Training Camp Hopeful No. 1: Ryan Kuffner

I’m fascinated by Ryan Kuffner’s future in the Edmonton Oilers organization. He’s at an age (24) where Tyler Pitlick was wrapping up his Oilers career. Would Pitlick have been retained in a Holland administration? I think so. Let’s have a look at this Kuffner fellow.

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2019-20 AHL stats: 36, 6-5-11, 5-3-8 evens; EV GF-GA 13-14

1 Why are you starting with this guy? Holland signed him out of college (multiple teams pursued Kuffner) and then traded for him at the deadline. There’s a new sheriff in town, it behooves us to see how he conducts business.

2 Are you seriously considering him an NHL hopeful? In preparation for the ‘reasonable expectations’ series, I always establish a depth chart by position.

3 Yes? Among signed players who should be under control next season, I have Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Andreas Athanasiou, James Neal, Jujhar Khaira, Joakim Nygard, Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Ryan Kuffner. That’s eight men. If Ostap Safin plays LW he’s in and around Kuffner, who is not close to an NHL spot.

4 What does he have to recommend him? Kuffner was a big scorer in college, at Princeton. During his senior campaign in 2018-19, Kuffner’s 22 goals led the ECAC and ranked fourth in the nation.

5 How expensive is Princeton? If you have to ask the question….

6 So he had one good year? Not at all. Kuffner recorded 152 points (75-77-152) in 132 games with Princeton. He was also a member of the ECAC All-Academic Team in each of his first three seasons (2015-18).

7 What did Holland see in him? Kuffner’s NHLE’s in college were 14.8, 24.3, 33.2, 32.6. You never know with college free agents, some turn into useful players and Kuffner was a bet Holland felt worthwhile. Not Drake Caggiula territory but worth a contract.

8 What did Holland see in him? He had 75 goals on 485 shots in 132 games. That’s a 15.5 shooting percentage and 3.67 shots per game.

9 So he’s a shooter who scored no goals in 10 NHL games and six goals in the AHL? He’s a player with an identifiable skill, meaning there’s a path (however unlikely) to a higher career level.

10 Oh my God you think he’s going to play in the NHL! No, but he’s a better bet than a meh prospect who doesn’t have at least one dominant skill. Plus, Kuffner’s skill has a high degree of difficulty.

11 Okay, his AHL numbers, please. In 32 games with Grand Rapids, he scored 6-3-9 on 44 shots. He posted 1-1-2 on the power play, 5-2-7 at even strength. His shooting percentage was 13.6 and he averaged 1.38 shots per game. In Bakersfield, he played four games, posting two assists, one on the power play and one at evens, seven shots, 2-1 goal differential at even strength. 

12 Scouting report? Volume shooter. Mark Hillier from dobber prospects said Kuffner has good size, is smart and quick with a nose for the net and finds the open spots to receive passes

13 What role will he play in Bakersfield? He didn’t get much power-play time in the AHL during his freshman season, suspect the Condors will see what he can do. I also believe he’ll play on a skill line, possibly behind Benson and ahead of Gambardella.

14 Let’s get back to this ‘dominant skill thing’ and have you explain it. I think the DRW were more likely than Edmonton to draft a player who had an identifiable skill that could be projected as his path to the NHL. A good example came in 2012’s second round. The Oilers drafted Mitchell Moroz No. 32 overall, a player Craig Button described at the time as “a player who enjoys the physical game. He’s a very good skater.” Moroz scored 16 goals and 25 points in 66 WHL games during his draft year. Detroit took Martin Frk 17 selections later, Corey Pronman saying “he has one of the best shots in the draft with a one-timer that rockets off his tape that is equivalent to the shots of elite finishers.” Frk also scored 16 goals and posted 29 points, but in 34 QMJHL games as he lost half a season to injury (he suffered a concussion in the pre-season that kept him out until December).

15. Sure, that’s an example but a one-off right? Actually, there are many examples. In 2009, DRW drafted Tomas Tatar 20 picks after the Oilers picked Anton Lander.

16. Can you turn the tables? Yes, the Oilers had a fabulous 2015 draft while Detroit’s was poor.

17 What is the last great Detroit draft? It looks like Holland-Wright left the DRW with a fantastic 2018 draft. First four players are trending well.

18 Happy Canada Day, you jerk. You too. We’ll get through this together. I’ve never been happier to be a Canadian. Blessed.

Kuffner Projected 2020-21 AHL stats: 50 games, 14-14-28 .56 points per game

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  1. N64 says:

    Happy Canada Day. Only 2 free agents to sign today and looks like both are signing inr Canada ??

    the audience saw through the greatest most airtight bubble illusion before the magician even had all the props on stage.

    ? Clark County Covid chart

    Until this week did not think the NHL would pull Vegas. Had vegas+Pitt then Vegas+van then Vegas+tor.

    .Michael Russo
    @RussoHockey
    ·
    1h
    Final straw on Vegas as hub appears to have been the news reports about so many hotel/casino employees testing positive for COVID-19

    Defeats purpose of an NHL player/staff bubble if many hotel staffers were going to be able to enter society where coronavirus is still spreading

    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    ·
    1h
    Seemed so obvious to me that they should have pulled the plug on Vegas last week but for the longest time they felt the Vegas hub was so airtight it wouldn’t matter. Logic prevailed.

  2. John Chambers says:

    Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

    I hope we pull a coup again like we did in 2016 when we landed possession monster Milan Lucic!

  3. N64 says:

    John Chambers:
    Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

    I hope we pull a coup again like we did in 2016 when we landed possession monster Milan Lucic!

    Big whales sighted near Canada
    Now we wait for the key Nylander constituency to vote.

  4. deardylan says:

    Happy Canada Day! CBC Canada Day just announced Toronto and Edmonton Hub Cities! Is it confirmed?

  5. jp says:

    Agreed that Kuffner is fascinating, both the player himself and what his handling says about Holland.

    It’s very positive (and different) IMO that Holland bothered to trade for Kuffner and presumably give him another shot. His college numbers really are impressive, and he was a legit prospect one year ago. Still a long shot, no question, but he’s got a better chance at an NHL career than the majority of players currently in Bakersfield (IMO).

  6. jp says:

    Cool about the Olympics too, assuming it happens!

  7. Ivan says:

    Mackenzie:
    Barring any last-minute complications, and we have seen some of those (Vancouver and Las Vegas), the two NHL Hub cities will be Edmonton and Toronto.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, subject to the overall union vote, it looks like Edmonton (and Toronto) will indeed be a hub.

    While I am glad that Edmonton was chosen, frankly, that is somewhat inconsequential to me but I could’t be more excited:

    1) for the extended CBA that will come with this (if approved):

    – adding 4 years to the existing CBA guaranteeing labor peace for 6

    – agreeing to financial metrics to get through the reduced revenue period and keep the cap where it is (and actually go up in a few years). I believe the players are getting a great deal here, even with the 10% deferal – the owners are essentially agreeing to be made whole over years.

    – guaranteed Olympic participation (for the next couple Olympics

    – dealing with signing bonus parameters

    2) PLAYOFF HOCKEY BABY!

    No, we aren’t there – the players need to vote and its clear that the vote won’t be a no-brainer but I do believe that the majority on the post-season teams want to play and have their chance to complete the season and compete for the cup. Many have concerns, they are valid, and many will vote no but I think it will pass. It will be then interesting to see if more than a handful exercise their out option.

  9. deardylan says:

    Thanks. They announced it on CBC when thry were talking to PK Subban. He didnt look happy and said it is because he is sad that he won’t be able to lift the cup in Canada.

  10. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Well, subject to the overall union vote, it looks like Edmonton (and Toronto) will indeed be a hub.

    While I am glad that Edmonton was chosen, frankly, that is somewhat inconsequential to me but I could’t be more excited:

    1) for the extended CBA that will come with this (if approved):

    – adding 4 years to the existing CBA guaranteeing labor peace for 6

    – agreeing to financial metrics to get through the reduced revenue period and keep the cap where it is (and actually go up in a few years).I believe the players are getting a great deal here, even with the 10% deferal – the owners are essentially agreeing to be made whole over years.

    – guaranteed Olympic participation (for the next couple Olympics

    – dealing with signing bonus parameters

    2) PLAYOFF HOCKEY BABY!

    No, we aren’t there – the players need to vote and its clear that the vote won’t be a no-brainer but I do believe that the majority on the post-season teams want to play and have their chance to complete the season and compete for the cup.Many have concerns, they are valid, and many will vote no but I think it will pass. It will be then interesting to see if more than a handful exercise their out option.

    The key thing is no crossover. Tempting fate to ask a Nylander on Canada Day to sign up for Edmonton .

  11. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Ivan:
    Mackenzie:
    Barring any last-minute complications, and we have seen some of those (Vancouver and Las Vegas), the two NHL Hub cities will be Edmonton and Toronto.

    If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

  12. N64 says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

    NHL teams fly point to point

    ~ except for flying into Fargo to get to Winnipeg ~

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    I originally thought Kuffner was just a throw-in in the AA trade, to make the contract numbers work but, no, he is (or once was) a “real prospect”. That is a sparkling goal-scoring career at Princeton.

    A really really tough start to his pro career but it was his rookie pro season. Even older prospects need time to adjust sometimes – look at the difference between the 1st and 2nd years of Joe G.

    Of course, if he is going to re-establish himself, the time is now – I do project a middle/top 6 role for Kuffner – hopefully he puts his name back on the map.

  14. Jordan says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

    Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

    As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights. Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

  15. flea says:

    I’m shocked it’s all going to be in Canada but it’s the right call if they have any hope of finishing the season. NBA return to play is in serious jeopardy. It’ll be a great little stimulus for Edmonton, but I do wonder about blowback from the public if the teams create an outbreak coming into the City.

    Not going to get excited until they start playing, but doing it in Canada is the way to go.

  16. tileguy says:

    Looking out the window on this July 1st holiday, rain and 12 degrees. Who wouldn’t want to come to Edmonton? Hope this doesn’t backfire somehow, main stream media will have a field day if the players vote no.

  17. Pescador says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

    Cargo $$$
    I have no evidence

  18. N64 says:

    John Chambers:
    Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

    Big news breaks. Ahab gets his whale. And of course no LT on the radio

  19. N64 says:

    tileguy:
    Looking out the window on this July 1st holiday, rain and 12 degrees. Who wouldn’t want to come to Edmonton? Hope this doesn’t backfire somehow, main stream media will have a field day if the players vote no.

    Heading to 19C, but the rain thinks it’s still June today

    ~ NHL is doing Canadian Day today. Saturday they select US hubs. ~

    The silver lining in this double selection is that our “national” media will be tied up for months praising Toronto .

  20. godot10 says:

    Jordan: Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

    As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights.Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

    Calgary HAD more direct flights because they had more head offices and business travel, and because of the Municipal (or City Centre) Airport in Edmonton, which made it more efficient for Air Canada and whoever was the 2nd major carrier in Canada to prefer Canada as a hub and use Edmonton to feed it.

    Closing down the Municipal Airport and the rise of Fort McMurray balanced things out and resulted in Edmonton getting many more direct flights.

    The Municipal Airport hurt Edmonton’s development for decades.

  21. Pescador says:

    Jordan: Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

    As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights.Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

    And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
    Wait

  22. N64 says:

    Pescador: And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
    Wait

    Not a lot of refineries built in North American for decades flat out busy in Strathcona County you’d think.

  23. godot10 says:

    Pescador: And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
    Wait

    The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices.

    Also, the shale oil boom in the States is finally going bust.

    The alternative fake green energy will never really happen, because the curtain on filthy, toxic, radioactive rare earth metals mining and refining will no longer be able to be hidden in remote parts of China. No rare earth metals. No fake green energy revolution.

    The only alternative to oil is nuclear, and that has problems of its own.

  24. Brantford Boy says:

    Quick story… when I was young I would sit down with my grandparents for a meal, which was essentially everyday as they basically raised me, my French Canadian grandfather (who fought in WWII), used to sit down for dinner that my grandmother made (English nurse/ambulance driver in WWII). He’d look at the massive spread of food, look at me and say “Good Country Eh”. I knew at a very young age, he meant it could have turned out a lot different had we lost the war and that we should be thankful for the country we live in. Indeed Poppy, best country on the planet!
    Happy Canada Day everyone!
    Cheers Eh!

  25. alberta bound edmonton says:

    godot10,

    Do you mean “fake” in a Trump sense. How I hate this word. Green energy is an alternative. Let’s keep an open mind.

  26. Harpers Hair says:

    Happy Barry Bonilla Day!
    ·
    3 hours ago
    Yep, Bobby Bonilla is still on the Mets payroll
    July 1 is known in the baseball world as Bobby Bonilla Day, when every year until 2035 the New York Mets will pay the former outfielder $1,193,248.20. In 2000, the team opted to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla’s contract and agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

  27. N64 says:

    As expected by immunologists experimental early evidence that after the b-cell antibodies drop off the immune system may still have decent t-cell protection. Potentially great news for infected and vaccinated.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

  28. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Happy Barry Bonilla Day!
    ·
    3 hours ago
    Yep, Bobby Bonilla is still on the Mets payroll
    July 1 is known in the baseball world as Bobby Bonilla Day, when every year until 2035 the New York Mets will pay the former outfielder $1,193,248.20. In 2000, the team opted to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla’s contract and agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

    They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

  29. N64 says:

    @TSNRyanRishaug 35m
    Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change – (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league…

    @TSNRyanRishaug 35m
    None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league…

    @TSNRyanRishaug 35m
    Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require busing)

  30. BONE207 says:

    Pescador: Cargo $$$
    I have no evidence

    Happy Canada Day ???

    What evidence do you need?
    Everyone knows that cows are heavier than people. Ching ching…?

  31. Harpers Hair says:

    N64: They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

    It must be a NY kinda thing.

    The Islanders are paying Rick DiPietro $1.5 million/season until until 2028/29

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Really curious to hear about the phase 3 protocols that are agreed to and being voted on.

    I’ve got to assume that the players are essentially restricted to a “home and rink quarantine bubble” and won’t be permitted to be out and about in society once camp starts. That has to be the case in order to minimize the amount of positives contracted at this point. Shit, I hope that that quarantine is expanded to close contacts of the players, coaches, staff at well – yes, the families of the players. That seems like a stretch to restrict family but it gives them the best shot of getting through stage 3 and in to the even more protected stage 4.

    I really hope that the players are being smart now – restricting and protecting themselves as we are on the eve of camp.

  33. Munny says:

    Happy Canada Day, all.

  34. BONE207 says:

    N64: They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

    Put up his number now & blow up the stadium in 2035. Get rid of 2 curses at once.

  35. leadfarmer says:

    Anyone have music recs for Canada day?
    Got the Hip
    Matthew good band
    Our lady peace
    No Nickelback!
    Tea party
    Rush
    Econoline crush

  36. geowal says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

    Calgary is a bigger, busier airport and it’s not close. From a financial point of view, it’s more “on the way for domestic flights between Vancouver and Toronto. And, similar to Denver, the extra elevation makes it a tad cheaper for fuel consumption at takeoff.

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    Anyone have music recs for Canada day?
    Got the Hip
    Matthew good band
    Our lady peace
    No Nickelback!
    Tea party
    Rush
    Econoline crush

    Blue Rodeo
    Joni Mitchell
    Corb Lund
    Spirit of the West
    Personal favourite…Harry Manx

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Athletic with a nice piece regarding an interview with Dave Andrews and Scott Howson (outgoing and incoming president of the AHL).

    https://theathletic.com/1899840/2020/07/01/ahls-changing-of-the-guard-a-conversation-with-dave-andrews-and-scott-howson/

    Of course, what next season looks like in the AHL is in flux just like the NHL – when it starts, how many games, if all teams can play, etc.

    They have asked each organization what level of “fan capacity” is needed for them to play.

    Howson talked about the possibility of “regional tournaments” in the fall – wouldn’t be officially part of the “AHL season” if all teams cannot play but it could be organized to give some teams the ability to have their players play in empty arenas so their prospects are developing.

    I think the Condors should be in pretty good shape with a deep pockets owner (i.e Katz) as long as Katz is still willing to pay given current world economics.

    This will be fascinating to keep an eye on.

  39. Ribs says:

    N64: @TSNRyanRishaug 35m
    Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require busing)

    Are the DCA and Terwilliger rinks NHL size?

  40. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Really curious to hear about the phase 3 protocols that are agreed to and being voted on.

    I’ve got to assume that the players are essentially restricted to a “home and rink quarantine bubble” and won’t be permitted to be out and about in society once camp starts. That has to be the case in order to minimize the amount of positives contracted at this point. Shit, I hope that that quarantine is expanded to close contacts of the players, coaches, staff at well – yes, the families of the players.That seems like a stretch to restrict family but it gives them the best shot of getting through stage 3 and in to the even more protected stage 4.

    I really hope that the players are being smart now – restricting and protecting themselves as we are on the eve of camp.

    Millionaire 20>35 year olds that are strong as Oxus with raging hormones, what could possibly go wrong.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    In Edmonton, there will be a multiple block bubble that includes the recently-built JW Marriott, the Sutton Place Hotel, the state-of-the-art Rogers Place and the arena’s attached practice sheet of ice. A wall will literally be built around the bubble, sources said.

    In Toronto, the bubble will include a 40-acre campus-like village on the grounds of the Exhibition Place, which includes BMO Field, the OVO Athletic Centre, Coca-Cola Coliseum and the 404-room Hotel X.

    ——————–

    There are expected to be 50 members of each team’s traveling party. All those members, as well as NHL staff, tasked with setting up the hubs and the extensive testing that will be needed frequently for players, coaches, team staffers and support staff, will have waivers to avoid Canada’s mandatory 14-day quarantine for anyone who crosses the border.

    Instead, it’s believed there will be a shorter length, quarantine in the “bubble” once the NHL arrives in Canada. If U.S. media want to travel to Canada to cover the league’s return, reporters will have to follow Canadian government quarantine protocols, a source said.

    https://theathletic.com/1904466/2020/07/01/sources-edmonton-toronto-chosen-as-nhl-hub-cities/

  42. Gerta Rauss says:

    I had a dream last night we signed Eric Belanger to a 3 year contract

    Happy Canada day all!!

  43. Ribs says:

    N64,

    Cool! Thanks!

  44. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I had a dream last night we signed Eric Belanger to a 3 year contract

    Happy Canada day all!!

    Your dream came true!

    They even named a triangle after him…

    That’s why we call July 4th, Happy Compliance Day.

  45. Reja says:

    Even though I don’t think Gary will be able to pull this off I’m giving it a better chance than B-ball and their inflated egos.

  46. N64 says:

    Reja:
    Even though I don’t think Gary will be able to pull this off I’m giving it a better chance than B-ball and their inflated egos.

    Or the NFL and their inflated footballs.

  47. alberta bound edmonton says:

    Sorry LT. Forgot about the T ban. Won’t happen again.

  48. Ancient Oilers Fan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Anyone have music recs for Canada day?

    For the more highbrow, but definitely patriotic, Arrogant Worms:

    Canada’s Really Big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RPp4dbam8

    Proud to be Canadian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T3coiH-ss

    When Canada Rules the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G84iG3Ny3o

    Rocks and Trees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G84iG3Ny3o

    We are Beaver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWX8uWf2LhQ

  49. Shane says:

    Jordan: Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

    As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights.Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

    We also have three coal power plants just west of the city do deal with.
    The weather systems generally moving west to east.

  50. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: If U.S. media want to travel to Canada to cover the league’s return, reporters will have to follow Canadian government quarantine protocols, a source said.

    Stringer time.

  51. N64 says:

    BONE207: Put up his number now & blow up the stadium in 2035. Get rid of 2 curses at once.

    And Russia will only have 1 year left on Putin’s contract at that point.

  52. Reja says:

    Shane: We also have three coal power plants just west of the city do deal with.
    The weather systems generally moving west to east.

    Install scrubbers or convert over to natural gas. Problem solved

  53. Shane says:

    godot10: The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices.

    Also, the shale oil boom in the States is finally going bust.

    The alternative fake green energywill never really happen, because the curtain on filthy, toxic, radioactive rare earth metals mining and refining will no longer be able to be hidden in remote parts of China.No rare earth metals.No fake green energy revolution.

    The only alternative to oil is nuclear, and that has problems of its own.

    The new nuclear plants are supposed to be much safer and much cleaner than the old ones.

    However, there’s a company that’s been experimenting(and has had a successful test site) the last couple years with drilling down and around abandoned well sites(which have up to 80% of fuels still leftover) and super heating the well from underneath. They put a filter at the end of the (already existing)drill stem which only allows hydrogen to escape and leaves the carbon emissions(and other byproducts) in the ground.

    Hydrogen burns 99% clean with only pure water as a byproduct of refining.

    Big investment money needed to make the next step(refining facility test site) but the interesting thing about it is that most of the infrastructure is there already(well sites, roads, in some cases power, etc)

    Seems too good to be true, zero emissions and the reinvigorating of a dying O&G industry..

  54. Shane says:

    Reja: Install scrubbers or convert over to natural gas. Problem solved

    When the NDP put in the climate act, shutting down the coal plants by 2030 was the plan. Replacing them with(I believe) natural gas and augmenting with renewables(wind, water, solar)

    With the UCP now I have no idea they’re still committed to that plan.

  55. N64 says:

    Shane: However, there’s a company that’s been experimenting(and has had a successful test site) the last couple years with drilling down and around abandoned well sites(which have up to 80% of fuels still leftover) and super heating the well from underneath. They put a filter at the end of the (already existing)drill stem which only allows hydrogen to escape and leaves the carbon emissions(and other byproducts) in the ground.

    In situ refineries. Would be nice for the in situ setups at Alberta’s famous Hydrogen Sands you’d suspect

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers have entered in to a multi-year extension with their ECHL affiliate in Wichita.

    Good stuff.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    From accounts, the phase 3/4 player opt out that will be included in the protocol will be essentially “for any reason”.

    I’m sure a handful will exercise that right but my guess is that the vast majority will return to their teams and be enthused to play hockey and compete for the cup.

    Will be interesting to see where this goes – only 9 days until camp starts (although it seems likely that will get pushed back to around the 13th of July).

  58. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Oilers have entered in to a multi-year extension with their ECHL affiliate in Wichita.

    Good stuff.

    Extensions to average in the pandemic years seem to be the order of the day.

  59. Shane says:

    N64: In situ refineries. Would be nice for Alberta’s famous Hydrogen Sands I think.

    I could be wrong. But In situ refineries use steam to bring bitumen up through the well.

    This is not what I’m talking about, they drill around the reserve cavity, super heat it(with steam yes) essentially boiling the product. Hydrogen rises to the top and is filtered out.

    No bitumen, no emissions.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    Shane: The new nuclear plants are supposed to be much safer and much cleaner than the old ones.

    Well that’s certainly a comfort.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gotta despise Kesler but I do think its cool that he’s quipping back on the “holding the pad” mantra:

    Ryan Kesler
    @Ryan_Kesler
    I’d blame your boy Nurse for the unnecessary cross check to the back. I never would of been in the crease if it wasn’t for him. Oh and the fact you guys blew a 3 goal lead with 3 mins left.

  62. Reja says:

    godot10: The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices.

    Also, the shale oil boom in the States is finally going bust.

    The alternative fake green energywill never really happen, because the curtain on filthy, toxic, radioactive rare earth metals mining and refining will no longer be able to be hidden in remote parts of China.No rare earth metals.No fake green energy revolution.

    The only alternative to oil is nuclear, and that has problems of its own.

    Years ago the Alberta government came closer then a lot of people think to building a nuke plant in Peace River. Nuclear power is the cleanest energy going by a county mile would of been quite a boom for the area and the province.

  63. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Gotta despise Kesler but I do think its cool that he’s quipping back on the “holding the pad” mantra:

    Ryan Kesler
    @Ryan_Kesler
    I’d blame your boy Nurse for the unnecessary cross check to the back. I never would of been in the crease if it wasn’t for him. Oh and the fact you guys blew a 3 goal lead with 3 mins left.

    And the fact that Tabolt couldn’t make a save when it counted it’s been all downhill for him after that game.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: Years ago the Alberta government came closer then a lot of people think to building a nuke plant in Peace River. Nuclear power is the cleanest energy going by a county mile would of been quite a boom for thearea and the province.

    As i recall the Peace River mayor who supported the nuclear plant was soundly thrashed in the next election, and since then Peace River has had an openly hostile to nukes city hall.

    What a stupid idea. Building a potential freaking Chernobyl right in the middle of pristine wilderness.

  65. krakman says:

    Shane: When the NDP put in the climate act, shutting down the coal plants by 2030 was the plan. Replacing them with(I believe) natural gas and augmenting with renewables(wind, water, solar)

    With the UCP now I have no idea they’re still committed to that plan.

    The UCP plan is to use our pensions to prop up the oil industry until everything gets back to normal oil goes back to $100 per barrel and we can all retire early from the profits.

  66. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: As i recall the Peace River mayor who supported the nuclear plant was soundly thrashed in the next election, and since then Peace River has had an openly hostile to nukes city hall.

    What a stupid idea. Building a potential freaking Chernobyl right in the middle of pristine wilderness.

    Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. 78 people died as a result of a flawed Soviet design and poor operating training.

    47 people died in the Lac Megantic oil train derailment.

    For context, 230,000 died in 1978 in a hydro electric dam failure in China.

    Nuclear is easily the safest energy source as long as you don’t let the people who designed the Lada build them or they are constructed in tsunami zones.

  67. Shane says:

    Harpers Hair,

    HH if you think only 78 people died because of Chernobyl you either went to the KGB School for Journalism or you’re just flat out trolling.

  68. Harpers Hair says:

    Shane:
    Harpers Hair,

    HH if you think only 78 people died because of Chernobyl you either went to the KGB School for Journalism or you’re just flat out trolling.

    How many died?

    Please provide a credible link.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. 78 people died as a result of a flawed Soviet design and poor operating training.

    47 people died in the Lac Megantic oil train derailment.

    For context, 230,000 died in 1978 in a hydro electric dam failure in China.

    Nuclear is easily the safest energy source as long as you don’t let the people who designed the Lada build them or they are constructed in tsunami zones.

    “The people who built the Lada” as you call are one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth.

    What a pathetic, arrogant, lame opinion and worthy of being tossed into the bin. If you want a mentally lame brained place look no further than Victoria British Columbia, home of absolutely nothing exceptional.

  70. godot10 says:

    krakman: The UCP plan is to use our pensions to prop up the oil industry until everything gets back to normal oil goes back to $100 per barrel and we can all retire early from the profits.

    The so-called-greenies plan is to make Bolivia a prison state dominated by the rich north and steal all the lithium from their indigenous peoples, leaving a wasteland behind.

  71. geowal says:

    Shane: When the NDP put in the climate act, shutting down the coal plants by 2030 was the plan. Replacing them with(I believe) natural gas and augmenting with renewables(wind, water, solar)

    With the UCP now I have no idea they’re still committed to that plan.

    100% gas conversion is already happening on some of the coal plants, the pipelines are nearly setup if not already.

  72. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: The so-called-greenies plan is to make Bolivia a prison state dominated by the rich north and steal all the lithium from their indigenous peoples, leaving a wasteland behind.

    Considering that the entire American leftist worldview is virtually taught directly from childhood Disney propaganda that clearly teaches that all non-Americans are sub-human…

    PS: The American right worldview is also virtually taught directly from childhood Disney propaganda that clearly teaches that non-Americans are subhuman.

  73. Shane says:

    Harpers Hair: How many died?

    Please provide a credible link.

    Well geez, we would have to first start by agreeing on what’s a credible source(tough these days).
    Here’s a BBC article stating that the ‘official count’ was 31 people. Although there’s evidence that a further 4,000 people died due to the radiation. Not too mention health conditions of survivors and birth defects in children.

    Nowhere in the article does it say 78.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190725-will-we-ever-know-chernobyls-true-death-toll

  74. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. 78 people died as a result of a flawed Soviet design and poor operating training.

    47 people died in the Lac Megantic oil train derailment.

    For context, 230,000 died in 1978 in a hydro electric dam failure in China.

    Nuclear is easily the safest energy source as long as you don’t let the people who designed the Lada build them or they are constructed in tsunami zones.

    There are tens of thousands and perhaps millions of people indirectly killed or injured from Chernobyl.

  75. geowal says:

    hunter1909: As i recall the Peace River mayor who supported the nuclear plant was soundly thrashed in the next election, and since then Peace River has had an openly hostile to nukes city hall.

    What a stupid idea. Building a potential freaking Chernobyl right in the middle of pristine wilderness.

    Bruce power (not the Alberta government) completely botched first location selection by putting it on Lac Cardinal (and the Grimshaw gravels aquifer to boot). By the time they moved to a relatively more reasonable location north of Peace River (not on a provincial park, better Geology, etc) their credibility was shot and never recovered. Just so happens I’m about a 15 minute drive from that spot right now.
    The politics of the Town of Peace River were relatively inconsequential to me.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    geowal: Bruce power (not the Alberta government) completely botched first location selection by putting it on Lac Cardinal (and the Grimshaw gravels aquifer to boot). By the time they moved to a relatively more reasonable location north of Peace River (not on a provincial park, better Geology, etc) their credibility was shot and never recovered. Just so happens I’m about a 15 minute drive from that spot right now.
    The politics of the Town of Peace River were relatively inconsequential to me.

    In other words this uber conscientious for profit nuke company with its private jet made available for the then Peace River mayor to fly around in, didn’t even have the intelligence to site their “death machine” in a reasonable location? Yet, because they have lots of “scientists” to “prove” their argument they deserve a fair hearing. Yikes.

  77. Reja says:

    geowal: Bruce power (not the Alberta government) completely botched first location selection by putting it on Lac Cardinal (and the Grimshaw gravels aquifer to boot). By the time they moved to a relatively more reasonable location north of Peace River (not on a provincial park, better Geology, etc) their credibility was shot and never recovered. Just so happens I’m about a 15 minute drive from that spot right now.
    The politics of the Town of Peace River were relatively inconsequential to me.

    Question for you without trying to be bias does the pulp mill and especially during shutdowns help benefit the majority of townies?

  78. Victoria Oil says:

    Harpers Hair: Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. 78 people died as a result of a flawed Soviet design and poor operating training.

    47 people died in the Lac Megantic oil train derailment.

    For context, 230,000 died in 1978 in a hydro electric dam failure in China.

    Nuclear is easily the safest energy source as long as you don’t let the people who designed the Lada build them or they are constructed in tsunami zones.

    The Netflix mini-series on Bill Gates had an episode on his plans for a safer form of nuclear energy. Worth seeing.

  79. Reja says:

    Who’s the biggest Hockey star to come out of Peace River area is it Chris Osgood or am l missing someone?

  80. Norm Hallman says:

    Shane,

    Hygienic Earth Energy
    http://proton.energy/

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    Shane: Well geez, we would have to first start by agreeing on what’s a credible source(tough these days).
    Here’s a BBC article stating that the ‘official count’ was 31 people. Although there’s evidence that a further 4,000 people died due to the radiation. Not too mention health conditions of survivors and birth defects in children.

    Nowhere in the article does it say 78.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190725-will-we-ever-know-chernobyls-true-death-toll

    Agree that it is difficult to get credible sources particularly when the incident occurred in opaque jurisdictions.

    Also agree there were impacts of radiation as you sat.

    But let’s remember those 230,000 Cihiense dam collapse victims didn’t wait to die.

    Also worth noting the the WHO estimates 7 million people die each year from air pollution primarily from the burning of coal, oil and gas.

    Replace those power plants with nuclear and those deaths would drop dramatically.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    In my opinion, all players should be effectively quarantining in any event. Less than two weeks before camp, they should all be very particular about going anywhere and doing everything they can to ensure they are Covid free entering camp:

    Per eric engels

    Sources informing me NHL training camps, as speculated, will begin July 13. Also, any player arriving back to their playing city via commercial flight will have to immediately quarantine for seven days.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Happy Barry Bonilla Day!
    ·
    3 hours ago
    Yep, Bobby Bonilla is still on the Mets payroll
    July 1 is known in the baseball world as Bobby Bonilla Day, when every year until 2035 the New York Mets will pay the former outfielder $1,193,248.20. In 2000, the team opted to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla’s contract and agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

    Yup – one of my favorite tidbits in all of sports.

    He’ll be getting that yearly cheque until he’s 72……

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja:
    Even though I don’t think Gary will be able to pull this off I’m giving it a better chance than B-ball and their inflated egos.

    I’m highly confidant the players will vote “yes” even though many have concerns (healthy, family, logistics, etc.) and some just don’t want to play, however, in the end, the Return to Play is tied to the CBA extension that, from everything I know about it (high level) is a pretty big win for the players – huge for them financially over the next couple years, provides labor peace for over half a decade and guarantees the Olympic participation they want (s/t IOC approval).

    The virus may end it at any point in time but they keep taking steps forward and those in Edmonton will start building that wall soon – yes, a literal wall will be going up around the bubble (or parts thereof).

  85. Lowetide says:

    Reja:
    Who’s the biggest Hockey star to come out of Peace River areais it Chris Osgood or am l missing someone?

    Osgood is the correct answer, but Kelly Kisio was a fine player.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Training camp is 12 days away, how effing exciting is that?

  87. Silver Streak says:

    godot10: Calgary HAD more direct flights because they had more head offices and business travel, and because of the Municipal (or City Centre) Airport in Edmonton, which made it more efficient for Air Canada and whoever was the 2nd major carrier in Canada to prefer Canada as a hub and use Edmonton to feed it.

    Closing down the Municipal Airport and the rise of Fort McMurray balanced things out and resulted in Edmonton getting many more direct flights.

    The Municipal Airport hurt Edmonton’s development for decades.

    We would not have our shiny new toy had the old “Muni” airport not been removed….land values with the increased height allowance made the project viable.

  88. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Training camp is 12 days away, how effing exciting is that?

    Very. We can all use a good distraction these days.

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. 78 people died as a result of a flawed Soviet design and poor operating training.

    47 people died in the Lac Megantic oil train derailment.

    For context, 230,000 died in 1978 in a hydro electric dam failure in China.

    Nuclear is easily the safest energy source as long as you don’t let the people who designed the Lada build them or they are constructed in tsunami zones.

    France gets 72% of its power from nuclear. Never heard of an incident there.

  90. Shane says:

    Norm Hallman,

    Yup. That’s the one. Thanks

  91. N64 says:

    Shane: I could be wrong. But In situ refineries use steam to bring bitumen up through the well.

    This is not what I’m talking about, they drill around the reserve cavity, super heat it(with steam yes) essentially boiling the product. Hydrogen rises to the top and is filtered out.

    No bitumen, no emissions.

    Any in situ tech that extracts hydrogen from hydrocarbons where they sit will be of great interest. Would be great if there’s also an angle to leave the bitumen in the ground and pull the hydrogen from our Hydrocarbon Sands.

  92. Shane says:

    N64,

    They’ve developed a filter to leave the bitumen in the ground.

    See Norms link above ^

  93. Shane says:

    JimmyV1965,

    No, no incidents that I’ve heard of either.

    They have however had issues with waste disposal. They were burying it for awhile I believe.
    But I also had read about a facility in Cap de la Hague where they’ve been recycling it.

  94. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: France gets 72% of its power from nuclear. Never heard of an incident there.

    They still have no permanent site built for their most dangerous nuclear waste, which is piling up.

    They have a plan. The United States has a plan. Even Canada has a plan. But nothing ever gets built, and the pile of stuff gets bigger.

  95. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: France gets 72% of its power from nuclear. Never heard of an incident there.

    The United States has been the largest producer of nuclear energy since the early 50’s and has recorded 11 fatalities related to the industry.

    Name any other industry with a lower rate of work place fatalities than that.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_the_United_States

  96. N64 says:

    Shane:
    N64,

    They’ve developed a filter to leave the bitumen in the ground.

    See Norms link above ^

    Nice. Alberta Hydrogen Sands (leaving carbon in the ground) has nice ring to it.

    Another step along the in situ path. First mines were strip mines for Shallow deposits which fueled the current tech that leaves sand in the ground

  97. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Training camp is 12 days away, how effing exciting is that?

    I’m pretty damn excited. Hard to believe it’s that soon. Sure hope things go smoothly!

  98. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Training camp is 12 days away, how effing exciting is that?

    Ennis-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Athanasiou-Sheahan-Archibald
    Neal-Khaira-Chiasson
    Nygard-Haas-Russell
    (Benson-Granlund-Marody)
    (McLeod)

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russell-Green
    Jones-Benning
    (Lagesson-Bouchard)
    (Broberg)

    Koskinen-Smith
    (Skinner-Rodrigue)

    That team could do some damage.

  99. godot10 says:

    If the rest of Canada and the world continue to landlock Alberta energy, we have the option to become a crypto mining superpower. Stranded energy can now be transformed into “money” directly. i.e. It disintermediates the need for a “consumer” of energy, in the transformation of energy into money.

    The world needs hash power in a safe jurisdictions.

    Hash power in the crypto networks will be a matter of national security, to make sure Canada has a seat at the table to secure the crypto assets of Canadian financial institutions and citizens in the not to distant future.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Ennis-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Athanasiou-Sheahan-Archibald
    Neal-Khaira-Chiasson
    Nygard-Haas-Russell
    (Benson-Granlund-Marody)
    (McLeod)

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russell-Green
    Jones-Benning
    (Lagesson-Bouchard)
    (Broberg)

    Koskinen-Smith
    (Skinner-Rodrigue)

    That team could do some damage.

    That is exactly how I see Tip and Playfair starting game 1 (subject to injury or something unexpected at camp like an out of shape player), except:

    1) I think Tip will start Smith unless there is separation during camp putting Mikko clearly ahead.

    2) I could see Jones getting the start over Rusty given usage in 2020 but do think Rusty will get the start.

    On point 1, to be clear, I believe Mikko was the better goalie this year and deserves the start (and Kevin Woodly had some great numbers putting Mikko near the top 10 in GSAA and even higher in 2020) but, of course, we know Smith is “Tippett’s guy”.

  101. godot10 says:

    jp: Ennis-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Athanasiou-Sheahan-Archibald
    Neal-Khaira-Chiasson
    Nygard-Haas-Russell
    (Benson-Granlund-Marody)
    (McLeod)

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russell-Green
    Jones-Benning
    (Lagesson-Bouchard)
    (Broberg)

    Koskinen-Smith
    (Skinner-Rodrigue)

    That team could do some damage.

    I think we might see.

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

  102. defmn says:

    godot10: I think we might see.

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see that either.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: I think we might see.

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

    Perhaps, but given how good Larsson was in 2020, I think he’ll face the toughs, in particular in the playoffs.

    Oscar/Larsson were almost 56% GF in 2020 and they essentially shares the TOI vs. Elites with the Bear Nurse pairing – Oscar was the highest in 2020 at almost 39%.

  104. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is exactly how I see Tip and Playfair starting game 1 (subject to injury or something unexpected at camp like an out of shape player), except:

    1) I think Tip will start Smith unless there is separation during camp putting Mikko clearly ahead.

    2) I could see Jones getting the start over Rusty given usage in 2020 but do think Rusty will get the start.

    On point 1, to be clear, I believe Mikko was the better goalie this year and deserves the start (and Kevin Woodly had some great numbers putting Mikko near the top 10 in GSAA and even higher in 2020) but, of course, we know Smith is “Tippett’s guy”.

    Agreed on all of that. I’m generally agree with this lineup but it’s more my take on what Tippett will do than necessarily what I’d do. I let Koskinen over Smith (my opinion) slip in there but agree Smith is very likely.

  105. tileguy says:

    Neal, Khaira, Chiasson. So happy (I hope) to get to see this combination in the playoffs. They will be a forceful, shit disturbing, point producing line. Gold!

  106. jp says:

    godot10: I think we might see.

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

    It’s conceivable, if Tippett tries it and likes it in the warm-ups. Realistically that’s more a start of the season or down the stretch if they’d have time to try things alignment though (IMO). I don’t think Tippett or Holland believe there’s enough time to try new things at this stage. It will be interesting to see though.

  107. Munny says:

    jp: I don’t think Tippett or Holland believe there’s enough time to try new things at this stage.

    This.

    Especially since three of the forward lines aren’t exactly locked in.

  108. geowal says:

    Reja: Question for you without trying to be bias does the pulp mill and especially during shutdowns help benefit the majority of townies?

    The mill benefits the town sure. Shutdown workers come from a range of areas, including the town, and often stay in town. Even though the mill isn’t in town, nor would a nuke plant have been.
    My bias, for reference (everybody has one) is often against the town. It has an outsized opinion of itself relative to both its size and the surrounding counties. That’s why I’m dismissive of the pork politics that Hunter is not so subtly alluding to, but I remember quite well the way opinion shifted, which was quite related to the original location imo (I don’t think many people change their opinion based on an official’s junkets to Ontario, but maybe.)

    I agree Chris Osgood is the best known player, but I don’t think he really “grew up” here, but not totally sure.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy:
    Neal, Khaira, Chiasson. So happy (I hope) to get to see this combination in the playoffs. They will be a forceful, shit disturbing, point producing line. Gold!

    Possession numbers were poor but 3-0 in goals in 35 minutes – about even defensive zone and offensive zone starts (one extra defensive zone).

  110. Munny says:

    jp: Neal-Khaira-Chiasson

    I’d like to find a way to get some speed and passing on that line.

    If Khaira and Sheahan are the bottom two Cs. I’d be tempted to replace Chiasser with Haas.

    Don’t know what Tipp’s plan of attack for the playoffs will be… but I’d expect a bit of a revolving door in the bottom 6.

  111. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Kettle, meet pot.

    Unnecessary cross check? Stay out of the crease.

    It’s like he thinks people don’t know who he is/how he played, and what playoff hockey looks like.

  112. Munny says:

    Well, that’s the most I’ve ever seen our town spend on fireworks.

  113. jp says:

    Munny: I’d like to find a way to get some speed and passing on that line.

    If Khaira and Sheahan are the bottom two Cs. I’d be tempted to replace Chiasser with Haas.

    Don’t know what Tipp’s plan of attack for the playoffs will be… but I’d expect a bit of a revolving door in the bottom 6.

    I can see the appeal of Neal-Khaira-Chiasson. I’m not convinced it will work, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it did.

    IMO those guys are all decently skilled (passing wise). They look ugly doing it but they get it done a lot of times. Haas has more quickness for sure but I haven’t seen much to suggest he’s a better passer or scorer than Neal-Kharia-Chiasson (I know many disagree).

    I do agree the bottom 6 will probably be quite fluid beyond the Sheahan-Archibald pair.

    On Chiasson vs. Haas, they scored similarly at 5v5 on the year. Chiasson was much better after January though (1.21/60 vs 0.57/60). They both had great on ice results (and underlying numbers) on the season, though IIRC Chiasson’s were slightly better. (Acknowledging that Chiasson probably had better linemates on average than Haas)

    I’m pretty sure keys for Tippett and Holland (to start at least) will be role and experience. Khaira is an important penalty killer. Neal and Chiasson split time on PP1 and both had good on ice numbers. But FWIW Chiasson’s were quite a bit better (Neal ~10.0 GFon/60, Chiasson ~13.5 GFon/60 with Nuge).

    Last but not least, Neal and Chiasson are the only 2 Oilers (I think) to have played in the cup finals. I’d be very surprised if they weren’t in the lineup to start the play-in round. That said, I do agree their lineup spots are vulnerable if that line isn’t effective right away.

  114. PREDICKTER says:

    I have not seen mention of which hub city gets the final round, but if the oilers win the Cup, McDavid will be hoisting it either in his home rink or his hometown. I wouldn’t bet against a rested and refocused McDavid. Oh, plus that other guy we got. Let’s Go Oilers. 2020 Cup Champions.

  115. Munny says:

    N64: Nice. Alberta Hydrogen Sands (leaving carbon in the ground) has nice ring to it.

    Another step along the in situ path. First mines were strip mines for Shallow deposits which fueled the current tech that leaves sand in the ground

    Curious that the one link returning a 404 error on the site is the link to the economics of the process. I guess we will never know the EIEO equation either.

    Also no comment on the emissions resulting from oxidation and subsequent heating of hydrocarbons prior to reaching the optimum temp for Hydrogen production.

    And then there is the production itself.

    I mean if H2 is what is being produced the other byproduct pretty much has to be carbon monoxide. Switching from a byproduct that is absolutely essential to plant life (CO2) to one that is truly toxic would make complete green logic though.

  116. Munny says:

    jp: Last but not least, Neal and Chiasson are the only 2 Oilers (I think) to have played in the cup finals. I’d be very surprised if they weren’t in the lineup to start the play-in round.

    Excellent point.

  117. Jethro Tull says:

    geowal: The mill benefits the town sure. Shutdown workers come from a range of areas, including the town, and often stay in town. Even though the mill isn’t in town, nor would a nuke plant have been.
    My bias, for reference (everybody has one) is often against the town. It has an outsized opinion of itself relative to both its size and the surrounding counties. That’s why I’m dismissive of the pork politics that Hunter is not so subtly alluding to, but I remember quite well the way opinion shifted, which was quite related to the original location imo(I don’t think many people change their opinion based on an official’s junkets to Ontario, but maybe.)

    I agree Chris Osgood is the best known player, but I don’t think he really “grew up” here, but not totally sure.

    I work at the pulp mill. So does the mayor of Peace River as the head of the environmental department.

  118. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: How Oilers winger Kailer Yamamoto can increase his value

    https://theathletic.com/1902873/2020/07/02/lowetide-how-oilers-winger-kailer-yamamoto-can-increase-his-value/

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: I can see the appeal of Neal-Khaira-Chiasson. I’m not convinced it will work, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it did.

    IMO those guys are all decently skilled (passing wise). They look ugly doing it but they get it done a lot of times. Haas has more quickness for sure but I haven’t seen much to suggest he’s a better passer or scorer than Neal-Kharia-Chiasson (I know many disagree).

    I do agree the bottom 6 will probably be quite fluid beyond the Sheahan-Archibald pair.

    On Chiasson vs. Haas, they scored similarly at 5v5 on the year. Chiasson was much better after January though (1.21/60 vs 0.57/60). They both had great on ice results (and underlying numbers) on the season, though IIRC Chiasson’s were slightly better. (Acknowledging that Chiasson probably had better linemates on average than Haas)

    I’m pretty sure keys for Tippett and Holland (to start at least) will be role and experience. Khaira is an important penalty killer. Neal and Chiasson split time on PP1 and both had good on ice numbers. But FWIW Chiasson’s were quite a bit better (Neal ~10.0 GFon/60, Chiasson ~13.5 GFon/60 with Nuge).

    Last but not least, Neal and Chiasson are the only 2 Oilers (I think) to have played in the cup finals. I’d be very surprised if they weren’t in the lineup to start the play-in round. That said, I do agree their lineup spots are vulnerable if that line isn’t effective right away.

    Note: Chiasson was scratched for the entire cup finals with the Caps (I think).

    I think coach starts with that “heavy, forechecking, aggressive” fourth line – he’s mentioned it a few times during the pause and 3-0 in goals is a real thing.

    The PP was interesting – Neal scored at better rates than Chiasson but the team scored at better rates with Chiasson than Neal.

    Gulutzan was on Oilers Now (or Gregor, can’t remember) during the pause and there was some great intel in there about the different strategies the team uses with each guy on the ice.

    Nygard and Haas will get their games, I’m sure, but I do think coach starts both the vets as you suggest.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    PREDICKTER:
    I have not seen mention of which hub city gets the final round, but if the oilers win the Cup, McDavid will be hoisting it either in his home rink or his hometown. I wouldn’t bet against a rested and refocused McDavid. Oh, plus that other guy we got. Let’s Go Oilers. 2020 Cup Champions.

    I don’t think they’ve made that determination and I think they will wait for a while to make it. See what the situation is at that time.

    Shit, in October they may be able to get some fans in there – unlikely but you never know.

    In any case, if all things are equal, of course they would go with Toronto and, as biased as I am, totally makes sense.

  121. N64 says:

    PREDICKTER:
    I have not seen mention of which hub city gets the final round, but if the oilers win the Cup, McDavid will be hoisting it either in his home rink or his hometown. I wouldn’t bet against a rested and refocused McDavid. Oh, plus that other guy we got. Let’s Go Oilers. 2020 Cup Champions.

    The NHL is not committed to using either hub. Pair of teams for a single series is far more portable and would not need an NHL arena. Lots of time for a lower Covid option acceptable to the PA to emerge stateside. The reasons they wanted a US hub may still apply for the SCF. Also takes away home hub advantage with one team more settled in.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    We had had quite a bit of chat earlier about the potential for amnesty buyouts for next season.

    Some thought that both the owners and players want them and others thought no way the owners agree to them if they are de-linking the cap from HRR the next few years and artificially increasing it – the players will be “in debt” to the owners over a few years and the owners wouldn’t want, as a group, more money leaving the system.

    McKenzie confirms the RTP/CBA do NOT contain amnesty buyouts – as predicted.

    As an aside, November 1 will be free agency day!

  123. geowal says:

    Jethro Tull: I work at the pulp mill. So does the mayor of Peace River as the head of the environmental department.

    My niece does as well. I’m not exactly sure of what Reja was getting at, but tried to answer the question.

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