Helpless

by Lowetide

The song begins with a forlorn electric guitar (Stephen Stills volume pedal and tremolo) making the most lonesome sound—words and music combine for perfect melancholy. It is Neil Young’s coming of age song “Helpless”, about Omemee, Ontario and his childhood. It could be any town or neighbourhood in Canada, and the story is universal. I love all Neil Young songs, my wife only one: Helpless.

A lot of Canada flows from Ontario province. Pisses people off to say it, but it’s true all the same. Welcome to my look at the OHL for the 2020 draft.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

THE OHL’S GREATEST HITS

  1. LC Quinton Byfield. August 2002, he is 6.04, 215.
  2. LC Marco Rossi. Posting jaw-dropping numbers, he’s a September 2001.
  3. RHD Jamie Drysdale. Great speed, passing and instincts, instant offense.
  4. LC Cole Perfetti. January 2002. His wrist shot is already a great weapon.
  5. RW Jack Quinn. He is a September 2001, kept scoring goals all year.
  6. RC Jacob Perreault. Skates well, great shot, great numbers. April 2002
  7. LC Jan Mysak. June 2002, very skilled and is effective in all three disciplines.
  8. RC Tyson Foerster Great offensive weapon, quick release and accurate.
  9. RC Jean-Luc Foudy Speedy center with plus skill, he’s a May 2002.
  10. RW Luke Evangelista. Spiked in a big way this year. Feb 2002
  11. LW Martin Chromiak. Not certain if he’s getting zoomed by Shane Wright. He looks substantial.
  12. LD Ryan O’Rourke. Good size (6.02, 181) and growing offensive ability.
  13. RC Jaromir Pytlik. He’s a fine skater and has two-way skills, Sept 2001
  14. LW Will Cuylle Has a great shot.
  15. LC Antonio Stranges Terrific speed and skill, math doesn’t match the verbal. Feb 2002
  16. G Nico Daws. His numbers in a good league have him here.
  17. RW Brandon Coe. Power forward scored 25 goals in the OHL.
  18. RC Tyler Tullio. Small playmaking pivot. Good passer, great shot.
  19. RC Zayde Wisdom. May 2002 just shy of a point per game in the OHL.
  20. LW Pavel Gogolev, Guelph Storm. Now 20, he is fast and has a great shot.
  21. LC Evan Vierling. Playmaking center spiked after trade. Excellent passer.
  22. LW James Hardie. Volume shooter, 34 goals, one dimensional.
  23. LD Donovan Sebrango. Two-way defender, excellent skater.
  24. LW Rory Kerins. 30 goals for an April 2002 is worth drafting.
  25. RW Reid Valade. Plus speed and the complete range of skills.
  26. LW Yevgeni Oksentyuk. Overage is small and very skilled.
  27. RW Oliver Suni. Strong winger with range of skills.
  28. LD Isaak Phillips. Big, mobile blue.
  29. RW Declan McDonell. Fine skater, skilled. Room to grow.
  30. RD Jack Thompson. Mobile offensive defender with plus shot.

I have 21 OHL names on the top 100 published April 22. The other nine names here are all worthy of consideration for the final top 120. The OHL has a tremendous crop in 2020. The Oilers would do well to grab at least one of these names.

2019 OHL LIST

  1. L Arthur Kaliyev, Hamilton. He scored 51-51-102 in 67 OHL games, age 17.
  2. LC Connor McMichael, London. He has good speed and lots of skill, effective shot.
  3. LD Thomas Harley, Mississauga. Good size, elite skater, he’s an August 2001.
  4. LC Ryan Suzuki, Barrie. Great vision, skill, tremendous passer. If he were faster, he’d be top five.
  5. RC Philip Tomasino, Niagra. Underrated player with impressive skill, 30 5-on-5 goals.
  6. L Nick Robertson, Peterborough. Undersized skill winger with a sixth sense as a goal scorer.
  7. LC Blake Murray, Sudbury. Big center with plus speed and a scoring touch.
  8. LC Jamieson Rees, Sarnia. Undersized skill forward, terrific speed and a great motor.
  9. L Ethan Keppen, Flint. Good speed, size (6.02, 214) and skill (30-29-59 in 68).
  10. RD Billy Constantinou, Kingston. Fast as lightning, high risk and reward defender.
  11. R Graeme Clarke, Ottawa ’67s (OHL). Pure scorer. Good skater, great shot.
  12. L Nando Eggenberger, Oshawa Generals. I’m not sure anyone will take him, but Red Line loves him.
  13. G Hunter Jones, Peterborough. He’s a big goalie who has a solid reputation, .902SP.
  14. 14 LD Vladislav Kolyachonok, Flint Firebirds. Good passer, massive wingspan.
  15. LC Matvei Guskov, London Knights. Another solid two-way center, I like his complete skill set.
  16. LD Mike Vukojevic, Kitchener. Big man, good speed, powerful shutdown type.
  17. LD Nikita Okhotyuk, Ottawa 67’s. Big defender plays a two-way game.
  18. R Cole Schwindt, Mississauga. Two-wing forward with some offense (68, 19-30-49).

Two names on this list didn’t get chosen a year ago (Billy Constantino and Nando Eggenberger), Constantino is a candidate to be chosen again this year.

NHLE

It’s unwise to compare players across seasons but one way of showing how many substantial offensive talents are available this year is their NHL equivalency. Here are the forwards drafted by the Oilers from the OHL since 2010, with the best of 2020 added to the mix.

  1. Connor McDavid 67.6
  2. Marco Rossi 56.8
  3. Taylor Hall 49.3
  4. Quinton Byfield 48.3
  5. Cole Perfetti 48.2
  6. Nail Yakupov 43.5

VALUE DEALS UNDER $2 MILLION IN 2020-21

Edmonton needs a pile of value deals moving forward, and it looks like there will be as many as nine on the roster next season that come in under $2 million.

I count Ethan Bear (unsigned), Josh Archibald ($1,500,000), Theodor Lennstrom ($925,000), Gaetan Haas ($915,000), Evan Bouchard ($894,167), Kailer Yamamoto ($894,166), Joakim Nygard ($875,000), Caleb Jones ($850,000) and Tyler Benson ($808,333) as possible value deals.

Andreas Athanasiou—Connor McDavid—Zack Kassian

Nuge—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto

Joakim Nygard—Riley Sheahan*—Josh Archibald *unsigned

Tyler Benson—Gaetan Haas—Alex Chiasson

James Neal**, Jujhar Khaira **possible buyout

Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson

Darnell Nurse—Ethan Bear

Caleb Jones—Evan Bouchard

Theodore Lennstrom

Mikko Koskinen, Mike Smith* *unsigned

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’ll talk the wide wide world of sports on TSN1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will join us to talk about the NHL draft plus the Oilers current roster and what is needed for next year. Joe Osborne from OddsShark will talk about KBO and other sports underway and how quickly we’ll see experts emerge in obscure sports leagues. Brian Cheeseman, Athletic Therapist for the WHL’s Edmonton Oil Kings, will tell us about keeping a hockey team going while overtimes pile up on the way to the Memorial Cup. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes to liftoff!

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BornInAGretzkyJersey

Read this on my news feed yesterday, and see his name pop up mid-way down LT’s OHL prospect list. Interesting coincidence. Should be in the range when we pick (leftorium aside).

https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-steal-ryan-orourke/

If Broberg is the new Klefbom, could O’Rourke be the new Nurse?

godot10

Four Strong Winds.

When you are helpless, you go out to Alberta, weather’s good there in the fall.

defmn

Interesting that you chose Lennstrom over Lagesson as your 7th dman.

MushedPeas

godot10:
Four Strong Winds.

When you are helpless, you go out to Alberta, weather’s good there in the fall.

+1000 🙂

jtblack

FROM THE ATHLETIC.

“Tuesday, the governing body in Ontario announced it was putting “a stop to any further planning of minor hockey tournaments” for the upcoming season. The Ontario Hockey Federation has declared all existing tournaments have been “put on hold until further notice,” and that no team will be allowed to register for tournaments inside or outside the Province. ”

PRO Sports have certain issues at hand, but lots of $$$ to find solutiions.

GRASS Roots sports, including minor hockey, may not be able to continue ….

OriginalPouzar

Kailer Yamamoto is a certainty to be a value deal next season on the last year of his ELC.

Unless we see marked regression, Caleb Jones will be a big value deal for 2 years – what a signing that was.

Evan Bouchard is highly likely to play most of his season in the NHL and I expect he provides value for his deal as well – I believe he has performance bonuses that take him up to $1.6MM (apx) potentially.

If Holland can get Bear signed for in and around $2MM for a 1-2 year term then, again, subject to regression, that is a big value deal – he was a $3MM plus player this past season.

Nygard-Haas – yup, potential for value deals but we could still be looking at tweeners there.

Lennstrom – long shot to be a “value deal” for me as I believe he’s AHL bound subject to injury pileup.

—————–

A key moving forward is to get non-ELC players on value deals – Caleb Jones is just a dynamite contract. Not sure Haas and/or Nygard will provide excess value but here is hoping.

OriginalPouzar

Also, if an injury opportunity comes early and Willie Lagesson gets a shot to play, he may prove to be every day 3LD ready and his contract, when signed, could be a value deal as well.

jtblack

“Connor McDavid 67.6
Marco Rossi 56.8
Taylor Hall 49.3
Quinton Byfield 48.3
Cole Perfetti 48.2
Nail Yakupov 43.5”

DOES CONNOR have the All time high NHL E?

godot10

jtblack:
“Connor McDavid 67.6
Marco Rossi 56.8
Taylor Hall 49.3
Quinton Byfield 48.3
Cole Perfetti 48.2
Nail Yakupov 43.5”

DOES CONNOR have the All time high NHL E?

Mario Lemieux’s last year in junior.
70 games, 133 goals, 282 points

Even discounting the Q at that point in time, that has to have a higher NHLE, methinks.

jtblack

“Edmonton needs a pile of value deals moving forward, and …… ”

Edm looks well positioned for Value deals AND some of those will be IMPACT Value deals. YAMMY – Impact. BOUCHARD – ? JONES – maybe. BENSON – maybe.

THE new way forward is a well stocked pipeline. Teams that have quality cheap labor, mostly impactful Entry Level players; will have a big advantage over those that don’t.

jtblack

godot10: Mario Lemieux’s last year in junior.
70 games, 133 goals, 282 points

Even discounting the Q at that point in time, that has to have a higher NHLE, methinks.

I dont know when NHL E came into use and / or if it can be applied historically.

I WAS thinking Crosby would be high as well.

Super Mario had Video game numbers ……

ArmchairGM

“A lot of Canada flows from Ontario province. Pisses people off to say it, but it’s true all the same.”

I had a good laugh at this. So true.

Material Elvis

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Read this on my news feed yesterday, and see his name pop up mid-way down LT’s OHL prospect list.Interesting coincidence.Should be in the range when we pick (leftorium aside).

https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-steal-ryan-orourke/

If Broberg is the new Klefbom, could O’Rourke be the new Nurse?

A reach pick to draft a kid who plays the one position that the Oilers are stacked with current pros and solid prospects? This draft has a strong forward crop and the Oilers need skill forward prospects at all positions. Maybe if he was there in the second round and the team actually had a second round pick he would be a consideration, but I would still prefer they draft another forward in round two.

godot10

godot10: Mario Lemieux’s last year in junior.
70 games, 133 goals, 282 points

Even discounting the Q at that point in time, that has to have a higher NHLE, methinks.

Wayne Gretzky at 16.
64 games 60 goals 182 points

ArmchairGM

Material Elvis: A reach pick to draft a kid who plays the one position that the Oilers are stacked with current pros and solid prospects?This draft has a strong forward crop and the Oilers need skill forward prospects at all positions.Maybe if he was there in the second round and the team actually had a second round pick he would be a consideration, but I would still prefer they draft another forward in round two.

+1

JimmyV1965

jtblack:
FROM THE ATHLETIC.

“Tuesday, the governing body in Ontario announced it was putting “a stop to any further planning of minor hockey tournaments” for the upcoming season. The Ontario Hockey Federation has declared all existing tournaments have been “put on hold until further notice,” and that no team will be allowed to register for tournaments inside or outside the Province. ”

PRO Sports have certain issues at hand, but lots of $$$ to find solutiions.

GRASS Roots sports, including minor hockey, may not be able to continue ….

I can’t help but think we’re going off the rails here. I think a teenager with no underlying health conditions is more likely to get killed driving around with his buddies than a Covid related death.

OriginalPouzar

Sounds like Pit speculating they won’t be able to keep both Jarry and Murray – both RFAs.

I had been hoping for a trade for DeSmith as it was clear that PIT couldn’t keep all three and I don’t think DeSmith would clear waivers (again).

As far as Murray and Jarry – both would be solid solid gets by the Oilers but it seems unlikely.

I would think they’d likely want to keep Jarry and trade Murray – even taking aside acquisition cost, Murray was at just under $4M last year and, frankly, I don’t think the Oilers can spend over $3M on the 1B (and even $3M is a stretch).

Jarry may be willing to sign around that $3M mark but I think they would want to keep him and the acquisition cost may be more.

hunter1909

godot10: Wayne Gretzky at 16.
64 games 60 goals 182 points

Gretzky’s NHLE was winning the Art Ross trophy lol

N64

JimmyV1965: I can’t help but think we’re going off the rails here. I think a teenager with no underlying health conditions is more likely to get killed driving around with his buddies than a Covid related death.

Expecting local kids baseball this summer and kids hockey in the fall. Elite team travel likely manageable. But no issue with suspending planning for tourneys for now. Any event big enough that it needs commitments now probably needs to be smaller this winter or take a break. YMMV

hunter1909

Material Elvis: A reach pick to draft a kid who plays the one position that the Oilers are stacked with current pros and solid prospects?This draft has a strong forward crop and the Oilers need skill forward prospects at all positions.Maybe if he was there in the second round and the team actually had a second round pick he would be a consideration, but I would still prefer they draft another forward in round two.

I’m a sucker for Irish players. They don’t get any more Irish with a name like that.

hunter1909

JimmyV1965: I can’t help but think we’re going off the rails here. I think a teenager with no underlying health conditions is more likely to get killed driving around with his buddies than a Covid related death.

I can name several people by name who didn’t make 20 years old.

Harpers Hair

hunter1909: I’m a sucker for Irish players. They don’t get any more Irish with a name like that.

Brogan Rafferty.

Jaxon

jtblack: I dont know when NHL E came into use and / or if it can be applied historically.

I WAS thinking Crosby would be high as well.

Super Mario had Video game numbers ……

For sure, at the very least there should be an era adjustment. Taking all the goals scored in the Q that season / all games played. I did that with my ‘Projected 5-on-5 Primary Points NHLE adjusted to age, league and era’ for the last couple of years for prospects. Crosby came out on top in my calculations. It wasn’t NHLe, but it was comprehensive in its adjustments.

Does anyone know of a site to get 5-on-5 TOI for prospects? All I can find is overall minutes and scoring for eve strength (which includes 4-on-4 and 3-on-3, which I believe can inflate numbers as well). I was using prospects-stats.com, which closed last August when it’s owner got a job with the Kings (I think). There is pick224 but it doesn’t do 5-on-5 as a separate item. So combining all my old data with this won’t work. 🙁

Here are the top 70 since 2005, with over 13.72 5-on-5 TOI per game:
YEAR – Name – “AGE & ERA ADJ
NHLE 5-on-5 P1
@TOP6TOI”
1 2005 – Sidney Crosby – 48.18
2 2015 – Connor McDavid – 44.02
3 2018 – Andrei Svechnikov – 38.80
4 2015 – Mitchell Marner – 37.49
5 2015 – Dylan Strome – 36.80
6 2014 – Robby Fabbri – 33.93
7 2007 – Patrick Kane – 32.41
8 2013 – Nathan MacKinnon – 30.49
9 2014 – Sam Bennett – 30.15
10 2014 – Spencer Watson – 30.10
11 2010 – Taylor Hall – 29.83
12 2013 – Nicolas Petan – 29.48
13 2016 – Pierre-Luc Dubois – 29.43
14 2016 – Alex DeBrincat – 29.20
15 2016 – Cameron Morrison – 29.13
16 2016 – Adam Mascherin – 29.04
17 2008 – Steven Stamkos – 28.87
18 2009 – Scott Glennie – 28.83
19 2018 – Oliver Wahlstrom – 28.79
20 2013 – Jonathan Drouin – 28.62
21 2010 – Tyler Seguin – 28.53
22 2019 – Philip Tomasino – 28.348
23 2011 – Ryan Strome – 28.11
24 2006 – Chris Stewart – 28.11
25 2009 – Evander Kane – 28.10
26 2005 – Bobby Ryan – 28.02
27 2017 – Owen Tippett – 27.81
28 2018 – Jonathan Gruden – 27.62
29 2019 – Cole Caufield – 27.357
30 2017 – Nick Suzuki – 26.98
31 2009 – John Tavares – 26.74
32 2010 – Tyler Toffoli – 26.72
33 2014 – Nick Ritchie – 26.42
34 2014 – Nikolaj Ehlers – 26.06
35 2008 – Tyler Ennis – 26.04
36 2014 – Leon Draisaitl – 25.93
37 2005 – Evan Brophey – 25.73
38 2016 – Clayton Keller – 25.67
39 2019 – Dylan Cozens – 25.395
40 2014 – Chase De Leo – 25.38
41 2019 – Bobby Brink – 25.347
42 2017 – Gabriel Vilardi – 25.35
43 2011 – Boone Jenner – 25.32
44 2016 – Boris Katchouk – 25.28
45 2019 – Arthur Kaliyev – 25.251
46 2005 – Cal O’Reilly – 25.24
47 2011 – Shane Prince – 25.13
48 2016 – Kieffer Bellows – 25.13
49 2011 – Gabriel Landeskog – 25.12
50 2008 – Jordan Eberle – 25.12
51 2011 – Sven BArtschi – 25.09
52 2019 – Connor McMichael – 25.078
53 2016 – Matthew Tkachuk – 25.03
54 2014 – Josh Ho-Sang – 24.95
55 2010 – Brad Ross – 24.95
56 2005 – Gilbert Brule – 24.77
57 2011 – Alexander Khokhlachev – 24.74
58 2008 – Joshua Bailey – 24.57
59 2011 – Dylan Wruck – 24.43
60 2014 – Michael Dal Colle – 24.38
61 2012 – Mikhail Grigorenko – 24.36
62 2011 – Jonathan Huberdeau – 24.36
63 2017 – Cody Glass – 24.34
64 2010 – Ryan Spooner – 24.15
65 2016 – Vitalii Abramov – 24.06
66 2014 – Nikolay Goldobin – 24.06
67 2018 – Filip Zadina – 23.90
68 2017 – Kailer Yamamoto – 23.85
69 2010 – Jeff Skinner – 23.73
70 2018 – Serron Noel – 23.70

JimmyV1965

N64: Expecting local kids baseball this summer and kids hockey in the fall. Elite team travel likely manageable. But no issue with suspending planning for tourneys for now. Any event big enough that it needs to be planned now probably needs to be smaller this winter or take a break. YMMV

It’s all about managing risk. Clearly all the participants in the tournaments have an almost minuscule risk of contracting Covid and then passing away. So what we’re doing here is scrapping these tournaments to protect the older people organizing the events and physically running the events. At some point we have to resume life. People truly at risk of Covid, and all the people in their lives, need to determine how they will manage the very serious risk to their health. At some point, the government will have to stop doing this for them.

The lockdowns were intended to flatten the curve and reduce the impact on the health care system. I don’t think banning a midget hockey tournament eight months from now fits this criteria. It’s easy for governments at all levels to ban events. What’s not so easy is to protect seniors living in old age homes. Still waiting to hear how this is going to happen.

JimmyV1965

hunter1909: I can name several people by name who didn’t make 20 years old.

I don’t think I’m alone in this, but I could cry myself to sleep every night thinking about the very close family and friends I’ve lost to vehicle collisions, most of them very young.

Munny

JimmyV1965,

No one knows what Covid will be like in the Autumn. No one knows whether or not there will be a renewed need for flattening the curve. And no one knows how or when the government will relax rules on public gatherings.

It would be risky and expensive to plan as if it will be business as usual next hockey season. These tournament planners are acting based on the need for prudence.

Munny

JimmyV1965: People truly at risk of Covid, and all the people in their lives, need to determine how they will manage the very serious risk to their health. At some point, the government will have to stop doing this for them.

And this is not possible while there are shortages of the things people need to protect themselves. Addressing these production and supply issues takes time. I think we should perhaps take that time before going societal full monty.

Harpers Hair

The Burnaby Winter Club (Nuge’s home rink) has announced it is opening for on ice workouts involving a maximum of four players who must dress at home and only put their skates on before taking the ice.

It’s something.

Later today BC Premier John Horgan will announce a limited re-opening of the BC economy since the province has been so successful at limiting the outbreak.

JimmyV1965

Munny:
JimmyV1965,

No one knows what Covid will be like in the Autumn. No one knows whether or not there will be a renewed need for flattening the curve. And no one knows how or when the government will relax rules on public gatherings.

It would be risky and expensive to plan as if it will be business as usual next hockey season.These tournament planners are acting based on the need for prudence.

I totally understand if people organizing an individual event eight months from now look at the risks and decide to cancel. I think we’ve lost the plot if any governing body announces a complete ban on particular events. We have no idea if we will need to flatten the curve in let’s say December.

JimmyV1965

Munny: And this is not possible while there are shortages of the things people need to protect themselves.Addressing these production and supply issues takes time.I think we should perhaps take that time before going societal full monty.

I’m not sure this is true. The best way to protect people at risk is self isolating. I’m not sure what other equipment is needed. Masks are now available. If someone can’t buy a mask, they can certainly make one.

And I’m not saying we should just open up everything. I’m saying people need to manage their risk, just like they do for everything else. And I’m not sure blanket restrictions are now needed to flatten the curve. And this is the reason they were implemented.

I really think we’ve lost the plot with blanket restrictions for events where the participants have a minuscule risk of dying.

Darth Tu

Harpers Hair: Brogan Rafferty.

Boris Rachmaninoff

Munny

JimmyV1965,

As was said in the thread above, it has nothing to do with the participants. And effective masks (true N95), hand sanitizer, even bleach are not readily available.

In fact, as someone who has been a prolific user of hand sanitizer for over 10 years, I’m kind of pissed off at the rest of y’all, lol.

Darth Tu

Jaxon: For sure, at the very least there should be an era adjustment. Taking all the goals scored in the Q that season / all games played. I did that with my ‘Projected 5-on-5 Primary Points NHLE adjusted to age, league and era’ for the last couple of years for prospects. Crosby came out on top in my calculations. It wasn’t NHLe, but it was comprehensive in its adjustments.

Does anyone know of a site to get 5-on-5 TOI for prospects? All I can find is overall minutes and scoring for eve strength (which includes 4-on-4 and 3-on-3, which I believe can inflate numbers as well). I was using prospects-stats.com, which closed last August when it’s owner got a job with the Kings (I think). There is pick224 but it doesn’t do 5-on-5 as a separate item. So combining all my old data with this won’t work.

Here are the top 70 since 2005, with over 13.72 5-on-5 TOI per game:YEAR–Name–“AGE & ERA ADJ
NHLE 5-on-5 P1
@TOP6TOI”
12005–Sidney Crosby–48.18
22015–Connor McDavid–44.02
32018–Andrei Svechnikov–38.80
42015–Mitchell Marner–37.49
52015–Dylan Strome–36.80
62014–Robby Fabbri–33.93
72007–Patrick Kane–32.41
82013–Nathan MacKinnon–30.49
92014–Sam Bennett–30.15
102014–Spencer Watson–30.10
112010–Taylor Hall–29.83
122013–Nicolas Petan–29.48
132016–Pierre-Luc Dubois–29.43
142016–Alex DeBrincat–29.20
152016–Cameron Morrison–29.13
162016–Adam Mascherin–29.04
172008–Steven Stamkos–28.87
182009–Scott Glennie–28.83
192018–Oliver Wahlstrom–28.79
202013–Jonathan Drouin–28.62
212010–Tyler Seguin–28.53
222019–Philip Tomasino–28.348
232011–Ryan Strome–28.11
242006–Chris Stewart–28.11
252009–Evander Kane–28.10
262005–Bobby Ryan–28.02
272017–Owen Tippett–27.81
282018–Jonathan Gruden–27.62
292019–Cole Caufield–27.357
302017–Nick Suzuki–26.98
312009–John Tavares–26.74
322010–TylerToffoli–26.72
332014–NickRitchie–26.42
342014–Nikolaj Ehlers–26.06
352008–Tyler Ennis–26.04
362014–LeonDraisaitl–25.93
372005–Evan Brophey–25.73
382016–Clayton Keller–25.67
392019–Dylan Cozens–25.395
402014–Chase De Leo–25.38
412019–Bobby Brink–25.347
422017–Gabriel Vilardi–25.35
432011–Boone Jenner–25.32
442016–Boris Katchouk–25.28
452019–Arthur Kaliyev–25.251
462005–Cal O’Reilly–25.24
472011–Shane Prince–25.13
482016–Kieffer Bellows–25.13
492011–Gabriel Landeskog–25.12
502008–Jordan Eberle–25.12
512011–Sven BArtschi–25.09
522019–Connor McMichael–25.078
532016–Matthew Tkachuk–25.03
542014–Josh Ho-Sang–24.95
552010–Brad Ross–24.95
562005–Gilbert Brule–24.77
572011–Alexander Khokhlachev–24.74
582008–Joshua Bailey–24.57
592011–Dylan Wruck–24.43
602014–Michael Dal Colle–24.38
612012–Mikhail Grigorenko–24.36
622011–Jonathan Huberdeau–24.36
632017–Cody Glass–24.34
642010–RyanSpooner–24.15
652016–Vitalii Abramov–24.06
662014–Nikolay Goldobin–24.06
672018–Filip Zadina–23.90
682017–Kailer Yamamoto–23.85
692010–JeffSkinner–23.73
702018–Serron Noel–23.70

That’s quite the list. Nuts how many of the players are either current Oilers players, or have been Oilers at some point in their career, and yet, limited success in the time frame.

Munny

Darth Tu: Boris Rachmaninoff

His brother Sergei was a wicked good pianist.

defmn

Lowetide’s proposed lineup of the day with numbers.

Athanasiou— McDavid— Kassian – $18,700,000 with AA at $3M

Nuge—Leon Draisaitl— Yamamoto – $12,394,166

Nygard— Sheahan*— Archibald – $3,375000 with Sheahan at $1M

Benson— Haas— Chiasson – $3,873,333

Neal, Khaira- $6,950,000

Klefbom— Larsson – $8,333,666

Nurse— Bear – $7,100,000 with Bear at $1.5M

Jones— Bouchard – $1,744,167

Lennstrom – $925,000

Koskinen, Smith- $6,500,000 with Smith signed at $2M

14 forwards at $48,292,499
7 dmen at $17,177,833
2 goalies at $6,500,000
3 buyouts at $4,583,333
1 cap overage for Smith at $1,000,000

Total – $78,478,665

Is this a playoff team even if they don’t buy out Neal but add a 3C instead of Sheahan or Haas?

Harpers Hair

Munny: His brother Sergei was a wicked good pianist.

And his cousin Adolf was a splendid ballroom dancer.

Harpers Hair

A great article explaining how the SJS has responded to the shutdown and potential re-opening scenarios.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/29135803/one-nhl-team-plans-reopening-arenas

jp

defmn:
Lowetide’s proposed lineup of the day with numbers.

Athanasiou— McDavid— Kassian– $18,700,000 with AA at $3M

Nuge—Leon Draisaitl— Yamamoto – $12,394,166

Nygard— Sheahan*— Archibald – $3,375000 with Sheahan at $1M

Benson— Haas— Chiasson – $3,873,333

Neal,Khaira- $6,950,000

Klefbom— Larsson – $8,333,666

Nurse— Bear – $7,100,000 with Bear at $1.5M

Jones— Bouchard – $1,744,167

Lennstrom – $925,000

Koskinen, Smith- $6,500,000 with Smith signed at $2M

14 forwards at $48,292,499
7 dmen at $17,177,833
2 goalies at $6,500,000
3 buyouts at $4,583,333
1 cap overage for Smith at $1,000,000

Total – $78,478,665

Is this a playoff team even if they don’t buy out Neal but add a 3C instead of Sheahan or Haas?

Yes I think that’s most probably a playoff team with a better 3C added. Not a certainty (and the D depth/injury cover is non-existent) but most likely.

Of all the things Holland might want to do with the Oilers roster between now and the start of next season, I suspect an upgrade at 3C tops the list.

OriginalPouzar

jtblack:
“Edmonton needs a pile of value deals moving forward, and …… ”

Edm looks well positioned for Value deals AND some of those will be IMPACT Value deals.YAMMY – Impact.BOUCHARD – ? JONES – maybe. BENSON – maybe.

THE new way forward is a well stocked pipeline.Teams that have quality cheap labor, mostly impactful Entry Level players; will have a big advantage over those that don’t.

Yup, value deals where players out-perform their cap hits are key to building championship teams, in particular if there are some super-elites that have large cap numbers and an anchor contract or two.

The key is to have a few of those value deals but limit the anchor contracts to zero. Milan Lucic’s anchor still remains on the cap.

duct tape and foil

3C and 1bG are the obvious places to upgrade. Replace Sheahan with let’s say Zacha and that is a big upgrade. Zacha can also PK very well. Need to keep improving speed and two-way play in the bottom six. Standing pat mean falling behind.

The goalie need has many options and people forget Holland was a goaler. I trust him to figure it out as he did this year. Nice to finally have pros running the team.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: Yup, value deals where players out-perform their cap hits are key to building championship teams, in particular if there are some super-elites that have large cap numbers and an anchor contract or two.

The key is to have a few of those value deals but limit the anchor contracts to zero. Milan Lucic’s anchor still remains on the cap.

And Pouliot and Sekera are still eating up almost $4 million in cap space.

barry.moore23

I thought you meant this Helpless :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF4uH6qY_pQ

More Metallica !!!!!

Happy Wednesday everyone.

jp
PennersPancakes

Harpers Hair: And Pouliot and Sekera are still eating up almost $4 million in cap space.

4.58 in dead space between Pouliot, Sekera, and Lucic next season. At least it drops to 2.25 for 21-22 but yeah still hurts.

I hated the Pouliot buyout but could understand the Sekera one as much as it hurt.

jp

duct tape and foil:
Replace Sheahan with let’s say Zacha and that is a big upgrade. Zacha can also PK very well. Need to keep improving speed and two-way play in the bottom six. Standing pat mean falling behind.

I imagine everyone would like Holland to bring in a long-term solution for 3C. That kind of player costs significant assets though, and I also wonder if the expansion draft factors in here.

Bringing in a Derek Ryan, Brandon Sutter or Carl Soderberg type for one year fills that slot capably without major assets going out. And you haven’t just added a player it would hurt to lose a year down the line.

I agree Pavel Zacha would be a great add to the team but I’m not sure he’s a smart add at this point.

jp

Harpers Hair: And Pouliot and Sekera are still eating up almost $4 million in cap space.

Is there anywhere that lists the dead cap space each team has?

Paying for Lucic, Pouliot and Sekera certainly hurts. The Oilers aren’t unique though, most teams have some degree of dead cap (Luongo, Spooner and Baertschi, for example).

PennersPancakes

jp: Is there anywhere that lists the dead cap space each team has?

https://puckpedia.com/index.php/DeadCap

Only disclaimer is that this is only retained and buyouts. Buried contracts arent included so no Svens and no Alzners are included in the numbers.

Harpers Hair

jp: Is there anywhere that lists the dead cap space each team has?

Paying for Lucic, Pouliot and Sekera certainly hurts. The Oilers aren’t unique though, most teams have some degree of dead cap (Luongo, Spooner and Baertschi, for example).

Cap Friendly
has it down at the bottom of each team’s page.

And you forgot Loui Eriksson.

jp

PennersPancakes: https://puckpedia.com/index.php/DeadCap

Only disclaimer is that this is only retained and buyouts. Buried contracts arent included so no Svens and no Alzners are included in the numbers.

Thanks.