paid monthly. In 1979 Sept. had my last drink.

  69. yeraslob says:

    For sure. People are uploading videos on youtube of empty hospitals in NYC, the supposed epicenter of this pandemic. What’s going on…?

  70. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    With a little patience we could have potentially had a third line of:

    AA – Strome – JP

    That would be a load.

  71. yeraslob says:

    Ditto for Trudeau

  72. N64 says:

    Hah. Just saw a “There has been a critical error on your website” message on this site.

    ~ It did not mention which poster made the critical error. ~

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Do you have Larsson and Bear as the top 2 RHD and have Bouchard try to beat out Benning?

    Bear was a revelation, but we all know some bears that can go a bit non-linear.

    Will he be the same quality next year?

    He may suffer a sophomore slump but he could be even better.

    Potential reasons to be better (off the top of my head):

    – He was an NHL rookie at 22 last season – years from his prime and still developing. Natural progression

    – He play top 4 minutes all year and often first pairing minutes – he did so with Larsson hurt for 2 months so his “help in the top 4″ was often Joel Persson or Kris Russell. With a healthy Larsson, he should have help in the top 6”

    – If we want to talk offensive production, well, he had limited PP time, in particular PP1 time. Tough to move Klef off that unit given how dominant it was on a whole and Bouchard will likely be in the conversation but one could see him with more PP time.

    Development is not a straight line, as you say and as we know, however, while he may take a step back or still be a bit inconsistent, on the whole, he’s likely to improve year over year for a bit still.

  74. NicaOil says:

    I was in res at the UofA fall of 1973 first year and my roomie Mike Zotoff had a Morris car from England, don’t ask. We would leave res and drive over the hi-level to the Kingsway, what a bad ass bar, biggest in Edmonton by far. We would score hashish, acid, mda, mesc right in the front rows in front of the band and have a few beers and head back in that cold weather. Good times in our town.

  75. Spartacus says:

    tileguy,

    Haha… there’s a pizza place in Inuvik called the Roost.

    Always makes me smile to hear someone say the name.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Some issues (as you can imagine) it might take a couple of days to get back to normal. Thanks for your patience.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    TSN had a panel to vote for the major awards:

    https://www.tsn.ca/history-suggests-nhl-awards-for-2019-20-season-will-be-distributed-1.1462822

    Only unanimous was Drai for Hart.

    They also had:

    Makar for Calder

    Josi for Norris

    Hellebuyuk for Vezina

    Cassidy for J. Adams

    Ferarro, Poulin, Noodles, Button and M. Johnson with the votes

  78. Reja says:

    Munny: Which brings up the next section… Best After Hours places in the Edmonton night life:

    1.For dancing… originally Flashbacks and after it closed The Roost
    2. Yiannis Taverna basement lounge and later the Greek Businessman’s Club (near The Sidetrack)
    3. The Boiler
    4.And if you couldn’t find an after hours party but needed a beer at 3am… Holiday Pizza by Bonnie Doon (I think that’s what its name was)
    5. And for straight up late night food—I won’t get this name right— South China Seafood Palace.

    Sugars downtown open well past 3am for the bad boy Esk’s, Oilers and general population.

  79. Lowetide says:

    First two Vancouver Island deaths reported. Be safe, DSF. Watch over Noreen Lodge, too.

  80. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    First two Vancouver Island deaths reported. Be safe, DSF. Watch over Noreen Lodge, too.

    Thanks so much.

    We’ve been pretty much in isolation for three weeks now.

    My wife has serious COPD so is very vulnerable.

    Haven’t seen Noreen for quite some time but ran into Bruce (can’t recall his last name) the CFRN tech guy a few weeks back.

    Edit: Bruce Bedford.

  81. yeraslob says:

    I’m thinking this break will maybe help Bear in terms of what it takes to get through the grind of a full season. Fatigue was a definite factor for the team in certain stretches, one in particular. He could put in another summer of solid work. In fact, getting an early jump on off season training as it looks like no hockey til Fall.
    So yes, he could be even better.

  82. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar:– He play top 4 minutes all year and often first pairing minutes – he did so with Larsson hurt for 2 months so his “help in the top 4″ was often Joel Persson or Kris Russell.With a healthy Larsson, he should have help in the top 6”

    Feels like you’ve cross-posted some thoughts on Caleb Jones into a post about Ethan Bear?

  83. defmn says:

    Just back from the first time out of our condo since we got back from Palm Springs. The only thing I could think of as we were walking through downtown Calgary is that it is too bad that we overused the word ‘surreal’ so much in the last decade that it isn’t there for us in its real sense now that it is the most appropriate word to describe what a town of over a million people looks like when the streets are basically deserted.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: Feels like you’ve cross-posted some thoughts on Caleb Jones into a post about Ethan Bear?

    Don’t think so but i maybe wasn’t clear with my point.

    The point I was trying to make is that Bear played a ton of 1RD (he had the most TOI/G vs. elites) and he often did so with little help in the top 4 – when Larsson was hurt, he was a shiny new rookie playing 1RD with either Rusty or Persson playing 2RD behind him.

    Extrapolating from that, he’d be better if he had a healthy Larsson taking some of those tough comp minutes and providing better cover in the pairing below him.

  85. albertaboundedmonton says:

    Add Kenney to this list.

  86. Glovjuice says:

    NicaOil:
    I was in res at the UofA fall of 1973 first year and my roomie Mike Zotoff had a Morris car from England, don’t ask.We would leave res and drive over the hi-level to the Kingsway, what a bad ass bar, biggest in Edmonton by far.We would score hashish, acid, mda, mesc right in the front rows in front of the band and have a few beers and head back in that cold weather. Good times in our town.

    This is gorgeous and beautiful and epic. I’m in the 1.5 generations later but, wow, does this town ever need an epic, ‘recent historical fiction’ novel written about it centred around art, music, and life from about the early sixties to about the late nineties.

  87. Harpers Hair says:

    Glovjuice: This is gorgeous and beautiful and epic. I’m in the 1.5 generations later but, wow, does this town ever need an epic, ‘recent historical fiction’ novel written about it centred around art, music, and life from about the early sixties to about the late nineties.

    Nothing of note happened in the 90’s.

    But this happened in 1972.

    https://writingonmusic.com/2018/09/22/procol-harum-in-canada-the-making-of-procol-harum-live-in-concert-with-the-edmonton-symphony-orchestra/

    I was there…sitting beside Carly Simon.

    James Taylor was in the row in front of me.

  88. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    That makes more sense now, thanks for clarifying. I was thrown off with the bit about KRusty and Persson, thinking that you were inferring that Bear was partnered with them and not Nurse.

    To your point about Larsson in the line up reducing his workload, perhaps. But perhaps that early in the season, game two onward, Coach T would have opted to play the veterans and older rookies more before elevating Bear. Tough to say.

    Call me optimistic, but I’d like to think that Bear is on the upward trajectory with a few things in his court gathering momentum. Improved off-season habits, more experience in the NHL (not to mention top-4 and time vs. elite QoC), and improved belief system aka confidence might lend well to sustained success.

    What would you want to see him extended at, and what do you think likely?

    I’d like to see 8 years at or below $4MM, but think a two-year bridge at about $3.25 more likely.

  89. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Nirvana say hello.

    As does the first Persian Gulf War.

  90. Harpers Hair says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    That makes more sense now, thanks for clarifying.I was thrown off with the bit about KRusty and Persson, thinking that you were inferring that Bear was partnered with them and not Nurse.

    To your point about Larsson in the line up reducing his workload, perhaps.But perhaps that early in the season, game two onward, Coach T would have opted to play the veterans and older rookies more before elevating Bear.Tough to say.

    Call me optimistic, but I’d like to think that Bear is on the upward trajectory with a few things in his court gathering momentum.Improved off-season habits, more experience in the NHL (not to mention top-4 and time vs. elite QoC), and improved belief system aka confidence might lend well to sustained success.

    What would you want to see him extended at, and what do you think likely?

    I’d like to see 8 years at or below $4MM, but think a two-year bridge at about $3.25 more likely.

    Given the current cap uncertainty, I doubt you will see any 8 year deals.

  91. Harpers Hair says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Nirvana say hello.

    As does the first Persian Gulf War.

    Was there shock and awe in Edmonton?

  92. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    A boy can still dare to dream.

  93. Calmerthanyouare says:

    I feel the same as you’ve posted here, plus there has to be a side benefit of him not going on an instant heater and costing more than we want him too. I was personally rooting for an average showing to keep the contract reasonable.

  94. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Undoubtedly. Specifically speaking, when locals marvelled at the machinations of grunge/rock geniuses Dave Grohl, Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic playing live in the flesh in front of an intimate crowd of about 100 lucky souls at The Bronx (10030 102 St) in good ol’ our town.

    https://www.livenirvana.com/concerts/91/91-03-05.php

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: Was there shock and awe in Edmonton?

    I don’t know much about shock and awe, but when I was growing up I was already a WW2 fan and used to worry terribly over reports of the German Army collapsing in Moscow, primarily due to the weather which according to all reports must have been the worst place on earth only to discover mucho later on that the Edmonton area has essentially the exact same(-40) climate. Without even so much as suspecting it, I’d been trudging to school in my very own version of the Russian Front all along.

  96. Harpers Hair says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    A boy can still dare to dream.

    It’s quite likely players are going to be seeking bridge deals rather than locking in to long term contracts that will limit their earnings down the road.

  97. maudite says:

    I’m just making fancy sandwiches, drinking beers, coffee whatever…chipping away at smart shit i would never have the time to do as speed out there is insane on those oil projects these days….maybe finally get caught up to point I can drown some people playing politics and driving narratives to detriment of actual logical progress out there…Finally having time to see if I can build a bat big enough to smash some weasels…All the while, in the background, just flipping vinyl records and working whenever whim strikes.

    This is a god send. I was ready to hit eject and go back to making next to nothing trying to figure out how to get completely severed from bullshit and just live in a van go where I like again.

    blainer:
    Woke up this morning..

    Got No emails..
    Got No staff bothering me..
    Got No soliciting..
    Got No purchasing to do
    Got No phone calls..
    Got No messages ..

    Got NO problems..

    Is this what retirement is like. Kinda boring being isolated though !!

    Special shout out to those who recommended Chernobyl. Really enjoyed it.

    And sign Bear for 8 years please.

  98. hunter1909 says:

    Glovjuice: This is gorgeous and beautiful and epic. I’m in the 1.5 generations later but, wow, does this town ever need an epic, ‘recent historical fiction’ novel written about it centred around art, music, and life from about the early sixties to about the late nineties.

    So far as I can figure, the most important bands to come out of Edmonton in the 1960s were The Nomads, Willy and the Walkers, and The King Beez.

    The Nomads were almost the original gold standard for Edmonton music, Willy and the Walkers tried very hard to make it big in the big bad world of show business USA, and the King Beez not only had a hit single or two but like the Rolling Stones added an element of cool to the scene.

    In no way am I an expert. Too young to have seen any of these bands. Opinion from available data only lol. There might be other bands just as important.

    ps: You want epic? Look no further than Alberta’s public radio station CKUA. CKUA was defining cutting edge music long before anyone else thought it was fashionable. CKUA is in fact a world class radio station.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    maudite: I was ready to hit eject and go back to making next to nothing trying to figure out how to get completely severed from bullshit and just live in a van go where I like again.

    Again? Have you ever lived out of a van for 6 months or more?

    I used to follow a few van dwellers on YouTube and even though it looks like fun you can see through the lines and at the end of the day you might have to spend 20 hours a day in a space the size of your bathroom. All the while dodging cops and civilians who don’t exactly cotton to strangers living out of vans in their neighborhood.

    In fact a lot of them end up simply drifting – from one Walmart parking lot to the next Walmart parking lot.

  100. jp says:

    leadfarmer: I’m worried that in the race to make a vaccine we will pick one that doesn’t work that well that will give everyone a false sense of security

    It will be interesting. I think with many countries (and companies within each) working on this there will be many many more options coming along behind the “one” that gets picked. I wonder actually if even in the US multiple vaccines get ~simultaneously approved since the need is so great. In any case, this isn’t a one and done situation, pretty sure. I expect there will be considerable coverage once there are any options.

  101. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    +1 for CKUA

  102. Melvis says:

    hunter1909,

    You forgot Painter. I was living in LA at the time. It was weird seeing an Edmonton band playing at the famed Whiskey A Go Go. I think Bob Ego still teaches drums. Some pics here:

    http://bobego.com/paintergallery.html

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    That makes more sense now, thanks for clarifying.I was thrown off with the bit about KRusty and Persson, thinking that you were inferring that Bear was partnered with them and not Nurse.

    To your point about Larsson in the line up reducing his workload, perhaps.But perhaps that early in the season, game two onward, Coach T would have opted to play the veterans and older rookies more before elevating Bear.Tough to say.

    Call me optimistic, but I’d like to think that Bear is on the upward trajectory with a few things in his court gathering momentum.Improved off-season habits, more experience in the NHL (not to mention top-4 and time vs. elite QoC), and improved belief system aka confidence might lend well to sustained success.

    What would you want to see him extended at, and what do you think likely?

    I’d like to see 8 years at or below $4MM, but think a two-year bridge at about $3.25 more likely.

    To your point about Larsson being in the lineup meaning he may not have been elevated – for sure, absolutely, for this past years.

    My post was in the context of if he’s going to decline, tread or improve next year and I’m speaking about having another legit top 4 RD to help him with those minutes next year. We know he’s a legit top 4 guy but, if/when he has another guy to reduce the responsibility for most of the year, that should help his game next year.

    Its really tough to talk contract numbers now give we have no great sense of where the cap will be next year or for the few years after.

    I think its going to be fairly flat for the next 4-5 years – it won’t go down next year but escrow will be high and the cap will stay flat over the next few years even though revenues increase (presumably) and the owners will get their share made up and the escrow reduces.

    Taking away the current landscape, if you were to ask me two months ago, I’d say yes, long term 6-8 years at no more than $4.25M or a short bridge around $2.5M.

  104. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: So far as I can figure, the most important bands to come out of Edmonton in the 1960s were The Nomads, Willy and the Walkers, and The King Beez.

    The Nomads were almost the original gold standard for Edmonton music, Willy and the Walkers tried very hard to make it big in the big bad world of show business USA, and the King Beez not only had a hit single or two but like the Rolling Stones added an element of cool to the scene.

    In no way am I an expert. Too young to have seen any of these bands. Opinion from available data only lol. There might be other bands just as important.

    ps: You want epic? Look no further than Alberta’s public radio station CKUA. CKUA was defining cutting edge music long before anyone else thought it was fashionable. CKUA is in fact a world class radio station.

    Worked at CKUA from 1969 to 2000.

    It is indeed a world class treasure and remains the best radio station in the world bar none.

    It was a pioneer from its inception in 1927 when a couple of U of A professors misappropriated research funds to build a clandestine radio station.

    The article I posted earlier about the Procol Harum concert mentions Holger Peterson who has been a driving force in the Edmonton music scene and continues to host the longest running blues show in Canadian history on Saturday afternoon.

    An Island neighbour of mine who I share a tipple with occasionally,, Terry David Mulligan, hosts Mulligan Stew every Saturday evening after Holger’s Natch’l Blues.

    If you love music…have a listen.

    Fun fact for Melvis….TDM had a role in McCabe and Mrs. Miller.

    And a note for others.

    CKUA is launching its subscriber drive this month and is having to do so totally online due the plague.

    Please help with a few bucks if you can.

  105. godot10 says:

    defmn:
    Just back from the first time out of our condo since we got back from Palm Springs. The only thing I could think of as we were walking through downtown Calgary is that it is too bad that we overused the word ‘surreal’ so much in the last decade that it isn’t there for us in its real sense now that it is the most appropriate word to describe what a town of over a million people looks like when the streets are basically deserted.

    Our world of Soylent Green morphed into The Omega Man seemingly overnight on New Year’s Eve.
    Awaiting the next twist into The Planet of the Apes.

  106. maudite says:

    Last time oil hit shit fan 2015 ish…long story but went north with older Ukraine ex boss to try sluice gold and fish or whatever…ended trying to work illegally at gold mine in alaska, drunk playing cards for money and odd jobbing dawson city…mainly just drinking though…eventually got sweet creeper party van. .lived kinda in it for just short of 4 months. Aas happy. Anywhere I went people kept trying to get me to stay and there was always some random job offer attached.

    Got a phone call for a fancy job again…wasnt looking. Still a lot of people that I knew were looking.. figured be probably dumb not to take it back up again…but been debating in head last 3 years if plan to explode rack out debt bury it somehow go tits up and just then flee to nicaragua in a proper livable van wasnt better idea.

    Maybe now is the time.
    hunter1909,

  107. Harpers Hair says:

    Melvis:
    hunter1909,

    You forgot Painter. I was living in LA at the time. It was weird seeing an Edmonton band playing at the famed Whiskey A Go Go.I think Bob Ego still teaches drums. Some pics here:

    http://bobego.com/paintergallery.html

    Painter was the illegitimate son of Wes Dakus and the Rebels.

    http://www.canadianbands.com/Wes%20Dakus.html

  108. jp says:

    Pretty sure I’m one of those who over used the word. You’re very right it’s the best descriptor of what’s going on these days.

  109. mumbai max says:

    Spartacus:
    tileguy,

    Haha… there’s a pizza place in Inuvik called the Roost.

    Always makes me smile to hear someone say the name.

    I opened a pizza place in Inuvik in 1975. It was called The Ravens Nest. Same place maybe?

  110. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I’ve been meaning to ask you for a while as your broadcasting credentials have been posted… any chance you know or worked with Ron McDonald who ran the newsroom at CKUA for some time? Probably 80s-90s ish?

  111. Melvis says:

    TDM? Did a bad interview with Lisa Dalbello that ended up on Good Rockin’ Tonight…I think. Memory fades here a bit. Could have been 90 Minutes With A Bullet or something Ralph Benmurgui was hosting at the time.

  112. NicaOil says:

    Yeah we were from the Cold Lake air base, Grand Center High and living in the big smoke. Lots of great hotel bars to hear bands and party, the beverly crest, the riviera on 50th, the londonderry, the capilano…what a time to be young and drinking in Alberta…no real rules about drinking and driving or hitting on the women!

  113. Harpers Hair says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    I’ve been meaning to ask you for a while as your broadcasting credentials have been posted… any chance you know or worked with Ron McDonald who ran the newsroom at CKUA for some time?Probably 80s-90s ish?

    The name is familiar but my memories of him are vague.

  114. defmn says:

    NicaOil:
    I was in res at the UofA fall of 1973 first year and my roomie Mike Zotoff had a Morris car from England, don’t ask.We would leave res and drive over the hi-level to the Kingsway, what a bad ass bar, biggest in Edmonton by far.We would score hashish, acid, mda, mesc right in the front rows in front of the band and have a few beers and head back in that cold weather. Good times in our town.

    So we have met. 😉

    That is where the Rebels set up every night at the Kingsway. Wild times. I’ve got a lot of stories from those days but probably most of them are less than appropriate for a public forum.

    The night they destroyed the place – even wiped out the entire beer cooler behind the bar – the band was asked to settle everybody down after the 12 o’clock cut off. So they came back out and announced that management had asked them to play a slow song to get everybody settled. They chose a little ditty they called ‘Baby let me Bang Your Box’.

    The next step was the 300 lb bouncer whose name I forget waded into the crowd in front of the band and grabbed a guy from behind. The guy never even looked, he came around swinging. I was about 5 feet away and I will never forget the look on his face when he realized who he had punched. Said bouncer had, of course, hit on every girl to ever enter that bar in the six months or so he had worked there and was just hated. When he went to hit the guy back somebody grabbed his arm and the riot was on. The Rebels had a deal with management that they could drink there as long as they didn’t start any trouble and helped the bouncers when they needed it and there were generally 20 or so of them in there every night.

    The place was pretty much destroyed. End of an era.

  115. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: So we have met.

    That is where the Rebels set up every night at the Kingsway. Wild times. I’ve got a lot of stories from those days but probably most of them are less than appropriate for a public forum.

    The night they destroyed the place – even wiped out the entire beer cooler behind the bar – the band was asked to settle everybody down after the 12 o’clock cut off. So they came back out and announced that management had asked them to play a slow song to get everybody settled. They chose a little ditty they called ‘Baby let me Bang Your Box’.

    The next step was the 300 lb bouncer whose name I forget waded into the crowd in front of the band and grabbed a guy from behind. The guy never even looked, he came around swinging. I was about 5 feet away and I will never forget the look on his face when he realized who he had punched. Said bouncer had, of course, hit on every girl to ever enter that bar in the six months or so he had worked there and was just hated. When he went to hit the guy back somebody grabbed his arm and the riot was on. The Rebels had a deal with management that they could drink there as long as they didn’t start any trouble and helped the bouncers when they needed it and there were generally 20 or so of them in there every night.

    The place was pretty much destroyed. End of an era.

    So many of us with six degrees of separation.

    I must have met you at the Hovel. I was always there.

  116. Harpers Hair says:

    Another Edmonton music legend who worked at CKUA and did it his way.

    https://www.gigcity.ca/2018/01/26/rip-tommy-banks-godfather-of-edmonton-music/

  117. NicaOil says:

    maudite,

    Come on down

  118. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: So many of us with six degrees of separation.

    I must have met you at the Hovel. I was always there.

    The Hovel was a special place for me when I was young. Andy Laskewski started it and was a good friend. After he disappeared into Asia and was gone for 6 or 7 years David Fustukian took over. He was a character in his own right. Chemist who held patents from NASA until he walked away.

    I knew Holger quite well, Tony Dillon Davis from CKUA, Peter North, Cam Hayden. I knew Tommy Banks as well from other things.

    This conversation is tweaking a lot of old memories.

    And, yes, you would know me.

  119. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis:
    hunter1909,

    You forgot Painter. I was living in LA at the time. It was weird seeing an Edmonton band playing at the famed Whiskey A Go Go.I think Bob Ego still teaches drums. Some pics here:

    http://bobego.com/paintergallery.html

    Painter the band were 100% from Calgary.

  120. N64 says:

    yeraslob:
    For sure.People are uploading videos on youtube of empty hospitals in NYC, the supposed epicenter of this pandemic.What’s going on…?

    #filmyourhospital blew up on twitter after a reporter questioned why it was so quiet in front of a Brooklyn hospital. Ironically this hospital:

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-bodies-loaded-onto-truck-outside-brooklyn-hospital/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/nyregion/coronavirus-brooklyn-hospital.html

    Of course every nut on the internet piled on with “simple questions” that completely debunk whatever they don’t like today.

    If they’re not finding simpler answers they’re probably too caught up in their own conceptions:

    @MeredithMarsha1 The hospitals have cut off visitors and elective procedures…of course parking lots are empty, that’s most of the normal daily trips to hospitals. The Emergency dept’s are crammed full of sick people & tired medicos

    @Sydward_ elective surgeries have been cancelled and visitors restricted. If there’s a 300 bed hospital and each person has on average of 1-3 visitors throughout the day, that’s a lot of people. Now imagine the slow of influx of Emergency room..

    @brouhahamama No visitors allowed, only essential personnel allowed. No elective procedures, trying to keep patients out of the hospital unless it’s an emergency.

    @haleem967 I TOOK MY DAUGHTER TO EMORY UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM. THEY’RE ONLY LETTING THE PERSON WHO NEEDS TO BE SEEN BY A DOCTOR IN! AND NO VISITORS. TO COMBAT THE SPREAD OF #COVID19 IN THE WAITING ROOMS. SO OF COURSE IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE EMPTY DUMBEST HASHTAG #FilmYourHospital

    @cinders_SA They reason many are empty now is because they are following Pandemic guidelines to prepare. Many room for a surge. Cancel nonessential procedures, no visitors.

    @Kellycoms non essential staff are home, no visitors in most hospitals. and most importantly if you dont need to go to the hospital people arent going unless its an emergency

    @harleyswife1 Our hospital closed to all visitors and non emergency cases. So seeing empty parking lots is not surprising to me.

    Of course for a few EVERY reasonable explanation is just one more brick in their wall:

    @nowthisnews
    An engineer is facing 20 years in federal prison for deliberately attempting to crash a train at high speed into the USNS Mercy hospital ship in CA. Eduardo Moreno reportedly thought the Navy hospital was ‘suspicious’ and did not believe ‘the ship is what they say it’s for.’

  121. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: The Hovel was a special place for me when I was young. Andy Laskewski started it and was a good friend. After he disappeared into Asia and was gone for 6 or 7 years David Fustukian took over. He was a character in his own right. Chemist who held patents from NASA until he walked away.

    I knew Holger quite well, Tony Dillon Davis from CKUA, Peter North, Cam Hayden. I knew Tommy Banks as well from other things.

    This conversation is tweaking a lot of old memories.

    And, yes, you would know me.

    Ha..and so it goes.

    Holger and I went to school together at NAIT.

    Tony Dillon Davis, who still does a fabulous Sunday morning show on CKUA, and I were roommates for a couple of years (won’t tell you the stories) , Cam Hayden was just a pup and Tommy Banks was the finest human being I ever met.

    I remember the first (and last) time Holger was pressed into reading a newscast at CKUA because the News Director was drunk.

    It was a story about Lebanese Freedom Fighters.

    Holger called them Lesbian Freedom Fighters and I’m still pissing my pants.

  122. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Another Edmonton music legend who worked at CKUA and did it his way.

    https://www.gigcity.ca/2018/01/26/rip-tommy-banks-godfather-of-edmonton-music/

    A great man and a nice man. That’s a rare thing.

  123. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: A great man and a nice man. That’s a rare thing.

    The best.

  124. defmn says:

    Lowetide: A great man and a nice man. That’s a rare thing.

    Yes it is.

  125. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Ha..and so it goes.

    Holger and I went to school together at NAIT.

    Tony Dillon Davis, who still does a fabulous Sunday morning show on CKUA, and I were roommates for a couple of years (won’t tell you the stories) , Cam Hayden was just a pup and Tommy Banks was the finest human being I ever met.

    I remember the first (and last) time Holger was pressed into reading a newscast at CKUA because the News Director was drunk.

    It was a story about Lebanese Freedom Fighters.

    Holger called them Lesbian Freedom Fighters and I’m still pissing my pants.

    Holger was always better off if he stuck to music.

  126. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Holger was always better off if he stuck to music.

    Which he did.

    Stony Plain Records has a fabulous catalogue.

  127. Glovjuice says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Undoubtedly.Specifically speaking, when locals marvelled at the machinations of grunge/rock geniuses Dave Grohl, Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic playing live in the flesh in front of an intimate crowd of about 100 lucky souls at The Bronx (10030 102 St) in good ol’ our town.

    https://www.livenirvana.com/concerts/91/91-03-05.php

    Or those souls who saw Radiohead and Tool at Dinwoodie or Queens of the Stone Age at The Rev.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would like to see Brad Malone back on the Condors. Injuries aside this past season, he’s still a plus AHL player (unlike, say, Keegan Lowe who is no longer effective) and a few of the youngsters, in particular Yamamoto, have gone out of their way to sing Malone’s presence as a mentor and a huge part of their developing as pros.

    Do we think another organization would give him an NHL contract? I’d love to get him on an AHL deal but he has had like 4-5 NHL contracts so he may not sign an AHL deal unless he has no other options at all.

    I don’t know what the max salary is on an AHL deal.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    WIth some research, there is no max on an AHL deal – They can sign Malone to a $300K AHL deal and keep the player. He loses the “ability” to a big bump if called up to the NHL but, at this point, even Brad has to know that’s not an option.

  130. Munny says:

    N64: @nowthisnews
    An engineer is facing 20 years in federal prison for deliberately attempting to crash a train at high speed into the USNS Mercy hospital ship in CA. Eduardo Moreno reportedly thought the Navy hospital was ‘suspicious’ and did not believe ‘the ship is what they say it’s for.’

    ~They parked the boat astraddle some railway tracks?~

    If that’s true the engineer is right. That is a damn suspicious boat.

  131. defmn says:

    Lowetide: A great man and a nice man. That’s a rare thing.

    Yes it is.

    Harpers Hair: Which he did.

    Stony Plain Records has a fabulous catalogue.

    That’s true. I think I still have a “Best of Stony Plain” double CD around here somewhere that Holger gave me. Now that you have made me all nostalgic I am going to have to dig it out. I don’t think I have listened to it in close to 20 years.

  132. Melvis says:

    hunter1909,

    hunter1909,

    Bob Ego and I hung out when he was playing with an iteration of Witness Inc. ( later Streetheart.)
    He usually referred to Painter as an “Edmonton” band, fwiw.

  133. Lowetide says:

    I hung around with Gary Fjellgaard and Laura Vinson when they were on Royalty records very early 80s, fjellgaard landed with Stony Plain records later. He was a cool guy. Kind of Saskatchewan’s Valdy.

  134. BONE207 says:

    buck yoakam:
    ok for all of you folks that were around big e and enjoying the night life in the eighties and nineties other than country clubs (that were basically meat markets) with were your favourite venues for music?…my choices are
    #1 Andantes (sean and fiona had an amazing little club that really featured local artists) I think the next act is there now?
    #2 The Sidetrack(quality venue with renowned and local acts)
    #3 The good old blues on white …need I say more
    #4 The Boiler lounge
    #5 Railtown
    #6 Billy Buds
    #7 The Executive Hotel (the fellow who ran that place at the time brought in some great talent , saw the lincolns there)
    #8 There was a little club on the corner of white and 104 just down from the commie and I can’t
    for the life of me remember the name (it changed hands quite a few times)
    #9 The Yardbird Suite (great for music but shhhhh! we are creating here!)
    #10 The Inn on Whyte

    I know I’m forgetting some and I apologize for that. As my wife and I are doing isolation renovation out on the east coast my mind wanders (not that is anything unusual)…be well!

    Any votes for Chez Pierre?

  135. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis:
    hunter1909,

    hunter1909,

    Bob Ego and I hung out when he was playing with an iteration of Witness Inc. ( later Streetheart.)
    He usually referred to Painter as an “Edmonton” band, fwiw.

    Danny Lowe ran Painter and was from Calgary. Painter were never located in Edmonton it’s fairly easy to access this on the web.

  136. SwedishPoster says:

    N64:
    While we hunt for safe vaccine antigens another track is a one month antibody initially for healthcare workers and the most vulnerable and that doubles as an early treatment.Would take off a lot of that pressure and buy a lot of time if doable.

    We’ve been given the go to give plasma from people who’s had covid 19 but is now healthy to patients to hopefully give them an antibody boost. Been some promising early results elsewhere that it can give more mild illness, very small studies though. Won’t be a miracle cure but anything that can take some pressure off the ICUs is worth a try. It’s just an insane number of people who needs to be put in ventilators. And now we’re not talking old people, we’re talking, for a large part, men in their 50-60s with a big belly, maybe hypertension and type 2 diabetes but not much else in their medical background. Healthy enough to work full time the majority of them.

  137. defmn says:

    While I am wandering down memory lane anybody else here make it to this?

    https://www.festivival.com/history/strawberry-mountain-fair-1970

  138. Melvis says:

    hunter1909,

    Niptickers…hmm, that works. You’re all a bunch of niptickers. Fuck. It was nearly half a century ago. Who really gives a shit? ?

  139. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis:
    hunter1909,

    Niptickers…hmm, that works. You’re all a bunch of niptickers. Fuck. It was nearly half a century ago. Who really gives a shit? ?

    Awesome! You walked the talk.

  140. wolf8888 says:

    Unquestionably the best radio station I’ve ever listened to. I love both those shows plus Bubba is great. I donate on the monthly plan. Don’t even notice the expense on that basis and CKUA apparently likes having the security of knowing their monthly income. It doesn’t take much if we all pitch in and I notice a lot of music lovers on this site

  141. N64 says:

    Yes. There’s a health competition there with multiple companies extracting from recovered patients and other bio-engineering and evaluating different antibodies. The better the results and the scale the bigger the society wide benefits.

  142. unca miltie says:

    We had Laura Vinson out to Whitecourt for a number of events in the late 70’s if my memory is correct.

  143. N64 says:

    LOL.Only a grassy knoll, a parking lot and a channel of water between boat and the tracks. Being all in on crazy only gets you so far 😉

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