Moving Day

by Lowetide

At the 2010 draft, Edmonton general manager Steve Tambellini wanted to move out some players. Names who were mentioned leading up to the week included Sheldon Souray; Ethan Moreau; Robert Nilsson; Patrick O’Sullivan plus youngster Andrew Cogliano and Riley Nash along with one goalie, either Devan Dubnyk or Jeff Deslauriers.

The main draft plan (according to reports) was to deal for a pick and then use that pick and No. 31 overall in order to move up and draft Dylan McIlrath. Edmonton couldn’t get all the way there, so dealt Riley Nash and picked Martin Marincin in the second round instead. History tells us that was a better move than the aggressive one.

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A decade of player trades at the draft

I’m always sifting through old Lowetide posts in search of new angles to talk about and came across an incredible string of draft weekend trades by Edmonton. I’m not going to rank them, but rest assured several of these are rank of the highest order.

In 2010, Tambellini traded a 2010 sixth-round pick for Colin Fraser (small move, no quarrel), Riley Nash for pick No. 46 (Martin Marincin) which represented a net loss but Nash wasn’t going to sign with Edmonton. In 2011, Tambellini spent the first round being irritated by James Duthie, who (as a reporter) asked about the pending Ryan Smyth acquisition when Edmonton selected Nuge and Klefbom. That was June 24. Fraser and a depth pick went to LAK for Smyth on June 26.

Craig MacTavish was general manager in 2013 and his draft weekend trade remains one of my favourite in team history. MacT dealt the No. 37 pick to LAK for pick 57 (which he would also trade), pick 88 (Anton Slepyshev), pick 96 (Kyle Platzer). Pick 57 was sent to St. Louis (who chose William Carrier) for picks 83 (Bogdan Yakimov), 94 (Jackson Houck) and 113 (Aidan Muir). The deal didn’t work out (for anyone, really) but I applaud the innovation.

We now arrive at the real reason for today’s post: Peter Chiarelli’s draft weekend moves. In 2015, clearly charged with turning the team’s fortunes around in a hurry, he dealt picks 16 (Mathew Barzal) and 33 (Mitchell Stephens) for Griffin Reinhart, who would eventually help as the lost pick in expansion to Vegas. A more miserable trade is difficult to imagine, although the Miro Satan deal remains No. 1 on my list for now.

Chiarelli traded 2015 pick No. 57 (Jonas Siegenthaler), 79 (Sergey Zborovskiy) and 184 (Adam Huska) for Cam Talbot and pick No. 209 (Ziyat Paigin). I was fine with that trade, then and now, Talbot was fire in the spring of 2017 and I’ll remember that year forever.

Chiarelli dealt Martin Marincin for a fourth-round pick which he then traded for Eric Gryba. I didn’t like the deal, mostly because Marincin is a player I liked, but it wasn’t a tragedy.

Edmonton hasn’t made a draft weekend trade involving players since. During the 2017 draft, the Oilers traded up to get goaltender Stuart Skinner at No. 78. The team gave up pick 82 (Cameron Crotty) and pick 126 (Michael Karow). In 2018, Edmonton traded up to No. 62 by dealing No. 71 (Jordan Harris) and No. 133 (Samuel Houde).

Tambellini’s assets

Let’s go back to that list off players who were being dangled to other NHL teams a decade ago at the 2010 draft. It’s a long list and the return, taken as a whole, borders on comedy.

  • Riley Nash: Traded to Carolina for pick used on Marincin
  • Patrick O’Sullivan: Bought out June 29, 2010
  • Ethan Moreau: Claimed by Columbus June 30, 2010
  • Patrick O’Sullivan: Traded to Arizona for Jim Vandermeer
  • Sheldon Souray: Contract buyout on June 30, 2011
  • Jeff Deslauriers: Signed free agent contract with Anaheim July 9, 2011
  • Andrew Cogliano: Traded for a 2013 second-round pick, July 12, 2011
  • Devan Dubnyk: Traded to Nashville for Matt Hendricks June 15, 2014

That’s very little return for a group that includes some fine talent. Devan Dubnyk, Andrew Cogliano, Riley Nash would play important roles for years with their new teams, Souray was a legit veteran with some more miles left in him. This is damning. Note: The Dubnyk trade was made by MacTavish.

Holland’s Assets

It’s fairly certain Ken Holland will get more via trade than Tambellini, MacTavish and Chiarelli during their time in the general manager’s chair. In just a little over one year, Holland made truly impressive deals (Lucic for Neal offed a staggering contract) and a fascinating big bet (Athanasiou) that gave up riches but has a chance to be a good fit for Oilers needs. I see the AA bet as similar to the Cam Talbot trade. Here are the Holland assets between now and the end of draft Sunday 2020:

  • R Alex Chiasson (duplicated by Kassian)
  • LD Kris Russell (exceeded by Jones)
  • RD Matt Benning (Bouchard is close or already there)
  • LC Jujhar Khaira (even strength work poor)

We’ll track this as time goes on but Holland’s work in Edmonton so far suggests he will get more than Matt Hendricks and a second-round pick for these assets. I’ll be watching with interest in the coming months.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show this morning, the band gets back together at 10, TSN1260. Jason Logan from The Score will talk golf balls not going in the damned hole at the Charles Schwab tournament this weekend, and Brandon Wile from The Score talks baseball madness at 10:40. Jason Gregor from TSN1260 gives us an Oilers and NHL update at 11. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. See you on the radio!

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jp

OriginalPouzar,

Yes that might be worth doing. I’m not on twitter but maybe someone else cares enough to ask.

OriginalPouzar

It may be worth it to reach out to them via twitter – they aren’t quite as responsive as Puckpedia but often due respond to queries.

jp

OriginalPouzar,

I know all that and agree with the interpretation. Capfriendly is normally very reliable though so I wonder if there’s something we’re missing. It very well may be just an error on their part.

OriginalPouzar

jp:
OriginalPouzar,

Capfriendly lists the Oilers holding his until 2024/age 27 though (my link above). So there seems to be a disconnect.

Capfriendly is an elite source but I will defer to the CBA wording unless its ambiguous on this one.

When he becomes a UFA will defer depending on if (and when) he comes back to the NHL.

If he doesn’t, then its when he’s 27 on June 30 of the ending season.

If he comes back this year (and stays) it’ll bump up by one year as he has 4 more NHL seasons to vest.

Section 10.1(a)(i):

Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such
League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent

An accrued season is essentially 40 games on the NHL roster – he has accrued 3.

Recall, in his 18 year old season, they send him down after the 40th game – a clear (but unofficial and unsubstantiated) verbal agreement with Jesse to vest a year.

jp

OriginalPouzar,

Capfriendly lists the Oilers holding his until 2024/age 27 though (my link above). So there seems to be a disconnect.

OriginalPouzar

jp: I’m confused now whether it’s 4 or 5 more years (though remain sure it’s not 3).

Capfriendly lists “must sign by” 2024 (while highlighting “27 yo birthday” as the reason). 2024 is 4 years away. But Puljujarvi JUST turned 22, and will only be 26 in 4 years…

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers/reserve-list

The trigger is 7 Accrued Seasons or 27 years of age on June 30 of the year the contract ends.

So, for Jesse:

– age trigger: this will be for the 2025/26 season for age – 5 more years.

– Accrued season trigger: He’s accrued 3 as as the trigger is essentially 40 games on the roster.

He’s got 5 more years at the longer but 4 more “NHL seasons” to bump it up a year by coming back.

OriginalPouzar

Jason Botterill fires in Buffalo

ArmchairGM

Reja: Me and HH had a $100 bet that we placed half-way through the season which is unpaid ( welching) . I would have let him of the hook because of the shortened season but he took such great pleasure when Mcdavid went down and was rubbing it in enough to piss me off. Then Leon the Lion emerged from the ashes to carry the team and win the hart. When Mcdavid surprisingly returned early and proceeded to blowby Mackinnon like he was standing at a bus stop in Newfiefill,all was well in Oilerland.

Hmm… this made me go and look up the stats. When McDavid went down with the quadriceps injury early February, the leaderboard looked like this:

1. Draisaitl: 55, 31-54-85 (1.55 P/GP)
2. McDavid: 55, 30-51-81 (1.47)
3. Pastrnak: 56, 38-39-77 (1.38)
4. MacKinnon: 53, 31-44-75 (1.42)
5. Panarin: 52, 27-45-72 (1.38)

When McDavid was cleared to play in late February, the leaderboard looked like this:

1. Draisaitl: 61, 35-62-97 (1.59)
2. Pastrnak: 63, 45-43-88 (1.40)
3. MacKinnon: 61, 33-51-84 (1.38)
4. Panarin: 60, 31-52-83 (1.38)
5. McDavid: 55, 30-51-81 (1.47)

Only Pastrnak seemed out of reach based on a reasonable finish from McDavid. But that’s not what happened… from his return to the end of the season, here’s how each of these 5 players produced along with their rank in the NHL during that time:

1. McDavid: 9, 4-12-16 (1.78)
6. Draisaitl: 10, 8-5-13 (1.30)
8. Panarin: 9, 1-11-12 (1.33)
28. MacKinnon: 8, 2-7-9 (1.13)
52. Pastrnak: 7, 3-4-7 9 (1.00)

BOOM. And McDavid was sick part of that time. A rested CMD who was scoring near 2 P/GP prior to the break has got to be scary for the Blackhawks.

hunter1909

Reja: I sit and wonder if Yak would have found his niche with coach Tippett

Yak could turn up at camp and blow the doors off…

Hockey Project

SkatinginSand: TSN only broadcast Oiler games as part of their former national broadcast rights. Sportsnet has had the Oilers regional rights (any games not broadcast nationally) since they got them from ITV (now Global) in the 90s.Even then, it was not that long ago that they tried the PPV ripoff, which was a well deserved disaster. TSN has regional rights for Winnipeg, Ottawa and Montreal (Toronto rights are shared by TSN and Sportsnet)All regular season games are broadcast and, IMHO, they are far superior to Sportnet’s amateur offerings.

I could be remembering wrong, but I seem to remember the Oilers games also being aired on CFRN and A-Channel in between ITV and Sportsnet.

London Jon

Hey HH, let’s lock in that bet we had pretty much nailed down that went quiet.

5 years, Bouchard vs Rafferty, regular season points as per your assertion that Rafferty would probably score more.

We were talking about £x per point over 5 years which I think you felt had too much open ended risk for you.

On reflection an amount to charity per year seems more sensible.

So I propose $75 per year to the charity of the winners choice. Bet is void for any years that a player has a serious injury that rules a player out of 25 plus games (as per your request). Shortened seasons count if 42 games or more are played.

Let’s do it.

Side

If the NHL can give awards to players based on their performance in a shortened season, what’s HH’s excuse I wonder?

maudite

OriginalPouzar: He didn’t win…..

He had more points.He was producing points at a much higher rate this season, and every season since he’s been in the league.

An honest man acknowledges the wager was lost, pays his debt and moves on.

Yeah…considering a thread or two a go he was talking about betting in P/G…

I don’t care one way or other about flip flopping trolling just for the hell of things but holy crap straight up whelch when you know for certain he’d be losing his mind if same was pulled the other way (if circumstances were reversed) followed by the absolute most garbage weighted reupping.

HH: this round is grown ass man embarrassing style.

Reja

Harpers Hair: Phhhhtttt.

Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.

Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.

Your call.

How about a side bet for $100 on the Hart trophy I’ll take lazy Leon against your man Mr. Mackinnon?

jp

jp: Fairly certain he’s Oilers property for 4 seasons after this one. It would have been 7 NHL seasons, ie- 2023, if he hadn’t departed the league but this year in Finland has coordinated the “years of service” and “age” requirements for UFA.

I’m confused now whether it’s 4 or 5 more years (though remain sure it’s not 3).

Capfriendly lists “must sign by” 2024 (while highlighting “27 yo birthday” as the reason). 2024 is 4 years away. But Puljujarvi JUST turned 22, and will only be 26 in 4 years…

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers/reserve-list

N64

leadfarmer: You are also trying to move the goalposts
Lots of witnesses on here

~ HH is observing Moving Day, again ~

[ ̄ ̄]ノ( º _ ºノ)

jp

Reja: What’s the over-under he catches Yak in goals. Yak is ahead by 45, I sit and wonder if Yak would have found his niche with coach Tippett

I think we can wonder that about every failed Oilers prospect in memory.

I’d take the over on Puljujarvi FWIW, though of course it’s not sure thing he even returns to the league.

Reja: If he signs for 3 years in Russia I believe he’ll be a free agent correct me if I’m wrong. I can see this happening unless a GM Is willing to roll a first rounder several teams have multiple picks in the first round.

Fairly certain he’s Oilers property for 4 seasons after this one. It would have been 7 NHL seasons, ie- 2023, if he hadn’t departed the league but this year in Finland has coordinated the “years of service” and “age” requirements for UFA.

Reja

Harpers Hair: Phhhhtttt.

Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.

Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.

Your call.

I thought of There’s a tear in my beer and relished it was Hank Jr song and the terrible news of his beautiful 27 year old daughter dying in a roll over on the highway last week.

jp

Harpers Hair: Phhhhtttt.

Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.

Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.

Your call.

I am very surprised that Reja offered you those far too kind terms and genuinely shocked that you’re not willing to accept them…

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

He didn’t win…..

He had more points. He was producing points at a much higher rate this season, and every season since he’s been in the league.

An honest man acknowledges the wager was lost, pays his debt and moves on.

BONE207

Harpers Hair: Phhhhtttt.

Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.

Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.

Your call.

Shit happens, Injuries happen & Covid happens…

Double or nothing seems like the play here. Those tectonic plate movements haven’t let up we see…

SkatinginSand

Spartacus: I agree that TSN knows how to host a hockey game.The problem was that TSN only broadcast Oilers games about twice a year; when the Oilers played the Leafs or Habs on a Wednesday night.

People get irritated with Sportsnet, but at least they air Oilers games.ALL of the Oilers games.It was only a few years ago that you couldn’t watch all the Oilers games on TV, even if you were willing to pay extra.

I appreciate that Sportsnet even has a dedicated Oilers channel for days when all the other channels are busy with… whatever the programmer imagines is more important than an Oilers game.

Drew Remenda and Gene Principe don’t bother me… I’m just happy to be able to see the games.

TSN only broadcast Oiler games as part of their former national broadcast rights. Sportsnet has had the Oilers regional rights (any games not broadcast nationally) since they got them from ITV (now Global) in the 90s.Even then, it was not that long ago that they tried the PPV ripoff, which was a well deserved disaster. TSN has regional rights for Winnipeg, Ottawa and Montreal (Toronto rights are shared by TSN and Sportsnet) All regular season games are broadcast and, IMHO, they are far superior to Sportnet’s amateur offerings.

Reja

Harpers Hair: You know how much your opinion matters to me?

Come on Sheila all I’m hearing are crickets.

Harpers Hair

Reja: Calm down relax: I’ll tell you what, I just got off the the phone with Vegas and even though Connor has a 4 point lead the Oilers will be playing for their lives. If they manage to win their next opponent will be tough while the Avalanchewill be playIng in a a 3 game exhibition love fest waiting to play a weaker opponent once the actual playoffs begin. After all is said and done if Mackinnonoutscores Mcdavid in total points counting the regular season and playoffs we are Even Steven. If by the grace of God Mcdavid ends up with more points you donate $225 dollars to our fine host. Deal or No Deal.

Phhhhtttt.

Either MCDavid can do it or he can’t.

Take the bet as I laid it out or pound sand.

Your call.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: You know how much your opinion matters to me?

About as reliable as your word is it seems

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer: Season is complete
The points from here on out are not counted
Fantasy hockey leagues finished because of this.I would have loved more games to try and move up from 4th in my league.
Pretty straight forward
You made a bet and you lost the bet.
If the worst thing that happens to you because of the pandemic that you lost a bet you were losing then consider yourself lucky

You know how much your opinion matters to me?

Reja

Harpers Hair: Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

Calm down relax: I’ll tell you what, I just got off the the phone with Vegas and even though Connor has a 4 point lead the Oilers will be playing for their lives. If they manage to win their next opponent will be tough while the Avalanche will be playIng in a a 3 game exhibition love fest waiting to play a weaker opponent once the actual playoffs begin. After all is said and done if Mackinnon outscores Mcdavid in total points counting the regular season and playoffs we are Even Steven. If by the grace of God Mcdavid ends up with more points you donate $225 dollars to our fine host. Deal or No Deal.

Side

Harpers Hair: Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

LOL

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

You are also trying to move the goalposts
Lots of witnesses on here

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

Season is complete
The points from here on out are not counted
Fantasy hockey leagues finished because of this. I would have loved more games to try and move up from 4th in my league.
Pretty straight forward
You made a bet and you lost the bet.
If the worst thing that happens to you because of the pandemic that you lost a bet you were losing then consider yourself lucky

OriginalPouzar

https://theathletic.com/1870340/2020/06/15/lebrun-nhl-coaches-make-their-selke-trophy-picks-and-inside-the-calder-debate/Here’s what I decided to do. I reached out to a source on 11 Western

Conference teams not named Colorado or Vancouver last week and asked a simple question: Makar or Hughes for the Calder?

While most of the respondents qualified their answer by saying how difficult the choice was, I hope Canucks fans avert their eyes to what comes next.

Out of the 11 responses from 11 different Western Conference team sources, 10 voted for Makar and one abstained, saying it was a 50-50 coin toss for him.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: May I ask why you aren’t honoring your wager?

McDavid had more points, end of story, no?

Is you issue the season ending early? Well, point per game, McDavid towered over MacKinnon this season and has done so every year McDavid has been in the league.

You point a recent hot streak by MacKinnon but McDavid was just as hot.

I don’t see any honest way not to honor this.

End of story…no.

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer: Why would he extend a bet that he won already??

Because he didn’t win.

The bet was based on a complete season and MacKinnon had a game in hand.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: Tell you what…

Since you keep whinging about this, let’s extend the bet.

The wager will extend to the playoffs but will not include the play in or round robin since the potential games played are different.

You would enter the bet with 4 points in the bank.

If McDavid gets more points than MacKinnon, you win.

If MacKinnon outscores McDavid by 5 points in the playoffs, you lose.

If the Oilers lose to Chicago in the play in, you also will lose since the Oilers will not be in the playoffs.

You in?

May I ask why you aren’t honoring your wager?

McDavid had more points, end of story, no?

Is you issue the season ending early? Well, point per game, McDavid towered over MacKinnon this season and has done so every year McDavid has been in the league.

You point a recent hot streak by MacKinnon but McDavid was just as hot.

I don’t see any honest way not to honor this.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: Tell you what…

Since you keep whinging about this, let’s extend the bet.

The wager will extend to the playoffs but will not include the play in or round robin since the potential games played are different.

You would enter the bet with 4 points in the bank.

If McDavid gets more points than MacKinnon, you win.

If MacKinnon outscores McDavid by 5 points in the playoffs, you lose.

If the Oilers lose to Chicago in the play in, you also will lose since the Oilers will not be in the playoffs.

You in?

Why would he extend a bet that he won already??

OriginalPouzar

Spartacus: I live in the NWT, but I guess we’re part of Oil Country.

I’ve never noticed any games being blacked out, we seem to get games from the East and Pacific, as well as all the Calgary and Edmonton games.

Sorry I can’t help.

Yes, the territories are part of the Oilers viewing region so all 82 Oilers games are available either on SN regional broadcast or national broadcast.

Outside of the Oilers viewing region, the regional games on SN will be blacked out (unless one is in BC, for example, and they are playing the canucks, the regional Canucks broadcast would be available).

JimmyV1965

dustrock: Yeah I get the perceived value being high. He was Karpat’s leading scorer and 4th in SM Liiga over.

Do you think he can duplicate that?

That’s the thing. What does Jesse have to do to increase his trade value? I’m not sure even winning the scoring title does anything but maintain the status quo.

Harpers Hair

Reja: Me and HH had a $100 bet that we placed half-way through the season which is unpaid ( welching) . I would have let him of the hook because of the shortened season but he took such great pleasure when Mcdavid went down and was rubbing it in enough to piss me off. Then Leon the Lion emerged from the ashes to carry the team and win the hart. When Mcdavid surprisingly returned early and proceeded to blowby Mackinnon like he was standing at a bus stop in Newfiefill,all was well in Oilerland.

Tell you what…

Since you keep whinging about this, let’s extend the bet.

The wager will extend to the playoffs but will not include the play in or round robin since the potential games played are different.

You would enter the bet with 4 points in the bank.

If McDavid gets more points than MacKinnon, you win.

If MacKinnon outscores McDavid by 5 points in the playoffs, you lose.

If the Oilers lose to Chicago in the play in, you also will lose since the Oilers will not be in the playoffs.

You in?

Spartacus

Brantford Boy: I assume you live in SportNet West region or do you know something that I don’t?I’m probably on my 5th straight year of having to buy the NHL Centre Ice package because on the west coast (Pacific) we don’t get any games unless they’re playing the Canucks or it’s a national broadcast.I’ve even tried to pay for just the West feed separately but that didn’t work either, it was still blacked out.If you’ve figured out a loop hole and aren’t living in the SportNet West region please share… cheers!

I live in the NWT, but I guess we’re part of Oil Country.

I’ve never noticed any games being blacked out, we seem to get games from the East and Pacific, as well as all the Calgary and Edmonton games.

Sorry I can’t help.

OriginalPouzar

Reja: If he signs for 3 years in Russia I believe he’ll be a free agent correct me if I’m wrong. I can see this happening unless a GM Is willing to roll a first rounder several teams have multiple picks in the first round.

3 years in the KHL?

I don’t imagine any chance of that happening.

OriginalPouzar

Reja: What’s the over-under he catches Yak in goals. Yak is ahead by 45, I sit and wonder if Yak would have found his niche with coach Tippett

Considering he’s about to go to his 4th team since leaving the Oilers and, this time, traded for cash, I’m thinking maybe not.

N64

Reja: In my best Jim Carrey voice. So you’re saying there’s a chance.

In my best Jesse voice:

Never say Never

OriginalPouzar

Bettman on the ESPN special tonight – his interview was maybe 5 minutes long and, really, the questions didn’t lead to anything that any of us paying attention didn’t already know.

Is it safe to play? Relying on medical experts. Focused, jointly with the players, to adhere to the protocols that will be very strict. Lots of testing. Two health issues: COVID 19 (relying on experts) and, also, getting back in to game shape – hence why flexible on dating.

Testing Protocol and Positive Tests: Players and personnel will be test daily. A positive test will lead to isolation and will monitor via contact tracing. An outbreak would be different. Given the bubble “should be” COVID-19 free. Players are also tested in phase 2 and phase 3 so, prior to phase 4, should be in good shape.

Format being “Consistent with Integrity of the Playoffs” – Done in consultation with players that also felt strongly in keeping integrity of the competition. Play-in round to give bubble teams with a chance to make playoffs – bubble teams had differing chances of making the playoffs but each had a chance. After that best of 7 for 4 rounds is as per normal. Full competition. SC champion will be deserving.

—————————

Patrick Kane came on after:

– skated 4 times in phase 2 so far

– asked how long he and his team will need – Kane says he personally needs to be on the ice alot but others differ. Thinks there should be tons of time in a 3-week camp

– What safety protocols does he require? its the biggest concern for the players. The phase 2 measures are super precautions so they are in good shape already.

– asked about no fans and fan energy – looking back, we take fans and 22k fans per night for granted a bit. Would like to think the competitive nature of the players will take over and the opportunity to win the cup will drive. Still want to “put on a show”.

——————-

As an aside, Kane has really grown up and matured – it was a well spoken interview.

Reja

N64: I can see him here this next season or the one after rather than waiting 3 years. Kid is going to turn out fine

In my best Jim Carrey voice. So you’re saying there’s a chance.

N64

Reja: If he signs for 3 years in Russia I believe he’ll be a free agent correct me if I’m wrong. I can see this happening unless a GM Is willing to roll a first rounder several teams have multiple picks in the first round.

I can see him here this next season or the one after rather than waiting 3 years. Kid is going to turn out fine

N64

defmn: That’s funny.?

Yeah, I think the best way to look at Jesse is whatever he KNOWS he is ready for is best. If he’s ready to place a confident bet on himself in Oil silks fine, otherwise more Karpat which was good for him this year. It’s not really about getting most points in Karpat, just digging deeper into his game wherever he’s ready.

Reja

OriginalPouzar: The issue with him signing in the KHL as it precludes and NHL return during the season and I believe their camps start in July for a September start – not alot of time to decide on that one.

If he signs for 3 years in Russia I believe he’ll be a free agent correct me if I’m wrong. I can see this happening unless a GM Is willing to roll a first rounder several teams have multiple picks in the first round.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Munny: This reminds me of a Richard Crenna movie back in the 80s with a supper scene where Crenna

– He was such a great actor, was in some terrific movies, co starred with Steve McQueen in the amazing Sand Pebbles, Leviathan, Body Heat, of course Karate Kid, Favourite caracter in Kinger’s mind was as Rambo’s “handler”

Crenna (aka Colonel Trautman)”“Let me tell you a story, John. There was a sculptor. He found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months until he finally finished it. When he was ready he showed it to his friends. They said he had created a great masterpiece, but the sculptor said he hadn’t created anything. The statue was always there, he just chipped away the rough edges. You’re always going to be tearing away at yourself until you come to terms with who you are. Until you come full circle.”

“- Col. Samuel Trautman (Crenna): How will you live, John?
– Rambo: Day by day.”

Reja

OriginalPouzar: Yup, probably won’t ever be an NHL star but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a valuable piece to the team.

I think the likelihood that he can be a strong 2-way middle six player is decently high and there is a solid chance he can be a complementary piece in the top 6. 20G and 50P is nothing to sneeze at.

Not saying he’ll for sure be a top 6 player but its a reasonable bet, as is a strong middle-six guy.

For a nominal cap hit, I really hope he comes back – better option than a middling trade return – not that I sneeze at 2nd round picks but still.

What’s the over-under he catches Yak in goals. Yak is ahead by 45, I sit and wonder if Yak would have found his niche with coach Tippett