Another Brick In The Wall, Part 2

Among draft eligible players who will be available at No. 20, do you have one or two that you prefer? A year ago, my personal choice for Edmonton was Arthur Kaliyev, because I didn’t think Dylan Cozens would be on the board when Edmonton made its pick (he was, in fact, gone). It’s time for the annual draft Q and A, and the top 10 goalies for 2020.

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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Favourite player who will be available when Edmonton selects? It’s a tough question because I don’t know when the Oilers will pick. At 20, I expect Jarvis, Zary and Bourque could be gone. If all three have been chosen, plus the expected names by No. 20, I’ll name Jan Mysak as my choice. I’m uncertain Edmonton would pick him that early, though.

Who do you think the Oilers are considering in the first round? If the first 16 names on my list are gone, my guess is Edmonton would consider Russian goalie Yaroslav Askarov who by then would represent good to exceptional value. I think Kaiden Guhle would get a long look, perhaps Mysak and big college winger Dylan Holloway. I ordinarily have a better feel for Edmonton’s draft, but Holland-Wright are a new group and there is some mystery.

Holland rarely took a goalie in the first round as Detroit GM. Very true, but the draft is about value. I count (on my list) one goalie and three defenseman who bring enough to rank inside the top 20 prospects. That means 16 forwards, a big number. If those 16 forwards are gone when Edmonton picks, and the goalie remains, he may represent the best value.

One player in the draft who will go higher than you have him ranked? LD Yan Kuznetsov. He’s young, big, mobile and plays in the NCAA. I have him mid third round, Craig Button has him just outside the first round. Button is a scout. His reasons are rock solid I’m certain, but math led me to these rankings and we stand far apart on this player.

Probably you’re just bad at this. Well, Kuznetsov is the kind of player my list has a hard time with, but the truth is I don’t think drafting a shutdown blue in the first round is wise. Kids who are teenagers in the NCAA are difficult to project, but the verbal on him doesn’t scream offense and puck moving. Kuznetsov would benefit from an age 20 draft. Or not. I have him on my list, but Button’s number will be closer than mine.

Favourite player not on your list? RW Declan McDonell of the Kitchener Rangers. Good speed, skill, can check. Moved up the roster over the season. 21 goals in the OHL with very little notice.

What position gives you the most trouble? Defensemen.

Really? Not goalies? Shocking. I need to sit down. Who knew? I look for complete defensemen, then two-way, then offensive, then shutdown.

What would a successful draft for Edmonton look like? If the Oilers can grab Seth Jarvis in the first round, it’s a good draft. The nature of the team’s draft board is it’s likely just one pick will have an impact. That’s based on the traded picks. In a way, it’s like the 2014 draft.

How so? In 2014, Edmonton drafted Leon Draisaitl in the first round, then had to wait through the second and third rounds because picks had been traded for David Perron and Ben Scrivens. This year, it’s going to be slow due to trades that sent away picks for Andreas Athanasiou, James Neal (possibly) and Mike Green.

So you’re saying lower your expectations? I’m saying that if the first four rounds are Seth Jarvis, Andreas Athanasiou, offloading Milan Lucic’s contract and Mike Green, fans should be five miles beyond impressed.

GOALIES 2018 DRAFT (LT RANK)

1 Jakub Skarek, Jihlava (Czech). No. 72 to NY Islanders
2 Oliver Rodrigue, Drummondville (QMJHL). No. 62 to Edmonton.
3 Lukas Dostal, Brno (Czech). No. 85 to Anaheim
4 Olof Lindbom, Djurgardens (SuperElite). No. 39 to NY Rangers.
5 Amir Miftakhov, Irbis Kazan (MHL). Undrafted.
6 Ivan Prosvetov, Youngstown Phantoms (USHL). No. 114 to Arizona.
7 Joel Hofer, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). No. 107 to St. Louis
8 Justus Annunen, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). No. 64 to Colorado.
9 Vincent Purpura, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Undrafted.
10 Alexis Gravel, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). No. 162 to Chicago.

GOALIES 2019 DRAFT (LT RANK)

  1. Spencer Knight, US National Team (USHL). No. 13 to Florida.
  2. G Mads Søgaard, Medicine Hat (WHL). No. 37 to Ottawa.
  3. Pyotr Kochetkov, HK Ryazan (VHL). No. 36 to Carolina.
  4. Hunter Jones, Peterborough (OHL). No. 59 to Minnesota.
  5. Colten Ellis, Rimouski (QMJHL). No. 93 to St. Louis.
  6. Jonathan Lemieux, Val d’Or (QMJHL). Undrafted.
  7. Trent Miner, Vancouver (WHL). No. 202 to Colorado.
  8. Carter Gylander, Sherwood Park (AJHL). No. 191 to Detroit.
  9. Amir Miftakhov, Irbis Kazan (MHL). Undrafted.
  10. Lukas Parik, Liberic (Czech Jr). No. 87 to Los Angeles.

Ilya Konovalov, drafted by Edmonton at No. 85 by the Oilers, did not appear on my list last season.

GOALIES 2020 DRAFT (LT RANKING)

  1. G Yaroslav Askarov, VHL. He’s famous, acrobatic and might represent the most value on the board when Edmonton picks in the first round.
  2. Calle Clang, SuperElite. Good size, a .913 SP and stellar work at the Hlinka. His resume is quite impressive over the last three seasons.
  3. Sam Hlavaj, QMJHL. Boasts a .915 save percentage and stands 6.04, 218. I have him higher than other lists; backup posted a .901SP.
  4. Nico Daws, OHL. .924 save percentage represents a big performance spike. He’s a December 2000.
  5. Joel Blomquist, Jr Liiga. Strong numbers (.929), good glove. He got into a couple of Liiga games.
  6. Dylan Garand, WHL. Eye popping SP (.921) for June 2002, but he’s only 6.0.
  7. Brett Brochu, OHL. Under the radar goalie who delivered a .919 SP as a rookie. Sept 2002. I think he could be a steal later in the draft.
  8. Devon Levi, CCHL. Impressive .941 SP, he’s a December 2001. You’d like to see him in a better league.
  9. Drew Commesso, USHL. Good size, thrived wherever he played in 2019-20. Big step forward. July 2002.
  10. Tucker Tynan, OHL. Had a ghastly injury but his .910SP and June 2002 birthdate have him here.

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170 Responses to "Another Brick In The Wall, Part 2"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hey – without being anywhere near as knowledgable on the draft eligibles as many (most) on here, my somewhat arbitrary choice is Jan Mysak as well. I like the fact that he excelled in two wildly different leagues and didn’t require an adjustment period when he came over. I was initially hesitant thinking his numbers are zoomed by other high end talent on his team but I’ve learned that he didn’t play with the likes of Kaliyev

  2. jtblack says:

    “10) Yaroslav Askarov (G, Russia, SKA-Neva St. Petersburg VHL)
    11) Anton Lundell (LC, Finland, HIFK Liiga)
    12) Rodion Amirov (LW, Russia, Salavat Yulaev Ufa KHL)
    13) Noel Gunler (RW/LW, Sweden, Lulea SHL)
    14) Jan Mysak (LW, Czech Republic, Hamilton OHL)
    15) Jack Quinn (RW, Canada, Ottawa OHL)
    16) Dylan Holloway (LC, Canada, Wisconsin NCAA)
    17) Connor Zary (LC, Canada, Kamloops WHL)
    18) Seth Jarvis (RW, Canada, Portland WHL)
    19) Hendrix Lapierre (LC, Canada, Chicoutimi QMJHL)
    20) Dawson Mercer (RW, Canada, Chicoutimi QMJHL)”

    Fisher’s list …

    Don’t see how Askarov is around at 20. Looks like Mysak could fall ??

    The big problem LT, is that Edmonton won’t pick til about 27th after they make the Western Conference Finals 🙂

  3. Brantford Boy says:

    Hey LT! Leave those goalies alone! We don’t need no thought control…

    Ugh goalies… think the only time I’ve been completely on board with a goalie in the first round was way back to Fluery… “someone” said goalies are voodoo, and the added fact he’s Russian, well that’s worked out really well for us in the past.

    Lot’s of talk about bets in yesterday’s comments… got me thinking about the Oiler Death March… had a look and with Hunter prorating the end of season I noticed Mrs. Lowetide beat you LT… so, what did you lose in the bet?

    If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding…

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Canada/US border restriction (only essential travel permitted) has been extended to July 21.

    Pagnotta does not think this effects Canadian cities as potential hub cities which is probably right as they need the federal agreement to agree on quarantine arrangements in any event (i.e. they will need the feds on side no matter what).

    I’ve got to think the hub cities get finalized within the next week.

  5. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hey – without being anywhere near as knowledgable on the draft eligibles as many (most) on here, my somewhat arbitrary choice is Jan Mysak as well. I like the fact that he excelled in two wildly different leagues and didn’t require an adjustment period when he came over.I was initially hesitant thinking his numbers are zoomed by other high end talent on his team but I’ve learned that he didn’t play with the likes of Kaliyev

    I know crap about the draft as well. I did read somewhere, I forget of course, that he was better than Kaliyev and more important to the team by the time the season stopped.

  6. dustrock says:

    I’m not riskarov averse, go with Askarov.

    He’ll be gone.

    LT – I’ve narrowed down to the very same names you mentioned: Jarvis, Bourque, Zary. Mysak is fine but I’d prefer the others.

    Depending on where the Oilers pick, I’d expect one of them to be there, as defencemen always get selected too early and there’s only a handful of first-round-worthy d-men in this draft I think.

  7. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Canada/US border restriction (only essential travel permitted) has been extended to July 21.

    Pagnotta does not think this effects Canadian cities as potential hub cities which is probably right as they need the federal agreement to agree on quarantine arrangements in any event (i.e. they will need the feds on side no matter what).

    I’ve got to think the hub cities get finalized within the next week.

    The current border restriction already allowed travel to conduct normal business (not limited to essential businesses).

    As mentioned earlier John Katsilometes (Las Vegas Review-Journal) believes announcement is targeted fornext Monday.

  8. N64 says:

    Hey I hadn’t noticed Q&A LT’s alter ego here recently. Has LT added him to the family cohort? #abstage2

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Brantford Boy: Lot’s of talk about bets in yesterday’s comments… got me thinking about the Oiler Death March… had a look and with Hunter prorating the end of season

    Well done!

  10. Reja says:

    Every time I hear Jarvis name I think of Iron man Doug Jarvis If we pick him I’m sure Holland – Oilers would be happy if he had a career like Dougies

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Canadian federal government has indicated they are comfortable with a Canadian hub city if the logistics are OK with provincial authorities.

    Don’t have details yet but I imagine they still want the 14-day quarantine to come to Canada but will allow that in conjunction with participating in NHL Stage 2 or Stage 3 protocols which will allow them to leave the house to be at the rink and s/t to all the NHL logistics.

  12. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Canadian federal government has indicated they are comfortable with a Canadian hub city if the logistics are OK with provincial authorities.

    Don’t have details yet but I imagine they still want the 14-day quarantine to come to Canada but will allow that in conjunction with participating in NHL Stage 2 or Stage 3 protocols which will allow them to leave the house to be at the rink and s/t to all the NHL logistics.

    Well we know AB and BC health authorities had signed off on proposals for the NHL (and that Ford was amenable. I think it’s cabinet & the Toronto board of health in that case).

    So now it’s up to Sportsnet and the PA to pull on the drumstick and see whether the 2nd city lands in Canada. I think the NHL has what they need to go either way on that.

  13. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock: Jarvis, Bourque, Zary. Mysak is fine but I’d prefer the others.

    Depending on where the Oilers pick, I’d expect one of them to be there, as defencemen always get selected too early and there’s only a handful of first-round-worthy d-men in this draft I think.

    I agree – I highly doubt there will be 16 forwards off the board by the time #20 rolls around. Assuming Askarov is selected, that would mean just 2 defensemen selected in the top-19 which seems unreasonably low to me. More likely we see 4-5 D-men taken before the Oilers walk to the podium, resulting in a very nice forward prospect being available to them.

  14. leadfarmer says:

    If we pick 20th and Askarov is available and we pass I’ll be pissed. Russia has been a goalie factory lately

  15. Darth Tu says:

    dustrock:
    I’m not riskarov averse, go with Askarov.

    He’ll be gone.

    LT – I’ve narrowed down to the very same names you mentioned: Jarvis, Bourque, Zary.Mysak is fine but I’d prefer the others.

    Depending on where the Oilers pick, I’d expect one of them to be there, as defencemen always get selected too early and there’s only a handful of first-round-worthy d-men in this draft I think.

    I agree, Askarov will be gone. He seems like a legit talent and with goalies being voodoo I can see someone reaching for one that looks half way to certain to turn out.

    Then if there’s even half the run on D there was last year I’m pretty certain there’s going to be more than one decent forward prospect sitting there for us to grab at 20.

    That said, if the goalie falls to 20 I hope we grab him. Between Askarov and Konovalov we might be onto a good thing. Heck even Rodrigue might squeeze in there as backup to one of the Russians too. As I say though, voodoo.

  16. Ginch says:

    Rondo,

    That’s just not true. An increase in testing should lead to an increase in the number of reported infections in the short term, but in the longer term, the testing (and tracing) is designed to locate those outbreaks and isolate them, resulting in fewer cases. Here in Maine, when we significantly ramped up testing, we found a lot more outbreaks in the short term, but those numbers have since continued to decline, even as our state continues to open up. That’s what more testing should do. The NBA tentatively plans to continue their season in Disney next month, and those players will be tested I believe every single day. Those tests are designed to ensure that there are fewer cases, not more.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo:
    Thanks for the panic porn LT.More tests more positives for Covid. less tests less positives It’s about deaths not positive cases.

    Facts matter

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936

    Actually it’s about hospitalizations especially ICU beds. That’s what has the potential to change a low mortality,less than 1%, into much higher number. Deaths are sad but unfortunately that outcome is too late to change.

  18. Reja says:

    I need some excitement today come on HH quit pouting and let’s go a C note on the Hart trophy winner loser donates to this fine man’s site. I’ll take Leon against the field I’m hearing Mackinnon Is getting a lot support especially after Hall arguably snatched it away from him.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Reja:
    I need some excitement today come on HH quit pouting and let’s go a C note on the Hart trophy winner loser donates to this fine man’s site. I’ll take Leon against the field I’m hearing Mackinnon Is getting a lot support especially after Hall arguably snatched it away from him.

    He’s just going to not pay for that one either.

  20. Reja says:

    leadfarmer:
    If we pick 20th and Askarov is available and we pass I’ll be pissed.Russia has been a goalie factory lately

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had 2 crackerjack Russian goalies for the next 10 years. I’ve always fancied Russian netminders and it starts with Vladislav Tretiak one of my idols growing up. If he’s there I say former goalie Holland jogs to the podium and has his name on the sweater already.

  21. Rondo says:

    Ginch,

    Right now this is the most important/relevant information that people should know

    New cases are irrelevant because it just means milder cases are being diagnosed

    Until Covid hospitalizations or deaths start to increase, new cases are irrelevant

  22. jtblack says:

    how many goalies does an organization need?

    everyone talks about BPA, but teams must also have a “number” of prospects they want / need at each position … To me we have enough goalies? Wells, Skinner, Rodriguez, Starrett … how many do we need in the system?

    is it “smart” to draft a goalie each year? I am thinking not .. Hope KH gets all F & D this year ….

    Draft another goalie next year …

  23. jtblack says:

    and I will add .. if Edm thinks they need a Goalie or 2 for the minors, then just sign a college FA …

  24. jtblack says:

    OP or whomever.

    using Stuart Skinner as an example. his contract is as follows

    NHL – $700,000
    Minors – $70,000
    Signing bonus per year – $92,500

    Does Skinner get his signing bonus each year whether he is in the NHL or minors? or was he paid it in full when he signed his deal?

  25. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: He’s just going to not pay for that one either.

    It can get awfully expensive living on the island especially if your cooking and eating 5 star meals every night maybe we should start a go fund me for him.

  26. N64 says:

    leadfarmer: Actually it’s about hospitalizations especially ICU beds.That’s what has the potential to change a low mortality,less than 1%, into much higher number.Deaths are sad but unfortunately that outcome is too late to change.

    In terms of leading numbers (before hospitalizations occur) if I only had one number to understand community exposure risk it would be test positivity rate from surveillance of asymptomatic people with no known COVID-19 exposure.

    Alberta has the test capacity to do asymptomatic testing at scale on a drop in basis. Last week we had 4 positive tests from 11,341 asymptomatic people with no known COVID-19 exposure. About 1/30 of a %

  27. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    how many goalies does an organization need?

    everyone talks about BPA, but teams must also have a “number” of prospects they want / need at each position … To me we have enough goalies? Wells, Skinner, Rodriguez, Starrett … how many do we need in the system?

    is it “smart” to draft a goalie each year?I am thinking not .. Hope KH gets all F & D this year ….

    Draft another goalie next year …

    Smith is done. Koskinen is almost 32.
    Many of those names listed are not going to be in the system in a couple of years

  28. jtblack says:

    leadfarmer: Smith is done.Koskinen is almost 32.
    Many of those names listedare not going to be in the system in a couple of years

    I understand that. So let’s dive deeper. Do you think an Org should draft at least 1 goalie every year? or have 6 – 8 developing at all times (junior, college, ECHL, AHL, Europe ) …?

    I do wonder what strategies organizations have around Goalies …

  29. Ginch says:

    Rondo,

    In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, “Come again?” Each line in your post is factually untrue.

  30. defmn says:

    N64: In terms of leading numbers (before hospitalizations occur) if I only had one number to understand community exposure risk it would be test positivity rate from surveillance of asymptomatic people with no known COVID-19 exposure.

    Alberta has the test capacity to do asymptomatic testing at scale on a drop in basis. Last week we had 4 positive tests from 11,341 asymptomatic people with no known COVID-19 exposure. About 1/30 of a %

    I saw and read that. How quickly are they getting the results from tests these days? There are stores in Calgary where they take your temperature before allowing you to enter. Any point in that in your opinion?

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: Well we know AB and BC health authorities had signed off on proposals for the NHL (and that Ford was amenable. I think it’s cabinet & the Toronto board of health in that case).

    So now it’s up to Sportsnet and the PA to pull on the drumstick and see whether the 2nd city lands in Canada. I think the NHL has what they need to go either way on that.

    I think the path is cleared for Vegas and Toronto.

    I would love to see a curve-ball and it end up Columbus and Edmonton.

  32. Material Elvis says:

    Ginch:
    Rondo,

    In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, “Come again?” Each line in your post is factually untrue.

    So basically par for the course.

  33. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think the path is cleared for Vegas and Toronto.

    I would love to see a curve-ball and it end up Columbus and Edmonton.

    well Vegas is already 99% one of the cities ..so it will take more than a curve ball …

    although, cases are ramping up in Vegas since they re opened …

    I think that will be the case for a lot of states .. cases will rise as the re opening occurs .. COVID is not going anywhere, so I think it’s more about people & governments learning to live with the virus, knowing that people will get the virus and some of the vulnerable will pass …

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    Reja:
    I need some excitement today come on HH quit pouting and let’s go a C note on the Hart trophy winner loser donates to this fine man’s site. I’ll take Leon against the field I’m hearing Mackinnon Is getting a lot support especially after Hall arguably snatched it away from him.

    No offence, but why in the world would you place another bet with someone who hasn’t paid you the first time? It’s a lose-lose bet. You win and pay. You lose and get zilch.

  35. N64 says:

    defmn: I saw and read that. How quickly are they getting the results from tests these days? There are stores in Calgary where they take your temperature before allowing you to enter. Any point in that in your opinion?

    Fine if they can do it quickly as no one with a temperature should be there, but likely not a significant factor. Suppose it also has educational power.

    Stores would be better off requiring masks and providing free single use masks. But that’s a very hard sell and not expecting much of that aside from high transmission areas or ethnic stores.

    Here’s a slightly gimmicky idea. The benefit of masks is likely more for others than the wearer. So instead of a senior’s hour at grocery stores at the start of the day, how about a mask hour for seniors and anyone else who wants to come?

  36. N64 says:

    JimmyV1965: No offence, but why in the world would you place another bet with someone who hasn’t paid you the first time? It’s a lose-lose bet. You win and pay. You lose and get zilch.

    Watching others line up to bet with him last night was a bit like watching credit card companies lining up outside bankruptcy court.

  37. N64 says:

    jtblack: well Vegas is already 99% one of the cities ..so it will take more than a curve ball …

    although, cases are ramping up in Vegas since they re opened …

    I think that will be the case for a lot of states .. cases will rise as the re opening occurs .. COVID is not going anywhere, so I think it’s more about people & governments learning to live with the virus, knowing that people will get the virus and some of the vulnerable will pass …

    In low density locales the key things we are seeing are around indoor social gatherings (and perhaps overly lubricated outdoor ones).

  38. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think the path is cleared for Vegas and Toronto.

    I would love to see a curve-ball and it end up Columbus and Edmonton.

    I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA now whether to have a Canadian city. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

  39. Side says:

    N64: Watching others line up to bet with him last night was a bit like watching credit card companies lining up outside bankruptcy court.

    Watching HH refuse to pay the bet given the persona he likes to put on around here has been priceless.

    I will gladly wade through the terrible COVID/political/racial takes to witness it.

  40. jtblack says:

    N64: I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

    Trudeau already said a HUB city is good as long as local health authorities come to an agreement with the NHL on safety protocols, which should be fairly easy ….

    I bet Toronto is announced by the weekend.

  41. PennersPancakes says:

    Side: Watching HH refuse to pay the bet given the persona he likes to put on around here has been priceless.

    I will gladly wade through the terrible COVID/political/racial takes to witness it.

    Doesnt seem he can walk the walk, struggling to crawl even. It seems a lot of his actions/talk is in bad faith.

  42. Side says:

    PennersPancakes: Doesnt seem he can walk the walk, struggling to crawl even. It seems a lot of his actions/talk is in bad faith.

    I wonder how long before he starts reaching out to Woodguy to see if Woodguy will come here and vouch for him.

  43. N64 says:

    To cut back the immune storm some hospitals have been checking markers and applying timed courses of steroids and other immune system treatments:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/828091467/why-some-covid-19-patients-crash-the-bodys-immune-system-might-be-to-blame

    Apparently the UK multi-arm study will confirm that properly timed steroid use significantly cuts death for patients requiring oxygen. 35% for patients on ventilator, 20% for the rest.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/major-study-finds-common-steroid-reduces-deaths-among-patients-with-severe-covid-19/

    If I recall correctly current CDC guidance (based largely on pre-covid studies) currently recommends this approach only within studies, but that would change if sufficiently validated.

  44. jtblack says:

    OILERS #1 on the CORE FOUR RANKINGS (best 4 players under 24).

    MCDAVID
    DRAISATL
    YAMAMOTO
    BEAR

    AVALANCE were #2 .. MACKINNON, RANTANEN, MAKAR, BYRAM

    So for all the whining *some* Oilers fan do, we can be Grateful we have unreal young talent that WILL translate to winning … and soon 🙂

  45. Side says:

    jtblack:
    OILERS #1 on the CORE FOUR RANKINGS (best 4 players under 24).

    MCDAVID
    DRAISATL
    YAMAMOTO
    BEAR

    AVALANCE were #2 .. MACKINNON, RANTANEN, MAKAR, BYRAM

    So for all the whining *some* Oilers fan do, we can be Grateful we have unreal young talent that WILL translate to winning … and soon ?

    But did they take into consideration that Mackinnon had a game on hand before the season ended?

    I am under the impression that had Mackinnon played that game he would have scored at least 5 points which could have altered their view of the ranking.

  46. defmn says:

    jtblack:
    OILERS #1 on the CORE FOUR RANKINGS (best 4 players under 24).

    MCDAVID
    DRAISATL
    YAMAMOTO
    BEAR

    AVALANCE were #2 .. MACKINNON, RANTANEN, MAKAR, BYRAM

    So for all the whining *some* Oilers fan do, we can be Grateful we have unreal young talent that WILL translate to winning … and soon

    Who did the ranking?

  47. jtblack says:

    defmn: Who did the ranking?

    it was on Instagram. under nhl.discussion not sure who the author is .

  48. Reja says:

    jtblack:
    OILERS #1 on the CORE FOUR RANKINGS (best 4 players under 24).

    MCDAVID
    DRAISATL
    YAMAMOTO
    BEAR

    AVALANCE were #2 .. MACKINNON, RANTANEN, MAKAR, BYRAM

    So for all the whining *some* Oilers fan do, we can be Grateful we have unreal young talent that WILL translate to winning … and soon ?

    We are close that’s why Holland Obtained AA Ennis and Green he gave his coach enough to take a run and go deep in the playoffs. Does he make these moves if he knew we’d be in a 5 game no home ice just to get to the playoffs bullshit, probably not.

  49. jtblack says:

    Reja: We are closethat’s why Holland Obtained AAEnnis and Green he gave his coach enough to take a run and go deep in the playoffs. Does he make these moves if he knew we’d be in a 5 game no home ice just to get to the playoffs bullshit,probably not.

    I think Edmonton is primed to do some damage in the playoffs ….. we wait

  50. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack: I understand that. So let’s dive deeper. Do you think an Org should draft at least 1 goalie every year?or have 6 – 8 developing at all times (junior, college, ECHL, AHL, Europe ) …?

    I do wonder what strategies organizations have around Goalies …

    Depends on quality of prospects. If you have a couple of blue chippers then a smaller number is ok. If your are shooting for the moon from the middle of the draft then I would keep shooting for the moon.
    Last summer only one of our G prospect was ranked in top 10 of our prospect pool and that was closer to 10

  51. Material Elvis says:

    Vegas as a summer hockey hub is absolutely dumb. I was hoping to watch good hockey but that ice won’t hold up, especially if the plan is to play three games per day on it. Nice hotels, though ?

  52. Material Elvis says:

    Just revisited last night’s commentary. HH clearly lost that bet and then attempted to change the bet in his favor. Some folks have no shame.

  53. jtblack says:

    here is why I DON’T draft Askarov in the 1st round …. if you look at Samsonov from the 2015 draft (highly ranked, went #23 overall), it has taken Samsonov 4 years to make NHL and he is still tweening between back up and starter …

    so if you use your 1st round bullet on Askarov, he most likely doesn’t help the team until Connor is in year 9 ….

    IMO a Forward has a chance to be an impact player in 2 – 3 years … same as a D. but I think with Bouchard and Broberg bubbling under, Edm should pick an F in the 1st round …

  54. N64 says:

    Material Elvis:
    Just revisited last night’s commentary.HH clearly lost that bet and then attempted to change the bet in his favor.Some folks have no shame.

    He lost but was free to beg for a mulligan. Then he turned it down and tried to walk away from his lost bet. Strangest thing was someone trying to start a bet with him. Surreal.

  55. jtblack says:

    Material Elvis:
    Vegas as a summer hockey hub is absolutely dumb.I was hoping to watch good hockey but that ice won’t hold up, especially if the plan is to play three games per day on it.Nice hotels, though ?

    ice should be just fine … .one of the biggest challenges for the ice makers in JUNE in the hot climates is dealing with the crowd and the heat they produce. Without fans, it should be fairly easy to maintain good ice …

  56. Reja says:

    jtblack: ice should be just fine … .one of the biggest challenges for the ice makers in JUNE in the hot climates is dealing with the crowd and the heat they produce. Without fans, it should be fairly easy to maintain good ice …

    It’s all about the woman whether or not they’re happy and Vegas gets a big thumbs up.

  57. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    here is why I DON’T draft Askarov in the 1st round …. if you look at Samsonov from the 2015 draft (highly ranked, went #23 overall), it has taken Samsonov 4 years to make NHL and he is still tweening between back up and starter …

    so if you use your 1st round bullet on Askarov, he most likely doesn’t help the team until Connor is in year 9 ….

    IMO a Forward has a chance to be an impact player in 2 – 3 years … same as a D. but I think with Bouchard and Broberg bubbling under, Edm should pick an F in the 1st round …

    Askarov is a better prospect right now than Samsonov was at same time.
    Tweening between backup and starter is not a fair judgement. He is being broken into a starter role.and he is pretty much ready to take over. There is nothing “tweening” about Him

  58. hunter1909 says:

    defmn:
    Probably not good news for Krueger.

    https://www.tsn.ca/buffalo-sabres-fire-gm-jason-botterill-announce-kevyn-adams-as-replacement-1.1486445

    The Buffalo Sabres current nightmare make the Oilers “decade of darkness” look enjoyable.

  59. Reja says:

    jtblack:
    here is why I DON’T draft Askarov in the 1st round …. if you look at Samsonov from the 2015 draft (highly ranked, went #23 overall), it has taken Samsonov 4 years to make NHL and he is still tweening between back up and starter …

    so if you use your 1st round bullet on Askarov, he most likely doesn’t help the team until Connor is in year 9 ….

    IMO a Forward has a chance to be an impact player in 2 – 3 years … same as a D. but I think with Bouchard and Broberg bubbling under, Edm should pick an F in the 1st round …

    What if he’s the real deal aka Patrick Roy, Carey Price, my man Andy Moog. Recently Carter Hart looks like a gem.

  60. PennersPancakes says:

    jtblack: ice should be just fine … .one of the biggest challenges for the ice makers in JUNE in the hot climates is dealing with the crowd and the heat they produce. Without fans, it should be fairly easy to maintain good ice …

    Yeah I think you’re right on the ice. Not having to worry about keeping the audience comfortable will allow them to blast the ice with cold air.

    The surprise I have is players wanting to be in Vegas in July/August. I think the average high is 40/41? You’re basically locked inside unless you want to boil, which especially as a professional athlete isnt ideal. Heat stroke could become a post season injury.

  61. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers young core can come out flying in the playoffs and might not win the 5 rounds needed to win the cup but they might make 3-4 series wins before they get bounced.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I agree – I highly doubt there will be 16 forwards off the board by the time #20 rolls around. Assuming Askarov is selected, that would mean just 2 defensemen selected in the top-19 which seems unreasonably low to me. More likely we see 4-5 D-men taken before the Oilers walk to the podium, resulting in a very nice forward prospect being available to them.

    I anticipate, like last year, which was forward heavy/deep, there will be an “unexpected” run of d-men in the first round allowing a few of the tier 2 forward prospects to drop to the 20 range – from what I read, that tier is large.

    I am very confidant there will be a few “Mysak level” forwards available in that range.

    Of course, we don’t know where the Oilers will draft even assuming they beat Chicago in the play-in and “make the playoffs.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    If we pick 20th and Askarov is available and we pass I’ll be pissed.Russia has been a goalie factory lately

    (a) I don’t see him being available at 20 (Jersey is a good bet i think) and (b) I’m not so sure Holland would take him if he is – not with the level of forwards that should be available and not with the risk that taking a goalie would include. Yes, he’s a high tier prospect but he’s still a goalie, and not quite the MAF tier of prospect.

    Not to mention, would the fact they took a Russian KHL tender last year factor in?

  64. N64 says:

    hunter1909: The Buffalo Sabres current nightmare make the Oilers “decade of darkness” look enjoyable.

    Jason’s banished. Can Freddie be far behind? #NightmareOnKnoxPlaza

  65. jtblack says:

    leadfarmer: Askarov is a better prospect right now than Samsonov was at same time.
    Tweening between backup and starter is not a fair judgement.He is being broken into a starter role.and he is pretty much ready to take over. There is nothing“tweening” about Him

    it’s draft + 5 and Samsonov has played 26 NHL games ….

    Askarov could be a better prospect and arrive quicker .. time will tell

  66. jtblack says:

    Reja: What if he’s the real deal aka Patrick Roy, Carey Price, my man Andy Moog. Recently Carter Hart looks like a gem.

    you just covered 4 names over 40 years ….. that’s my point …

  67. JimmyV1965 says:

    N64: Watching others line up to bet with him last night was a bit like watching credit card companies lining up outside bankruptcy court.

    Nice analogy. LOL

  68. Material Elvis says:

    jtblack: ice should be just fine … .one of the biggest challenges for the ice makers in JUNE in the hot climates is dealing with the crowd and the heat they produce. Without fans, it should be fairly easy to maintain good ice …

    I guess it remains to be seen but I am very skeptical. I don’t see it holding up in T-Mobile or the practice facilities.

  69. defmn says:

    jtblack: it was on Instagram.under nhl.discussionnot sure who the author is .

    Thanks. A bit surprised that Yamomoto got so much recognition for relatively few games but I will take it.

  70. godot10 says:

    N64:
    For many hospitals likely more major validation than new news, but the UK multi-arm study apparently will confirm that properly timed steroid use for patients requiring oxygen does significantly cut death from immune system overreach. I recall hospitals using this early were using markers to decide when their was net benefit to suppression by steroid.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/major-study-finds-common-steroid-reduces-deaths-among-patients-with-severe-covid-19/

    There is an ongoing trial led by a doctor in Virginia (for hospitalized patients) using another steroid whether the whisper news is good.(the so-called MATH or MATH+ protocol). They are starting to treat it like a vascular disease rather than a respiratory one.

    The M is the steroid Methylprednisolone. The steroids supposedly suppress the cytokine storm. A is a ascorbic acid(Vitamin C) drip. T is Thiamine. And H is Heparin an anti-coagulent.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/

  71. godot10 says:

    defmn:
    Probably not good news for Krueger.

    https://www.tsn.ca/buffalo-sabres-fire-gm-jason-botterill-announce-kevyn-adams-as-replacement-1.1486445

    Ralph has two years left at $3.9 million. Eichel, like Taylor Hall, has his best season under Krueger. I think he is safe for next season.

  72. godot10 says:

    jtblack:
    here is why I DON’T draft Askarov in the 1st round …. if you look at Samsonov from the 2015 draft (highly ranked, went #23 overall), it has taken Samsonov 4 years to make NHL and he is still tweening between back up and starter …

    so if you use your 1st round bullet on Askarov, he most likely doesn’t help the team until Connor is in year 9 ….

    IMO a Forward has a chance to be an impact player in 2 – 3 years … same as a D. but I think with Bouchard and Broberg bubbling under, Edm should pick an F in the 1st round …

    Exactly.

    I will be shocked if Holland picks a goaltender in the first round. There is no Carey Price in this draft.

  73. godot10 says:

    jtblack: ice should be just fine … .one of the biggest challenges for the ice makers in JUNE in the hot climates is dealing with the crowd and the heat they produce. Without fans, it should be fairly easy to maintain good ice …

    Where do they practice in Vegas? Remember 12 teams. They will be practicing at odd times with the limited rinks.

  74. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    N64:
    Hey I hadn’t noticed Q&A LT’s alter ego here recently. Has LT added him to the family cohort? #abstage2

    I always feel that the alter ego is always a little too hard on poor LT…

  75. N64 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I always feel that the alter ego is always a little too hard on poor LT…

    Covid was a convenient excuse for LT to social distance from that guy. Looks like he wormed his way back into the LT’s cohort.

  76. defmn says:

    godot10: Ralph has two years left at $3.9 million.Eichel, like Taylor Hall, has his best season under Krueger.I think he is safe for next season.

    Owners and GM’s tend to care more about how the team does than how the star of the team does. Krueger may well get another season but with a new GM I think the leash shortens.

    =======================

    After now-former-GM Jason Botterill was let go from the Buffalo Sabres earlier today, it was perhaps more surprising to hear that two well-regarded assistants would be cut loose from Buffalo as well. Apparently, more carnage is coming. It’s not yet clear the extent to which layoffs will be made, but there are more firings to come, per The Athletic’s John Vogl. Scouts and hockey operations personnel may be cut loose by the end of the day. Per Vogl, these changes were not at all anticipated by those inside the building.

    Chris Taylor is the latest name to be let loose from Buffalo. The Amerks head coach has been officially relieved of his duties. This comes following the news earlier in the day that Rochester GM Randy Sexton was also let go. Taylor’s assistants in Rochester, Gord Dineen and Toby Peterson, have also been fired, per Mike Harrington of TBN Sports.

    After nine straight losing seasons, the Sabres don’t have a ton of public capital saved up, and they’ve lost some more today. Sweeping changes have come at a strange time, given previous comments made by ownership and the general (if slight) upward trajectory of the organization over the last calendar year. Whatever the reason for the changes, the organization made some bold decisions today, and there are some respected hockey minds hitting the open market right now.

  77. defmn says:

    More fallout from the epidemic.

    ===================================

    Mikhail Prokhorov is closing the Nassau Coliseum, per Patrick Clark of Bloomberg.com. Nassau Coliseum, of course, is where the Islanders play their home games. They had planned to make Nassau their home again for the 2020-2021 season.

    Onexim Sports and Entertainment currently runs the arena, Clark explains, but they’ll be looking for someone else to take over operational and fiscal responsibility of the venue moving forward. In a statement quoted by Clark, Onexim said this of their decisions: “The unforeseeable and unprecedented Covid-19 crisis has had a devastating effect on the operations of the Coliseum and its finances. While we still believe in the enormous long term economic value of the Coliseum and the development of the surrounding land, we recognize that such value will be best realized by other parties.”

    The Islanders may have to find a new home for the 2020-2021 season, but it may just be a matter of time until someone else takes over the lease. The Islanders played in Brooklyn previously, but the relationship wasn’t a fit for either party, promoting the Islanders to move back to Nassau.

  78. N64 says:

    defmn:
    More fallout from the epidemic.

    ===================================

    Mikhail Prokhorov is closing the Nassau Coliseum, per Patrick Clark of Bloomberg.com. Nassau Coliseum, of course, is where the Islanders play their home games. They had planned to make Nassau their home again for the 2020-2021 season.

    Onexim Sports and Entertainment currently runs the arena, Clark explains, but they’ll be looking for someone else to take over operational and fiscal responsibility of the venue moving forward. In a statement quoted by Clark, Onexim said this of their decisions: “The unforeseeable and unprecedented Covid-19 crisis has had a devastating effect on the operations of the Coliseum and its finances. While we still believe in the enormous long term economic value of the Coliseum and the development of the surrounding land, we recognize that such value will be best realized by other parties.”

    The Islanders may have to find a new home for the 2020-2021 season, but it may just be a matter of time until someone else takes over the lease. The Islanders played in Brooklyn previously, but the relationship wasn’t a fit for either party, promoting the Islanders to move back to Nassau.

    If they have no fans in the stands lots of arenas can work.

  79. Darth Tu says:

    jtblack:
    OILERS #1 on the CORE FOUR RANKINGS (best 4 players under 24).

    MCDAVID
    DRAISATL
    YAMAMOTO
    BEAR

    AVALANCE were #2 .. MACKINNON, RANTANEN, MAKAR, BYRAM

    So for all the whining *some* Oilers fan do, we can be Grateful we have unreal young talent that WILL translate to winning … and soon

    Where were the Canucks?

  80. N64 says:

    Darth Tu: Where were the Canucks?

    ~ They’ve lodged a complaint that 25 years old were not included ~

  81. defmn says:

    N64: If they have no fans in the stands lots of arenas can work.

    They could be back at the Barclay I guess. So many unknowns at this time it is hard to make predictions for 6 months from now.

  82. Darth Tu says:

    N64: ~ They’ve lodged a complaint that 25 years old were not included ~

    AHL Rookie of the year and MVP’s should be exempt from age restrictions. Get him on the list.

  83. Eh Team says:

    godot10: Ralph has two years left at $3.9 million. Eichel, like Taylor Hall, has his best season under Krueger. I think he is safe for next season.

    Ralph’s an interesting guy and has pretty well for himself financially with the Southampton gig and the Sabres job. To bad he hasn’t had a decent hockey team to work with.

    Surprised Eichel doesn’t just demand a trade, Buffalo is a lost cause with that owner.

  84. Side says:

    Darth Tu: Where were the Canucks?

    They topped a different category ‘team with the best known deity’

  85. Darth Tu says:

    Eh Team: Ralph’s an interesting guy and has pretty well for himself financially with the Southampton gig and the Sabres job.To bad he hasn’t had a decent hockey team to work with.

    Surprised Eichel doesn’t just demand a trade,Buffalo is a lost cause with that owner.

    Buffalo are really making moves to claim the dumpster fire crown in the NHL.

    I feel sorry for Eichel – but surely they can’t be that many pieces away from at least pushing for playoffs?

  86. jtblack says:

    godot10: Where do they practice in Vegas?Remember 12 teams.They will be practicing at odd times with the limited rinks.

    They have Twin Arenas where the Knights practice. I am assuming they would quarantine those rinks. As long as 2 sheets of ice is enough??

  87. jtblack says:

    Darth Tu: Where were the Canucks?

    i believe #4. ALIEN, BOESER, HUGHES & ???

  88. N64 says:

    jtblack: i believe #4. ALIEN, BOESER, HUGHES & ???

    ~ ??? is 25 years old. So unfair they could not list him ~

  89. godot10 says:

    jtblack: They have Twin Arenas where the Knights practice. I am assuming they would quarantine those rinks. As long as 2 sheets of ice is enough??

    To have a somewhat normal practice schedule, one would thing the minimun requirement would be 4 rinks…ideally six, for twelve teams (each with with a handful of black aces around).

    2 hours per team per day. 9AM-3PM practice time. Four sheets.

    Black Aces could have >3PM time.

  90. Darth Tu says:

    jtblack: i believe #4. ALIEN, BOESER, HUGHES & ???

    I’ve found the thread now, yup 4th.

    Pittsburgh are 31st with Marino heading up their list.

    Related to the Buffalo chat today, the Sabres are number 5 overall. Surely they can right that ship?

  91. jtblack says:

    godot10: To have a somewhat normal practice schedule, one would thing the minimun requirement would be 4 rinks…ideally six, for twelve teams (each with with a handful of black aces around).

    Yah, you could be right.

    CITY NATIONAL ARENA has the twin rinks. The Knights built that.

    There is a rink in THE ORLEANS hotel / casino where the old ECHL team played. There are a few others around town.

    So thats a Good question. They may need 4 – 6 sheets.

  92. London Jon says:

    Hey HH, let’s lock in that bet we had pretty much nailed down that went quiet.
    5 years, Bouchard vs Rafferty, regular season points as per your assertion that Rafferty would probably score more.

    We were talking about $x per point over 5 years which I think you felt had too much open ended risk attached to it.

    On reflection an amount to charity per year seems more sensible.

    So I propose $75 per year to the charity of the winners choice. Bet is void for any years that a player has a serious injury that rules a player out of 25 plus games (as per your request). Shortened seasons count if 42 games or more are played.

    Let’s do it!

  93. N64 says:

    London Jon:
    Hey HH, let’s lock in that bet we had pretty much nailed down that went quiet.
    5 years, Bouchard vs Rafferty, regular season points as per your assertion that Rafferty would probably score more.

    We were talking about $x per point over 5 years which I think you felt had too much open ended risk attached to it.

    On reflection an amount to charity per year seems more sensible.

    So I propose $75 per year to the charity of the winners choice. Bet is void for any years that a player has a serious injury that rules a player out of 25 plus games (as per your request). Shortened seasons count if 42 games or more are played.

    Let’s do it!

    I’ll say it again. Betting a guy right after he walks away from paying up on a lost bet is like credit card companies lining up in front of bankruptcy court.

    Are you trolling our troll?

  94. Side says:

    Hey HH, I want to lock in a bet with you. You get to choose whatever you want to bet on and for whatever amount. The loser may or may not have to make a donation to this site or to a charity of the winner’s choice.

    Are you in?!?!

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Darth Tu: I’ve found the thread now, yup 4th.

    Pittsburgh are 31st with Marino heading up their list.

    Related to the Buffalo chat today, the Sabres are number 5 overall.Surely they can right that ship?

    Buffalo has Eichel & Dahlin. They’ll get a stud in this year’s draft too. They could turn things around with a big summer even.

    Definitely need some new management, maybe a more statistically inclined GM. Botterill seemed to like name cachet over results.

  96. N64 says:

    Side:
    Hey HH, I want to lock in a bet with you. You get to choose whatever you want to bet on and for whatever amount. The loser may or may not have to make a donation to this site or to a charity of the winner’s choice.

    Are you in?!?!

    LOL

  97. London Jon says:

    N64: I’ll say it again. Betting a guy right after he walks away from paying up on a lost bet is like credit card companies lining up in front of bankruptcy court.

    Are you trolling our troll?

    Ha, I take your point on my timing! The chat just reminded me that we hadn’t locked the bet in.

    I’m just keen to lock in something that we had pretty much agreed on. It makes all the chat just a little bit more interesting if there’s a wager on it as well.

    I’m sure both sides will make their donations when the time comes.

    Let’s get it tied down HH

  98. N64 says:

    London Jon: I’m sure both sides will make their donations when the time comes

    Based on what? He just walked away from a lost bet.

    How about: I’m so sure I’m right I’ll donate if I’m wrong. Would be a pleasant surprise if you [HH] donate something if you are wrong.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    how many goalies does an organization need?

    everyone talks about BPA, but teams must also have a “number” of prospects they want / need at each position … To me we have enough goalies? Wells, Skinner, Rodriguez, Starrett … how many do we need in the system?

    is it “smart” to draft a goalie each year?I am thinking not .. Hope KH gets all F & D this year ….

    Draft another goalie next year …

    The point is valid but my response is related to Starrett and I’m not so sure they bring him back.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    OP or whomever.

    using Stuart Skinner as an example.his contract is as follows

    NHL – $700,000
    Minors – $70,000
    Signing bonus per year – $92,500

    Does Skinner get his signing bonus each year whether he is in the NHL or minors?or was he paid it in full when he signed his deal?

    He’ll receive his $92.5K signing bonus in each of the three years on July 1 – irrespective of where he plays.

  101. London Jon says:

    N64: Based on what? He just walked away from a lost bet.

    How about: I’m so sure I’m right I’ll donate if I’m wrong. Would be a pleasant surprise if you donate something if you are wrong.

    That’s how a bet works – you pay up if you’re wrong ?

    Do you mean pay up you’re right??!!

  102. Side says:

    London Jon: Ha, I take your point on my timing! The chat just reminded me that we hadn’t locked the bet in.

    I’m just keen to lock in something that we had pretty much agreed on. It makes all the chat just a little bit more interesting if there’s a wager on it as well.

    I’m sure both sides will make their donations when the time comes.

    Let’s get it tied down HH

    You may come out of this with a loss no matter what given how you’ll probably have to hire a very good lawyer to nail down all of specific conditions so HH can’t back out of it. May have to get him to sign in blood, too.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: I doubt the feds signed off without a signal that the NHL was serious about at least one Canadian city. It’s likely up to the PA now whether to have a Canadian city. I’ll guess Vegas and Vancouver.

    Two pacific time zones, you think?

    I’m not at the Gregor-level on time zones (he’s been talking about non-stop for weeks now) but its got to be a factor.

    I’ve said it doesn’t really matter the time zone of the local but the time zone of the fans. From a high level, I’m still on board with that but its got to be within reason.

    For easter zone fans, if they want to do games at noon, 4:30 and 8, well, that noon game is a 9am in Vegas and Vancouver – players will need to have their pre-game meals at like 6am for example.

    I’m not sure two Pacific time zones will work logistically – either some of the games will be SUPER late out east (which isn’t great since TV is key) or some of the games will be SUPER early in the location and I don’t think the players will agree on that.

  104. London Jon says:

    Side: You may come out of this with a loss no matter what given how you’ll probably have to hire a very good lawyer to nail down all of specific conditions so HH can’t back out of it. May have to get him to sign in blood, too.

    I think I know of a lawyer that would cheerfully do that pro-bono

  105. Side says:

    London Jon: I think I know of a lawyer that would cheerfully do that pro-bono

    Perfect. And if HH tries to bet his first born, I know a good PI who can confirm if he even has one.

  106. Side says:

    London Jon: I think I know of a lawyer that would cheerfully do that pro-bono

    Also, if you are referencing OP, don’t. Cause then you are hooped if HH hires Speeds as his lawyer.

  107. N64 says:

    London Jon: That’s how a bet works – you pay up if you’re wrong ?

    Do you mean pay up you’re right??!!

    The track record is you lose you pay. He loses he walks. Only good for the charity if you lose.

  108. defmn says:

    Elliotte Friedman
    @FriedgeHNIC
    ·
    1h
    BUF has also released director of amateur scouting Ryan Jankowski and a good chunk of amateur staff. Just an ugly day.

  109. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Two pacific time zones, you think?

    I’m not at the Gregor-level on time zones (he’s been talking about non-stop for weeks now) but its got to be a factor.

    I’ve said it doesn’t really matter the time zone of the local but the time zone of the fans.From a high level, I’m still on board with that but its got to be within reason.

    For easter zone fans, if they want to do games at noon, 4:30 and 8, well, that noon game is a 9am in Vegas and Vancouver – players will need to have their pre-game meals at like 6am for example.

    I’m not sure two Pacific time zones will work logistically – either some of the games will be SUPER late out east (which isn’t great since TV is key) or some of the games will be SUPER early in the location and I don’t think the players will agree on that.

    Hey, they’re talking in Vegas about getting the Eastern Conference. Took that into account. Again I was very skeptical about any games in Canada, but looks like Gary convinced the Feds he’s serious or I doubt they would have touched this. So I’m going to guess Gary tells the PA Rogers is playing hardball on the true up for this year (to avoid contract rollover) and they really should agree to one of the Canadian cities. Anyways that’s how I ended up with the oddball Double V guess. Lots of poholes in that reasoning no doubt.

  110. Darth Tu says:

    defmn:
    Elliotte Friedman
    @FriedgeHNIC
    ·
    1h
    BUF has also released director of amateur scouting Ryan Jankowski and a good chunk of amateur staff. Just an ugly day.

    Hmm. Their draft list is going to be interesting this year. I get they want to rejig the management but this is a rough day for a lot of people.

  111. defmn says:

    Darth Tu: Hmm. Their draft list is going to be interesting this year. I get they want to rejig the management but this is a rough day for a lot of people.

    Never a good time to lose your job but this has to be worse than most.

  112. N64 says:

    Darth Tu: Hmm. Their draft list is going to be interesting this year. I get they want to rejig the management but this is a rough day for a lot of people.

    ~ I did not catch this morning’s appearance on the Lowdown , but can we rule out Young Willis’s new job being in Buffalo? ~

  113. JimmyV1965 says:

    Reja: It’s all about the woman whether or not they’re happy and Vegas gets a big thumbs up.

    I’m not sure why it would matter. If the NHL wants to be safe, no one should leave quarantine. If they decide to allow people outside, Vegas would be very low on my list of places to visit in the summer. Golfing in +45 weather. No thanks.

  114. Material Elvis says:

    N64: ~ I did not catch this morning’s appearance on the Lowdown , but can we rule out Young Willis’s new job being in Buffalo? ~

    He said his new job was in sales — selling Jack Eichel on Buffalo’s future.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: We are closethat’s why Holland Obtained AAEnnis and Green he gave his coach enough to take a run and go deep in the playoffs. Does he make these moves if he knew we’d be in a 5 game no home ice just to get to the playoffs bullshit,probably not.

    I expect he would make the same moves, yes.

    The question I have is if the Hawks would move out Lehner and Gustafsson if they new they’d have a 5-game playoff to get in after their elders got rested up?

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis:
    Vegas as a summer hockey hub is absolutely dumb.I was hoping to watch good hockey but that ice won’t hold up, especially if the plan is to play three games per day on it.Nice hotels, though

    The T-Mobil arena is known for some of the best ice in the league and, if any place in the world knows how to keep places cool in summer, its Vegas.

    3 games a day on one-sheet of ice could be an issue but that would be anywhere.

    I personally don’t think the Vegas heat is an issue.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: What if he’s the real deal aka Patrick Roy, Carey Price, my man Andy Moog. Recently Carter Hart looks like a gem.

    What if he’s another Rick Dipietro or Leland Irving or Jack Campbell?

    He’s highly touted but so have been many goalies taken in the mid to late first round that didn’t pan out.

    He could be great but the risk of him busting is much greater than a skill forward taken in that spot.

    I don’t think the Oilers have enough organization depth to take that risk – in particular since the first round is deep in the exact type of prospect needed – not to put too much in to BPA.

  118. Reja says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why it would matter. If the NHL wants to be safe, no one should leave quarantine.If they decide to allow people outside, Vegas would be very low on my list of places to visit in the summer.Golfing in +45 weather. No thanks.

    The woman love the shows and some even indulge in gambling, but don’t tell anybody.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Exactly.

    I will be shocked if Holland picks a goaltender in the first round.There is no Carey Price in this draft.

    Agreed – its not his MO (even though he has drafted a couple in the first round over the decades) and I don’t think Askarov is the Carey Price or MAF level of prospect – but a tier down at least.

  120. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: What if he’s another Rick Dipietro

    Well at least you can’t sign anyone to 15 years now.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: Where were the Canucks?

    Petersson, Hughes, Boeser and….. Rafferty (Demko).

    The first two are exceptional and a plus 3rd….

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: They have Twin Arenas where the Knights practice. I am assuming they would quarantine those rinks. As long as 2 sheets of ice is enough??

    They have T-Mobil, for the games as well as the two sheets at Twin Arenas plus one other available sheet of ice for practice (I can’t remember the name but read a few times about the fourth piece of ice).

  123. Reja says:

    Covey leader calling H.H, come on H.H.
    Covey leader calling H.H.
    Covey leader to H.H, talk to me H.H

  124. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: What if he’s another Rick Dipietro or Leland Irving or Jack Campbell?

    He’s highly touted but so have been many goalies taken in the mid to late first round that didn’t pan out.

    He could be great but the risk of him busting is much greater than a skill forward taken in that spot.

    I don’t think the Oilers have enough organization depth to take that risk – in particular since the first round is deep in the exact type of prospect needed – not to put too much in to BPA.

    Holland surprised the shit out of me when he took a project like Broberg. We shall see and how we do in the playoffs might influence how he drafts.

  125. Brantford Boy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks you… sound advice…

  126. Reja says:

    Since H.H is MIA if anybody wants to go $100, I’ll take Leon against the field for the Hart.

  127. Reja says:

    Reja:
    Since H.H is MIA if anybody wants to go $100,I’ll take Leon against the field for the Hart.

    Oops I forgot to mention the $100 goes to this wonderful site or your choice of charity.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Never a good time to lose your job but this has to be worse than most.

    Maybe, maybe not though.

    Apparently there are dozens and dozens of amateur scout positions across the league that end on June 30 this year – not sure those will be “automatically extended” like player contracts.

    This may be a good time to be looking for an amateur scouting NHL job.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja:
    Covey leader calling H.H, come on H.H.
    Covey leader calling H.H.
    Covey leader to H.H, talk to me H.H

    Would Covey be the same as covfefe?

    Sports books are refunding bets made on incomplete seasons effectively considering them null and void since it is impossible to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

    https://www.thelines.com/futures-betting-tickets-when-sports-canceled/

    This applies to our bet as well.

    I had offered you an extension of the bet that would be fair to both parties but you refused the offer so I will assume you are not interested.

    Should you be willing to entertain a reasonable extension of the bet, let me know.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure why it would matter. If the NHL wants to be safe, no one should leave quarantine.If they decide to allow people outside, Vegas would be very low on my list of places to visit in the summer.Golfing in +45 weather. No thanks.

    Yup – the “bubble” should be cut off with general society and the NBA has agreed to fairly harsh ramifications for “leaving the hub” including mandatory 10-14 day self-isolaion, reduced comp for games missed and additional more thorough testing (nasal).

    I anticipate it will be similar for the NHL.

    I know that the players are live to being able to have things to do – Edmonton was going to quarantine off a golf course for example. You are right, that type of activity won’t be feasible in Vegas but they could have two-three hotels and their amenities available to them including pools, etc.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: Well at least you can’t sign anyone to 15 years now.

    Only one more year and the $4.5M yearly dead cap hit is gone.

    Its no Bobby Bonilla payout…

  132. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Would Covey be the same as covfefe?

    Sports books are refunding bets made on incomplete seasons effectively considering them null and void since it is impossible to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

    https://www.thelines.com/futures-betting-tickets-when-sports-canceled/

    This applies to our bet as well.

    I had offered you an extension of the bet that would befair to both parties but you refused the offer so I will assume you are not interested.

    Should you be willing to entertain a reasonable extension of the bet, let me know.

    Some of those betting houses have an 82 game season in their rule book.
    You did not make such stipulation
    You lost

  133. leadfarmer says:

    Yup Caesar’s is paying out individual stats bets.
    Unless HH had a stipulation for games played
    Pay up
    Or get lost

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of the draft, TSN’s final draft ranking show (McKenzie, Button, Duthie) will air on Monday.

    I think the (first) lottery is next Friday.

    I expect we ALL are hoping for at least one “placeholder” win? The intrigue.

  135. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup – the “bubble” should be cut off with general society and the NBA has agreed to fairly harsh ramifications for “leaving the hub” including mandatory 10-14 day self-isolaion, reduced comp for games missed and additional more thorough testing (nasal).

    I anticipate it will be similar for the NHL.

    I know that the players are live to being able to have things to do – Edmonton was going to quarantine off a golf course for example.You are right, that type of activity won’t be feasible in Vegas but they could have two-three hotels and their amenities available to them including pools, etc.

    I’ve heard the issue for Edmonton is a lack of high end hotels.

    While the hotel attached to the rink is 5 star there are no others in close proximity to the arena and with the need to house and feed so many players, staff and broadcast crews in one of two bubbles is problematical.

    Both Toronto and Vancouver have numerous 5 star hotels close to their arenas.

  136. godot10 says:

    Darth Tu: Hmm. Their draft list is going to be interesting this year. I get they want to rejig the management but this is a rough day for a lot of people.

    Krueger’s going to be doing it all by himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGrLb6W5YOM

  137. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: They have T-Mobil, for the games as well as the two sheets at Twin Arenas plus one other available sheet of ice for practice (I can’t remember the name but read a few times about the fourth piece of ice).

    I think you need four sheets plus T-Mobile, for the pre-tournament exhibitions and the play-in round.

  138. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Would Covey be the same as covfefe?

    Sports books are refunding bets made on incomplete seasons effectively considering them null and void since it is impossible to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

    https://www.thelines.com/futures-betting-tickets-when-sports-canceled/

    This applies to our bet as well.

    I had offered you an extension of the bet that would befair to both parties but you refused the offer so I will assume you are not interested.

    Should you be willing to entertain a reasonable extension of the bet, let me know.

    Glad to see you back. I might be out of line but did you used to sell used cars?

  139. Side says:

    HH’s desperation attempt is a sight to behold. Yikes.

  140. €√¥£€^$ says:

    godot10: Ralph has two years left at $3.9 million.Eichel, like Taylor Hall, has his best season under Krueger.I think he is safe for next season.

    Given his history, what are the chances Krueger gets fired over Zoom?

    What’s the over/under?

    What do you think HH?

    Whoops, too soon?

  141. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: What if he’s another Rick Dipietro or Leland Irving or Jack Campbell?

    He’s highly touted but so have been many goalies taken in the mid to late first round that didn’t pan out.

    He could be great but the risk of him busting is much greater than a skill forward taken in that spot.

    I don’t think the Oilers have enough organization depth to take that risk – in particular since the first round is deep in the exact type of prospect needed – not to put too much in to BPA.

    +1

  142. Glovjuice says:

    HH needs to be timed out due to a disgusting and almost flauntingly proud absence of character and integrity. And, bets on this forum go to charity as a general rule. Not paying up is a horrendous display of bourgeoisie entitlement that is simply gross.

  143. jtblack says:

    Harpers Hair: I’ve heard the issue for Edmonton is a lack of high end hotels.

    While the hotel attached to the rink is 5 star there are no others in close proximity to the arena and with the need to house and feed so many players, staff and broadcast crews in one of two bubbles is problematical.

    Both Toronto and Vancouver have numerous 5 star hotels close to their arenas.

    There is no doubt the NHL would love Toronto.

    EASTERN time zone
    MASSIVE city
    Close to New York (for Gary)
    Many Hotel Options
    Multiple rinks

  144. OilClog says:

    Harpers Hair: Would Covey be the same as covfefe?

    Sports books are refunding bets made on incomplete seasons effectively considering them null and void since it is impossible to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

    https://www.thelines.com/futures-betting-tickets-when-sports-canceled/

    This applies to our bet as well.

    I had offered you an extension of the bet that would befair to both parties but you refused the offer so I will assume you are not interested.

    Should you be willing to entertain a reasonable extension of the bet, let me know.

    No such situation was placed in your bet, Covey is Icelandic for pay up or ship out.

    Trying to rework, reword, play victim while suggesting you’re the one being reasonable is straight out of the millennial handbook.

    For every dishonored bet, Brogarth Rigbelly loses 5% hockey sense.

  145. jtblack says:

    when will the HH jabs stop?

    POINT made. I have had enough of them.

  146. unca miltie says:

    jtblack:
    when will the HH jabs stop?

    POINT made. Ihave had enough of them.

    This will not be the first dead horse that was beaten when it comes to HH aka DSF

  147. unca miltie says:

    on another note, I am trying to book a flight in September to go to Palm Springs to see my motor home. I have been on hold with messenger with WestJet since 1:45 PM to find out how to access my money from the cancelled flight in March, Interesting times. I am sure they don’t have much staff working and lots of people trying to contact them.

  148. Side says:

    jtblack:
    when will the HH jabs stop?

    POINT made. Ihave had enough of them.

    Anyone want in on this? Over-under on when the HH jabs will stop?

    HH?

  149. Lowetide says:

    Side: Anyone want in on this? Over-under on when the HH jabs will stop?

    Now. Let’s move on, please and thanks.

  150. deardylan says:

    “Quit while you’re ahead. All the best gamblers do.”

  151. deardylan says:

    Oops posted too late- it was more of a kudos but feel free to delete. Sorry.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: I’ve heard the issue for Edmonton is a lack of high end hotels.

    While the hotel attached to the rink is 5 star there are no others in close proximity to the arena and with the need to house and feed so many players, staff and broadcast crews in one of two bubbles is problematical.

    Both Toronto and Vancouver have numerous 5 star hotels close to their arenas.

    Yes, I’ve heard similar about the hotels in Edmonton.

    I was thinking that perhaps they could put all the players in the Marriot and the non-players could slum it at the Westin and Sutton Place but the Marriot only has 322 rooms (24 suites) and, with 32 player rosters (28 skater and 4 goalies), its not enough for all the players. It could be more as well as the 28 skaters plus unlimited goalies isn’t official, there was rumblings of perhaps 30 skaters being permitted.

  153. Ryan says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Hey LT! Leave those goalies alone! We don’t need no thought control…

    Ugh goalies… think the only time I’ve been completely on board with a goalie in the first round was way back to Fluery… “someone” said goalies are voodoo, and the added fact he’s Russian, well that’s worked out really well for us in the past.

    Lot’s of talk about bets in yesterday’s comments… got me thinking about the Oiler Death March… had a look and with Hunter prorating the end of season I noticed Mrs. Lowetide beat you LT… so, what did you lose in the bet?

    If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding…

    Off the top of my head, Dom had the Oilers for 83 points and Lowetide had 89.

    I went somewhat in the middle at 86. It took a worldwide pandemic and early season end for me to get a prediction within three points of the actual result.

    That’s how bad I am at predicting the Oilers point totals.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: I think you need four sheets plus T-Mobile, for the pre-tournament exhibitions and the play-in round.

    Maybe – I’m not sure.

    All the actual games, play-in and round robin will be at T-Mobil – 3 games per day I believe.

    Not sure how many sheets they need for practice, etc.

  155. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Maybe – I’m not sure.

    All the actual games, play-in and round robin will be at T-Mobil – 3 games per day I believe.

    Not sure how many sheets they need for practice, etc.

    There are five sheets of ice available for practice in nearby locations.

    Shouldn’t be a problem.

  156. godot10 says:

    The 2020 Stanley Cup Playoffs. #ATaleOfTwoCities

  157. Harpers Hair says:

    The carnage in Buffalo appears to spectacular.

    Taj (@taj1944) Tweeted:
    Elliotte on 650 said it might be close to 30 people that are let go by the Sabres.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Аrpon Basu
    @ArponBasu
    Just realized on the day the NHL stopped, the Sabres were to play in Montreal. Had they won in regulation, the Sabres would have had a .500 points %, the Canadiens would have been at .493. The Sabres would be in, Canadiens out. Would today’s massive firings had still happened?

  159. jtblack says:

    godot10:
    The 2020 Stanley Cup Playoffs.#ATaleOfTwoCities

    Made me Laugh !

  160. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Hey all

    Goalie is the most important position. I think that is where you need to be the most active if you don’t have a bona fide starter.

    You can’t buy Connor or Leon but they have them. Get a goalie and use the draft if you have no other good options IMO

  161. Scungilli Slushy says:

    As for NHL returning to play, o find it ridiculous that they are hyper vigilant over young healthy highly resourced people doing sports while at my business I repeatedly hear stories of people crossing the border basically being waved through by border agents with out of province and out of country plates.

    That the Feds still have a leaky border is beyond the pale. The numbers in most of Canada ‘flattened’ when the travel was at least largely restricted no?

    The double talk is the biggest problem with all of this. ‘Can’t give the pro athletes any special treatment’.

    Does the public in majority care? I think more would like to watch hockey and anything else fresh. The biggest threat to apathy about Covid setting in is the gaps in what is actually happening that is in the media daily and what we hear first hand and what citizens are being asked to sacrifice at the same time.

    The federal system the Privy Council left us long ago and a leader in way over his head showing a lot of poor outcomes as I see it.

  162. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer: Actually it’s about hospitalizations especially ICU beds.That’s what has the potential to change a low mortality,less than 1%, into much higher number.Deaths are sad but unfortunately that outcome is too late to change.

    Isn’t most of Canada well under potential capacity? Has it ever been over taxed?

    To me trying to run extremely low transmission which will never eliminate it and seeing increasing consequences everywhere else doesn’t make sense.

  163. N64 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    As for NHL returning to play, o find it ridiculous that they are hyper vigilant over young healthy highly resourced people doing sports while at my business I repeatedly hear stories of people crossing the border basically being waved through by border agents with out of province and out of country plates.

    That the Feds still have a leaky border is beyond the pale. The numbers in most of Canada ‘flattened’ when the travel was at least largely restricted no?

    The double talk is the biggest problem with all of this. ‘Can’t give the pro athletes any special treatment’.

    Does the public in majority care? I think more would like to watch hockey and anything else fresh. The biggest threat to apathy about Covid setting in is the gaps in what is actually happening that is in the media daily and what we hear first hand and what citizens are being asked to sacrifice at the same time.

    The federal system the Privy Council left us long ago and a leader in way over his head showing a lot of poor outcomes as I see it.

    Understood but the NHL thing was never about the border restrictions which never restricted crossing for occupational work. Hockey was already covered there with other biz

    The issue was the provinces 14 day quarantine rule vs the federal interpretation.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    As for NHL returning to play, o find it ridiculous that they are hyper vigilant over young healthy highly resourced people doing sports while at my business I repeatedly hear stories of people crossing the border basically being waved through by border agents with out of province and out of country plates.

    That the Feds still have a leaky border is beyond the pale. The numbers in most of Canada ‘flattened’ when the travel was at least largely restricted no?

    The double talk is the biggest problem with all of this. ‘Can’t give the pro athletes any special treatment’.

    Does the public in majority care? I think more would like to watch hockey and anything else fresh. The biggest threat to apathy about Covid setting in is the gaps in what is actually happening that is in the media daily and what we hear first hand and what citizens are being asked to sacrifice at the same time.

    The federal system the Privy Council left us long ago and a leader in way over his head showing a lot of poor outcomes as I see it.

    Yes, most of the players are young and healthy but some do have underlying conditions and some could be unknown at this time.

    Not to mention, there are more than just player – I don’t think the average head coach is young and health – more the opposite.

  165. N64 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Isn’t most of Canada well under potential capacity? Has it ever been over taxed?

    To me trying to run extremely low transmission which will never eliminate it and seeing increasing consequences everywhere else doesn’t make sense.

    Going forward low transmission regimes are likely to focus on a few things that seem to drive most transmission Iin lower density locales. Indoor social indoor gatherings. Stadium scale events. International tourism (quarantine ideally could be replaced by testing).

  166. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, most of the players are young and healthy but some do have underlying conditions and some could be unknown at this time.

    Not to mention, there are more than just player – I don’t think the average head coach is young and health – more the opposite.

    Personal risk to players is extremely minimal. It’s largely about keeping it out to avoid mass attack rates like recently seen at Fort Benning and Ft. Leonard Wood AFTER quarantine testing. PA and NHL want nothing jeopardizing completion.

  167. jp says:

    jtblack:
    here is why I DON’T draft Askarov in the 1st round …. if you look at Samsonov from the 2015 draft (highly ranked, went #23 overall), it has taken Samsonov 4 years to make NHL and he is still tweening between back up and starter …

    so if you use your 1st round bullet on Askarov, he most likely doesn’t help the team until Connor is in year 9 ….

    IMO a Forward has a chance to be an impact player in 2 – 3 years … same as a D. but I think with Bouchard and Broberg bubbling under, Edm should pick an F in the 1st round …

    I strongly suspect Holland isn’t going to bid McDavid and Draisaitl farewell with a pat on their backs when they reach UFA…

    At the end of “year 9” McDavid will be 27 and with 2 years left on his current deal. Year 9 is not the end point. Likewise year 11/UFA, IMO.

  168. maudite says:

    Reja:
    Covey leader calling H.H, come on H.H.
    Covey leader calling H.H.
    Covey leader to H.H, talk to me H.H

    I’d say a whole thread nearly absent a single strawman or red herring thrown up is winning a bet.

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