Western Skies

I love Blue Rodeo. Their original songs are pure, their covers are gorgeous, the sound of the band professional but always raw. I’ve never mistaken their recordings for a feature singer with a bunch of studio musicians. They’re a band. Blue Rodeo is from Ontario, but Alberta loves them like their children. That happens a lot, K.D. Lang is from Alberta (born in Edmonton) and can pack a joint from New York to Melbourne. The ultimate example is The Guess Who and Toronto. Find yourself a partner that loves anything like Toronto loved the Guess Who in 1972.

I like the country music, not the dumb stuff but the thoughtful, piercing stuff. Bad Timing by Blue Rodeo, my goodness that’s a song. Those harmonies reach you and you’re done. The words are pure too.

Well I’d rather be Walking through the tall pine trees
High up above Lake Louise
And I’d rather be
Chasing after shooting stars
Than waiting for this dumb 503 TTC

I’m not even certain what the 503 TTC is, always assumed it was a Toronto crosstown bus or subway. Doesn’t matter. I picked up what Blue Rodeo was putting down from the first note, that’s never going to change. Welcome to my look at the WHL for the 2020 draft.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

THE BEST OF THE WHL

  1. LC Connor Zary. Two-way center. September 2001. NHLE 37.
  2. RC Seth Jarvis.  Jarvis is a fantastic player, undersized and skilled.
  3. RD Braden Schneider. Fine skater has a range of skills, owns a fairly complete game.
  4. LD Kaiden Guhle. Big defenseman has good foot speed and complete skill set.
  5. LW Ridly Greig. Smart offensive W with good instincts, he isn’t a fast train.
  6. LW Jake Neighbours He’s skilled, gritty and plays a strong two-way game. March 2002
  7. RW Ozzy Wiesblatt. 20+ goals lacks size but plays with great determination.
  8. RW Connor McClennon. He’s undersized but can score goals.
  9. RC Jack Finley. A big pivot, skates well, useful in multiple areas.
  10. RC Justin Sourdif. Two-way winger gained notice at the Hlinka.
  11. LW Owen Pederson. Scored 28 goals in 61 games. He’s worth drafting.
  12. RW Pavel Novak. Speedster with skill, he’s a scorer. NHLE is 26, he’s an April 2002.
  13. RD Luke Prokop. A giant (6.04, 218) Shutdown blue.
  14. Tristan Robins. Impressive numbers, he is very skilled doesn’t get much attention.
  15. L Kyle Crnkovic. Small (5.07) doubled his point total season over season.
  16. G Dylan Garand. Eye popping SP (.921), June 2002, he’s only 6.0. Good numbers down the line.
  17. LD Daemon Hunt. Big defender with good wheels, he is an effective player without the puck
  18. RD Kasper Puutio. Skill defender had a good Hlinka and then a strong late push
  19. LW Cross Hanas. Speedy winger scored 22 goals in Portland.
  20. RD Alex Cotton. Big offensive defenseman, second year eligible can he defend?
  21. RC Josh Pillar. Fast player, spiked offensively, could be underrated here.
  22. LC Michal Gut. Skill center, average speed, August 2002.
  23. LW Carter Souch. Undersized, skilled, great skater, shows flashes of brilliance.
  24. RW Robbie Fromm-Delorme. Skill winger, great name. Big improvement.
  25. RD Simon Kubicek. Big man who can defend, has some offensive flair.

The WHL list doesn’t reach the brilliant heights of the OHL, but there are quality names here. I’m especially interested in Jarvis, Neighbours, Finley, Cotton and Pillar.

WHL 2019 LIST

  1. Bowen Byram, LHD, Vancouver Giants. 67, 26-45-71 (1.06)
  2. Kirby Dach, RHC, Saskatoon Blades. 62, 25-48-73 (1.18)
  3. Dylan Cozens, RHC, Lethbridge Hurricanes. 68, 34-50-84 (1.24)
  4. Peyton Krebs, LW, Kootenay Ice. 64, 19-49-68 (1.06)
  5. Matthew Robertson, LHD, Edmonton Oil Kings. 52, 7-26-33 (0.63)
  6. Brett Leason, RW, Prince Albert Raiders. 55, 36-53-89 (1.62) (OA)
  7. Brayden Tracey, LW, Moose Jaw Warriors. 66, 36-45-81 (1.23)
  8. Lassi Thomson, RHD, Kelowna Rockets. 63, 17-24-41 (0.65)
  9. Mads Sogaard, G Medicine Hat Tigers. 37, 2.64 .921
  10. Nolan Foote, LW, Kelowna Rockets. 66, 36-27-63 (0.95)
  11. Luka Burzan LHC, Brandon Wheat Kings. 68, 40-38-78 (1.15) (OA)
  12. Adam Beckman, LW, Spokane Chiefs. 68, 32-30-62 (0.91)
  13. Kaedan Korczak, RD, Kelowna Rockets. 68, 4-29-33 (0.49)
  14. Dillon Hamaliuk, LW, Seattle Thunderbirds. 31, 11-15-26 (.84)
  15. Oleg Zaitsev, LHC, Red Deer Rebels. 66, 13-30-54 (0.65)
  16. Trent Miner, G, Vancouver Giants. 32, 1.98 .924.
  17. Alexei Protas, LC, Prince Albert Raiders. 61, 11-29-40 (0.66)
  18. Gianni Fairbrother, LHD, Everett Silvertips. 64, 10-26-36 (0.56)
  19. Sasha Mutala, RW, Tri-City Americans. 65, 20-21-41 (0.63)
  20. Reece Newkirk, LHC, Portland Winterhawks. 68, 23-36-59 (0.87)
  21. Josh Williams, RW, Edmonton Oil Kings. 66, 14-19-33 (0.50)
  22. Quinn Schmiemann, LHD, Kamloops Blazers. 58, 5-23-28 (0.48)
  23. Dustin Wolf, Everett Silvertips. 61, 1.69 .936
  24. Martin Lang, RW, Kamloops Blazers. 65, 11-22-33 (0.51)
  25. Luke Toporowski, LHC, Spokane Chiefs. 67, 21-28-49 (0.73)
  26. Ben McCartney, LW, Brandon Wheat Kings. 67, 21-20-41 (0.61)
  27. Vladimir Alistrov, LW, Edmonton Oil Kings. 62, 12-26-38 (0.61)
  28. Henry Rybinski, RW, Seattle Thunderbirds. 33, 7-28-35 (1.06)
  29. Mark Kastelic, RHC, Calgary Hitmen. 66, 47-30-77 (1.17) (OA)
  30. Cole Moberg, RHD, Prince George Cougars. 61, 13-27-40 (0.66) (OA)

My opinion is that the 2019 list is stronger than the 2020 edition, your mileage may vary. As I did yesterday, here’s the NHLE for Oilers top WHL picks from the decade with some of the current names thrown in.

  1. Seth Jarvis 41.8
  2. Leon Draisaitl 40.6
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 38.0
  4. Kailer Yamamoto 37.7
  5. Connor Zary 37.4

Now I’m not suggesting Jarvis is going to eclipse Leon or even Nuge, but he posted some crazy good numbers. I don’t believe Jarvis goes top 10, and he might not go top 15. He is a small winger. We’ll see.

There are several RFA’s (Kuffner, Hebig, Vesey, Lagesson, Day) who are without contracts, these AHL signings may be replacements for some of those names. I like this plan, good AHL players on minor league contracts are gold. I don’t believe Brad Malone will take minutes from Ryan McLeod, and ice time for the prospects is the only real concern. Jay Woodcroft and his staff have established that playing the kids is a priority.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260, we hit the ground running with a great group of guests. At 10:20, Tom Gazzola talks Oilers, the draft and what it’s like to golf in the time of the Coronavirus. Marshall Ferguson from TSN1150 in Hamilton and CFL.ca will talk draft review, the season to (hopefully) come and remind us who is playing where. Tristan Jarry of the Pittsburgh Penguins will join us at 11:25 to share his memories of the 2014 WHL finals and the Memorial Cup later that spring. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. defmn says:

    The cupboard is getting a little full down in Bakersfield.

    Are AHL only contracts typically lower than two way contracts and are these signings an economic hedge against the possibility that they don’t play as many games or any games this coming season?

  2. defmn says:

    MacLellan outlines all the reasons why the GM’s are opposed to an early draft and then recognizes that the business side of the league may well over rule all of those objections.

    https://www.tsn.ca/brian-maclellan-nhl-general-managers-prefer-natural-order-on-draft-1.1473492

    In the end, MacLellan says the Capitals will adjust to whatever plan the league sets in place.

    “I also understand this is a business, it’s a league business,” MacLellan said. “The commissioner and the league have some business decisions to make, there’s national rights holders, there’s a national audience that’s looking for some content and there’s an opportunity for the league to sell our draft, to introduce the draft to people that don’t normally watch it possibly. So I think there’s probably a little tug of war. … The commissioner will make his decision and we’ll work with that. We’ll work within the guidelines he sets out.”

  3. jtblack says:

    just curious why you have Zary above Jarvis? The math says Jarvis, no? factor in age difference ….

    let me know !

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    Pretty sure Jarvis is a small center, LT. At least that’s what the WHL and Winterhawks websites say. HockeyDB too.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klefbom, Eberle, Yamamoto – all selected in and around the range the Oilers will pick this year.

    The Oilers have had success in this part of the first round.

    Let it continue!

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vesey is gone almost for sure – thank goodness the Oilers didn’t have to give up a 7th rounder to the Leafs to sign this guy – what a crazy trade and sign by Chiarelli.

    I imagine Hebig will be let go.

    Kuffner will be signed I would think – good pedigree here and hoping the fresh organization will re-start him a bit.

    I thought Day may be let go but the right side in the Bake is super thin – its like Bouchard, Jacks, Deharnais – not good and it will be even thinner once Bouchard is in the NHL (which may be at the start).

    Obviously Lagesson will be signed, likely to a Jones style contract – not sure why this hasn’t happened yet to tell you the truth.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Happy 22nd Jesse Puljujarvi – see you at training camp!

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    TSN will be showing the 1987 Canada Cup starting tomorrow.

    I’m not one for watching replays of old games but I think I might tune in to these here and there – lots of legends, on all sides.

  9. norm_klassen says:

    If the Oilers can keep up with the mid range draft success they should be sustainable over the years.
    We got pocket Aces just need the Jacks and 10s
    RNH can be king

  10. rickithebear says:

    LT: long time poster,
    Recent lurker!

    Caught up on some reads.

    The 2012 draft!

    My father was moved to a facility for specific to final stages of dimensias.
    We’re they have reverted to an infant status.
    It is hard to think of my fathers brain ( one of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century: Arrow, Appollo, landsat, Seasat, exocet,….) that was offered the head of European Space agency Orbit assets in the 70’s has digressed to that.
    Loved helping dad in garden 1/2 of back of a pie shaped lot.

    With all that has gone on.
    Wife wanted garden potential.
    But she knows me.
    Go big.

    Built frames for my version of 6 foot veg trug raised beds.
    33” x 12’ to fit in the 2 – 8 x 12 green house frames for back yard.
    Goes in the 14’ x 24’ area that used to be slides & swing.
    All studs and rails are cut from 2 x 8 – 8’ and 12’ ripped into 5 – approx 1.5 x1.375
    4 in greenhouses.
    2 along garage wall.
    23-24 cubic ft per

    Looked at types of plants companions the ph level of veg groups.
    Read up on garden and bed mixes.
    A ratio of commercial peat/compost/lime/worm castings/perlite.

    Planted 150 seedlings in peat pucks.
    varied groups of 4 of each veg.
    14 days in 7 grew.
    Nightshades ( tomatoes),
    Cubicital girds (Cucumbers)
    Shit!
    Think I drowned them.

    Reseeded
    The brassicas, Allium and leafy greens, 3 days ago.
    77 of 84 have pushed thru.
    One the 3 chards and spinach did not push thru.

    Dad used to make this awesome salad,
    Chard, beet tops, spinach, endive, scallions, with a warm garlic, buttermilk dressing.
    It was great and I hate buttermilk.

    Anyhow!

    Galchenyuks 16 yr age NHLE said he was the North American choice.
    My memory is not good anymore.
    Cannot remember if I gave into the arguments for Nail.
    When you go to hockey pb 2012 draft and click points.

    Forsberg pick #11 Washington 458gm 166g 353 pt
    Galchenyuk pick #3 MTL 549gm 135g 320 pt
    T. Teravainen pick #18 CHI 428 gm 91g 289 pt
    Hertl pick #17 SJS 428 gm 132g 280 pt
    Pearson pick #30 LAK 457gm 108G 215 pt

    7 of the top 15 point getters are Dmen.
    #15 player (#8 fwd)
    Athanasiou 303gm 84g 156pt

  11. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Vancouver has the (empty) hotel space surrounding the arena.

    Bill Daly has stated that teams will allow family members to become part of the NHL “bubble”. I can imagine that hockey wives are more amenable to summer in Vancouver.

    Bonny Henry, who is the Chief Medical Officer in BC, has laid out a target of no new cases in the province from the end of June.

  12. JimmyV1965 says:

    John Chambers:
    Harpers Hair,

    Vancouver has the (empty) hotel space surrounding the arena.

    Bill Daly has stated that teams will allow family members to become part of the NHL “bubble”. I can imagine that hockey wives are more amenable to summer in Vancouver.

    Bonny Henry, who is the Chief Medical Officer in BC, has laid out a target of no new cases in the province from the end of June.

    Not sure why family members would care where they’re being quarantined. They’ll be locked up in the hotel.

  13. geowal says:

    First “real” concert I ever saw was The Guess Who, in Grande Prairie, me and two buddies drove down for that one, what a great time.

  14. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers:
    Harpers Hair,

    Vancouver has the (empty) hotel space surrounding the arena.

    Bill Daly has stated that teams will allow family members to become part of the NHL “bubble”. I can imagine that hockey wives are more amenable to summer in Vancouver.

    Bonny Henry, who is the Chief Medical Officer in BC, has laid out a target of no new cases in the province from the end of June.

    It also has a couple of additional arenas available if several games per day are required. The Pacific Coliseum and Langley Events Centre are both good hockey venues.

  15. jp says:

    Kaldis is a RD, likely a significant signing for Bakersfield.

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/219036/yanni-kaldis

    He’s undersized, maybe why he only got an AHL deal, but his boxcars are pretty impressive (3rd in Cornell scoring each of the last 2 seasons), and he was team captain this year.

    He’s been a post-season all-star in some form all 4 years in college and in both his BCHL seasons before that. Seems like he could be quite a good pro (I’d wager he’s currently the Condors 2RD, maybe even if Day re-signs).

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: Not sure why family members would care where they’re being quarantined. They’ll be locked up in the hotel.

    Not necessarily.

    With proper protocols, they could leave the hotel.

  17. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Not necessarily.

    With proper protocols, they could leave the hotel.

    Edmonton could literally turn the arena, hotel and connecting skywalk into a single bubble with team, family members and live in hotel staff (one way to watch the games live and one big space to roam!). The choice of family members to stay home or join the bubble could help the PA get the high consensus they need. If you leave the bubble or don’t join it at the beginning they could even set up a re-entry quarantine.

    Still skeptical that the PA will sign off on any specific plan, but they should be concerned about gate revenues next year. Even if they don’t start until September they need to provide rightsholder with 2020 and 2021 playoffs more than they need a full 82 game season.

    Some will prefer to stay home. Others will want to join the bubble. Those that join the bubble at the start could leave. They could even set up re-entry quarantines.

  18. defmn says:

    rickithebear:
    LT: long time poster,
    Recent lurker!

    Caught up on some reads.

    The 2012 draft!
    Galchenyuks 16 yr age NHLE said he was the North American choice.
    My memory is not good anymore.
    Cannot remember if I gave into the arguments for Nail.
    When you go to hockey pb 2012 draft and click points.

    Forsberg pick #11 Washington 458gm 166g 353 pt
    Galchenyuk pick #3 MTL 549gm 135g 320 pt
    T. Teravainen pick #18 CHI 428 gm 91g 289 pt
    Hertl pick #17 SJS 428 gm 132g 280 pt
    Pearson pick #30 LAK 457gm 108G 215 pt

    7 of the top 15 point getters are Dmen.
    #15 player (#8 fwd)
    Athanasiou 303gm 84g 156pt

    And Athanasiou has done it in 303 games whereas most of the 14 ahead of him have played at least 400 and many of them over 500.

  19. Bruce McCurdy says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki: sorry to hear anout your dad, that’s just brutal. Went through similar with my mother in the last 10 years of her life. She had a pretty sharp mind of her own; to watch it atrophy if not shatter was awful in the extreme. She outlived my dad by five years but in a practical sense she was “gone” before he was.

    I wish you & your family the strength to cope with the closing stages of what sounds to have been a remarkable life.

  20. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Not necessarily.

    With proper protocols, they could leave the hotel.

    Grouse grind at 2m intervals.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: Grouse grind at 2m intervals.

    Stanley Park and the Sea Wall are just minutes away.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    The cupboard is getting a little full down in Bakersfield.

    Are AHL only contracts typically lower than two way contracts and are these signings an economic hedge against the possibility that they don’t play as many games or any games this coming season?

    Its not full on right D though:

    Bouchard
    Jacks
    Deharnais
    (Day – unsigned)

    Given Bouchard is likely to spend the majority of the season in the NHL……

    Damn, would have been a perfect situation for Berglund – oh well, can’t fault him – he’ll burn a year of that 2-way ELC (with a max $70K in the AHL).

    There is no maximum AHL salary on a 2-way contract or an AHL only contract (except for ELCs where the max AHL salary is $70K).

    I think the main reason for the AHL contracts is these are players with no shot at the NHL during that contract and an AHL deal doesn’t count against the 50 contract limit. There is the ability for Holland (Katz) to offer more $$$ as an incentive to sign the AHL deal. My guess is that is the deal with a guy like Malone.

    Last year Malone was on a 2-way NHL deal that paid him $275K as an AHL salary with a minimum compensation of $300K. I don’t know what his new AHL deal pays him but my guess is it is a premium over that $300K (to get him to sign and sign early as to not see if he can get an NHL deal elsewhere).

  23. jp says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    rickithebear,

    Ricki: sorry to hear anout your dad, that’s just brutal. Went through similar with my mother in the last 10 years of her life. She had a pretty sharp mind of her own; to watch it atrophy if not shatter was awful in the extreme. She outlived my dad by five years but in a practical sense she was “gone” before he was.

    I wish you & your family the strength to cope with the closing stages of what sounds to have been a remarkable life.

    +1

    And sorry about your mother as well.

  24. Munny says:

    rickithebear,

    Hang in there, Ricki.

  25. €√¥£€^$ says:

    rickithebear:
    LT: long time poster,
    Recent lurker!

    Caught up on some reads.

    The 2012 draft!

    My father was moved to a facility for specific to final stages of dimensias.
    We’re they have reverted to an infant status.
    It is hard to think of my fathers brain ( one of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century: Arrow, Appollo, landsat, Seasat, exocet,….) that was offered the head of European Space agency Orbit assets in the 70’s has digressed to that.
    Loved helping dad in garden 1/2 of back of a pie shaped lot.

    With all that has gone on.
    Wife wanted garden potential.
    But she knows me.
    Go big.

    Built frames for my version of 6 foot veg trug raised beds.
    33” x 12’ to fit in the 2 – 8 x 12 green house frames for back yard.
    Goes inthe 14’ x 24’ area that used to be slides &swing.
    All studs and rails are cut from 2 x 8 – 8’ and 12’ ripped into 5 – approx 1.5 x1.375
    4 in greenhouses.
    2 along garage wall.
    23-24 cubic ft per

    Looked at types of plants companions the ph level of veg groups.
    Read up on garden and bed mixes.
    A ratio of commercial peat/compost/lime/worm castings/perlite.

    Planted 150 seedlings in peat pucks.
    varied groups of 4 of each veg.
    14 days in 7 grew.
    Nightshades ( tomatoes),
    Cubicital girds (Cucumbers)
    Shit!
    Think I drowned them.

    Reseeded
    The brassicas, Allium and leafy greens, 3 days ago.
    77 of 84 have pushed thru.
    One the 3 chards and spinach did not push thru.

    Dad used to make this awesome salad,
    Chard, beet tops, spinach,endive, scallions, with a warm garlic, buttermilk dressing.
    It was great and I hate buttermilk.

    Anyhow!

    Galchenyuks 16 yr age NHLE said he was the North American choice.
    My memory is not good anymore.
    Cannot remember if I gave into the arguments for Nail.
    When you go to hockey pb 2012 draft and click points.

    Forsberg pick #11 Washington 458gm 166g 353 pt
    Galchenyuk pick #3 MTL 549gm 135g 320 pt
    T. Teravainen pick #18 CHI 428 gm 91g 289 pt
    Hertl pick #17 SJS 428 gm 132g 280 pt
    Pearson pick #30 LAK 457gm 108G 215 pt

    7 of the top 15 point getters are Dmen.
    #15 player (#8 fwd)
    Athanasiou 303gm 84g 156pt

    Hi Ricki,

    I am sorry to hear about your father. Alzheimers is major concern for me on my father’s side, watched it with my father’s parents and my father’s oldest brother. It is a terrible thing.

    I am looking into building a large garden in the next week, after my fence is built tomorrow. I look forward to more updates on your progress.

    How are you doing, haven’t seen your posts in some time.

    Take care Mr. Bear!!

  26. €√¥£€^$ says:

    For this this draft I’ve focused on LW and RC primarily. I have spent more time looking at this draft than I have ever done before, so I am saddened by the lack of bullets.

    I am a bit obsessed with Jack Finley, RC, he is a young player for this draft and about 6’6″. He has NHL bloodlines, has been a leader throughout his career, is trusted by his coach in Spokane as a defensively responsible centerman, is developing nicely as a Center and is a good faceoff man. I think he will be a good 3C in the NHL and will be in the show within 3 years. I think he will be gone early in the 3rd or late in the second. Kenny get more bullets!!!

    The other players from the Dub as later value forward picks that I have circled are:

    Owen Pederson
    Tristan Robins
    Josh Pillar

    RHD Alex Cotton is also intriguing

    Not an WHL target, but AJHL RC Colgate-bound Overager Alex Young is definitely an intriguing target in the 6th or 7th round, but could go earlier. I am convinced he will be in the NHL in 3-4 years.

    I have a couple of Euro targets who really intrigue me, but I will talk about them in LT’s Euro Draft prospect post.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    MacLellan outlines all the reasons why the GM’s are opposed to an early draft and then recognizes that the business side of the league may well over rule all of those objections.

    https://www.tsn.ca/brian-maclellan-nhl-general-managers-prefer-natural-order-on-draft-1.1473492

    In the end, MacLellan says the Capitals will adjust to whatever plan the league sets in place.

    “I also understand this is a business, it’s a league business,” MacLellan said. “The commissioner and the league have some business decisions to make, there’s national rights holders, there’s a national audience that’s looking for some content and there’s an opportunity for the league to sell our draft, to introduce the draft to people that don’t normally watch it possibly. So I think there’s probably a little tug of war. … The commissioner will make his decision and we’ll work with that. We’ll work within the guidelines he sets out.”

    I get the business reason and its very important to keep the rights holders happy – negotiations with them in the near term and medium term will have an impact on revenue and impact the players and the product.

    If the report from 1040 is accurate (re: Fox’s contract and it rolling over completely to next year if ALL the games aren’t played), that a MASSIVE incentive to try and finish the current regular season at all costs (of do-able). That doesn’t really have anything to do with the draft but it just shows the leverage the networks have right now.

    With that said, I don’t think the networks are really going to get what they want with an early draft. I mean if the NHL goes “crazy” and comes up with a “2nd trade deadline” or some other wonky scenario then, sure, it could be a watched a fun event.

    With that said, I don’t think that type of scenario is reasonable – it would be fun but wouldn’t make sense – and the draft, before the season ends, would be a watered down event than a normal draft. It won’t have the effect of “introducing the draft” in a positive manner – if anything, without active roster player trades, it would likely be quite boring and turn non-hardcore fans off the draft.

    At least in my opinion.

    I get what the networks are hoping to get out of it but I don’t think they would get it.

  28. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Happy 22nd Jesse Puljujarvi – see you at training camp!

    You are going all the way to Oulun to watch their training camp? That’s dedication.

  29. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: If the report from 1040 is accurate (re: Fox’s contract and it rolling over completely to next year if ALL the games aren’t played), that a MASSIVE incentive to try and finish the current regular season at all costs (of do-able). That doesn’t really have anything to do with the draft but it just shows the leverage the networks have right now.

    That gives the network more leverage, but they are also need the playoff content and I could see the network agreeing to substitutes e.g. no more regular season, quick play in for bottom seeds, best of 5 except for SCF,

  30. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Oh leftorium how I have missed thee…

    Would the real Yanni Kaldis please stand up? Do you shoot L (As photo above)? Or R (as per JP’s link above – https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/219036/yanni-kaldis)?

    The 503 TTC is a streetcar, and I can see it from time to time looking down the street out my front window. Blue Rodeo are great. Last time I saw them was at Massey Hall about 12 years ago -they finished with a mind-blowing jam on 5 days in May…oh baby!

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Friedman with his 31 thoughts today.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-will-nhl-broadcasts-look-season-resumes/

    He thinks, if they resume (and he is clear this is just his opinion);

    – no regular season

    – 24 teams in playoffs

    Reasons:

    – safety and not opening practice facilities for a while still

    – timing – with facilities maybe not opening until June there isnt’ a ton of time even with next season not starting until December – players are very worried about months of quarantine

    – players out of playoffs don’t want to come back for meaningless games

    – NHL/NHLPA agree that they need at 45-55 days of an off-season

    As an aside, Brian Burke thinks they go with an 8-team playoff if they play

  32. jp says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Oh leftorium how I have missed thee…
    Would the real Yanni Kaldis please stand up? Do you shoot L (As photo above)? Or R (as per JP’s link above – https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/219036/yanni-kaldis)?

    Ha! I didn’t look at the picture closely. He clearly shoots left.

    Some Bakersfield D are gonna get lots of practice playing their off side..

  33. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Friedman with his 31 thoughts today.

    He thinks, if they resume (and he is clear this is just his opinion);
    – no regular season
    – 24 teams in playoffs

    As an aside, Brian Burke thinks they go with an 8-team playoff if they play

    Thanks for the summary.

    Hmmm.. Oilers *probably* still in if it’s only 8 teams.

    -They’re 2nd in the Pacific, so if it were 2 teams per division they’re in.
    -If 4 teams per conference, they make it on raw points, but are 5th in pts% (Dallas is 4th).
    -By league-wide points (9th) or pts% (12th) they aren’t in.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    I found the trade to the Steel the other day interesting as i thought he was headed to Providence this season but he want a year in the USHL first:

    Tomas Mazura
    @TomasMazura9
    ·
    1h
    After missing my sophomore year with an injury, I have decided that I will benefit from another year outside of college. Can’t wait to spend next year with
    @ChicagoSteel
    !

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-16-20-24-team-playoff-are-all-options~1954081

    LeBrun:

    Bettman on the BOG call said 16, 20 and 24 are all options for playoff format

    The same 16, 20, 24 were discussed on the return to play committee and it seems 24 is gaining momentum

    Lots don’t like the 24 (let teams that “sold” still get to go the playoffs)

    Dreger:

    Could trim 24 down to 16 for a playoffs with 3-6 games

    That could give them time for “a break” if there is a second waive

    Testing is a key – mammoth around of tests and how quickly

    Saravelli:

    It could cost up to $20 per test – is the cost of this all worth the revenue (testing itself could be in the tens of millions)?

    So far the NHL has determined that “the juice would be worth the squeeze”

  36. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    just curious why you have Zary above Jarvis? The math says Jarvis, no?factor in age difference ….

    let me know !

    Zary is a quality player, two-way type with top end skill. I know Jarvis is sometimes listed as a center, but he played a lot on RW and I’m projecting him as a winger.

    I have Zary 12 and Jarvis 16 but Jarvis was moving up so we’ll see. My final list is out June 1.

    https://lowetide.ca/2020/04/22/the-100-best-players-in-the-2020-draft/

  37. Lowetide says:

    Ricki: Glad you checked in, sorry to hear about your Dad. My father died of cancer but dementia did more damage than anything else. Heartbreaking way to lose a loved one.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Harpers Hair,

    Vancouver has the (empty) hotel space surrounding the arena.

    Bill Daly has stated that teams will allow family members to become part of the NHL “bubble”. I can imagine that hockey wives are more amenable to summer in Vancouver.

    Bonny Henry, who is the Chief Medical Officer in BC, has laid out a target of no new cases in the province from the end of June.

    Lets take a step back – are you getting that Daly intel from his spot on Oilers Now last Friday?

    If so, that’s not quite what he said. It was something that could be contemplated but not a surety it would be approved (most testing, more cost in general and, frankly, families likely don’t want to move in to a hotel and be quarantined for, potentially, months0.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    Kaldis is a RD, likely a significant signing for Bakersfield.

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/219036/yanni-kaldis

    He’s undersized, maybe why he only got an AHL deal, but his boxcars are pretty impressive (3rd in Cornell scoring each of the last 2 seasons), and he was team captain this year.

    He’s been a post-season all-star in some form all 4 years in college and in both his BCHL seasons before that. Seems like he could be quite a good pro (I’d wager he’s currently the Condors 2RD, maybe even if Day re-signs).

    I forgot about that signing – thank you.

    Man, those numbers trump Rafferty’s – 2nd pairing – in the NHL in a year…….

    He may be the Day-replacement for the offence first right shot guy.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    Kaldis is a RD, likely a significant signing for Bakersfield.

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/219036/yanni-kaldis

    He’s undersized, maybe why he only got an AHL deal, but his boxcars are pretty impressive (3rd in Cornell scoring each of the last 2 seasons), and he was team captain this year.

    He’s been a post-season all-star in some form all 4 years in college and in both his BCHL seasons before that. Seems like he could be quite a good pro (I’d wager he’s currently the Condors 2RD, maybe even if Day re-signs).

    I forgot about that signing – thank you.

    Man, those numbers dwarf Rafferty’s – 2nd pairing – in the NHL in a year…….

    He may be the Day-replacement for the offence first right shot guy.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lets take a step back – are you getting that Daly intel from his spot on Oilers Now last Friday?

    If so, that’s not quite what he said.It was something that could be contemplated but not a surety it would be approved (most testing, more cost in general and, frankly, families likely don’t want to move in to a hotel and be quarantined for, potentially, months0.

    How do you know what families want. Did they call you?

  42. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965: Not sure why family members would care where they’re being quarantined. They’ll be locked up in the hotel.

    Pretty cavalier with peoples families. Remember hockey players are first and most important, people. Sometimes we have a tendency to forget this. Playing hockey is what they do not who they are.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    pts2pndr: Pretty cavalier with peoples families. Remember hockey players are first and most important, people. Sometimes we have a tendency to forget this. Playing hockey is what they do not who they are.

    Why in the world would you quarantine people and then let some of them come and go? I kinda defeats the purpose of the quarantine.

  44. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Planning a trip to Finland? If so, say hi to Jesse for all of us.

  45. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: Why in the world would you quarantine people and then let some of them come and go? I kinda defeats the purpose of the quarantine.

    It’s pretty easy to control when and where they go.

  46. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    TSN will be showing the 1987 Canada Cup starting tomorrow.

    I’m not one for watching replays of old games but I think I might tune in to these here and there – lots of legends, on all sides.

    The ultimate shutdown line: Mark Messier, Dale Hawerchuk, Glen Anderson.

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: It’s pretty easy to control when and where they go.

    No offence, but it would be utter madness if they allowed people to leave the quarantine area for any reason other than an emergency.

  48. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965: Why in the world would you quarantine people and then let some of them come and go? I kinda defeats the purpose of the quarantine.

    Only required to be quarantined for fourteen days.

  49. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I forgot about that signing – thank you.
    Man, those numbers dwarf Rafferty’s – 2nd pairing – in the NHL in a year…….
    He may be the Day-replacement for the offence first right shot guy.

    GORDIEHOWEHATTRICK pointed out that Kaldis’ picture shows him shooting left. EliteProspects appears to be mistaken and LT was correct in listing him as a LD.

    He does look like he could be a real quality player for the Condors though.

  50. godot10 says:

    The OIlers need a 2nd round draft pick to get Neighbours.

    Early twenties is too high. He can play with skill, but I think Guenther was the driving the bus.

  51. nelson88 says:

    I’d like the Oilers to try and trade Jesse and their first to Montreal and get low enough to draft perfetti. Montreal how so many picks and small skilled players could be a win – win

  52. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: No offence, but it would be utter madness if they allowed people to leave the quarantine area for any reason other than an emergency.

    They could easily load them on a bus and take a tour of Stanley Park, for example.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Only required to be quarantined for fourteen days.

    No – that’s not what is being contemplated – they would be quarantined along with everyone else for the entire time.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    pts2pndr: Only required to be quarantined for fourteen days.

    The whole idea of having hub centres is to quarantine players for the entire duration of play. To make sure they don’t get infected. Why in the world would they allow players, or anyone else in the bubble, leave the quarantined area? It defeats the entire purpose of quarantining in the first place.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: They could easily load them on a bus and take a tour of Stanley Park, for example.

    I suppose you could make a bus tour safe enough, but it introduces a completely unnecessary risk, even if it’s low. Frankly, I would question Bettman’s leadership if he allowed something like this to occur, unless there was some shift in government and social perceptions of the virus.

    This is not how I feel personally, but if you quarantine an entire industry, you better do it right.

  56. Munny says:

    I wonder if they are also discussing families of support staff…

    Hockey players are there till they’re eliminated. TV, support, etc are there till the bitter end. Do they get to be with their families while quarantined for weeks too? Do their families get to take bus rides with the fancy-schmancies?

    Which brings up another point…

    How do they handle the consolidation of venues once we’re out of divisional play? The bubble has to be able to be moved safely.. I don’t doubt there’s money for this, but is there political acceptance? That is, “you’re quarantined and travelled together so no need for two weeks iso”.

    And who gets to host the SCF? The jurisdiction with the most lenient rules?

  57. Munny says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I agree; I think it would have negative public optics.

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: I suppose you could make a bus tour safe enough, but it introduces a completely unnecessary risk, even if it’s low. Frankly, I would question Bettman’s leadership if he allowed something like this to occur, unless there was some shift in government and social perceptions of the virus.

    This is not how I feel personally, but if you quarantine an entire industry, you better do it right.

    Done properly, the risk is effectively zero.

    BC currently has about 700 active cases with almost all of them in elderly care facilities, a federal prison and two chicken processing plants.

  59. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: With that said, I don’t think the networks are really going to get what they want with an early draft. I mean if the NHL goes “crazy” and comes up with a “2nd trade deadline” or some other wonky scenario then, sure, it could be a watched a fun event.

    With that said, I don’t think that type of scenario is reasonable – it would be fun but wouldn’t make sense – and the draft, before the season ends, would be a watered down event than a normal draft. It won’t have the effect of “introducing the draft” in a positive manner – if anything, without active roster player trades, it would likely be quite boring and turn non-hardcore fans off the draft.

    Good assessment. Is it worth seizing an opportunity just to put a sub-par product on display? I’m in your boat: no.

  60. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Done properly, the risk is effectively zero.

    BC currently has about 700 active cases with almost all of them in elderly care facilities, a federal prison and two chicken processing plants.

    Fucking chickens. Knew they’ve always had it in for us.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    John Chambers:
    Harpers Hair,

    Vancouver has the (empty) hotel space surrounding the arena.

    Bill Daly has stated that teams will allow family members to become part of the NHL “bubble”. I can imagine that hockey wives are more amenable to summer in Vancouver.

    Bonny Henry, who is the Chief Medical Officer in BC, has laid out a target of no new cases in the province from the end of June.

    It’s encouraging her take on things coincides with multiple world piers with far more experience than her. Or doesn’t.

    She also thinks NHL hockey players wear masks.

    Maybe Horgan will have the balls to make the decision.

  62. Munny says:

    N64: Those that join the bubble at the start could leave.

    They will, of course, be quarantined again once they get back home.

  63. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: It’s encouraging her take on things coincides with multiple world piers with far more experience than her. Or doesn’t.

    She also thinks NHL hockey players wear masks.

    Maybe Horgan will have the balls to make the decision.

    Horgan wrote to Bettman yesterday offering Vancouver as a hub city.

    I’ll expect you’ll see both Edmonton and Vancouver as hub cities with the Canucks playing in Edmonton and the Oilers in Vancouver so neither has home ice advantage.

  64. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: She also thinks NHL hockey players wear masks.

    I think there is a very strong likelihood we see the League make full face shields mandatory, at least till this blows over… and perhaps longer.

    And fighting, spitting etc might be an automatic 2 week suspension.

  65. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: I’ll expect you’ll see both Edmonton and Vancouver as hub cities with the Canucks playing in Edmonton and the Oilers in Vancouver so neither has home ice advantage.

    I don’t expect this at all.

    I expect 4 hub cities to start, one per division, with two of the four designated as the conference hub, and one of those two as the SCF hub.

    Travel will need to be kept to an absolute minimum.

  66. Harpers Hair says:

    More and more it seems the regular season won’t be completed and the league will move straight to the playoffs.

    Apparently 16 and 24 team playoffs are being discussed.

  67. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: I don’t expect this at all.

    I expect 4 hub cities to start, one per division, with two of the four designated as the conference hub, and one of those two as the SCF hub.

    Home and away?Wut?No way is that much travel going to be allowed.

    Where do you think the hub cities will be?

    BC and Edmonton have very low rates of infection.

    Ontario and Quebec are write offs so you’re looking at US cities.

    Which ones?

  68. Scungilli Slushy says:

    A big part of deciding how to precede with the Covid issue is that there is a lot of cross talk about what is germaine about risk.

    Since very early days we know a lot. Now we know a lot more.

    For the vast majority of people Covid is a mild ‘disease’, if they even know they have it.

    The concern is that is is highly transmissible, by respiratory droplets, so close contact is bad. If transmission happens too quickly, those few that are vulnerable can overwhelm the capacity to take proper care of them.

    In BC there are currently 20 Covid patients in ICU. Out of 5 million people.

    Isolated and tested people who have quarantined for the incubation period don’t need to observe physical distancing. It’s plain logic, you don’t need a medical degree or specialty to realize this.

    Professional sports teams have doctors on staff, players and coaches can be assessed daily along with all staff. Again this is just common sense.

    It is known now that children are very low risk of acquiring or transmitting Covid. Thus countries with far higher counts than Canada, probably including Ontario and Quebec who have the vast majority of cases in Canada, have put elementary aged kids back to school. This supports reopening the economy so parents can work. Very low risk.

    How careful does a province need to be? At what point does the effort to prevent harm from Covid cause more harm from the social, psychological and economic fallout? If saving lives is the goal, what if more lives are lost in the balance that aren’t Covid caused? Is that success?

    Posted for truth, and for clarity of discussion, not to encite anyone’s bias.

    CFL would be a tough one to manage coming back because of massive transient rosters, a gate driven revenue base, and low financial capacity.

    The major sports could manage it if allowed and interested.

  69. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair,

    One of Edmonton, Vancouver or Saskatoon.

    The other division in the conference has no issues… some college town in Minny, Wisconsin or the Dakotas.

    The other conference can do the Canadian maritimes with both hubs… or one there and say one in the Carolinas… N. Carolina was ahead of the game compared to most Eastern Seaboard states. Charlotte is probably out, but Winston-Salem is fine. Tennessee, outside of Nashville and Memphis is doing pretty good too.

    But there are plenty of hockey university towns in the hinterlands of the US that will work. Colorado, Montana, Idaho…The League would probably rather have an American division playing in Alaska before one of Edmonton or Vancouver.

    Keep in mind, this is solely a TV event. Time zones will matter.

    What is very unlikely to happen though, is a division playing its games in two separate cities as you have proposed.

  70. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    A big part of deciding how to precede with the Covid issue is that there is a lot of cross talk about what is germaine about risk.

    Since very early days we know a lot. Now we know a lot more.

    For the vast majority of people Covid is a mild ‘disease’, if they even know they have it.

    The concern is that is is highly transmissible, by respiratory droplets, so close contact is bad. If transmission happens too quickly, those few that are vulnerable can overwhelm the capacity to take proper care of them.

    In BC there are currently 20 Covid patients in ICU. Out of 5 million people.

    Isolated and tested people who have quarantined for the incubation period don’t need to observe physical distancing. It’s plain logic, you don’t need a medical degree or specialty to realize this.

    Professional sports teams have doctors on staff, players and coaches can be assessed daily along with all staff. Again this is just common sense.

    It is known now that children are very low risk of acquiring or transmitting Covid. Thus countries with far higher counts than Canada, probably including Ontario and Quebec who have the vast majority of cases in Canada, have put elementary aged kids back to school. This supports reopening the economy so parents can work. Very low risk.

    How careful does a province need to be? At what point does the effort to prevent harm from Covid cause more harm from the social, psychological and economic fallout? If saving lives is the goal, what if more lives are lost in the balance that aren’t Covid caused? Is that success?

    Posted for truth, and for clarity of discussion, not to encite anyone’s bias.

    CFL would be a tough one to manage coming back because of massive transient rosters, a gate driven revenue base, and low financial capacity.

    The major sports could manage it if allowed and interested.

    CFL Commissioner Randy Ambrosie appeared before a Commons committee today and effectively wrote off the 2020 season.

    The real danger is that the league may never come back since season ticket holders, who skew to the elderly, might never return.

    Given that only Edmonton, Saskatchewan, Calgary and Winnipeg are consistently profitable there’s a very real chance the league is finished.

    Sorry Mrs. Lowetide.

  71. Harpers Hair says:

    82% of Covid deaths in Canada are linked to long term care facilities for the elderly.

    This has tremendous implications going forward.

    https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/05/07/82-of-canadas-covid-19-deaths-have-been-in-long-term-care.html

  72. N64 says:

    Munny:
    Harpers Hair,

    One of Edmonton, Vancouver or Saskatoon.

    The other division in the conference has no issues… some college town in Minny, Wisconsin or the Dakotas.

    The other conference can do the Canadian maritimes with both hubs… or one there and say one in the Carolinas… N. Carolina was ahead of the game compared to most Eastern Seaboard states.Charlotte is probably out, but Winston-Salem is fine.Tennessee, outside of Nashville and Memphis is doing pretty good too.

    But there are plenty of hockey university towns in the hinterlands of the US that will work.Colorado, Montana, Idaho…The League would probably rather have an American division playing in Alaska before one of Edmonton or Vancouver.

    Keep in mind, this is solely a TV event. Time zones will matter.

    What is very unlikely to happen though, is a division playing its games in two separate cities as you have proposed.

    If they they find any specific plan the PA will agree to I don’t think it will involve any border crossings. Doubt it’s 4 Canadian venues. So most likely would be 4 US.

  73. Munny says:

    N64: So most likely would be 4 US.

    That is a very definite possibility.

  74. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: 82% of Covid deaths in Canada are linked to long term care facilities for the elderly

    So far.

    Plenty of data yet to gather.

    We know so little that’s for sure about this disease, it’s ridic… but also unsurprising since it has been only 5 months.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Harpers Hair,

    One of Edmonton, Vancouver or Saskatoon.

    The other division in the conference has no issues… some college town in Minny, Wisconsin or the Dakotas.

    The other conference can do the Canadian maritimes with both hubs… or one there and say one in the Carolinas… N. Carolina was ahead of the game compared to most Eastern Seaboard states.Charlotte is probably out, but Winston-Salem is fine.Tennessee, outside of Nashville and Memphis is doing pretty good too.

    But there are plenty of hockey university towns in the hinterlands of the US that will work.Colorado, Montana, Idaho…The League would probably rather have an American division playing in Alaska before one of Edmonton or Vancouver.

    Keep in mind, this is solely a TV event. Time zones will matter.

    What is very unlikely to happen though, is a division playing its games in two separate cities as you have proposed.

    It won’t be Saskatoon or a college/university hockey area – the league has already stated expressly that the games would only be played in NHL cities as the other locations (even in places like North Dakota, etc.) don’t have the “behind the scenes” infrastructure that would be required.

  76. N64 says:

    Munny: Fucking chickens. Knew they’ve always had it in for us.

    It’s the cattle that do the damage.

    Based on the last 4 days Calgary’s time to double is back up to 2 months.Edmonton and BC have been at 4 and 3 months for a while. Western Canada as a whole is in a good position to resume work and private life, prevent big flareups and tamp them down quickly.

  77. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Actually the League has been less than “express” on this issue. The Chicago Herald was reporting just a few days ago that the League is only considering “neutral sites”.

    A week earlier, PA Prez Fehr explicitly stated, “No sites had been discussed” as of yet.

    I’d suggest that this is a moving target, at best.

    And considering we are talking about a dynamic… any other approach would be impractical.

    If the League needs to go to a college town to host a playoff series because major metropolitan centres won’t allow it or can’t do it… they will.

  78. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: It won’t be Saskatoon or a college/university hockey area – the league has already stated expressly that the games would only be played in NHL cities as the other locations (even in places like North Dakota, etc.) don’t have the “behind the scenes” infrastructure that would be required.

    Not to mention, the OP was asking for my opinion… were you not the one excoriating a poster yesterday for expanding a topic into realms you had not intended?

    Please offer others the same courtesy you demand for yourself.

  79. Munny says:

    N64: It’s the cattle that do the damage.

    I dunno, man. That’s exactly what the fucking chickens said.

  80. Munny says:

    Wikipedia article on the History of Smallpox*:

    Second sentence:

    The earliest credible evidence of smallpox is found in the Egyptian mummies of people who died some 3,000 years ago.

    First sentence of third heading (intro included):

    Smallpox is exogenous to Africa. One of the oldest records of what may have been an encounter with smallpox in Africa is associated with the elephant war circa AD 568…

    lol
    _____

    *N64 and his war on cattle—despite the evidence of Swine flu, Bird flu, Bat flu etc—made me think that the Smallpox virus would let him off the butcher’s hook. But that rabbit hole did not lead to the cowshed.

  81. RonnieB says:

    Harpers Hair: Horgan wrote to Bettman yesterday offering Vancouver as a hub city.
    I’ll expect you’ll see both Edmonton and Vancouver as hub cities with the Canucks playing in Edmonton and the Oilers in Vancouver so neither has home ice advantage.

    Based on standings % and intra-division playoffs, the Oilers and Canucks would finish 2nd and 3rd in the Pacific and meet in the 1st round so that wouldn’t work.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: CFL Commissioner Randy Ambrosie appeared before a Commons committee today and effectively wrote off the 2020 season.

    The real danger is that the league may never come back since season ticket holders, who skew to the elderly, might never return.

    Given that only Edmonton, Saskatchewan, Calgary and Winnipeg are consistently profitable there’s a very real chance the league is finished.

    Sorry Mrs. Lowetide.

    Mrs. Lowetide has nothing to worry about. The NHL started out as a 4 team league and thrived. The Western teams are going to be able to continue operations. C’est Lavie about the East but that’s progress.

    Otherwise you end up with Super Bowl DCCLXVIII.

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909: Mrs. Lowetide has nothing to worry about. The NHL started out as a 4 team league and thrived. The Western teams are going to be able to continue operations. C’est Lavie about the East but that’s progress.

    Otherwise you end up with Super Bowl DCCLXVIII.

    Toronto will probably end up with an NFL team in that case. Pretty sure MTL could support NFL too.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Actually the League has been less than “express” on this issue.The Chicago Herald was reporting just a few days ago that the League is only considering “neutral sites”.

    A week earlier, PA Prez Fehr explicitly stated, “No sites had been discussed” as of yet.

    I’d suggest that this is a moving target, at best.

    And considering we are talking about a dynamic… any other approach would be impractical.

    If the League needs to go to a college town to host a playoff series because major metropolitan centres won’t allow it or can’t do it… they will.

    Yes, the league was looking in to neutral sites a little bit ago but then they said expressly that they wouldn’t work and gave reasons for them – the league expressly scrapped that idea around April 22.

    Sorry, not trying to be an ass here – I know that was your opinion and I was responding to it by providing information that the league has already put the kibosh on it.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Not to mention, the OP was asking for my opinion… were you not the one excoriating a poster yesterday for expanding a topic into realms you had not intended?

    Please offer others the same courtesy you demand for yourself.

    My post was right on the topic – where NHL games may be played this year.

    I believe your issue is that my post went against your opinion.

    I would have thought that fact that the NHL has said the neutral site games are not an option would have been welcome information but it seems not.

  86. N64 says:

    Munny: So far.

    Plenty of data yet to gather.

    We know so little that’s for sure about this disease, it’s ridic… but also unsurprising since it has been only 5 months.

    BC and AB are at 3 deaths per 100K, Ontario at 11, and Quebec at 32 with 60% of all deaths being in Quebec, That’s a lot of Quebec nursing homes deaths driving that.Italy’s 50 per 100K is not out of reach for Quebec. The sobering thing is that 0.5-1.0% IFR at 50% infected would be 300-600 deaths per 100K.

    So yeah, Munny, early going IF we are going there at all. At this point AB CFR is 3.2% for whole pop and for 60-70 vs 15.1% for 70-80 and 38.8% for 80+. So we can certainly state lots of the deaths are very elderly and that high infection rates in long term care skew things. But even with that the estimated fatality AVERAGES (e.g. 0.5-1.0%) are roughly what to expect for 60-70.

    Timing is also huge. Edmonton seniors places had 1 outbreak vs Calgary’s 15. Most of those cases were already baked in when a lot of things changed inside and out, but that spared Edmonton seniors. And those Calgary seniors outbreaks directly seeded the High River outbreak.

  87. N64 says:

    Munny: *N64 and his war on cattle—despite the evidence of Swine flu, Bird flu, Bat flu etc—made me think that the Smallpox virus would let him off the butcher’s hook. But that rabbit hole did not lead to the cowshed.

    Well, the chickens also needed a lot of Jedi mind tricks to cause those BC outbreaks.

  88. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: My post was right on the topic – where NHL games may be played this year.

    I believe your issue is that my post went against your opinion.

    I would have thought that fact that the NHL has said the neutral site games are not an option would have been welcome information but it seems not.

    Actually no. I thought you were out of line on the prior thread and seized the first opportunity to point out how your standards appear to be different for yourself than for other posters.

    It doesn’t matter to me if your opinion differs from mine, especially on such a speculative exercise. Nor does the NHL doing something completely different really matter.

    Not to mention you sometimes disagree when you are really agreeing, and you sometimes completely misconstrue or misunderstand posts.

    HH had put forward his proposal. He asked for mine. I gave it. The only thing up for dispute is whether or not it is my opinion, or whose proposal would work better.

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